ISTP are thinkers. They plan. I was like this as a child and now an adult. We like rules actually. We tend to have several task going on at the same time. NO adhd or add here, just strategic. We can actually get two task done at the same time while flip floppin between the two. Because repetition is mundane. We aren't aloof. We know what's going on and the predictability of things. Because as you said we are logical. We aren't impulsive and think things through. ARE we BRAVE. Absolutely. We arent going to sit around and write a book and study psychology because we figure out the real world. Let your children be themselves. People judge children way too harshly. They are developing their skills. NOT what you think they "should be." ISTP are surgeons, engineers, mechanics.... they like to figure things out. Let them figure it out; its their strongest function. 🌼 Im almost taken back by your rebellion comment. My parents like most disciplined yet they didn't make me fit in a mold. If your an ENFJ you definitely bump heads with your daughter. ISTP have stronger thinking. You "may" view this as a temperament problem, its not.
Yes, your driving preference is judging, and thinking. ISTP's as a rule will stand up for their convictions, regardless of what other's think...that is what I mean by not following the rules. ISTP's care more about THEIR convictions, value systems and beliefs (introverted thinking), than they do about what others think. Self contained is how I would describe ISTP's and empathy doesn't come naturally since it is an ISTP's infant function. Everyone is different and raised by different parenting styles that influence the overall type. ISTP's are especially complicated because you are like 3 different types. You are a dominant thinker so you look like an NT, your dominant function is a judging function, so you can look like an SJ (rule follower as you said, but it' all tied up in this brave, free, self expressive package...SP. It is one of the hardest types to "type" because of these reasons..so you must be very self-aware to have scored as an ISTP.
Are you taken aback by the rebellion comment because you were a rule follower? From what I have seen in my practice, if an ISTP or any SP is not given freedom to discover their identity, they will at some point break away (rebel) to find it. I hope I made it clear in this video that I ADMIRE my daughter's thinking function and tell her all the time it's my inferior function. Just the other day I was being my Fe passive aggressive self. Trying to please on the outside, even though I wasn't happy, then acting unhappy even though I agreed. My daughter on the other hand simply disagreed i a polite manner. She says what she means which is a great quality!
Im also HSP and empathic. As a child I had social anxiety and was a people pleaser, usually “teacher’s pet.” I followed the rules because I didn’t want to get into trouble. I had difficulty making female friends because I found most of them boring, I usually played sports with the boys during recess. I was often lonely and became chronically depressed. I knew I was different and I thought I was defective, I hated myself for a very long time. I’ve always thought things through, but can act impulsively (in the future) after I’ve thought about consequences. I am very brave. I had a very bad temper as a child. And still am emotional as an adult, but I keep my cool in public, I usually save my emotional outbursts for a more convenient time. I’m easily annoyed with people. I value fairness, freedom, and truth. My mother is an INFJ and did not give me the freedom I needed to develop properly. I ran to my ENFJ subconscious and developed my inferior function Fe (it took several years of studying psychology, practicing social skills, and on the job training). Now in my late 30’s I’ve finally transitioned back into my ISTP Ego and have gained a better understanding of the 4 sides of my mind and why I am the way that I am.
Wow Genesis! Thanks for taking the time to share all of this! SInce your brain is wired for systems, I can totally see why you would resonate with temperament psychology as a way to understand yourself and others. I already shared your response with an ISTP adolescent I have been working with because I think it will validate the way she is feeling and help her to know she is not alone. ISTPs feel very confident in their own skin and love being independent, but then can get depressed when they want to share their grand ideas and no one is there for support. It is important for them to build their support system and nurture it, even though they are far more comfortable being alone. An ISTP's identity matters greatly to them, but they get extremely uncomfortable putting that identity out into the world. I would love to hear more details about how you tapped into your ENFJ subconscious...I am ENFJ and often ISTP's end up with ENFJs.
Thank you for your reply. Before running to my ENFJ subconscious, I was in my ESTJ unconscious, trying to be punctual and rigid, I decided it was too stressful to worry about such things and besides other people were often not on time either, so screw it. You mentioned validation. In 10th grade I learned in Health class about depression and that is when I was able to name what was going on with me. When I told my mother, she freaked out and threatened to talk to my teacher about it (which would have been humiliating). So I began hiding it. Of course, it got worse. 11th grade is when I started working on developing my inferior Fe. I observed how other’s interacted socially and mimicked them. I had a ten year relationship/marriage with an INTJ, he took care of me in all ways. I was very insecure at the time and when he deployed (military), it was so painful because he was my world, we spent all our free time together, so when he left, my whole world left with him. In the end, I ended up having an emotional affair which lead to a physical affair. I felt trapped in the marriage and I could not grow in that relationship. I told him what I did, he wanted to work on the marriage, but I didn’t love him anymore and left. I soon found out just how awful people can be. I’ve dated numerous manipulative/abusive types. Pretty sure I’ve “trauma bonded” with a few of them. My first “narcissist” set into motion my journey of personal growth. Because of him, I learned how to love myself and several other lessons, but that was the most important one. I think that experience also strengthened my empathy and made me wise... although, setting boundaries still remains a huge struggle for me, I think it always will be. I think that I ran to my ENFJ subconscious because I couldn’t cope in my Ego or unconscious. I had to decide whether I want to go full Super Ego Demon mode or to continue trying to be a good person. I chose goodness. After earning a BA degree in psych, I worked for ten years as a “child care worker” with foster teens. I also experienced my first panic attack my first week on the job, fortunately I was alone at the time. NFJs are an acceptable way for a female to be. So, I worked on being that. All the social skills and conflict resolution skills I learned on the job have helped me to increase my emotional intelligence. I think that I successfully turned my Inferior Fe into an “aspirational” function. I thought I was an INFJ for the last 18 months. I relate to that type very much. But, after a personal coaching session with CSJ, he helped me see that I’m actually an ISTP with an ENFJ focus. My goal is self actualization. I’ve been practicing using each side of my mind to my advantage, through the “gateways.” I’m not sure if I answered your question. Oh, I’m also an enneagram 4w5. That may add more insight as well. I’m both a thinker and a feeler. I feel deeply, intensely, and a wide range. I now work as a hospice nurse (2.5 years), and I train jiu jitsu, both have helped me grow. I used to hate when people touch me, or having to touch other people. I still get panic attacks, but I don’t let it stop me. I fight through it. That’s another thing I did since I was a kid, I faced my fears until they got smaller. I’m glad your ISTP client has you to help guide her/him. Hopefully she can understand and learn quicker than I did and skip a lot of the pain.
as istp i like to chip in . 1. i am not spider man , and neither peter park . i am batman , both spider man and peter are a wussy . 2. i do have some flavor '' peter pan '' . 3. i dont care about who wins or losses . but no game is fun if any lets the other win . if i would win because the other goes easy it aint no win , same goes the other way around . plus i like for my own humor just to mess whit people . and winning is never done because of winning , their is always an objective , always a goal outside of the concept of winning . and i never was botherd by a loss , as i considert loss as a teacher , or if i manage to set it up as such befor hand in secrete , still a win . 4. sport is fun and cool , and i can be fun and cool whit others , we can learn from each other , and pull or own jokes and cool moves on each other . and even if we dont learn from others , we learn from the activities itself as we emerge ourselfs in it and learn new tings about or self and great number of other things . also it shows us self and other participants how hard we might or might not have traint , the meaning of such to ourselfs and others , we develop social bands , and try to push each other to go further and become better . the silly concept of '' wining or losing '' is only for true and real losers , not for an istp who has risen above such frifolance concepts . we can be considert more as a '' general trawn '' in this concept . 5. it aint act befor we think , its acting on already known data , quik observation , guts , instinct and experience . we already know the outcome befor it happend . and we know automatically what to do . and we act and succeed where others fail . 6. i have no hard time whit rules and authority , as long as they make sense are fair , are justify , and serve the purpose of general good and have earnt it to the best of its ruling ability . if not the rule is invalid , and does not exist . yes we are logic and rational , but no not black and white . you want that you should have made a video about '' vulcans '' as istp we are more like '' cardessians '' participle more like a certain cardessian tailor . and yes we are the ones running towards are burning building while the rest runs away , but it aint leap befor you look . we already know . i explain it befor at point 5. parenting style ??? oh plz ... its simple '' leave the kid the fuck alone , dont bother him/her '' if he/she wants someting , she/he will be the first to mention . if not , let it be , let it be , turn around and walk away !!!!! if not , you be the next dead body buried in the woods !!!!!
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ISTP are thinkers. They plan. I was like this as a child and now an adult. We like rules actually.
We tend to have several task going on at the same time. NO adhd or add here, just strategic. We can actually get two task done at the same time while flip floppin between the two. Because repetition is mundane. We aren't aloof. We know what's going on and the predictability of things. Because as you said we are logical. We aren't impulsive and think things through. ARE we BRAVE. Absolutely. We arent going to sit around and write a book and study psychology because we figure out the real world.
Let your children be themselves. People judge children way too harshly. They are developing their skills. NOT what you think they "should be." ISTP are surgeons, engineers, mechanics.... they like to figure things out. Let them figure it out; its their strongest function. 🌼
Im almost taken back by your rebellion comment. My parents like most disciplined yet they didn't make me fit in a mold.
If your an ENFJ you definitely bump heads with your daughter. ISTP have stronger thinking. You "may" view this as a temperament problem, its not.
Yes, your driving preference is judging, and thinking. ISTP's as a rule will stand up for their convictions, regardless of what other's think...that is what I mean by not following the rules. ISTP's care more about THEIR convictions, value systems and beliefs (introverted thinking), than they do about what others think. Self contained is how I would describe ISTP's and empathy doesn't come naturally since it is an ISTP's infant function. Everyone is different and raised by different parenting styles that influence the overall type. ISTP's are especially complicated because you are like 3 different types. You are a dominant thinker so you look like an NT, your dominant function is a judging function, so you can look like an SJ (rule follower as you said, but it' all tied up in this brave, free, self expressive package...SP. It is one of the hardest types to "type" because of these reasons..so you must be very self-aware to have scored as an ISTP.
Are you taken aback by the rebellion comment because you were a rule follower? From what I have seen in my practice, if an ISTP or any SP is not given freedom to discover their identity, they will at some point break away (rebel) to find it. I hope I made it clear in this video that I ADMIRE my daughter's thinking function and tell her all the time it's my inferior function. Just the other day I was being my Fe passive aggressive self. Trying to please on the outside, even though I wasn't happy, then acting unhappy even though I agreed. My daughter on the other hand simply disagreed i a polite manner. She says what she means which is a great quality!
Im also HSP and empathic. As a child I had social anxiety and was a people pleaser, usually “teacher’s pet.” I followed the rules because I didn’t want to get into trouble. I had difficulty making female friends because I found most of them boring, I usually played sports with the boys during recess. I was often lonely and became chronically depressed. I knew I was different and I thought I was defective, I hated myself for a very long time. I’ve always thought things through, but can act impulsively (in the future) after I’ve thought about consequences. I am very brave. I had a very bad temper as a child. And still am emotional as an adult, but I keep my cool in public, I usually save my emotional outbursts for a more convenient time. I’m easily annoyed with people. I value fairness, freedom, and truth. My mother is an INFJ and did not give me the freedom I needed to develop properly. I ran to my ENFJ subconscious and developed my inferior function Fe (it took several years of studying psychology, practicing social skills, and on the job training). Now in my late 30’s I’ve finally transitioned back into my ISTP Ego and have gained a better understanding of the 4 sides of my mind and why I am the way that I am.
Wow Genesis! Thanks for taking the time to share all of this! SInce your brain is wired for systems, I can totally see why you would resonate with temperament psychology as a way to understand yourself and others. I already shared your response with an ISTP adolescent I have been working with because I think it will validate the way she is feeling and help her to know she is not alone. ISTPs feel very confident in their own skin and love being independent, but then can get depressed when they want to share their grand ideas and no one is there for support. It is important for them to build their support system and nurture it, even though they are far more comfortable being alone. An ISTP's identity matters greatly to them, but they get extremely uncomfortable putting that identity out into the world. I would love to hear more details about how you tapped into your ENFJ subconscious...I am ENFJ and often ISTP's end up with ENFJs.
Thank you for your reply. Before running to my ENFJ subconscious, I was in my ESTJ unconscious, trying to be punctual and rigid, I decided it was too stressful to worry about such things and besides other people were often not on time either, so screw it.
You mentioned validation. In 10th grade I learned in Health class about depression and that is when I was able to name what was going on with me. When I told my mother, she freaked out and threatened to talk to my teacher about it (which would have been humiliating). So I began hiding it. Of course, it got worse.
11th grade is when I started working on developing my inferior Fe. I observed how other’s interacted socially and mimicked them. I had a ten year relationship/marriage with an INTJ, he took care of me in all ways. I was very insecure at the time and when he deployed (military), it was so painful because he was my world, we spent all our free time together, so when he left, my whole world left with him. In the end, I ended up having an emotional affair which lead to a physical affair. I felt trapped in the marriage and I could not grow in that relationship. I told him what I did, he wanted to work on the marriage, but I didn’t love him anymore and left.
I soon found out just how awful people can be. I’ve dated numerous manipulative/abusive types. Pretty sure I’ve “trauma bonded” with a few of them. My first “narcissist” set into motion my journey of personal growth. Because of him, I learned how to love myself and several other lessons, but that was the most important one. I think that experience also strengthened my empathy and made me wise... although, setting boundaries still remains a huge struggle for me, I think it always will be.
I think that I ran to my ENFJ subconscious because I couldn’t cope in my Ego or unconscious. I had to decide whether I want to go full Super Ego Demon mode or to continue trying to be a good person. I chose goodness. After earning a BA degree in psych, I worked for ten years as a “child care worker” with foster teens. I also experienced my first panic attack my first week on the job, fortunately I was alone at the time. NFJs are an acceptable way for a female to be. So, I worked on being that. All the social skills and conflict resolution skills I learned on the job have helped me to increase my emotional intelligence. I think that I successfully turned my Inferior Fe into an “aspirational” function. I thought I was an INFJ for the last 18 months. I relate to that type very much. But, after a personal coaching session with CSJ, he helped me see that I’m actually an ISTP with an ENFJ focus.
My goal is self actualization. I’ve been practicing using each side of my mind to my advantage, through the “gateways.” I’m not sure if I answered your question. Oh, I’m also an enneagram 4w5. That may add more insight as well. I’m both a thinker and a feeler. I feel deeply, intensely, and a wide range.
I now work as a hospice nurse (2.5 years), and I train jiu jitsu, both have helped me grow. I used to hate when people touch me, or having to touch other people. I still get panic attacks, but I don’t let it stop me. I fight through it. That’s another thing I did since I was a kid, I faced my fears until they got smaller.
I’m glad your ISTP client has you to help guide her/him. Hopefully she can understand and learn quicker than I did and skip a lot of the pain.
as istp i like to chip in . 1. i am not spider man , and neither peter park . i am batman , both spider man and peter are a wussy . 2. i do have some flavor '' peter pan '' . 3. i dont care about who wins or losses . but no game is fun if any lets the other win . if i would win because the other goes easy it aint no win , same goes the other way around . plus i like for my own humor just to mess whit people . and winning is never done because of winning , their is always an objective , always a goal outside of the concept of winning . and i never was botherd by a loss , as i considert loss as a teacher , or if i manage to set it up as such befor hand in secrete , still a win . 4. sport is fun and cool , and i can be fun and cool whit others , we can learn from each other , and pull or own jokes and cool moves on each other . and even if we dont learn from others , we learn from the activities itself as we emerge ourselfs in it and learn new tings about or self and great number of other things . also it shows us self and other participants how hard we might or might not have traint , the meaning of such to ourselfs and others , we develop social bands , and try to push each other to go further and become better . the silly concept of '' wining or losing '' is only for true and real losers , not for an istp who has risen above such frifolance concepts . we can be considert more as a '' general trawn '' in this concept . 5. it aint act befor we think , its acting on already known data , quik observation , guts , instinct and experience . we already know the outcome befor it happend . and we know automatically what to do . and we act and succeed where others fail . 6. i have no hard time whit rules and authority , as long as they make sense are fair , are justify , and serve the purpose of general good and have earnt it to the best of its ruling ability . if not the rule is invalid , and does not exist . yes we are logic and rational , but no not black and white . you want that you should have made a video about '' vulcans '' as istp we are more like '' cardessians '' participle more like a certain cardessian tailor . and yes we are the ones running towards are burning building while the rest runs away , but it aint leap befor you look . we already know . i explain it befor at point 5.
parenting style ??? oh plz ... its simple '' leave the kid the fuck alone , dont bother him/her '' if he/she wants someting , she/he will be the first to mention . if not , let it be , let it be , turn around and walk away !!!!! if not , you be the next dead body buried in the woods !!!!!