One is disillusioned (anderson), the other is disappointed (minchin). One is still friends with and has slight hopes for jesus, the other is already kinda over it
Anderson was very raw and angry too, in a more visceral way. He was in his own league in my opinion, vocally and acting wise, kind of untouchable. This performance is very stiff to me, his voice doesn't seem fully suited to this style of singing and he doesn't really emote much. But hey, y'all seem to be loving it so maybe I'm crazy.
There's definitely a bit of resentment with Minchin's as well. He's frustrated and disappointed with how things have changed, whereas Anderson's performance is much more fearful.
I love Tim as Judas, he’s so easy to empathise with. I remember he said in an interview that Judas gets a bad rep because if God exists then he was manipulated and never had a chance to do anything else, and if God doesn’t exist then he was right and Jesus had gone mad and was going too far and would bring reprisals against the Jewish community
I heard a theory that Judas is actually the most faithful among the disciples. Reason being, despite clearly being a follower of Jesus, his task was something that would be nigh impossible for any of the other disciples, who were willing to even harm others to protect Jesus despite his teachings. Hence, why he ended up hanging himself. But, then again, it's a theory, and it doesn't really change anything but our PoV...
yeah that's a dumb theory. There is a lot of history and contemplation of the dynamic between God and man by Church theologians and atheists understand none of that. They just come to their own conclusions and then shout to each other in their own echo chambers. No honest attempt to understand God has ever been made by an atheist least of all Tim Minchin
"You've begun to matter more than the things you say" is such a hard hitting line when you consider the type of Christians who's moral and political beliefs seem to be completely removed from his messages about helping those less fortunate, not making judgements et cetera. Some use worship of Jesus as a justification for them to legitimise their own bigotry and keeping wealth and power at the top which is completely antithetical to what he is supposed to have said. If he was indeed real and is in the afterlife he must be cringing at what has been done and said by some supposedly in his name.
fun fact: Jesus actually did exist - there are Roman accounts of his existence - but I (an atheist) don't believe he could change water into wine, or could walk on water, or was the son of God. I don't dislike those following a religion but I can't believe it myself, props to those who can!
I dunno. I love Tim Minchin, but I am unimpressed. I have heard local productions that were better. I heard that Minchin was furious when he found out the producers autotuned the singers in this production without the cast's knowledge. EDIT: My ear is not sensitive enough to tell if it was used here. I think not. But I know I would be too angry to do my best if I found out the producers did that previously.
Micro reactions work great in film...he looks like a robot here. I’m not saying it wasn’t a good, but this sequence was terribly directed and choreographed.
I think they used auto tune because of the amount of shows they did, it might've sounded a bit scratchy or something. Tim is really good at conveying emotions through how he sings, but he can't really do that and it sometimes feels like his top part of his arms are stuck to his body.
So they essentially used pitch correction, not because Tim was off-key, but because they wanted to change the notes Tim sung. Like in the death scene, he pours his guts out. However, after they were like, let's make it a pop song! Maybe other people needed bits of it, here and there, but not Tim. E.G. F Sharp's (one of his own songs) punchline wouldn't land without being able to hit the note.
Ugh, I love how Ben closes his eyes and shakes his head when the guitar comes in - when he senses that Judas is about to try to talk some sense into him. Again. And he's so tired This is such a tiny expression, but it's one of my most beloved of Ben's from this performance - along with how he spits out "What YOU started, I didn't start it" in Gethsemane
Tim is everywhere and it's amazing hes done so many big things like this and Matilda as well as his comedy. I don't think they could've chosen a better person for this role
People can change in 3 years time and be someone else entirely, you wonder if they can relate anymore. No offense but that’s the reason why communication is so important. Sometimes direct questions may lead to direct answers.
You are joking, right? He is head and shoulders the worst Judas I've ever seen. He should stick to comedy. Compare with Carl Anderson or Ben Vereen, (or even Roger Daltrey) and he pales into insignificance. The only thing he has going for him is his current popularity.
We could get into all sorts of debates about best jesus, best judas etc etc, yawn yawn and have 100s different combination opinions. I prefer Tim Minchins portrayal (he said himself) hes not the greatest singer but thats what i like about his performance. Also i never compared him to another judas performance, just that i felt he stood out in this show against the other performers.
I love the acting choices for Tim and Ben. Tim is usually very subtle with his acting choices and doesn't have a lot of movement, he's very expressive with his voice, but not his face. Meanwhile Ben chews the set left and right and is super intense almost all the time. It shows a dichotomy with just their presentation and it's really nice.
I like that they both play them like they're on the verge of a mental breakdown. Usually I've seen Judas being played like a cold hearted villain and Jesus as an always patient and obedient man but Tim and Been played them as two men who are angry and completely desperate while trying to do what they think is right, in some way, even doing so to protect the other from himself. I feel like it's more human and realistic. I love how disappointed Tim sounds in this song, and how furious Ben sounds in Gethsemane, it's a nice change.
@@modwonder1668 Yes I mentioned in response to someone else's comment that that's what I like about, not just about Tim's portrayal but JCS in general. So different to the way it was taught to us in Catholic School.
@@waxy8402 The keffiyeh, particularly in that pattern, are a traditional Palestinian scarf. People wear them now to remember that Palestine is oppressed and her people are suffering under occupation and genocide, and have been for decades. It's important context to remember that during Jesus's time, the region of Galilee (itself the northernmost part of ancient Palestine) was under occupation by Rome, its people were being exploited by the occupiers, and Jesus became a symbol of civil resistance against that occupation. In fact, much of the advice Jesus gave was, in context, about passive and civil resistance than we realise. "Turn the other cheek" was in reference to the fact that Roman soldiers (who tend to be right-handed) will punch an equal in the face, connecting with the left cheek, but will backhand slap someone they consider lesser, connecting with the right cheek. When Jesus says to "turn the other cheek", it is to dare the Roman solider to treat him like an equal, not a second-class citizen. Why? To activate the Jewish citizens of Galilee to demand respect and dignity, and activate the Roman soldiers to remember their conscience, and that the Galileans are people. As I said, many of the instructions are about this, including "going the extra mile" and giving someone the shirt off your back. He didn't want his people to be meek, but to fight back. This is why Judas in this song, as the antagonist, is fearfully asking Jesus to sit down, don't let them be too loud, to not resist -- he fears the Roman violence more than he dares to dream of a free Galilee. As this musical has always been about putting the story through a modern lens with the historical context of people resisting occupation, Judas is wearing the keffiyeh to symbolise his resistance, but at the same time is almost strangled by the weight of it.
"You've begun to matter more than the things you say". Powerful.. and exactly what's wrong with a certain segment of his fan club these days.. who tend to ignore what he said.
Is no one going to mention how cool the aesthetic is?? This show is like if Jesus DID “come today” Down to the homeless tents! I’d love for these guys to post this Jesus must die from this.
My mind is clearer now At last all too well I can see where we all soon will be If you strip away The myth from the man You will see where we all soon will be Jesus! You started to believe the things they say of you You really do believe this talk of God is true And all the good you've done will soon get swept away You've begun to matter more than the things you say Listen Jesus I don't like what I see All I ask is that you listen to me And remember, I've been your right hand man all along You have set them all on fire They think they've found the new Messiah And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong I remember when this whole thing began No talk of God then we called you a man And believe me, my admiration for you hasn't died But every word you say today Gets twisted round some other way And they'll hurt you if they think you lied Nazareth your famous son Should have stayed a great unknown Like his father, carving wood He'd have made good Tables, chairs and oaken chests Would have suited Jesus best He'd have caused nobody harm No one alarm Listen Jesus, do you care for your race? Don't you see, we must keep in our place? We are occupied Have you forgotten how put down we are? I am frightened by the crowd For we are getting much too loud And they'll crush us if we go too far If we go too far Listen Jesus to the warning I give Please remember that I want us to live But it's sad to see our chances weakening with every hour All your followers are blind Too much heaven on their mind It was beautiful but now it's sour Yes it all Gone Sour Listen Jesus to the warning I give! Please Remember that i want us to live! So, Come on Come on He won`t Listen to me Come on Listen Come on and Listen to Me Listen Listen to me Come on and Listen to me Listen to me ME!
I'm developing the same problem! I saw this show when they streamed it last year and was blown away but for some reason this year I've become obsessed!
What an actor. What a role for him lol. What a damn voice. God I love when Tim Minchin sings genuinely, and his expressions on here were all 1000% spot on.
I'm addicted to this song, especially sung by Tim Minchin. When I finally saw this musical online this year it opened my eyes, and I ended up in total support for Judas. It's interesting how a well known story can so easily be turned on its head!
Badass amazingly talented singer and actor. I love the moment at 4:36 where he’s exasperated and does that thing when you’re frustrated af but you smile and sigh at the “He won’t listen to me” and then proceeds to do cool rising vocalization as he walks up the steps. Badass
Tim has NO LIMITS! Just when you think he couldn't possibly get any greater...MORE DIVERSE..he flies OUT of the box we tuck him into and soars with the eagles. ......And he takes US along for the flight....
Little lyric analysis be prepared and forewarned… Judas says first “they think they’ve found a new messiah… and they’ll hurt you when they FIND they’re wrong” but then he says later “and they’ll hurt you if they THINK you’ve lied…” I love this as it shows that he believes Jesus’s message and beliefs but doesn’t think he’s divine, or if he does he doesn’t think it important To him Jesus speaks the truth but he thinks the truth is being bent because of his ego and his message is being forgotten and replaced with just the man and person… and to Judas it’s gone too far
Love this bit of analysis. What good is the message if it gets overshadowed by a cult of personality? You can really hear Judas's fear of being caught in the middle of a mob when it all comes down on his friend -- of losing his friend after all of it. Tim Minchin was the perfect choice for this role.
The part that just kills me is how hard Tim worked on his voice for this production. His voice and technique are dramatically improved here compared to his earlier work (and I absolutely love his earlier work). From some of the other comments, it sounds like they toned down the autotune in this clip, but it's still pretty heavy in places. I don't have an ear for sound editing and I can hear it. I'm sure there's a fair amount of sound editing and subtle autotuning in everything I listen to that I'm not even aware of, but this rises to a level that just makes me sad for Tim.
Autotune is pretty easy to spot when it's applied heavily, basically there is no "in between" between notes, like the difference there is between a slide and stairs.
C'mon, OBVIOUSLY Tim stole this show. No surprise there. I mean, even though the musical is called Jesus Christ Superstar, the person we see the most and maybe even feel greater compassion towards is Judas. It's like Hamilton situation (with Alex kinda being the main guy, but Burr having the most lines and time to shine). Sooooooo.. Yeah. I's not even that Tim stole the show. It WAS his show in the first place))
i was legit thinking about this last night. in history, burr and judas are hated. however, in hamilton and jcs respectively, while they are still an antagonist of sorts, they’re viewed with a lot more sympathy. for burr, id say the songs that allow this are wait for it and the world is wide enough. for judas it’s heaven on their mind, blood money and the song where he commits suicide (i’ve forgotten the name lol)
I bought the DVD of the 2012 arena tour of Jesus Christ Superstar a couple months ago. I love the songs that have been separated out here to showcase Tim Minchin as Judas. This is an amazing performance by an extremely talented man.
This performance thrills me how ever many times I hear it. Tim Minchin is a true musician, his phrasing and perfect pitch is a joy, but his acting skills also show his passion and subtlety. The final bars are a lesson in how to make to make it look easy, when it really ain't. Mel C and Ben were also inspired cast members.
I just love the build up from minor frustration and annoyance into full on panic and dread, really conveys that this isn't the first time Judas has brought this up and has actually tried to have this conversation with Jesus multiple times, being ignored each time and watching things from his perspective just get worse and worse. Tim did a great showing the build up of emotion and desperation in this song
Yes yes I know everyone dislikes the auto tune but can't y'all just appreciate seeing Tim acting this. There is literally a video of Tim singing this free of auto tune y'all could watch instead . I'm here for him 'being' Judas
I am a huge Carl Anderson fan and he will always be my favorite Judas... But, I must say, I do like the way Tim Minchin portrays Judas, it's completely different from Carl but That's what makes it entertaining to watch. Well Done Tim.
Only just saw this show for the first time, Tim is honestly the best thing about this show. He steals it. Everyone is astounding but Tim Minchin really is a scene stealer 😂 My god his voice gives me 90's, early 2000's rock vibes, takes me back to my 13 year old self. Definitely the rockstar of the piece. The guy playing Simon also blew me away! Thrilling this show! 🎸🌟
I first saw Jesus Christ Superstar in1973 as a 14 year old - I've seen every production I've been able to, the 70's movie and I have never, EVER seen a better Judas than Tim Minchin - I'm 61 now and I'm bloody impressed 👍😁 and to think he's an Aussie, makes me proud as 😁
There's people complaining about autotune, then there's me not even noticing it. Tim sounds amazing with or without. One of my favourite Judas performances without a doubt.
@@sparrow8534 Well, that's good. It's a great musical so glad you can enjoy it. I can hardly bear listening to mecha-Judas. I have other recordings I like though so all good.
Love this performance! Minchin is a revelation and Forster is definitely holding his own in the pantheon of the men who've played the Messiah. Also I think in this role Forster bears a strong resemblance to actor Aidan Turner.
Totally agree, I saw the behind the scenes vid for jcs, where the makeup/hair people said they were going fir a Johnny Depp vibe with Ben foresters look fir Jesus. But watching the whole performance, I kept thinking, poldark is playing Jesus.
I listened to backstage interview of this production, (the makeup/hair people), said they were going for a Johnny Depp vibe for the look of Jesus, but I think the wig chosen achieved a Ross Poldark (a character played by Aiden Turner) look.
Tim Minchin is my second favorite Judas, first being Carl Anderson. They both do such a great job, vibrant emotions, realistic portrayals during the musicals, Anderson (to me) just has a larger vocal range that just hits different.
@@thonypetstv3966 From what I have been able to see he is a great singer, energetic dancer, and has stage presence but a little flashy (but it went along with the scene) but I do not feel like I could rate him fairly yet. I have yet to see the live/tv version, only users RUclipss of it, so it could be distorted. True I have only seen TM's RUclipss but they were recorded at a higher quality.
I saw this live in Cardiff when they toured this production. The best thing about it (which this video doesn't quite get over) was the sheer volume - the sound production was more like a rock gig than a typical musical - loud, bass you feel as well as hear etc. Absolutely brilliant show! Oh, and Tim didn't need autotune - it's the imperfections which make a performance perfect and give it some feeling.
as a french person i didn't knew Tim Minchin that i discovered through a spectic channel, but WHAT A VOICE ! and i just love the lyrics ! and now i'm just watching/listening to evey single title from Tim !
I love all the performers, Ben Forster making an astonishing vocal performance and Mel C is really moving with her beautiful voice, but Tim Minchin imajes a brilliant acting and vocal performance, incredibly charismatic and insightful. Thanks for putting this video online.
I thought I had a great deal of respect for Tim Minchin before seeing this, but it turns out I was able to find even more. Much love for this production.
YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WAITED FOR THIS VIDEO I’ve been streaming his version on Spotify but I just reeeealy wanted it on here I screamed This is the best
This is the first time where I'm like... Yea, this guy actually did a really dope preformance when matched with the original. Brings a whole new vibe and I feel it.
Sooo thankful that he has shared all of this during the pandemic! I hope I’m able to help people who are stressed as well with meditation, calm music, and mindfulness. You all matter! Sending healing and peace to everyone ❤️❤️❤️
For the first time in over a decade, Tim will be doing a US tour. He will be here in multiple cities this August. I'm flying to one of those cities to see his performance. That is on my "bucket list!"
This is amazing! I had a bootleg CD of "Jesus Christ Superstar" when I was 12 years old. I couldn't understand a word in English back then, I didn't know what I was listening to but I loved it so much that I listened to it for a whole semester. Now I can understand every word in the lyrics, and the tunes are the same. Something very old and something very fresh at the same time. It's like a time capsule I kept for myself for 20 years. I'm 32 now.
I find this track captivating for many reasons. Mainly when you wake up early in the morning and this song is ringing in your head you know its powerful!!!9
It is not fair that one person should have so much talent. Comedian, pianist and now such singing. Tim Minchin, the man who has it all with some to spare!
PS: Tim Minchin’s new album in dropping Nov 20, 2020: Apart Together. Several tracks are available now. Check iTunes, Apple or others. Apart Together really rips my heart open.
My mind is clearer now. At last all too well I can see where we all soon will be. If you strip away The myth from the man, You will see where we all soon will be. Jesus! You've started to believe The things they say of you. You really do believe This talk of God is true. And all the good you've done Will soon get swept away. You've begun to matter more Than the things you say. Listen Jesus I don't like what I see. All I ask is that you listen to me. And remember, I've been your right hand man all along. You have set them all on fire. They think they've found the new Messiah. And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong. I remember when this whole thing began. No talk of God then, we called you a man. And believe me, my admiration for you hasn't died. But every word you say today Gets twisted 'round some other way. And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied. Nazareth, your famous son should have stayed a great unknown Like his father carving wood He'd have made good. Tables, chairs, and oaken chests would have suited Jesus best. He'd have caused nobody harm; no one alarm. Listen, Jesus, do you care for your race? Don't you see we must keep in our place? We are occupied; have you forgotten how put down we are? I am frightened by the crowd. For we are getting much too loud. And they'll crush us if we go too far. If they go too far Listen, Jesus, to the warning I give. Please remember that I want us to live. But it's sad to see our chances weakening with every hour. All your followers are blind. Too much heaven on their minds. It was beautiful, but now it's sour. Yes it's all gone sour. Listen, Jesus, to the warning I give. Please remember that I want us to live. C'mon, c'mon He won't listen to me c'mon, c'mon He won't listen to me
Being a veteran of multiple companies and loving that show I think this was stellar. Connected all the way, highly unique and well placed delivery. Nothing wasted.
What's your favourite performance from Jesus Christ Superstar?
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Ooh! I like The Arrest in this production!
Anything with Tim Minchin he is perfection
Tim Minchin's opening number, "Too Much Heaven On Their Minds"
Trial Before Pilate! Love that Rhythm. Such an underrated song. (Please upload that one btw.)
@@thetimeshadow6769 I know it’s now my favourite!
I see Minchin's Judas as more "angry", Anderson's as more "desperate".
I absolutely adore both renditions.
That's a really good way of putting it
One is disillusioned (anderson), the other is disappointed (minchin). One is still friends with and has slight hopes for jesus, the other is already kinda over it
Murray Head did a fantastic job on the original studio recording as well.
Anderson was very raw and angry too, in a more visceral way. He was in his own league in my opinion, vocally and acting wise, kind of untouchable. This performance is very stiff to me, his voice doesn't seem fully suited to this style of singing and he doesn't really emote much. But hey, y'all seem to be loving it so maybe I'm crazy.
There's definitely a bit of resentment with Minchin's as well. He's frustrated and disappointed with how things have changed, whereas Anderson's performance is much more fearful.
I love Tim as Judas, he’s so easy to empathise with. I remember he said in an interview that Judas gets a bad rep because if God exists then he was manipulated and never had a chance to do anything else, and if God doesn’t exist then he was right and Jesus had gone mad and was going too far and would bring reprisals against the Jewish community
I heard a theory that Judas is actually the most faithful among the disciples. Reason being, despite clearly being a follower of Jesus, his task was something that would be nigh impossible for any of the other disciples, who were willing to even harm others to protect Jesus despite his teachings. Hence, why he ended up hanging himself.
But, then again, it's a theory, and it doesn't really change anything but our PoV...
Wow... so true!
Wow... so true!
yeah that's a dumb theory. There is a lot of history and contemplation of the dynamic between God and man by Church theologians and atheists understand none of that. They just come to their own conclusions and then shout to each other in their own echo chambers. No honest attempt to understand God has ever been made by an atheist least of all Tim Minchin
@@Smoomty "No honest attempt to understand God has ever been made by an atheist" yikes
I really love his delivery in the "Nazareth your famous son" section. He seems so disillusioned
Wow me too! Wait a second.....
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Just as I'm getting reobsessed with this musical...
AYYYY SARAH ZED!!!
He’s an atheist irl
"You've begun to matter more than the things you say" is such a hard hitting line when you consider the type of Christians who's moral and political beliefs seem to be completely removed from his messages about helping those less fortunate, not making judgements et cetera. Some use worship of Jesus as a justification for them to legitimise their own bigotry and keeping wealth and power at the top which is completely antithetical to what he is supposed to have said. If he was indeed real and is in the afterlife he must be cringing at what has been done and said by some supposedly in his name.
Soooooooo true! Well said!
Jenny Sweeney, as a Christian I totally agree
Very well articulated
Perfectly put.
fun fact: Jesus actually did exist - there are Roman accounts of his existence - but I (an atheist) don't believe he could change water into wine, or could walk on water, or was the son of God. I don't dislike those following a religion but I can't believe it myself, props to those who can!
Minchin as Judas was phenomenal!
He really stole the show
Exquisite!
I dunno. I love Tim Minchin, but I am unimpressed. I have heard local productions that were better.
I heard that Minchin was furious when he found out the producers autotuned the singers in this production without the cast's knowledge.
EDIT: My ear is not sensitive enough to tell if it was used here. I think not. But I know I would be too angry to do my best if I found out the producers did that previously.
the book of waylon i think this has been auto tuned however considerably less then it was originally auto tuned the first time round
@@packetofcrispsanduptobed2201 perhaps done in post, then.
Dude, he's such a good actor. All the micro-expressions...
He’s a good singer too, and it sucks they still decided to autotune it and killed his performance.
Micro reactions work great in film...he looks like a robot here. I’m not saying it wasn’t a good, but this sequence was terribly directed and choreographed.
I think they used auto tune because of the amount of shows they did, it might've sounded a bit scratchy or something.
Tim is really good at conveying emotions through how he sings, but he can't really do that and it sometimes feels like his top part of his arms are stuck to his body.
So they essentially used pitch correction, not because Tim was off-key, but because they wanted to change the notes Tim sung. Like in the death scene, he pours his guts out. However, after they were like, let's make it a pop song!
Maybe other people needed bits of it, here and there, but not Tim. E.G. F Sharp's (one of his own songs) punchline wouldn't land without being able to hit the note.
he... here I was just thinking "Such a great singer, it's a pity he's not as good an actor".
Ugh, I love how Ben closes his eyes and shakes his head when the guitar comes in - when he senses that Judas is about to try to talk some sense into him. Again. And he's so tired
This is such a tiny expression, but it's one of my most beloved of Ben's from this performance - along with how he spits out "What YOU started, I didn't start it" in Gethsemane
@Han Organa their emotion is so genuinely expressed! I love this version most!
Casting a famous and outspoken Atheist as Judas is just genius.
Tim is everywhere and it's amazing hes done so many big things like this and Matilda as well as his comedy.
I don't think they could've chosen a better person for this role
I could have sworn Tim Minchin got famous auditioning for JCS on one of those reality TV audition shows
EDIT: Never mind that was Ben XD
The real-life Judas was Jewish.
@@hopekimmel314 and so was the real life Jesus.
I was just going to say that
Judas be like: Yo Jesus can you not be a messiah for like 5 minutes.
LMAO
People can change in 3 years time and be someone else entirely, you wonder if they can relate anymore. No offense but that’s the reason why communication is so important. Sometimes direct questions may lead to direct answers.
Damn haha 😂
Tim minchin stole the show. His performance stood head and shoulders above any of the other performers. Absolutely incredible. This man is gifted 😍😍😍
No, Judas be like “can you stop playing into these delusions that these disciples of yours have about you being some kind of messiah?”
Tim minchin stole the show. His performance stood head and shoulders above any of the other performers. Absolutely incredible. This man is gifted 😍😍😍
so true!!!! he's awesome
I noticed that too! Saw this at Easter and became hooked.
You are joking, right? He is head and shoulders the worst Judas I've ever seen. He should stick to comedy. Compare with Carl Anderson or Ben Vereen, (or even Roger Daltrey) and he pales into insignificance. The only thing he has going for him is his current popularity.
@@tonyjover its just our opinion dude
We could get into all sorts of debates about best jesus, best judas etc etc, yawn yawn and have 100s different combination opinions. I prefer Tim Minchins portrayal (he said himself) hes not the greatest singer but thats what i like about his performance. Also i never compared him to another judas performance, just that i felt he stood out in this show against the other performers.
I love the acting choices for Tim and Ben. Tim is usually very subtle with his acting choices and doesn't have a lot of movement, he's very expressive with his voice, but not his face. Meanwhile Ben chews the set left and right and is super intense almost all the time. It shows a dichotomy with just their presentation and it's really nice.
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@@ouncy me too.
Same
I like that they both play them like they're on the verge of a mental breakdown. Usually I've seen Judas being played like a cold hearted villain and Jesus as an always patient and obedient man but Tim and Been played them as two men who are angry and completely desperate while trying to do what they think is right, in some way, even doing so to protect the other from himself. I feel like it's more human and realistic. I love how disappointed Tim sounds in this song, and how furious Ben sounds in Gethsemane, it's a nice change.
@@modwonder1668 Yes I mentioned in response to someone else's comment that that's what I like about, not just about Tim's portrayal but JCS in general. So different to the way it was taught to us in Catholic School.
Seeing a keffiyeh as part of Judas’s outfit hits different in 2024…
I was just thinking that. So much more weight, now, to that choice. Or at least, weight most people are conscious of now.
i was about to say the same thing! had to watch this for class today and noticed it immediately
What do you mean? I don't really understand
@@waxy8402 its become a sign of support for palestine☺
@@waxy8402 The keffiyeh, particularly in that pattern, are a traditional Palestinian scarf. People wear them now to remember that Palestine is oppressed and her people are suffering under occupation and genocide, and have been for decades.
It's important context to remember that during Jesus's time, the region of Galilee (itself the northernmost part of ancient Palestine) was under occupation by Rome, its people were being exploited by the occupiers, and Jesus became a symbol of civil resistance against that occupation.
In fact, much of the advice Jesus gave was, in context, about passive and civil resistance than we realise. "Turn the other cheek" was in reference to the fact that Roman soldiers (who tend to be right-handed) will punch an equal in the face, connecting with the left cheek, but will backhand slap someone they consider lesser, connecting with the right cheek. When Jesus says to "turn the other cheek", it is to dare the Roman solider to treat him like an equal, not a second-class citizen. Why? To activate the Jewish citizens of Galilee to demand respect and dignity, and activate the Roman soldiers to remember their conscience, and that the Galileans are people. As I said, many of the instructions are about this, including "going the extra mile" and giving someone the shirt off your back. He didn't want his people to be meek, but to fight back.
This is why Judas in this song, as the antagonist, is fearfully asking Jesus to sit down, don't let them be too loud, to not resist -- he fears the Roman violence more than he dares to dream of a free Galilee.
As this musical has always been about putting the story through a modern lens with the historical context of people resisting occupation, Judas is wearing the keffiyeh to symbolise his resistance, but at the same time is almost strangled by the weight of it.
I've been a fan of Tim for many years.. he was the perfect choice to portray Judas. He's brilliant!
When that electric guitar starts playing jesus just has a look like "oh no not this again, everyone just ignore him"
"Me-dammnit Judas, you do this EVERY TIME."
LOL, yup. 😂
“ Here he goes,”
Tim Minchin's eyes = SO INTENSE
The eyeliner/eyeshadow helps
@@napoleonerises It the eyeliner, Makeup is powerful and manipulative.
The sheer brilliance of Andrew Lloyd Weber and Tim Rice still rings true 50 years later.
"You've begun to matter more than the things you say". Powerful.. and exactly what's wrong with a certain segment of his fan club these days.. who tend to ignore what he said.
Is no one going to mention how cool the aesthetic is?? This show is like if Jesus DID “come today” Down to the homeless tents! I’d love for these guys to post this Jesus must die from this.
That's common. The movie had Jesus and his followers as basically hippies, many productions have Caiaphas and his priests in business suits and so on
This is supposed to be the occupy wall street movement. They are supposed to be protesters and activists
the fist symbol bears such a more intense meaning post-2020
@@ArtsyChick24 what first symbol
Somewhere between hitchhikers and college students
My mind is clearer now
At last all too well
I can see where we all soon will be
If you strip away
The myth from the man
You will see where we all soon will be
Jesus!
You started to believe the things they say of you
You really do believe this talk of God is true
And all the good you've done will soon get swept away
You've begun to matter more than the things you say
Listen Jesus I don't like what I see
All I ask is that you listen to me
And remember, I've been your right hand man all along
You have set them all on fire
They think they've found the new Messiah
And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong
I remember when this whole thing began
No talk of God then we called you a man
And believe me, my admiration for you hasn't died
But every word you say today
Gets twisted round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you lied
Nazareth your famous son
Should have stayed a great unknown
Like his father, carving wood
He'd have made good
Tables, chairs and oaken chests
Would have suited Jesus best
He'd have caused nobody harm
No one alarm
Listen Jesus, do you care for your race?
Don't you see, we must keep in our place?
We are occupied
Have you forgotten how put down we are?
I am frightened by the crowd
For we are getting much too loud
And they'll crush us if we go too far
If we go too far
Listen Jesus to the warning I give
Please remember that I want us to live
But it's sad to see our chances weakening with every hour
All your followers are blind
Too much heaven on their mind
It was beautiful but now it's sour
Yes it all Gone Sour
Listen Jesus to the warning I give!
Please Remember that i want us to live!
So, Come on Come on
He won`t Listen to me
Come on Listen
Come on and Listen to Me
Listen Listen to me
Come on and Listen to me
Listen to me ME!
This easter was the first time I've ever seen JSC. (No, not even the movie as far as I remember).
And now Ive got a massive crush on Tim
It happens to all of us. it won't pass.
well ur down the rabbit hole mate and their's no getting out lol XD
JSC: Jesus Super Christ
I think I might have a problem. I've listened to this like 20 times the last two days
I'm developing the same problem! I saw this show when they streamed it last year and was blown away but for some reason this year I've become obsessed!
The amount of times I've watched this production of gethsemane is frankly unhealthy
Same here
Me too 🤣
I did that in one day, I hope I don't return cuz I need to do things
This act alone is worth your ticket to the whole show. His singing is spectacular.
What an actor. What a role for him lol. What a damn voice. God I love when Tim Minchin sings genuinely, and his expressions on here were all 1000% spot on.
I'm addicted to this song, especially sung by Tim Minchin. When I finally saw this musical online this year it opened my eyes, and I ended up in total support for Judas. It's interesting how a well known story can so easily be turned on its head!
Hello how are you
You should listen to the spanish versión from Teddy Bautista and Camilo Sesto, it Will blow your mind !
Badass amazingly talented singer and actor. I love the moment at 4:36 where he’s exasperated and does that thing when you’re frustrated af but you smile and sigh at the “He won’t listen to me” and then proceeds to do cool rising vocalization as he walks up the steps. Badass
Tim has NO LIMITS! Just when you think he couldn't possibly get any greater...MORE DIVERSE..he flies OUT of the box we tuck him into and soars with the eagles.
......And he takes US along for the flight....
Little lyric analysis be prepared and forewarned…
Judas says first “they think they’ve found a new messiah… and they’ll hurt you when they FIND they’re wrong” but then he says later “and they’ll hurt you if they THINK you’ve lied…” I love this as it shows that he believes Jesus’s message and beliefs but doesn’t think he’s divine, or if he does he doesn’t think it important
To him Jesus speaks the truth but he thinks the truth is being bent because of his ego and his message is being forgotten and replaced with just the man and person… and to Judas it’s gone too far
Love this bit of analysis. What good is the message if it gets overshadowed by a cult of personality? You can really hear Judas's fear of being caught in the middle of a mob when it all comes down on his friend -- of losing his friend after all of it. Tim Minchin was the perfect choice for this role.
@@rachelfox8108
Absolutely true for both
The part that just kills me is how hard Tim worked on his voice for this production. His voice and technique are dramatically improved here compared to his earlier work (and I absolutely love his earlier work). From some of the other comments, it sounds like they toned down the autotune in this clip, but it's still pretty heavy in places. I don't have an ear for sound editing and I can hear it. I'm sure there's a fair amount of sound editing and subtle autotuning in everything I listen to that I'm not even aware of, but this rises to a level that just makes me sad for Tim.
really based off Anderson's performance.
nothing wrong with that, only it reminds me
It's a lot more obvious in The Last Supper, but Tim himself said that he didn't know it would happen and it felt really nasty and rude.
Hello pretty
How are you doing today
Tim was also outraged by the massive amount of auto tuning they did to his voice so you're not alone in your disappointment
Autotune is pretty easy to spot when it's applied heavily, basically there is no "in between" between notes, like the difference there is between a slide and stairs.
Even without the singing this song has some of the most emotive and dramatic music that Weber has ever made.
Never expected to hear him sing this song.
SO glad that I did.
C'mon, OBVIOUSLY Tim stole this show.
No surprise there.
I mean, even though the musical is called Jesus Christ Superstar, the person we see the most and maybe even feel greater compassion towards is Judas. It's like Hamilton situation (with Alex kinda being the main guy, but Burr having the most lines and time to shine).
Sooooooo.. Yeah. I's not even that Tim stole the show. It WAS his show in the first place))
Its true. This is Jesus Christ Superstar, but told from Judas' point of view; he is the main character.
Judas usually does. Hes the powerhouse of the show!!
Agreed, but I'm pretty sure Burr doesn't have more lines than Hamilton.
Michael Krämer yeah Hamilton has more
i was legit thinking about this last night. in history, burr and judas are hated. however, in hamilton and jcs respectively, while they are still an antagonist of sorts, they’re viewed with a lot more sympathy.
for burr, id say the songs that allow this are wait for it and the world is wide enough. for judas it’s heaven on their mind, blood money and the song where he commits suicide (i’ve forgotten the name lol)
Tim Minchin... What an amazing voice, what a brilliant comedian, all round fabulous guy! ❤😁
Jesus Christ Superstar was the first musical I ever saw and the reason I want to be a actress 💕
same!
You’re never too old to do the seemingly impossible.
I’m a amateur actress!
Not only is his singing brilliant, but his acting is too. His facial expressions are great.
I bought the DVD of the 2012 arena tour of Jesus Christ Superstar a couple months ago. I love the songs that have been separated out here to showcase Tim Minchin as Judas. This is an amazing performance by an extremely talented man.
Where did you buy it from? I really want to watch the whole show with Tim and Ben
This performance thrills me how ever many times I hear it. Tim Minchin is a true musician, his phrasing and perfect pitch is a joy, but his acting skills also show his passion and subtlety. The final bars are a lesson in how to make to make it look easy, when it really ain't.
Mel C and Ben were also inspired cast members.
I just love the build up from minor frustration and annoyance into full on panic and dread, really conveys that this isn't the first time Judas has brought this up and has actually tried to have this conversation with Jesus multiple times, being ignored each time and watching things from his perspective just get worse and worse. Tim did a great showing the build up of emotion and desperation in this song
Yes yes I know everyone dislikes the auto tune but can't y'all just appreciate seeing Tim acting this. There is literally a video of Tim singing this free of auto tune y'all could watch instead . I'm here for him 'being' Judas
Didn’t they use auto tune for this because he had hurt his voice at the time? Thought I remember reading that somewhere
I just noticed the symbolism when he said "my mind is clearer now" and when he dies he says it is in darkness.
While Carl Anderson will always be my favorite Judas, Tim's performance is the best rendition I've seen since.
Nobody can beat Carl Anderson. :) Best Judas ever.
Not seen Varla then?
Love this song and Tim minchin
Dear God. I had no idea Tim Minchin had such a powerful, clear voice. It's so talented!
I am a huge Carl Anderson fan and he will always be my favorite Judas...
But, I must say, I do like the way Tim Minchin portrays Judas, it's completely different from Carl but That's what makes it entertaining to watch.
Well Done Tim.
Now that’s what I call a smattering of applause. The performance deserved more than what it got.
Only just saw this show for the first time, Tim is honestly the best thing about this show. He steals it. Everyone is astounding but Tim Minchin really is a scene stealer 😂
My god his voice gives me 90's, early 2000's rock vibes, takes me back to my 13 year old self. Definitely the rockstar of the piece. The guy playing Simon also blew me away!
Thrilling this show! 🎸🌟
I first saw Jesus Christ Superstar in1973 as a 14 year old - I've seen every production I've been able to, the 70's movie and I have never, EVER seen a better Judas than Tim Minchin - I'm 61 now and I'm bloody impressed 👍😁 and to think he's an Aussie, makes me proud as 😁
There's people complaining about autotune, then there's me not even noticing it. Tim sounds amazing with or without. One of my favourite Judas performances without a doubt.
I agree! I didn't even know he was auto tuned until someone told me
@@sparrow8534 Wow, really? He sounds like a malfunctioning robot...
@@grantmalone yes really, i enjoy the show and his voice either way
@@sparrow8534 Well, that's good. It's a great musical so glad you can enjoy it. I can hardly bear listening to mecha-Judas. I have other recordings I like though so all good.
I've heard that he did not like that he was autotuned lol
Love this performance! Minchin is a revelation and Forster is definitely holding his own in the pantheon of the men who've played the Messiah. Also I think in this role Forster bears a strong resemblance to actor Aidan Turner.
Totally agree, I saw the behind the scenes vid for jcs, where the makeup/hair people said they were going fir a Johnny Depp vibe with Ben foresters look fir Jesus. But watching the whole performance, I kept thinking, poldark is playing Jesus.
I listened to backstage interview of this production, (the makeup/hair people), said they were going for a Johnny Depp vibe for the look of Jesus, but I think the wig chosen achieved a Ross Poldark (a character played by Aiden Turner) look.
Tim Minchin is just perfect ❤️
So true! ❤️
That means despite being an understudy, Carl Anderson is iconic.
Carl Anderson was a mega God... Sorry 😐 this doesn't begin to compare, to me at least...
I ve been a Tim Minchin fan for a while and I think this is his best work.
I just learned about this! My favourite comedian playing one of my favourite Broadway characters?! Just brilliant
Tim’s amazing voice and range are showcased by this performance. Such power and emotion!
Tim Minchin is my second favorite Judas, first being Carl Anderson. They both do such a great job, vibrant emotions, realistic portrayals during the musicals, Anderson (to me) just has a larger vocal range that just hits different.
What about brandon dixon?
@@thonypetstv3966 From what I have been able to see he is a great singer, energetic dancer, and has stage presence but a little flashy (but it went along with the scene) but I do not feel like I could rate him fairly yet. I have yet to see the live/tv version, only users RUclipss of it, so it could be distorted. True I have only seen TM's RUclipss but they were recorded at a higher quality.
Drew Sarich is my favorite Judas followed by BVD and Tim
Carl Anderson was a mega God... Sorry 😐 this doesn't begin to compare, to me at least...
@@sealandland3959 the goat
I saw this live in Cardiff when they toured this production. The best thing about it (which this video doesn't quite get over) was the sheer volume - the sound production was more like a rock gig than a typical musical - loud, bass you feel as well as hear etc. Absolutely brilliant show! Oh, and Tim didn't need autotune - it's the imperfections which make a performance perfect and give it some feeling.
Great casting. Tim is edgy, relatable, and absolutely nails it.
Tims got the pipes... and the hair, the eyes, the looks.
He should have been cast as Jesus.
as a french person i didn't knew Tim Minchin that i discovered through a spectic channel, but WHAT A VOICE ! and i just love the lyrics ! and now i'm just watching/listening to evey single title from Tim !
I love all the performers, Ben Forster making an astonishing vocal performance and Mel C is really moving with her beautiful voice, but Tim Minchin imajes a brilliant acting and vocal performance, incredibly charismatic and insightful. Thanks for putting this video online.
I thought I had a great deal of respect for Tim Minchin before seeing this, but it turns out I was able to find even more. Much love for this production.
He is effortlessly crushing it.
I see Carl Anderson smiling with joy!! Great voice!!!!
YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WAITED FOR THIS VIDEO
I’ve been streaming his version on Spotify but I just reeeealy wanted it on here
I screamed
This is the best
This is the first time where I'm like... Yea, this guy actually did a really dope preformance when matched with the original. Brings a whole new vibe and I feel it.
Interpreting the Passion story with Judas as a tragic hero is so brilliant.
Sooo thankful that he has shared all of this during the pandemic! I hope I’m able to help people who are stressed as well with meditation, calm music, and mindfulness. You all matter! Sending healing and peace to everyone ❤️❤️❤️
For the first time in over a decade, Tim will be doing a US tour. He will be here in multiple cities this August. I'm flying to one of those cities to see his performance. That is on my "bucket list!"
He poured everything he had into that. Fantastic.
Tim can do anything..what a freaking talent.
Jsc is one of my favorite shows, ive seen countless productions, and Minchin is , hands down, the best judas i have ever seen
Tim is by far the best Judas
I had never seen JCS before it was streamed on here, and it definitely lived up to expectations ❤️. Tim totally stole the show for me!
i will forever regret not seeing this 2012 arena tour. ahhhh.
This is amazing! I had a bootleg CD of "Jesus Christ Superstar" when I was 12 years old. I couldn't understand a word in English back then, I didn't know what I was listening to but I loved it so much that I listened to it for a whole semester. Now I can understand every word in the lyrics, and the tunes are the same. Something very old and something very fresh at the same time. It's like a time capsule I kept for myself for 20 years. I'm 32 now.
Tim forever changed my standard on the role of Judas.. I can’t get satisfied watching another Judas 😭😭😭😭😭😭
My favorite show, followed by Phantom
*smile* mine is Phantom then this
Mine is this then Phantom too 😁
My favourite Andrew Lloyd Webber musical Jesus Christ Superstar
Same here!!
Beautiful voice! It seems to come so easily to him even the high notes and the runs👏
Casting him as Judas just makes so much sense. Perfect fit for this play.
First time I have heard Tim do something serious. I am gobsmacked!! My admiration for him has gone thru the roof! :) He was brilliant!!
I find this track captivating for many reasons. Mainly when you wake up early in the morning and this song is ringing in your head you know its powerful!!!9
Hello pretty
How are you doing?
I literally can barely function without this in my head for 50% of the day. It's a problem. I'm always singing this under my breath
It is not fair that one person should have so much talent. Comedian, pianist and now such singing. Tim Minchin, the man who has it all with some to spare!
Oh man, serious goosebumps. I absolutely adore Tim Minchin!!!!
I'm not a believer, but I love this musical. Judas has always been my favorite. Too much heaven in your minds.
That was the most vivid and spot on interpretation of Judas as only Tim could do it. That was fantastic.
Hi Andrea
But what about Sam's mum's cataracts? I have been looking for this performance for so long. Minchin is great to watch and listen to.
They're gone! It was a miracle! Didn't you hear? :o
PS: Tim Minchin’s new album in dropping Nov 20, 2020: Apart Together. Several tracks are available now. Check iTunes, Apple or others. Apart Together really rips my heart open.
I need a CAST ALBUM RECORDING!! Tim minchin’s version of heaven on their minds is so good!
I saw the 2012 Arena Tour of Jesus Christ Superstar at the Motorpoint Arena in Sheffield on Sunday 21st October and it was amazing and spectacular
Tim is amazing what a vocal range - loved the staging and performance - took me back many years - great stuff
Amazing!!
I think the fourth line of the fifth verse is actually “hey that’d be good”
An amazing performance from Tim Minchin and the cast. I can remember the original in the 70's.
My mind is clearer now.
At last all too well
I can see where we all soon will be.
If you strip away The myth from the man,
You will see where we all soon will be. Jesus!
You've started to believe
The things they say of you.
You really do believe
This talk of God is true.
And all the good you've done
Will soon get swept away.
You've begun to matter more
Than the things you say.
Listen Jesus I don't like what I see.
All I ask is that you listen to me.
And remember, I've been your right hand man all along.
You have set them all on fire.
They think they've found the new Messiah.
And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong.
I remember when this whole thing began.
No talk of God then, we called you a man.
And believe me, my admiration for you hasn't died.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way.
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied.
Nazareth, your famous son should have stayed a great unknown
Like his father carving wood He'd have made good.
Tables, chairs, and oaken chests would have suited Jesus best.
He'd have caused nobody harm; no one alarm.
Listen, Jesus, do you care for your race?
Don't you see we must keep in our place?
We are occupied; have you forgotten how put down we are?
I am frightened by the crowd.
For we are getting much too loud.
And they'll crush us if we go too far.
If they go too far
Listen, Jesus, to the warning I give.
Please remember that I want us to live.
But it's sad to see our chances weakening with every hour.
All your followers are blind.
Too much heaven on their minds.
It was beautiful, but now it's sour.
Yes it's all gone sour.
Listen, Jesus, to the warning I give.
Please remember that I want us to live.
C'mon, c'mon
He won't listen to me
c'mon, c'mon
He won't listen to me
Minchin brought me back to the original JCS Cast. Original Judas. Phrasing, voice, performance just WOW. WOW. 👏
Tim Minchin will always be my favourite Judas, I love his delivery so much
Tim Minchin is my all time favourite Judas - such an incredible voice
Not so great when it's not auto-tuned.
Being a veteran of multiple companies and loving that show I think this was stellar. Connected all the way, highly unique and well placed delivery. Nothing wasted.
the shear irony of Judas being played by a devout atheist is just. *chefs kiss*
Don't just tune down the autotune! Give us the raw voices! It's musical theatre!!!!!
THIS
I heard a recording with the raw vocals once. It was rather low quality but you could tell his unfiltered voice was _amazing_
Thank Glee or whatever crap
@@PineapplesPerhaps I agree. Tim Minchin is a legitimate bad ass!
I was thinking the same thing! There's no difference in the tone of the music. Too perfect and not enough soul.
Absolutely love Tim in JCS, he takes the part to a whole new level !!
That is the most effortless version I have seen
Then you haven't heard Carl Anderson!
Judas was the true super star of this musical 🌟