Yep- the MSRP should have 'only' cost about $5k-8k more than the comparably equipped earlier gen Tundra. Not the customer's fault that they decided to use a high tech $30000 engine.
No, it's not a bargain, it's a bleeping rip-off. I will never buy a new car again, especially in the U.S. The days of paying off the three/four-year car loans are gone. The average family can't afford those current prices.
Im glad this is happening. The people willing to pay these prices were part of the problem. People need to come back to reality. A commuter car or entry cuv doesn’t need cooled seats, panoramic sunroofs, he back seats. The features on everyday vehicles has gotten out of control. And made cars less reliable.
Manufacturers have been catering to the wants and desires of women in adding these features and racking up the price. I literally had a woman state to me a backup camera is a safety feature. I replied if she needs a backup camera then she doesn't need to be driving, cause a backup camera doesn't show you what's coming from your 3 & 8 o'clock from behind.
Toyota revenue went up from $31.38 trillion in 2022 to 45.10 trillion for fiscal 2024. In 2 years the revenue went up by almost 50%. From 2017-2021 the revenue was more or less flat. The problem with Toyota is with the brand, product, and new competition. Tesla Model 3 displaced Toyota Camry as the best selling non-compact in USA and for a few years in a row if I'm not mistaken.
Its less of that and more about price.. The working man is done paying a mortgage for a work truck 🚚 and driving a cool truck is quickly falling to the wayside as will. The Americans with the money are to smart to waste it on a poorly constructed flashy truck...
Rent, food, electric bill, auto insurance, home insurance, products in general has quadrupled but salary has not. Even cars have tripled and quadrupled in prices and automakers are scratching their heads as to why sales are down? They haven’t ruined their reputation, people aren’t trying to spend money like that. Makes no sense
Brandon, I owned one of the new Tundras - a really nice truck. By God's grace, I traded mine in Jan 2024, some weeks before the news broke on their engine issues. The big reason I traded mine ( with just around 20K miles on it) was because I got totally pee'd off with Toyota when they TOOK AWAY my ability (after owning the truck for a year or so) to remote start, lock, and unlock the truck. I was informed that UNLESS I pay for the phone app now, I will not longer have those functions! I had it when I bought it, and when they became penny-wise, pound-foolish, I decided this was the LAST Toyota I would own! They can shove their trucks, and even if they discount one for me by 50%, I will not buy it! When you sell a customer a vehicle with "limited" app functions, then TAKE it away a year or so later because you want to FORCE them to pay for an app function they had when you sold them the vehicle, you, in my eyes, become a crook and a stupid one on top of that!
@@subaruamazon Friend had an old Sienna with a nav system. Dealer wanted them to pay $1,000 for a maps update many years later. I think that they bought a Garmin Nuvi for $200 instead.
@@movdqaThat’s what my old iPhone is for, it always knows where it is, you can tell it where you want to go, and even change the voice telling you when and where to turn. Not to mention, it knows where everything along the way is. Want an to eat Outback in an upcoming city, it knows where to go, everywhere. And my old, extremely old Toyota (that does not know I even have a smartphone), charges the phone through its cigarette lighter!🤪 Buy everything used until global finance figures it out, after all, they have Ivy League Masters and Doctorates with 7 & 8 figure C-Suite compensation. At this point, it’s full on challenge in a global capitalist game. Let them eat crow!
Wages went up, in my area entry level jobs are paying $50-60k now that require little to no experience. You may want to find a new employer and accept the new wage level.
@Dividend_Investing2024 that's great to hear until you hear about the prices of all your everyday items and other things going up a dollar to couple dollars on a daily influx will affect your weekly or biweekly pay schedule drastically when you have a fixed income and that inflation has a pattern for being on an up trend that quietly goes up over night and slightly back down just to go right back up drastically to never actually leveling out to living wages and living expenses being any close to liveable
Any chance the Tundra gets its V8 back? I wouldn’t buy a 6 cyl turbo. Never. I have a 2021 Lexus GX and I won’t trade it for their new 6 cyl ever. I only drive 7k miles a year so I’ll never need another GX.
@Bhatmann well, you can get F150s with a V8. Also, Toyota could have improved the v8 some in combination with a 10 speed auto to get close to the same fuel mileage as their crappy turbo 6 cylinder. Those turbo 6 cylinders don't get that much better fuel economy than the old v8s
All of the customers who were buried by these dealers are out of the market for the next 5-7 years. The dealers were very short sighted but then they’re car dealers so what do you expect?
Most people are struggling to buy food, house, and utilities. Crap they can't afford cars/trucks that cost $50k to $100k. That requires jobs that pay over $100k a year and working people dont earn that kind of money and thats 75% to 80% of the people.
they are starting to slash prices. to me at this point, inflation is just greed. covid is over. supply line problems have been fixed. what a mess oems face. buried buyers. 8 percent rates. elimination of low trims. obscene oem prices. let them sit. they will get the message eventually. look at fast food. everyone has a 6 dollar box and a 5 dollar breakfast special coffee and the like. better to make somethink rather then nothing.
Last year called my Toyota salesman we wanted a new RAV. He didn't call me back. two weeks later I call again and he couldn't do a darn thing on price for us a repeat buyer. Was still selling over sticker. Bought a Mazda and love it. Actually better quality, price and options.
i see this all the time. toyota and honda being driven over to mazda and subaru. god bless competition. my family had both and they are both good cars.
Recently had a terrible experience at a Toyota dealer in Phoenix. They weren’t interested in letting us test drive any of the vehicles we were actually interested in purchasing. So we went down the road to another dealer. That will be our first and last experience with that dealer.
The bottom end are the same in the hybrids, it speaks volume that they did not recall the hybrid truck. They are only case by case. It's a race to the bottom just like Nissan and Mopar. No one trust them.
No V8 = no new Tundra for me, No V6 = no new Tacoma for me either. Instead of replacing my 10 year old Tacoma this year, I'm learning to work on it myself. Bet I can get another 20 years out of it.
@ganymeade5151 it's not socialism, that's just people being cheap. Time and time again the consumer shows that they don't want to pay for quality. It's why so many car brands suck and there are only a few good ones like Honda, Lexus and Toyota
@@bsgvlog5640 They built better cars in 2000-2015 and adjusted for inflation, still were cheaper. It isn’t just a consumer problem. The market is distorted. The cars today cost more and engineering and manufacturing quality went down to maximize profitability.
The middle class is great at destroying itself. Nobody is forcing anyone to finance a $50K car or truck. Anyone complaining while they have extra cars, boats, ATVs, Harleys, or other toys sitting in the garage need to look in the mirror for the cause of thier problems. People trying to buy happiness with the latest and greatest because they feel they “deserve” it. 1-K cell phones, $200 /mo. cable/subscription streaming services, $6 lattes, 2500 sq-ft houses, 70-inch TVs… The list goes on and on.
Even if I can afford it I don't want to buy these overpriced cars. I'd rather save up so I retire early and get out of putting up with toxic workplaces.
As Dave Ramsey says; that thump you hear when you drive your new car off the car lot onto the highway is a $10,000 lost on your vehicle before you drive 15 feet.
They used to call it Busting Bugs - referring to when you take delivery of a new vehicle and drive it off the lot - and when you take that big hit in the resale value of that vehicle.
Thats what happens when you lose touch with your customer base. I was loyal to Toyota for 25 years because of the reliability. Take away that bullet proof reliability and you're no different than Mitsubishi or Nissan. My next car will be a mazda and ill never buy another Toyota
Love it. I used to get a new vehicle every couple/few years. I have a 2020 Tundra that I plan on driving into the ground. Prices have become unrealistic. I want the dealers to feel pain for all the gouging they have done in the past.
All of 19 /2020 I tried to get any tundra I could . Now that I’m older 36 it sucks I have 815 credit score and can’t afford a v8 truck probably the rest of my life . Same with a damn muscle car , I really like the new disgustangs , them new 5.0 are wicked 10:50
@@JamieFaux-qi6ip I thought I paid too much for it in 2019! I paid OTD $48kish (SR5 off road pkg). I don't feel so bad anymore. I've put 65k miles on it. Barely broke her in!
Bought a new 2020 DC Sport for $39K OTD. Not only do I not want to spend $60K-$70K for a new one but with all the QC + reliability issues on top of not wanting a V6 turbo, I’m driving mine into the ground. I’ve been a 35 year Toyota fanboy, 3 Tundras, 2 Camrys, a Tacoma, never even visited another dealer. Next go around I’ll be shopping other vendors. Toyota lost its price / reliability / quality advantage. It was a good run. Now the party is over, it’s 6am, nothing but empty bottles on the floor, time to clear my headache and start a new day.
2020 Toyota tundra? Brother you have one of the most reliable engines ever made in that truck, they can go 500k miles with bad maintenance, 900k+ miles with good maintenance, that truck is priceless nowadays, if I was you i would keep it forever.
@@erickgomez1798 had a ‘13 Tundra Limited upgraded to the 2020 thinking that it’ll hold me over till the next gen came along. Didn’t care for the next gen when it came out. I only drive ~8K / yr, so yeah it could be my last truck. Don’t care about all the fancy instrumentation / status of a new truck, my dogs don’t care either! My son has the new 1794, nice, but, ehh!, it’s a completely different truck, not for me. You are right, the 2020 just might be my last truck.
the s*&t is certainly hitting the fan. obscene adm's. 8 percent rates. oems jacking up car prices. oems eliminating lower trim models. stealerships and banks allowing buyers to be buried. crappy economy with no one having money. it is the perfect storm for oem/stealerships.
I don’t want to be in debt. Im enjoying my life debt free if i buy a $50-$60k new car i will be in debt and a car payment plus car insurance will be around $700/month. That is a lot of money. Now im only paying for insurance
Yep. People need to consult their insurance companies before they buy anything. EV's and vehicles with panoramic sunroofs are extremely expensive to insure.
07 camry 153k. had some repairs i was surprised about. bought it in 18 with 106k. first camry. lower control arms. fuel pump valve gasket repairs - twice. front bearings. engine 100 percent. tranny 100 percent. will drive this into the ground. i have the famous oil burner. u have perhaps one of the best engines they ever made. drive it into the ground. I sure am.
@@jorgeposadas1192 i live outside of gotham nyc. used to rent cars for work. been using this since covid a lot. i say i can get 250 to 300k as the second owner. change oil every 4k.
We have a 08 matrix with 212,000 miles and a 05 corolla with somewhere near 380,000. Odometer stopped counting at 299,999. Both have the same engine and never had a problem with either of them other than a water pump
I'll be driving my '90s car 10 years from now. 20 years from now probably. With all the trash they're adding to vehicles these days, and how ridiculously difficult they are to work on, I'm sticking with what's simple. Cheap Mitsubishi, and no car payments. Everyone else can buy crazy. Some of us will stick with maintaining our rides for the long haul.
Crazy how fast the Toyota loyalists just ran away from the new Tundra. I'll give them props for voting with their money when Toyota goes against what they want. This is especially true with the v6 Tacoma.
People were loyal to Toyota because they created very reliable vehicles. My daily vehicle is a 2011 rav4 v6. I do not intend to replace it anytime soon...
@@subaruamazon Yeah a small suv like the 2011 rav4 with a v6 is so fun to drive. I'm only at 99k kilometers / 62k miles because I use my other vehicle for long travels. In 13 years of ownership i've had only 2000CAD in repairs.
Bought a new 2025 corolla LE for 22,150 and the otd was 24,362. Tell 10 dealers you want this otd price and at least 3 will get back to you. You can honestly beat it if you have a week to really stretch them. Especially the last week of the month. Good luck 🙏
Too many "features", too much tech, too much expense, not enough reliability. If it was a naturally aspirated inline 6 with throttle by cable, no screens, and real analog gauges I would consider it. But unfortunately those days are gone. So I'll just keep rebuilding older vehicles.
I suggest buying any older "workhorse vehicle, basic as possible, the one that can't break because a huge recall would bankrupt the company, Corolla, Mx-5, or similar.
Agreed. Trouble is, this costly (forced) transition to electric vehicles is forcing automakers to raise prices on ICE vehicles to pay for this. Matters only get more problematic when customers then don't buy these electric vehicles.
everyone where I am at has major mark downs, even ford has cut prices here F-150s are now with 10k off on them putting them in the 40s and the maverick and rangers are in the 25k range, Chevy are doing the same thing they are trying to get rid of stock do to 25s are rolling in. Just no one is buying at all.
Just quit making everything so complicated, and then they won't be so expensive, and then they won't be so hard to finance and then the insurance cost won't be so high😢😢
Its simple math. People simply can’t afford these new vehicles. Im a mechanic by trade. I am booked out 6 weeks with work. People are choosing to keep their older vehicles and maintain and repair them vs going out and buying new for one simple reason. Its just cheaper for them….
$6k off a $40k truck priced at nearly $70k, with an untrustworthy engine due to a lack of transparency in what was wrong in the first place... and therefore probably still is. Locally I can get a Tundra SR5 for $50k, but it's still too much for what it is. I can get an F-150 STX crew 5.0 v8 for $47k4 before negotiating. If I could buy a new 1993 Civic hatch for my wife then she'd be very happy. They were fast enough, economical, and reliable. What are Honda offering? 200hp hybrid with CVT. That's two technologies we will not give them money for. We are not buying a CVT and we are not buying a hybrid. CVTs are garbage, so that rules out the Corolla. Toyota has even managed to make a poor quality manual for the Tacoma... as well as weak strut mounts and very suspect front axles. So what are we to do? My wife might end up with a Golf GTI. If I could separate my friend from the 7.3 diesel F250 manual 4x4 he has sitting on his ranch with a bad engine I would have that refurbished and just sidestep the current market. Probably for the rest of my life.
@@jev2867not true. A lot of dealers open on Sundays. Financing decisions all done in an algorithm for most part. Lots of the offices open on Sundays too. Purchased last two vehicles on a Sunday
I would never buy a ram because I bought One previously. That's all the lesson I needed. But, I have a second reason now. I'm not entirely sure that Stalintis or whatever the name is , will be in business a year from now.
My 2016 Audi A3 2.0 Quattro bought new is a total POS. 2 water pumps, 2 fuel pumps, 1 electronic parking brake motor, 1 complete transmission later. Out over $15k. Can’t wait to get rid of this money pit
I drove Audis form 1982 until 2000. Glutton for punishment. They are a blast to drive and last forever if you keep fixing them but they cost a fortune after a few years. Switched to Toyota in 2000 and it was like night and day in terms of maintenance. Going from one of the worst cars for maintenance to one of the best was dramatic. Toyota cars are boring but that's what I needed in that stage of life.
@@movdqa i agree. i bought a camry in 07 and have been talking about a stang for seven years. bought one in 22. 01 stang conv auto. i am happy . it is like a crown vic sports car. audis, vw, bmw, fun to drive but get the heloc ready when they get older. get urself a toy like i did.
2019 I purchased a new Tundra TRD Pro for $55k and I thought that was a kick in the nuts. A new SR5 in my region is $70k today. On top of that we haven’t seen the end of the engine recalls. Expect 2024s to be incorporated as soon as the new year hits. They haven’t resolved the problems.
@@CQALiveI bought my 24 Jetta SEL for $27,300 instead of sticker was $31,800 in march just outside chicago. No add ons were forced on me either. 38mpg I love this car. Go check out volkswagen for one of your shows
I will never understand America's fascination with these over sized behemoths. I bought a Dodge truck 25 years ago and if I drove it once a week it was a busy week. These vehicles serve no purpose unless you're offroading or hauling. They handle like crap and they drink gas like crazy. What is it? Is it a Napoleon complex? Penis envy? Please explain.
If you can afford one they guarantee you’re going to get where you want to go, enjoy the safety aspect and to be able to lug stuff around is irreplaceable.
Do you care for livestock? Do you live in the boonies and haul tons of stuff out to your which is a hour from stores, hospitals, etc! Do you haul crap needed to fix your home, have kids who move to college or different military bases? A truck is a necessity for a lot of rural families. Then again, we tend to keep them running for 400K miles. Plus not a dude.
@@rachelleintexas338 Those are legitimate reasons but lets face it most truck owners are using these monsters as daily drivers. I sit next to them in traffic every day.
If I was considering buying a Toyota Truck (I'm not) even with the Engine and Transmissions fully covered by Warranty, why would I want to chance being stranded in the Winter weather with a broken down new Truck in the middle of no where? It's fine that they are fully covering the Drive Train with Warranty but I would have to go without a vehicle for weeks or more waiting for the Dealer to order and replace the drive train. I'm glad I'm not in the market for one because $6000 off is not enough for a product with a now questionable future. BTW the 2025 Nissan Versa MSRP is still sub 20K for basic models (approx. $18K base model with standard transmission). Fully equipped its sub $23k for the top of the line SR.
@@JBM425 67,000 mostly trouble-free miles, 5yr 100,000 mile warranty when new. They still have some new Titans out there I expect. VK-56 390 HP natural aspirated V-8. Loose power steering line and a defective clutch fan only issues in 6 years, both covered under warranty.
My '19 normally aspirated Tacoma works fine and hasn't needed anything beyond tires, brakes, and oil changes. Over 90k miles so far and it feels like it's just starting to get broke in. I'm keeping that truck as long as I can. Most people that use trucks just want simple, reliable, and affordable trucks. We don't need all the extra crap.
I drive a 2016 Tundra that I use on weekends to pull my camper. I was considering buying a new Tundra as mine is approaching 150k miles, but there is no way that I would buy a v6 even if it didn't have engine problems. I will just keep what I have and drive it until it gives up.
Close to 2 years ago when the new Tundra’s came out, I loved them. I started looking at a TRD Pro..did 6 months of research, was happy with paying MSRP, then started to look. I live in central Texas. I started a spreadsheet of all the dealers within 200 miles of me. I contacted 80 dealerships, not a single one was willing to sell to me for MSRP. The lowest I found was over $90k. I also couldn’t find any dealership that wasn’t adding a bunch of unnecessary dealer add-ons. After 6 months of looking for a dealership that wasn’t scamming people, I chose to take my money elsewhere. I spent $130k on a 97 Land Rover defender and did a frame off restoration on it, and know I know where every bolt came from, and I chose what I wanted. The dealership model has to go.
was surprised to read Mazda is now #2 in reliability, behind #1 Toyota and ahead of #3 Honda, plus they have similar SUV models without the ridiculous premium pricing and dealer markups
Perhaps they should make fewer trucks and more cars. All the Prius's that my closest Toyota dealership lists are either "sale pending" or "in-transit". There is nothing on the lot.
Somewhere along the line, Toyota drank the same Kool Aid the other manufacturers did: selling trucks with higher markups was more profitable than selling cars and SUVs. Their mistakes were assuming people would buy trucks in the same quantities as cars, and that people were more than willing to pay a lot more.
I was ready to get a new tundra because of its reliability of their motors. Once I found out they went with a v6, I was out. I tow my boat almost every weekend and I don't wanna play games with a v6, twin turbo or not. I ended up spending more money, but went with a chevrolet 2500HD.
According to the toyota sales numbers on the tacoma, they are selling the same as last year. But at my local dealer last year u might find one or two on the lot. Now they have 45 sitting on the lot. I think toyota is lying on their sales numbers.
Selling to the dealer counts as a sale for toyota Corp. It's why stellantis was doing so well until the lots filled up and the dealers stopped accepting allocatins.
Regarding Toyotas my brother lives in the Pacific Northwest. He told me Toyota dealerships there are aggressively marking down vehicles. Meanwhile here in Arizona they haven’t got the message 😳
I don’t know anyone (including a fleet mechanic whose fleet is mostly F150’s) who likes the ecoboost v6 over the 5.0. I can’t see what would cause Toyota to try what ford has already established sux
It's a shame that Toyota has followed other OEMs and chose to overproduce expensive pickups while forsaking their bread and butter vehicles like RAV4, Camry and Corolla.
The only new car that I bought was a 1985 Camry with a manual transmission. It cost $10,000. It’s better to buy a used car. In 2010 I bought a certified used Honda CR-V EX for about $14,500. It’s still doing fine even after an accident that took out the 2 driver side doors. She was 16 and messing around with the radio! 😂 It was repaired. Original transmission and naturally aspirated 2.4. I like to look at the new cars but I wouldn’t buy one!
Dude youre insane! If its not AT LEAST 55% off, a free lift, wheels and tires THEN I’ll consider after seeing if the dealer down the street can do better.
Mitsubishi used to have great vehicles back in the day: sports cars like the Starion and 3000 GT , sedans such as the Diamonte and Galant among others.
I wouldn’t recommend Mitsubishi. Just traded my 23 eclipse cross. They have extremely bad resale value! Went to a ton of dealers and negotiated my butt off. That 1 yo vehicle lost close to half its resale value in 1 year. I will never go with Mitsubishi again. Lesson learned!
I currently drive a 2014 Tacoma Off Road. It has 86k on it, 3 1/2 " lift with 33" tires. When the 2024 Tundra came out, I was ready to step up , the I learned they killedthe V-8 that killed any possibility of upgrading to a new Toyota Truck. I'll drive my Tacoma till the fenders fall off. Poor management move by Toyota.
For many years I bought new Toyotas. Yaris, Corolla, Camry, several of them. Then suddenly the prices started skyrocketing and the vehicles became overly technical and full of un-needed crap. The last camry I bought in 2016 and was ready to trade for new. Followed the new Camry, finding a base model at $24,000 in 2024. Then they made them all hybrid for 2025 and said the price would be about $28,000 so I waited. Well, the hybrids are here all right, at no lower than $34,000. Won't be buying new cars anymore. Now I buy 1 owner used directly from the owner .
My local Toyota dealership is similar to what you just described. I was last at the dealership two weeks ago and there were huge numbers of trucks. A number of Highlanders. One Sienna. No RAV4s. A couple of Camrys, a couple of Corollas and a few Corolla SUVs. I see that their webpage has about 15 Camrys on their website right now but it's unclear if those are actually on the lot or "in transit". They list two models for $29K which I am sorely tempted on. The most I've ever paid for a car is $25K and that's what my 2018 Camry cost. I think that there were incentives back then too. I am willing to pay $29K for a Camry but I am curious if incentives are coming. I have never seen market adjustments at this dealerships, though, but they do add equipment addons. Right now, they have two models without the addons. Most of the other Camrys listed are AWD, XLE or XSE. Those are mostly about $36K to $44K. It seems to me as if they are testing the market with the range of prices to get a sense of what people want. If they offered 10% off a $29K Camry, I'd pull the trigger and write them a check for it. I bought my 2000 Avalon, 2012 Camry and 2018 Camry from that dealership and have had them serviced there so they know that I'm not going to go to any other dealership to buy it from. They have a long-term captive customer and I've been a cash buyer when I'm there. So this video is quite interesting to me. My current cars are the 2012 and 2018 Camrys and I actually have no need to buy a new car. I keep them both well-maintained and it helps having a spare car if one needs work.
07 camry here and i sold cars in college. i have been driving buy my jersey shore toyota dealership. all summer. only saw one camry and it was gone in a few days. just went down this week from northern nj and saw 7 carmys and a ton of other inventory. oems are jacking the price up. I would drive buy from time to time. I would offer 1000 over invoice. have to understand cars cost a lot from the oem's. 30k car they may have 28 into it. se and le are hot because they are camry and lower level. offer them 1000 over invoice. any dealership installed options should be at cost even though no one wants them. or open ur radius. get on the phone and call around. email too. if you can get a le or se for 28 to even 32 , that isnt bad. it is a broken economy and a broken car market. nothing makes sense. I would have problems buying new as well perhaps. expand ur radius and call around. is that confusing enough? lol.
@@subaruamazon No, I understand completely what you were saying. Expanding my radius would mean either asking a dealership that I won't do business with or going out-of-state and going out-of-state has its own headaches. For now, I'm letting the price come to me.
@@movdqa if u can keep abreast of when the se or le's hit the lot i would then jump in. if you can save thousand by buying elsewhere, do it. why wont u do business with another dealership who is fair. a warranty is a warranty. dont let sales intimidate u by threatening lousy service. that is bs. we used to do that when i sold cars in college. well mgmt did.
The vehicle market has inverted. Can remember years ago not wanting to buy used because of reliability concerns. Now it is the new vehicles that are a perceived reliability risk and those old V8 beaters look like the safe choice. Consumers don't want to be the beta testers for downsized turbo drivetrain experiments. Too many made that bet and lost big time.
Also, VW has 0 financing on the Tiguan's for 2024, and there's tons on lots. I know it's a VW, but you can get a new car with a warranty under 30K with zero financing charges. Low ball 10 dealerships, you will get a S model for 26K.
Supply vs demand. Demand is low and they will eventually lower prices. But it won’t happen until they lay ppl off. Maybe close a few places. Do everything they can before they lower prices. A big price correction is coming…
Akio Toyoda is still at Toyota but as a chairman of the board of directors it is a high level position. Akio is now 68 and is getting old to be a day to day CEO and fly to each country.
I’m going to get a bumper sticker saying “Don’t buy a Toyota Tacoma” mines was leaking water from the top brake light and it had so much mold under my seats when I found out, that Toyota had to keep the truck for six months to get rid of the mold and never compensated me.
historically people would bend over backwards to pay way more for a Toyota cause they last forever. now that they made their trucks just as crappy as the other guys
camry owner. i say they fix it like the truck frame. however, this covid/train wreck of an economy makes things worse for toyotas. why would u buy a truck with fatal engine flaws.
People want the V8. We don’t want a V6 Tundra. We accept a V6 in the Tacoma because it is the small truck of Toyota. In the big truck, it has to be V8 or larger
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$6000 off of a truck that's $20,000 overpriced isn't a bargain.
With The Quality & Reliability Of All Vehicles Built Today $20,000 Should Be The Maximum Price...😊😅😊😅😊😅
Do you still believe inflation is transitory and that prices will come down to what they were before?
Yep- the MSRP should have 'only' cost about $5k-8k more than the comparably equipped earlier gen Tundra. Not the customer's fault that they decided to use a high tech $30000 engine.
No, it's not a bargain, it's a bleeping rip-off. I will never buy a new car again, especially in the U.S. The days of paying off the three/four-year car loans are gone. The average family can't afford those current prices.
Still waiting for my 25000 off
The Car market priced 90% of their customers out. Karma is a Bitch.
Yup and cars will just continue to sit, it’s honestly sad
They thought the 10% could carry them long-term.
how do u say this plays out. seems like a slow grind down. no climax.
I agree. I have zero sympathy for these dealers.
Regulated into failure
Im glad this is happening. The people willing to pay these prices were part of the problem. People need to come back to reality. A commuter car or entry cuv doesn’t need cooled seats, panoramic sunroofs, he back seats. The features on everyday vehicles has gotten out of control. And made cars less reliable.
Agreed. And all trucks don't need to be crew cabs.
It’s just crazy to see tacomas going for 50k+. Absurd.
Manufacturers have been catering to the wants and desires of women in adding these features and racking up the price. I literally had a woman state to me a backup camera is a safety feature. I replied if she needs a backup camera then she doesn't need to be driving, cause a backup camera doesn't show you what's coming from your 3 & 8 o'clock from behind.
8 cupholders. lol
Toyota revenue went up from $31.38 trillion in 2022 to 45.10 trillion for fiscal 2024. In 2 years the revenue went up by almost 50%. From 2017-2021 the revenue was more or less flat. The problem with Toyota is with the brand, product, and new competition. Tesla Model 3 displaced Toyota Camry as the best selling non-compact in USA and for a few years in a row if I'm not mistaken.
Amazing how FAST Toyota ruined their trust/reputation with these bad engines.
Hahahahahahahaha yup!!!!
Its less of that and more about price.. The working man is done paying a mortgage for a work truck 🚚 and driving a cool truck is quickly falling to the wayside as will. The Americans with the money are to smart to waste it on a poorly constructed flashy truck...
Rent, food, electric bill, auto insurance, home insurance, products in general has quadrupled but salary has not.
Even cars have tripled and quadrupled in prices and automakers are scratching their heads as to why sales are down?
They haven’t ruined their reputation, people aren’t trying to spend money like that. Makes no sense
Yeah between the Tundra, Tacoma, GR 86 and GR Corolla what a disaster
Good! For years they've been living off their reputation and now their bill comes due
Brandon, I owned one of the new Tundras - a really nice truck. By God's grace, I traded mine in Jan 2024, some weeks before the news broke on their engine issues. The big reason I traded mine ( with just around 20K miles on it) was because I got totally pee'd off with Toyota when they TOOK AWAY my ability (after owning the truck for a year or so) to remote start, lock, and unlock the truck. I was informed that UNLESS I pay for the phone app now, I will not longer have those functions! I had it when I bought it, and when they became penny-wise, pound-foolish, I decided this was the LAST Toyota I would own! They can shove their trucks, and even if they discount one for me by 50%, I will not buy it! When you sell a customer a vehicle with "limited" app functions, then TAKE it away a year or so later because you want to FORCE them to pay for an app function they had when you sold them the vehicle, you, in my eyes, become a crook and a stupid one on top of that!
is this the famous must pay a monthly fee forever sham?
@@subaruamazon Friend had an old Sienna with a nav system. Dealer wanted them to pay $1,000 for a maps update many years later. I think that they bought a Garmin Nuvi for $200 instead.
@@movdqa wow what scumbags.
@@subaruamazonthat’s pretty much all car manufacturers. Kind of dumb this day and age with smart phones.
@@movdqaThat’s what my old iPhone is for, it always knows where it is, you can tell it where you want to go, and even change the voice telling you when and where to turn. Not to mention, it knows where everything along the way is. Want an to eat Outback in an upcoming city, it knows where to go, everywhere. And my old, extremely old Toyota (that does not know I even have a smartphone), charges the phone through its cigarette lighter!🤪
Buy everything used until global finance figures it out, after all, they have Ivy League Masters and Doctorates with 7 & 8 figure C-Suite compensation. At this point, it’s full on challenge in a global capitalist game. Let them eat crow!
Prices go up, wages stay the same, people stop affording/buying...
Companies make surprised pikachu face.
Wages went up, in my area entry level jobs are paying $50-60k now that require little to no experience. You may want to find a new employer and accept the new wage level.
People are foolish for overpaying.
and it's hilarious. any videos? we could all use a good laugh.
@@Dividend_Investing2024 there is no mcdonalds or walmart that pays a $60k starting wage. nice try. you're lucky to get half that.
@Dividend_Investing2024 that's great to hear until you hear about the prices of all your everyday items and other things going up a dollar to couple dollars on a daily influx will affect your weekly or biweekly pay schedule drastically when you have a fixed income and that inflation has a pattern for being on an up trend that quietly goes up over night and slightly back down just to go right back up drastically to never actually leveling out to living wages and living expenses being any close to liveable
Toyota should've kept the V8 engine in the tundra
Government regulations pushed them in a different direction.
Any chance the Tundra gets its V8 back? I wouldn’t buy a 6 cyl turbo. Never. I have a 2021 Lexus GX and I won’t trade it for their new 6 cyl ever. I only drive 7k miles a year so I’ll never need another GX.
@Bhatmann well, you can get F150s with a V8. Also, Toyota could have improved the v8 some in combination with a 10 speed auto to get close to the same fuel mileage as their crappy turbo 6 cylinder. Those turbo 6 cylinders don't get that much better fuel economy than the old v8s
All of the customers who were buried by these dealers are out of the market for the next 5-7 years. The dealers were very short sighted but then they’re car dealers so what do you expect?
Government CAFE requirements require better fuel economy.
Nobody wants to be a debt slave
Most people are struggling to buy food, house, and utilities. Crap they can't afford cars/trucks that cost $50k to $100k. That requires jobs that pay over $100k a year and working people dont earn that kind of money and thats 75% to 80% of the people.
they are starting to slash prices. to me at this point, inflation is just greed. covid is over. supply line problems have been fixed. what a mess oems face. buried buyers. 8 percent rates. elimination of low trims. obscene oem prices. let them sit. they will get the message eventually. look at fast food. everyone has a 6 dollar box and a 5 dollar breakfast special coffee and the like. better to make somethink rather then nothing.
Well spoken!!!
@@cordinate81more like 200k to afford a 100k vehicle.
I make 130k and I still think it is stupid to pay 100k for a vehicle.
@@Baebon6259If any vehicle costs more than what I paid for my house they can forget it because mine only cost $75,000 back in 2010.
Last year called my Toyota salesman we wanted a new RAV. He didn't call me back. two weeks later I call again and he couldn't do a darn thing on price for us a repeat buyer. Was still selling over sticker. Bought a Mazda and love it. Actually better quality, price and options.
i see this all the time. toyota and honda being driven over to mazda and subaru. god bless competition. my family had both and they are both good cars.
Mazda is quite good. Congrats
Toyota dealers mark up everything, Mazda is more fairly priced, you can get below MSRP.
Mazda uses some Toyota engines 😗👍🏻
Many people sleep on Mazda
Recently had a terrible experience at a Toyota dealer in Phoenix. They weren’t interested in letting us test drive any of the vehicles we were actually interested in purchasing. So we went down the road to another dealer. That will be our first and last experience with that dealer.
Which dealer? Also in Phoenix and possibly looking to buy ….
@ Right. Bell Lexus couldn’t have been a better experience.
The bottom end are the same in the hybrids, it speaks volume that they did not recall the hybrid truck. They are only case by case. It's a race to the bottom just like Nissan and Mopar. No one trust them.
That's EXACTLY what to do. It's your money 👍
My worst experience at dealerships has always been Toyota and Subaru. They act so superior as if they are doing you a favor.
As my Dad would say, " It's the screwing they get for the screwing they gave".😊
how do u see this playing out?
"What goes around, comes around"
@@subaruamazon through dealership bankruptcies. we could all use a good laugh.
No V8 = no new Tundra for me, No V6 = no new Tacoma for me either. Instead of replacing my 10 year old Tacoma this year, I'm learning to work on it myself. Bet I can get another 20 years out of it.
If they had life time turbo replacements with loaner truck, no way to violate the warranty and the price was 1/4 less, maybe...
Thats always the answer bro … you don’t need all these new gizmos … just brings new problems
@@ericblust5923 There's more than the turbo that fails, especially when the turbo fails.
I couldn't say it any better myself. No turbo for me!
@@cageordie turbos shorting the life of a car and they are a small fortune to replace.
I would prefer naturally aspirated engines over turbo engines any day of the week.
Agreed, not buying to race, don't need 300 HP
Turbos are just one more thing that can break. I would prefer a naturally-aspirated six over a turbo four.
“There’s no replacement for displacement.”
@@MichaelM2K23 That's old boomer technology. Boosted 4 and 6 cylinders are stomping out the V8's and other N/A cars for good reason.
@@egregiousblunder5395 I know the phrase usually applies to racing, but I’m talking about reliability.
Name one thing being better made nowadays. You can't. Everything is getting crappier...music, cars, food.
Weed
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That is the effect of socialism that metastasizes throughout the system.
@ganymeade5151 it's not socialism, that's just people being cheap. Time and time again the consumer shows that they don't want to pay for quality. It's why so many car brands suck and there are only a few good ones like Honda, Lexus and Toyota
@@bsgvlog5640
They built better cars in 2000-2015 and adjusted for inflation, still were cheaper.
It isn’t just a consumer problem. The market is distorted. The cars today cost more and engineering and manufacturing quality went down to maximize profitability.
Car loans and mortgages have destroyed the middle class.
Trump .. gonna kill America 🇺🇸 it's coming 😂
All by design
I have had a car loan since 2003, I just buy my used vehicles private party, hopefully wrecked and inexpensive. 😂
Thank you, Biden ministration for screwing our economy up when Trump left it to you. It was great. God bless Donald Trump thank God he’s coming back.
The middle class is great at destroying itself. Nobody is forcing anyone to finance a $50K car or truck. Anyone complaining while they have extra cars, boats, ATVs, Harleys, or other toys sitting in the garage need to look in the mirror for the cause of thier problems. People trying to buy happiness with the latest and greatest because they feel they “deserve” it. 1-K cell phones, $200 /mo. cable/subscription streaming services, $6 lattes, 2500 sq-ft houses, 70-inch TVs… The list goes on and on.
Unfortunately all new cars are garbage these days. I won’t be buying one any time soon 🤦🏼
Facts...those are 💯 facts
Thank the climate morons.
For every one of you, there are thousands who will negative equity into a new car.
Agreed
seems like this mess is a slow grind down for the stealerships and oems. stealership and oems are slow to cut prices.
Even Toyota is trying to push ridiculously expensive Trucks on folks. We don't have that kind of money, and even if we did who would pay it? Not me.
It's not toyota corp in Japan it's the American toyota dealership
Many did when the interest rates were 1.5%.
Even if I can afford it I don't want to buy these overpriced cars. I'd rather save up so I retire early and get out of putting up with toxic workplaces.
True. V8 is a great engine. My 2004 Sequoia 225,000 miles, it's running great, never failed.
2005 Sequoia 311k. Still running strong
As Dave Ramsey says; that thump you hear when you drive your new car off the car lot onto the highway is a $10,000 lost on your vehicle before you drive 15 feet.
love him. paid the last two used cars in cash. both in 4 to 5k range. am happy with both.
They used to call it Busting Bugs - referring to when you take delivery of a new vehicle and drive it off the lot - and when you take that big hit in the resale value of that vehicle.
Thats what happens when you lose touch with your customer base. I was loyal to Toyota for 25 years because of the reliability. Take away that bullet proof reliability and you're no different than Mitsubishi or Nissan. My next car will be a mazda and ill never buy another Toyota
Bruh, its a first model year truck. These v6 turbos will be reliable.
@C4B2353 Not as reliable. Put a turbo on anything and it's instantly not as reliable
@@bIgMiKeObAmNa The Hilux has had a turbo in it for a while now.
The economy still sucks!! Interest rates are high , cost of living is high. Car builds aren’t the same quality as 10 years ago.
Yea and it's about to get worse.
All Manufacturers are killing Consumers with Price and Turbos. I don't want a Turbo.
An SR5 used to be the go to for the Tacoma. Not at 45k.
I disagree a turbo on small cars is a blast to drive but I rather have a V8 or 6 for a truck.
Expensive fix down the road@@onemilkyway
wait, no one wants to buy a $60k truck that'll blow up before it's first oil change?
🤣😂🤣
I know you’re not talking about that v6. 😂
Absolutely.
You would think the dealers would start discounting, but they got a taste of blood a couple years ago with their high prices
Someone please tell dealers that we are post-COVID and there’s no reason to mark up their vehicles anymore. They aren’t in short supply now.
Love it. I used to get a new vehicle every couple/few years. I have a 2020 Tundra that I plan on driving into the ground. Prices have become unrealistic. I want the dealers to feel pain for all the gouging they have done in the past.
All of 19 /2020 I tried to get any tundra I could . Now that I’m older 36 it sucks I have 815 credit score and can’t afford a v8 truck probably the rest of my life . Same with a damn muscle car , I really like the new disgustangs , them new 5.0 are wicked 10:50
@@JamieFaux-qi6ip I thought I paid too much for it in 2019! I paid OTD $48kish (SR5 off road pkg). I don't feel so bad anymore. I've put 65k miles on it. Barely broke her in!
Bought a new 2020 DC Sport for $39K OTD. Not only do I not want to spend $60K-$70K for a new one but with all the QC + reliability issues on top of not wanting a V6 turbo, I’m driving mine into the ground. I’ve been a 35 year Toyota fanboy, 3 Tundras, 2 Camrys, a Tacoma, never even visited another dealer. Next go around I’ll be shopping other vendors. Toyota lost its price / reliability / quality advantage. It was a good run. Now the party is over, it’s 6am, nothing but empty bottles on the floor, time to clear my headache and start a new day.
2020 Toyota tundra? Brother you have one of the most reliable engines ever made in that truck, they can go 500k miles with bad maintenance, 900k+ miles with good maintenance, that truck is priceless nowadays, if I was you i would keep it forever.
@@erickgomez1798 had a ‘13 Tundra Limited upgraded to the 2020 thinking that it’ll hold me over till the next gen came along. Didn’t care for the next gen when it came out. I only drive ~8K / yr, so yeah it could be my last truck. Don’t care about all the fancy instrumentation / status of a new truck, my dogs don’t care either!
My son has the new 1794, nice, but, ehh!, it’s a completely different truck, not for me. You are right, the 2020 just might be my last truck.
In 91 payed 10 k cash for a dodge Dakota. And 54 k for a 1200 sq ft all brick home on onr INCOME at 9 dollars a hour.
Smaller engine + turbo = higher BMEP for equal power output. Higher BMEP = less reliability. Greater pressure is harder on pistons, pins, rings, bearings. Shorter lifespan.
34k for a camry, when your done signing, closer to 38k, ridiculous
But it has a real transmission 😗
damn 38k OTD got me into a 2023 Tacoma SR5.
Let's all stand together and hold out. Numbers dont lie but dealerships do.
They did it to themselves, All the car dealers. jacking up prices when we can afford it the least. To each their own.
the s*&t is certainly hitting the fan. obscene adm's. 8 percent rates. oems jacking up car prices. oems eliminating lower trim models. stealerships and banks allowing buyers to be buried. crappy economy with no one having money. it is the perfect storm for oem/stealerships.
The newer car prices are out of reach for the average person,these car manufacturers just do not get it.
It's the whole process. Materials to build vehicles are higher now.
Our dealerships haven't had Rav4's for years, bought a CX-5.
seem to be a trend i have seen over and over again.
can't go wrong with a Mazda, CX5 is a nice affordable vehicle
I am going to check out Mazda!
Rip your resale value
I keep my cars. My last car wash 25 years old.
I don’t want to be in debt. Im enjoying my life debt free if i buy a $50-$60k new car i will be in debt and a car payment plus car insurance will be around $700/month. That is a lot of money. Now im only paying for insurance
Not $700 but $1000 with insurance!
Yep. People need to consult their insurance companies before they buy anything. EV's and vehicles with panoramic sunroofs are extremely expensive to insure.
A car gets you from A to B. Who wants to take out huge debt for that.
Still driving a 2007 Toyota Matrix 1.8L 146,000 kms in snowbelt Alberta no issues.
07 camry 153k. had some repairs i was surprised about. bought it in 18 with 106k. first camry. lower control arms. fuel pump valve gasket repairs - twice. front bearings. engine 100 percent. tranny 100 percent. will drive this into the ground. i have the famous oil burner. u have perhaps one of the best engines they ever made. drive it into the ground. I sure am.
2007, you barely drive that car, my 2006 jeep liberty 460K, my 2008 ford expedition 340K, our Honda hrv 160K miles, but we do live in the countryside.
@@jorgeposadas1192 i live outside of gotham nyc. used to rent cars for work. been using this since covid a lot. i say i can get 250 to 300k as the second owner. change oil every 4k.
My friend has the Pontiac Vibe which he picked up used for a cheap price.
We have a 08 matrix with 212,000 miles and a 05 corolla with somewhere near 380,000. Odometer stopped counting at 299,999. Both have the same engine and never had a problem with either of them other than a water pump
I'll be driving my '90s car 10 years from now. 20 years from now probably. With all the trash they're adding to vehicles these days, and how ridiculously difficult they are to work on, I'm sticking with what's simple. Cheap Mitsubishi, and no car payments. Everyone else can buy crazy. Some of us will stick with maintaining our rides for the long haul.
Crazy how fast the Toyota loyalists just ran away from the new Tundra. I'll give them props for voting with their money when Toyota goes against what they want. This is especially true with the v6 Tacoma.
They probably thought that they could shove this garbage down people's throats and they would buy it anyways. Looks like that was foolish.
I'd actually be fine with 4 cylinder but no turbo. Not racing.
People were loyal to Toyota because they created very reliable vehicles. My daily vehicle is a 2011 rav4 v6. I do not intend to replace it anytime soon...
@@stephanebaribeau7465 camry 4cyl here. how many miles? sixes are sweet.
@@subaruamazon Yeah a small suv like the 2011 rav4 with a v6 is so fun to drive. I'm only at 99k kilometers / 62k miles because I use my other vehicle for long travels. In 13 years of ownership i've had only 2000CAD in repairs.
Bought a new 2025 corolla LE for 22,150 and the otd was 24,362. Tell 10 dealers you want this otd price and at least 3 will get back to you. You can honestly beat it if you have a week to really stretch them. Especially the last week of the month. Good luck 🙏
It's all about the price and interest rates plain and simple. People can't afford 1,500+ monthly payments.
Too many "features", too much tech, too much expense, not enough reliability.
If it was a naturally aspirated inline 6 with throttle by cable, no screens, and real analog gauges I would consider it. But unfortunately those days are gone. So I'll just keep rebuilding older vehicles.
I suggest buying any older "workhorse vehicle, basic as possible, the one that can't break because a huge recall would bankrupt the company, Corolla, Mx-5, or similar.
I just sold my 2007 Ram Cummins 5.9 manual trans for $6K less than I paid for it in Oct. 06. $230K. I didn't need a big truck anymore.
Regular customers want a simple and affordable car
The young people thrive on technology though.
That's right! I'm an oldie and totally forgot that we have a new generation now
Customers who are smart.
Agreed. Trouble is, this costly (forced) transition to electric vehicles is forcing automakers to raise prices on ICE vehicles to pay for this. Matters only get more problematic when customers then don't buy these electric vehicles.
Chinese auto makers seem to be the only ones who will acknowledge this.
everyone where I am at has major mark downs, even ford has cut prices here F-150s are now with 10k off on them putting them in the 40s and the maverick and rangers are in the 25k range, Chevy are doing the same thing they are trying to get rid of stock do to 25s are rolling in. Just no one is buying at all.
not here in Florida
@ I am just saying what they did here in Texas is all
Just quit making everything so complicated, and then they won't be so expensive, and then they won't be so hard to finance and then the insurance cost won't be so high😢😢
The jig is up. People are avoiding high prices across the board.
Its simple math. People simply can’t afford these new vehicles. Im a mechanic by trade. I am booked out 6 weeks with work. People are choosing to keep their older vehicles and maintain and repair them vs going out and buying new for one simple reason. Its just cheaper for them….
26k for a corolla or a civic is crazy, i remember when those were like 15k new.
Yeah inflation my ass. Inflate our salaries and we will think about it😅
This truck recall is a systemic problem. Who in their right mind would buy one with all their present problems, not to mention price?
$6k off a $40k truck priced at nearly $70k, with an untrustworthy engine due to a lack of transparency in what was wrong in the first place... and therefore probably still is. Locally I can get a Tundra SR5 for $50k, but it's still too much for what it is. I can get an F-150 STX crew 5.0 v8 for $47k4 before negotiating. If I could buy a new 1993 Civic hatch for my wife then she'd be very happy. They were fast enough, economical, and reliable. What are Honda offering? 200hp hybrid with CVT. That's two technologies we will not give them money for. We are not buying a CVT and we are not buying a hybrid. CVTs are garbage, so that rules out the Corolla. Toyota has even managed to make a poor quality manual for the Tacoma... as well as weak strut mounts and very suspect front axles. So what are we to do? My wife might end up with a Golf GTI. If I could separate my friend from the 7.3 diesel F250 manual 4x4 he has sitting on his ranch with a bad engine I would have that refurbished and just sidestep the current market. Probably for the rest of my life.
i would avoid tundra like the plague. even domestic trucks are crap. fords are ok no?
this wild rollercoaster economy since 2020 ends in total collapse.
decades of corruption and greed ends badly.
I've seen a few dealerships here in Florida now changing hours and closing all together on Sundays.
That stoped Sell on Sunday blowup on Monday 😂
They're always closed on Sundays. Reason? Banks are closed.
@@jev2867not true. A lot of dealers open on Sundays. Financing decisions all done in an algorithm for most part. Lots of the offices open on Sundays too. Purchased last two vehicles on a Sunday
It's not just the over priced Tundra, it's the interest rate as well
I would never buy a ram because I bought One previously. That's all the lesson I needed. But, I have a second reason now. I'm not entirely sure that Stalintis or whatever the name is , will be in business a year from now.
They will sell it just as Daimler did.
Ridiculous prices for the rich, not working middle class!
My 2016 Audi A3 2.0 Quattro bought new is a total POS. 2 water pumps, 2 fuel pumps, 1 electronic parking brake motor, 1 complete transmission later. Out over $15k. Can’t wait to get rid of this money pit
chances are someone told you to avoid that and buy a toyota... but you didn't listen
I'll buy it money pit for $3k 😂😂😂😂
camry owner. i dont hear good things about audi and they are a fortune to fix. what is ur next car?
I drove Audis form 1982 until 2000. Glutton for punishment. They are a blast to drive and last forever if you keep fixing them but they cost a fortune after a few years. Switched to Toyota in 2000 and it was like night and day in terms of maintenance. Going from one of the worst cars for maintenance to one of the best was dramatic. Toyota cars are boring but that's what I needed in that stage of life.
@@movdqa i agree. i bought a camry in 07 and have been talking about a stang for seven years. bought one in 22. 01 stang conv auto. i am happy . it is like a crown vic sports car. audis, vw, bmw, fun to drive but get the heloc ready when they get older. get urself a toy like i did.
2019 I purchased a new Tundra TRD Pro for $55k and I thought that was a kick in the nuts. A new SR5 in my region is $70k today. On top of that we haven’t seen the end of the engine recalls. Expect 2024s to be incorporated as soon as the new year hits. They haven’t resolved the problems.
They made one mistake….they got too greedy….2009 all over again…..
All the auto companies went that way unfortunately
@@CQALiveI bought my 24 Jetta SEL for $27,300 instead of sticker was $31,800 in march just outside chicago. No add ons were forced on me either. 38mpg I love this car. Go check out volkswagen for one of your shows
@@CQALive brandon. great channel. this seems like a slow grind down for oems and stealerships. will there be some kind of climax?
Yeah sell at a massive discount to move inventory and get some cash flow… or close the dealership cause you cant pay the rent on the land.
I will never understand America's fascination with these over sized behemoths. I bought a Dodge truck 25 years ago and if I drove it once a week it was a busy week. These vehicles serve no purpose unless you're offroading or hauling. They handle like crap and they drink gas like crazy. What is it? Is it a Napoleon complex? Penis envy? Please explain.
If you can afford one they guarantee you’re going to get where you want to go, enjoy the safety aspect and to be able to lug stuff around is irreplaceable.
Mostly driven by smaller guys who think they are tougher than the truck.
Agreed
Do you care for livestock?
Do you live in the boonies and haul tons of stuff out to your which is a hour from stores, hospitals, etc!
Do you haul crap needed to fix your home, have kids who move to college or different military bases?
A truck is a necessity for a lot of rural families. Then again, we tend to keep them running for 400K miles.
Plus not a dude.
@@rachelleintexas338 Those are legitimate reasons but lets face it most truck owners are using these monsters as daily drivers. I sit next to them in traffic every day.
If I was considering buying a Toyota Truck (I'm not) even with the Engine and Transmissions fully covered by Warranty, why would I want to chance being stranded in the Winter weather with a broken down new Truck in the middle of no where? It's fine that they are fully covering the Drive Train with Warranty but I would have to go without a vehicle for weeks or more waiting for the Dealer to order and replace the drive train. I'm glad I'm not in the market for one because $6000 off is not enough for a product with a now questionable future.
BTW the 2025 Nissan Versa MSRP is still sub 20K for basic models (approx. $18K base model with standard transmission). Fully equipped its sub $23k for the top of the line SR.
camry here. id buy a frontier or titan but not a nissan car. hear they are junk. toyota and honda slipping too.
Autoworker layoffs are ramping up and that says it all. This weak demand has mechanics swimming in cash by fixing vehicles with high mileage.
Great time for mechanics to ask for a raise.
Or fixing the new car defects.
@@TLaw44I wish my hubby would, 36 years at the same very very busy shop. 😊
Nissan Titan is the best truck made and cheaper with a v8..
i hear frontiers are very good. camry owner here.
No longer made....
Used to be. Nissan is dropping the Titan. ☹️
@@JBM425 67,000 mostly trouble-free miles, 5yr 100,000 mile warranty when new. They still have some new Titans out there I expect. VK-56 390 HP natural aspirated V-8. Loose power steering line and a defective clutch fan only issues in 6 years, both covered under warranty.
My '19 normally aspirated Tacoma works fine and hasn't needed anything beyond tires, brakes, and oil changes. Over 90k miles so far and it feels like it's just starting to get broke in. I'm keeping that truck as long as I can. Most people that use trucks just want simple, reliable, and affordable trucks. We don't need all the extra crap.
I drive a 2016 Tundra that I use on weekends to pull my camper. I was considering buying a new Tundra as mine is approaching 150k miles, but there is no way that I would buy a v6 even if it didn't have engine problems. I will just keep what I have and drive it until it gives up.
Close to 2 years ago when the new Tundra’s came out, I loved them. I started looking at a TRD Pro..did 6 months of research, was happy with paying MSRP, then started to look.
I live in central Texas. I started a spreadsheet of all the dealers within 200 miles of me. I contacted 80 dealerships, not a single one was willing to sell to me for MSRP. The lowest I found was over $90k. I also couldn’t find any dealership that wasn’t adding a bunch of unnecessary dealer add-ons. After 6 months of looking for a dealership that wasn’t scamming people, I chose to take my money elsewhere. I spent $130k on a 97 Land Rover defender and did a frame off restoration on it, and know I know where every bolt came from, and I chose what I wanted. The dealership model has to go.
I can’t believe anyone is selling their cars/trucks at these prices, especially when people need to finance them too.
At much higher interest rates compared to pre-COVID, too.
I don’t want a 2024 Tundra V6 turbo for 60k.
I want a 2004 4.7L V8 for 8k 🤷🏽♂️
Paid $28,500 for my 2003 Tundra 4.7L, 4x4, SR5. Prices are insane currently.
Try prying one out of the hands of someone who has one! We know a good truck when we drive it, mine can't be bought for any price.
I have a 08 Tacoma now just hit 270k. Would love another one but I got priced out. So I keeping it and getting a beater accord for daily driving.
If Toyota took the 5.0L V8 from the Lexus LS 500 and put it in the Tundra they would be sold out.
Not at their current prices.
@ well of course at any of the crazy prices regardless of the brand people are not buying. Throw that out and yes people would buy it like hot cakes.
Our local Nissan dealer in northeast FL is putting their new inventory in the abandoned mall parking lot. They have no room at the dealership.
Same thing with Ram in St.Louis Mo. There is a gravel lot here with at least 100 new trucks. They still want $65+k.
07 camry here. would touch a new nissan or a toyota for that matter lol.
07 camry here. would touch a new nissan or a toyota for that matter lol.
was surprised to read Mazda is now #2 in reliability, behind #1 Toyota and ahead of #3 Honda, plus they have similar SUV models without the ridiculous premium pricing and dealer markups
Perhaps they should make fewer trucks and more cars. All the Prius's that my closest Toyota dealership lists are either "sale pending" or "in-transit". There is nothing on the lot.
Somewhere along the line, Toyota drank the same Kool Aid the other manufacturers did: selling trucks with higher markups was more profitable than selling cars and SUVs. Their mistakes were assuming people would buy trucks in the same quantities as cars, and that people were more than willing to pay a lot more.
I was ready to get a new tundra because of its reliability of their motors. Once I found out they went with a v6, I was out. I tow my boat almost every weekend and I don't wanna play games with a v6, twin turbo or not. I ended up spending more money, but went with a chevrolet 2500HD.
According to the toyota sales numbers on the tacoma, they are selling the same as last year. But at my local dealer last year u might find one or two on the lot. Now they have 45 sitting on the lot. I think toyota is lying on their sales numbers.
Selling to the dealer counts as a sale for toyota Corp. It's why stellantis was doing so well until the lots filled up and the dealers stopped accepting allocatins.
Honda is having engine troubles also.
Local dealer has all their Tundras with 9500 off on the windshield.
Regarding Toyotas my brother lives in the Pacific Northwest. He told me Toyota dealerships there are aggressively marking down vehicles. Meanwhile here in Arizona they haven’t got the message 😳
I don’t know anyone (including a fleet mechanic whose fleet is mostly F150’s) who likes the ecoboost v6 over the 5.0. I can’t see what would cause Toyota to try what ford has already established sux
You are right. It is not affordable.
A lot of us got money but we ain’t spending it
It's a shame that Toyota has followed other OEMs and chose to overproduce expensive pickups while forsaking their bread and butter vehicles like RAV4, Camry and Corolla.
Toyota raising their prices as if everyone now makes 100k min 😂
The only new car that I bought was a 1985 Camry with a manual transmission. It cost $10,000. It’s better to buy a used car. In 2010 I bought a certified used Honda CR-V EX for about $14,500. It’s still doing fine even after an accident that took out the 2 driver side doors. She was 16 and messing around with the radio! 😂 It was repaired. Original transmission and naturally aspirated 2.4. I like to look at the new cars but I wouldn’t buy one!
I'm a buyer at approximately 65% of retail if it comes with a 10 year 140,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty
Dude youre insane! If its not AT LEAST 55% off, a free lift, wheels and tires THEN I’ll consider after seeing if the dealer down the street can do better.
Mitsubishi has really lost their way. They used to make fun, economical, affordable, quick little cars. They really should get back to that.
Mitsubishi used to have great vehicles back in the day: sports cars like the Starion and 3000 GT , sedans such as the Diamonte and Galant among others.
They should all go back to their roots and re learn old lessons.
@@fredjemal3689I remember the 3000. That was a great affordable sports car.
Mitsubishi all but killed themselves when they did the 0-0-0 promotion.
I wouldn’t recommend Mitsubishi. Just traded my 23 eclipse cross. They have extremely bad resale value! Went to a ton of dealers and negotiated my butt off. That 1 yo vehicle lost close to half its resale value in 1 year. I will never go with Mitsubishi again. Lesson learned!
I currently drive a 2014 Tacoma Off Road. It has 86k on it, 3 1/2 " lift with 33" tires. When the 2024 Tundra came out, I was ready to step up , the I learned they killedthe V-8 that killed any possibility of upgrading to a new Toyota Truck. I'll drive my Tacoma till the fenders fall off. Poor management move by Toyota.
The cure for high prices is high prices!
lol. we need to send the sr auto mgmt to macroeconomics 101.
For many years I bought new Toyotas. Yaris, Corolla, Camry, several of them. Then suddenly the prices started skyrocketing and the vehicles became overly technical and full of un-needed crap. The last camry I bought in 2016 and was ready to trade for new. Followed the new Camry, finding a base model at $24,000 in 2024. Then they made them all hybrid for 2025 and said the price would be about $28,000 so I waited. Well, the hybrids are here all right, at no lower than $34,000. Won't be buying new cars anymore. Now I buy 1 owner used directly from the owner .
My local Toyota dealership is similar to what you just described. I was last at the dealership two weeks ago and there were huge numbers of trucks. A number of Highlanders. One Sienna. No RAV4s. A couple of Camrys, a couple of Corollas and a few Corolla SUVs. I see that their webpage has about 15 Camrys on their website right now but it's unclear if those are actually on the lot or "in transit". They list two models for $29K which I am sorely tempted on. The most I've ever paid for a car is $25K and that's what my 2018 Camry cost. I think that there were incentives back then too. I am willing to pay $29K for a Camry but I am curious if incentives are coming. I have never seen market adjustments at this dealerships, though, but they do add equipment addons. Right now, they have two models without the addons. Most of the other Camrys listed are AWD, XLE or XSE. Those are mostly about $36K to $44K. It seems to me as if they are testing the market with the range of prices to get a sense of what people want.
If they offered 10% off a $29K Camry, I'd pull the trigger and write them a check for it. I bought my 2000 Avalon, 2012 Camry and 2018 Camry from that dealership and have had them serviced there so they know that I'm not going to go to any other dealership to buy it from. They have a long-term captive customer and I've been a cash buyer when I'm there. So this video is quite interesting to me. My current cars are the 2012 and 2018 Camrys and I actually have no need to buy a new car. I keep them both well-maintained and it helps having a spare car if one needs work.
07 camry here and i sold cars in college. i have been driving buy my jersey shore toyota dealership. all summer. only saw one camry and it was gone in a few days. just went down this week from northern nj and saw 7 carmys and a ton of other inventory. oems are jacking the price up. I would drive buy from time to time. I would offer 1000 over invoice. have to understand cars cost a lot from the oem's. 30k car they may have 28 into it. se and le are hot because they are camry and lower level. offer them 1000 over invoice. any dealership installed options should be at cost even though no one wants them. or open ur radius. get on the phone and call around. email too. if you can get a le or se for 28 to even 32 , that isnt bad. it is a broken economy and a broken car market. nothing makes sense. I would have problems buying new as well perhaps. expand ur radius and call around. is that confusing enough? lol.
@@subaruamazon No, I understand completely what you were saying. Expanding my radius would mean either asking a dealership that I won't do business with or going out-of-state and going out-of-state has its own headaches. For now, I'm letting the price come to me.
@@movdqa if u can keep abreast of when the se or le's hit the lot i would then jump in. if you can save thousand by buying elsewhere, do it. why wont u do business with another dealership who is fair. a warranty is a warranty. dont let sales intimidate u by threatening lousy service. that is bs. we used to do that when i sold cars in college. well mgmt did.
Loving the it's over videos would be nice to see you do a live QA at home.
I don't have the luck to gamble if I had the money the gamble on a Tundra just isn't worth it.
hey if i want to gamble, i ll go to AC and play black or red.
The vehicle market has inverted. Can remember years ago not wanting to buy used because of reliability concerns. Now it is the new vehicles that are a perceived reliability risk and those old V8 beaters look like the safe choice. Consumers don't want to be the beta testers for downsized turbo drivetrain experiments. Too many made that bet and lost big time.
while Toyotas, Hondas, GM and Dodges are all over the news because of all those recalls , on MB, BMW side has been pretty quiet lol …
All hail the B58..
BMW is actually up there as far as reliability. There updated b58 and 48 are good engines
German cars are junk
@@paulhenry913German is junk
BMW- Big Money Waster!
MB- Money Burning!
Also, VW has 0 financing on the Tiguan's for 2024, and there's tons on lots. I know it's a VW, but you can get a new car with a warranty under 30K with zero financing charges. Low ball 10 dealerships, you will get a S model for 26K.
Twin Turbo is a BIG NO for me. I own two tundras.
Supply vs demand. Demand is low and they will eventually lower prices. But it won’t happen until they lay ppl off. Maybe close a few places. Do everything they can before they lower prices.
A big price correction is coming…
Tacoma, Tundra made in Mexico, over priced, poor quality, poor reliability. Koji Sato please resign. They should have kept the company run by family.
Akio Toyoda is still at Toyota but as a chairman of the board of directors it is a high level position.
Akio is now 68 and is getting old to be a day to day CEO and fly to each country.
I’m going to get a bumper sticker saying “Don’t buy a Toyota Tacoma” mines was leaking water from the top brake light and it had so much mold under my seats when I found out, that Toyota had to keep the truck for six months to get rid of the mold and never compensated me.
historically people would bend over backwards to pay way more for a Toyota cause they last forever. now that they made their trucks just as crappy as the other guys
camry owner. i say they fix it like the truck frame. however, this covid/train wreck of an economy makes things worse for toyotas. why would u buy a truck with fatal engine flaws.
Those RAV4 XSE were going for $50k used in LA. I refused to pay that much. Glad cars are finally dropping in price.
Will drive my vehicles until the wheels come off.
07 camry amen.
People want the V8. We don’t want a V6 Tundra. We accept a V6 in the Tacoma because it is the small truck of Toyota. In the big truck, it has to be V8 or larger