2020 Ibis Ripley | Test Ride and Review | THE KING OF SHORT TRAVEL 29ERS!

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  • Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024

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  • @PBsandwichlover
    @PBsandwichlover 5 лет назад +1

    Trail 429 = stable & planted trail bike / SB100 = fast & precise trail bike / Ripley v4 = Balanced trail bike... I've ridden all of these extensively and you cant go wrong with any of them. It really comes down to the fine details and what you like in a bike.. My pick is the SB100, you feel like a serial killer slaying the G.D. trails with that machine.. Love it!!!!

    • @jonathanperillo1795
      @jonathanperillo1795 5 лет назад

      Michael Utley I haven’t ridden the Ripley yet, but rode rode the trail 429. Bought the SB100 and haven’t stopped smiling. Ride after ride, I’m still blown away. It’s so light, nimble and capable. Puts a smile on my face on all the trails. I end up riding it more than my SB150, go figure.

  • @l4x3rj
    @l4x3rj 5 лет назад +2

    Rode kingdom for the first time a few weeks ago. Absolutely awesome trails and like you said exactly what the Ripley was made for!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      This bike is designed for the Kingdom!

  • @Projectnortheast
    @Projectnortheast 5 лет назад +1

    I owned one of the original ripleys... that bike could do it all, and Ibis is one of the best companies to deal with on the market. They aren't really great race bikes, but man they are nice trail bikes for sure.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      Projectnortheast you have to ride the new Ripley then it will blow your mind 🔥🧨🚲

    • @Projectnortheast
      @Projectnortheast 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails can't do it! whenever I demo bikes, I buy new ones lol. Also, I'm fully committed to the brand that's taken care of me for 3+ years... ;)

  • @TheArsenalGoonship
    @TheArsenalGoonship 5 лет назад +1

    My favorite bike! I'm lucky to have one and a Ripmo. The Ripley is what I choose to ride on most rides. Super capable on tech too. I swapped out Schwalbes for smaller (and lighter) Maxxis and the difference was immediate. Great review!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      TheArsenalGoonship thanks! Yeah, I think with smaller width tires this bike would be even faster.

    • @houseofdyer
      @houseofdyer 5 лет назад +1

      What Maxxis combo did you put on there?

    • @ericframe6313
      @ericframe6313 4 года назад

      TheArsenalGoonship I’m trying to decide between a ripley and Ripmo. Why do you like the reply more?

  • @Graeleaf
    @Graeleaf 5 лет назад +3

    Awesome Zebra Party shirt dude! I need to try the Ripley now!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Graeleaf's Knobby Axe thanks! Yes you do!

  • @scottcarlon6318
    @scottcarlon6318 4 года назад +1

    I’d like to hear the weight of the bikes as tested. I enjoy watching your videos and review comments.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  4 года назад +1

      Scott Carlon I just bought a scale so I will be doing that. Thanks for watching brotha!

  • @bike_somm
    @bike_somm 5 лет назад

    Those trails looked perfect for this bike, tho I can’t relate at all on how it feels compared to a Stump-Jumper with 20mm less reach & not toooo similar geo numbers with a full degree slacker HTA than the Stump-Jumper.. but i like how you made the edit and video! Loved this bike when I reviewed it also but wasn’t blown away on the chunky stuff kuz it was sooo light! I’d probably overfork it a little and have a Rocketship of a 80-90% do anything Trail Slayer!!!! Cheers man! Love the Content

  • @michaelbaldwin8391
    @michaelbaldwin8391 5 лет назад +1

    This made me sad! I love this bike. Did a demo of the Ripley, Yeti, Stumpjumper and Ripmo, went to order the Ripley and both it an the ripmo are sold out for months.... :(
    Note for anyone else who wants one, if you can find the frame in stock, Ibis will let you order the build kit afterwards.
    Regardless, off to try the available now new Hightower. :) (lots of rumours a new ripley-esk travle tall boy or blur coming out soon too for anyone else stuck with no bike)

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      Michael Baldwin the new Hightower is also back ordered. I’ve heard the new Tallboy is going to be a baby Hightower/Megatower. Maybe they will call it the Juniortower. What ever they call it if it pedals better than the Mega, Ibis is going to have some competition.

    • @michaelbaldwin8391
      @michaelbaldwin8391 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails Bugger. Thanks for the reply, keep up the good work!!

    • @Monkeyseemonkey79
      @Monkeyseemonkey79 5 лет назад

      I don't know why but Ibis seems to run into supply chain issues every year. They need to manufacture more bikes.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Mechannel this is true

  • @AOL0321
    @AOL0321 4 года назад +1

    JC,
    I have a 19’ Stumpjumper Expert Carbon(NOT the short travel)and want to upgrade(Just don’t care for the pedal bob out of saddle with the FSR) to one of the following choices:
    1. Ibis Ripley
    2. Santa Cruz Hightower
    3. Yeti SB 130
    I ride the same type of rocky, rooty technical trails that you do, here in NY( just south of West Point in the Hudson Valley)
    Which do you recommend, based on our trail types? I’m about the same height and weight as you. Love the channel!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching! If the trails your riding are like mine for sure the Ripley. It’s the best pedaling bike out of the group. If you plan on getting a little rowdier with it just put a 140 airspring and some more aggressive tires on it and it’s ready to party.

  • @willdea2750
    @willdea2750 4 года назад +1

    Nice review JC, hows the Rip stack up against the Element IYO?

  • @blambmtb6189
    @blambmtb6189 5 лет назад +1

    What I've been waiting for!! Thanks

    • @blambmtb6189
      @blambmtb6189 5 лет назад

      Still gonna wait to see what santa Cruz does with the tallboy before I make a decision

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      Brandon Lamb I would. I think it’s going to be sick

    • @blambmtb6189
      @blambmtb6189 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails quick question..Is this comfy to pedal all day on flat xc type trails. With the steap seat tube all

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Brandon Lamb oh yeah I could ride this bike all day.

  • @willbros1499
    @willbros1499 5 лет назад +4

    Nice video, and great review! Have you ridden the Ripmo? Almost everything you're using to describe the Ripley, I used to describe the Ripmo when I demo'd it. I ended up buying one, and couldn't be happier. Since then, I have ridden the Ripley, and it's literally like I got on a mini Ripmo that feels almost the same minus a little high speed stability, tech capability, and obviously you don't want to slam it into rock gardens at the same speed. But....it pedals RIDICULOUSLY well, is even more poppy than the RIpmo, and is a very fun bike to ride. For MOST riders who stick to green and blue level trails, it would be the better choice over the Ripmo, because it would make those trails come to life more on the Ripley.
    Ibis has REALLY NAILED it with the 2019 - 2020 lineup. I had never really given them much attention until I got on one the Ripmo at Outerbike 2018 in Bentonville last October, but I was blown away, and I rode just about everything there that weekend. The Ripmo haunted me, until I pulled the trigger. I would love to have a Ripley too...but I want to stay married. :-)

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Willbros I still need to try a size large Ripmo, when I rode the medium I was all squished up and couldn’t get comfortable. The Ripley is the best ST travel bike I have ever ridden. It is perfect for mellow trails.

    • @charleswilliams1922
      @charleswilliams1922 5 лет назад

      Kinda funny...I’m 5’10” and 175 too. I started on the L Ripmo, and never tried the M. No need. Like you on the Ripley L, I felt like that bike had been custom fit for me. Good stuff!

    • @A.D.D.O.C.D.T
      @A.D.D.O.C.D.T 5 лет назад

      Willbros Cheers man ,very helpful for my future purchase ,was looking at Ripmo

    • @willbros1499
      @willbros1499 5 лет назад +1

      @@A.D.D.O.C.D.T .... I feel bad about turning this channel into a conversation, but I guess that's what reviews typically bring. Both bikes are phenomenal. The Ripmo pedals so well and is nimble enough that the versatility of having the extra travel makes it a no brainer. But...in fairness, I land FAR closer to the adrenaline side, and hit bigger gap jumps, big drops, and I use the travel on almost every ride. There are a few trails around that at times I do wish I had a really light bike just to carry more speed and climb better, but it's not worth that to me for everything else I would give up. But...if you tried to compare the Orbea Oiz to EITHER the Ripley or the Ripmo on pure pedaling and climbing...there's no comparison. I took an Oiz out one day and smashed three of my PR's on pedally XC sections without even trying. So...it's all relative!

    • @willbros1499
      @willbros1499 5 лет назад

      If you're going to be doing mostly XC style riding with small jumps and drops, and you know you aren't going to venture into more gnar...then Ripley. It really ALL comes down to the style of riding you intend to do.

  • @eatnpooter1634
    @eatnpooter1634 5 лет назад +1

    When are you testing the new specialized enduro 🤷🏼‍♂️!?!

  • @PredatorDK
    @PredatorDK 4 года назад

    Thank you! The Stumpjumper ST comparison was just what I have been looking for in my Ripley/Tallboy/Stumpjumper ST research.
    Have you by any chance tried the 2020 Trek Top Fuel? Looks like a quite interesting machine as well, with just a tad less travel.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  4 года назад +1

      Never tried the top fuel, but it seems a bit more XC than the Ripley and ST.

  • @50mtb44
    @50mtb44 5 лет назад +1

    JC, cool. Glad your rode the Ripley. I had the same reaction as you when I demo'd the Ripley ... a huge smile on my face. Any other comparisions to the Stumpy ST? If you did not own the Stumpy and wanted to get a short/mid travel 29er, would you now pick the Stumpy ST or the Ripley V4?

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +2

      I would pick the Ripley over all the ST 29ers I’ve ridden. The Ripley provided the perfect balance between pedal efficiency and plushness.

    • @50mtb44
      @50mtb44 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails I feel the same after 18 demo rides (of different bikes). Funny thing is, I only rode it because the Ripmo was out. Glad I did. The Ripley is amazing (hard to describe until you throw a leg over it). Thanks for reviewing and sharing.

  • @pierre-yvesgauthier4106
    @pierre-yvesgauthier4106 5 лет назад +2

    Compare to the Trance adv 29?

  • @hotrizzle15
    @hotrizzle15 5 лет назад +5

    Can’t wait!!!! Ordered an ibis ripley last week, unfortunately its on back order until October 😢

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      hotrizzle15 it’s worth the wait!

    • @jefferywinchester5830
      @jefferywinchester5830 5 лет назад

      I was just told November for the black and December for the blue.

  • @Stickybutton
    @Stickybutton 4 года назад

    Hope you can get a ride review on the new Following as a comparison!

  • @MTBFlowRider
    @MTBFlowRider 5 лет назад +3

    Ripping on the Ripley!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      I wanna buy it and rip some more!

  • @MTBGarage
    @MTBGarage 5 лет назад +1

    That bike has 2.3/2.4's on it? When I demo'd the Ripley I think the 2.6s it came with were definitely unnecessary, I feel like a bit less tire would have played to the bikes strength! Good comparison with the stumpy, I felt the ripley bottomed a little too easy, but I'm a bit hefty ;)

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      MikeRides MTB I believe they were 2.6’s. I was rolling the tire a bit on the turns. I would put a DHF on the front and an Ardent on the back 2.3’s

    • @MTBGarage
      @MTBGarage 5 лет назад +1

      @@jctrails Agreed, although I've moved onto the Rekon 2.4 for a rear, it measure smaller than 2.4 in reality, its the same pattern as the ardent race, just taller knobs.

  • @quick217
    @quick217 4 года назад

    Thank JC for nice reviews, you are right person to do it this job ;-) I am between Ripley V4 and more XC bike like Epic Evo or Orbea OIZ TR - especialy because weight. Can you compare Epic Evo vs Ripley? Is it possible? Climbing, acceleration, descending, stability, GEO. I think everything is not about weight. And i see, you changed forks to Pike and rear shock, is it much more better? The main reason is better for jumps i think? I am 205 pounds rider it will be definitely better with pike for my weight? Thank you!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  4 года назад +1

      Thanks mikkke! With your body size I think the Ripley is going to feel super light to you. The Epic Evo is a great bike but it’s not as versatile as the Ripley. You could put a light weight wheel set and drop the travel in the fork to 120mm to have that race bike feel. Then if you decide to get a little rowdy put a 140mm travel airspring in the fork to handle some chunk. I changed the shock to Rockshox because it provides better small bump sensitivity.

  • @tomaszmichewicz7867
    @tomaszmichewicz7867 4 года назад

    Hi, great video for first. What about 130mm front travel, do you find out is just spot on, or maybe 140 would be better ? Regards

  • @dav31078
    @dav31078 4 года назад

    Are you still digging the deluxe shock? Which tune did you use for it?

  • @tomchanin7602
    @tomchanin7602 4 года назад

    Hey JC - thanks for your vids. Used to ride all your trails years ago but now Denver boy. So with your personal Ripley have you tried the 140mm Pike or just stuck to the 130mm. And is the Deluxe shock that much better than the DPS and worth the switch? Thanks for your input/thoughts.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  4 года назад +1

      Tom Chanin I have tried the 140 air shaft. It makes the bike feel a touch more capable, it stills pedals extremely well. I like the 130 better for my local XC trails thought it feels a little bit snappier. If I lived in Denver though I would definitely put the 140 shaft in. As for the deluxe shock if your looking for better small bump sensitivity the deluxe is a touch better. Not really worth buying a new shock though.

    • @tomchanin7602
      @tomchanin7602 4 года назад

      @@jctrails Thanks for your input. Really appreciate it. Used to kitesurf @ Point Judith. You'd hate it ;)

  • @rotorwind177
    @rotorwind177 5 лет назад +2

    I want to demo one. I have a Trance 29 but really like that ibis. How do you think it compares to the Trance 29? thanks!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Rotorwind the Trance 29 is a great bike but this Ripley is next level, at least for me. The pedal efficiency and sizing just work so well with my body. It’s hard to find a bike that fits you and your trails. I wouldn’t sell the Trance for this but definitely get out and demo one.

    • @rotorwind177
      @rotorwind177 5 лет назад

      JC TRAILS Thanks! I really want to demo one when I can

  • @walterkasper467
    @walterkasper467 5 лет назад +1

    Is the 429 trail close to the ibis ?
    Thanks for the great videos

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +3

      Walter Kasper the 429 is on the more trail all mountain category and the Ripley is on the XC trail category. It feels so light weight.

  • @justindiamanti1586
    @justindiamanti1586 5 лет назад

    Do you like the rip more than the st? I have the st. I didn’t have a chance to compare at nemba fest but if you were to choose one what would you choose?

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Ripley because of the fitment. It’s like a glove.

  • @miself5709
    @miself5709 5 лет назад +1

    You know Landmine Classic is coming up...might need a bike for that ;)

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Mi Self yes I do🤔

  • @zxtenn
    @zxtenn 5 лет назад

    You like XTR 12 speed ? I have a 2016 Focus Raven max SL hardtail with XTR double and thinking of buying a 2019 for the XTR 12 speed and step fork

  • @trailladymtb7700
    @trailladymtb7700 5 лет назад

    That bike is a rocket! How many bikes do you personally own? Did you keep the Fezzari?

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      Trail Lady MTB the Fezzari is gone. 😢Right now I have 2 bikes.

  • @tylerchilson5931
    @tylerchilson5931 5 лет назад

    What size did you go with for the Ripley and for the Fezzari? Both of those bikes are nice!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Tyler Chilson size large on both. I’m 5’10”

    • @tylerchilson5931
      @tylerchilson5931 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails Nice. How do you feel with those sizes compared to something like the Med HIghtower (2020)? I'm pretty much the same size as you so your expertise is appreciated!

  • @shootertg
    @shootertg 5 лет назад

    Looking at the website I don’t see a difference between the frames with the components. So I’m assuming the Ripley will feel the same with the NX build as the XTR. Have you been on the new fuel ex? Seen a bunch of those comparisons.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      shootertg the NX build Ripley is the same frame as the XTR, but the components, suspension and wheels are going to feel better than the cheaper NX build. $5k better I don’t know.

    • @shootertg
      @shootertg 5 лет назад

      That’s pretty much what I’ve asked myself. A couple pounds and some quicker shifting? I’m sure the fork would feel different

  • @eysikal
    @eysikal 5 лет назад +1

    The dirt looks perfect on those trails! I'm building up a v4 Ripley as I type this. Thanks for the video.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      I’m so jealous! Your going to love it.

    • @eysikal
      @eysikal 5 лет назад

      Yeah, I’m currently on a Ripmo and it’s an amazing bike. I had the chance to demo Ripley and it’s just plain more fun to ride on most of the trails I frequent. So I’m making the switch.
      I remember seeing your Ripmo review last year. I was surprised you weren’t stoked on that bike. It’s pretty similar to this new Ripley - just a little muted in comparison.

  • @NDemanuele1
    @NDemanuele1 5 лет назад

    I've been riding a V1 for about 4 years now. I plan to ride it probably for another year or so then get the V4. What is the most reliable setup? I'm thinking of getting it with XT and am not sure on the rims. I could just get the Ibis aluminum, I've heard they're very durable.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      Norbert Demanuele if I bought this I would do a XT build. I would prob buy some carbon hoops to lighten it up. I’ve ridden their aluminum wheels on the Ripmo and they are pretty good.

    • @NDemanuele1
      @NDemanuele1 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails I have Carbon ones on my V1. I guess I'll see what kind of deals I can get. I might wait to buy used. That's how I got my V1. Thanks!

  • @Mish913
    @Mish913 5 лет назад

    I know this is a different size bike then your Fezzari, but if this pedaled a 10 say on East Coast style trails what would you rate the Fezzari? I am really interested in a Fezzari or the Ripmo but for what yoou get the Fezzari saves a lot of cash.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Don MacDonald I would get the Fezzari because you do save a lot of money. If your riding trails like in this video I would go with the Ripley.

  • @ikharl328
    @ikharl328 5 лет назад

    How does this compare to the regular hightower

  • @azdirtlife4280
    @azdirtlife4280 5 лет назад +1

    Sounds like new bike time 😜.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      AZDirtLife 🤷‍♂️

  • @jimmtb1
    @jimmtb1 5 лет назад

    How does it compare to the SB100? I am split on these two, but only found a demo of the SB100 and dug it.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      jim weinstein the Ripley pedals just as well as the 100 but is more capable. I would personally go with the Ripley.

    • @jimmtb1
      @jimmtb1 5 лет назад

      JC TRAILS Thanks. Already have a Mojo 3. They would probably overlap too much so would need to sell the Mojo I guess. Love that bike though. First world problems for sure.

  • @havock1013
    @havock1013 5 лет назад

    Want to see a Scott Spark 120/120 review!!!!

  • @L4J20
    @L4J20 5 лет назад +3

    I haven't heard you this stoked on a bike since.....ever!?

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      I sat on the bike and felt immediately comfortable. I don’t know if the geo is just perfect for me or if the bike is just that good, but whatever it is I like it!

  • @upsidedown260
    @upsidedown260 5 лет назад

    Hi, how much is the Rise of this handlebar please ?
    Is this S35 or S28 wheelset ? What was the tires sizes please? Thx

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +2

      Upside Down 20mm rise and the rims were the 35’s with Hans Dampf 2.6 F and Nobby NiC 2.6 R

  • @byungchoi6870
    @byungchoi6870 5 лет назад

    can you review new orbea occam and compare

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      byung choi I will try to get my hands on one

  • @petertheis1695
    @petertheis1695 5 лет назад

    Dream bike!!!

  • @237311
    @237311 4 года назад

    Hows the Ripley compare with 2020 SC TB?

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  4 года назад

      R L here is a video I made comparing the 2
      ruclips.net/video/lrnmZoQ6bgk/видео.html

  • @A.D.D.O.C.D.T
    @A.D.D.O.C.D.T 5 лет назад

    2020 bikes 🚲 yew !

  • @unworktotravel4720
    @unworktotravel4720 5 лет назад

    Did you find that your weight ever wanted to overwhelm the DPS shock or fox 34? I am 185 + with pads and pack. I am strongly considering switching to the Ripley from my Ripmo, but I worry that A, heavier riders will not get the same "pop" from the DPS that lighter riders rave about, and that B, the fork will be noticibly more flexy than the 36.
    Also, great review!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks! It seem that the fork and shock handled my weight fine. I’m sure if you start doing some double black trails at speed you will overwhelm the suspension but the bike is not really designed for that kind of trail.

    • @unworktotravel4720
      @unworktotravel4720 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails Thanks for the reply, this is exactly what I was wanting to know. I am soooo close to going N+1 on this thing! haha

  • @crankbait6264
    @crankbait6264 5 лет назад

    Did specialize warranty cover you carbon stump jumper?

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      Crank Bait yup, the purple one is the new frame.

    • @LuisManuelHdez
      @LuisManuelHdez 5 лет назад

      What happened to your red speci?

  • @XCBen
    @XCBen 5 лет назад

    Awesome job bro! Way to sell the bike. I just ordered one.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      XC Ben this bike will slay the FL trails.

    • @XCBen
      @XCBen 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails straight up massacre. 😂

  • @adamdavis354
    @adamdavis354 5 лет назад

    All the buzzwords! Looks like it lives up to the hype though. Stable!

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Adam Davis it’s a single track slayer!

  • @blazerman61
    @blazerman61 5 лет назад

    What your height and inseam? This bike is sized big ..

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      blazer55 5’10” 31inseam

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      blazer55 I actually thought it was sized on the smaller size

  • @sisufitness659
    @sisufitness659 4 года назад

    What’s your inseam?

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  4 года назад +1

      Tony DiPaolo 31.5

    • @sisufitness659
      @sisufitness659 4 года назад +1

      JC TRAILS thanks so much man I’m 5’9.5 no shoes and a 33 inch inseam and a 6 foot wing span and I’m trying to decided between a large or a medium 2019 5010. 27.5 + I’m in New England it would be my do everything trail bike. Any opinions or suggestions, I would really appreciate! Appreciate your time and your content!

  • @terrymtbnurse4760
    @terrymtbnurse4760 5 лет назад +2

    So how much do you want for you Stumpjumper ? LOL. You know your getting a Ripley, LOL . Ride on man.

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад

      Terry MTBnurse haha you want to buy it?😬

    • @terrymtbnurse4760
      @terrymtbnurse4760 5 лет назад

      @@jctrails Love my Salsa Horsethief with that DW suspension. Nothing like that DW man.

  • @manuelrabelo6780
    @manuelrabelo6780 5 лет назад +5

    Of course you like it.. it's $9,200 lol

    • @jctrails
      @jctrails  5 лет назад +1

      Manuel Rabelo bling bling!

    • @zxtenn
      @zxtenn 5 лет назад

      EXPENSIVE toys, pay 9 grand new and in 2 years people want to give you 2-3 grand