The best part of this scene was when he wasn't saying anything. He was just sitting there, communicating that he was in deep thought, concentrating on what Helen just told him. You can actually see him putting 2 and 2 together in his mind to draw a conclusion that no one considered until that moment. Without speaking. Outstanding acting.
"Heil Bloody Hitler..." In this movie that was all it took to decipher Enigma. The Germans were so formal (as dictated by the Nazi command) in their communications that it caused them to screw themselves. On the opposite side of things the U.S. used the Wind Talkers (Native Americans) because the language was not written and passed generation to generation.
Y'know Welsh was also used by the British as a code language in the war - they had to abandon Welsh though during the Falklands War since the Patagonians in Y Wladfa, Argentina can also speak Welsh.
@@Jeremy-ed7fy They were winning regardless because they knew the german plan of attack before each battle because they were told it by Blechley park before hand; Normandy, El Alemain, Battle of Kursk, Battle of the Atlantic and many others. Technology had a big part to play as well on the seas.
@@sandydennylives1392 The whole war was stage-managed, none of the nations were actually at war. Churchill went bankrupt in the 30s (as Trump did in the 90s) and sold his soul for money and power, but was a pawn, as was Hitler and Stalin, all pawns for entities that seek to eradicate mankind, especially through killing faithful men. And that's who won the war. But let's call it a battle, because the war rages on.
It's an amazing scene, but obviously not true to life. People don't typically have epiphanies in bars and, if they're codebreakers, don't give so much away (like Alan knowing that the first letters must be random. But in spite of this, it is wonderful storytelling and I love this scene and how it plays out later, when they realize that breaking the code is not enough.
"People don't typically have epiphanies in bars" - well people often tend to find solutions in unlikely places when they're NOT thinking too hard about the problem - there's a reason why it's a cliche that people have sudden realisations in the shower. Hell, Archimedes famously had his "Eureka!" moment when he was just about to take a bath, to the point where he literally ran around the streets of Syracuse stark naked screaming it.
The idea is made sensational, but anyone familiar with layman maths realise how exponentially complex a code becomes the longer and varied it is. For example, you could have all humans that hae ever lived shuffle a 52 carddeck since the dawn of *time* and still not even get close to all 52-cardcombinations.
So really liked this scene but after watching it I still have no idea how Turing came to the conclusion that he did. Any code savvy people want to break it down for me?
She told him how the German uses CILLY every time so she definitely knows it's him. Alan realized that the weather report uses H. Hitler at the end every time. So if you can crack how they code H. Hitler, you can begin to figure out the key. You already know two words for sure each and every day at 6 am.
Sure: This is a slightly over-simplified example of a Known Plaintext Attack. What Alan was trying to do originally with Enigma is to search through every letter combination to try and find one that 'works', which is very difficult. So, let's assume I have an encrypted string lwithxhb and I know plaintext output is 'weather', I can then run the analysis on the encrypted string and disregard all results that don't give the output of 'Weather'. Once I have a result that gives the correct result, I can then use that same process on other encrypted strings to which I don't know the plaintext output. In the case where there are multiple ways to achieve the output correctly, I can then evaluate those ways further on the other encrypted messages to see if they produce a legible message or gibberish. In the case of the Movie, they use 'Weather' and 'Heil Hitler' as the known phrases, in reality they also used other things, such as the names of ships, the actual weather reports themselves, common phrases 'Nothing to report'. Furthermore, there were numerous cases in WW2 where the Allies would deliberately do something known, in order to have the Axis report on it. In the UK, this was often getting the RAF to drop Sea Mines in an area (since the area was known to both sides, this would give a plaintext location), in the US, there was one attack where the location was a Japanese Code name - that the US had narrowed down to 3 locations, each location sent a slightly different report (Short of Fuel, Short of Food, Short of Water IIRC) and then when the Japanese indicated the location was short of water, they knew which one. TL;DR - If you know what an encrypted message is meant to say, it makes working out the Encryption method a lot easier.
Doctor Strange and Elizabeth Swan and rest were trying to break a code to win the war against Germany. Then Doctor Stephen Strange broke up with Elizabeth Swan and became a master of illusions and Elizabeth fell in love with Will Turner
He didn't particularly break it with 'CILLY', but in this case it gave him the idea that his Bombe (called Christopher in the film) didn't have to search for every single setting Enigma produced. Instead, they could input something known as a crib, basically a bit of plaintext you know, or think you know, into the Bombe. This means it only has to search through settings that produce that particular result and will then stop at that point. I hope that helps you!
@@PainandMotivation My apologies, the machine with the spinning drums in the film that is called Christopher, is actually known as a Bombe. A Bombe, simply put, goes through each and every possible setting of the Enigma machine and because of the idea of knowing some of the message i.e. CILLY, it has to do far fewer searches and will eventually reach a stop (possible solution).
One of the operators was supposed to send out a random string of letters to make sure he was online. Unfortunately the operator only pressed the 'L' key over and over to generate the random string of letters, which let the British have a very good look at the Enigma settings for that day. (Wikipedia -> "Cryptanalysis of the Enigma" -> "Operating Shortcomings" -> look for Mavis Lever)
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The performance of Benedict Cumberbatch is at the level of a genious, nobody could play the role of Alan Turing like him.
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@Roberto LH • I agree. Well said.✔
@@Code_breaker_ Im sorry, alredy fixed. Cheers from Mexico.
The best part of this scene was when he wasn't saying anything. He was just sitting there, communicating that he was in deep thought, concentrating on what Helen just told him. You can actually see him putting 2 and 2 together in his mind to draw a conclusion that no one considered until that moment. Without speaking. Outstanding acting.
Except Alan turing, who would have played him so well you wouldn't have known whether he was a machine or not
I love how Hugh caught up with what Alan was thinking in seconds... Great minds think similar
He just has a little bit of input lag ;)
Talking with someone you’ve never met through instant messages. Social media actually almost existed back then
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Yeah, it ALOMST existed back then. SMFH
I'm pretty sure she was intercepting the messages, they weren't talking to each other.
@@acolytetojippity so basically YT, but comments disabled. 🤷♂️😆
@@x808drifter SMFH at ALOMST. FFS.
"Heil Bloody Hitler..." In this movie that was all it took to decipher Enigma. The Germans were so formal (as dictated by the Nazi command) in their communications that it caused them to screw themselves. On the opposite side of things the U.S. used the Wind Talkers (Native Americans) because the language was not written and passed generation to generation.
The Japanese had the same problem too.
I remember learning that 20 years ago watching the X-files, Navajo was an UN-broken code during ww2
Y'know Welsh was also used by the British as a code language in the war - they had to abandon Welsh though during the Falklands War since the Patagonians in Y Wladfa, Argentina can also speak Welsh.
Amazing scene!
Best scene in the movie!!!
I love how they all run off like they are the Avengers hahahahaha
Never seen people run before huh...
well, one kind of was. another was the smartest man on earth, and a third ended up a pirate captain.
The epiphany that saved civilization as we know it.
The Soviets would've won, regardless.
No, the Allies were winning regardless, but it saved millions of lives by ending the war sooner
@@Jeremy-ed7fy You do realize the Allies INCLUDES the Soviets right??? Or are you just dumb.
@@Jeremy-ed7fy They were winning regardless because they knew the german plan of attack before each battle because they were told it by Blechley park before hand; Normandy, El Alemain, Battle of Kursk, Battle of the Atlantic and many others. Technology had a big part to play as well on the seas.
@@sandydennylives1392 The whole war was stage-managed, none of the nations were actually at war. Churchill went bankrupt in the 30s (as Trump did in the 90s) and sold his soul for money and power, but was a pawn, as was Hitler and Stalin, all pawns for entities that seek to eradicate mankind, especially through killing faithful men. And that's who won the war. But let's call it a battle, because the war rages on.
What an exciting pivot! :)
I want the one where she smiles at him and doesn’t look back at him scene
Stands up in the bar WE HAVE JUST CRACKED THE GERMAN CODE!
Good point.
Alan Turing, the REAL Code breaker ! Legend ! ✔
You know what the difference is between a genius and a 'normal' person? Genius mind is 'always on'.
@ScruffyGaming • I think you are right on with that !
@@Code_breaker_ You two aren't very bright. You've no idea what you're talking about.
My favorite part f this movie!
It's an amazing scene, but obviously not true to life. People don't typically have epiphanies in bars and, if they're codebreakers, don't give so much away (like Alan knowing that the first letters must be random.
But in spite of this, it is wonderful storytelling and I love this scene and how it plays out later, when they realize that breaking the code is not enough.
"People don't typically have epiphanies in bars" - well people often tend to find solutions in unlikely places when they're NOT thinking too hard about the problem - there's a reason why it's a cliche that people have sudden realisations in the shower. Hell, Archimedes famously had his "Eureka!" moment when he was just about to take a bath, to the point where he literally ran around the streets of Syracuse stark naked screaming it.
@@Justice237 You've just proven his point.
The idea is made sensational, but anyone familiar with layman maths realise how exponentially complex a code becomes the longer and varied it is. For example, you could have all humans that hae ever lived shuffle a 52 carddeck since the dawn of *time* and still not even get close to all 52-cardcombinations.
Exactly. The combinations are 52! (52 x 51 x 50 x 49 x 48 x 47 x 46 ..... x 3 x 2)
cilly also is a modern paronomasia in the A: Always B: Be C: Cilly pun-joke. Silly was Cilly.
Tom and Lucy before they met in Downton Abbey
So really liked this scene but after watching it I still have no idea how Turing came to the conclusion that he did. Any code savvy people want to break it down for me?
She told him how the German uses CILLY every time so she definitely knows it's him. Alan realized that the weather report uses H. Hitler at the end every time. So if you can crack how they code H. Hitler, you can begin to figure out the key. You already know two words for sure each and every day at 6 am.
Sure:
This is a slightly over-simplified example of a Known Plaintext Attack. What Alan was trying to do originally with Enigma is to search through every letter combination to try and find one that 'works', which is very difficult.
So, let's assume I have an encrypted string lwithxhb and I know plaintext output is 'weather', I can then run the analysis on the encrypted string and disregard all results that don't give the output of 'Weather'. Once I have a result that gives the correct result, I can then use that same process on other encrypted strings to which I don't know the plaintext output.
In the case where there are multiple ways to achieve the output correctly, I can then evaluate those ways further on the other encrypted messages to see if they produce a legible message or gibberish.
In the case of the Movie, they use 'Weather' and 'Heil Hitler' as the known phrases, in reality they also used other things, such as the names of ships, the actual weather reports themselves, common phrases 'Nothing to report'.
Furthermore, there were numerous cases in WW2 where the Allies would deliberately do something known, in order to have the Axis report on it. In the UK, this was often getting the RAF to drop Sea Mines in an area (since the area was known to both sides, this would give a plaintext location), in the US, there was one attack where the location was a Japanese Code name - that the US had narrowed down to 3 locations, each location sent a slightly different report (Short of Fuel, Short of Food, Short of Water IIRC) and then when the Japanese indicated the location was short of water, they knew which one.
TL;DR - If you know what an encrypted message is meant to say, it makes working out the Encryption method a lot easier.
@@MajesticDemonLord Correct. You've explained it better than I ever could. Also the attack you're referring to was Midway Island.
@@ironknuckle143 "AF is short on fresh water"
Doctor Strange and Elizabeth Swan and rest were trying to break a code to win the war against Germany. Then Doctor Stephen Strange broke up with Elizabeth Swan and became a master of illusions and Elizabeth fell in love with Will Turner
and Dr Strange was aided by Osymanyas from Watchmen movie
While Alexander and Helen were flirting, Turing was figuring out how to solve Enigma
Your point?
I always turn this movie off after the heroic moment - but, this is a most fun scene!.
That brunette certainly gives Keira Knightley a run for her money. She's fit.
Tuppence Middleton, best known for Sense8 as Riley Blue, but also known for the Downton Abbey movie as Lucy Smith. She is a very good actress.
the look at 1:01, "you idiot", lol
How did Alan break the code using Cilly? Because I do not know. Can someone explain to me please.
es schränkt die Kombinationen ein, um den Code zu knacken, dumm
He didn't particularly break it with 'CILLY', but in this case it gave him the idea that his Bombe (called Christopher in the film) didn't have to search for every single setting Enigma produced. Instead, they could input something known as a crib, basically a bit of plaintext you know, or think you know, into the Bombe. This means it only has to search through settings that produce that particular result and will then stop at that point.
I hope that helps you!
@@bomber7837 Huh? Bombe? What you said did not make it any clearer.
@@PainandMotivation My apologies, the machine with the spinning drums in the film that is called Christopher, is actually known as a Bombe. A Bombe, simply put, goes through each and every possible setting of the Enigma machine and because of the idea of knowing some of the message i.e. CILLY, it has to do far fewer searches and will eventually reach a stop (possible solution).
@@bomber7837 What about the girlfriend part? Can you explain that?
why didnt they use the code in the first place? it's like trying to break someone's password but not used 1234. still a really good scene tho
C - click
I - click
L - click
L - click
Y - click
Were the operators lazy, stupid, arrogant, or did they do it on purpose?
Interesting question. I think we'll never know for sure but both scenarios sound plausible. Maybe some did it on purpose and some were just careless
Yes
One of the operators was supposed to send out a random string of letters to make sure he was online. Unfortunately the operator only pressed the 'L' key over and over to generate the random string of letters, which let the British have a very good look at the Enigma settings for that day. (Wikipedia -> "Cryptanalysis of the Enigma" -> "Operating Shortcomings" -> look for Mavis Lever)
daymn the side chick is way hotter
tuppence middleton... Thank me later
@@sundharesanmohan2816 @harryy000 Nah
Kiera Knightly is hotter
Love or lust?
Alan Turing being socially smooth again ! ! ! ( NOT ) 😶 😆 💀
Code breaker no no no no no no no no no you must shut up
I suspect that this movie is somewhat historically inaccurate.
That is lying, not flirting.
:)