What makes a track suitable for Formula 1?
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The FIA has a list of rules about what it allows from it's internationally rated circuits. Just what IS allowed if you want to host an F1 race at your track?
(this is a reupload from 20 minutes earlier where I accidentally included 30 seconds of meditative silence in the middle)
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Why do you get to be special on the F1 calendar?
Monaco: I'm traditional.
Spa: I'm legendary.
Zandvoort: I'm brand spanking new.
Abu Dhabi: My parents have money.
Brand sbanking new
@@NizarAlAufi I see what you did there
QemeH Monza: My banking is historical and Ferrari loves me.
Zandvoort opened in the 1930s. Am I missing a joke?
Russia: My feature is that I’m boring
FIA: these are the rules
Circuits: No
FIA: K
correction:
FIA: these are the rules
Monaco: No
FIA: K
Lol
Understandable, have a great day.
Monaco: Here take all my money
FIA: k, thx
FIA: We want safe runoff zones
Monaco: We don't have overtakes
FIA: No overtakes? Exactly what we need
What I’m taking from this is that technically there is nothing in the rules preventing you from having a loop-the-loop.
maximum elevation change per distance covered is there somewhere
the loop would also fall into banking as 180º later it doesn't really matter which axis were you turning about
Meaning the loop would need to be very BIG.
Well they always say that F1 cars has enough downforce to drive upside down, time to put it to the test!
@@collapserelapse @redbull see this comment please, we wanna see something
@@collapserelapse yeah, sure, but
going upside down = less downforce on the track because gravity
less downforce = less grip
less grip = less speed
less speed = even less downforce
What makes a track suitable for F1? Lots and lots of money. Everything else is secondary.
Moron
Eavy Eavy scathing critique of the major points in the comment right here.
looking at you, abu dhabi
don’t be foolish , secundairy is money. the rest is like third priority.
You wouldn’t get f1 without money you know
"The way that having no overtaking at all, is a feature of the Russian GP."
LMAO nice one... 😂
Or just Race in yas Marina
Or all GP
Also "a short GP, like Monaco but a proper track"
Upon hearing this I immediately scrolled down to see if it was top comment, and was not disappointed
Yeah but at least it's still far more interesting than Monaco
You forgot one of the most important rulings whenever a new country wants to host a race.
"If a circuit is build from the ground up it must be designed by Hermann Tilke."
Circuits not built from the ground up have his design too I think e.g. Singapore's Marina Bay Street Circuit, Mexico City's Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez
Apex Designs says no
@@lzh4950And the Baku city circuit
"Lapping backmarkers is part of the game"
See: Any race at Martinsville Speedway (0.85 km)
if you thought a half mile racing is that tough, wait until you see races in Bowman Gray Stadium, where lapping backmarkers are something you'll almost always do
Bold of you to assume there’d be a green flag stint long enough for backmarkers to be an issue, someone’s getting turned before that happens.
There are lots of ovals shorter than Martinsville too, 1/4 and 1/3 mile ovals are all over North America.
Bristol as well, but i I love racing there
Richmond, Iowa, Bristol.....
"At least 12 meters wide" Baku turn 8-10: 🙄😳
wanker turn
Another problem with long tracks not mentioned: The weather.
Not only does having a longer track increase the chance that one part of the track is wet, and the other dry, but that a 6 minute lap gives much more time for the track to go from "dry" to "too wet for slicks", which is, if not plain dangerous, either allows for even more malarky where a slower car ends up passing faster cars because they were able to pit in time, before the track got too wet/dry. That, or it requires tire manufacturers to make more all purpose tyres.
Also, Start finish line related- it's also *very* important that the finish line isn't a braking zone. Something that becomes an issue when you have two drivers fighting for position on the last lap, and neither wants to yield...
Its tradition that Endurance Grand Prix in Le Mans has one condition in one part of the track and another condition in the oppside side.
Think besides track length the circuit layout has to be considered too? A track can be very long but it many stretches of it's route runs close to one other e.g. Autódromo José Carlos Pace, Monaco's F1 street circuit then I imagine the problems traditionally associated with long circuits e.g. variation of weather across different stretches of circuit, longer response time of medical cars, marshals, medics etc. will be reduced
With the distance from start-finish and Turn 1 being at least 250 meters, the issue of the line being in a braking zone becomes self-solved
When they squeeze F1 races to places like Singapore, Baku or Hanoi, those rules seem laughable at best.
I want F1 on Bathurst in this case period.
I guess to be fair Singapore's Marina Bay Street Circuit isn't that narrow (mostly 4 lanes), but most stretches of it lack run-off areas
albert park is up there with spa, its soo good. the big thing with bathurst is there is nothing there in the town. And as much as Bathurst is one of the best tracks ever, F1 is about glitz and glamour, and money...
James Osullivan Zandvoort is also not a big place though. Couple of hotels owned by the same corrupt prince who owns the racing track but other than that it’s nothing there. Of course fia was more inclined to add a dutch gp though but still
James Osullivan Most people in the Netherlands wanted it to be the GP of Assen but that prince threw a whole lot of money at it to make sure it would be zandvoort
@@simon6495 well that sucks. but austin is also similar to what your saying. honestly in reality zaandavort is surrounded by europe, bathurst is surrounded by nothing but desert. I love Bathurst but i also love albert park and melbourne are good at hosting things like the aussi open.
I'm pretty sure 5:49 has pegged you onto some kind of Kremlin watchlist, well done
I don't think they'll risk another military nerve agent attack so soon, so he should be safe for now...
How? If anything Chain Bear is poking fun at Herman Tilke's track design in Sochi and not Russia itself.
idk I feel like this video is missing something, like a black screen that lasts for 30 seconds.
why>
@@ttocs1998 this is a reupload, the original had an editing mistake
Second time's the charm
Von Splatterblast lmao
Real fans saw the first one.
AlexM1005 fr
Lmfao
@Jurassic Mindset we've all got to much time on our hands
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Thanks for this gold nugget ! Even thought the rest is gibberish beside de funny titles (or Lorem Ipsum, i had to google it, i learned something).
:D
Something that I'm curious about and you could do a video about it, is how it's decided where to mark the three sectors of each track. In some of the circuits they seem similar sized, and in others it's clearly mismatched.
Never thought about it, but couldn't it be by estimated laptime in each sector? Then circuits with large straights would see a longer sector in the straight to make up the time it cuts from the other sectors, but all would have a similar time duration.
Curious but gonna google it tho.
Seeing that sectors have roughly equal times, looks like by laptime. The primary purpose of the sectors is to measure the pace, so it's quite natural to do so.
There is a video about Marshall posts and marshalling sectors in this channel.
Always 20 per lap and it is where we have flags and sensors for VSC.
I think it is from when Vettel said something about cars using a regulation breech to gain time under safety car.
love the way zandvoort has thrown some rules out the window to instead make a damn cool track. motorsport needs more of that.
Yeah, sadly it looks like we don't race there at all if they start the season again.
well its going to be another monaco or russain gp. no overtake no action
@@marksmits1911 - it's a fantastic looking track, I'd say similar to Germany tbh
they're back to mid 60s principle
@@marksmits1911 "mOnAcO nO aCtiOn". I love how F1 fans say something about a track that has never held a GP.
The most important thing:
Money
Yes, F1 is almost going to Rio instead of São Paulo because they offered 3x more than São Paulo, if the president didn't want it to go to Rio, probably Brazil would pay a little bit.
less than 2km for 26 cars
imagine 26 f1 cars on tsukuba
How many years is it since there were 26 cars in a F1 race!!!
i can hardly imagine any f1 cars on tsukuba, tsukuba is way too tight for cars that fast.
@@Zenthex i think you missed the point
then they would start mid corner like in the shitty gt sports game
Starting grid would have to move to the final straight probably and that would give a hairpin as the last corner before checkered flag.
Come to think of it, I guess it could actually work for F3 and F2 if the track got a bit wider
Maybe because I’m biased as an Australian, but I’d love to see an F1 race around Mount Panorama.
albert park is up there with spa, its soo good. the big thing with bathurst is there is nothing there in the town. And as much as Bathurst is one of the best tracks ever, F1 is about glitz and glamour, and money...
Yes please!!
Imagine an F1 car doing 350km/h or more down Conrod. I would love to see that.
If every track stock with the regulations we would have 21 Paul Ricard's
No Poul Richard is way to exacting. A Yas marina with Sotcie walls would be ideal. It would give optimal time for showing sponsor logos with fancy graffics without getting distractions from racing.
@@6038am no Infetrlagos and Sozokua are better than Pool Reecord, Yes Merino and Sokhee
“My nightmares are about ghosts and ghouls”
“My nightmares are about scary places”
“I get nightmares about a season of Paul Ricard’s”
Everyone: talks about seat changes
Chainbear: Tracks!
9:46 - "Charlie said" 😥
I love tracks that are in the woods. Feels so natural and beautiful. Like Austria and Spa.
Or old Hockenheim
@@canis_lupus2220 Glad you mentioned that.
“Iknow we have Monaco, but I mean like a proper track.”
I know it's apples and oranges but Iowa is always a crazy Indy race and gives credit to the idea that a short crouded track makes good racing.
Well at this rate, f1 isnt even going to be racing in a decade. Itll just be cars lapping a circuit at regulated intervals. 😅
Amazing timing for the release of this video, I've spent the last 2 months mapping a street track in my hometown. The first New Zealand Grand Prix!!
These huge swings in track length is one of the things I love about 80s/90s NASCAR. You have the mega speedways like Daytona and Talladega, but you also had these tiny half mile (.8km) ovals like North Wilkesboro where it was more about where you put your car while driving and how aggressive you can get during the race than raw speed.
NASCAR does a lot of cool and unique things. LA Colisseum, a gravel race, a street circuit, the full layout of COTA... it's crazy to think all of these different track types are ran in the same championship.
@@TrolledByI love IndyCar for this reason exactly. They run ovals (but no too many), road courses, and street circuits. It’s like a celebration of every kind of American Motorsport.
6:20 Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the top of the “T” doesn’t appear to be in line with the top of the “L” or “W”?
I've never understood why F1 only has 1 medical car. Series here in the states like IndyCar and IMSA have trucks with basic medical equipment and trained medical workers at almost every post around the track.
Big difference between trucks with medical equipment and the FIA medical car. That medical car has two doctors in it; I'm willing to bet the posts with trucks and equipment aren't staffed by doctors, and probably not even paramedics at that.
@@theenglandguy the AMR safety team that travels with the IndyCar series and are in the trucks at every race are all doctor, nurses, firefighters, or paramedics when they aren't at the track.
@@theenglandguy Why would you be "willing to bet" something like that? What an arrogant and stupid thing to say.
5:51 Sorry but having the green (LMGTE PRO) dots slower than the orange (LMGTE AM) ones is really messing with my head.
They are slower because they are fighting each other all the time
It's not impossible. The cars are identical, and while LMGTE Am has the requirement of at least one of the drivers needing to be an "amateur", the reverse requirement does not exist for LMGTE Pro, so you could drive your Pro car with a driver lineup of a rookie driver, a squirrel and an old lady (as it were, obviously), and probably be significantly slower than the entire Am field.
@@rjfaber1991 Nah, the BoP will mess this up
@@rjfaber1991 I know it isn't impossible, it just messes with my head.
Robert Faber GTE-Pro has the newest cars with the latest updates while GTE-Am has to use last years models. Eg, in 2019-2020, GTE-Pro uses the 19-20 spec cars, whereas GTE-Am uses the latest versions of the 18-19 spec cars
Who else watched the original before he fixed the blackout?
yes hahaha
Even commented and liked :3
I'm too late :(
I made it to exactly 2:37 on the video before it was privated and reuploaded lol
I watched the first 15 seconds of it
Nice to know I'm not the only nerdy F1 fan that enjoys looking at the FIA circuit homoligtion rules and regs
Whan you need to host a F1 race in 2020
1. Street going in a circle, you can even decide the shape on your own!
2. Make VERY SURE to either host it in the midst of a city with narrow streets or make overtaking nearly impossible by any means necessary
3. Money, big piles of cash freshly served into the pockets of FIA
Pro-tip: When you are annoyed by your image as a "boring race track" make the race start at night flooding the scene with cool lights
Idea for a video - make your ideal racetrack, either on your own, or using F1 track pieces.
How the f do you manage to have over 100k people who are very likely not in any way related to designing an F1 track to watch this video??
-Great production
-Great narration
-Factual & backed up research
7:19 So? Let's take Baby Park from Mario Kart.
actually just make the US GP bristol motor speedway
Daytona. Let's do it.
@@StarkRaven59 Talladega.
@@jlaws63 I can't quite remember what my original thinking was, but I believe I meant the Daytona 200/24hr/infield layout.
Thanks a million, Chainbear! Excellent. Can't wait for you and Sean at F1Word to discuss races later this year
When you scale the numbers up and disregard 1/2 the rules, in theory an F1 race van be held at Eldora Speedway in Rossburg, Ohio. It is a half mile dirt(well, actually packed clay) oval nicknamed the "Big E". The biggest event held there is a race of the Camping World Truck Series. A 3rd tier NASCAR series that races, well, trucks.
I fucking love American motorsports. They're so simple and no nonsense unlike F1 and it's complexity and politics.
I would love to see an F1 race, run to F1 regulations, on an Oval. Imagine F1 back at Indy (not least because of the 8-year-old fanboys who think 2005 will happen again).
It would have to be somewhere like Milwaukee
Was wondering how the 2011 IndyCar race @ the Las Vegas International Speedway would stack up to the regulations mentioned at 6:04
id rather kill myself
No one wants to see f1 drivers turning left sometimes
Basically: Let's have a F1 race at Lime Rock Park. The ALMS made fields of up to 5 vastly different classes - with lap times ranging from about 45 to 55 secconds - work there. Let's not have the circuit being fundamentally at odds with F1 specifications be the reason not to do it.
Good God you make amazingly informative videos. Thank you and please keep up the good work!
"Having no overtaking at all is a feature of the Russian Grand Prix"
Shots fired! I repeat! Shots fired!
7:25 'I mean I guess we have Monaco but I mean like a proper track!' Shots fired! 😂
You forgot the last rule, all new circuits can’t have any overtaking. That’s why turkey and hockenheim got removed.
One of the most senseful insight in circuits regulamentation! Keep it up!
5:50 Savage! 😆
Wow that would be a cool feauture in the f1 games “build your own track” 😅
As always great content keep up the good work!!!
When Sepang got rid of F1 to focus on the much more popular MotoGP in Malaysia, they immediately changed the final turn to an adverse camber of 12 degrees, as they had issues with drainage there. The rules of F1 didn't allow them to do that originally.
tdyerwestfield - OFTW OG that's not true given that when F1 last raced here in 2018 the change had already been made and the last corner was already off camber.
You like bikes, we get it.
I was watching just when you put it out. I thought I was having troubles with mi WiFi.
for anyone asking (probably no one) - the image of austria at the left side in the newsletter (03:17) is the Maria-Theresien-Straße in Innsbruck.
The animation on this racing channel is TOP NOTCH
Very interesting. I have thought it would generated interest if each year the F1 calendar included a one off special interest track. Such as lagoona saca in the US or Bathurst in Australia. I'd be interested for you to pick some tracks that you think would make an interesting F1 race and then run the FIA rules over them to see if they comply. All the best.
Even then, the tracks need to require a FIA Grade 1 License for F1 to race there. Both tracks don't have that.
I recently moved to Las Vegas and had a dream about a proper F1 street circuit where the Vegas Strip was the start finish straight. No idea how that'd work, but it would be epic to have a night race on the strip with F1 cars flying down Las Vegas Boulevard.
The time it takes to put together these animations, you make them look easy.
They're anything but.
concerning the number of the corners, there is a rule to call corners. radius has to be at a certain size to be called a corner. if it's too shallow, it's concidered a straight. hence why it's turn 3 at Spa instead of 4.
1:11 You forgot the oval.
No, beacause he took Sakhir as example and when we excludin the time when Indy 500 was actually also a F1GP in the 1950s, Ovals never were a F1 Track.
the 18 degrees on zandvoort is the corner after you put the 18 degrees in the picture.. As always cool video keep up the good work
i personally would love to see f1 drive at the Circuit de la sarthe. i know it is 13,5 km long, but i would love to see cars, that are designed for those restrictions, drive this high speed track.
hi chain bear, can you do a video were you break down how long a f1 driver actually drives a f1 car in a season including fp1, fp2 , fp3 and qualifying , if you would like you could maybe do the whole year that includes winter testing and other things , i think it would be really interesting on how long or how much a person at the pinnacle of motorsport actually drives their cars. That they have worked so hard to get in .
You know, this is very similar to the way in which airports are designed, following very precise regulations established by the governing body regarding the geometry and characteristics of the track/runway. Very interesting!
(Source: Im an aeronautic engineer)
Not sure if it's the first video you use them but those new 3D graphics (10:00) look fantastic
One of my favorite tracks is my local track Sonoma raceway. Sure it's a Nascar track and former Indy car and a drag strip. Not exactly a European track. But I think it would be interesting to see f1 race it. Race the Indy car circuit. The glorious thing about Sonoma is there are so many different configurations. It is however a rolling start track. So that would be a big issue. A rolling f1 start would be something really interesting to see. It is also a narrow track. Probably will never happen but I can dream.
7:21 Martinsville has entered the chat
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Very nice vid!!! Super informative!
I wish my professor do his presentations like this. I'd watch it over and over again.
Mate, I studied all of this for my thesis in architecture, this video is 2 years late XD, the reactrack was a mix of a small purpose built track and a looping park, I exploited the "recommended" length clause, since it went +8km, the restriction was that the track had to connect various distircts of the city as a looping park, i posted the walkthrough of my track on my account if you want to check it out
Ah, it’s been a while. Finally I see you again
I would love to see a video on the new proposed saudi gp since they said it will be longer than spa
I would not have expected to see a photo of my hometown on this channel, but at 03:21, here we are
The long ad at the beginning is annoying when this video is playing on my device in the kitchen and I'm elbows deep in a recipe. I pay for RUclips Premium. Just a regular consumer's perspective, offered in good faith.
can i applaud you for your animation work? yes? good. you deserve it.
11:31 only true og’s know
If F1 can race at Monaco and Singapore, they can surely race at Bathurst.
Nope, not even close.
I wonder why at nearly all F1 tracks, the finish line is in a different location to the start line.
Turn "2" at Zantvoort looks more just like a "kink" than a proper corner.
I was gonna reference the second hairpin at Tsukuba as an example but apparently there's 2 "corners" in between the first 2 hairpins as well labeled T2 and T3..
Look, can we all agree that F1 at bathurst would be a hilarious mess that would be amazing to see....once
Airborn F1 cars and kangaroos!!
Imagine the speed going down the mountain and into the fast right corner. Dear god. That would be phenomenal.
What makes a track suitable for Formula 1?
1) Not designed by Tilke.
2) See rule #1.
To be fair COTA is good
Tbh, after seeing this Video I understand to some extend why his tracks are what they are. He has to follow these regulations. And I think this Video showed only a little of all regulations he has to follow. Also he must do what the People in charge want. So I guess he has some great ideas for tracks but isn't allowed to implement those because like I said they do not match the restrictions, regulation and expectations
So basically every Track we race on in F1 is an exception to the FIA rules xD
9:34 "I have no idea why it's called Turn 3 at Zandvoort." It's actually called Hugenholzbocht, but it is the third named corner. The left-hand flick after Tarzan is unnamed.
This video is very visually satisfying
Can testify that the gravel trap outside Curva Grande at Monza in deceivingly steep. Like, VERY steep
The FIA track regulations remind me of the English language; constantly breaking its own rules.
Informative and was looking for this.
Camber referenced is called transverse grade and super elevation. Camber in roadway mostly relates to bridge spans.
So many regulations that all intertwine with some tracks that are outside them contradicting, or being an exemption to, the regs. Classic F1
In the poison dwarf days I’d say the only criteria for whether your track was suitable was whether you put enough money in the envelope you stuffed in his back pocket.
My wife was involved in some legal issues with a particular track 10 years ago and there was all sorts of mutual back scratching going on.
Let’s just say a certain person ended up owning a large property next to this track that he didn’t have to pay for.
I understand run off zones and needing the stands far away from any potential incidents, but if we’re allowed to race Monaco a circuit with no margin for error at all with no run off we really should be allowed to run any circuit backwards
I always liked circuits with elevation, Bathurst is one of my favorites, would be cool to see a circuit built in a mist mountain forest with all kinds of exotic road.
I love the casual dig at the Russian GP
Half the tracks on the current F1 calendar aren’t suitable for F1 racing.
Some don’t have proper pavement like Turkey.
Others don’t have room for overtaking like Monaco.
Others are in active war zones with threats of missile attacks
7:26 we had the Sakhir GP on the Bahrain Outer Circuit which had a shorter lap time than Monaco
monaco was still shorter
Make you own dream racetrack under these rules
Me: "So there are rules every track must follow?"
FIA: "Well yes, but actually no"
It’s interesting to see a few ‘recent’ F1 circuits are no longer grade 1 - Adelaide, Buenos Aires, Donington, Kyalami...and Zhuhai that was originally built for F1 in the late 90s.
Last time I was this early a third of the video length is literally a black screen.
It might seem absurdly dangerous, but there’s a part in me that feels spa should have, and always should’ve had its start on the run down into eau rouge - raidillon, but still have the finish line on the straight into la source.
They do that in the 24 hour race and I think there’s more distance into eau rouge for turn one unlike la source, also that side of the track is set up for starting a race and f1 has had this scenario before at long beach from 1978 to 1982.
If you were to plug in the max numbers in the max starters formula, the F1 could technically allow for max.60 starters.
Imagine that.
video idea. Can you explain driving styles e.g. Alonso is a bit unorthodox whereas I know button is the textbook driver. Maybe go through the grid and explain the benefits and weakness of them
Errors: 3:54 Spa Francorchamps length is given a faulty mix of unit symbol and prefix - KM instead of km.
6:33 The number of allowed F1 cars is calculated using the value of coefficient G for single-seaters with engine capacities over 2000 cm^3, though the regulations at the time this was made specify a max engine capacity of 1600 cm^3, which corresponds to a value of 0.8 for coefficient G.
The old circuits were very organic and not created on the computer. They were created by locals and had the local flavours. So let the locals design the circuit with the f1 regulations in mind.