If you're all confused. Get the 60M-08 or the 60D-10 (if youw ant more forgiveness), 56 S - 10 ( this is your very generice wedge that has common versatility. If you go down to 52 you probably want a 08 lower grind so you will want it to either be 52 s-08, and if you go all the way down to 46 get the 46F 06 or 46F08
You said it brother. Before this video I was somewhat confused and now I am totally confused. Thanks for the advice. Vokey should hand out the clubs and let you do the talking!
another trick is to put lie angle tape on the bottom of the wedge to see what part of the sole is striking the ground...front, back, or middle. This is determined by your swing/release. If the mark is way in front > add more bounce (because it's digging too much)...if it's at the back of the sole > decrease the bounce (because it could skip/skull on you). Not many fitters use a lie board for this purpose.
All the best golfers seem to be terrible at explaining it. Such a hard game for something so simple! 😂 Tiger, Bryson and Rory seem to be great at asking the right questions though.
Definitely a marketing tool for the manufacturers. Start with the wedge (s) included in the iron set you purchase then when you are proficient with those then tweak your wedge selection. Too many options unless you are a sponsored tour pro.
I know it was your intention to explain all the differences between the wedges, but I found it confusing! You were not specific enough. You would need a score sheet to keep track of loft, bounce and grind etc. because there are so many different combinations!
Can you recommend a new wedge for me? My home course has very tight fairways but *extremely* soft bunker sand. I love my 60.08M (SM9) around the greens, but it is practically worthless from the sand. My next-lofted wedge is a 54.14F (SM4), and I don’t really trust it anywhere-I tend to catch it thin both around the greens and the sand. I want the versatility to open/close the face around the greens, but need bounce to get out of the sand. Would a 56.12D be a good fit? Or a 54.12D *bent to 56*? If not, what else?
3 videos into this host and my opinion is the same…. Can you PLEASE stop talking OVER your guests and let them actually finish a sentence?!? PLEASE?!?!?! The guests are awesome but we are consistently seeing and learning more about the HOST than we are of what the guest has to say. Ugh!!!!
Yes I agree you sound exactly like my dad all my life who absolutely cannot stand when TV anchors presenters Sports broadcasters talk over each other by trying to be louder than the other one or not l etting the other one complete their thought and it's just what he calls JibberJabber
It's utterly obnoxious to the viewer who just wants to hear the guest, and by far most knowledgeable Gentleman on this specific wedge subject, Bob vokey speak a little right?
It's stupid nonsense, a botched attempt at generating some revenue. Seve could get out of bunkers with a found four iron. A skilled golfer could chip from around the green with a driver and get it close. It ain't your clubs! It's you!!
I have a pretty neutral attack, not too steep or shallow on my normal chips and pitches. So I’m thinking of going with a 56 M grind for my pitches and chips and a 60 K grind for bunkers.
Ugh. Let me translate for non scratch golfers. U need two full wedge sets in most places. 1 with lots of bounce and a thin sole for early wet conditions. One with varied bounces to have 1 sw with bounce and thin soleish and 2-3 chipping wedges with a wide sole and no bounce low bounce. Keep the sw for both sets, so really it’s just 5x7 wedges total. Most real pros probably have a full bag “wet conditions set” of clubs.
It’s obvious that this man has made a living from designing wedges for every tour pros’ likes and dislikes. Unless you are a pro with hours and hours of practice most mid to high handicap golfers would never appreciate the subtle differences in grinds. But it’s great for marketing as it exists in all club offerings. If you play only one course then get fitted for that type of conditions OR else buy the hole series offered as well as an additional bag to carry on the course.🙀 It will impress your playing partners until you start swinging them.👍🇨🇦👨🦳🥴
@@richardc6932 This is also true... sort of. You'll be surprised how much difference you get matching the right bounce and sole width to the conditions. Your swing will still be ugly, but shots you hit fat before, will pop up and run. In thin sand bunkers, your club will catch and lift vs bouncing into the back of the ball. This part isn't marketing. Sorry. Though you are correct that most people that play just one course, don't need as much variation (unless you live in the UK or New England, then you do)... Enjoy Arizona, where every lie is heavenly!!!!
i play on a shitty public course alot where the greenside turf is always long, what grind will allow me to get thru the grass without sculling it or chunking it? im about a 12 - 14 HC
No bounce or grind will help a hi handi like you. Just pick up and keep up pace of play or let other groups of better golfers go thru so ur not a further nuisance on the course. Now broom yourself.
A 12-14 HC is better than the avg golfer so I don’t know what the golf snob above is talking about. I think for green side shots you have to decide whether you want to se your wedge like a putter, with the toe down and bump the ball onto the green so it rolls out. You can do this with any iron, most use a 8 or 9 iron. OR, you can use a wedge with a normal no hinge chip, weight fwd. If your green side grass is usually long, get a club with more bounce and loft so it doesn’t dig and pops the ball out. I’d say a 58-60 deg D or K grind with 12-14 deg bounce.
I’m a total beginner and my titliest t300’s 2021’s are arriving tomorrow but my set only goes to pw, can anyone recommend a vokey wedge for my short game and bunker shots , thanks
The best advice would be to get fitted so your gapping is consistent as you transition from PW to your other wedges. T300's PW is 43 degrees which is quite strong for a PW, so I'd steer you to consider getting the 48 degree T300 potentially as well. Bob recommends K grind as the best in the bunker and I personally love the F grind for my other wedges since I like using them for full shots as well as around the green.
Great selection of wedges except for the 50 degree wedge comes in 8 and 12 bounce only. I find 12 too much and 8 can dig sometimes ...10 bounce is the sweet spot! If they offered a 10 bounce 50 degree I would buy it. Callaway always offers 10 bounce through all the wedges...it is the perfect blend of protection and not digging for me. Many of the Callaway pros use 10 bounce 50 or 52. Too bad the titleist wedges have a 10 bounce 46 and 54 and 56 but for some reason decided the 50 shouldn't have it and I doubt they will add it.
@@jakephelps4766 I thought about that but my pw is 45...48 degrees is a bit too close of a gap.Good idea though.... Maybe I can go 49 and 11 bounce so its pretty close.Does that change the face angle like it does with adjustable woods?
@@retired8123 I think you misread. if you bought a 52 degree with 12 degrees of bounce and then bent it to 50 you would still have 5 degrees between the pw and the 50 degree and get your desired 10 degree of bounce 50 degree. Theoretically, yes, bending does influence face angle a touch. It also appears to influence offset a touch, at least imo. Bending clubs stronger opens the face and gives you the appearance of a bit less offset.
I know it was your intention to explain all the differences between the wedges, but I found it a bit confusing! It would have been better to identify the wedge AS YOU WERE HITTING IT so we could keep track! You also seemed a bit confused too. It was a nice effort on your part but Bob tends to over explain. You need a score sheet to keep track of loft, bounce and grind etc. because there are so many different combinations!
Bless Bob Vokey's heart, you can tell he's a better club designer/maker than a teaching instructor!
I have no idea what anyone said.
😂😂😂😂
Exactly
What just happened
Lmao 🤣
Until I saw this comment I thought it was just me!
Forever a legend. Him and roger i swear everything they make is always phenomenal.
I have a 56 M 08 that was given to me. I love it! So much spin around the greens!
What other degree wedges and grind do you use to go with it?
If you're all confused. Get the 60M-08 or the 60D-10 (if youw ant more forgiveness), 56 S - 10 ( this is your very generice wedge that has common versatility. If you go down to 52 you probably want a 08 lower grind so you will want it to either be 52 s-08, and if you go all the way down to 46 get the 46F 06 or 46F08
Or you could just get 54 with a K grind ...it's like a ATV but for golfing ;-)
You said it brother. Before this video I was somewhat confused and now I am totally confused. Thanks for the advice. Vokey should hand out the clubs and let you do the talking!
Hey Brett Taylor. I have a 46 degree ZX7 PW. What degree/grind wedges would you recommend I get ?
Don’t worry just pick some you won’t know the difference, unless your a tour player😂😂
@@BuffaloBarber24 u still looking? sorry I just saw this.
another trick is to put lie angle tape on the bottom of the wedge to see what part of the sole is striking the ground...front, back, or middle. This is determined by your swing/release.
If the mark is way in front > add more bounce (because it's digging too much)...if it's at the back of the sole > decrease the bounce (because it could skip/skull on you).
Not many fitters use a lie board for this purpose.
Bob is a legend, but not the guy to be explaining these grinds lol. Jesus this was confusing.
He speaks wedge
All the best golfers seem to be terrible at explaining it. Such a hard game for something so simple! 😂
Tiger, Bryson and Rory seem to be great at asking the right questions though.
I think it was great information. Thanks.
Dude can hit his wedges. Now go get someone at my crappy level and see what we got 😊
Definitely a marketing tool for the manufacturers. Start with the wedge (s) included in the iron set you purchase then when you are proficient with those then tweak your wedge selection. Too many options unless you are a sponsored tour pro.
I know it was your intention to explain all the differences between the wedges, but I found it confusing! You were not specific enough. You would need a score sheet to keep track of loft, bounce and grind etc. because there are so many different combinations!
Can you recommend a new wedge for me?
My home course has very tight fairways but *extremely* soft bunker sand. I love my 60.08M (SM9) around the greens, but it is practically worthless from the sand. My next-lofted wedge is a 54.14F (SM4), and I don’t really trust it anywhere-I tend to catch it thin both around the greens and the sand.
I want the versatility to open/close the face around the greens, but need bounce to get out of the sand. Would a 56.12D be a good fit? Or a 54.12D *bent to 56*? If not, what else?
3 videos into this host and my opinion is the same…. Can you PLEASE stop talking OVER your guests and let them actually finish a sentence?!? PLEASE?!?!?! The guests are awesome but we are consistently seeing and learning more about the HOST than we are of what the guest has to say. Ugh!!!!
Totally.
Yes I agree you sound exactly like my dad all my life who absolutely cannot stand when TV anchors presenters Sports broadcasters talk over each other by trying to be louder than the other one or not l etting the other one complete their thought and it's just what he calls JibberJabber
It's utterly obnoxious to the viewer who just wants to hear the guest, and by far most knowledgeable Gentleman on this specific wedge subject, Bob vokey speak a little right?
I get what you guys are saying totally but the only thing I see here is the host trying to help people understand what Bob is saying
This is absolutely so annoying. I bet Bob found it annoying also. Shut up and let the expert do the talking
Completely useless video. Here’s 10 different lofts with 10 different grinds and every shot is great. You really helped me narrow it down….
Clear as mud. Even Mr. Vokey cannot clearly explain bounce and grind. Wtf
He couldn't explain it because the other guy in the video kept talking over him.
I think his enthusiasm got in the way of his explanations. He needed another minute or two to settle down and provide more detail.
It's stupid nonsense, a botched attempt at generating some revenue.
Seve could get out of bunkers with a found four iron.
A skilled golfer could chip from around the green with a driver and get it close.
It ain't your clubs!
It's you!!
I have a pretty neutral attack, not too steep or shallow on my normal chips and pitches. So I’m thinking of going with a 56 M grind for my pitches and chips and a 60 K grind for bunkers.
Based on what you said, you are a high handicap golfer and would benefit from higher bounce wedges.
How does he hit every shot so good 😂😂
clear as mud!
Ugh. Let me translate for non scratch golfers.
U need two full wedge sets in most places.
1 with lots of bounce and a thin sole for early wet conditions.
One with varied bounces to have 1 sw with bounce and thin soleish and 2-3 chipping wedges with a wide sole and no bounce low bounce.
Keep the sw for both sets, so really it’s just 5x7 wedges total.
Most real pros probably have a full bag “wet conditions set” of clubs.
It’s obvious that this man has made a living from designing wedges for every tour pros’ likes and dislikes. Unless you are a pro with hours and hours of practice most mid to high handicap golfers would never appreciate the subtle differences in grinds. But it’s great for marketing as it exists in all club offerings. If you play only one course then get fitted for that type of conditions OR else buy the hole series offered as well as an additional bag to carry on the course.🙀 It will impress your playing partners until you start swinging them.👍🇨🇦👨🦳🥴
@@richardc6932 This is also true... sort of. You'll be surprised how much difference you get matching the right bounce and sole width to the conditions.
Your swing will still be ugly, but shots you hit fat before, will pop up and run. In thin sand bunkers, your club will catch and lift vs bouncing into the back of the ball.
This part isn't marketing. Sorry. Though you are correct that most people that play just one course, don't need as much variation (unless you live in the UK or New England, then you do)...
Enjoy Arizona, where every lie is heavenly!!!!
i play on a shitty public course alot where the greenside turf is always long, what grind will allow me to get thru the grass without sculling it or chunking it? im about a 12 - 14 HC
No bounce or grind will help a hi handi like you. Just pick up and keep up pace of play or let other groups of better golfers go thru so ur not a further nuisance on the course. Now broom yourself.
@@scottt5484well don’t you seem like a ray of sunshine
A 12-14 HC is better than the avg golfer so I don’t know what the golf snob above is talking about. I think for green side shots you have to decide whether you want to se your wedge like a putter, with the toe down and bump the ball onto the green so it rolls out. You can do this with any iron, most use a 8 or 9 iron. OR, you can use a wedge with a normal no hinge chip, weight fwd. If your green side grass is usually long, get a club with more bounce and loft so it doesn’t dig and pops the ball out. I’d say a 58-60 deg D or K grind with 12-14 deg bounce.
56 D then they zoom in on a 60 degree D so which club was he hitting it higher with ?
This man is a menace with his divot pattern 😂
I’m a total beginner and my titliest t300’s 2021’s are arriving tomorrow but my set only goes to pw, can anyone recommend a vokey wedge for my short game and bunker shots , thanks
The best advice would be to get fitted so your gapping is consistent as you transition from PW to your other wedges. T300's PW is 43 degrees which is quite strong for a PW, so I'd steer you to consider getting the 48 degree T300 potentially as well. Bob recommends K grind as the best in the bunker and I personally love the F grind for my other wedges since I like using them for full shots as well as around the green.
Why isn’t Bob Vokey running for President? He says everything and nothing simultaneously.
Word salad. Cut to the point of all this: "give me your money... NOW!"
Clear as mud.
Great selection of wedges except for the 50 degree wedge comes in 8 and 12 bounce only. I find 12 too much and 8 can dig sometimes ...10 bounce is the sweet spot!
If they offered a 10 bounce 50 degree I would buy it. Callaway always offers 10 bounce through all the wedges...it is the perfect blend of protection and not digging for me.
Many of the Callaway pros use 10 bounce 50 or 52.
Too bad the titleist wedges have a 10 bounce 46 and 54 and 56 but for some reason decided the 50 shouldn't have it and I doubt they will add it.
Buy a 52 degree 12 bounce and bend it to 50 and you will have 10 degree bounce on that wedge
@@jakephelps4766 I thought about that but my pw is 45...48 degrees is a bit too close of a gap.Good idea though.... Maybe I can go 49 and 11 bounce so its pretty close.Does that change the face angle like it does with adjustable woods?
@@retired8123 I think you misread. if you bought a 52 degree with 12 degrees of bounce and then bent it to 50 you would still have 5 degrees between the pw and the 50 degree and get your desired 10 degree of bounce 50 degree.
Theoretically, yes, bending does influence face angle a touch. It also appears to influence offset a touch, at least imo. Bending clubs stronger opens the face and gives you the appearance of a bit less offset.
Got more confused
I looked away from my phone & thought Goggins was playing golf. I knew something was off when he used the word “fun”
Couldn't understand two words
None of this made sense to me.
I wish they used someone who plays horrible like me and then let's see how great those wedges respond.
Came here for the golf, left because of the disco.
I know it was your intention to explain all the differences between the wedges, but I found it a bit confusing! It would have been better to identify the wedge AS YOU WERE HITTING IT so we could keep track! You also seemed a bit confused too. It was a nice effort on your part but Bob tends to over explain. You need a score sheet to keep track of loft, bounce and grind etc. because there are so many different combinations!
Why is it so complicated. They should narrow it down more
Because they’re made for low handicap players
I am completely in the dark.
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The old man speaks like a politician. Talks a whole lot, but doesn't say a thing.
D= diggers, S=Sand, M=multi,
Why are grinds so complicate. Should simplify selections
It's really not that complicated. Just go get fit
The Differences are there to give the Individual the Best Choices.
Go for a Wedge Fitting.
I’m none the wiser 😂
A disaster of a wedge fitting.
Playing fast and loose with the word 'explains'.
What a disjointed video, interview... come on you can do better.