Great video, my Dad was in the Boy Scouts in the mid '40s to early 50'. He used a surplus cold weather down sleeping bag and surplus pup tent I used to play in the bag yard when I was a kid. The only items to survive that I'm aware of is his signature Boy Scouts backpack and mess kit.
Yes: that is one that was still familiar in the 1950s. These days, we might orient the bag to be away from the prevailing wind and the awning would be raised higher than the bulk of the bag to shed water better.
A tent is certainly more preferred but at a time when money, especially for young people was tight, it was an okay alternative. Shelter building was also more of a practiced skill in the 1920's and 1930's from what I can tell.
TESTING in advance is 'super user' stuff. I would pair this kit with raised bed technology. Somehow, Scouting always seems to assume a deep bed of pine needles over sand😊.
On the matter of these objects getting fragile due to age, it is possible to make a template based off the original, and make a reproduction. The materials used then aren't all that uncommon now. I posted this over on BushcraftUSA, looking for input on the design. Personally, I think the design is better than the current bivy sacks, as it gives the user better situational awareness. Prehaps a reproduction using modern materials and methods is in order. I can see a inflatable pad built into the bottom, a gortex shell on the sleeping bag, and some kind of nylon or even canvas hood.
Another awesome vid (that I finally had the time to view)! The sleeping back is soooo cuteee by the way, especially with the lil' "balcony" on top. To be honest, this would be amazing to sleep in outside, especially with the summer months coming up. Also, I might not really be into camping or the 1930's, yet, again, you managed make this showcase truly enjoyable. Can't wait for your next vid!!
hahaha, thank you, it is kinda cute w/ a practical aspect to it. A knowledgeable historical camping enthusiast informed me that this style of sleeping bag was designed in the 1893 by a company called Kenwood and marketed for the Klondike Gold Rush. I truly appreciate your kindness and am very happy that it was interesting to you, thanks for the comment and support. I hope you have a great week!
@@honorableoutfitters I did a bit of a search and found out that the Kenwood one came without fasteners "of any kind", so that you could sleep on either side. Not posting the link because of YT
That is interesting! My friend @sargevining has a Kenwood or two and he did a video on his awhile ago. After seeing his I have kept my eye out for out to add to my collection. Thanks for watching and the info friend!
@@honorableoutfitters Thank you for that, it was a discovery. Now, if only camping laws in my area weren't so restrictive... but vacation will come some sunny day ahead
Excellent video. I am a boy scout and am working on eagle. I just got a bsa garrison cap yesterday and that kinda got me into this older equipment. So I was wondering what do you think are some essential pieces of kit from this Era to look for? A lot of my equipment is Alice gear I love it and it works great but there is just something charming about the sturdy canvas and the roots of scouting. Thank you!
Congratulations on your hard work thus far, I hope you stay with it and earn the Eagle. What a awesome question and one that I had not considered until now. From the 1930's into the 40's I would go with a Yucca 574 as the pack as it has plenty of space for your equipment needs and can be waterproofed using modern silicone sprays or the waxed canvas method. I am 6'1" and 230 lbs and they are a bit too small for me in the straps BUT you can get a frame or build one to use it...which has a whole other series of benefits for campcraft/bushcraft. The older compasses are FAR superior to the ones today in regards to sensitivity but they did not have a declination adjustment so you just need to take that into consideration, a belt knife (if your troop allows it, mine allows it once a Scout earns 1st Class) AND a pocket knife, and the historical scouts carried hatchets for pioneering projects and wood processing. The older Wearever messkits are so much better than the modern Walmart aluminum messkits, they are heavier gauge thus cook more evenly, are more durable, and you can bake and cook anything in it for an individual. I like the older fire-starting kits but they serve the same way as modern ones, the aesthetics and history resonate with me. Examples include the roll-up flint and steel kits and the Marbles match safe. All of these can be had affordably on Ebay. Once you break into other areas such as tenting, the older equipment can get much heavier than modern equipment for their intended purpose. This would be a great video idea, lol. I appreciate your support brother.
Thank you sir. There is actually a old external frame that was listed on facebook market place pretty near me for 5 dollars that I may go and look at. Are they similar to alice frames? I don't know a whole lot about the scout ones specifically how large they are, I am just shy of 6 foot and 140 pounds and I dont know if there are meant for a younger boy of smaller stature. As for a belt knife I just got an M1 carbine bayonet and sheath that I will be using plus a pocket knife. I have a US military mess kit that works well and will probably stick with however i do really like that the scout ones have a canvas carry bag. I totally agree on the historical and coolness bit and understand the weight aspect, heck my MSS sleeping bag weighs around 9lbs I believe. Thanks for the response, keep doing what you're doing!
Hi you said your a scout leader, do you take this gear on monthly camp outs or do you use modern gear. Those monthly camping trip beat up your gear over time.
Some pieces are more suitable than others to take out. Pieces made from fabric are generally not taken care of as well as they should be so generally those are fore display only. This particular sleeping bag is not really suitable for normal use. I have a 90 year old Woods sleeping bag that is almost like new and is one of my favorites to take out but it was not abused and made of superior materials. I generally play on the side of caution
@@honorableoutfitters Yes, the metal items like cookware and mess kit probably never go bad. I have 2 Eagle Scout and was a leader for many years. Enjoy the time, you will blink and it will go fast. It was a great way for me to bond with my boys. Also to a appreciate how lucky I am to have 2 great kids. Thanks for your video
Yeah...brain farts...one of the problems with the "Tube" is once a video is posted you can't go back to edit the video and re-upload it. I would need to delete it to do so. :)
Perhaps? The idea is almost the same I suppose. I could see an argument for it. I think lighter weight technologies, economics of camp gear, especially waterproofing materials made the bivy a thing. Early campers and backpackers that wanted to cut weight needed to cut out air double up equipment uses...so why not get rid of the tent? Just some quick thoughts.
@Honorable Outfitters Mr. Dyer's Musings I was hoping some detailed pictures font back laid out close ups, Notes on features materials and measurements would be all I would need to make a really close replica. The videos is amazing but I cannot get all the stills or close up of the features. And thanks for the reply. I really enjoyed the video.
Hahaha, yes...for some reason I kept saying Ernest (for Ernest Thompson Seton) instead of Horace. I have been reading Ernest's books recently and when I was recording I even caught myself and struggled to remember Ernest's name but my brain already associated it with Kephart (struggles of having ADD, lol). Thanks for noticing the error, it shows that you were at least paying attention. I appreciate your support friend.
None that I am aware of BUT this style was common into the 1950's in the "civilian" or common marketplace so they can be found on Ebay regularly. Sarge Vining was taking orders for a reproduction sleeping bag in his collection that uses ties instead of snaps or zippers and I don't believe it had the canopy. Reach out to him on his channel or his Facebook group Bannerman's Camp.
![1930s Hobo Haversack! [ Classic Gear! ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tndYSoB3mBA/mqdefault.jpg)
Don't forget to subscribe! ruclips.net/channel/UCQCrHMuOcIaZ0g--SecB4yA
Great video, my Dad was in the Boy Scouts in the mid '40s to early 50'. He used a surplus cold weather down sleeping bag and surplus pup tent I used to play in the bag yard when I was a kid. The only items to survive that I'm aware of is his signature Boy Scouts backpack and mess kit.
Thank you. Those GI cold weather sleeping bags did as advertised but BOY are they heavy. Thanks for the support Dale!
At one time Abercrombie and Fitch made a sleeping bag like that. That company used to be quite the outfitters.
i had one like that in the 50's.what was so good about it was that you could drape bug net over that flap.
That's a solid idea! Did you use it often in place of a tent?
THANK YOU SO MUCH! You are the only one with a video that had the bag we have 🙏 you're seriously awesome!
Glad I could help! It is a really neat piece
I had a 1967 bag very similar to this...water resistant bottom...nice "tarp" over it...doubled as covering for bag...
Did you ever sleep under the stars with it and get a spot of rain? If so how well did it serve the purpose?
Yes: that is one that was still familiar in the 1950s. These days, we might orient the bag to be away from the prevailing wind and the awning would be raised higher than the bulk of the bag to shed water better.
That is neat! Having the "hood" open in the back on one side seems like an issue, but still really cool!
A tent is certainly more preferred but at a time when money, especially for young people was tight, it was an okay alternative. Shelter building was also more of a practiced skill in the 1920's and 1930's from what I can tell.
These were still in use, as I saw MANY of these when I was Scouting in the 1960's.
That's very cool! I especially loved the sleeve on the bottom, it's a built-in browse bed. In waxed canvas or oilskin that would be so perfect.
That would be cool!
Great video. That sleeping bag is pretty sweet, super cool to see it. I still prefer blankets. I am a hammock camper for the most part.
Wow! This model is indeed in the many drawings of the scout patrol leader book I mentioned you in other comments.
Too small for a 6' man but perfect for a 5' young person!
TESTING in advance is 'super user' stuff. I would pair this kit with raised bed technology. Somehow, Scouting always seems to assume a deep bed of pine needles over sand😊.
Thank you and a great tip!
On the matter of these objects getting fragile due to age, it is possible to make a template based off the original, and make a reproduction. The materials used then aren't all that uncommon now. I posted this over on BushcraftUSA, looking for input on the design. Personally, I think the design is better than the current bivy sacks, as it gives the user better situational awareness. Prehaps a reproduction using modern materials and methods is in order. I can see a inflatable pad built into the bottom, a gortex shell on the sleeping bag, and some kind of nylon or even canvas hood.
I agree, the gortex shell would add to the warmth factor as well :)
you looked like you did not know what you were doing in the beginning of the video !! hahahahaha !!
In truth...I really didn't, lol. It was the first time I set it up, when I started I had a vague idea of how to get the end result. :)
Another awesome vid (that I finally had the time to view)! The sleeping back is soooo cuteee by the way, especially with the lil' "balcony" on top. To be honest, this would be amazing to sleep in outside, especially with the summer months coming up. Also, I might not really be into camping or the 1930's, yet, again, you managed make this showcase truly enjoyable. Can't wait for your next vid!!
hahaha, thank you, it is kinda cute w/ a practical aspect to it. A knowledgeable historical camping enthusiast informed me that this style of sleeping bag was designed in the 1893 by a company called Kenwood and marketed for the Klondike Gold Rush. I truly appreciate your kindness and am very happy that it was interesting to you, thanks for the comment and support. I hope you have a great week!
@@honorableoutfitters I did a bit of a search and found out that the Kenwood one came without fasteners "of any kind", so that you could sleep on either side. Not posting the link because of YT
That is interesting! My friend @sargevining has a Kenwood or two and he did a video on his awhile ago. After seeing his I have kept my eye out for out to add to my collection. Thanks for watching and the info friend!
@@honorableoutfitters Thank you for that, it was a discovery. Now, if only camping laws in my area weren't so restrictive... but vacation will come some sunny day ahead
Excellent video. I am a boy scout and am working on eagle. I just got a bsa garrison cap yesterday and that kinda got me into this older equipment. So I was wondering what do you think are some essential pieces of kit from this Era to look for? A lot of my equipment is Alice gear I love it and it works great but there is just something charming about the sturdy canvas and the roots of scouting. Thank you!
Congratulations on your hard work thus far, I hope you stay with it and earn the Eagle. What a awesome question and one that I had not considered until now. From the 1930's into the 40's I would go with a Yucca 574 as the pack as it has plenty of space for your equipment needs and can be waterproofed using modern silicone sprays or the waxed canvas method. I am 6'1" and 230 lbs and they are a bit too small for me in the straps BUT you can get a frame or build one to use it...which has a whole other series of benefits for campcraft/bushcraft. The older compasses are FAR superior to the ones today in regards to sensitivity but they did not have a declination adjustment so you just need to take that into consideration, a belt knife (if your troop allows it, mine allows it once a Scout earns 1st Class) AND a pocket knife, and the historical scouts carried hatchets for pioneering projects and wood processing. The older Wearever messkits are so much better than the modern Walmart aluminum messkits, they are heavier gauge thus cook more evenly, are more durable, and you can bake and cook anything in it for an individual. I like the older fire-starting kits but they serve the same way as modern ones, the aesthetics and history resonate with me. Examples include the roll-up flint and steel kits and the Marbles match safe. All of these can be had affordably on Ebay. Once you break into other areas such as tenting, the older equipment can get much heavier than modern equipment for their intended purpose. This would be a great video idea, lol. I appreciate your support brother.
Thank you sir. There is actually a old external frame that was listed on facebook market place pretty near me for 5 dollars that I may go and look at. Are they similar to alice frames? I don't know a whole lot about the scout ones specifically how large they are, I am just shy of 6 foot and 140 pounds and I dont know if there are meant for a younger boy of smaller stature. As for a belt knife I just got an M1 carbine bayonet and sheath that I will be using plus a pocket knife. I have a US military mess kit that works well and will probably stick with however i do really like that the scout ones have a canvas carry bag. I totally agree on the historical and coolness bit and understand the weight aspect, heck my MSS sleeping bag weighs around 9lbs I believe. Thanks for the response, keep doing what you're doing!
They are very similar, the Boy Scout ones have what could be described as a shelf where a tent or bedroll could be lashed/attached. Thank you!
Thank you for the help.
Awesome 👍
Thanks brother! If you liked this one, check out my video on the Woods sleeping bag. It is deluxe and was considered the best in the early 1900's!
Hi you said your a scout leader, do you take this gear on monthly camp outs or do you use modern gear. Those monthly camping trip beat up your gear over time.
Some pieces are more suitable than others to take out. Pieces made from fabric are generally not taken care of as well as they should be so generally those are fore display only. This particular sleeping bag is not really suitable for normal use. I have a 90 year old Woods sleeping bag that is almost like new and is one of my favorites to take out but it was not abused and made of superior materials. I generally play on the side of caution
@@honorableoutfitters
Yes, the metal items like cookware and mess kit probably never go bad. I have 2 Eagle Scout and was a leader for many years. Enjoy the time, you will blink and it will go fast. It was a great way for me to bond with my boys. Also to a appreciate how lucky I am to have 2 great kids. Thanks for your video
THAT IS HORACE Kephart.
Yeah...brain farts...one of the problems with the "Tube" is once a video is posted you can't go back to edit the video and re-upload it. I would need to delete it to do so. :)
The forerunner of the modern bivi bag?
Perhaps? The idea is almost the same I suppose. I could see an argument for it. I think lighter weight technologies, economics of camp gear, especially waterproofing materials made the bivy a thing. Early campers and backpackers that wanted to cut weight needed to cut out air double up equipment uses...so why not get rid of the tent? Just some quick thoughts.
Hey I went looking to see I could make a pattern to construct one my self can you offer any help.
I have been unable to find a pattern but I have asked several others I know if they knew where to find one.
@Honorable Outfitters Mr. Dyer's Musings I was hoping some detailed pictures font back laid out close ups, Notes on features materials and measurements would be all I would need to make a really close replica. The videos is amazing but I cannot get all the stills or close up of the features. And thanks for the reply. I really enjoyed the video.
@@Theantichrist9Tails send me an email and I will get you what I can
Horace Kephart
Hahaha, yes...for some reason I kept saying Ernest (for Ernest Thompson Seton) instead of Horace. I have been reading Ernest's books recently and when I was recording I even caught myself and struggled to remember Ernest's name but my brain already associated it with Kephart (struggles of having ADD, lol). Thanks for noticing the error, it shows that you were at least paying attention. I appreciate your support friend.
@@honorableoutfitters Good videos! That sleeping bag setup was very interesting. Thanks!
Do they sell a repro?
None that I am aware of BUT this style was common into the 1950's in the "civilian" or common marketplace so they can be found on Ebay regularly. Sarge Vining was taking orders for a reproduction sleeping bag in his collection that uses ties instead of snaps or zippers and I don't believe it had the canopy. Reach out to him on his channel or his Facebook group Bannerman's Camp.