IMO this deck is already fairly rogue playable due to the consistency at which it makes the same board with numerous 2-card combos, the 2 OCG support cards will probably not tier it but they will be a great push
I know some compare Ashened to War Rock, but this is only because they are a tcg exclusive archetype and if tcg exclusives aren't tier 0, they are War Rock (it's a surface level comparison and not app is my point). Honestly, I think Beetrooper is a better comparison when it comes to tcg exclusives. They're both pretty consistent and grindy, but their endboards are the biggest problem. Insects have gotten better, but pyros still lack monsters to end on. And before you bring up Snake-eyes...how many pyros do they end on? Exactly. Having locks into pyros make sense lorewise, but Konami really needs to make more big pyro monsters to end on(if only because Dragons, Warriors, Spellcasters, etc have enough variety).
My theory is, OCG Konami doesn't want TCG to make the archetypes too busted. If they do, people won't buy their busted product. So everything must be tuned down until the OCG gives that archetype the support that the TCG could have just printed instead. Tin hat theory but I don't see why TCG just can't make a competitive archetype from the get-go anymore.
@@YourWaterBoii I doubt that, cause they are ultimately one company, so doing that doesn't really make sense and the way the market works in the first place is based off of scarcity. It is more indirect. More than likely it is just because of a combination of past sins and the fact that tcg-exclusives are a limited resource when compared to the ocg. So it kinda scares them into playing it too safe. We don't really know though, maybe the tcg just gets excited about telling a story through their cards (which I think they are better than the ocg at doing) and ignore things like whether the effect estriction is worth it
@@JABRIEL251From what I heard, TCG and OCG are separated into departments and those departments lack good communication with each other which would make the most sense towards why TCG doesn't make very well-done exclusive archetypes anymore.
@@jvsonic2468 I mean, that's probably true that they don't communicate much, but that's honestly an argument against why, because if they don't communicate, they don't have to take them into as much consideration, so they can do whatever they want. If anything, having more communication would be a better explanation.
"Grindy" hold up buddy Beetrooter can only last 2 turns before it ran out of extra deck monsters, even memento can out grind it, and it's a deck that created for yugi boomer because of its simplicity.
They really should have played more into the Field Spell control angle like Vaylantz. Though you can probably do some cool things with an AFD line and Barricadeborg Blocker, maybe try supplementing them with a Therion or Trickstar/Volcanic package depending on your playstyle.
It only works for 3 card hands, but you can forgo the fusion setup to instead end on whale + hero with veidos ready to go and princess and earlie in the GY. This still gives you the monster wipe but it gives you some extra layers of disruption your opponent needs to play around. The line is Normal Priestess Search Obsidim/another 4 Activate obsidim Special a 4 Overly for Infernal Flame Banshee Banshee add Veidos Veidos pop Obsidim grab Eternity Obsidim summon King King summon Shaman King + Banshee = the new exclusice Haggard Lizardose Shaman recycle Priestess, King, the level 4, add Obsidim Lizardose banish Banshee from GY target itself Trigger Banshee since it was banished while you control a Pyro Banshee + Lizard = Princess Princess reborn Banshee Banshee + Shaman = Earlie Earlie + Princess = Amblowhale Activate Extinguishing or Awakening to grab Hero Activate Obsidim Special Hero Set Eternity You can pop Veidos if you want since you have eternity to add it back Ideally princess triggers first so that you can pop whale and reborne Earlie so that she is pointing to Hero. But most of the time you will hero first, popping whale and reborning Earlie so that you have a fire still on board to trigger princess and then the followup pop from whale in GY. Its a bit more flexible than the fusion line and still sets you up to fuse on turn 3 to wipe the board and/or OTK
Have you guys considered a Crystal Beast Package with Foolish Burial Goods? FBG is basically another version of Awakening Of Veidos for the deck that also leaves a Banshee on field and an Ultimate Crystal monster on hand that can be used for discard for things like Superpoly or Droplet. Includes the following: -3 Foolish Burial Goods -1 Rainbow Bridge Of Salvation -1 Sappire Pegasus -1 Crystal Beast Rainbow Dragon -1 Level 4 Crystal Beast -1 Ultimate Crystal (Rainbow Dragon or Dark Rainbow Dragon) How it works: -Active FBG, send Bridge of salvation. -Banish Salvation, add Obsidium and Sappire Pegasus -Normal Pegasus, place Crystal Beast Rainbow Dragon in S&T zone. -Banish CB Rainbow Dragon from S&T, Special Summin Level 4 Crystal Beast from Deck and add the Ultimate Crystal. -Xyz into Banshee, detach to add Veidos. It is at the cost of a Normal Summon, but this deck rarely does it, and it doesnt lock you into Pyros, so you might potentially do some other plays with cards in hand before comitting to the Veidos combo. I hope this helps out.
The deck has a few really strong plays but on the other hand it also has significant weaknesses. Looks like it is fun to play but I don’t think that it is good enough to top.
Nice profile, added Agnimal to my list cause it feels like a good Bonfire target, and threw a Draco Berserker in too. Now that I'm playing the Deck, I feel like Obsidim should change monsters to Pyro nit just on your turn, and its grave effect should be during either end phase. And if Spear had a quick effect....man the Deck would have been significantly stronger
Chicken game was never legal in the tcg when fa was printed. It was banned spring of 15/16 (I forget?) because of the monarch ftk deck. It was played in UA prior to that though
@@Billie.Hardrock Pretty much. I think people are so tired of tcg-exclusives being just okay (or worse) when they have historically broken the meta (not really sure why you want that, but okay), that unless they are tiered status, they are terrible. Ashened is honestly just okay, but being just okay is a grave sin for tcg-exclusives.
@@JABRIEL251 EVERY modern archetype or legacy support for a past archetype or series of cards should take the deck in-between rogue to tier 2 status. Konami is just using their card game for their greedy business practices by controlling the design of deck themes they make. Alongside power-creep used to cover up excuses for their design intentions, they get away with SO much bullshit. That's partly why I stopped or lessen buying their products and digital in-game purchases.
Honestly think the deck IS competent. As in it has a coherent gameplan. A timely Dark Hole and Harpies Feather Duster in theory sounds strong, but the issue is how do you set that up consistently while dealing with opponent interruptions? Of course I'm not a good player so my opinion means jack lol. Regardless there are some individually powerful cards here. Veidos in particular is awesome.
Allure is rare because there's no guarantee that you'll be able to recycling the banished monster when you need it, and there's the (admittedly rare) chance that you'll have to banish a starter, because that's the only Dark in your hand
You dont play allure unless you consistently plus off the banish In ashen allure is literally just bad upstart and you're def not playing upstart with only 11 non-engine slots
I knew chicken game would be immediately good in something. I just wasnt expecting it to be ashened
It’s also good in white forest.
@@justice8718 im pretty excited about those! They have way more targets than they need, including centaur-ion primera!
ashened is awful so its not like its note worthy
@@streetgamer3452 not true.
@@maxinesenior596 it is very much true. The new ashened cards are awful
IMO this deck is already fairly rogue playable due to the consistency at which it makes the same board with numerous 2-card combos, the 2 OCG support cards will probably not tier it but they will be a great push
Lithium was the hero we needed to make Ashened look good! Can't wait to play the new cards
Giving your opponent Veidos turning off turn 1 imperms and free specials from the hand is kinda nasty
That and Veidos is the best anti field spell handtrap
Yeah, that was already neat with Volcanic Trooper but there it is just a gimmick and not the main play.
Thank you for putting work, love and effort into this deck! Being playable just fine is all i want
I know some compare Ashened to War Rock, but this is only because they are a tcg exclusive archetype and if tcg exclusives aren't tier 0, they are War Rock (it's a surface level comparison and not app is my point). Honestly, I think Beetrooper is a better comparison when it comes to tcg exclusives. They're both pretty consistent and grindy, but their endboards are the biggest problem. Insects have gotten better, but pyros still lack monsters to end on. And before you bring up Snake-eyes...how many pyros do they end on? Exactly. Having locks into pyros make sense lorewise, but Konami really needs to make more big pyro monsters to end on(if only because Dragons, Warriors, Spellcasters, etc have enough variety).
My theory is, OCG Konami doesn't want TCG to make the archetypes too busted. If they do, people won't buy their busted product. So everything must be tuned down until the OCG gives that archetype the support that the TCG could have just printed instead. Tin hat theory but I don't see why TCG just can't make a competitive archetype from the get-go anymore.
@@YourWaterBoii I doubt that, cause they are ultimately one company, so doing that doesn't really make sense and the way the market works in the first place is based off of scarcity. It is more indirect. More than likely it is just because of a combination of past sins and the fact that tcg-exclusives are a limited resource when compared to the ocg. So it kinda scares them into playing it too safe.
We don't really know though, maybe the tcg just gets excited about telling a story through their cards (which I think they are better than the ocg at doing) and ignore things like whether the effect
estriction is worth it
@@JABRIEL251From what I heard, TCG and OCG are separated into departments and those departments lack good communication with each other which would make the most sense towards why TCG doesn't make very well-done exclusive archetypes anymore.
@@jvsonic2468 I mean, that's probably true that they don't communicate much, but that's honestly an argument against why, because if they don't communicate, they don't have to take them into as much consideration, so they can do whatever they want. If anything, having more communication would be a better explanation.
"Grindy" hold up buddy
Beetrooter can only last 2 turns before it ran out of extra deck monsters, even memento can out grind it, and it's a deck that created for yugi boomer because of its simplicity.
They really should have played more into the Field Spell control angle like Vaylantz. Though you can probably do some cool things with an AFD line and Barricadeborg Blocker, maybe try supplementing them with a Therion or Trickstar/Volcanic package depending on your playstyle.
Now I wait for affordable Bonfire
OCG, please save this Archtype 🙏🏾
The cards are too beautiful to be this mid 😭😭😭
It only works for 3 card hands, but you can forgo the fusion setup to instead end on whale + hero with veidos ready to go and princess and earlie in the GY. This still gives you the monster wipe but it gives you some extra layers of disruption your opponent needs to play around. The line is
Normal Priestess
Search Obsidim/another 4
Activate obsidim
Special a 4
Overly for Infernal Flame Banshee
Banshee add Veidos
Veidos pop Obsidim grab Eternity
Obsidim summon King
King summon Shaman
King + Banshee = the new exclusice Haggard Lizardose
Shaman recycle Priestess, King, the level 4, add Obsidim
Lizardose banish Banshee from GY target itself
Trigger Banshee since it was banished while you control a Pyro
Banshee + Lizard = Princess
Princess reborn Banshee
Banshee + Shaman = Earlie
Earlie + Princess = Amblowhale
Activate Extinguishing or Awakening to grab Hero
Activate Obsidim
Special Hero
Set Eternity
You can pop Veidos if you want since you have eternity to add it back
Ideally princess triggers first so that you can pop whale and reborne Earlie so that she is pointing to Hero. But most of the time you will hero first, popping whale and reborning Earlie so that you have a fire still on board to trigger princess and then the followup pop from whale in GY. Its a bit more flexible than the fusion line and still sets you up to fuse on turn 3 to wipe the board and/or OTK
Have you guys considered a Crystal Beast Package with Foolish Burial Goods? FBG is basically another version of Awakening Of Veidos for the deck that also leaves a Banshee on field and an Ultimate Crystal monster on hand that can be used for discard for things like Superpoly or Droplet. Includes the following:
-3 Foolish Burial Goods
-1 Rainbow Bridge Of Salvation
-1 Sappire Pegasus
-1 Crystal Beast Rainbow Dragon
-1 Level 4 Crystal Beast
-1 Ultimate Crystal (Rainbow Dragon or Dark Rainbow Dragon)
How it works:
-Active FBG, send Bridge of salvation.
-Banish Salvation, add Obsidium and Sappire Pegasus
-Normal Pegasus, place Crystal Beast Rainbow Dragon in S&T zone.
-Banish CB Rainbow Dragon from S&T, Special Summin Level 4 Crystal Beast from Deck and add the Ultimate Crystal.
-Xyz into Banshee, detach to add Veidos.
It is at the cost of a Normal Summon, but this deck rarely does it, and it doesnt lock you into Pyros, so you might potentially do some other plays with cards in hand before comitting to the Veidos combo. I hope this helps out.
i feel like with those title's everything is a dam problem at this point xD
still nice vid on the deck
The deck has a few really strong plays but on the other hand it also has significant weaknesses.
Looks like it is fun to play but I don’t think that it is good enough to top.
Nice profile, added Agnimal to my list cause it feels like a good Bonfire target, and threw a Draco Berserker in too.
Now that I'm playing the Deck, I feel like Obsidim should change monsters to Pyro nit just on your turn, and its grave effect should be during either end phase. And if Spear had a quick effect....man the Deck would have been significantly stronger
I’m glad chicken game is unbanned I love that card. Used to play it in F.A. I bet it will also be a staple in Gold Pride.
Tfw was playing F.A. and lost Baron not just as a potential Nib out but also as an extender :-(
Chicken game was never legal in the tcg when fa was printed. It was banned spring of 15/16 (I forget?) because of the monarch ftk deck. It was played in UA prior to that though
Fusion summon your opponents board is becoming the new norm now yeah
Oh shoot lithium broke ashened 😂😂
Cannot break what is broken and not in the good way
You mean Konami broken lithium
The new support made the deck a decent one somewhat. People just complained about the new support not being broken!
@@Billie.Hardrock Pretty much. I think people are so tired of tcg-exclusives being just okay (or worse) when they have historically broken the meta (not really sure why you want that, but okay), that unless they are tiered status, they are terrible. Ashened is honestly just okay, but being just okay is a grave sin for tcg-exclusives.
@@JABRIEL251 EVERY modern archetype or legacy support for a past archetype or series of cards should take the deck in-between rogue to tier 2 status. Konami is just using their card game for their greedy business practices by controlling the design of deck themes they make. Alongside power-creep used to cover up excuses for their design intentions, they get away with SO much bullshit. That's partly why I stopped or lessen buying their products and digital in-game purchases.
Been wanting to build a pure without the bonfires, and like the art of the deck
eyo
just started the video and saw your hand, all good ma man ?
Im in trouble 😅 But I know more next week.. 😌🙏
@@Lithium2300 my best wishes for you ma man
Honestly think the deck IS competent. As in it has a coherent gameplan. A timely Dark Hole and Harpies Feather Duster in theory sounds strong, but the issue is how do you set that up consistently while dealing with opponent interruptions? Of course I'm not a good player so my opinion means jack lol.
Regardless there are some individually powerful cards here. Veidos in particular is awesome.
Can we get the deck list for this?
Im more interested in the new lvl 8 dark light dragons for dragon link. Ending on that 3 omni negates is really strong
Too bad it also negates your stuff and is mandatory.
@JABRIEL251 well that's fine if it's the last thing you make on turn 1 just like old LADD.
How does Necrovally favour in here???
More like ashamed
they really said YEP, this deck that board wipe every turn REALLY needs a fusion 🗿
why did it destroy all the monsters when its a harpies feather duster?
Veidos second effect
Main Deck Veidos can destroy all monsters when sent from field to gy.
Veidos pops also 😄
who is that little yellow robot? and how does he synchro summon a Crystal wing .-.
Revolution Synchron
Would rokkets work with veidos?
Yugioh X Dark souls crossover. Awesome!
Do you have the actual list anywhere? There's a couple of cards I don't recognize immediately, cheers!
What cards do you not recognize?
Can you link the deck list?
good deck still getting more solid plays , and memento need more supports too :/
They just revealed a new fusion
Good news for you because konami just revealed a new fusion that is a snake rain , a dpe for 5 and a rota all in one card
@@JABRIEL251 I don't find it, what's the name of the card?
I wonder why no one plays allure in this deck? They can recycle the banished monsters.
Allure is rare because there's no guarantee that you'll be able to recycling the banished monster when you need it, and there's the (admittedly rare) chance that you'll have to banish a starter, because that's the only Dark in your hand
You dont play allure unless you consistently plus off the banish
In ashen allure is literally just bad upstart and you're def not playing upstart with only 11 non-engine slots
Yeah, the problem is the new ashened cards are complete garbage because Konami is still salty about burning abyss and kozmo
U start u win ... Last Game U Go 2nd U lose .... Thats Ygo 2024😂
My dumbass thought Veidos' nuke effect was mandatory.
Ocg please good card for this deck ✌️
Very gimmicky deck, not good at all. All the turn 1 boards were very underwhelming.
Dark souls the deck can’t not be top tier.
God this deck is awful lmfao. But being inspired by dark soul, of course they'd have to make it hard to win