Book Discussion | The Spy Chronicles: RAW, ISI and the Illusion of Peace
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- This discussion examined the unique dialogue between the ex-spies who share their perspectives on India-Pakistan relationship, the Kashmir issue and terrorism - whether the book can have an impact on the India-Pakistan ties and the big conundrum: the Kashmir issue. The discussants will explore the relevance of the arguments made by authors in the context of the current status of India-Pakistan relationship.
Speakers
• A.S. Dulat, former chief of R&AW
• Aarti Tikoo Singh, Senior Assistant Editor, Times of India
• Aditya Sinha, co-author of The Spy Chronicles: RAW, ISI and the Illusion of Peace
• Jyoti Malhotra, Editor - National & Strategic Affairs, The Print
• Vikram Sood, Advisor, ORF and former chief of R&AW
• Vivek Katju, former ambassador and Secretary, MEA India
Arti Tikoo ma'am. Hats off. You were brilliant. You have put Dulat into his place. Someone had to say that and you said it.
Aarti maam not only are you beautiful..but have a heart which can decipher a wrong from right... U r well brought up...choice of words, the stinging excerpts picked up for admonishment show your education n experience..wish you the best...down with these psychophants n hypocrites
Maine ye book padhi hai. Aur padhte time hi mujhe lag rha tha ki ye banda RAW ka chief kaise ban gya. Arti ji is 100% right.
Ms Aarti Tikoo is very brave. It would have taken a lot of guts to say these things. She is calm and composed and articulates herself very well. She never uses foul language at any stage. She says it like it is, no mincing of words. Brilliant!
Aarti Tikkoo Singh is absolutely right, She understands the real problem better than all these people, Salute to the brave woman!
As an Indian.... I feel insecure by listening to some of our R&AW officials...... There is a need to revamp the whole structure for the selection process of R&AW....sometimes it feels that they lack basic understanding of Pakistan.....
Exactly...they come across as chutias.....my school peon was more articulate and circumspect than these people
I read this book and didn't understand how this Dulat a separatist sympathizer became the RAW chief
He’s RAW official and that’s why u are nobody
Ms Tikku and Mr Katzu both present a realistic, panoramic, candid and honest critical analysis of Mr Dulat's book. The author seems to have been living in his self built ivory tower, oblivious of grassroot realities and sensitivities regarding the whole matter.
Arti ,your critique at hand was excellent. You have clearly unsettled him. The wounds will remain RAW for a while. Keep going you were superb. Offer him an olive branch sometime soon.
Aarti Singh Tikoo and Katju nails it in one ! I wonder if the Defense/Home Ministry gave Dulat permission to write this book! Sadly, out of this discussion, Dulat comes across as quite incompetent, to which many of the criticisms he faced, were implying
What nonsense. RAW and ISI agents writing a book together. Truly there is no limit to deception and stupidity.
What a brilliant takedown by Aarti tikoo ,well done.
Ms Arti Tikoo and Amb Katju are brilliant
I totally agree with Mr. Vivek Katju that u can not think about and make countries relation based on two people conversation and their friendship.
The facts and example he gave on 52:20 nullify this book concept and i liked all his replies soecially to Jyoti Malhotra.
It was brilliant mature presentation by Aarti Tikoo...hats off to her
I want Mr.Doval in this debate.
Those who do the real work can't be found among such people.
@@tarunpratap8618 Vikram Sood is in the panel..Although he is retired but he is a legend probably the same stature as Doval Sir
@@manojsrivastava3626 that's why I said- those who 'Do' the real work.
Such gatherings from Intelligence community can be done by retired people, that too rarely.
Those who are at work, keep low profile as much as possible.
Mr Katju is not only a diplomat, but a scholar of great learning. I Loved the way he got the author and Ms Malhotra on the defensive. She's so typical of our TRACK 2 types, all candy and fluff, talking about her GOOD FRIENDS across the border and believing they will help in improving relations. Mr D, of course, comes across as a person with ZERO SUBSTANCE
Aarti Tikkoo has not spared the Indian spy chief writer nor the Pakistani chief of ISI. But the thousand wounds inflicted on India is a sure indictment of the Indian spy chief. He bears a measure of responsibility.
Katju sir is very clear in his vision and i feel delighted that our ambassadors are clear about what's exactly is the problem of Pakistan ??? Talk talk on what issue we talk to pakistan ??? Kashmir is resolved only left thing is pok
Aarti Tikoo Singh showed mr Dulat his place
Brilliant points made by Aarti tickoo.
seriously.. this is how our old spy chief think?? Not surprised to see Kashmir problem not solved after 70years of so called dialogue.
Arti ma'am has nailed it !!
Probably the best review of book and AS dulat....👍👍
Dulat is just jealous of doval and egoist to the core.
The point Mr. Katju pointed out is something which is the ultimate issue, The ideology of Pakistan!
Hahaha. Dulat will never come again on a panel with Katju Sir and Tikkoo ma'am. 🤣🤣🤣
Dulat sounds like a terror enabler and should be tried in a military court
arrogance is what i can see in Dulat.
Right I think that A S Dulat is a ISI agent
@@priyankthakar2863 He is a Gandhian that’s all
The unanimous conclusion of three eminent panelist is that Mr Dulat has been not faithful to India for whatever reason. His intentions and actions as head of RAW deserve judicial enquiry and if necessary prosecution.
Mr Dulat makes some very crude ad hominem comments after 1:32:00 were extremely unbecoming of a person in his position. His comments were not just unfair but just shows that he is thin skinned and gets easily triggered. If this is the quality of India's intelligence agencies, we are in BIG TROUBLE!
Mr Dulat history is controversial
It is scary to think that people like Dulat can head RAW.....
Agree with Mr katju wholeheartedly. Mr katju embarrassed all of them.
Joining of hands with ISI even in writing of Book can not be justified. Kudos to Aarati madam
25:00 Aarti
IN HIS BOOK,"Vajpayee years, the Kashmir - AS DAULAT" himself admitted the same what Aarti said here but here he is contradicting. Anyway Hippocrate!!!
True
The gentleman after 1:33:30 says Indians have a problem dealing with "enemies". He is right, but identies the problem wrongly. Our problem i that we don't know how to deal with things dispassionately. He is allowing his emotions to cloud his judgement. Perhaps, the younger generation of Indians will be more forthright in formulating policy going forward. The older generation is hopeless and naive.
Why do our civil leadership seems to be so horribly incompetent... Like seriously was he a RAW chief Mr Dulat.
Great job Aarti Tikoo ma’am 🙏
India survived A S Dulat.
Aarti Tikoo ma'm. the way she told the truth...
So then raw chief thinks Pakistan is changing wow what a chief we had😂😂
At 1:39:20 Amb Katju puts Mr Dulat in his place.
Effective and honest communication to explore dialogues to bring a closure of the past ignorance, arrogance and inflated egos and open the horizons of the future for collective mindsets
and deliver value to our south Himilayan peoples.
Typical old punjabi brotherhood BS by Dulat. He sounds like he is bitter than Doval has gained so much support and success.
You nailed it.
Aarti Tikoo Singh Amb. Katju - all the way. Thank you for standing up and be counted. Dulat's failures are example worthy as what to avoid in Intelligence work and worthy of a book of its own.
Umar Bhar Ghalib Yahi Bhool Karta Raha
Dhool Chehare Pe Thee Aur Aaeena Saaf Karta Raha
Aarti tikkoo ...you're very brave
I 100% agree with Ms Aarti but I feel that Durrani would not have opened up if Dulat would have taken an accusatory(thought legitimate) tone.
Katju sir is just amazing 🙌
Great perspective presented by Vivek Katju
Dulat doesn't seem deserving to be RnAW chief . So sad we had intelligence officer like him
Someone had to put a mirror in front of Mr Dulat. Aarti Tikoo did it perfectly.
Mr dullat is right in his opening comments,that he is a complete fraud.Jyoti,has however,even beaten mr dullat in the sheer nonsense of their comments.
Jyoti wanted to cry after vivek katju's arguments
Indians should not be over confident of their success in the field of espionage. The Chinese third directorate, from the Chinese state security ministery,are very active in India.Pakistani don't have to answer to the people, so do the same with the Chinese ,so India in a worst situation.Where is Ajit Doval? We are surprised he as state security advisor is not present.Something is very wrong.
my fav Mr. vivek katju and aarti
How can a man as incompetent as Doulat was ever made the RAW Chief? Was he selected for his totally idiotic ideas?
He was from IB
Jyoti ji Vajpayee experiment failed and repeating the failed experiment is not advisable,
Only realistic comments by Tikoo and Katju. Otherwise it’s just 🎈 in the air sort of hope
That woman in short hair... Perhaps jyoti malhotra is someone like who does not have any logical understanding of issue....but Only give some cersi Lannister smile to win the argument... Don't deserve a place at a thinktank like orf....
A prodigy of Shekhar Gupta of Print.... Now u guess....😂😂🤣🤣
The naivety of MR. Daulat is appalling.
This Aditya guy was such a sorry figure!!
How highly placed people like Jyoti refuse to look at the Islamic teachings being rigorously propagated in lakhs of madrassas in both countries??? She wants to compare war to war!? What about all the centuries of sar tan se judah??
Good point Aarti👏👏👏👍
Alia bhatt is the best spy. We need women to take charge of R&AW because clearly men like Dulat have lost it.😲
This statement makes 0 sense and so does your idea. The post is not based on gender but capabilities.
Mr. Daulat must have been paltu of cong govt and we could sense that how India's security under his guidance.
The gentleman at 1:32:33, what a foolish person he is. Unfortunate that such a person is a part of India's intelligence apparatus.
ASD acquired a house in LONDON and in Kashmir , After-1990 Kashmir Genocides 😠🙊
Great words arti maam.😎😎🙏
Aarti Mam 🙏
Well DONE Aarti
49:00 Vivek Sir said all
Arti and katju said correct.
भारत के हित को ध्यान में रखें। धन्यवाद
India should avoid making a punjabi or a sikh head of raw or any such foreign agency, because they very easily fall for sadda punjabi culture and all this bullshit with their pakistani punjabi counterparts
I think there must be thorough investigation to reveal the character and antecedents of this man and how much loss has it done to our country.
This man shows the need for india to fill RAW and IB with military people and kick out policewallas
Jyoti Malhotra manages to surprise me yet again how dumb an individual can be and yet be a journalist. Aarti Tikoo stood out as the voice of making any sort of sense in this. A horrible concept for a book written by a very visibly incompetent Mr Dulat who couldn't defend any claim without being personal, and even then failed to bring down credibility of whoever he attacked, infact did the opposite. What a shame that such books are even published whereas brilliant commentaries still find it hard to get a publisher.
Thoroughly enjoyed the discussion . Very happy to see both points of view .
Some of these guys are looking for relevance. What great achievements are there to their credit will always be a mystery. Such books and events are a necessary activity for them in their desperate attempt to stay in the limelight.
Please note that in Pakistan or elsewhere, like the US or France or UK, the external intelligence agencies are headed by armed forces officers and not police officers, like in India. IPS officers are ensconed in the IB and RAW with the approval and total support of the politicians as they feel that the armed forces should be kept at arm's length from these critical organizations. Only pliable IPS or IAS officers will suit the purpose of the politicians. It's a symbiotic existence, with each looking after the other.
There's no hope for our agencies getting anywhere near the eminence or performance of the CIA or even the ISI of Pakistan. They have principles to follow strictly, whatever they might be. But here it's more to do with power, privilege, perks, closeness to politicians etc.
Modi ji snapped article 370 and chapter closed#
It is Doulat who is very unfair to the Hindus / Non Muslims of Jammu and Kashmir
Vajpai was a starry-eyed and unrealistic guy. He was propelled by his poetic fantasies rather than a rational consideration of facts on the ground.
Holy shit.. They are never going to call Ms Tikoo again.. टिका के मारी.. Good job
Now do we understand why this man was seen walking with Mr Rahul Gandhi in his Bharat Todo Yatra.
Dulat just hasn't understood the politicorelgious philosophy of Pakistan! I am feeling quite angry with him...
Apart from Arthi madam, Sushant Sarin was spot on "nothing will happen to Pakistan Generals and nobody needs to shed tears, that was epic reply to A S Dulat and his writer who were building a narrative to sell their stupid book and idea.
Also he questioned the thought process of the indian diplomats especially of former NSA Shivsankar menon. Seriously is this way they think or is this a anti-modi thinking which has got into them.
He was incompetent all along and sucking up to Congress gave him all his promotions.
Love this video so much all were so nice except Jyoti .aise logo ko Nahi lana Chahiye
I read this book and didn't understand how this Dulat a separatist sympathizer became the RAW chief
After seeing this video and other videos involving AS Dulat, to me he comes across as a nice guy and a gentleman but I am afraid he does not seem like a suitable individual for the position he worked on. No wonder India has not been make any headway on Kashmir.
According to Dulat Pakistan wasn’t in Kashmir from 1996! Load of nonsense. Don’t buy this book.
With the greatest respect to dulat how the hell he became R&AW chief? So shallow knowledge...
@Jyothi Malhotra: please clarify while talking about Pak press, i.e. English press or Urdu press, the former one makes a lot of noise about Pak establishment while subtly following the line prescribed by ISPR and mostly for international consumption while the later one plays is completely different role and for domestic consumption.
Daulats book is time pass
24:26 Real show begins now...
This ex Raw chief looks like a brother of ISI agent/Bajwa of pak??!!??? He should be handed over immediately to police/military custody for through investigation for his dubious role as RAW chief as he is a threat to national security and our security forces. .
Its part of diplomacy
Kya kata Katju ji ne 😂 Aur Jyoti and Shusant ke kya foda 😅😂
Jyoti Malhotra looks like confused. She is hardly talking about the book.
I wish ex chiefs of RAW choose not to write memoirs. Some things should stay out of bounds for public’s knowledge. It is better that way.
The authors must be thinking "why I wrote this book "
University of Ottawa. That's the Keyword here.
I have read the book and it’s useless and indeed “a missed opportunity “
I think people expected too much from
People meant to hold back more than give. It was intended to just whet your appetite enough and make money
AS Dullat ,a very humble man
Yeah! Was on the payroll of ISI, i am afraid!