Comic Industry Blame Everyone But Ed Piskor’s Attackers
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- The fallout from Ed Piskor's suicide is sickening. Pro's throughout the comic industry are determined to blame everyone but the people who attacked Ed. This week Marvel Comics writer Cheryl Lynn Eaton claimed fans duped Piskor's attackers into attacking him more by supporting him on social media. A move Eaton claims would make Piskor's attackers believe Ed was creating sock puppet accounts. The lengths Cheryl Lynn Eaton, Alex Di Campi and others have gone to are revolting. Wes and Aaron Sparrow discuss the insane coddling of Ed Piskor's attackers within the comic book industry. Comic book industry blame everyone but Ed Piskor's attackers.
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The people who Ed Piskor had said were directly responsible for his name being ruined are only proving him right with their attitude and behavior. The "mainstream" comic book industry in the U.S. coming to their defense and saying that they are the actual victims in all of this speaks volumes about who runs DC and Marvel, and what kind of people that they really are. If anything proves that social media was a big mistake and that it ruined everything, it's this.
People who live by "the end justify the means" would obviously not care if someone died, because at least they made sure nobody was saying bad things online.
@@linusgustafsson2629 Well, if that's the case, then those people are obviously nothing but violent vigilante psychopaths who have no conscience, empathy or humanity. They are pretty much basically exactly like a lynch mob of witch hunters who are serial killers by proxy.
It’s horrible what happened to Ed Piskor, I’m still pissed off.
@@jamesross824karma will bite them eventually
I would be scared to be in an office with any of these girls/people. What if I accidentally brushed up on one of them, like normal people do out in public. Too stressful! I could be next if she wants a job we are both going for. Or if they get together and conspire against me for a project. Would not want to be in a room alone with anybody like these.
Ed Piskor deserved better. May he RIP. Condolences to his friends and family. And shame on everyone who hurt Ed. Their actions are truly sickening.
Can we call out 2000AD who STILL plan to publish an Alex Di Campi story despite her being at the absolute centre of this revolting situation? Matt Smith and Rebellion you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.
The fact that Marvel continues to give covers (Villalobos) to someone who’s bullying and harassment of an individual is ALL on social media for the world to see is completely disgusting.
@Carterp7
Plus he’s just not a very good artist.
Karma will bite eventually
@@vash9760 he's also a salami eating hog
@@quentinhxc1it’s that kind of hog shaming that makes feminists pretend they’re oppressed
thank you for speaking up... the American comic book industry is poisoned, a disgrace.
"It's sad that this tragedy will lead to the harassment of the murderers!"
That's where these psychopaths heads are. Themselves! Why would I ever want to buy from a company that hires people like these, when they've gotten people ostracized for far less?
Complaining that people are talking about how Piskor was brought to suicide, when they would gleefully step on corpses to call anyone they need to the villain.
At this point Marvel has just as much blood on it's hands keeping these killers hired. I am done reading, playing, watching, and buying anything associated with these companies.
This isn't an indrusty, it is a cult. Either they are will die for their masters or they live in complete and utter fear of Alex & Villalobos picking them next.
The chutzpah of Alex de Campi challenging people to post their favourite panel of Ed's! Name 3 Alex De Campi books. Without Googling her name. You can't. She's famous for being a bully with a Twitter account. Not as a writer.
Infamy isn’t so fun as they thought it’d be.
I can, however, name more than three stories, starting all the way back in 2004, where I was told Alex di Campi was not to be trusted and why.
I always question rumors, but years of being observant have basically confirmed everything I was told.
My god. One man took your own life and these people just can't stop to harass him even after your death? These are the people in the command of Marvel in nowadays. This is the reason of why modern comics sucks so much. These people don't know empathy. What a shame.
This tragedy has allowed us to see all these monsters that run the comics industry into ruins time and again.
It's very sad and to see these vile people continue to push their crap on him and disrespect the fact his family and friends are grieving shows how screwed up these scumbags are. It's a cancer that has infected the comic industry and other media. They libeled him. They are sick. Thank you Wes and Aaron.
Alex & Villalobos seem to be the 2 worst in this entire movement, their day will come, you cannot behave this badly forever, there’s going to come a point when everyone has had enough. This industry is going down along with these people, then something else will raise from the ashes.
Imagine if Piskor called CG in his suicide note............but no he named Alex de Campi and Ramon Villalobos as the ones responisible for his harassment
he mentioned this alex de camp in his note?
@@donaldvonglitchenberger4108 "There were so many out there waiting in the wings for something like this to emerge. Daryl Ayo Braithwait called it a kill shot. You all got your wish. You were waiting for something to blow out of proportion and it got served to you on a silver platter. Ramon Villalobos, Cam Del Rosario, JB Roe, Molly Wright, congratulations. You got your pound of flesh. Evan Dorkin, I hope skeletons from your closet get revealed someday. Alex DeCampi, may you continue to have zero success no matter how hard you continuously leverage other people’s business from your bully pulpit.
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Daryl Ayo Braithwait, Ramon Villalobos, Cam Del Rosario, JB Roe, Molly Wright, Evan Dorkin, Alex DeCampi
@@donaldvonglitchenberger4108 Yes. For comparison, Ed Piskor hated CG. They weren't the ones who threatened his career or pushed him to suicide though.
@@donaldvonglitchenberger4108Yes, he even singled her out specifically among the people he mentioned.
Thank you for talking about this. I'm glad so many are covering this and calling out these ghouls. Marvel and DC have been dead to me for a while, but this puts them beyond redemption for me.
Rest in peace, Eddie P.
From an outside perspective, Ed Piskor!, Say his name! Ed was a genuine comic artist and writer . His love for the craft of drawing/writing comics and his love of the history was infectious on his youtube channel. He loved making comics, He was both informed, proud and humble. but wanted to share the love with everyone and found common ground . Sharing the gift of art is the best thing one can do. On his youtube channel. he was becoming an historian and his analysis of the drawing of othe artists was fair and authentic. He loved his art his and commitment to his art really matters and ne never spoke about his personal life. I respect you.... Until horrible and malicious outsiders who would destroy him for the MSM to ride..... Shame on the comic 'industry' movers and shakers. The process is the punishment now. Guilt before Innocence is normal. Everyone named in his last will should be challenged. .
Thought it was cool seeing Greg Smallwood defending Ed
Mad respect for that dude.
They are bullies who are now being held accountable for the awful things they did , and just like every cowardly bully they are now playing the victim
Not bullies just small envious monsters
@@xaviergriffin7101exactly
These people are crybullies, they attack someone then when someone responds they act like a victim. And these people have no remorse for what they did.
So basically women.
It should be shocking really that none of the main comics news sites are even mentioning allegations of bullying that led to an artist’s passing… but sadly it’s only what’s expected from Heidi, Rich J, Arrant, McMillan etc…
Ed had a fun and funny cartooning style, he was a fantastic letterer and he always made super artistic design choices in his works. He was an A+ comic creator. They ruined his life and destroyed his family emotionally and for what? I really don’t understand.
So over the pile ons… That’s the biggest problem with social media. Should be no more negative comments allowed on social media. It’s the worst and why I deleted everything back in 2011.
Social Media should be deleted.
I wasn't familiar with Ed Piskor or his work. AND YET it pisses me off that these online ideologues pushed him to suicide because I'm a human, and he was a human. I don't need to be a fan to recognize a tragedy for what it is.
Gaining alot of respect for Wes. Never lose your sense of humanity
I had ordered the first Scrapper series for my store. It sold out. (Total of five each, which I considered good for a first series) Saw on a tweet by Clif that he was sending an outline of the second series to Alex to work her magic. I tweeted my store won't order more than the copies to cover pull, but now, I'm not going to push it. If they don't tell me on there own, I won't order it as long as Alex is associated with it.
Weird how one side of things say you can't gatekeep by demanding that individuals know something about something, yet still use those tactics to dismiss people's concerns?
"Tell me your favorite panel of his."? Seriously?
There is an entire meme type about, "So you like Nirvana? Name five of their songs." A meme created to shame longtime fans into not questioning someone's bona fide's when they are opining about something specific. Yet now they're gonna say that no one who isn't fully invested in Ed's career shouldn't have an opinion, yeah, no, doesn't work that way. Your rules.
Personally I hate that they lowered the bar so low that I'm supposed to be lumped in with the same level of fan as someone who bought a Superman tee-shirt at Walmart.
Bruh. I faced the threat of physical violence and complete derision for liking comics as a kid, soo excuse me for being invested in my culture and that culture comes with a knowledge gauge, because geek.
At this point, what is really left of "the professional comic cadres"?
Name and shame them all.
Thankyou for speaking on this tragedy and spending the time with your channel to help others hear this information and quality views on the situation.
I never seen so many narcissists gather in one place. None of them want to take any accountability.
People on social media will say the most vile stuff, believing there's no possible way there will be consequences. Then, when tragedy strikes, they will stand on the grave of the freshly deceased and claim it somehow validates their feelings and beliefs.
It is always everyone else's fault but theirs.
These people remind me of my narcissistic toxic mother I finally recently ghosted, that they attack constantly, make wild accusations with zero proof and always play the victim.
Sheesh…
They are the definition of toxic femininity
I always feel at least somewhat bad for people like this.
Their brain quite clearly isn't working right.
But that being said they also tend to be complete monsters at the same time so.
And now we witness why no one want to take responsibility for media content when all they have to do is point the messager for their adm calls.
What does these peoples employers have to say about their employees being named as the reason for someone's suicide. This evil and ignoring these companies all together and straight move on to something better is the way
The only thing we can do is support people creating new projects and companies that will employ these people pushed out of the mainstream, rebuild and gatekeep the shit out of it.
We are at the point where people are dying, and they still won't admit they've gone too far. Human life isn't even valuable enough of a sacrifice for faux moral superiority.
the obvious reply to Alex's tweet is "And you killed him with your harassment"
i knew about ed's comics, not my cup of tea either. buy cartoonist kayfabe was what got me BACK into comics.
I've seen some youtuber from my country commenting on Piskor's self deletion. The youtuber in question went out of his way to avoid saying the named people, but went on a whataboutism about van Sciver, who had nothing to do with the whole incident.
It's disgusting behavior.
2quadrinhos?
@@camila_costa12 Yep. Exato.
Remember the 1st 70 years of comicbook fandom when disputes never got more heated than- who would win between Superman or the Hulk?
A more sane time for Comic Book Nerds
these people are soulless.
Aaron nails it again in his description of these awful people and the sage advice - ignore them
Partial credit for that advice goes to Perch.
God, I'm glad I stopped reading comics back during the pandemic. I would not be able to stomach supporting these absolute ghouls.
I stopped in 2001!
@@ensabahnur7657 That what when comic books didn't have this unnecessary drama, honey.
Only the old stuff and indies for me. Still a lot of gold buried in the long boxes!
I’ve tried to write something and… I can’t. Fighting to not take your own life is really hard. I’m sorry Ed Piskor lost that fight. I just hope his loved ones are doing okay.
"Judge lest you be judged" is something I learned in 2nd grade parochial school. Then to cuddle the people directly involved in stoking the fire of an online mob is just something else entirely. Here's a idea, if you are not directly involved and aren't privy to the facts that would allow you to form an informed opinion then keep your mouth shut. It's just another tragic example of the decline of morality, mutual respect, & strong character in our society.
That Cheryl Lynn Eaton is a piece of work. I read her whole multi-tweet diatribe response to Greg Smallwood and by the end of it SHE's the victim. I shit you not! Unbelievable.
Gotta protect your co-conspirators to stay in the club.
I had kind of given Evan Dorkin the benefit of the doubt initially. I know he and Ed seemed to have a falling out before all of this (I think mostly due to Evan's criticism about some aspects of Cartoonist Kayfabe)...and Evan's initial comments were pretty tame compared to some of the other stuff. But I saw his Blue Sky post from a couple days ago and he was doing the whole "Alex did nothing wrong, she was just trying to protect women!!" bit...fuck off man...she was doing way more than that.
HOOOOWWWWWW does this NOBODY, who even hardcore comics fans aren't familiar with, HOWWWWWWW does Alex have this much power? She's a nothing. A never was. Doesn't even work for a big publisher, nobody knows any of her work by name, just that she's a whiny narcissistic social "justice" warrior online. That's literally all she does, and all anybody knows about her.
Classic misdirection. “Don’t look at me… look over there!” 💀 🚪
@@robinmohamedally7587She’s a vicious harpy and none of the mainstream “men” in the industry has ever had the courage to stand up to her.
"YOU ABSOLUTE GHOUL" - that's it... What's up with these self righteous sociopaths?
The answer is in your statement, the ideals they are follow allows them to be complete monsters.
To people They don't like so long as they do it in a specific way.
Convicted in the court of public opinion without a chance to defend himself
It will all be forgotten as soon as they start in in their next victim, and they will play the victim til then.
Wow comics is just as corrupt as video games, if not more so. No wonder comics are in this current state.
More corrupt, first they destroyed comics now the woke mafia is attacking video games
I can't speak for everyone, but if someone named me responsible for their suicide, I'd take at least a day to reflect on how that might be possible
The timing of the release of the DMs is something interesting.
Like over 3 years later....very weird. It does kind of boggle my mind that a 17 year old in today's climate didn't think anything was odd about the conversation then (especially if what we've seen is the "worst" evidence she had to offer), but now when she's 21 it's automatically: "Ed Piskor likes little high school girls!" or whatever she said. I mean, you're totally fine with the conversation, joking around, etc....and nothing ever actually happened....but now at 21 it was such a heinous thing that you have to announce it to the world in an extremely emotional way (just the language used in her original posts). Then in her last post she seemed to want to walk back some of the tone..saying she was never "harmed", that he wasn't a pedophile, and she didn't want to be involved in the whole comic book politics of it. She comes off as someone not really emotionally mature...which I get...I'm sure at 21 I was far from being completely mature myself. But what inspired her to show that stuff off years after the fact?
ignoring never works with bullies.
But what will be done to stop this? Liky nothing so their power grows without any limits.
I await their admission of what they took part in, not " fans duped us attackers into attacking him more by supporting him on social media" manipulations. I can see already that they plan to make their admission as difficult as possible, and lack the necessary equipment to do so.....but I suggest they find what they need.
Thank you saying all of this. Need to hold these people accountable
Those he named are his murderers. The rest are simply scumbags.
I writer prefacing a statement with “I believe” followed by an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory says volumes about the authors trustworthiness, I believe.
Yeah until those monsters are gone from comics. Only then can i stomach supporting anything from the “mainstream” comics.
They managed to do something not even their awful writing could do. I have fallen out of love with it.
What bothers me most is that I would like to point to the reaction of the industry and say „Ed, you were wrong to take your live. Can you see their reaction, there was another way out.“ … but I can’t. I have to find other things than the people in this industry to keep on believing that suicide was the wrong way out.
yeah, been noticing this too even from people on 'our' side. like van schiver just goes on day in day out about how aweful rippa is rather than focusing on his own comics and advertising them and it's like... is this all it is? to be insulting other people you don't like? why not focus on the books that you're supposed to be promoting?
and obviously when they have something like piskor die they don't want to take responsibility.
I'm recalling similar efforts against Paul Pope, years ago before this type of attack became more coordinated. Interestingly Ed & Jim finally got an interview with Paul shortly before Ed's suicide, & little did we know that Pope's experience with this type of thing could have helped Ed. They didn't ask him about it.
I've seen a lot of comments/ posts saying that this situation is a perfect example of why social media was a mistake. I disagree with that.
Social media is just a tool, like a hammer or screwdriver. Tools are effective when used for their intended purposes, but they can be misused as weapons by their operators.
We're born with tools, our hands are biological tools that we can use to help or harm just like a hammer or social media.
I think it was Sean Gordon Murphy who said something to the effect that Twitter came along and comic pros' use of it showed them for who they really are.
As the saying goes, "Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake."
Let them put their ugliness on display, effectively cataloging and timelining their evil words and actions.
I hope Ed Piskor's family can make whatever use of their social media history as possible and that some actual legal consequences of some kind befall his murderers,
but after situations like Alec Holowka's, Vic Mignogna's, Johnny Depp's, etc., I don't have much faith that any true measure of satisfying justice will be served to them. They don't have Johnny Depp money to afford the kind of representation that got him results.
i hope alex de campi is getting a lot of hateful messages right now
GREAT THINKING CRITICAL COMICS INDUSTRY TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.
Well I'm glad people like you guys are in the comics industry.
Ed and Jim did more for comics with CK than any of these losers. The fact that these people are protected is disgusting.
I've been reading comic books for about 40 years now. I remember the interaction between editors and readers through letter columns at the end of most books. Occasionally we would be treated with a creator answering questions, though not very often as I recall. Letters to WIZARD MAGAZINE were particularly enjoyable. Ohhh, that's one milestone I'm afraid we'll never get back. Anyway, imagine my surprise when I started to surf X (back when it was just Twitter) and found out so called professionals acting like malevolent stinky hags: the clearly coordinated attack against Ellis, then against Stewart; the infamous "pledge" all creators had to "sign"; King, a grown ass adult, attacking Jae Lee, his own cover artist, just because he made a living by working with people that werent' part of their little club of friends. How did this happen? How did a healthy exchange of opinions turn into childish efforts to humiliate those we don't like? Why would this industry in particular attract so many petty souls? I don't get it.
this is a widespread thing across multi[le industries, online targeted harassment is a blight
Ed was talking at a 17 year ild girl calling her a partner in crime and asking if shes not a snitch right?
.....and.....?
Ask what you would do if a man that age asked it to your closest female relative of that age
@@kylemoore2330 Probably try to figure out who the guy is and what the fuck the guy actually means by it before going after him?
@@whiskeyhound doubtful man if this was mark Waid youd do the same shit, maybe ed wasn't a kid diddler but it certainly looked that way and when people distanced and disassociated from him then ultimately ed killed himself. How much of this narrative am I really manipulating. This asshole and the other red pillers will try to make Ed a martyr for more comic books they don't fucking read or care for just drama reels. Have all the questionable conversations with impressionable people and see it does you well in this life or the next.
He explained that in the note, saying he was showing her Red Room pages before the book was announced. And given the fact she just highlights THAT part of the conversation while cropping out or blurring out everything else, it makes me inclined to believe him. If it's so damning, then let's see the unedited conversation right? Also the "partner in crime" thing is a term Ed used for cohorts and friends on numerous occasions and they were all adults.
Thank you gents for speaking out, sadly the silent majority in the industry are not doing the same (clearly for fear of repercussion)
The entire piskor situation is so sad, he was never 100% in the mental state. This is the horrific state of cancel culture. The people who “cancelled” piskor has his blood on their hands
Wes I'm gonna be honest that molly was dressed very scandles if you see her IG you would under stand why he was talking like that he was in trapped
Any one says they never ran game on a chick (as a single man) wich IA leagal is a lier we all love girl's and don't find noting wrong with that.
Ed didn't really do anything he couldn't bounce back but cancel culture is unforgiving and act (he apologized about the 17yr old) but other false claims came out boost the wispers net works this could had been avoided
That’s not unusual at all. Society tends to make up excuses when women do something wrong, or put the blame on a man nearby.
I didn't know Ed Piskor. I don't know how perfect or imperfect he was.
But I know that he wasn't accused of a crime. He was accused of a future crime. A crime the virtue signalers, the Pharisees, the which hunters believe he may have intended to commit. Seeing an opportunity to hurt someone, they chose to use that to destroy what he believed in. To destroy him as a person.
I wish he had been able to get through this, because there's something on the other side. But I also know depression, and it causes you to make bad choices. In the moment Ed couldn't see though the haze. You can read in his words that his belief in himself is completely gone.
Unlike a movie or TV show, the accusers will not feel bad for what they did when they see the consequences. They are likely literal Narcissists, people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. They will deny reality to extremes to avoid accepting responsibility. All we can do is find ways to expose their actions to others.
He wasn’t even accused of a future crime, the DMs shown made it very clear that he wouldn’t go for a minor. The point of all this was that he acted creepy and being a creep, not a P, was the crime. Even the woman (21) accusing him of it clearly stated that Ed Piskor wasn’t a P, just a creep.
So yeah, he died for being creepy, not for any fear of him committing any crimes. That’s also why there was no way out for Ed Piskor as he couldn’t proof a thing, being considered a creep is ultimately a subjective thing, not a crime.
EXCELLENT WORK. THINKING CRITICAL
Awesome work guys
Dang dude, I literally have so many of Ed’s comics, and just wanted to watch a video on him and all this pops up. I will forever keep all his art work I have collected so far 🤦🏽♂️
You can't tame Monsters with words.
Amazing conversation, loved how this ended. Nothing else to say
"Show me your fave panel"???? The man just died!!!
Ok, i liked X-Men Grand Design, am i allowed to have thoughts about this now Alex???
Jeez what a piece of work.
This is the nail in the coffin for every company that has these murderers working for them.. they killed the fun of comics. Its tainted of disgust!! Of these narcissists = Psychopaths.
Independent comics for the win
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I watched Ya Boi Zack breakdown videos. He doesn't sugar coat what happened. It's also the usual suspects.
Only in the toxic ecosystem of twitter could these people hope to survive
Their only relevance is because of Ed’s letter.
I think congratulations are order. IT seems the bullies have driven all of the true creatives out of the industry as well as the customers. Most of the comics people I know are only interested in crowd funding their own projects and supporting same. Not interested in supporting modern comics. Am collecting omnibus editions of Kirby's work from the 60s. Would rather live in the past were the craft and story was the purpose of the comic. All the cry bullies can continue their precious gatekeeping to a dead industry. The day has come where they are the only ones interested in purchasing their work which is like a mediocre Cook, calling him or herself a "chef", bad mouthing the true chefs and then opening a restaurant where other horrible cooks share their dishes. The food is no good, everyone knows it, and more important, real restaurants know NOT to hire these cooks or let them near the kitchen because they spoil (literally) anything they touch.
the unforunate thing aaron is that no comics people aren't THE worst people. they're just a sample of the worst.
Ed Piskor isnt dead i just saw a video of Comic Kayfabe. It was posted only two hours ago. They took us inside the hidden complexitys of Thunderstrike #1.
Disgusting
What is this "whisper network"?
Everyone is a Victim nowadays. Ed, Cheryl, and the rest of the community. Own your actions and opinions.
I enjoyed Ed Piskor's work and Cartoonist Kayfabe. I'm sad for his passing. I hate bullies. I will remember.
Sad to have to go back to the well on this issue, but the clarity and decency that Aaron demonstrates is a great example of what Thinking Critical is capable of. Ed leaves a big wake, and many people need to do some heavy analysis. Sad that something so fun and enjoyable like comics has become so symptomatic of the cultural rot that is America today.
There are no words besides disgusting. 😑
Cheryl was Putting so Much work in these tweets I Jumped out of it. she slowly transforms this to Once again a space where ( all women ) should be protected despite all things. she Missed the entire matter. we should do what Gevian always tell me .. "Trust But Verify"
The BS females can get away with under ‘emotional’ pretense and this being normal is a blemish on society…
Maybe they should be called out at Comic Conventions on live panels. You'll probably get kicked out, but they need to take accountability.
Woah what the fuck? Dude killed himself?
As far as I'm concerned, people that were jumping on RUclips to report about it and stoke fires are just as guilty as the people on that list.
I never paid attention to comics youtubers but I found out about a thing called Comicsgate over this and they were awful and instrumental in Ed's death. I found a guy Jon Del Arroz who says he is a big conicsgate guy in my Marvel Masterworks forums preforming yellow journalism and stoking fires of hate and hiding behind alt accounts. It's gross. I see you made videos about Ed before this all happened, so maybe you should look in a mirror and ask if YOU contributed too.
I've been hearing about backstabbing and whisper black lists since like 07 or 08, and the name De Campi has been on my radar as garbage for well a decade, but it looks to me this comicsgate is the same exact thing. But instead of hiding behind social justice, it's hiding behind politics.
Maybe we should ALL ignore garbage people from ALL sides and maybe not jump on bandwagons or report and give oxygen to any bullshit gossip.
De mortuis nil nisi bonum.
Even if the dead are scumbags, it’s just petty to speak ill when there’s more constructive and practical things you can do.
my view its was the pros and the community who failed ed
Crybullies try to ‘top’ from the ‘bottom.’