I think one thing you forgot to mention was the memorial show for Mitch's death. Even though his death was tragic and an accident, not many bands/frontmen get that kind of recognition. Only a couple demos and 3 albums in the span of a decade, really goes to show the impact and legacy Mitch Lucker had on not only the deathcore scene, but for metal as a whole.
Freddie Mercury was the last one I can think of before Mitch. And that had Axl and Metallica. To think that bands that came out AFTER SS paid tribute to him. And Danny fucking killed it.
@@ChristopherJames1993 big chocolate, fucking BOZEMAN AND BLYTHE! They ALL killed it! Terrible fuckin crowd though. I know he was from Cali but they should've brought that show to the east coast. Everyone in that crowd was a scene bitch and zero testosterone.
Suicide Silence was huge when I was in high school, and I'll own up to being one of those metal elitists who actively hated them. I've never cared for their music, but a lot of what I think hurt their standing with the metal crowd was more based on their fan base, not anything they actually had control over. When you're a metal head in high school, you don't want to be associated with the scene kids with giant gauges in their ears, and their scene haircuts, and girl jeans. Really we called SS "emo" and "screamo" as an insult, because to us their fans looked exactly the same as the emo kids. "They can't be metal, only emos listen to them." High school logic, everybody.
I was on both sides of the fence growing up. Elitist first, then in the pursuit of female interest I adapted the emo and scene kid look and style. it bothered so many of my friends from each group when I would tell them their root music values are literally exactly the same as the other group. Like, all their parents all listened to the same stuff, it was mostly an imagery issue between fans only the same styles. I also learned most metal kids in my area all actually liked playing SS when they would buy musical equipment. Especially drummers. Take a "Metal Kid" who hates the emo scene, and show him WAKE UP by SS, give him some drums, and you're going to blow his mind, and piss every friend he has off at the same time.
Couldn’t say it better. I was a thrash kid in jr high. Long hair, sleeveless denim vest with Nuclear Assault, sepultura, Destruction patches etc, a slayer back patch. Anyone who listened to that stuff was a poser to me. Then I saw whitechapel - possession on headbangers ball. And it freaked me out so much that I couldn’t help but love it. Totally get what you’re expressing haha
I was listening to them in high school, and still listen to them now. I have a friend who always made fun of me because I really liked them and I wore their merch and now he is really into them himself, thats how the turn tables.
I'm know I'm late to this party, but here we are...Anyway, "The Cleansing" was recorded live, but not like at a show. The band set up in the studio and played / recorded as a full band, as opposed to playing their respective parts in a iso. booth and laying their respective tracks down...All of those songs are full play-throughs with zero studio fuckery
You are definitely right but I think Whitechapel also added to it, SS were the high scream band of deathcore , Whitechapel were the gutteral , filthy murderous band closer to grindcore , they both were the pioneers of deathcore. Just in different ways. For me anyways Rip Mitch 💜
You cant forget Chelsea Grin, they had loads of heavy as fuck songs back in the day SS,Whitechaple and CG got me into the whole Slam/beatdown toilet vocal brutal slamming shit that just rocked my mind, and still does to this day.
I graduated in mid 2000's IN Riverside, CA so this video legit was my teenage years. I appreciate this vid man ! Suicide Silence was my favorite band all through the mid 2000s, I miss mitch so much.
The transition clips with that gate keeper are priceless. That guy is a perfect example to show how gate keepers would rather the genre go stagnant and die then let others in.
I got into Deathcore mainly through Bring Me The Horizon. Their 2004 ep This Is What the Edge & 2006 Count Your Blessings were also very important for the Deathcore scene imo
Personally met Mitch and got to sit and talked with him for about an hour after their first show in Bangkok, he's one of the nicest and most down-to-earth person (let alone a Rockstar which he was at that point) I've ever met. And their live performance turned me into becoming their fans.
Lol the black crown had a song featuring Jonathan from korn, can’t deny the nu metal there😅. Also I feel like whitechapel and their new album might be launching us into deathcore 4.0. Adding clean vocals, more melodies but still crushing heavy riffs. I’m calling it for sure
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 ya if we're calling deathcore 4.0 the blackened version then we gotta give it to black tongue for pushing it in that direction, not whitechapel.i would almost say deathcore is splitting with some bands going the blackened route like black tongue and methwitch and some are going for the more heartfelt emotional route like whitechapel and Fit for an Autopsy
It's really sad how every band Finn talks about, whom generally are known, now, to be a great band (by most people, at least) was just shrugged off when they were active and rising. For example, I'm a big MCR fan, they're basically my gateway to heavier music, but back when I started listening to "real Metal" like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, I started pretty much feeling ashamed because I listened to My Chemical Romance. Now, it makes me really happy to see people actually giving them (and other bandas like A7X, blink-182, and others) their due respect.
Huh? Blink-182, MCR, and A7X were huge with their claim to fame albums. I would say A7X had the fastest rise of the 3. Metal is in a weird spot where everyone is family but a lot of them are dicks and gate keepers. Just like what you like. You can't listen to straight metal all the time sometimes you got to change it up.
Well, maybe it was just where I lived xD I'm actually brzillian, and the whole Emo culture and genre isn't really that respected here, to this day, and I'm only 20, so I didn't really see the "rise and fall" of all those bands. What I meant is, at least with lots of people that I made contact with, even those into metal, Emo in general is seen as an "inferior genre" or "not real metal", and I see LOTS of people who still won't give A7X, blink-182 and specially MCR a listen, just because of genre and appearance. But yeah, Brazil, not really the most mentally evolved and open-minded people xD
"If they're between the ages of 25 and 30, they're a 98% chance that there's a Suicide Silence shirt in a box at their parents house, because they wore that thing to school four times a week when they were sixteen." You hit the nail on the head right there for me. I'm 27, and I had at least three Suicide Silence shirts, including one from after Mitch died that Hot Topic was selling to benefit Mitch's daughter. I randomly came across The Cleansing, and that 100% got me into the heavy shit. They were my gateway to deathcore, metalcore, death metal, etc. I preordered No Time To Bleed once it was announced. Great band that will forever have a place in my rotation.
I love suicide silence as much as I love cannibal corpse, dying fetus, slayer and exodus. I think you can like death metal, thrash metal and death core at the same. I don’t care what anyone says great video I’m going to grab a monster my flat brim hat and my suicide silence shirt. RIP Mitch
Its just different types of people that listens to the old death metal bands like dying fetus and those types of bands. The concerts bring out all the oldschool close minded punch eachother in the face metal has to sound brutal no singing jenko jeens big muscles type of people and just arent that fun imo to go to. Newer bands atleast the 2005-2019 metalcore/deathcore/progressive like new veil of maya atb new erra make them suffer kind of bands bring out the nicest people to their shows not always super heavy but still technical great sounding unique well produced and heartfealt : )
Slayer, Exodus, Dying fetus , Cannibal corpse r among my top favorite bands, then comes suicide silence crushing the scene when the cleansing album came out, the next lvl was Apprehended by suicide silence
My former band recorded with Will at the Machine Shop immediately after they recorded No Time to Bleed. We got to experience the "chamber" that Machine made :D
I feel like there's a djenty, prog-influenced strain of deathcore that spawned around 2012 with bands like Born of Osiris, Veil of Maya and Chelsea Grin combining deathcore melodies and song structures with Periphery-style guitar riffs and synths and with greater changes in volume level and intensity.
Yep. I consider them the pioneers of deathcore, especially with what they did with The Ils Of Modern Man over SS, but SS were also big and good. Probably because SS were from US and DI from Canada.
I still distinctly remember hearing "Unanswered" for the first time and thinking that was the heaviest shit I had ever heard... and I was listening to "real" death metal at the time! Still throw that record and No Time to Bleed on from time to time
Thx for this. Was fortunate to tour alongside them on Music As A Weapon IV, and Pedal To The Metal tours. Mitch was larger than life on stage, and you're correct, he was super fucking sweet offstage. He is missed.
Thats where I first came across them. we were there waiting for the doors to open and we stumbled across the smaller stage in the back of civc center and thought we snuck into something else (we figured it out later when we got our shirts,it was part of the tour but wasn't advertised on the radio) the stage was smaller,but artists were actually acknowledging the fans
It was CRAZY how my Red State Rock friends were sharing You Only Live Once on Facebook after Black Crown dropped. That song in particular completely changed the game and ushered in the Deathcore 3.0/Nu-Metal crossover you're talking about.
Dude I thought I was the only one who wore my suicide silence shirt to work! Hahaha that is so cool dude. I guarantee we would be the best of friends. Ps I also have a r.i.p. Mitch lucker shirt that I wear to work as well.
So good to see As Blood Runs Black get some recognition. For me personally, it was From A Second Story Window that got me into Deathcore. Then it was the first Born Of Osiris album.
I always loved this band. When I heard songs like unanswered, no pity for a coward and bludgeoned to death I never knew how heavy a band could get. Now a days we take that for granted, but when they came out at the time where those types of songs were scarce it really made an impact on how you can keep getting heavier and creative at the same time. Awesome video as always man!🤘🏻🙌🏻
@@KevinTheMetalhead Well, considering its a different band entirely, I would imagine they wouldn't try to recreate the song _identically_ Thats why its a *cover*
@@DaRealChevythang True. And if Brittney Spears covered it I wouldn't be aggro at her for not making the exact same song.. I'd be aggro at her for ruining it.. Which is what we are doing here.
I met Mitch in 2009 at Music as a Weapon tour he was so chill he took photos, autographs, and even gave advice to young fans asking about screams. Chill guy I've even got a picture with him!
I used to play for two of the bands that you either mentioned/played in this video. I can confidently back up that no one ever had a bad thing to say about Mitch. Even when all of us were jealous that they were blowing up and stealing the show when we played with them, everyone was cheering them on because Mitch and the rest of the band were all really solid dudes.
Great video. I remember when You Only Live Once dropped, falling in love with them and watching the vid over and over back when The Black Crown came out in 2011 and thinking the dirty 7 string riffs resembled so much of the Nu-Metal I’d been listening to years and was super pleased by it. It opened up my eyes to their music and much more that I’d never even known about up until that point. Thank you for making this dude!!!!! Makes me miss those years.
Then now there's Deathcore 4.0, with slam, goregrind, Rap, and prog influences, such as Acrania, Signs of the Swarm, Shadow of Intent, and Slaughter to Prevail
Shoutout to my one and only home: Corona, CA. Garza is a friend of mine and he’s one of the most humble and genuine dudes. What’s funny is he just loved KoRn, Slipknot, and Wormed so he started a band and I’m sure he had no idea he was going to basically define a genre but here we are. Love this band, love this channel
Their live performance was the best part. I saw them in 2009 and it was the sickest shit ever. Hair swinging ,Mitch stomping on stage and a deftones cover. Good times
the cleansing was recorded live in the studio instead of track-by-track . and it's stil absolutely crushing compared to a lot of releases . that just says a ton
I written off Deathcore as a breakdown heavy death metal. Guess what I actually listen to Suicide Silence after watching this video. As of now I can say I was fool not to these guys a try. Thanks Finn, keep the good work!
He took his singing very seriously and would do legit serious warm ups before and cool downs after each performance. People would try to talk to him during warm ups and i would feel bad to tell them sorry but he cant talk right now (he loved talking to the fans)
One of my favorite bands had two singers. One for growls, one for screams. Mitch did both, especially with the highs. His versatility made him great. Others have tried, but experienced vocal damage. Mitch’s range was his gift
Ive been waiting for this video! I was definitely a Deathcore 2.0 era fan. This band is one of my biggest influences as far as vocals and overall performance,
Watching this video was a blast from the past. I love Suicide Silence so much. I was fortunate enough to see them with Mitch when the played warped like 10 years ago. I have to say Eddie was the only vocalist that could have ever been able to fill his role. I've seen them two or three times with Eddie and they are absolutely phenomenal live still and are still killing it to this day. You Can't Stop Me is an incredible album and they still blow me away. One of my favorite bands to this day still. Thanks for making this. Mad respect to SS and to you for making this video.
I’m not a fan of deathcore, but will always have a soft spot for Suicide Silence. The Cleansing was a great record and the whole band is very talented. I think it’s great they helped bring even heavier metal to a more mainstream spotlight, even if it’s looked down upon by heavier metal purists. Edit: I mixed up The Cleansing and Unanswered, sorry. Always think of Unasnwered as the standout and forget it’s not the album name.
rorz999 plenty of the mathcore/sasscore music being made still. sysc like you mentioned, the callous daoboys, .gif from god, nocapitalsnospaces, p.s.you’redead, and Binary to name a handful
Perfect timing. I've been going through SS albums this week, going down memory lane🤘🏼🤘🏼 I started listening to Death Metal in 90s but I wasn't an elitist and enjoyed the deathcore scene when it started. Epic video as always man!
The No Time To Bleed album is something I’ve never forgotten and still listen to it through and through, at least once a year. It’s a special, extremely nostalgic record to me. Great video!
Ive always noticed that there was like a style or sound from bands like the early taim, suicide silence, rose funeral, abrb, bmth (deathcore early phase). .. that i loved but never get to describe it well.Thanks for putting a name to it and its amazing how you deconstruct the 3 eras cuz it basicly defines how deathcore bands evolved with the years. If i have to make a guess for the future, deathcore is starting a 4th era with bands like lorna shore, signs of the swarm, carnifex, within destruction, oceano, shrine of malice. .. That are adding heavy influences of Black metal, slam and hardcore but really well produced and smh even darker and heavier than some of the bands from that genres (wich i love) as always amazing video, very informative and enterteining, greetings from Costa Rica✌️
i got into them kinda late (around the black crown era right before mitch passed away) but they were easily the talk of my high school at the time. they easily helped codify deathcore and have left a legacy. hopefully they get their shit together on the next cd.
Great vid. I was lucky enough to catch them on their 2010 warped tour run. Love that note about the foot on the monitor. I was front and center so I definitely got the full effect. Honestly I've never vibed with an artist so well -- felt like Mitch was staring into my soul. He must have known. Until we meet again.
I was in high school when these guys showed up on the scene. I was a death metal snob to the max. I hated these guys. I was all about slam, old school death metal, and goregrind. These guys looked so wimpy and emo to me at the time. I’ve grown up since then and 100% agree with everything you said in this video. (Except I think Whitecapel is the best deathcore band of all time. I think it just stems from my personal preference).
I’ve never seen any of your videos before and I have LOVED every second of this video! I found myself nodding along in agreement with all of the stuff that you said. I never really knew the history of the band because although I grew up a semi-scene kid, I listened mostly( some exceptions obviously) to local or regional bands throughout most of my teens. In no particular order it was a lot of With Blood Comes Cleansing, Norma Jean, The Chariot, Impending Doom, Underoath, Nodes of Ranvier, etc. I always remember looking for the next hardest thing and that when I found out more about White Chapel, As Blood Runs Black, Dr Acula, etc. ANYWAY! You just earned yourself a new subscriber!
I would love to see a video about the melodeath scene from scandinavia & the big bands of the genre who kinda created it (In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, At the Gates). Their history & story is really interesting, and their evolution too. Anyway, loved the SS video, great video as always!
No pity for a coward was a eye opener for me, then I checked out their older stuff..mindblown. Black Crown really was the metalest of them all, and of course an emotional one. RIP Mitch bro
Mitch also really loved the fans and always thought that the fans were responsible for all their success, which is pretty much true. He always said "Without the fans, our band ain't shit." Yeah, most musicians always say they admire their fans, but I believe Mitch was one of the few that actually meant it when he said it.
I wasn't and still am not a fan of deathcore (Suicide Silence included), but when I was in my mid-20s I changed my whole attitude towards music and can appreciate things in a different way and God damn, that bit about their recording/production process makes me respect them so much. They really worked hard and went the extra mile. That's really inspiring to me! edit: gonna check out No Time To Bleed and Black Crown for sure!
what added to their spread of popularity is the fact you could embed a copy of their video to your myspace page. this was right when music video websites popped up & shut down every week due to the need to personalize your myspace page with embed-able content. this was like, 04-05-06 and youtube was barely a thing. music videos were actually being KEPT OFF of youtube and taken down, so that video was huge for people. respect.
Can we please have a video dedicated to bands like Stick To Your Guns and The Ghost Inside? The more Finn references them, the more I would like him to talk about them (because they're really great bands that deserve being talked about).
Suicide Silence was my all time favorite band in high school. When Mitch Lucker died, a part of me died that day. I had the honor of meeting him about 8 months before he died, he loved my fan art that i made for him, i drew a portrait of him! He posted it on his instagram too :) that made 15 year old so happy.
@@StevenxWebb So, they didn't exist within the context of the so cal bands i mentioned? Seems super weird and pedantic to think that, especially since every single one of the bands I mentioned played the showcase and the IE bands played LA as well.
I had the pleasure of seeing Suicide Silence live at the muse in Nashville shortly after their album The Cleansing came out. Mitch's headbang was definitely something to behold...
I love all the 'in the studio' tidbits you share with us here, inject that shit directly into my veins! I never knew that one of my all time favourite Metal albums was recorded live in the studio, that's insane!
I remember listening to the first album for the first time and thinking it was great, and the same happened with the second one. Suicide Silence with Mitch was a great band.
You're right about production quality holding the genre back... Just listen to Whitechapel album the Somatic Defilement, and I don't mean the remastered version. It's terrible. The music is incredible but the production quality is just ass
Mitch had insane stage presence. Don't forget he was like 6'5. Larger than life for sure. RIP.
IRLtrolls 6’3 actually
I'm 5'8 maybe 5'9 mitch was barely 6 foot
water bear no way, he was definitely over 6 feet
Burning inside
It's crazy to think that he made something as simple as a stomp look so badass
I think one thing you forgot to mention was the memorial show for Mitch's death. Even though his death was tragic and an accident, not many bands/frontmen get that kind of recognition. Only a couple demos and 3 albums in the span of a decade, really goes to show the impact and legacy Mitch Lucker had on not only the deathcore scene, but for metal as a whole.
Freddie Mercury was the last one I can think of before Mitch. And that had Axl and Metallica. To think that bands that came out AFTER SS paid tribute to him. And Danny fucking killed it.
@@ChristopherJames1993 big chocolate, fucking BOZEMAN AND BLYTHE! They ALL killed it! Terrible fuckin crowd though. I know he was from Cali but they should've brought that show to the east coast. Everyone in that crowd was a scene bitch and zero testosterone.
Love this comment bc it’s the truth!
Suicide Silence was huge when I was in high school, and I'll own up to being one of those metal elitists who actively hated them. I've never cared for their music, but a lot of what I think hurt their standing with the metal crowd was more based on their fan base, not anything they actually had control over. When you're a metal head in high school, you don't want to be associated with the scene kids with giant gauges in their ears, and their scene haircuts, and girl jeans. Really we called SS "emo" and "screamo" as an insult, because to us their fans looked exactly the same as the emo kids. "They can't be metal, only emos listen to them." High school logic, everybody.
I grew up in riverside saw them at the showcase and was completely blown away
I was on both sides of the fence growing up. Elitist first, then in the pursuit of female interest I adapted the emo and scene kid look and style. it bothered so many of my friends from each group when I would tell them their root music values are literally exactly the same as the other group.
Like, all their parents all listened to the same stuff, it was mostly an imagery issue between fans only the same styles.
I also learned most metal kids in my area all actually liked playing SS when they would buy musical equipment. Especially drummers. Take a "Metal Kid" who hates the emo scene, and show him WAKE UP by SS, give him some drums, and you're going to blow his mind, and piss every friend he has off at the same time.
Couldn’t say it better. I was a thrash kid in jr high. Long hair, sleeveless denim vest with Nuclear Assault, sepultura, Destruction patches etc, a slayer back patch. Anyone who listened to that stuff was a poser to me. Then I saw whitechapel - possession on headbangers ball. And it freaked me out so much that I couldn’t help but love it. Totally get what you’re expressing haha
Meanwhile we were having race wars within our alternative scene everyone else just thought metal, punk, goth, emo, scene, etc was all the same lol.
I was listening to them in high school, and still listen to them now. I have a friend who always made fun of me because I really liked them and I wore their merch and now he is really into them himself, thats how the turn tables.
Damn I didn’t know “the cleansing” was recorded live that’s awesome
I'm know I'm late to this party, but here we are...Anyway, "The Cleansing" was recorded live, but not like at a show. The band set up in the studio and played / recorded as a full band, as opposed to playing their respective parts in a iso. booth and laying their respective tracks down...All of those songs are full play-throughs with zero studio fuckery
You are definitely right but I think Whitechapel also added to it, SS were the high scream band of deathcore , Whitechapel were the gutteral , filthy murderous band closer to grindcore , they both were the pioneers of deathcore. Just in different ways. For me anyways
Rip Mitch 💜
how the fuck is whitechapel anywhere close to grindcore?
You cant forget Chelsea Grin, they had loads of heavy as fuck songs back in the day SS,Whitechaple and CG got me into the whole Slam/beatdown toilet vocal brutal slamming shit that just rocked my mind, and still does to this day.
Fact!
disagree Antagony are the pioneers of deathcore
@@minimanson160 u just name all my top 3 by the gods
I graduated in mid 2000's IN Riverside, CA so this video legit was my teenage years. I appreciate this vid man ! Suicide Silence was my favorite band all through the mid 2000s, I miss mitch so much.
Corona California right here and Mitch died on my senior year but they’re still my favorite and
i graduated in 2008 and im fortunate i got to see them once at the chain reaction on a weekday around 2006
I lived in riverside for 20 years but I didnt really get into metal until like 2015 lol I missed it
Cheeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh didnt expect to see you here, you have pog music taste
Modesto CA. I loved their logo and designs people thought it was devil shit.
For a lil edgy white boy it was fun
RIP MITICH LUCKER
The Cleansing and No Time to Bleed are peak deathcore and so damn good.
The Mitch lucker's trilogy is great asf, they basically defines what Deathcore is
@@RibeiroGames12 if you consider that trilogy to be The Cleansing, NTTB and You Can't Stop Me then sure.
@@98izzark69 You Can't Stop Me is not Mitch, is the other guy. It's The Cleansing, NTTB and The Black Crown
@@rzhtm4 I know but YCSM is much better than TBC
@@98izzark69 I’m calling an ambulance. Obviously your wife ripped your ears off.
The transition clips with that gate keeper are priceless. That guy is a perfect example to show how gate keepers would rather the genre go stagnant and die then let others in.
who is that dude
Dude is hilarious
i need to know who he his and watch that abdomination of a video lololol
A prime example of the idiom “to hate something, you have to love something”
I got into Deathcore mainly through Bring Me The Horizon. Their 2004 ep This Is What the Edge & 2006 Count Your Blessings were also very important for the Deathcore scene imo
I would definitely agree with you on that dude!
i like how the "Bro0tal kid" starter pack has count your blessings in it lmao 6:15
Count Your Blessings was alright. I think Veil of Maya's All Things Set Aside was way better.
Count Your Blessings was one of the first deathcore albums I listened to as well. I think that got me interested in the genre to begin with haha
Dude I can’t lie they were terrible with deathcore but their metal core is good
the clips of the guy hating on them are killing me lmao...A+++ S Rank work here Finn
The funny part is that he has obviously listened to them a lot because he points out a lot of really detailed stuff (and can air-guitar "unanswered")
I wanna know who he is so I can witch Hunt
x1armbanditx rippindrummer666- suicide silence sucks lol
He fucking sounds like a metal elitist Napoleon Dynamite. What a faaaag
My favorite part is the douche bags calling fans of bands that they don’t like douche bags
Unanswered definitely got me into heavier music
Great video as always !
César Tresca sane here dude I still prospect them for that cause of them I got into heavier music
Same, first Deathcore song I liked, got me into deathcore and by extension death metal.
My favorite song by them for sure. They got me into metal!
Pretty accurate.
Same here ! I remember first time hearing it like it was today!
Personally met Mitch and got to sit and talked with him for about an hour after their first show in Bangkok, he's one of the nicest and most down-to-earth person (let alone a Rockstar which he was at that point) I've ever met. And their live performance turned me into becoming their fans.
as blood runs black album artwork with all shall perish playing .
Yup I made a boo-boo there - so annoying!
I believe those two bands both deserve solid chunks of any discussion on deathcore. I'm not a SS fan but this video was good
Honestly, one song mix up after a ton of videos is really not that bad, lol
@@8bitrandomencounter I've done it a couple other times in videos. Always makes me feel like such an idiot lol
I miss when asp had Eddie in it. He's terrible in suicide silence which doesn't make sense cause he's a good vocalist an writer but ya
Lol the black crown had a song featuring Jonathan from korn, can’t deny the nu metal there😅. Also I feel like whitechapel and their new album might be launching us into deathcore 4.0. Adding clean vocals, more melodies but still crushing heavy riffs. I’m calling it for sure
Or Carnyfex with their last works.
Carnifex is not like whitechapel at all
@@mikebarnes7441 yes, it is the true deathcore 4.0 blackend, dark and overall extremely brutal.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 ya if we're calling deathcore 4.0 the blackened version then we gotta give it to black tongue for pushing it in that direction, not whitechapel.i would almost say deathcore is splitting with some bands going the blackened route like black tongue and methwitch and some are going for the more heartfelt emotional route like whitechapel and Fit for an Autopsy
@@l8rn3rds yes, Whitechapel Is nothing like a blackend deathcore band.
While Mitches vox weren't to my taste, I could never deny his stage presence. A literal 10/10 frontman.
His vocals weren't for everyone but that's decent of you to appreciate the talent no less. I got to see him live once and it was just ridiculous.
I saw them live at warped 2010. Honestly one of the best metal performances I have ever seen. His vocals sound way better live imo
Yeah, I also pref lows over highs - and agree 100 %
Smoked weed with Mitch Lucker outside Peabody's in Cleveland after opening for them. Rest in Peace.
Phil Hoyt cool story bro
It's really sad how every band Finn talks about, whom generally are known, now, to be a great band (by most people, at least) was just shrugged off when they were active and rising. For example, I'm a big MCR fan, they're basically my gateway to heavier music, but back when I started listening to "real Metal" like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, I started pretty much feeling ashamed because I listened to My Chemical Romance. Now, it makes me really happy to see people actually giving them (and other bandas like A7X, blink-182, and others) their due respect.
Huh? Blink-182, MCR, and A7X were huge with their claim to fame albums. I would say A7X had the fastest rise of the 3.
Metal is in a weird spot where everyone is family but a lot of them are dicks and gate keepers. Just like what you like. You can't listen to straight metal all the time sometimes you got to change it up.
Mcr were "shrugged off?"
That's news to me!
Well, maybe it was just where I lived xD
I'm actually brzillian, and the whole Emo culture and genre isn't really that respected here, to this day, and I'm only 20, so I didn't really see the "rise and fall" of all those bands. What I meant is, at least with lots of people that I made contact with, even those into metal, Emo in general is seen as an "inferior genre" or "not real metal", and I see LOTS of people who still won't give A7X, blink-182 and specially MCR a listen, just because of genre and appearance.
But yeah, Brazil, not really the most mentally evolved and open-minded people xD
"If they're between the ages of 25 and 30, they're a 98% chance that there's a Suicide Silence shirt in a box at their parents house, because they wore that thing to school four times a week when they were sixteen." You hit the nail on the head right there for me. I'm 27, and I had at least three Suicide Silence shirts, including one from after Mitch died that Hot Topic was selling to benefit Mitch's daughter. I randomly came across The Cleansing, and that 100% got me into the heavy shit. They were my gateway to deathcore, metalcore, death metal, etc. I preordered No Time To Bleed once it was announced. Great band that will forever have a place in my rotation.
I love suicide silence as much as I love cannibal corpse, dying fetus, slayer and exodus. I think you can like death metal, thrash metal and death core at the same. I don’t care what anyone says great video I’m going to grab a monster my flat brim hat and my suicide silence shirt.
RIP Mitch
Same 🤘🤘
Its just different types of people that listens to the old death metal bands like dying fetus and those types of bands. The concerts bring out all the oldschool close minded punch eachother in the face metal has to sound brutal no singing jenko jeens big muscles type of people and just arent that fun imo to go to. Newer bands atleast the 2005-2019 metalcore/deathcore/progressive like new veil of maya atb new erra make them suffer kind of bands bring out the nicest people to their shows not always super heavy but still technical great sounding unique well produced and heartfealt : )
Slayer, Exodus, Dying fetus , Cannibal corpse r among my top favorite bands, then comes suicide silence crushing the scene when the cleansing album came out, the next lvl was Apprehended by suicide silence
I listen to Justin Timberlake and Thy Art is Murder, Within Destruction
Same,whitechapel,death,suicide silence,old bring me the horizon and pantera are my top 5 favorite bands in order
I never got super in to Suicide Silence but theres no question that Mitch's vocals were the absolute best in extreme music
My former band recorded with Will at the Machine Shop immediately after they recorded No Time to Bleed. We got to experience the "chamber" that Machine made :D
I feel like there's a djenty, prog-influenced strain of deathcore that spawned around 2012 with bands like Born of Osiris, Veil of Maya and Chelsea Grin combining deathcore melodies and song structures with Periphery-style guitar riffs and synths and with greater changes in volume level and intensity.
Despised Icon will always be my favorite deathcore band!
Yep. I consider them the pioneers of deathcore, especially with what they did with The Ils Of Modern Man over SS, but SS were also big and good. Probably because SS were from US and DI from Canada.
M V fucking P 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽 I’m ready fo them they’re coming to Cali in September
Yes I think it was the perfect mix of death metal and hardcore
Despised Icon, Fit For An Autopsy and TAIM are the deathcore staples for me!
Phoenix blue ornaments is quintessential Deathcore
I still distinctly remember hearing "Unanswered" for the first time and thinking that was the heaviest shit I had ever heard... and I was listening to "real" death metal at the time! Still throw that record and No Time to Bleed on from time to time
That God damn riff nearing the last part of Bludgeoned to death is still stuck in my head
😂😂😂yesssss dude!
Thx for this. Was fortunate to tour alongside them on Music As A Weapon IV, and Pedal To The Metal tours. Mitch was larger than life on stage, and you're correct, he was super fucking sweet offstage. He is missed.
Thats where I first came across them. we were there waiting for the doors to open and we stumbled across the smaller stage in the back of civc center and thought we snuck into something else
(we figured it out later when we got our shirts,it was part of the tour but wasn't advertised on the radio) the stage was smaller,but artists were actually acknowledging the fans
Bruh I was definitely that kid who wore the Suicide Silence shirt all the time school😂shiiiit I still have it
I was the kid who whore a suicide silence hoodie everyday at school
Got kicked out of my high school for a week when i wore the shirt that says "Pull the trigger bitch" 😂😂
@@gurbrell4133 always wanted that one lol
Still have my koolaid guy shirt, love that thing.
I've honestly accumulated about 6 or 7 over the years lol
It was CRAZY how my Red State Rock friends were sharing You Only Live Once on Facebook after Black Crown dropped. That song in particular completely changed the game and ushered in the Deathcore 3.0/Nu-Metal crossover you're talking about.
I was 17 when I heard the SS family Guy demo changed my life rip Mitch
As a 37 year old, there's still a Suicide Silence t-shirt in my closet that get's worn to work on a regular basis.
Dude I thought I was the only one who wore my suicide silence shirt to work! Hahaha that is so cool dude. I guarantee we would be the best of friends. Ps I also have a r.i.p. Mitch lucker shirt that I wear to work as well.
Lol. Awesome.
Haha same for me. Same age, same shirt.
Always looking forward to a new video. Thank you for doing this.
Thank you for watching!
Always gives me something to listen to for that day.
Thank you for putting so much work into this it was a really fun to watch
Thank you!
So good to see As Blood Runs Black get some recognition. For me personally, it was From A Second Story Window that got me into Deathcore. Then it was the first Born Of Osiris album.
Mr.Fuzzynuts so happy to see FASSW mentioned. I jam to Conversations rather often.
I always loved this band. When I heard songs like unanswered, no pity for a coward and bludgeoned to death I never knew how heavy a band could get. Now a days we take that for granted, but when they came out at the time where those types of songs were scarce it really made an impact on how you can keep getting heavier and creative at the same time.
Awesome video as always man!🤘🏻🙌🏻
AND they spawned that br00tal No Pity for a Coward cover from Rings of Saturn. Great video and wonderfully well put together!
And the original is still better.
@@KevinTheMetalhead Yeah they ruined the best part of the song with their stupid guitar wankery imo.
@@danielnelson4881 Not only that, but it's overproduced and polished to hell and back and doesn't have that raw feel of the original.
@@KevinTheMetalhead Well, considering its a different band entirely, I would imagine they wouldn't try to recreate the song _identically_ Thats why its a *cover*
@@DaRealChevythang True. And if Brittney Spears covered it I wouldn't be aggro at her for not making the exact same song.. I'd be aggro at her for ruining it.. Which is what we are doing here.
I met Mitch in 2009 at Music as a Weapon tour he was so chill he took photos, autographs, and even gave advice to young fans asking about screams. Chill guy I've even got a picture with him!
RIP to the legend Mitch! Saw him at the iconic now closed Showcase Theatre in corona and to this day one of the best shows ever!
I miss Showcase 😥
I used to play for two of the bands that you either mentioned/played in this video. I can confidently back up that no one ever had a bad thing to say about Mitch. Even when all of us were jealous that they were blowing up and stealing the show when we played with them, everyone was cheering them on because Mitch and the rest of the band were all really solid dudes.
Their deftones cover is so sick. I love the demos and first few records. My tastes changed and I just stopped following them.
Engine no. 9 slaps
Do you know the live performance with pre recorded lucker vocals? It’s saddening
Great video. I remember when You Only Live Once dropped, falling in love with them and watching the vid over and over back when The Black Crown came out in 2011 and thinking the dirty 7 string riffs resembled so much of the Nu-Metal I’d been listening to years and was super pleased by it. It opened up my eyes to their music and much more that I’d never even known about up until that point. Thank you for making this dude!!!!! Makes me miss those years.
Very well done video. Always love checking out your opinions on the hardcore scene from 05+
Then now there's Deathcore 4.0, with slam, goregrind, Rap, and prog influences, such as Acrania, Signs of the Swarm, Shadow of Intent, and Slaughter to Prevail
I’d add Lorna Shore to that list.
Loved the video! Bluggend to death got me into SS.
Would love to see a similar video about Job for a Cowboy.
bludgeoned* lol
Yeeeessssssss
You had me laughing and smiling the whole time with this video. Love your emotion here. Keep up the great content
Shoutout to my one and only home: Corona, CA. Garza is a friend of mine and he’s one of the most humble and genuine dudes. What’s funny is he just loved KoRn, Slipknot, and Wormed so he started a band and I’m sure he had no idea he was going to basically define a genre but here we are. Love this band, love this channel
Joey Virrueta I have found that some of the best modern metal bands were directly inspired by Korn of Deftones. They were legendary dude.
Wormed is fantastic, also some great guys, saw them twice and had beers with them before the second show
Garza is my cousin and we always joke that all he did was rip Korn riffs.....lol
I think that ABRB song was actually All Shall Perish. A personal favorite band of mine! Love the videos man keep them up!
Yes that was all shall perish not ABRB
Their live performance was the best part. I saw them in 2009 and it was the sickest shit ever. Hair swinging ,Mitch stomping on stage and a deftones cover. Good times
the cleansing was recorded live in the studio instead of track-by-track . and it's stil absolutely crushing compared to a lot of releases . that just says a ton
Ah how I love those old "this metal/core bnd sucks", it was as prevelant as "justin bieber sucks" videos
2:55 oof!
LIKE IF UR ONE OF THE 5% OF TEENS WHO DOESN'T LISTEN TO JUSTIN FREAKIN BIEBER
Justin bireber does suck tho
LMAO fuck no dude, nowhere near as prevalent
Coz justin bieber sucks COCKS .... It's an all-caps coz that's how big bieber wants....
I written off Deathcore as a breakdown heavy death metal. Guess what I actually listen to Suicide Silence after watching this video. As of now I can say I was fool not to these guys a try. Thanks Finn, keep the good work!
Have you listened to other deathcore bands since? There's a lot of good bands.
I admired Suicide Silence, hard to differentiate yourself when there's a set "formula" to follow, and they did that well imo
Yeah I admit u can spot a SS song at first glance, at that time. No matter if it's the 1st time hearing it.
@@satesup4353 Exactly man
You didn't touch on how good Mitch's vocal range was, his highs were ridiculous, especially live.
True he hit an A6 multiple times live
He took his singing very seriously and would do legit serious warm ups before and cool downs after each performance. People would try to talk to him during warm ups and i would feel bad to tell them sorry but he cant talk right now (he loved talking to the fans)
One of my favorite bands had two singers. One for growls, one for screams. Mitch did both, especially with the highs. His versatility made him great. Others have tried, but experienced vocal damage. Mitch’s range was his gift
Ive been waiting for this video! I was definitely a Deathcore 2.0 era fan. This band is one of my biggest influences as far as vocals and overall performance,
Watching this video was a blast from the past. I love Suicide Silence so much. I was fortunate enough to see them with Mitch when the played warped like 10 years ago. I have to say Eddie was the only vocalist that could have ever been able to fill his role. I've seen them two or three times with Eddie and they are absolutely phenomenal live still and are still killing it to this day. You Can't Stop Me is an incredible album and they still blow me away. One of my favorite bands to this day still. Thanks for making this. Mad respect to SS and to you for making this video.
I’m not a fan of deathcore, but will always have a soft spot for Suicide Silence. The Cleansing was a great record and the whole band is very talented. I think it’s great they helped bring even heavier metal to a more mainstream spotlight, even if it’s looked down upon by heavier metal purists.
Edit: I mixed up The Cleansing and Unanswered, sorry. Always think of Unasnwered as the standout and forget it’s not the album name.
Video idea: HORSE The Band/Nintendocore
rorz999 plenty of the mathcore/sasscore music being made still. sysc like you mentioned, the callous daoboys, .gif from god, nocapitalsnospaces, p.s.you’redead, and Binary to name a handful
Perfect timing. I've been going through SS albums this week, going down memory lane🤘🏼🤘🏼 I started listening to Death Metal in 90s but I wasn't an elitist and enjoyed the deathcore scene when it started. Epic video as always man!
The No Time To Bleed album is something I’ve never forgotten and still listen to it through and through, at least once a year. It’s a special, extremely nostalgic record to me. Great video!
The new reign is amazing the production doesn't matter FIGHT ME!
No fight. Anyone that wants to can listen to the recreation of the new reign and see how good they always have been
Michael Keene produced the only good Sumeriancore albums and nothing has been good since
Honestly I like the production better than the new shit. You can actually hear the guitar parts over the retarded synth shit.
Amazing video as always. SS was most definitely a gateway band for me, and I still listen to the albums with Mitch constantly.
I love the commentary clips you manage to find and include. Always amazing. Solid video man
It's my favorite part lol - searching for "_____ sucks" and seeing what gold comes up
@@ThePunkRockMBA don't ever stop man, they might low key be my favorite part. I can only hope that guy watches this video. 😂
Ive always noticed that there was like a style or sound from bands like the early taim, suicide silence, rose funeral, abrb, bmth (deathcore early phase). .. that i loved but never get to describe it well.Thanks for putting a name to it and its amazing how you deconstruct the 3 eras cuz it basicly defines how deathcore bands evolved with the years. If i have to make a guess for the future, deathcore is starting a 4th era with bands like lorna shore, signs of the swarm, carnifex, within destruction, oceano, shrine of malice. .. That are adding heavy influences of Black metal, slam and hardcore but really well produced and smh even darker and heavier than some of the bands from that genres (wich i love) as always amazing video, very informative and enterteining, greetings from Costa Rica✌️
i got into them kinda late (around the black crown era right before mitch passed away) but they were easily the talk of my high school at the time. they easily helped codify deathcore and have left a legacy. hopefully they get their shit together on the next cd.
Great vid. I was lucky enough to catch them on their 2010 warped tour run. Love that note about the foot on the monitor. I was front and center so I definitely got the full effect. Honestly I've never vibed with an artist so well -- felt like Mitch was staring into my soul. He must have known. Until we meet again.
And it's a "Your Scene Sucks" reference for the win. Bravo.
I was in high school when these guys showed up on the scene. I was a death metal snob to the max. I hated these guys. I was all about slam, old school death metal, and goregrind. These guys looked so wimpy and emo to me at the time. I’ve grown up since then and 100% agree with everything you said in this video. (Except I think Whitecapel is the best deathcore band of all time. I think it just stems from my personal preference).
Funny how things change as you get older. I was the exact same way. Just the past two years ive been getting into alot of it
Literally me without the goregrind fr fr
THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF SUFFOKATE
Yeah dude do you remember those HUGE gauges that their vocalist has? As big as a fucking CD dude lol if you've never seen it, hit up Google images.
I’ve never seen any of your videos before and I have LOVED every second of this video! I found myself nodding along in agreement with all of the stuff that you said. I never really knew the history of the band because although I grew up a semi-scene kid, I listened mostly( some exceptions obviously) to local or regional bands throughout most of my teens. In no particular order it was a lot of With Blood Comes Cleansing, Norma Jean, The Chariot, Impending Doom, Underoath, Nodes of Ranvier, etc. I always remember looking for the next hardest thing and that when I found out more about White Chapel, As Blood Runs Black, Dr Acula, etc. ANYWAY! You just earned yourself a new subscriber!
Thanks man!
Another great video. I just have to chime in and give another shout out to that glorious MySpace era. The golden age!
k_stud helll yeah I saw them there too at least once
You are the most wonderfully nerdy metal fan I've ever heard. I love it!
I would love to see a video about the melodeath scene from scandinavia & the big bands of the genre who kinda created it (In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, At the Gates).
Their history & story is really interesting, and their evolution too.
Anyway, loved the SS video, great video as always!
no
Finn doesn't not like MDM. He would have no interest.
Carcass, Entombed, Dismember,
Edge of Sanity, Nihilist,
No pity for a coward was a eye opener for me, then I checked out their older stuff..mindblown.
Black Crown really was the metalest of them all, and of course an emotional one. RIP Mitch bro
Speaking of Century Media... Anyone remember IWABO?
Hoist The Sails, Gentlemen Yes lol
@@JcastroCFH I agree. Wish they were still doing stuff together. Right now all we got is Spiritbox.
Why did they break up?
I still listen to them but i still miss krista
sick band , but they even better with spiritbox . Kick ass band.
Mitch also really loved the fans and always thought that the fans were responsible for all their success, which is pretty much true. He always said "Without the fans, our band ain't shit." Yeah, most musicians always say they admire their fans, but I believe Mitch was one of the few that actually meant it when he said it.
Thank you for putting this so eloquently. I've been trying to share SS with friends by just saying "GUYS ITS GOOD TRUST ME"
I wasn't and still am not a fan of deathcore (Suicide Silence included), but when I was in my mid-20s I changed my whole attitude towards music and can appreciate things in a different way and God damn, that bit about their recording/production process makes me respect them so much. They really worked hard and went the extra mile. That's really inspiring to me!
edit: gonna check out No Time To Bleed and Black Crown for sure!
Love me some 20 min Punk Rock MBA in the morning!
It's a great way to get the day started!
Thank you for watching!
@@ThePunkRockMBA Thank YOU for starting this channel! Your videos are just the bees knees.
When you had a shitty day and a video of Finn is waiting for you at home -----> ☺️
Amazing job, man! Cheers from Spain!
20 minute video, yes please.
what added to their spread of popularity is the fact you could embed a copy of their video to your myspace page. this was right when music video websites popped up & shut down every week due to the need to personalize your myspace page with embed-able content. this was like, 04-05-06 and youtube was barely a thing. music videos were actually being KEPT OFF of youtube and taken down, so that video was huge for people. respect.
Can we please have a video dedicated to bands like Stick To Your Guns and The Ghost Inside? The more Finn references them, the more I would like him to talk about them (because they're really great bands that deserve being talked about).
Hardcore-core! Love that stuff
Suicide Silence was my all time favorite band in high school. When Mitch Lucker died, a part of me died that day. I had the honor of meeting him about 8 months before he died, he loved my fan art that i made for him, i drew a portrait of him! He posted it on his instagram too :) that made 15 year old so happy.
Terror a deathcore band? I'm triggered .... That being said, time to revisit the cleansing!
He said "not all these bands are considered deathcore" before bringing up terror, just named bands in that scene
He did state that not all bands from that scene were deathcore bands.
@@MAGAIVER I should really pay more attention lol
The error was saying they were part of the IE scene😂
@@StevenxWebb So, they didn't exist within the context of the so cal bands i mentioned? Seems super weird and pedantic to think that, especially since every single one of the bands I mentioned played the showcase and the IE bands played LA as well.
I had the pleasure of seeing Suicide Silence live at the muse in Nashville shortly after their album The Cleansing came out. Mitch's headbang was definitely something to behold...
10 years ago Mitch made me want to sound like a drainpipe, and a cat. The resulting impression is on my channel. Rest in peace my man.
you are talented indeed.
@@metal_helm cheers for the kind words, nice helm
thanks. I heard the birthing process for my mom was hell.
@@metal_helm what a lady. Growing into that thing must've been a nightmare. Were you homeschooled?
Despised Icon got me into dethcore and job for a cowboy's "Doom", great video man
It’s hard to take a dude serious when he’s talkin shit wearing a McLovin shirt
Also when they speak like that
First heavy song I ever heard was "Wake Up."
They were definitely my gateway.
this guy spits the most truth on RUclips imo
Yeah, and he still finds a way to be humble or underground.
Great to hear you mention one of my favorite bands Thy art is murder when you were talking about suicide silence's producers. thx!
Deathcore 4.0: Black Metal
(Signs of the swarm, Lorna shore, Carnifex)
@Hideki Maki You sound triggered. Deathcore > Black Metal.
I still miss Mitch to this day. SS (with Mitch) were the best, especially live. Mitch stomps all night long!
18:20 *hides Suicide Silence shirt in the darkest depths of the closet* pfft. No?
The cleansing and no time to bleed 100% got me into heavier music and I still listen to both of those albums to this day.
This was the bad that introduced me to heavier music, love this band! 🤘🤘
I love all the 'in the studio' tidbits you share with us here, inject that shit directly into my veins! I never knew that one of my all time favourite Metal albums was recorded live in the studio, that's insane!
I still wear my Suicide Silence hoodie that I got in 9th grade, I’m 26 now 🌝
I remember listening to the first album for the first time and thinking it was great, and the same happened with the second one. Suicide Silence with Mitch was a great band.
You're right about production quality holding the genre back... Just listen to Whitechapel album the Somatic Defilement, and I don't mean the remastered version. It's terrible. The music is incredible but the production quality is just ass
I agree. If Whitechapel recorded that album today, it would be on the same tier as Infant Annihilator.