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Slavoj's two main points at the end I found very valuable and profound: 1. that a mask is never just a mask and can be used to moderate our real agenda. 2. going too deep inside your 'inner' self isn't always helpful, and can be harmful. I think we're fundamentally drive by the needs of our biological makeup interacting with its social and physical environment.
@@SinnerOneNine i don't think that idea is trivial. Most people think they need to find their "true purpose" (from their inner self) and live by it 100% to have a fulfilling life. But Zizek's idea is that, this is wrong, because we can't reduce ourselves to our inner self without cutting parts that are "us" away. Never heard of that before.
It makes him feel smarter than he is. All is relative. Those hobos are his only fans, along with a few of the most narcissistic feminists in the west (you know, suit and office jobs and no children until they are too old and regret it).
Good topic of conversation.. The psychological limitations that society faces would be more apparent to us if we could see how others view us in larger social spheres.
5:47 Argument for Hegelian-Dialectic, or rather conversating as a means of finding Truth, you can also argue the scientific method, or tradition found through God which has been practiced for generations.
Imagine this: ....Upon meeting Dr. Splutter Wipe Snotnose, he held out his hand to shake yours and you noticed his hand was moist. He instantly saw your reflexive response and said with gravitas ......"Secundum Quid et Simpliciter.......I am not really a philosopher"
The love for a translation of real life into games and by that for competition seems to be a part of the survival mechanism of every individual human being. We all want play and comparative competition. Be that for reasons of using games as a boot camp, training ground or for escapism from a reality which is perceived as colourlessly boring and uncontrollable. A surrender to the virtual level is both and literally: play on time and a means for escapism from factual challenges to be solved. Sorry, I talk too much
No, that was pretty much relevant. TV, Netflix, cute animals on youtube, daily types of drug abuse, watching sports and playing mobile games are all escapisms. It can maybe never go down to a nothing in mankind, but too much of it will clearly push over the point of no return. We see that IQ is dropping in many countries. In 40 years it will be dropping everywhere, and we could risk that kids are so bored and dumb that islam, nazism and mass paedophilia cults grow just because people go into a form of collective mild insanity.
It is always thought provoking listening to Slavoj Žižek's interpretations of reality. I feel sorry for the kid on the left, he is so obviously unprepared to debate at this level, like most of us would be.. a bit unfair to put him on such a hard stage.
The bloke on the left is great (Destiny), but I think that Destiny can't understand Zizek's accent, because he was totally unfazed when Zizek made jokes.
@@varany3376I’ve noticed a few times where a debater who disagrees with Zizek seems to deliberately refrain from laughing at his jokes. And I’m only speculating here, but it seems to me that they may be operating under the impression that Zizek at times garners audience support via jokes when his actual argument fails to land on its own strength.
bro destiny is an american that only knows one language, that being english and you're saying that he cant understand him?, meanwhile me an arab who only learnt how to speak the language fully at the age of 17 can fully comprehend his speech !! @@varany3376
@@varany3376 You don't watch Destiny if you think him not laughing at a joke is even worth a single thought. They guy never laugh at intentional jokes.
To be fair debating Zizek is difficult because hearing what’s he’s saying can be difficult. It’s like debating RFK jr. It’s very annoying or hard to debate people who are hard to hear clearly. Now he might be easy for you to hear but I personally wouldn’t want to debate or have any kind of discussion with him simply off the fact it’s hard to understand what he’s saying.
This event is one of the most depressing things I have seen since the Peterson "superdebate" in Canada. Jesus Christ, Lisa Miller on the same stage with Slavoj Zizek? And who is the other one, grinning like a weather forecastrer? Poor Slavoj...
Every panel needs at least one Roger Penrose; The person who actually has something meaningful to say and isn't just trying to impress his peers. Then you can let all of the other panelists waste time doing whatever Zizek and Destiny are doing here.
The fact that someone like Destiny (wtf to that name btw) is taken as seriously as Roger Penrose (a great man) by being allowed a platform on this yt channel is laughable. 😂 But to each their own I guess, and I do believe in the freedom of speech.
Your right about Destiny. But saying zizek is somehow less valuable than Penrose is not true. Penrose is a mathematician and physicist while zizek is a psychoanalytic philosopher and cultural critic. Penrose wouldn't connect his science with economic phenomenon. Thats the difference here. Don't mistake him for being non-analytical.
@@Demetrius_Johnson-r1b No, Zizek's contribution is less valuable. He doesn't even stay on topic here, he just changes the topic to a cliche idea most people already are familiar with. He's good at filling up time with empty words, and since he doesn't work in hard sciences or math that's enough for a career in academia.
@@Jorbz150 Re-interpreting Hegel using Lacanian psychoanalysis is very non-cliche and is ofcourse academic in nature. As i said hes an analytic type of philosopher. And i dont see where he doesn't stay on topic? If you think its just empty words most probably you didn't get the joke.
Zizek doesn't engage with the question (understandably) and instead just dusts off some older lines of thought to please the crowd. Meanwhile, Destiny, a guy who "debates" and jostles with 15 year olds in his chat, is equally unequipped to handle to question. Trying to "gamify" every facet of our lives like a Black Mirror episode with a straight face lol
I get what you mean. But Approaching the question in a very conventional academic way doesn't really help all the time. Its better to come up with an example as a counter argument other than theoretically explaining why life is not a game using the core tennets of Materialism. Dont you think the French cuisine example made perfect sense as it has zero gamifying elements?
The Left in a nutshell. ROFL. Not much happening inside their minds. Of course, if we talk about the angloamerican world, the Right is in a far worse condition, mostly praising communist leaders like Putin and demented tragedies like Trump, as well as believing in little green men at every corner and "god" (a purely political construction). But that is in the angloamerican world. ;)
@@Demetrius_Johnson-r1b Conventional academia is the scientific method. It is though not directly relevant for philosophical debates or worries about cultural changes that might go into human decay. The word "game" is not of any content before we agree enough on a common definition being pretty detailed. "Life" as a general situation can in that case never be called a game anyway, as games in the normal definitions are a part of reality and not life itself.
@@KibyNykraft Not really. Game most of the time aligns with ontological idealism. As it has a clearcut end point with rulesets which has an undialectical linear method of progression. The question is that is Life exactly like that? or is it different. Non-philosophers always tend to use terms in a vague non academic sense. Im pretty sure if you were a philosopher you Wouldn't consider the word game as if it weren't established yet. So its inevitable that you use examples other than the academic way of explaining to avoid making it sound complicated atleast.
Destiny and Zizek both engaged and answered the question. They just have different perspectives on what's being asked. Did you watch the video with the sound off?
Disagree. Confucian teachings on Ritual (the book of Rites 礼记) have an area of simulation and virtuality. There are role-reversal rituals (think a video game where you can be someone different) create a space where sons and fathers switch just for a brief moment their roles in the house. It helps the son identify with his future role while maintaining his own identity as son.
As a counterpoint to the panel's "life is a game" proposition: I think a game can be defined as a tuple of exchanges with well defined evaluations for those exchanges. I don't think that's sufficient to define "life". Life I think needs an extra explore/exploit consideration concerning information retrieval, that allows it to model its environment - which in a narrow sense is the game, although it may not always be so.
A decent comment. I'd say that life is very simply a range of chemical processes ,and chemistry = the molecular outcome of atomic bindings, and so forth.... That is not an opinion, that is of course well proved fact. Let us consider information. The DNA holds terabytes of data. Most of it is inherited. What wants to live is the data of the DNA. But just information (energy) does not want anything. It just moves and exists. A game is what is played by the beings who have DNA as the "brain" in every cell. It is important that we avoid mirroring ourselves onto nature. Nature or the Cosmos does not care about that.
Life is not a game. It seems like this concept is just a response to lack of meaning and excuse for collapse of values and explanation of purposely created obstacles for our lives
@@KibyNykraft I don`t think any of the topics you brought has something to do with my comment. I was talking about this specific video and not about postmodernity or whatever. Basically I don`t understand why someone like Zizek, who is a prominent philosopher, is wasting his time talking with this `gamer` guy, who has nothing to say about anything.
Zizek should know it is precisely the "mask" in games which is the most commodified and exclusive item for sale. In the forms of skins and character unlocks. To go to a point later on, Destiny is correct that many games are now designed to be brainless and standardised, but he is incorrect in that saying that frustration has been designed out. All games are now about frustration, but it is the frustration of the slot machine that is designed in. You don't always get what you want, but if you keep on trying, you get lots of distractions and things you don't need. There is zero friction in the trying, but there is friction in the result.
Thats not what he means though. Zizek isnt talking about skins. Hes talking about the "mask" you put on the moment you go online and present some type of character or personality that is not your true self. You adept a character and say and do things, that you would normally not do in "real life". Thats why he is quoting "reality has a fictional structure". Your second point i 100% agree though and i think Slavoj would as well, cause he made a similar quote but on a different topic. Basically saying Life is meaningless if there are not obstacles to overcome.
Jordan Peterson suggests that not all people should be treated with respect, and that our hierarchy of society is based on levels of accomplishment (as opposed to "good will"). This would be a good place to start with how we see ourselves and others before we go into a broader conversation of what types of social games we play with one another.
@@campbellpaul Capitalism is based on trust, not accomplishment. If you don't get a loan before you have accomplished what the loan is for, then the loan has no purpose.
@@bomber9912 I don't know if Zizek would agree with you. To say that things such as skins and character unlocks are irrelevant to the "mask" is to argue that the play or fantasy of these elements have no reality and are too frivolous to take seriously. You are also talking about the "real self" you use in "real life"? What real self, what real life? Its unbearable to think about what lovecraftian horror you might be imagining with these terms.
@@mattd8725 I would say nothing is based on trust, except maybe religion. Capitalist democracy is based on laws alone, which are the foundation of Western Democracy.
Zizek being a comedy icon again, going through an apparently prepared answer to a topic, not to the conversation. I thought he just needed an intro for context but then he continued talking about something hard to follow.
I have to say that the most hilarious or painfully embarassing sides of Randy in SP, is the direct parody on the Democrat voter in the USA, and in some cases also the majority of the Republican voters.
sucks to be you, not trusting people just because you dislike their hair color and what they do as a hobby and for a living. and also good for you to not care what other people have. but the reality is that many people are envious of other people's wealth. just because you don't do it, doesn't mean the reality is different. I'm not even saying you are the exception. I'm just saying there are many people of both types.
I have a hunch they both read. Zizek is older, and I'm sure he has read more. I'm still not sure if that's enough to qualify someone as an "actual philosopher." Though I'm not sure what value that label has. What you mean to say is "Zizek is well respected by his peers, so he must be saying something smart and important." And that's wrong. He's just good at saying things that impress his peers.
@@Jorbz150 not what I am saying at all. obviously. and, yeah, if u've read zizek then you know he's a deft reader himself (however much he's oft to repeat himself and his references--no doubt up to date on philosophical texts from his peers and nemesis alike. no 'hunch' needed there. after a couple years now of destiny content and its abundant to see he's another victim of post-literate, millennial screen dooming more trained to pick up on verbal cues than ever capable able of referencing, reciting or sublimating the works of philiosophers, thinkers, critics and artists at all. his skill, as is this skill of all doomfuzz sophists is to remember factoids and graphemes, little bits and bobs of google statistics rather than ever say anything other than the most milky 'left' liberal streamers. i mean c'mon. these are NOT two peas in a pod friend.
He meant Envy is the thief of joy. Envy is when you want what someone else has, but jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have. If you want your neighbor's new convertible, you feel envy. If she takes your husband for a ride, you feel jealousy.
Edited again (sorry) : There is a lot of joy for the bird in enjoying the sunset on a branch, the half second before the hunter's bullet arrives to squash its throat and brain. ;) I think Einstein said that all is relative, but it isn't entirely true. Conclusion : Joy is good because death is the stalker and not you the inviter. Alternatively : Joy is irrelevant and dumbing down the natural being into becoming easy prey. Both are true of course although they are in seeming contradictions.
what if someone wants to be a wordsmith? while I disagree with a lot of what Destiny stands for, one can learn from him about how to argue in good faith (not that he never argues with bad faith, it's just he regularly do both, and you can just learn from him when he argues in good faith), and how to disagree with other people's values for what those values are, not just because you happen to have a polar opposite value.
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Slavoj's two main points at the end I found very valuable and profound:
1. that a mask is never just a mask and can be used to moderate our real agenda.
2. going too deep inside your 'inner' self isn't always helpful, and can be harmful.
I think we're fundamentally drive by the needs of our biological makeup interacting with its social and physical environment.
Water is indeed wet
@@SinnerOneNine i don't think that idea is trivial.
Most people think they need to find their "true purpose" (from their inner self) and live by it 100% to have a fulfilling life. But Zizek's idea is that, this is wrong, because we can't reduce ourselves to our inner self without cutting parts that are "us" away.
Never heard of that before.
Strange timeline.
Destiny powers down when not speaking. (To reduce emissions.)
Slavoj Žižek doing charity work by bringing a coloured haired hobo on stage.
It makes him feel smarter than he is. All is relative. Those hobos are his only fans, along with a few of the most narcissistic feminists in the west (you know, suit and office jobs and no children until they are too old and regret it).
@@KibyNykraft just say you're mad women are doing way better in life than your lonely ass
That hobo has more money than zizek. He's probably also more popular.
@@fullfildreamzmaybe in America but not worldwide…
Both are pretty useless indicators. @@fullfildreamz
Good topic of conversation.. The psychological limitations that society faces would be more apparent to us if we could see how others view us in larger social spheres.
5:47
Argument for Hegelian-Dialectic, or rather conversating as a means of finding Truth, you can also argue the scientific method, or tradition found through God which has been practiced for generations.
Gothe said exactly what zizek pointed out..truth and error are the same.
Where did he say that?
Maxims and Reflections I believe, or are you referring to when Zizek said that in the video?@@wlrlel
@@dostonietzsche no, I meant Goethe. Thanks!
Imagine this: ....Upon meeting Dr. Splutter Wipe Snotnose, he held out his hand to shake yours and you noticed his hand was moist. He instantly saw your reflexive response and said with gravitas ......"Secundum Quid et Simpliciter.......I am not really a philosopher"
I can't believe people take Density seriously...
Watching at 2x, Slavoj legit looks like he is about to explode or something. Kinda gave me anxiety, not gonna lie.
The love for a translation of real life into games and by that for competition seems to be a part of the survival mechanism of every individual human being. We all want play and comparative competition.
Be that for reasons of using games as a boot camp, training ground or for escapism from a reality which is perceived as colourlessly boring and uncontrollable. A surrender to the virtual level is both and literally: play on time and a means for escapism from factual challenges to be solved.
Sorry, I talk too much
No, that was pretty much relevant. TV, Netflix, cute animals on youtube, daily types of drug abuse, watching sports and playing mobile games are all escapisms. It can maybe never go down to a nothing in mankind, but too much of it will clearly push over the point of no return. We see that IQ is dropping in many countries.
In 40 years it will be dropping everywhere, and we could risk that kids are so bored and dumb that islam, nazism and mass paedophilia cults grow just because people go into a form of collective mild insanity.
(restless + alienated is the worst possible combination on the general public scale)
What even is this.
A sign that there are almost no intelligent public intellectuals left in the world.
Do you know el chapulin colorado? Zizek do a similar gig.
I really wish I could listen to Zizek speak. I'll read the transcript, I truly want to know his ideas
It is always thought provoking listening to Slavoj Žižek's interpretations of reality. I feel sorry for the kid on the left, he is so obviously unprepared to debate at this level, like most of us would be.. a bit unfair to put him on such a hard stage.
The bloke on the left is great (Destiny), but I think that Destiny can't understand Zizek's accent, because he was totally unfazed when Zizek made jokes.
@@varany3376I’ve noticed a few times where a debater who disagrees with Zizek seems to deliberately refrain from laughing at his jokes. And I’m only speculating here, but it seems to me that they may be operating under the impression that Zizek at times garners audience support via jokes when his actual argument fails to land on its own strength.
bro destiny is an american that only knows one language, that being english and you're saying that he cant understand him?, meanwhile me an arab who only learnt how to speak the language fully at the age of 17 can fully comprehend his speech !! @@varany3376
@@varany3376 You don't watch Destiny if you think him not laughing at a joke is even worth a single thought. They guy never laugh at intentional jokes.
To be fair debating Zizek is difficult because hearing what’s he’s saying can be difficult. It’s like debating RFK jr. It’s very annoying or hard to debate people who are hard to hear clearly. Now he might be easy for you to hear but I personally wouldn’t want to debate or have any kind of discussion with him simply off the fact it’s hard to understand what he’s saying.
The age of rentier capitalism.
Starts at 2:18
Were they talking about the same thing?
Zizek often just says whatever he feels like saying regardless of if its relevant
Destiny, truth be told, we are living a co-op surge right now. And this is very cool.
PS: Imagine a talk with Zizek and Hideo Kojima
This event is one of the most depressing things I have seen since the Peterson "superdebate" in Canada. Jesus Christ, Lisa Miller on the same stage with Slavoj Zizek? And who is the other one, grinning like a weather forecastrer? Poor Slavoj...
slavoj is trying to reach their audience to question themselves and their ideas.
Every panel needs at least one Roger Penrose; The person who actually has something meaningful to say and isn't just trying to impress his peers. Then you can let all of the other panelists waste time doing whatever Zizek and Destiny are doing here.
The fact that someone like Destiny (wtf to that name btw) is taken as seriously as Roger Penrose (a great man) by being allowed a platform on this yt channel is laughable. 😂
But to each their own I guess, and I do believe in the freedom of speech.
Your right about Destiny. But saying zizek is somehow less valuable than Penrose is not true. Penrose is a mathematician and physicist while zizek is a psychoanalytic philosopher and cultural critic. Penrose wouldn't connect his science with economic phenomenon. Thats the difference here. Don't mistake him for being non-analytical.
@@Demetrius_Johnson-r1b No, Zizek's contribution is less valuable. He doesn't even stay on topic here, he just changes the topic to a cliche idea most people already are familiar with. He's good at filling up time with empty words, and since he doesn't work in hard sciences or math that's enough for a career in academia.
@@Jorbz150 Re-interpreting Hegel using Lacanian psychoanalysis is very non-cliche and is ofcourse academic in nature. As i said hes an analytic type of philosopher. And i dont see where he doesn't stay on topic? If you think its just empty words most probably you didn't get the joke.
@@Jorbz150 Your fragile ego is really showing buddy.
Zizek doesn't engage with the question (understandably) and instead just dusts off some older lines of thought to please the crowd. Meanwhile, Destiny, a guy who "debates" and jostles with 15 year olds in his chat, is equally unequipped to handle to question. Trying to "gamify" every facet of our lives like a Black Mirror episode with a straight face lol
I get what you mean. But Approaching the question in a very conventional academic way doesn't really help all the time. Its better to come up with an example as a counter argument other than theoretically explaining why life is not a game using the core tennets of Materialism. Dont you think the French cuisine example made perfect sense as it has zero gamifying elements?
The Left in a nutshell. ROFL. Not much happening inside their minds. Of course, if we talk about the angloamerican world, the Right is in a far worse condition, mostly praising communist leaders like Putin and demented tragedies like Trump, as well as believing in little green men at every corner and "god" (a purely political construction).
But that is in the angloamerican world. ;)
@@Demetrius_Johnson-r1b Conventional academia is the scientific method. It is though not directly relevant for philosophical debates or worries about cultural changes that might go into human decay. The word "game" is not of any content before we agree enough on a common definition being pretty detailed. "Life" as a general situation can in that case never be called a game anyway, as games in the normal definitions are a part of reality and not life itself.
@@KibyNykraft Not really. Game most of the time aligns with ontological idealism. As it has a clearcut end point with rulesets which has an undialectical linear method of progression. The question is that is Life exactly like that? or is it different.
Non-philosophers always tend to use terms in a vague non academic sense. Im pretty sure if you were a philosopher you Wouldn't consider the word game as if it weren't established yet.
So its inevitable that you use examples other than the academic way of explaining to avoid making it sound complicated atleast.
Destiny and Zizek both engaged and answered the question. They just have different perspectives on what's being asked. Did you watch the video with the sound off?
Game could be a good analogy to not feel deceived in the world of contradictions, largely created by conflicts of interest.
"The only way to overcome your self is to identify with your mask."
Hmm that's the opposite of what Buddhism and other eastern traditions teach.
Disagree. Confucian teachings on Ritual (the book of Rites 礼记) have an area of simulation and virtuality. There are role-reversal rituals (think a video game where you can be someone different) create a space where sons and fathers switch just for a brief moment their roles in the house. It helps the son identify with his future role while maintaining his own identity as son.
@@classic_kennedy Interesting, fair enough
@@whoever_81 I'm sorry I didn't provide more sources, please see Michael J. Puett's lectures on Confucian Rituals if you're interested.
We all just lost The Game
Bruh.
Damn why u gotta do that
As a counterpoint to the panel's "life is a game" proposition: I think a game can be defined as a tuple of exchanges with well defined evaluations for those exchanges. I don't think that's sufficient to define "life". Life I think needs an extra explore/exploit consideration concerning information retrieval, that allows it to model its environment - which in a narrow sense is the game, although it may not always be so.
A decent comment. I'd say that life is very simply a range of chemical processes ,and chemistry = the molecular outcome of atomic bindings, and so forth.... That is not an opinion, that is of course well proved fact. Let us consider information. The DNA holds terabytes of data. Most of it is inherited. What wants to live is the data of the DNA. But just information (energy) does not want anything. It just moves and exists. A game is what is played by the beings who have DNA as the "brain" in every cell. It is important that we avoid mirroring ourselves onto nature. Nature or the Cosmos does not care about that.
Life is not a game. It seems like this concept is just a response to lack of meaning and excuse for collapse of values and explanation of purposely created obstacles for our lives
That was one of the strangest and pointless conversations I've ever saw. So pretentious and empty.
Welcome to the world of postmodernity. The cousin of Art modernity, the avant-garde, religions, theosophy, reality TV shows and "theoretical physics".
@@KibyNykraft I don`t think any of the topics you brought has something to do with my comment. I was talking about this specific video and not about postmodernity or whatever. Basically I don`t understand why someone like Zizek, who is a prominent philosopher, is wasting his time talking with this `gamer` guy, who has nothing to say about anything.
Shallow, and pedantic.
@@999kafka The gamer guy has more valuable things to say than zizek.
@@999kafkathe fact that you're triggered by someone being a gamer literally makes you look like the most superficial fool ever, why even complain then
stick this man near an active nest of Army ants.. and see how much he still thinks ' life is a game ' .
Life is a game with real consequences.
Haha never thought of an active nest of army ants as any sort of philosophical objection before
Zizek should know it is precisely the "mask" in games which is the most commodified and exclusive item for sale. In the forms of skins and character unlocks. To go to a point later on, Destiny is correct that many games are now designed to be brainless and standardised, but he is incorrect in that saying that frustration has been designed out. All games are now about frustration, but it is the frustration of the slot machine that is designed in. You don't always get what you want, but if you keep on trying, you get lots of distractions and things you don't need. There is zero friction in the trying, but there is friction in the result.
Thats not what he means though. Zizek isnt talking about skins. Hes talking about the "mask" you put on the moment you go online and present some type of character or personality that is not your true self. You adept a character and say and do things, that you would normally not do in "real life".
Thats why he is quoting "reality has a fictional structure".
Your second point i 100% agree though and i think Slavoj would as well, cause he made a similar quote but on a different topic. Basically saying Life is meaningless if there are not obstacles to overcome.
Jordan Peterson suggests that not all people should be treated with respect, and that our hierarchy of society is based on levels of accomplishment (as opposed to "good will"). This would be a good place to start with how we see ourselves and others before we go into a broader conversation of what types of social games we play with one another.
@@campbellpaul Capitalism is based on trust, not accomplishment. If you don't get a loan before you have accomplished what the loan is for, then the loan has no purpose.
@@bomber9912 I don't know if Zizek would agree with you. To say that things such as skins and character unlocks are irrelevant to the "mask" is to argue that the play or fantasy of these elements have no reality and are too frivolous to take seriously. You are also talking about the "real self" you use in "real life"? What real self, what real life? Its unbearable to think about what lovecraftian horror you might be imagining with these terms.
@@mattd8725 I would say nothing is based on trust, except maybe religion. Capitalist democracy is based on laws alone, which are the foundation of Western Democracy.
Civilization has fallen
Zizek being a comedy icon again, going through an apparently prepared answer to a topic, not to the conversation. I thought he just needed an intro for context but then he continued talking about something hard to follow.
you need to read more, hard to follow is just an excuse for lack in knowledge.
@@JeronimusJack You have no idea. I am out the other end.
So you reckon in academical panel debates people normally improvise? Thats sweet...
This is a bit like that Simpsons TV debate, oldest man in Springfield vs fattest man in Springfield.
I have to say that the most hilarious or painfully embarassing sides of Randy in SP, is the direct parody on the Democrat voter in the USA, and in some cases also the majority of the Republican voters.
Best part is at @6:46. Useless.
Agreed
I have the Nokia from the '90s and I don't care what other people have.
Also, I don't trust people with blue hair and play games.
sucks to be you, not trusting people just because you dislike their hair color and what they do as a hobby and for a living.
and also good for you to not care what other people have. but the reality is that many people are envious of other people's wealth. just because you don't do it, doesn't mean the reality is different. I'm not even saying you are the exception. I'm just saying there are many people of both types.
bro just proved his point and then said he doesnt trust him......
destiny is so out of his element when actual philosophers (in the sense, I mean, that they read books) enter chat
I have a hunch they both read. Zizek is older, and I'm sure he has read more. I'm still not sure if that's enough to qualify someone as an "actual philosopher." Though I'm not sure what value that label has.
What you mean to say is "Zizek is well respected by his peers, so he must be saying something smart and important." And that's wrong. He's just good at saying things that impress his peers.
@@Jorbz150 not what I am saying at all. obviously. and, yeah, if u've read zizek then you know he's a deft reader himself (however much he's oft to repeat himself and his references--no doubt up to date on philosophical texts from his peers and nemesis alike. no 'hunch' needed there.
after a couple years now of destiny content and its abundant to see he's another victim of post-literate, millennial screen dooming more trained to pick up on verbal cues than ever capable able of referencing, reciting or sublimating the works of philiosophers, thinkers, critics and artists at all. his skill, as is this skill of all doomfuzz sophists is to remember factoids and graphemes, little bits and bobs of google statistics rather than ever say anything other than the most milky 'left' liberal streamers. i mean c'mon.
these are NOT two peas in a pod friend.
@@Jorbz150 Hegel would make Destiny tap out in like 2 minutes
How was he out of his "element"? They literally weren't debating, just engaging in a dialectical exchange.
Not everything is a battle lmao you sound like a child
Destiny sitting real straight. Maintaining frame. Myron taught him well.
... ?
Very nice
Life is not a game, society is.
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Poor lad. All dressed up with his blue hair and gamer name. Yet nothing between the ears.
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screw the rules he has blue hair
If you're so triggered by just that, maybe you have some ideological prepositions to work on yourself
He meant Envy is the thief of joy.
Envy is when you want what someone else has, but jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have. If you want your neighbor's new convertible, you feel envy. If she takes your husband for a ride, you feel jealousy.
Nice but aren’t both killjoys?
@@vikramadoddamani Some say if there isn't a little bit of jealousy in a relationship the romance is probably dead too!
Aha! What if you'd like some time alone with the window cleaner? What then?
@@sprobablycancr4457 If using a condome that would be good. Most men don't want to because it takes away the JOY of natural sex.... ;)
Edited again (sorry) : There is a lot of joy for the bird in enjoying the sunset on a branch, the half second before the hunter's bullet arrives to squash its throat and brain. ;) I think Einstein said that all is relative, but it isn't entirely true. Conclusion : Joy is good because death is the stalker and not you the inviter. Alternatively : Joy is irrelevant and dumbing down the natural being into becoming easy prey. Both are true of course although they are in seeming contradictions.
Classic US vs European outlook. Destiny's view is essentially religious.
wtf are you talking about
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Destiny is a wordsmith. Do not trust him
Shakespeare and many other non manipulative people are also wordsmiths ...
Game theory is based in deception, so perhaps you should trust no one individual.
@@grigorione7824 Yeah the Merchant of Venice was great
what if someone wants to be a wordsmith? while I disagree with a lot of what Destiny stands for, one can learn from him about how to argue in good faith (not that he never argues with bad faith, it's just he regularly do both, and you can just learn from him when he argues in good faith), and how to disagree with other people's values for what those values are, not just because you happen to have a polar opposite value.
@@Qubicle. The best arguments are made by polemicists who can think on their feet.
Zizek on cocaine?
He drinks Slovenian cola.
The Zizeks drenched in irony are in full display
Why isn´t Destiny playing the real life ´game´ then?
wdym? He is happy and rich, I'd say that counts for success
These people are acting really weird.
Both men in the video have some serious issues
True. It's not their fault though
😂😂gamer? Haha
neo feudalism develops as finance industry determening the outcome of competition in the anarchy of production becomes more precise.