There's a lot of problems with them. The problem is they will not have any competitive viability outside of veidos himself as a potential ht. That's what people mean when they say these suck. There's a lot of issues with not being able to get back the traps, the quick play being awful, and spearhead being awful.
because they aren't getting paid to say they're decent. jokes aside it's because most of the "pro" players won't pick up something new. TCG players are lazy. We try so hard to define our meta solely off of the OCG instead of trying to be original. It's why I like players like Joshua Schmidt who tends to bring some originality to the meta.
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 It's 100% true. The TCG constantly defines it meta off of the OCG. Few innovations are ever made and when they are it's because of the banlist and not players choosing to be original. They see a deck that is already winning and everything else gets ignored. If you can't see that, I'd suggest paying more attention to the competitive scene.
@@BloodsCaressI don’t know man, Ocg and Tcg are so fundamentally different in terms of the banlist that comparison shouldn’t be made to begin with. Stuffs like runick spright, Naturia runick, Prank-kid adventurer DPE, Casino Tear-lament, Infernoble Mikanko are all TCG unique deck.
Prior to LEDE, I was running Ashened with Volcanics and Kaijus. Kaijus offer the deck spot removal to deal with things like Baronne and to have reliable removal for Veidos, should Hero not be present. Kaijus can also be reclaimed by Ashened for Eternity. Volcanics also have their own options to pop Veidos pretty easily. I also wasn't running any hand traps, instead leaning towards board breakers (the only hand trap was Veidos lol). I did this to get significant value from removal and keep things simple. I love Infernal Flame Banshee in Ashened, being a rank 4 pyro lets it still be quite useful, prior to LEDE I'd use it from Priestess search King and King play Priestess from deck (I'd use Banshee to pitch Volcanic Emperor) With LEDE, Banshee is even more accessible for Ashened with the number of level 4s available. Shaman also frees up more Ashened cards to be banished for Volcanic Emperor and even play under Shifter. The Bombardment Phoenix fusion monster is still quite usable if you pack some Jizukiru Kaijus (the 3300 atk machine Kaiju). With Snake Eye decks leaning towards hand looping players, I'll probably move away from board breakers for hand traps to avoid this problem, though I'm not sure how good they'd be.
Been trying out this build just trying combos by myself, and though i doubt this deck will be huge with snake eye, fire king etc running around it's easily in my top 3 favourites at the moment both as a dark souls fan and someone who likes unique decks be interesting to see what the new support brings
There are some 3 card lines where you don't get access to fusion veidos but you do get access to princess and earlie alongside the hero pop on veidos. It sequences quite well if you're able to lead with princess since you can make earlie point to hero. I'm not sure whether its better to dump everything into big veidos or have more layered distuption to set up fusions on turn 3
Have you guys considered a Crystal Beast Package with Foolish Burial Goods? FBG is basically another version of Awakening Of Veidos for the deck that also leaves a Banshee on field and an Ultimate Crystal monster on hand that can be used for discard for things like Superpoly or Droplet. Includes the following: -3 Foolish Burial Goods -1 Rainbow Bridge Of Salvation -1 Sappire Pegasus -1 Crystal Beast Rainbow Dragon -1 Level 4 Crystal Beast -1 Ultimate Crystal (Rainbow Dragon or Dark Rainbow Dragon) How it works: -Active FBG, send Bridge of salvation. -Banish Salvation, add Obsidium and Sappire Pegasus -Normal Pegasus, place Crystal Beast Rainbow Dragon in S&T zone. -Banish CB Rainbow Dragon from S&T, Special Summin Level 4 Crystal Beast from Deck and add the Ultimate Crystal. -Xyz into Banshee, detach to add Veidos. It is at the cost of a Normal Summon, but this deck rarely does it, and it doesnt lock you into Pyros, so you might potentially do some other plays with cards in hand before comitting to the Veidos combo. I hope this helps out.
2 notes on the first combo. You were talking about adding spearhead off extinguishing and it cannot, it can send spearhead but it can only add veidos king or hero at this point because it has to add a lvl 5 or higher. Also the other fusion (emebrs) will be destroyed by veidos effect if you choose to activate it, it's not a big deal but tis worth mentioning since you seemed to imply that it would stick around. Nice job getting these combos out fast super excited to see more from this deck
an additional note, Fusion Veidos can send any ashened card, so what your supposed to send to the grave there is the trap card, or the field spell if you have it. You still get the pop either way though.
Nice video iwith effective combos! I'm personally trying a small kashtira engine and it pairs so well: 3 fenrir, a field spell (so good for set rotation and terraforming) and a riseheart so you can easily go for banshee and combo in to promethean/amblowhale
So Im curious but why wouldnt the spell that make the enemy monsters pyros on your turn not work to boost the new fusion vaidos as you superpoly (effectively)
Of course u can use super poly on your turn to fuse your opponents whole board to summon it, but it only gains attack if it is summoned through the effect of ashened in endlessness
@@pumpcards I meant ashend in endlessness becuase doesnt it have a graveyard effect that turns your enemies to pyros, could you not use it+said superpoly? Pardon if this is basically just a repeat of my original question.
@@funbro99 yeah of course but there is no reliable way to get it in the graveyard… except for the fusion Veidos itself, so it is only really useful in turn 3
Could be reading it wrong but to me the Veidos Fusion says 2+ lvl9 or lower. The key point being the +. So surely with Ashened to Endlessness activated you can use every single monster on the table lvl9 or lower (assuming all will be Pyro at this stage) and give the Veidos fusion an insane attack bonus?? Nobody else is talking about this so it makes me think I've read it wrong?
You are right, the problem is, there is no way to make the opponents monster pyro in his turn. So you would need a set ashened to endlessness in your graveyard and one on the field and there is no good way to make it consistently. Also the field spell making them pyro on your turn doesn’t help either
Sounds good but the problem with it is that it doesnt do anything on its own, chicken game at least gives you a draw. Maybe with set rotation you can just play chicken game and the new field spell as a 1-of in your deck :)
Feel like it's better to run 3 shifter over vailer and bump the number of rekindling of ashened I have a day of testing in n it's actually vary good couse u don't care about shifter , and it says card not monster like shaman so u can recover the eternity and trap fusion card if it gets cycloned or else , also wouldn't be the forest idea in the world u find space for 3 nibs , teraforming is not good couse droll is still a thing then u don't get priestess search n it's-1 kinda, and also , obsidim says destroyed or banished so if u used shifter and u activate obsidim over face up obsidim , obsidim will be banished n u will get special summon , just some thing I noticed after a day of testing
Probably archetypes that do have to special summon much before getting out their boss monster and archetypes that suffer against destruction. Also this counters archetypes that rely on their field spell like mannadium. It could be good against tearlaments if they use Perlereino. It is pretty good against marincess, floowandereeze, abc, Kashtira etc
Yeah good list. But try the melodious engine with it. Where you go to your 2 pendulum links to get banshee and apollousa and get through your ostinato field spell and veidos. And then your normal combo. Its pretty good. And i would play king on 2 or 3 and embers on 3. So you have enough follow up. On your turn one king and then on enemys turn on king. And maybe you got a third for your turn then. I guess it would work well. But i need to buy it, what i will defenetly do, and then try it. But pure this deck list looks solid. I hope it get one or two good cards ro make this deck sometving like tier 1. But it should be pretty good at the moment. And the best thing is it is kinda good against snake eyes and no one would tvink of you playing it😂
wouldn't make Summon-Breaker more sense as a field-Spell to give the enemy with Set-Rotation? Also I would't play terraforming since we already have 9 ways to get the field-spell out. Would actually consider playing a TTT. Also if you are going second, Set-rotation might be useless, change it out for more going-second board-breakers Anyway, how you wanna summon Garunix?
Yeah sounds fine, but how do we have 9 ways. I mean of course we got the field spell itself, priestess and awakening, but most of the time I want to already have the field spell when I got priestess in my hand, so it’s more like 6-ish ways
@@pumpcards We have 3 Field-Spells, 3x Prizess, 3x Awakening and 1-2 x fusion. If you are not able to get the Field-Spell on the field. This is just unlucky and I would actually run 1 called. Also You can add Lair-of-Darkness to have Pyro-Monster beeing dark-Monster and counter Snake-eye with Super-poly + Link-Fire.
I didn't even consider that but your opponent could actually if they wanted to for some reason side deck the veidos fusion if they are running super poly in the event they go up against ashened. That would hurt
I would like these cards if it weren’t for the fusions… it feels like they made this to kinda give snake-eyes another hindrance with one, but they also buffed it with the other. Still excited to see what players come up with! 🙏
To assume the two veidos on opp board would not immediately be linked off on combo 1… in addition, your other Ashened fusion is destroyed if you board wipe
Yeah as I said, it can’t compete against top meta decks and will end up probably around tier 3. Still I think especially going second could be a good option for this deck because if you draw super polymerization, you can pretty much out every board
@@pumpcards yeah but harddrawing superpoly is a out in every deck. i mean tenpai is comin in the same set and well this deck plays going second outta hell! no comparison to going second ashened
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finally a yugi tuber that has the sane take of 'these cards are okay' not perfect, but they are not shit like so many others have been saying.
There's a lot of problems with them. The problem is they will not have any competitive viability outside of veidos himself as a potential ht. That's what people mean when they say these suck. There's a lot of issues with not being able to get back the traps, the quick play being awful, and spearhead being awful.
because they aren't getting paid to say they're decent. jokes aside it's because most of the "pro" players won't pick up something new. TCG players are lazy. We try so hard to define our meta solely off of the OCG instead of trying to be original. It's why I like players like Joshua Schmidt who tends to bring some originality to the meta.
@@BloodsCaress this isn't really true, tcg innovates way more on stuff the ocg doesn't do. It's just pretty obvious ashened sux
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 It's 100% true. The TCG constantly defines it meta off of the OCG. Few innovations are ever made and when they are it's because of the banlist and not players choosing to be original. They see a deck that is already winning and everything else gets ignored. If you can't see that, I'd suggest paying more attention to the competitive scene.
@@BloodsCaressI don’t know man, Ocg and Tcg are so fundamentally different in terms of the banlist that comparison shouldn’t be made to begin with. Stuffs like runick spright, Naturia runick, Prank-kid adventurer DPE, Casino Tear-lament, Infernoble Mikanko are all TCG unique deck.
Prior to LEDE, I was running Ashened with Volcanics and Kaijus. Kaijus offer the deck spot removal to deal with things like Baronne and to have reliable removal for Veidos, should Hero not be present. Kaijus can also be reclaimed by Ashened for Eternity. Volcanics also have their own options to pop Veidos pretty easily. I also wasn't running any hand traps, instead leaning towards board breakers (the only hand trap was Veidos lol). I did this to get significant value from removal and keep things simple.
I love Infernal Flame Banshee in Ashened, being a rank 4 pyro lets it still be quite useful, prior to LEDE I'd use it from Priestess search King and King play Priestess from deck (I'd use Banshee to pitch Volcanic Emperor) With LEDE, Banshee is even more accessible for Ashened with the number of level 4s available. Shaman also frees up more Ashened cards to be banished for Volcanic Emperor and even play under Shifter.
The Bombardment Phoenix fusion monster is still quite usable if you pack some Jizukiru Kaijus (the 3300 atk machine Kaiju).
With Snake Eye decks leaning towards hand looping players, I'll probably move away from board breakers for hand traps to avoid this problem, though I'm not sure how good they'd be.
Veidos destroys all monsters on the field so embers gets destroyed as well.
Only the player whose field it left.
@@jwj6188 no, veidos is a dark hole. For that reason his fusion has the non destruction effect
@@jwj6188incorrect
Been trying out this build just trying combos by myself, and though i doubt this deck will be huge with snake eye, fire king etc running around it's easily in my top 3 favourites at the moment both as a dark souls fan and someone who likes unique decks be interesting to see what the new support brings
There are some 3 card lines where you don't get access to fusion veidos but you do get access to princess and earlie alongside the hero pop on veidos. It sequences quite well if you're able to lead with princess since you can make earlie point to hero. I'm not sure whether its better to dump everything into big veidos or have more layered distuption to set up fusions on turn 3
Have you guys considered a Crystal Beast Package with Foolish Burial Goods? FBG is basically another version of Awakening Of Veidos for the deck that also leaves a Banshee on field and an Ultimate Crystal monster on hand that can be used for discard for things like Superpoly or Droplet. Includes the following:
-3 Foolish Burial Goods
-1 Rainbow Bridge Of Salvation
-1 Sappire Pegasus
-1 Crystal Beast Rainbow Dragon
-1 Level 4 Crystal Beast
-1 Ultimate Crystal (Rainbow Dragon or Dark Rainbow Dragon)
How it works:
-Active FBG, send Bridge of salvation.
-Banish Salvation, add Obsidium and Sappire Pegasus
-Normal Pegasus, place Crystal Beast Rainbow Dragon in S&T zone.
-Banish CB Rainbow Dragon from S&T, Special Summin Level 4 Crystal Beast from Deck and add the Ultimate Crystal.
-Xyz into Banshee, detach to add Veidos.
It is at the cost of a Normal Summon, but this deck rarely does it, and it doesnt lock you into Pyros, so you might potentially do some other plays with cards in hand before comitting to the Veidos combo. I hope this helps out.
That sounds super strong! I have to try this
Finally someone who isn’t shitting on the archetype. It’s cracked when using it correctly
2 notes on the first combo. You were talking about adding spearhead off extinguishing and it cannot, it can send spearhead but it can only add veidos king or hero at this point because it has to add a lvl 5 or higher. Also the other fusion (emebrs) will be destroyed by veidos effect if you choose to activate it, it's not a big deal but tis worth mentioning since you seemed to imply that it would stick around. Nice job getting these combos out fast super excited to see more from this deck
an additional note, Fusion Veidos can send any ashened card, so what your supposed to send to the grave there is the trap card, or the field spell if you have it. You still get the pop either way though.
@@hyperlink6547The field doesn't activate effect off Veidos as it sends, not destroys nor banishes
@@cold_slayer fair. It’s def not ideal to send the field spell, but it’s still a backup if necessary
Nice video iwith effective combos! I'm personally trying a small kashtira engine and it pairs so well: 3 fenrir, a field spell (so good for set rotation and terraforming) and a riseheart so you can easily go for banshee and combo in to promethean/amblowhale
You could side jizukiru or thunder king kaijus as the machine material to go into blaze fenix or volcannon
So Im curious but why wouldnt the spell that make the enemy monsters pyros on your turn not work to boost the new fusion vaidos as you superpoly (effectively)
Of course u can use super poly on your turn to fuse your opponents whole board to summon it, but it only gains attack if it is summoned through the effect of ashened in endlessness
@@pumpcards I meant ashend in endlessness becuase doesnt it have a graveyard effect that turns your enemies to pyros, could you not use it+said superpoly?
Pardon if this is basically just a repeat of my original question.
@@funbro99 yeah of course but there is no reliable way to get it in the graveyard… except for the fusion Veidos itself, so it is only really useful in turn 3
@@pumpcards what if you chuck foolish burial variant to atleast get some semi consistency if pardon the pun, foolish move.
Could be reading it wrong but to me the Veidos Fusion says 2+ lvl9 or lower. The key point being the +. So surely with Ashened to Endlessness activated you can use every single monster on the table lvl9 or lower (assuming all will be Pyro at this stage) and give the Veidos fusion an insane attack bonus?? Nobody else is talking about this so it makes me think I've read it wrong?
You are right, the problem is, there is no way to make the opponents monster pyro in his turn. So you would need a set ashened to endlessness in your graveyard and one on the field and there is no good way to make it consistently. Also the field spell making them pyro on your turn doesn’t help either
Not to mention super poly and the field spell gives you board breaking abilities on your turn without committing to the board
thanks for the combo guide I enjoyed it! here's hoping for a 3rd wave soonish
Yeah me too, this archetype looks way too cool for it to stay a tier 3 deck
ocg imports those then they'll support it, so it'll be around end of year or same...
This looks like hot garbage😂
Why are you here@@UBUB101
@@mskiarma2u1 because i wanted to look at if i somehow misjudged these cards turns out i didnt
There's a new field spell called Multi-Universe in LEDE. I'd look into replacing Chicken Game with it.
Sounds good but the problem with it is that it doesnt do anything on its own, chicken game at least gives you a draw. Maybe with set rotation you can just play chicken game and the new field spell as a 1-of in your deck :)
Feel like it's better to run 3 shifter over vailer and bump the number of rekindling of ashened I have a day of testing in n it's actually vary good couse u don't care about shifter , and it says card not monster like shaman so u can recover the eternity and trap fusion card if it gets cycloned or else , also wouldn't be the forest idea in the world u find space for 3 nibs , teraforming is not good couse droll is still a thing then u don't get priestess search n it's-1 kinda, and also , obsidim says destroyed or banished so if u used shifter and u activate obsidim over face up obsidim , obsidim will be banished n u will get special summon , just some thing I noticed after a day of testing
Trying that out definitely, thanks for the tips 👍🏻
Thanks man. Which archetypes will this deck be best against? My brother plays tearlament and sky striker so wondering how it would do against it.
Probably archetypes that do have to special summon much before getting out their boss monster and archetypes that suffer against destruction. Also this counters archetypes that rely on their field spell like mannadium. It could be good against tearlaments if they use Perlereino. It is pretty good against marincess, floowandereeze, abc, Kashtira etc
It'll be lovely against striker since if you give them Veidos, a lot of their deck needs their main monster zones to be clear
Yeah good list. But try the melodious engine with it. Where you go to your 2 pendulum links to get banshee and apollousa and get through your ostinato field spell and veidos. And then your normal combo. Its pretty good. And i would play king on 2 or 3 and embers on 3. So you have enough follow up. On your turn one king and then on enemys turn on king. And maybe you got a third for your turn then. I guess it would work well. But i need to buy it, what i will defenetly do, and then try it. But pure this deck list looks solid. I hope it get one or two good cards ro make this deck sometving like tier 1. But it should be pretty good at the moment. And the best thing is it is kinda good against snake eyes and no one would tvink of you playing it😂
Great video👍🏻
wouldn't make Summon-Breaker more sense as a field-Spell to give the enemy with Set-Rotation?
Also I would't play terraforming since we already have 9 ways to get the field-spell out. Would actually consider playing a TTT.
Also if you are going second, Set-rotation might be useless, change it out for more going-second board-breakers
Anyway, how you wanna summon Garunix?
Yeah sounds fine, but how do we have 9 ways. I mean of course we got the field spell itself, priestess and awakening, but most of the time I want to already have the field spell when I got priestess in my hand, so it’s more like 6-ish ways
You can make garunix with embers and king
You would have to give summon breaker to you and just activate it after you made your combo, that’s pretty much the only application I can see
@@pumpcards We have 3 Field-Spells, 3x Prizess, 3x Awakening and 1-2 x fusion. If you are not able to get the Field-Spell on the field. This is just unlucky and I would actually run 1 called. Also You can add Lair-of-Darkness to have Pyro-Monster beeing dark-Monster and counter Snake-eye with Super-poly + Link-Fire.
Sure the deck is not crazy but I think If you pilot the deck correctly you can do well use hand traps and aim to control the pace of the game
Nice man! Very Early!
I didn't even consider that but your opponent could actually if they wanted to for some reason side deck the veidos fusion if they are running super poly in the event they go up against ashened. That would hurt
Thank God it's not the same as that one cyber dragon contact fusion monster lol.
I would like these cards if it weren’t for the fusions… it feels like they made this to kinda give snake-eyes another hindrance with one, but they also buffed it with the other. Still excited to see what players come up with! 🙏
I think the new gaia fusion and syncho have potential with agnimal candle in this deck
Ashened looks really good, these combos looking really stronk 😮
To assume the two veidos on opp board would not immediately be linked off on combo 1… in addition, your other Ashened fusion is destroyed if you board wipe
Yeah I didn’t have that on my radar so you would actually have to search a monster with priestess so the effect is live. Thanks :)
You could also just tribute the fusion trap for the effect of the fusion Veidos! :)
im not paying for bonfire...... whats other options?
Allure of darkness
Creeping Darkness
Allure... Or pot
Allure of Darkness
Allure of darkness or small world (if you play non-pyro darks to bridge)
if Awaken is Ashen card it would be easier
Yeah that would have been awesome
Very nice vid, helps a lot #PendBestDeck
Only "good" thing I see is another super poly target. Otherwise it's an okay rogue strat imo
bro the board is insanly weak against other meta contenderboards. its too slow also...
Yeah as I said, it can’t compete against top meta decks and will end up probably around tier 3. Still I think especially going second could be a good option for this deck because if you draw super polymerization, you can pretty much out every board
@@pumpcards yeah but harddrawing superpoly is a out in every deck. i mean tenpai is comin in the same set and well this deck plays going second outta hell! no comparison to going second ashened
@@whyrasz yeah u are right, cant argue with that. As i said tier 3 at best lol
@@pumpcards just droppin some comments for the algorythm :* :D
Are u single??
hes together with himalaya salt.... already taken
Those effects are hot garbage. The cards won’t even apply to other archetypes due to the stipulation being “dark pyro”.
The playstyle is so lame... Setting up a board wipe during your opponent's turn. Already seen in Ghoti, Prank-kids... The only card i like is Veidos.