EP-66 | Trapping ISI agents, cyber espionage & defending India’s digital assets with Pavithran Rajan
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Lt Col Pavithran Rajan is a former intelligence operative, academician and tech entrepreneur who is also an adjunct faculty at the Cyber Security Research Centre, Punjab Engineering College and is an advisor to Cyber Peace Foundation. He also serves on the board of two private companies currently and has authored a book Engaging China-Indian Interest in the information age. He was commissioned into the Sikh Light infantry but he transitioned into the Intelligence Corps after 10 years of service. He is credited with being one of the first officers to use cybercraft and internet to apprehend a Pakistani operative in India. Pavithran is considered a thought leader in Cyber Intelligence and Information Warfare in India and has also served as an advisor to Ministry of Home Affairs, GOI. In an illuminating conversation with Smita Prakash, he talks about counter-intelligence, foreign relations, information warfare and national security. Pavithran also spills the beans on the vulnerabilities India as a nation faces from its neighboring countries due to digitization and cyberspace. He also talks about 26/11 and how personal data on digital devices will change wars in the future.
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Timestamps:
00:00- Introduction
02:58- Information warfare & Role of internet in controlling population
08:14- Journey of Pavithran & 'Indian Snakes' Hacking group
18:22- Support from Honey Bakshi & Catching ISI agent
27:51- Tracking Lashkar operative & Uri Earthquake
44:18- 26/11 Mumbai attack & Morality in International relations
57:20- 1971 Kargil War, CPEC & American Assistance
01:06:25- Data exploitation risk from China & Mumbai power grid shut down
01:22:02- Youth in India, Atmanirbhar Bharat & Social Media
01:26:02- North East Crisis & Artificial Intelligence
01:45:10- Honey Trap Case & Ban on Tik-Tok
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People like him are quietly doing their job to protect Bharath. Thanks for bringing them out.
See today our enemies will be on alert and change by listening to water mouth stories, this comes under official secret act's.
@@kaushikthaker9666 educating and entertaining the population is also very important. moreover general things are known to the whole world so not a breach of secrecy.
PERFECT! That's Why he was a SUPER-SPY! Hats Off to Him Lt Col पवित्रन राजन
Tax was not more than 5% in ARTHASHAHTRA so why they r not following that
Respect for Col Hunny Bakshi just keep increasing.
Indeed
can't agree more. the man is a legend and a true leader
So does respect for the Congress keeps on decreasing.
I wish if col.hunny bakshi sir Lt.gen Tiny dhillon sir in Nsa advisory board it will take intelligence grid into next level
Mmmmjjj 1:23:11 dv free
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Love his line “ in international relations there’s no Vasudeiva Kutumbkam’ only ‘ Chanakya Neethi’ ❤️
Its Vasudhaiva kutumbakam, not Vasudeva. In Sanskrit Vasudha means the planet earth. Kutumb means family. Vasudha ev kutumbakam means the world is but one family.😊
@@Dankelkar now explain neethu also
Yes,yes this is a diamond statement,Col Pavi.
वसुधा+ एवं+कुटुंबकं मा r मी वसुधैवकुटुंबकं
वसुधा+एव+कुटुंबकं = वसुधैवकुटुंबकम { SORRY,I could not Copy Paste well}
I never knew Pavi was so deep into the nuances of info warfare. I remember our association in late nineties in Rashtriya Rifles. He always had the kink in him looking for out of the box ideas. Highly energetic officer who was too sharp & unique in intelligence gathering. His transformation from an infantry man to a techi has been for the good for him & the nation. Looking for more such interviews.
This podcast is worth every second. Realised and understood several new lessons from this episode.
absolutely!! I second you.
@@akshaynitinvaidyalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllkllllllll😮
😊o
Wow,you must have reached stars with this knowledge, congratulations 🎉
@@sidraikram3642 99😘999999999
Everyone knows Pavvi as a cyber expert, but very little is known about his sharp skills as an Infantryman. I had moved into the Valley as a novice with Pavvi as my company officer. He would analyze and forecast terrorist action, which i believed very little in until the autumn operation. On specific int of presence of terrorist (I was the team cdr with Pavvi) we cordoned off the target house. However, despite numerous detailed searches we drew a blank. Standing inside the house we were contemplating our next course of action. Pavvi suddenly yelled ‘Sir get aside, I can smell him, he’s in this room’. I immediately rushed out of the room (though I did not believe him). A thorough search of the room drew terrorist fire from a hideout and we finally neutralized him. I was totally intrigued and on later asking him, he explained that the body language of the house owner indicated terrorist presence while the pungent fear smeared sweat odour confirmed his presence. All thanks to him that I am alive to write this comment. After the incident I have started trusting him more than my life.
😊
Wow
Got calls from friends about the autumn ops…though covered very briefly..it was an intricate ops & maybe would justify a separate podcast in future…
Salute for your service Sir!
exactly what i had expected from that great mind
I am still trying to digest everything Col Pavithran Sir said. Colonel Sir is so modest and such a patriot..This is such a superlative podcast...Beyond excellence. Thanks so much, Smita ji. Thanks for the splendid insights, Colonel Sir.
This is one of the best 2 hrs of content I have consumed is a long while! Fantastic attitude and work by Lt. Col. Pavithran Rajan!
This is your best podcast. Other military personnel were great but this person has far better clarity and articulation than any of them.
Also i used to consider a lot of them slow based on what i heard from one of the friend in my college. This was further reinforced by hearing General/Colonel speaking on tv and twitter. It's good to meet few people with brain. I liked the bit where he was chatting with navy personnel, especially what it was about.
They look slow as they have to weigh every word they say.
He is a teacher therefore he is a clar on his point. Other military personnel was not a teacher so their speaking skills may not be as par with teacher.
@@vinithagodbole6321 you didn't understand the meaning of slow. Also evaluating people in high position in neutral environment (academics : Strictly speaking, it's not neutral cause one is continuing his studies and in great college & other is coming back to study based on their need but in terms of power, equal playing field ) over months gives you better picture
This Colonel's one helluva guy; for all the groundbreaking work, he himself is so grounded, humble and positive. Also some of it may be coming from his intelligence training.
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I personally know him.
He should be in the ministry
For anyone interested, Books quoted in the above interview:
Art of War - SunTzu
Surveillance Valley: Yasha Levine
Principles of Dealing with changing world order : Ray Dalio
Also article written by Pavitra Rajan: The Fallacy of the Cyber Commons
other books by Levine seems to be equally interesting - flipped through a few pages
Hi Sir, we even in Armu quote Sun Tzu, but we do not read our own scriptures or books and take knowledge or ideas. For example, Chanakyas Artha sastre, Manu Smriti, Bajirao, Shivaji, Jai Singh etc.... we have some how lost our connect with our knowledge and probably, we dont even try to know. Sad.......just for info. No offence meant Sir.
Really for being an IT professional for 13year and knowing most of it in back of my mind, I am still getting my mind blown ... Hats Off Sir.
I really pray that these issues don't die down in political muck.
We see how people, mainly patriots citizens need Aatmnirbhar bhart " Givt, Modiji ".
@@ramachandrannair4554 have you heard about WGS DATUM? 1984 so sad to see the troops didnt know how to use use it
This episode just blew my mind. As an engineer and a technology enthusiast, I was knowing isolated things about cyber warfare, but to know about the holistic viewpoint was such an enlightening experience. I just hope there are many like him now working on these things to keep our country safe.
I hope you are one of our tech soldiers. We need people from public to serve the nation in whatever capacity they can 👍
Use me if I can be of any use to my country just don't want to go so uselessly .Jai Hind 🙏
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@@ManeeshSolankiVideos This video has not even scratched the surface. With data and clustering algorithms, every human can be categorized and information can be weaponized. The first thing is to get the govt to pass a data protection and privacy laws. Tired of guys just talking and doing nothing.
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I often wonder if it is possible to have more (retired) military folks in politics/handling ministerial portfolios! They’re highly educated and knowledgeable due to their sheer number of years of experience! ❤
doctors and soldiers deal with reality throughtout their career, while others tend to live in the twilight world between fantasy and reality.
Not to say very high integrity...
NaMo govt has actively encouraged 'lateral entry' of top Indian technocrats, who have led brilliant successful research careers in cutting edge technology research divisions at Apple, Cisco, MS, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Skydio, Lockheed Martin, Wybotics, AR, UAVAmerica,Nokia, Amadeus, Dassault, Erikson etc..
Most of these professionals, now their mid fifties /early sixties are being actively encouraged to consider joining as lateral entry direct recruits to the post of Under/joint Secretary in various ministries.
The entire lateral entry system is reportedly managed by close Modi confidante lateral entry system, Union MoS, Personnel, Jitendra Singh directly and a personal email to him kickstarts the entire process, which includes a very comprehensive background check and so on and so forth.
@@jaideepc786 I am very glad that it is already happening at the bureaucratic level. Is it possible to have postings like that of Dr. Jai Shankar (political)?
Keep the politics and Army (retd) separate. Look at the neighbors.
The amount of detail that he goes into is just amazing. He is not a generalist, he is a Specialist. That too a polymath. Amazing.
1:41:25 AI, Nano Tech, Genitics, Quantam Computing
We from Indian IT are running behind outsourced development (like bonded labourers) and doing nothing in either of 4 fields (at least to my knowledge). Why….? This Gentlemen need to speak more… I love his talk. Thanks Smita ji for bringing him 🙏
"We are small cogs in huge machinery" This greatly sums up the world of intelligence and how if you take a piece out would have the power to disrupt the entire process. Brilliant analogy.
Fantastic Podcast on Cybersecurity from an Indian perspective! Really appreciate Col Rajan’s efforts in indirectly hinting at so many things. Other fella is not needed in the discussion. Smita can prepare a list of questions instead of coming up with impromptu questions next time. We are more than happy to go sequentially instead of making it haphazardly. Sometimes podcasts like this require sequential questioning. I definitely looking forward to a book from Col Pavi. Just like Vikram Sood’s book on spying and intelligence gathering. I expect a comprehensive book by Col Pavi on cybersecurity. Upcoming decade is going to be a game changer. Kudos to the ANI team🎉
Smitha ji you hv proved again that yours is the most researched and intelligent podcast. Great respect for your thorough research into understanding the subject in depth.
Amazing..it pains me to see people like Col Pavi and Col Hunny Bakshi were overlooked for promotion, thanks to the Chandigarh Mafia and others in the Army ..such was the politics in the Army during UPA regime
What is Chandigarh mafia?.
What do you expect?
These officers came from one of us.
Yeah. Not just UPA but in Congress. All the Congress era promoted Army men, to this day are Congress loyalists. Rest are BJP. Psychologically it's a fascinating thing to observe. 😊
Right
@@Saral_Lekhi and they want rahul gandhi as PM
My goodness, no word to express anything, thousands salutes to this men and women of our country who plays a role behind the curtains, thanks for the podcast
Thank you Smita Ma'am for such Podcasts. We can see 2 hours of podcast without any distraction. It's really hard these days 😂🙏
The colonel is a classic example of quiet, refined, brilliance. Superb interview.
Awesome Pavi sir....great to see you at this platform with Smita ji......joining the elite gp of whos who ...who have been at her podcast ....indeed a proud feeling for our Fraternity ...especially for me who had been with you in the initial days of my journey....May wahegurjis blessings be upon you always be there....Deg Teg Fateh
It was a pleasure to have him. Thanks
in 1999 kids from IITs were hacking international , there were groups of kids hacking into foreign countries servers before all this. Indian defence should use kids to help them out.
No baba. There was never any successful Indian hacker group disrupting international organization. Whatever happened in 1990s was basic zero day and exploit attacks, never brute force and malware ones
@@testahom4690disagree! Back in those days there were no mass attacks! Everyone else is also doing basic zero day stuff! And internet penetration was very miniscule to do such attacks.
@@testahom4690 what r u saying 😂🤦🏻♂️. Do you even know what zero days are ? And brute force what ? Facebook passwords lol.
where's the proof??...what can you come up with and how you can provide the details of those hacking??
@Kraken Thunder hahah
"In international relations there is no Vasudev Kutumbhakum, there's only Chanakya Neeti"
"If this Atmanirbhar Bharat succeeds, it will be the most defining moment in history of our civilization"
Colonel sahab communication skills and intellectual capability 🔥
How come pakistan soldiers can enter india very easily and blast the indian armies and taj hotel
Pavi's thought process has always been ahead of times especially in ICT domain. It's time people in corridors of power take the threats & opportunities that this potential frankenstein opens up for the Nation in not so far future seriously.!! There aren't many who understand this path as much as Pavithran does. An illuminating talk that should be heard by one and all !!! Thanks Smitha.. look forward to more such podcasts..👍
What a man!! This episode just bloomed my thinking and now new dimension has to be brought in.. thank you for your service sir!!
What an amazing podcast,it was like watching a movie..so gripping.. great storytelling.. and so many lessons... hats off to everyone involved!
I don't no whether you observe it or not but many Indian army and intel officers are coming on social media and describing many things to peoples these days. I guess its great to share what are they doing and how as a citizen we can co-operate with them for betterment in the security of our nation. Also I think they are trying to tell the youth what are the qualities and skills they want , It feel like branding and marketing of services. as an Indian feel happy that people like him are working in services.
❤
He used "sleepy towns" to refer to Jaisalmer and Barmer, which really made me laugh.😅😅
Just an absolute delight listening to this particular podcast. The last few parting words are applicable at an individual level reg. what’s impacting us, our kids via screen as well as a civilization on where we are headed if we don’t take the ownership of the technology we use.
Chanakya Neeti - India is truly blessed. It's lovely to know such brilliant people!
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Wonderful to hear all the efforts that went into performing and getting real results...good to see how you were able to wade through uncharted territories while staying within Organisational boundaries.....I remember few conversations we had in the early 2000s...well done Pavithran...... a great interview Smita Prakash and team...
Col pavi is a pure pleasant to hear, awesome insight into security aspects of technology. loved this episode by smita prakash ji
What a life! This podcast was worth every second. Don't remember how many times I went back to listen to a missed word or two, something that I rarely feel the need to do often.
Next step - d/l and read all articles by Mr Rajan and try to get my hands on the book written by him.
Versatile personality with Vast experience in defence & cyber warfare... Kudos to Col.Pavi .. India has such breed of Intellectuals, PM Modi shud take care of such brains in any capacity..M thrilled with his knowledge & Vision of true Aatmanirbhar Bharat...Hatts of to Smita Prakash in inviting such Genius...
Hello Smita
would like to share my experiences of life and my managing 167 ULFAs names, addresses, weapons, and publicity material during OP Bajrang in Asaam. Based on those details, the complete Division planned its operations. Gen NC VIJ issued a DO letter mentioning all this, Incidently i am a 1971 and Kargil war veteran beside Op Bajrang, A Rajputana Rifles soldier. look forward to your suitable revert.
whoever are you , delete this comment and get disapper from here
This was one of the most if not the most impressive podcasts when it comes to real intelligence stuff.
Watching this podcast , made me realise that there are so many people in intelligence like pavi sir fighting constant war , without getting into public domain doing their work 🇮🇳, eye-opener podcast , those who control technology controls the wold, especially the last 1 min of podcast where he mentioned the products being sold to defeated nation made a huge impact on observation Information Warfare
GREAT TUBE .... THANKS AGAIN.... no words to express the service your POSTCARDS are doing to US AS A NATION. Thanks a lot and all the best.
Listening to this podcast feels like having a thoughtful conversation with a great guru. The topics are intriguing, the discussions are enlightening, and the hosts have a wonderful way of making complex ideas easy to understand. Thank you "Pavi" Sir for sharing your knowledge and passion with the world. Looking forward to more such episodes!
What a podcast! I think it depends on us, common people, to work hard and be aware and execute our responsibilities in the best possible manner if we want to rise up again to our earlier glory. Bharat Mata ki Jai!🇮🇳
Tremendously educative! Thanks to Col Pavithran Rajan and Smita for hosting this.
Amazing episode. The military/espionage/exciting real life stuff podcasts by Smita ma'am and Dubeyji are second to none. Amazing man great achievements.
Bharat as a nation is proud to have Lt Col Pavi as its son's. It's people like him and others in the govt machinery that make sure our nation is safe from all fronts.
ani comes up with best defense podcasts , the podcast with ex raw chief was also very informative thank you smita mam.
Always knew these things, but could never connect the dots, till I watched this podcast on an open plateform.
Thank you !!
Charming, blunt and to the point. No beating around the bush. Really impressive
Excellent content, great man, eye opener for many Indians I believe. Very first takeaway is - start reading multi-disciplinary content to stay aware amd understand the bigger picture.
Great content. These are the real heroes which our entire country needs to cherish.
I was glued to this podcast till end. Fantastic, Kudos to Smitha Prakash and Col Pavithran
Col Saheb, ''lack of strategic thinking/planning'': bless you for those words! I am 63, have never used a smart phone; minimal footprint on social media, as well. But coming back to the absence of strategic thinking, I am deeply concerned that today we have no way to communicate to our ''betters' in the Indian establishment about some things one might feel are vital to our security interests, and are of a time-sensitive nature. May I connect with you somehow and send you the names of a couple of organic chemicals as well as some of their derivative products? As an infantry commander in Kargil, you will at once see what is relevant about these materials.
Also, our food production systems are wildly out of order; exceptionally vulnerable. I don't know if the PMO or the Indian economists, intoxicated with the fumes of their own supposed cleverness, ably abetted by their obsessively anti-national conditioning., are in any position to advise our leaders about the clear and present dangers facing us. Just as Barkha Dutt was at Kargil, taking real -time pictures of the artillery positions, a feat she repeated in Mumbai.
Modiji was able to devote 3 days of his very precious time to a national meet on Natural Farming, but might not be similarly enthusiastic about thinking through some counter-intuitive suggestions on our food security, and energy concerns. Whoever has been feeding Nitin Gadkariji specious nonsense about 'green hydrogen" and ''biofuels" need to be countered by opposing points of view , based on scholarly evidence and the unrelenting principles of thermodynamics. Would you be willing to find some ears willing to listen to some urgent concerns, or be willing to listen to such yourself? One other person would be most valuable: Sri Jayshankar's brother, who began his career as a game theorist under someone I know well and who can voich that I am not insane, by a long shot. Hare Srinivasa
What a great podcast this is ❤
Clarity of thought is at it's highest order.
Absolutely amazing discussion 🛑
This was most eye opening podcast. Best in the series I have listened so far.
Such an absolute legend….very enlightening 2hrs of conversation. Thank you very much Smita ma’am .
Great podcast on Cybersecurity , for our nation we do need to work a lot to close knowledge gap between us and between enemy nation.
This is THE BEST PODCAST ever made by Smita Prakash mam.
Smita ji thank you so very much for such interviews. My greatest takeaway amongst many others is that we have such great patriotic personalities like Pavitharan Raj who spend personal monies for the benefit of our country
Very well spoken Pavi sir. Your knowledge on the subject left me spellbound. The lucid flow of thoughts alongside deep insight of this complex topic speaks of your passion and hard work. Thoroughly proud to be your coursemate. God bless. Regards
It's absolutely a great podcast for Indians to understand the importance of Cyber Security and we have to follow certain things to keep yourself safe. India is way behind in Cyber security and it takes lot of effort for Govt and others to implement the security practices. Schools should start security as a subject from class 6 to colleges, universities as a mandatory subject.
The main thing is that because of internet there lot of intercaste interregion and religion hate
The worst thing about all this is.. our gadhey politician have been calling us as leader in IT industry since one & half decade but we are spied on to core by our adversaries... Forget about leader even with massive talent we are not even top 10 in cyberspace domain..
Wow! It was great to confirm about killswtches, types of intelligence threats, etc. I always had my doubts. What an informative episode overall.
Amazing podcast ma'am. words escape me on how to praise you. Thank you for your insights and service, Pavi sir
Jairam Ramesh of congress party used to lobby for Huawei
Thank you for RSS Whatsapp university news. BTW Supreme leader Modi G was used to go to China every year till 2020 to meet with Chinese community party leaders. Also he used to visit Pakistan, send mangoes to there. Just enquire how son of Amit shah become multi millionaire?
@@Stallion_1044 fair point but if you dont agree with someone why do you call them rss or sanghis .
@@utkarshraj229 I never called anyone sanghi or mob lyncher. But just stated the events that has happened
@@Stallion_1044 my bad then .
@@Stallion_1044 yeah but what's the point? In the late 80s & early 90s many first gen IT pillars of India were hosted on Chinese territory...and many ICT models were "borrowed" but that doesn't mean that we don't have to cancel Chinese....let's call spade a spade .... Chinese cyber domain is years ahead....
Modi or other old mgmt doesn't matters in civilizational warfare.
Smita, you continue to bring fascinating interviews. Just when I think you have done your best, you outdo yourself. May you reach greater heights. Jai Hind.
Thanks Smitha for bringing out to us such a nice eye opening interview with Mr Pavitharan
For me it's the best podcast so far on this channel. Great learning experience. Thank you ANI & Pavi Sir❤.
I wanted to here this type of stuff from ages! indian intelligence and cyber capabilities were next to zero in just 2004 worries me.. I hope they have bridged that gap.
Honey sir deserves to be groomed for the NSA role, he is born and developed for it
Thank you sir for this podcast & Smita mam too , You all are doing great things, helping nation to educate the importance of cyber security, IT .
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
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To decipher the concluding statement by sir. India has already deployed ICT products like handsets,internet,IP,systems etc etc which are not at all Indian and we are heavily relying on those products for our daily affairs. One press on kill switch or amendment in use case scenario, we are doomed we will lose. Recently when the GOI had put out order regd to non-usage of Chinese phones in Mil estb but then what's the other option? Apple? Again a US made phone & US has never been a good ally, overtly they may show but covertly they are against India's growth & always vested with interests. It's important now voters irrespective of political party ideology constantly demand for reforms in these domains & focus more on these issues if we force them to think on these things then only there will be action & we will be nearer to victory or else we will just end up in sledging & debating on wrong issues all time and enemy will play it's checkmate move sitting thousand kms away.
Eye opener for all of us 😮
Col Rajan great personality
Also kudos and heartfelt gratitude and infinite salutations to Col. Rajan (Pavi) in his display of controlled yet open and supremely articulate commentary on a subject that is of prime importance to how we as a civilisation will be judged by our future generations ..Jai Hind Sir and more power to you and may your tribe grow and prosper to make us atmanirbhar...Jai Hind! 🇮🇳
Brilliant Views and lovely narration from Col., G8 if we can get many more such real episodes going. ANI is known for Godi Media..Happy you are taking on real stories and broadcasting....Please do more of this.
Rice bag coverts complaining about godi media ?
Lot of pakistanis here in the comments, many with fake user id names.. jealous and sad again..
Aate hi kyu ho indian spaces me jab pata h bezzati honi he😂
Thank you ANI for bringing this up!
Sir, really fascinating career. After your interview i understood that during world war there were only personal interests and no allies. Eye opening interview and lots of info.
The host is IRRITATING. Interrupting every now and then. You DO NOT need to explain every acronym. Let your listeners do their basic R&D.
Too much i i i i i i i i i i i and forcefully speaking in English why ?
How do you know it's forced?
@@Shant... fluency
He is from trivandrum Kerala. Not fluent in Hindi.
@@satyam_suman if he is not fluent in Hindi or English then kindly speak in tamil on a south indian news channel podcast, Why here ?
Golden tooth, are you from Pakistan trying to exploit non existent differences as mentioned in the podcat ?
Wow...amazingly insightful, I believe this is one of best podcast ever seen in my life....thanks
Excellent program.. fascinated to watch and listen to the wise words from Lt Col Rajan.
What a wonderful podcast once again! abundance of knowledge sharing, still processing the information i got, Thanks Smita and team
Very well spoken.I was enthralled by your espionage experience. Your indepth knowledge of cyber security and behind the scene stories of the Kargil war really blew my mind.We think everything is at the click of our fingers,but this interview made me wonder if our privacy is being compromised by our extensive use of digital medium in our everyday lives. I liked how you quoted from our age old scriptures like Arthashastra and Manusmriti etc, while drawing a parallel with the present day scenario. It made me sit up and take notice when you spoke about how the country that controls the internet controls the world .
Absolutely Brilliant
Loved 🥰 it.
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Superb interview.. Congratulations. Got to learn so many things from the Colonel. Thanks for such a fantastic person on your show.
Wow. This was very insightful. The clarity in vision and the future.
Wonderfull.
Keep on bringing such a highly articulated and knowledgeable defence people on show. I never miss your shows
Wow this is bombshell of interview.... Just bonkers this interview is.... Brilliant
Very insightful, it is so good to hear from such unsung heroes. He knew what he was talking about. The concluding remarks were something that everyone who watches this podcast to ponder upon. How we as citizens are enabling our adverseries because what they provide is slightly cheap. But eventually it will be more harmful for us, rahter than helpful which we were made to believe!
Mind blowing podcast...hatsoff to people like col Pavithran 🙏🙏🙏
One of the finest Podcast, I have ever seen and enjoyed listening.
Absolutely interesting interview. One of the best ones Smita Prakash! Mr Pavi’s explanations takes us, the commoners, to a very different sphere. Incredible. 🙏🏻
Gold pure gold...top notch podcast 👍