It's kinda scary when Mark hallucinates, the text dialogue of when Alex and Ash are killed on the roof appears before the mission when Mark ordered the masks.
It's more because Tony's whole gag is that he can KO someone with a single punch. That would remove a lot of the shock value of the fans brutally beating the Henchman to death. He was simply too powerful.
If you read the wiki, it's explained that Tony's and the Henchman's death mirror each other. Both being surrounded with their dead allies and just wanting out of all this bs
There's a common theory that the mask Tony got is not from Jacket, but from the man wearing a similar tiger mask in the level "Tension". Also, I thought it was implied that Pardo found Alex through one of their friends, whom can be seen in the trunk of his car outside of Alex's house and later seen killed by the "Miami Mutilator".
@@doormat4386 I mean, the mask is pretty beat up; maybe it was just blasted across the room. Tony probably got his hands on the mask somehow after the fact, assumed that it was left behind by Jacket, and decided to hold onto it as if it were a comic book signed by his favorite author.
Let’s be real jacket probably wore the mask for a little bit after the original owner of Tony got blown up and was probably hidden somewhere in his house or Tony from hm2 bought it on some website because someone found the mask in Jackets house
@@ayazyigit7613 The Son is quite literally the strongest character in hm1 and 2 interms of sheer power (aside the talented Beard or experienced and capable Jacket). Having the dexterity to use two submachine guns at once, the acrobatics of Corey, the talent to use a katana (which i noticed no other character can), and strength near-equivalent to Tony. Not to mention his leadership skills to pull the mafia back together after the events of 1989 and grow them back. The Son really is one of the best among Miami.
Well, yeah. Jacket was part of an elite squad and took down a shitload of highly trained soldiers. The fans were expendables who's most notable thing they did was shooting up a shitload of druggies.
Yeah, I know, but I wanted to take Son's view into account during that sequence, and I felt it helped preserve the flow of the video. Plus, I wanted a "surprise" of Tony's survival which helped naturally transition into the Outro of the level, and his subsequent demise. I think it worked out. Lol. Thanks for watching!
foxy the pirate fox I'm not alone Tony is dead, but he wasnt killed by the Son. He escaped the son and found his friends, dead. He expects to be arrested, but gets shot by Pardo instead.
Yup, the Henchman was probably second to Beard in terms of being a "good guy". He just follows orders. The Fans show signs of being really ignorant and simple people (idolizing Jacket is one of them haha) but their recklessness through the game and their cruelty towards the Henchman just made me hate them a lot. Just my opinion of course. Funny how Jacket is way worse than them but I still love him.
Squatch Gaming Official I like to think they were still pretty young. Like maybe they were 18 during the war and were drafted due to the turn of the war. That would make them 22
Aniki I assumed a draft was put in place for the war. They could all easily be younger then 20 if that was the case, depending on how long it lasted and how late in the war they we're drafted.
Yes because a group of "kids" ( obviously you meant like around 20) would be highly trained killers being able to take down buildings of armed people alone
I think at that point, Tony was a broken man having seen all of his friends dead, I mean he sat in that room and cradled Corey in his lap. I think he didn't care, and he would have rather have been caught, although he wasn't expecting to be shot
Pardo said he attacked him, he was able to take on a bunch of people at once, just tony probably wouldnt be able to get him, still would end up the same way
What the fuck?! How have I not noticed the fans in the hawai missions?! I knew they were vets because they're in the bar of broken heroes. Great video as usual! Also the game director said the fans were supposed to represent the HM fans that wanted the second game to be exactly like the first. Also it makes sense they had to die, Jackets adventures wouldn't be as amazing if the fans could recreate it with ease, and it shows that violence isn't always the answer. The fans tried to use violence to further their own gains and I feel if they had lived it would have taken away from the overarching plot and themes. The Fans were my favourite characters in this series, I kinda felt a connection to them. It sucked to see them all die but no one lives in the end.
@@spoodurmin9742 it's never stated that the entire world was nuked, not even the whole U.S, all it shows is most protagonists who are in major cities dying, biker is never shown, probably due to the fact that he tries to stay out of cities and after the interview he probably left back to the desert. So if Hotline Miami 3 were to happen (which it won't, the series is over) and the protagonist had to be someone we already know it would be biker
@@Ouryuu-Zenokun I think Payday's Jacket is a copycat just like the fans, in the nightmare his tape says: "your name is not Jacket" and "Warning, low battery" because he isn't the true jacket and one day his identity (or battery) will end and everynoe will know the truth
I really don't understand why you only have 1,752 subs, from the videos you put on this game and how detailed these are and for how much time you spent on these videos and the games, you deserve 100k subs. great video :D
I'm very glad to here that you enjoy making these vids Squatch, and I do believe that you will get there and reach that giant milestone, i cant wait for the next vid,good luck bro :D
this is a very sad story.... I played the game but never understand untill now, this is so well explained a lot of things make sense now... omg their love for jacket lead them to death
I still find it so cool how the dialogues between the fans were all from the future and played out in the hideout in the final stage. (Also I just realized that Alex was the one with the chainsaw, all this time I thought it was the other way around!). Amazing video
Do a video about Biker! We barely know anything about him other than he is really cool looking when he wears his helmet but really stupid looking when not wearing one.
Lol. Maybe down the line, I'm finishing up a big project soon, and then my girlfriend and I are moving, so I'll be tackling some smaller topics until we get settled and I can start another big one!
Are you sure the Americans lost the war? I've heard this sentiment thrown around a lot but I've never understood it. The nuking of SF would almost certainly be followed by a strike from the US. We don't even know who struck first. Everything Beard's unit did in Hawaii left me feeling like the US won or at least that the war ended in a stalemate. I know a single unit can't determine a war, but really think about everything we saw in the Hawaii conflict and I'm not sure you can say the US lost. The Russians were clearly going through some fucked up shit on their side as well (likely caused by the plants, but that's another story). The Russian general sabotaged the power plant and killed himself, remember? Even if we're willing to believe he was JUST driven crazy and that things were going fine on the Russian side, the loss of a power plant would be a colossal loss to the Russians. Not only that, but we have to address the elephant in the room: Why are Russians leaving Russia in droves? As fucked up as shit is in the US, why are so many Russians leaving their home country to come here? Some of them are obviously spies, but that can't account for the massive number of Russians in Miami during the 1980s, or the massive amount of hate crimes being perpetrated against them. Also, there's the issue of Richter casually getting a plane ticket to Hawaii. If that was Russian territory, it would be much more difficult to smuggle yourself in than getting someone (Evan) to buy you a ticket. I'm too young to remember the Cold War, but I think any of our parents could tell us how divided the world was when the iron curtain was still up. Richter simply could not have gotten into Hawaii if it wasn't still US territory. Based on what little information we have, it's easy to assume the US won the war, some time passed, and for an unknown reason the war became nuclear. The US and Russia traded nukes on at least one set of locations, and as a result of the madness, both economies were destroyed, millions were displaced, and both nations realized continued war would be an existential threat to their safety and continued existence. So, instead of the Cold War ending like it did in real life, The U.S. decided to negotiate with the Russians and work with them, leading to the Russian American Coalition. Despite seeming like the most logical response, the people in both countries were obviously enraged by this, leading to the events of the series. I doubt anyone read this wall of text but if so, I'd really like to know what you think. I can't be the only one who doesn't think the US lost the war.
Hey, Psychotrip! You could very well be right, but without insight into Russian affairs, we can never really know for sure. Very briefly, I'll share why I believe the US lost the war. Keep in mind I'm not historian, nor a war expert; just a guy that likes video games. Lol. The presence of Soviet ground soldiers and infrastructure in Hawaii imply the US has lost ground in the Pacific, and were forced back into defending their own territory instead of attacking Russian territory. There is also the losing sentiment from the Colonel who says, "Why wouldn't I want to be Lieutenant General. Besides the fact that we're going to lost this war?" The American foot soldiers are another factor. Most of the American Military likely didn't receive the Advanced Training the Ghost Wolves did, but probably closer to the training D Company received, who had a very difficult time capturing a Soviet Stronghold which led to numerous casualties. If they had such a hard time, it's likely other units with similar training had some as well, and likely faced losing battles against the Russians. In Hawaii, these were made up by the Ghost Wolves, but after their last mission in October 1985, who was left to continue taking the Russian bases? There also had to be other theaters of war like the rest of the Pacific, and Alaska (not to mention other parts of the world), and if the soldiers in Hawaii are any indication, the American Military likely faced losing battles here as well, and probably didn't have a unit like the Ghost Wolves to make up for these loses. Losing across multiple fronts could have pushed the Americans back to the continental US where Americans would have fought tooth and nail for survival. Faced with the decision to either attempt a full scale invasion, or force a peace negotiation, the Soviets could have opted to risk a retaliation, and bend America to its will by destroying one of its cities which led to America's eventual surrender. I will say the emigration of Russians is interesting and something I've wondered about myself. My only thought is that the Russians were able to set up a puppet government or something that favored Russians and incentivized reallocating. But these are only guesses of a guy that likes to play video games! Lol.
Wow I did NOT expect such a speedy reply! Awesome, dude. I still definitely think the war ended in either a stalemate or a U.S. victory. There's too much that can't be adequately explained if the US lost. The Colonel definitely has a fatalistic view of the war, but as I mentioned in your 50 blessings video, I think fatalism is consuming The Colonel on the whole. The same fatalism that's consuming the Russian General. It's not about a genuine love or concern for their respective country. There's a nihilistic madness destroying them from within. Even if the Russians manipulated the US into letting a bunch of Russians into the US, it still begs the question of why so many Russians want to leave in the first place. Why do they want to come to an economically decimated, crime-ridden nation reeling over a nuclear strike? The rest of the world, including Russia, must be in even worse shape. It's also worth noting that the Russian Mafia (and most crime syndicates formed in communist states) has a complicated history with communism. While many of them may see themselves as patriotic, and will work with government if it suits them, the Russian Mafia began as victims of the communist party in Stalin's gulags. Civil war erupted within the Russian Mafia when some of them decided to join Stalin's army to get out of prison. On the whole, they've never had a lot of love for communism. So, considering the Russian Mafia has pretty much taken over the criminal underworld of Miami by 1989, I think one can assume that the people leaving Russia aren't so keen on its leaders. Now, you may counter by pointing out the clear aid the mafia is getting from the Soviet government, but keep in mind the Soviets were notoriously corrupt, and the post-Stalinist Russian Mafia was willing to accept help from them if it suited their needs. Like I said, the Bratva's relationship to the Soviets is complicated, but mostly negative. I'll definitely concede that the U.S. must have been losing ground in the pacific at the time of the Hawaiian war, but that doesn't mean that this remained the case. Even if it did, it doesn't mean the US hadn't gained ground on the Russians in other theaters of war. For all we know, Vietnam might be a democratic stronghold in this universe. And then there's the issue of the Russian general killing his own (non-combatant) men and committing suicide. At the very least this implies to me that there was some dark shit going on with the Russians by the end of this war. There's already a popular theory that whatever was disturbing The Colonel was also driving the Russian general insane but I won't get into that here. Regardless of the reasons, a high ranking military official, at the very least one of the top military commanders of the entire Hawaiin conflict for the Russians, has gone insane, killed his own men, killed himself, and sabotaged a massive plant that was powering the war effort. Hawaii isn't the biggest place in the world, and that power plant was likely putting in a ton of work for the Russian front. This would have been a colossal blow at the very least. So at the end of the day, I only see convincing evidence that the Russians DIDN'T win in Hawaii. Everything else feels like a crapshoot at best. At the end of the day though, you're right: we have no way of truly knowing. Thanks for reading this! I left a bunch of other rambles on your other videos, especially concerning 50 Blessings. If you get a moment, please take a look so we can discuss that too!
I didn't read the whole comment (I'm lazy) so I may have missed something. I thought it was a stalemate and the Russo-American coalition was a peace treaty forced upon America by Russia.
Other evidence showing that the US made a phyrric victory or at least achieved stalemate is that the Coalition's name is «Russo-American» not «Soviet-American», and also that at the end of the game when its mentioned the killings of America and *Russia* presidents, not the General Secretary of USSR. They're implying that by the consequences of the war the Soviet Union collapsed and de facto was succeded by the Russian federation, as it happened in real life. They also imply that by the inmediate economic consequences of the war the Soviet inner collapse accelerated and instead of being in Christmas of 1991 it was before 3 of April of 1989. And tbh Son's Soviet flags in his HQ seems more like a nostalgia-related symbols of russian patriotism (as it also happens irl) and it's not different of 50 Blessings revanchistic appealings of American patriotism and symbols. Btw the Soviet economic and politcal collapse would also explain why there are so many russians in Miami, thanks to the new world order stablishment (the Coalition) they enjoy Visa-free entry.
San Telmo The Son’s soviet flags are just nostalgia related. If you go back to his cutscenes/intros you see that the carpet in his HQ is mimicking the Russian Federation’s flag.
I love this video The sad thing is that actually we didn't see the relationship between Tony and Cory i mean look like in the end Tony is like touching Corey's head softly and probably gave up when he saw his friend/love interest death. I really would like to see that I mean Tony is my favorite Fan (His name is Tony, has the mask of a tiger...I can't stop think about Tony Montana and his love for tiger especially since i play Payday and have both Tony's Revenge mask and the Panthera Tigris which is Tony's Montana's Tiger) and is like a cool jerk not the bad type but the good and sometimes goofy one. And i LOVE IT Just like your vid Amazing Work pls don't stop
Yeah, it is a shame. I like to believe Hotline Miami is about the characters, and it's those little things that really enhance the game above others. Like with Jacket and Girlfriend in the first game: if you don't pay attention to the changes in the apartment, you won't realize that they have possibly started having a relationship, making her death more traumatizing for Jacket. Thanks a lot! I try my best and I'm glad to hear it comes across!
Nicolas Cerini I don't get why the first relationship you make between Tony and his tiger mask is Scarface and a mask in Payday 2. How do you not think of Tony the Tiger of frosted flakes?
Samuel Smith Oh no actually I'm Saying that I play Main Tony Montana with Tony's Revenge mask ITS BEAUTIFUL PD: Tony the tiger is death because the furrys killed him...
Squatch Gaming Official Don't forget the relationship between The Son and The Bodyguard(the girl with a katana killed by Jacket in HM1). She appears in Son's encounter with Richard alongside with Father and Grandfather(the people Son cared about), and you can see her broken sunglasses when choosing Bodyguard technique, hell even you have her katana at the start of the level.
Nice video! Though I don't think Tony was shot and survived, I thought the son just shot AT him and missed, which is why he retreated and hid in the room.
Yeah, I know, but I wanted to kind of keep a "surprise" of Tony's survival in there. I felt it flowed better for the video, and wanted to take the Son's view into account when explaining what happened. I guess you could almost argue that although Son didn't shoot Tony physically, he shot his spirit, and that forced Tony to give up the senseless violence he'd been pursuing, thus "killing" him in a way. But that's if you want to get metaphorical about it. Haha. Thanks for watching!
I think I read on the wiki somewhere that the Russian Drugs were derived from a purple and green plant from Hawaii... I do remember seeing those plants during the Interview segment in the Beard Segment. What do you think?
I would say the inclusion of those plants are significant since Dennaton have concept art of the "Alien Plants". I don't think it's too far of a leap of logic to assume they could possibly be the origin of the Russian Drug. Especially since the Russian Mafia seems to have a lot of ties to Hawaii.
Did anyone else notice the guy in the owl mask sitting behind the fans playing a game at 0:08? He is there sitting next to them playing the same game in hawaii at 0:40. Who could he be?
That thug got shot because he was just another vigilante looking for his fifteen minutes of fame! He'd've just been a waste of the great and handsome detective Pardo's time, and he needs all the time he can spare to hunt down the cunning and sadistic Miami Mutilator.
(3:18) "The fans don't realize that 50 Blessings were the source of the calls." That's why they have a Fifty Blessings themed table. Yep, completely oblivious.
Why The Son, though? Pardo IS kind of an ass, but with the Son, I feel it's justified. First off, he was high as hell, so he didn't even know was going on, second off, he already has bad experiences with animal mask murderers, as Jacket DID murder his father, third point, the fans brutually murdered practically his only friend, the henchman. Fourth point, I just thought he was a total badass, but hey, that's just me.
I mean it's justified for the Son but Pardo he just killed Tony for one reason and one reason only he's the Miami mutilator and he wants his killings to be noticed and it doesn't want to be overshadowed by masked vigilantes
Tony is honestly a great character as that he has the same name as the mask but also has a unique power to have strong punches It would of been better if he didn’t die
Tony was my mask in Hotline Miami, never needed another, so it was funny to me when Tony was the Fan I liked most, and I was bummed, but not surprised to see him gunned down
I know im late to the game, but i think i just watched all the hotline miami storyline videos and i never realized how deep the story is. So thank you video creator.
I think that the entity that Pardo encounters when he goes back to the crime scene could represent a family member that Pardo has lost. Love you Hotline Miami 2 vids!
Nice vid as always. Have you considered doing a vid on Richard? There may not be much to work with canonically, but there's fan theories about him all over the place.
Olivia Smith Richard is death in Hotline Miami 2 he uses jacket mask because it is a symbol death why? pigman murders because he is inspired by jacket, the fans are inspired by jacket, padre kills because he wants be more famous than jacket, son kills because of jacket ruined his family, biker met him in the desert and also biker realized who is actually the richard and his warnings scared him enough to give up fight.
Man I loved the fans.. I'm on the level where they die now, and it's sad to think someday this will be a bad dream.. There truly won't be a hotline miami 3... Or will there...
All these years later and all I wanna know is why Tony was always so suspicious? Like why did he lie to the twins about the room being empty? He said he checked so he would have seen the sewer? Was he trying to keep them from seeing something or involved? Why wasn’t he involved with the Henchman’a death? All suspicious
I don't fell like tony would betray them yes he wanted out but it doesn't fell right for his character also there's a fan theory that tony had a crush on Cory
I still wonder how Tony is able to kill everyone in one punch. And he took a shotgun blast to the stomach and walked it off. This guy is a meta human. A superhuman. To bad he was killed.
@@FranLorian Only Mark and Tony wear actual police-grade body armor-- Alex and Ash canonically wear football padding instead. This is probably why Tony and Mark can frequently survive 2-3 shots before biting it whilst playing as them, come to think of it...
Richard does not let anyone die except the people who are required for "Jacket" to grow. Beard is needed for "Jacket" to want vengeance and the girlfriend was another. The game restarts after the sad ending which means Richard does not want the crew and city to be destroyed. It even shows the destroyed city in the glimpse of HLM3 meaning Richard could have it that way if he wanted. Richard ends up getting to them and its obvious because most of the characters masks are in Payday 2 which means they are alive. (Just not playable) "Jacket" also gives up his tape recorder and people may say thats not the HLM "Jacket" in Payday but it very well is. Replay the Hotline Miami level and listen to the dialogue spoken to the crew in the motel part. There is shared dialogue between Rasmus and the Commissar and literally has the achievement "Walk Faster" which gives the Rasmus mask . . .
Payday and HM are in separate universes. They don’t affect each other’s canons. What don’t you guys understand? Jacket and everyone else died in the real HM timeline.
@@spoodurmin9742 You are ignorant and are avoiding huge details... Why were the masks added with the Jacket character pack to payday 2 if a bomb wiped everyone and everything??? (The Fans, DonJuan, Rasmus, Richard, ETC) Why does the ending of HLM2 rewind back to the main menu screen as if there is more to the story??? (Who controls the game and rewinds and fast forwards??? OH THATS RIGHT RICHARD . . . Why does payday 2 Jacket hear dialogue (from a russian) that is said directly to HLM Jacket in 1989??? Nevermind the fact his mask is named "Richard Returns" and the several lines of dialogue where Jacket references HLM or the nightmare where he is told "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE." (Referencing Jackets girlfriend from HLM1) "YOUR NAME IS NOT JACKET." (Referencing his real name and not the name he was given.)
WHI0K You’re a fucking idiot man. Payday is a SEPARATE UNIVERSE. THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN HM, HAPPENED IN PAYDAY SO THEY COULD REFERENCE IT, EXCEPT FOR THE NUKES BECAUSE THEN THERE WOULD BE NO PAYDAY UNIVERSE TOO. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? IT’S AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, YOU STUPID FUCK. IT’S NOT THAT DEEP.
My theory was that HM2 never happened in the PAYDAY universe. Jacket never turned himself in after killing the Russian leader, the war never escalated, and Jacket of course moved on from the events.
@@Whi0k your name is not jacket probably means he’s not the real jacket and just some fanboy. Also we know this jacket is fake because he can survive more than 6 bullets whilst only wearing his base jacket in payday 2 whilst I’m in hlm and I get shot twice with a suppressed pistol and insta die
I wish if Tony had a last stand shootout with the swat, it would be his first time using guns, he would use mark's 2 submachine guns and then murdered by Manny
The fans represent a type of Hotline Miami 1 fan: Mark - Fans of the gun and weapon play (Uses duel machine guns, killed by the Son after he runs out of ammo.) Corey - Fans of the 80's aesthetics (Wears a Varsity Jacket just as Jacket did) Tony - Fans who are in it for escapism (Tony is a jobless, no skill loser who's doing this for fun) Alex - Fans who love the gore and slaughter (Chainsaw wielding and love for violence) Ash - Fans who are nerdy (Ash is a tech loving know it all).
And Martin represents people who play games like this just for the cathartic sexual themes. and Jake represents people who take the racist or anti semitic views in some video games
In case you saw my comment on your video about 50 blessings, the commander can clearly be seen here at 3:47 with his parrot on his shoulder. Who the others are, I have no clue initially, but I'm sure you could do some research!
Wow. Hotline Miami is the ultimate game of show don't tell. The game tells you virtually nothing except go forth and kill but it shows you so many different levels of story going on in simple pixel art.
Can you go into more detail with Mark? I know it might be hard considering there isn’t a lot of information about him, but I consider him the “main character” because he’s the one that gets the Richard dream.
Glad to hear you enjoy these! Maybe not specifically the Hallucinations, but the if a character experiences one then I'll try to break down what I believe it means. Lol.
This gives me an idea, Tony was only shot and not killed. Pardo finds Tony, and since he is jealous of the fame of The Fans he tries to team up with Tony because he is "The Miami Mutilator." And of course Richter could be apart of this, same for The Biker.
Your content is amazing. Keep making videos, also on other games in the future. You're good at explaining and at commentating, and that incomplete quote was a really nice touch
Same people who did the HM2 digital comics. They don't actually have anything to do with any known characters, but are still set in the same universe. (I think)
I didn’t care for any of the fans besides Tony, because he was the only one who was reluctant to kill the Henchman. He saw how wrong it was and chose to stay back.
Honestly, Son was a total badass, he proved that by taking out the colombians and even robbing a bank with only a katana. He is one my favorites characters in game.
*They died as a relative nobodies*
dude
savage
Hes not *wrong*
But does he have to be right
thats true they are wannabes
That’s relatively relatable
@@xenome3883 "wannabes" *almost clears whole russian mafia building*
It's kinda scary when Mark hallucinates, the text dialogue of when Alex and Ash are killed on the roof appears before the mission when Mark ordered the masks.
One Trick Rengo Richard knows everything
Ur name used to be One Trick Rengar lol
@@maultron2051 Sherlock Holmes over here
@@arkham_miami truly the world's greatest detective.
@@UranousImpalaTrue that. I wonder if he was born with thick skin?
Has anyone else noticed that Tony was also the only one who never attended at killing the Henchman. It's as if the Son was avenging Henchman's death
Funny how the one who was only interested in the violence didn't do anything to the henchman
I guess canonically it's Tony that clears the building out since he's not present in the death of henchmen
It's more because Tony's whole gag is that he can KO someone with a single punch. That would remove a lot of the shock value of the fans brutally beating the Henchman to death. He was simply too powerful.
If you read the wiki, it's explained that Tony's and the Henchman's death mirror each other. Both being surrounded with their dead allies and just wanting out of all this bs
even though the Son didn't know Henchman was dead?
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There's a common theory that the mask Tony got is not from Jacket, but from the man wearing a similar tiger mask in the level "Tension". Also, I thought it was implied that Pardo found Alex through one of their friends, whom can be seen in the trunk of his car outside of Alex's house and later seen killed by the "Miami Mutilator".
I'm a little late, but I have to add that the victim in Pardo's car looks like the friend from the chop shop the henchman raids.
@@thisusernamesucks7404 never realized he coulda been Andy, Jesus christ thats dark
Doesn't he fking explode though? Seems pretty difficult to rcover a mask from that
@@doormat4386 I mean, the mask is pretty beat up; maybe it was just blasted across the room. Tony probably got his hands on the mask somehow after the fact, assumed that it was left behind by Jacket, and decided to hold onto it as if it were a comic book signed by his favorite author.
Let’s be real jacket probably wore the mask for a little bit after the original owner of Tony got blown up and was probably hidden somewhere in his house or Tony from hm2 bought it on some website because someone found the mask in Jackets house
well technically they did kinda succeed, son walked off the roof on his drug infused rampage and plunged to his death
the fans couldnt defeat the boss fight (Son).
Assisted suicide
only Son could’ve defeated Son that night
@@PeptoAbismol Son was kind of a legend ngl. even better than all of the fans
@@ayazyigit7613 The Son is quite literally the strongest character in hm1 and 2 interms of sheer power (aside the talented Beard or experienced and capable Jacket). Having the dexterity to use two submachine guns at once, the acrobatics of Corey, the talent to use a katana (which i noticed no other character can), and strength near-equivalent to Tony. Not to mention his leadership skills to pull the mafia back together after the events of 1989 and grow them back.
The Son really is one of the best among Miami.
The fans failed because they were amateur. Jacket had superior training and experience.
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that Mediocrity can pay to Greatness."
Well, yeah. Jacket was part of an elite squad and took down a shitload of highly trained soldiers.
The fans were expendables who's most notable thing they did was shooting up a shitload of druggies.
nope they failed cuz the son is the strongest motherfucker to ever exist
@@catpurrito5586 ...next to Jacket.
They were actually part of the army
The division that failed to capture the fort where Beard shined and captured it.
Btw Tony was never hit because there was no body and the only blood on him is on his mask
True badass
Yeah, I know, but I wanted to take Son's view into account during that sequence, and I felt it helped preserve the flow of the video. Plus, I wanted a "surprise" of Tony's survival which helped naturally transition into the Outro of the level, and his subsequent demise.
I think it worked out. Lol.
Thanks for watching!
Truly amazing video! I'll probably have to watch all of your other videos too :D
Redd Kraken please try to explain things better.
so wait tony ain’t dead
foxy the pirate fox I'm not alone Tony is dead, but he wasnt killed by the Son. He escaped the son and found his friends, dead.
He expects to be arrested, but gets shot by Pardo instead.
i was sad when the fans died
What about the Henchman? That was a heart wrenching scene for me.
Squatch Gaming Official I don't know between the henchman or the fans what I suffer more
i2eKE henchman was lame and dumb fans were cool
Yup, the Henchman was probably second to Beard in terms of being a "good guy". He just follows orders. The Fans show signs of being really ignorant and simple people (idolizing Jacket is one of them haha) but their recklessness through the game and their cruelty towards the Henchman just made me hate them a lot. Just my opinion of course. Funny how Jacket is way worse than them but I still love him.
Eh, I'd be ignorant, cruel and violently stompy towards anybody who nuked San Francisco too. Just sayin'.
honestly . . . I thought the fans were kids
Yeah, I was surprised to learn that too! Lol.
yes me too like tony was the oldest
Squatch Gaming Official I like to think they were still pretty young. Like maybe they were 18 during the war and were drafted due to the turn of the war. That would make them 22
Aniki I assumed a draft was put in place for the war. They could all easily be younger then 20 if that was the case, depending on how long it lasted and how late in the war they we're drafted.
Yes because a group of "kids" ( obviously you meant like around 20) would be highly trained killers being able to take down buildings of armed
people alone
I wish Tony punched Pardo in the face in that room
He thought it was just police mockery. I was shocked that he got shot too.
Pardo would have shot him before Tony had the chance to punch him.
I think at that point, Tony was a broken man having seen all of his friends dead, I mean he sat in that room and cradled Corey in his lap. I think he didn't care, and he would have rather have been caught, although he wasn't expecting to be shot
*cough* Thicc skin
Pardo said he attacked him, he was able to take on a bunch of people at once, just tony probably wouldnt be able to get him, still would end up the same way
What the fuck?! How have I not noticed the fans in the hawai missions?! I knew they were vets because they're in the bar of broken heroes.
Great video as usual!
Also the game director said the fans were supposed to represent the HM fans that wanted the second game to be exactly like the first.
Also it makes sense they had to die, Jackets adventures wouldn't be as amazing if the fans could recreate it with ease, and it shows that violence isn't always the answer. The fans tried to use violence to further their own gains and I feel if they had lived it would have taken away from the overarching plot and themes.
The Fans were my favourite characters in this series, I kinda felt a connection to them. It sucked to see them all die but no one lives in the end.
Haha. They're easy to miss! Just like a lot in the games!
Thank you very much!
Ooo... The Parallels there! I like that!
Fizalex when you noytice this is like
*sound of mind blwoing*
@Gr8Sc0tt I don't think she's a hooker, more like kidnapped or trafficked
@@SquatchGamingChannel They were also seen outside the courthouse protesting Jacket's trial.
Guys, if tony was alive and transfered to a prison really far from miami, maybe hotline miami 3 would exist. Damnit.
Yeah Tony was the only "not needed" death .
The entire world got nuked dipshit
@@spoodurmin9742 you sure as hell ain't the friendly neighborhood spider man
@@bgheseger6937 Correct
@@spoodurmin9742 it's never stated that the entire world was nuked, not even the whole U.S, all it shows is most protagonists who are in major cities dying, biker is never shown, probably due to the fact that he tries to stay out of cities and after the interview he probably left back to the desert.
So if Hotline Miami 3 were to happen (which it won't, the series is over) and the protagonist had to be someone we already know it would be biker
3:40 "they kill everyone inside! then they get pizza :3"
love that tone change between sentences
RIp fans. They were easily the best characters
They were pretty cool. I think Tony's my favorite.
Alex and Ash were my favorites
Squatch Gaming Official i like alex & ash the most
Mason Thornburgh ALL HAIL GOD TONY
he was the coolest :c
i mean, you just go all out and kill everyone WITH YOUR FISTS
They were my least favourite. Bunch of nobodies. Beard or Richter was the best
Pardo: *shoots Tony*
*This is America*
This is Miami
@@ntaentae6264 got the thick skin now
Does Jacket know that the fans exist ?
probably not, since he was in the prison.
Wave Skrub Nah he like soulless man after he killed father
Pls tell me were you found that red eyed Richard art
@@Ouryuu-Zenokun
I think Payday's Jacket is a copycat just like the fans, in the nightmare his tape says: "your name is not Jacket" and "Warning, low battery" because he isn't the true jacket and one day his identity (or battery) will end and everynoe will know the truth
@@arealhumanbean3058 his name is not Jacket, that's just a nickname if i am right
I really don't understand why you only have 1,752 subs, from the videos you put on this game and how detailed these are and for how much time you spent on these videos and the games, you deserve 100k subs. great video :D
We all gotta start somewhere! Haha. Maybe I'll get there someday, but for now, I'm just enjoying my time making these! Thanks for watching!
it's because the people who put girl's asses in thumbnails get the less deserving views
I'm very glad to here that you enjoy making these vids Squatch, and I do believe that you will get there and reach that giant milestone, i cant wait for the next vid,good luck bro :D
Aw, shoot! I just saw this comment! Lol.
Thanks for the support, Nicholas!
No problem man :D, and btw since this video I have gone by and bought hotline Miami 2 and I so to say right now I'm having a blast!
That was Jack's sister? The way she says "my brother..?" makes me almost think she was just a random girl in the building.
Please make more of these. They're fucking great and so informative. Keep it up
I'll do my best! Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed! :)
this is a very sad story.... I played the game but never understand untill now, this is so well explained a lot of things make sense now... omg their love for jacket lead them to death
well said
I still find it so cool how the dialogues between the fans were all from the future and played out in the hideout in the final stage. (Also I just realized that Alex was the one with the chainsaw, all this time I thought it was the other way around!). Amazing video
Do a video about Biker! We barely know anything about him other than he is really cool looking when he wears his helmet but really stupid looking when not wearing one.
Lol. Maybe down the line, I'm finishing up a big project soon, and then my girlfriend and I are moving, so I'll be tackling some smaller topics until we get settled and I can start another big one!
Are you sure the Americans lost the war? I've heard this sentiment thrown around a lot but I've never understood it. The nuking of SF would almost certainly be followed by a strike from the US. We don't even know who struck first.
Everything Beard's unit did in Hawaii left me feeling like the US won or at least that the war ended in a stalemate. I know a single unit can't determine a war, but really think about everything we saw in the Hawaii conflict and I'm not sure you can say the US lost.
The Russians were clearly going through some fucked up shit on their side as well (likely caused by the plants, but that's another story). The Russian general sabotaged the power plant and killed himself, remember? Even if we're willing to believe he was JUST driven crazy and that things were going fine on the Russian side, the loss of a power plant would be a colossal loss to the Russians.
Not only that, but we have to address the elephant in the room: Why are Russians leaving Russia in droves? As fucked up as shit is in the US, why are so many Russians leaving their home country to come here? Some of them are obviously spies, but that can't account for the massive number of Russians in Miami during the 1980s, or the massive amount of hate crimes being perpetrated against them.
Also, there's the issue of Richter casually getting a plane ticket to Hawaii. If that was Russian territory, it would be much more difficult to smuggle yourself in than getting someone (Evan) to buy you a ticket. I'm too young to remember the Cold War, but I think any of our parents could tell us how divided the world was when the iron curtain was still up. Richter simply could not have gotten into Hawaii if it wasn't still US territory.
Based on what little information we have, it's easy to assume the US won the war, some time passed, and for an unknown reason the war became nuclear. The US and Russia traded nukes on at least one set of locations, and as a result of the madness, both economies were destroyed, millions were displaced, and both nations realized continued war would be an existential threat to their safety and continued existence. So, instead of the Cold War ending like it did in real life, The U.S. decided to negotiate with the Russians and work with them, leading to the Russian American Coalition. Despite seeming like the most logical response, the people in both countries were obviously enraged by this, leading to the events of the series.
I doubt anyone read this wall of text but if so, I'd really like to know what you think. I can't be the only one who doesn't think the US lost the war.
Hey, Psychotrip! You could very well be right, but without insight into Russian affairs, we can never really know for sure. Very briefly, I'll share why I believe the US lost the war. Keep in mind I'm not historian, nor a war expert; just a guy that likes video games. Lol.
The presence of Soviet ground soldiers and infrastructure in Hawaii imply the US has lost ground in the Pacific, and were forced back into defending their own territory instead of attacking Russian territory. There is also the losing sentiment from the Colonel who says, "Why wouldn't I want to be Lieutenant General. Besides the fact that we're going to lost this war?"
The American foot soldiers are another factor. Most of the American Military likely didn't receive the Advanced Training the Ghost Wolves did, but probably closer to the training D Company received, who had a very difficult time capturing a Soviet Stronghold which led to numerous casualties. If they had such a hard time, it's likely other units with similar training had some as well, and likely faced losing battles against the Russians. In Hawaii, these were made up by the Ghost Wolves, but after their last mission in October 1985, who was left to continue taking the Russian bases?
There also had to be other theaters of war like the rest of the Pacific, and Alaska (not to mention other parts of the world), and if the soldiers in Hawaii are any indication, the American Military likely faced losing battles here as well, and probably didn't have a unit like the Ghost Wolves to make up for these loses. Losing across multiple fronts could have pushed the Americans back to the continental US where Americans would have fought tooth and nail for survival. Faced with the decision to either attempt a full scale invasion, or force a peace negotiation, the Soviets could have opted to risk a retaliation, and bend America to its will by destroying one of its cities which led to America's eventual surrender.
I will say the emigration of Russians is interesting and something I've wondered about myself. My only thought is that the Russians were able to set up a puppet government or something that favored Russians and incentivized reallocating. But these are only guesses of a guy that likes to play video games! Lol.
Wow I did NOT expect such a speedy reply! Awesome, dude.
I still definitely think the war ended in either a stalemate or a U.S. victory. There's too much that can't be adequately explained if the US lost.
The Colonel definitely has a fatalistic view of the war, but as I mentioned in your 50 blessings video, I think fatalism is consuming The Colonel on the whole. The same fatalism that's consuming the Russian General. It's not about a genuine love or concern for their respective country. There's a nihilistic madness destroying them from within.
Even if the Russians manipulated the US into letting a bunch of Russians into the US, it still begs the question of why so many Russians want to leave in the first place. Why do they want to come to an economically decimated, crime-ridden nation reeling over a nuclear strike? The rest of the world, including Russia, must be in even worse shape.
It's also worth noting that the Russian Mafia (and most crime syndicates formed in communist states) has a complicated history with communism. While many of them may see themselves as patriotic, and will work with government if it suits them, the Russian Mafia began as victims of the communist party in Stalin's gulags. Civil war erupted within the Russian Mafia when some of them decided to join Stalin's army to get out of prison. On the whole, they've never had a lot of love for communism. So, considering the Russian Mafia has pretty much taken over the criminal underworld of Miami by 1989, I think one can assume that the people leaving Russia aren't so keen on its leaders. Now, you may counter by pointing out the clear aid the mafia is getting from the Soviet government, but keep in mind the Soviets were notoriously corrupt, and the post-Stalinist Russian Mafia was willing to accept help from them if it suited their needs. Like I said, the Bratva's relationship to the Soviets is complicated, but mostly negative.
I'll definitely concede that the U.S. must have been losing ground in the pacific at the time of the Hawaiian war, but that doesn't mean that this remained the case. Even if it did, it doesn't mean the US hadn't gained ground on the Russians in other theaters of war. For all we know, Vietnam might be a democratic stronghold in this universe.
And then there's the issue of the Russian general killing his own (non-combatant) men and committing suicide. At the very least this implies to me that there was some dark shit going on with the Russians by the end of this war. There's already a popular theory that whatever was disturbing The Colonel was also driving the Russian general insane but I won't get into that here.
Regardless of the reasons, a high ranking military official, at the very least one of the top military commanders of the entire Hawaiin conflict for the Russians, has gone insane, killed his own men, killed himself, and sabotaged a massive plant that was powering the war effort. Hawaii isn't the biggest place in the world, and that power plant was likely putting in a ton of work for the Russian front. This would have been a colossal blow at the very least.
So at the end of the day, I only see convincing evidence that the Russians DIDN'T win in Hawaii. Everything else feels like a crapshoot at best. At the end of the day though, you're right: we have no way of truly knowing.
Thanks for reading this! I left a bunch of other rambles on your other videos, especially concerning 50 Blessings. If you get a moment, please take a look so we can discuss that too!
I didn't read the whole comment (I'm lazy) so I may have missed something. I thought it was a stalemate and the Russo-American coalition was a peace treaty forced upon America by Russia.
Other evidence showing that the US made a phyrric victory or at least achieved stalemate is that the Coalition's name is «Russo-American» not «Soviet-American», and also that at the end of the game when its mentioned the killings of America and *Russia* presidents, not the General Secretary of USSR. They're implying that by the consequences of the war the Soviet Union collapsed and de facto was succeded by the Russian federation, as it happened in real life. They also imply that by the inmediate economic consequences of the war the Soviet inner collapse accelerated and instead of being in Christmas of 1991 it was before 3 of April of 1989. And tbh Son's Soviet flags in his HQ seems more like a nostalgia-related symbols of russian patriotism (as it also happens irl) and it's not different of 50 Blessings revanchistic appealings of American patriotism and symbols.
Btw the Soviet economic and politcal collapse would also explain why there are so many russians in Miami, thanks to the new world order stablishment (the Coalition) they enjoy Visa-free entry.
San Telmo The Son’s soviet flags are just nostalgia related. If you go back to his cutscenes/intros you see that the carpet in his HQ is mimicking the Russian Federation’s flag.
jacket is a badass he almost single handedly destroyed russian mafia and hes my favourite character in payday 2
*_Do you know what time it is?_*
I love this video
The sad thing is that actually we didn't see the relationship between Tony and Cory i mean look like in the end Tony is like touching Corey's head softly and probably gave up when he saw his friend/love interest death.
I really would like to see that I mean Tony is my favorite Fan (His name is Tony, has the mask of a tiger...I can't stop think about Tony Montana and his love for tiger especially since i play Payday and have both Tony's Revenge mask and the Panthera Tigris which is Tony's Montana's Tiger) and is like a cool jerk not the bad type but the good and sometimes goofy one.
And i LOVE IT
Just like your vid
Amazing Work pls don't stop
Yeah, it is a shame. I like to believe Hotline Miami is about the characters, and it's those little things that really enhance the game above others. Like with Jacket and Girlfriend in the first game: if you don't pay attention to the changes in the apartment, you won't realize that they have possibly started having a relationship, making her death more traumatizing for Jacket.
Thanks a lot! I try my best and I'm glad to hear it comes across!
Nicolas Cerini I don't get why the first relationship you make between Tony and his tiger mask is Scarface and a mask in Payday 2. How do you not think of Tony the Tiger of frosted flakes?
Samuel Smith Oh no actually I'm Saying that I play Main Tony Montana with Tony's Revenge mask
ITS BEAUTIFUL
PD: Tony the tiger is death because the furrys killed him...
Squatch Gaming Official
Don't forget the relationship between The Son and The Bodyguard(the girl with a katana killed by Jacket in HM1). She appears in Son's encounter with Richard alongside with Father and Grandfather(the people Son cared about), and you can see her broken sunglasses when choosing Bodyguard technique, hell even you have her katana at the start of the level.
Gun Metal Grey I thought it was because she was like is mother or something like that
Nice video! Though I don't think Tony was shot and survived, I thought the son just shot AT him and missed, which is why he retreated and hid in the room.
Yeah, I know, but I wanted to kind of keep a "surprise" of Tony's survival in there. I felt it flowed better for the video, and wanted to take the Son's view into account when explaining what happened.
I guess you could almost argue that although Son didn't shoot Tony physically, he shot his spirit, and that forced Tony to give up the senseless violence he'd been pursuing, thus "killing" him in a way. But that's if you want to get metaphorical about it. Haha.
Thanks for watching!
I think I read on the wiki somewhere that the Russian Drugs were derived from a purple and green plant from Hawaii... I do remember seeing those plants during the Interview segment in the Beard Segment. What do you think?
I have never heard that, so I can't honestly say. Gimme some time, I'll look it up! Lol.
I would say the inclusion of those plants are significant since Dennaton have concept art of the "Alien Plants". I don't think it's too far of a leap of logic to assume they could possibly be the origin of the Russian Drug. Especially since the Russian Mafia seems to have a lot of ties to Hawaii.
Well then, I didn't know they were called THAT... I guess The Son was off his fucking balls on Alien Drugs then... Amazing.
That's what the Game Files refer to them as. Lol. Yeah, he was goin crazy. Haha.
@@SquatchGamingChannel ayo, what if that's the same shit the colonel was on during his insane rant
Did anyone else notice the guy in the owl mask sitting behind the fans playing a game at 0:08?
He is there sitting next to them playing the same game in hawaii at 0:40.
Who could he be?
He would be Rasmus, the owl mask in hm1
Hey well seen
Yo broseph Ik this is one year late but in the bar in Hawaii he is also seen there playing a game so it's most likely the same person, whoever it is.
@@qwertygaming9387 Ik this is another year late but he could've just be a random extra to fill in that place
@@ntaentae6264 I know I'm half a year late but the same guy, playing the same game, both times, really doesn't feels like a coincidence
hamburgers OUUUUUGH
you know what happens to thugs like you?
On days like these, thugs like you should be burning in hell
Fame for himself, which is the only reason Pardo would do what he does, besides insanity.
That thug got shot because he was just another vigilante looking for his fifteen minutes of fame! He'd've just been a waste of the great and handsome detective Pardo's time, and he needs all the time he can spare to hunt down the cunning and sadistic Miami Mutilator.
Tortured Victim nah he killed him so that the Miami mutilator which was him so could get more attention which is because he craves attention
i cry everytime i finish the final level ;(
It is an emotional experience, isn't it? :(
Rip fans
@@SquatchGamingChannel yea when my brother told me that they die i was like:*WAT WAT WOT WTFH?!??!!!?*
Honestly after seeing how brutally they murdered the henchmen for no reason, I was glad when they died.
@@goblin941
I mean...
When the fans all died I kid you not I cried. Although they weren’t around for long they were still my favourite characters
(3:18) "The fans don't realize that 50 Blessings were the source of the calls."
That's why they have a Fifty Blessings themed table. Yep, completely oblivious.
What if they saw that symbol on the places that Jacket attacked and thought that that was his signature?
Krosez
That would be a *really* cool bit of lore.
Tony gets shot right where the bloody hole in his mask was.
Hearing about the fans and their respective end, the most you can imagine how badass Jacket (and btw, The hole Payday crew) really is.
"Imitation is suicide" -Ralph Waldo Emerson
i forget the fans are veterans, i always think of them as edgy teenagers
This is why I love these games. Such a complex story but once you get it, it makes for an amazing story.
I honestly hate The Son and Pardo for this.
Me 2 ;c
Why The Son, though? Pardo IS kind of an ass, but with the Son, I feel it's justified. First off, he was high as hell, so he didn't even know was going on, second off, he already has bad experiences with animal mask murderers, as Jacket DID murder his father, third point, the fans brutually murdered practically his only friend, the henchman. Fourth point, I just thought he was a total badass, but hey, that's just me.
I mean it's justified for the Son but Pardo he just killed Tony for one reason and one reason only he's the Miami mutilator and he wants his killings to be noticed and it doesn't want to be overshadowed by masked vigilantes
The Son and Pardo are the best characters you maniac
I like The Son but i hate pardo.
Tony is honestly a great character as that he has the same name as the mask but also has a unique power to have strong punches It would of been better if he didn’t die
U do realise he wears knuckledusters
Tony was my mask in Hotline Miami, never needed another, so it was funny to me when Tony was the Fan I liked most, and I was bummed, but not surprised to see him gunned down
The mission stronghold gave me ptld: post tough level disorder
Haha. Yeah, that's a toughie. I'd say my least favorite level is Release. Blech.
I know im late to the game, but i think i just watched all the hotline miami storyline videos and i never realized how deep the story is. So thank you video creator.
Holy shit.
Andy, the friend who ordered the hit on The Henchman is the same guy the Henchman left alive in the fucking pawnshop!
;)
Rest in Peace "The Fans" and "Jacket" They are "Legend" I loves them.
I think that the entity that Pardo encounters when he goes back to the crime scene could represent a family member that Pardo has lost. Love you Hotline Miami 2 vids!
That could be a possibility!
Thank you!
Nice vid as always. Have you considered doing a vid on Richard? There may not be much to work with canonically, but there's fan theories about him all over the place.
Oh, yes, I have. I'm saving Richard for last. I have something special planned for his video.
Squatch Gaming Official nice I wonder what you're gonna say about him
Olivia Smith Richard is death in Hotline Miami 2 he uses jacket mask because it is a symbol death why? pigman murders because he is inspired by jacket, the fans are inspired by jacket, padre kills because he wants be more famous than jacket, son kills because of jacket ruined his family, biker met him in the desert and also biker realized who is actually the richard and his warnings scared him enough to give up fight.
You got it :D
Tony is my fav from the fans. He was so invincible to play as!
Man I loved the fans.. I'm on the level where they die now, and it's sad to think someday this will be a bad dream..
There truly won't be a hotline miami 3...
Or will there...
*GOTTA GET A GRIP*
Holy hell I never noticed those guys in the bar in Hawaii were the same people as the Fans.
All these years later and all I wanna know is why Tony was always so suspicious? Like why did he lie to the twins about the room being empty? He said he checked so he would have seen the sewer? Was he trying to keep them from seeing something or involved? Why wasn’t he involved with the Henchman’a death? All suspicious
Now that you mention it really is pretty weird. Huh.
I don't fell like tony would betray them yes he wanted out but it doesn't fell right for his character also there's a fan theory that tony had a crush on Cory
I still wonder how Tony is able to kill everyone in one punch. And he took a shotgun blast to the stomach and walked it off. This guy is a meta human. A superhuman. To bad he was killed.
LORD OF THE MEMES he has body armor, all of them except for cory wear body armor
and not only he's very strong but he also has brass knuckles
Light Velox he doesn't have brass knuckles, The Son has.
@@Ouryuu-Zenokun I think that he is talking about the Digital Comics. There, he does have Brass Knuckles.
@@FranLorian Only Mark and Tony wear actual police-grade body armor-- Alex and Ash canonically wear football padding instead. This is probably why Tony and Mark can frequently survive 2-3 shots before biting it whilst playing as them, come to think of it...
i love you so much for this
Lol. Thanks for watching! I hope you enjoyed!
hell yeah i did
8:06 I cannot talk enough about how much I love the way the beat syncs up with the swan transition.
Richard does not let anyone die except the people who are required for "Jacket" to grow. Beard is needed for "Jacket" to want vengeance and the girlfriend was another. The game restarts after the sad ending which means Richard does not want the crew and city to be destroyed. It even shows the destroyed city in the glimpse of HLM3 meaning Richard could have it that way if he wanted. Richard ends up getting to them and its obvious because most of the characters masks are in Payday 2 which means they are alive. (Just not playable) "Jacket" also gives up his tape recorder and people may say thats not the HLM "Jacket" in Payday but it very well is. Replay the Hotline Miami level and listen to the dialogue spoken to the crew in the motel part. There is shared dialogue between Rasmus and the Commissar and literally has the achievement "Walk Faster" which gives the Rasmus mask . . .
Payday and HM are in separate universes. They don’t affect each other’s canons. What don’t you guys understand? Jacket and everyone else died in the real HM timeline.
@@spoodurmin9742 You are ignorant and are avoiding huge details... Why were the masks added with the Jacket character pack to payday 2 if a bomb wiped everyone and everything??? (The Fans, DonJuan, Rasmus, Richard, ETC) Why does the ending of HLM2 rewind back to the main menu screen as if there is more to the story??? (Who controls the game and rewinds and fast forwards??? OH THATS RIGHT RICHARD . . . Why does payday 2 Jacket hear dialogue (from a russian) that is said directly to HLM Jacket in 1989??? Nevermind the fact his mask is named "Richard Returns" and the several lines of dialogue where Jacket references HLM or the nightmare where he is told "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE." (Referencing Jackets girlfriend from HLM1) "YOUR NAME IS NOT JACKET." (Referencing his real name and not the name he was given.)
WHI0K You’re a fucking idiot man. Payday is a SEPARATE UNIVERSE. THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN HM, HAPPENED IN PAYDAY SO THEY COULD REFERENCE IT, EXCEPT FOR THE NUKES BECAUSE THEN THERE WOULD BE NO PAYDAY UNIVERSE TOO. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? IT’S AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, YOU STUPID FUCK. IT’S NOT THAT DEEP.
My theory was that HM2 never happened in the PAYDAY universe. Jacket never turned himself in after killing the Russian leader, the war never escalated, and Jacket of course moved on from the events.
@@Whi0k your name is not jacket probably means he’s not the real jacket and just some fanboy. Also we know this jacket is fake because he can survive more than 6 bullets whilst only wearing his base jacket in payday 2 whilst I’m in hlm and I get shot twice with a suppressed pistol and insta die
Finally played the game, this is the perfect vid describing the character’s backstories and neat details!!
I felt sad when they died, got attached to them. But their death was necessary in order for the message to spread
Every of your hotline miami videos are so well explained, its easy to understand and fun to watch
Thank you! I work hard on them, and I'm glad to hear you enjoy!
It still bums me out the fact they died
A detail i like is that Tony the only one to survive was the only one who wasn’t completely caught off guard as stated in his phone call
I think I know why Tony survived.
When he got shot by the shotgun from son, the vest probably protected him and stunned him on the ground.
But then his skull gets shattered by Pardo’s trusty revolver
For some reason Tony always kinda reminded me of Ajax from The Warriors. I always read his dialogue in Ajax's voice in my head lol.
I wish if Tony had a last stand shootout with the swat, it would be his first time using guns, he would use mark's 2 submachine guns and then murdered by Manny
I just noticed the fans the table has a symbol for the 50 blessings on it that's actually interesting I never noticed it till now
uuummm actually it wasn't Oscar Wilde who said that at 0:03, it's actually Dwight from the Office so...
are you fucking high? it's Oscar Wilde who said it.
"At the end, nothing matters"
-Richard.
Why do i feel bad for fans :c
Cause they were to kool ;c and also they had good intentions
Quoc Hung Tran What good intentions? They murdered dozens of people because they wanted attention and fame.
@@goblin941 Dozens of criminals*
They had not good intentions but I still feel bad for tem
dude, I really like your videos they're intresting an well narrated. kerp up the good work
Thanks a lot! I work on hard on them, and I'm glad it shows!
Thanks for watching!
The fans represent a type of Hotline Miami 1 fan:
Mark - Fans of the gun and weapon play (Uses duel machine guns, killed by the Son after he runs out of ammo.)
Corey - Fans of the 80's aesthetics (Wears a Varsity Jacket just as Jacket did)
Tony - Fans who are in it for escapism (Tony is a jobless, no skill loser who's doing this for fun)
Alex - Fans who love the gore and slaughter (Chainsaw wielding and love for violence)
Ash - Fans who are nerdy (Ash is a tech loving know it all).
omg now Tony feels more relatable
And Martin represents people who play games like this just for the cathartic sexual themes.
and Jake represents people who take the racist or anti semitic views in some video games
Very well done video! Hope you don't stop doing hotline Miami video, there is still lots that can talk about
I don't plan on it! Well, until I run out of things to talk about that is. Lol.
Thanks for watching!
Tony: team report i m afk
Pardo: lets get you banned
"D company were not as well trained as the ghost wolves spec unit"
Meanwhile tony : ONE SHOTS EVERYTHING...
The fans in their attempt to be equal to Jacket. They end up falling like Jacket.
Jacket died by something he couldn't control the fans just weren't as bad ass as him
At least Jacket is cooler and he died by something he couldn’t control, unlike the fans.
Your videos are sooo well done Im watching them all.
honestly hotline maimi had the best story ever and it an amazing gameplay
Always pleased with your hotline Miami videos,keep up the great work.
Glad to hear you enjoyed! Thanks a lot!
In case you saw my comment on your video about 50 blessings, the commander can clearly be seen here at 3:47 with his parrot on his shoulder. Who the others are, I have no clue initially, but I'm sure you could do some research!
Wow. Hotline Miami is the ultimate game of show don't tell. The game tells you virtually nothing except go forth and kill but it shows you so many different levels of story going on in simple pixel art.
Can you go into more detail with Mark? I know it might be hard considering there isn’t a lot of information about him, but I consider him the “main character” because he’s the one that gets the Richard dream.
Wow holy shit.
These videos are actually incredibly done!
Absolutely amazing job man! :D
I always thought his "laugh" was more of sigh, while he closed his eyes and attempted to "get a grip"
Dude, this explanation was amazing! I really enjoyed the video and I'm hoping to see more!
Thank you very much! Glad to hear you enjoyed! I'm hoping to have another one up in a few days!
Finally HM lore videos that make sense. Will you be doing videos on the hallucinations some characters have, richter and jacket?
Glad to hear you enjoy these!
Maybe not specifically the Hallucinations, but the if a character experiences one then I'll try to break down what I believe it means. Lol.
Yeah I actually already read about the characters (was a bit rusty about the lore) and the hallucinations are the only thing I don´t understand
I won't say it's a definite thing, but we'll see where the future take us!
Hey squash just wanted to say your videos are amazing, keep up the good work man!
Hey, thanks a lot! I'll do my best!
Thanks for watching!
This gives me an idea, Tony was only shot and not killed. Pardo finds Tony, and since he is jealous of the fame of The Fans he tries to team up with Tony because he is "The Miami Mutilator." And of course Richter could be apart of this, same for The Biker.
Wait is tony still alive that would be awsome :D
Your content is amazing. Keep making videos, also on other games in the future. You're good at explaining and at commentating, and that incomplete quote was a really nice touch
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed! Yeah, when I find out the full quote, it perfectly tied everything together for me!
Then they will join Jacket at the Payday universe
Those fans were actually total badasses. Taking out multiple gangsters and people like that.
Did you ever consider making a video about Hotline Miami Wildlife? Its a comic based on the game.
I've actually never heard of that. Is it made by the Developers, or someone else?
Same people who did the HM2 digital comics. They don't actually have anything to do with any known characters, but are still set in the same universe. (I think)
I'll look into them!
squatch: an unintended consequence
(PC CRASHES)
me: i found it!
the most intense stans
Your Hotline Miami videos dude, I love them
Wait jacket was in the miltary
Hong KoNg yeah
I didn’t care for any of the fans besides Tony, because he was the only one who was reluctant to kill the Henchman. He saw how wrong it was and chose to stay back.
And this is why everyone hates Pardo and Son. But that being said I liked more hm1 Russian gang leader for some reason
Yeah, killing favorite characters will do that. Lol. You like Father more than Son?
Honestly, Son was a total badass, he proved that by taking out the colombians and even robbing a bank with only a katana. He is one my favorites characters in game.
Rafael Martins well to be fair he had help while robbing the bank
@@minaajoku1169 Good point. But remember that they raided the bank with no armor, only suits.
Son is the most badass character in the whole game
the son really killed his own company, while high asf, killed the fans, and finally took himself down. he was the only one who could kill him.
The ultimate clout chasers
the total irony of the fans is that they had to purchase animal masks while jacket was sent a mask with a mission attached.
Press like if you thought the Fans were a bunch of teenagers