I'm honestly shocked Nintendo hasn't shut this down yet. Their legal team is usually frothing at the mouth to slap a cease and desist on anything that moves
I think what you could do if you wanted to balance the game more is change it so that Misses only happen on combos after the first super effective hit and increase in likelihood has the combo continues. And critical hits only happen when attacking not very effectively in and they don’t give you another move they just preserved the piece that attacked.
They might not actually have any footing here. You can’t copyright game rules, so using the type chart as a chess modifier is fair game. If you publish a version of the game that doesn’t use Pokémon designs, there’s no other connection to Pokémon that a suit can be based on (that I can tell).
Honestly depending on the meta Bug might be a okay type to use, it’s resistances to fighting and ground makes it a decent defensive type against those pieces. Similarly, Ice I think has some value as a Queen, being effective against a good number of types and it’s lack of resistances isn’t as big a deal for reasons you mentioned in the video. In short, I don’t think the two types are completely useless, they do have some value.
Ice actually would be a great anti-meta Queen type. It can hit ground queens for super effective, as well as beating dragon and grass, two more common pawn types.
@@noinfo1018 It’s also Super Effective against flying, so Kings of that type are at risk of a Ice queen gunning for them (especially if they put ice weak pieces/pawns nearby) As I pointed out in my comment, I do think every type can be useful as long as it’s in the right meta.
I dunno about crits, but misses sound like a mechanic useful to potentially stop others from chewing through 3 pieces to get a king. It's risky, as your queen could get stuck halfway through. Shame it affects regular play though.
Perhaps, to simulate the larger miss chances of higher-damage moves, miss chance could start low (or even at 0%) and increase every turn once you move more than once in a row, like Protect’s fail chance lol
I'm nearly undefeated with an Ice queen. People tend to use dragon as one of the key protectors of the king, which lets an ice queen sweep in; but it's also effective against ground, which often lets you position against that (likely offensive) piece. People also often put grass on a key pawn due to its resistance to both ground and water. It's probably not all THAT good though, and I'm probably just winning due to being good at chess in the first place, but it's still a solid choice (probably next best after the 3 meta picks of ground/fire/water).
Now add gimmicks like Megas, Dynamax, and Terastallization Megas: At the start of the game, you pick one Mega Pokémon. That Pokémon’ not very effective hits become neutral, and super effective hits against it also become neutral. Dynamax; The piece now takes up a 3x3 square centered on itself, attacking any Pokémon within the square that aren’t yours. However, it can still be attacked in that area. When a Dynamax Pokémon would die, it just goes back to normal. Terastallization; At any time during your turn, once per game, you can switch the typing of one of your pokemon until the end of the game.
I mean ice can be a good queen, especially since it works well against ground queens and water queens well. I'm also a fan of ghost queens. Pokemon chess is fun
"Now all we need is someone to put *chess* into Pokemon." They beat you to it. Nidoqueen/Vespiquen, Nidoking/Kingler/Kingambit, Stakataka (or Rookidee if you want name as opposed to appearance), Rapidash (or Corviknight if you want name as opposed to appearance), Bisharp, Pawniard.
I have been here since the beginning of Pokemon chess, before it was a browser game, when it was just a game made to troll a RUclipsrs friends, and I love to see how it has evolved
How to fix Crits/Misses; -Give a piece higher miss chances depending on what piece it is. Make pawns never miss, and make queens only 60% accurate. This makes it so a piece’s value is dictated by its typing, and what the actual piece is becomes an interesting risk/reward side mechanic, like choosing the move of your Pokémon. -Make the weaker types (bug, ice, etc) have a higher crit chance to make them worth using. Steel would rarely crit, and normal, bug and ice would be monsters with a 35 percent crit chance. Again, more risk reward.
The team that has electric pawn, rock pawn, and poison pawn all in a row is a horrible team, I'd recommend never using it, since it gets destroyed by ground queen, which happens to be the best queen type
I personally like giving steel and/or dragon to the center pawns, since it allows you to keep your core stronger due to their large number of resistances making them good for forcing a trade if your opponent wants to open up the center.
Normally, winning on turn 2 as black is the fastest win in chess due to checkmate not requiring taking the king. This means a game where you must TAKE the king would require winning on turn 3 as black at the earliest. However, in Pokemon Chess, you can win on turn 2 as white. White: E4 Black: H5 (likely with a piece that resists white's queen, if played seriously) White: QxH5! (crit), QxE7! (crit or SE), QxE8# (checkmate)
the closest thing to chess in pokemon ive seen is a rom hack that replaces battles with auto chess fights and each pokemon has a certain way of attacking and an ability its pretty neat its called pokemon crown if anyone is interested
I played pokemon chess a lot for a few days when it came out. Personal favourite pet picks of mine were steel and rock queens - I found that if your queen resisted their kings type, then you could really exploit that and just chase their king around the board with your queen and they'd be completely unable to take you (making attacks on the king with your queen brutal), whereas the other piece matchups didn't matter so much as you can just escape from their attacks (and even pawn structure should be designed not to let common queens combo into it). I also anticipated a lot of flying type kings to counter the powerful ground type queen - so by choosing steel or rock queen, you can exploit them massively. Rock retained more combo potential, while Steel's better resistance spread made it a safer choice.
I do agree that crits and misses shouldn't be in the game. Chess is a strategy game where every move counts, but with crits and misses anyone with decent luck can win with no strategy at all. Even in actual competitive pokemon rng is a huge factor but with a good strategy you can recover but in pokemon chess it's way more detrimental
As I mention in the vid, Pokemon Chess has no guard rails. You're not forced to defend your king during check because immunities and super effective attacks exist. Hope that helps!
@@BlaineSimple it's the "en passant is forced" meme, not a genuine question. (When you move a pawn up two squares and it ends up next to an enemy pawn, the enemy pawn can capture your pawn as if it had only moved one square, and r/anarchychess has precisely two jokes, one of which is that en passant is forced when it isn't (the other is the Google en passant, holy hell, etc. comment chain))
I find it really funny in all the videos about pokemon chess they all complain about crits and misses and while occasionally leads to spontaneous victories more often losses come from the game not telling you no.
Blaine: "I'm assuming you know the basic of chess and how the pieces move, because it'd be EMBARRASSING if you didn't." Also Blaine: "Just to be safe: if your king gets captured, you lose." Gosh, that DID look embarrassing, especially since you're the one MAKING the video about chess and you don't know that in chess, a king is never captured. The game ends when one player is in checkmate, a state where the king wouldn't be able to avoid capture next turn, a turn which will therefore never come.
Although I admit to lacking chess vocabulary, I very much linked the concept of capturing of the king to a state of checkmate for simplicity. Also, Pokemon Chess doesn't have checkmate mechanics, so that also skewed my thought process. RUclipsrs read their comments more than you think. Try sounding less needlessly condescending next time if you're looking for a meaningful conversation.
is there a version of this game without the crits and misses because *ow* this game goes from being decently okay to being absolute hot garbage with them in
Ice feels like it should be great here. Counters flying and ground pieces looking to play into immunities, matches up well against grass to break through a pawn/bishop/knight, and its defenses aren’t a big deal if you put it on a mid-value piece
Had a thought for a few months about a multiplayer chess game, where each player on a team chooses a piece. During that team's turn, each piece that was chosen by a player can move, all of them, but the captain of the team moves them and does NOT need to move all of them. The captain can only move pieces that his team chose and can move as many of them as he wants. The turn has a time limit so players need to think fast. I'm thinking 30 seconds to make a move or you lose the turn.
this is super interesting... but why not make it more interesting by literally setting them as specific pokemon, so when you come to a battle situation, those 2 battle instead of just going off of typing. chess is war strategy, so why not just have actual battles
Chess in Pokemon: Pokemon Conquest. Its a SRPG where you have a set of trainers battle it out chess-like with different objectives. Yes, sometimes is as easy as kill the king, but more often than not is capture the flag. You can evolve, and capture Pokemon and it was overall a good game. Sadly, we might never see one again. (I say that even when they took 25 years to release New Pokemon Snap).
I can mod chess into pokemon easy enough And you did demonstraight that your team is good enough that if used with full game knowledge and situational awareness, it could be near unbeatable
did you just make a whole video about Pokemon Chess without even a mention to Little Z, who invented it and created the website you're using... stylish
I also made an ACTUAL STALL TEAM by using a DEAGON TYPE QUEEN. it’s made to home in on a fairy pawn, then spam nothing while your opponent is forced to unravel their own defenses. it fills the front line with good reactive types to prevent any penetration
I haven't played Pokémon Chess, but if the chances are anything like Pokémon
You know how much 90% accurate moves miss exactly when you need it
Well, it's not their fault. It's 50% accurate.
@@getthedunkon9347 I see we have a manj tv enjoyer
@@getthedunkon9347 kids, if it isn't 100% accurate its 50% accurate
Stone edge missed!
Technically, all attacks are 90% accurate (unless your a manjtv enjoyer)
I'm honestly shocked Nintendo hasn't shut this down yet. Their legal team is usually frothing at the mouth to slap a cease and desist on anything that moves
I think what you could do if you wanted to balance the game more is change it so that Misses only happen on combos after the first super effective hit and increase in likelihood has the combo continues. And critical hits only happen when attacking not very effectively in and they don’t give you another move they just preserved the piece that attacked.
They might not actually have any footing here. You can’t copyright game rules, so using the type chart as a chess modifier is fair game.
If you publish a version of the game that doesn’t use Pokémon designs, there’s no other connection to Pokémon that a suit can be based on (that I can tell).
Literally all they did was take sprites from it, that's the only real thing here that Nintendo owns
@@Moss_Dudeyeah well it never stopped em before
Didn't Pokemon Company only do that to one fangame, which costed money to download?
Honestly depending on the meta Bug might be a okay type to use, it’s resistances to fighting and ground makes it a decent defensive type against those pieces.
Similarly, Ice I think has some value as a Queen, being effective against a good number of types and it’s lack of resistances isn’t as big a deal for reasons you mentioned in the video.
In short, I don’t think the two types are completely useless, they do have some value.
Much like actual pokemon
Ice actually would be a great anti-meta Queen type. It can hit ground queens for super effective, as well as beating dragon and grass, two more common pawn types.
@@noinfo1018 It’s also Super Effective against flying, so Kings of that type are at risk of a Ice queen gunning for them (especially if they put ice weak pieces/pawns nearby)
As I pointed out in my comment, I do think every type can be useful as long as it’s in the right meta.
@@deathclawproductions6723the type of the king doesn’t matter defensively. You don’t get an extra turn because the game ends
Yeah remember when captain Kidd won in like 4 moves against astroid with his ice queen
Alpharad drawn by Blaine is something I never thought I’d see
me neither but im glad i have
I dunno about crits, but misses sound like a mechanic useful to potentially stop others from chewing through 3 pieces to get a king. It's risky, as your queen could get stuck halfway through. Shame it affects regular play though.
Perhaps, to simulate the larger miss chances of higher-damage moves, miss chance could start low (or even at 0%) and increase every turn once you move more than once in a row, like Protect’s fail chance lol
Actually, the creator just added crits and misses because he knew it would fuck with people and create agony for him to revel in. This isn't a joke.
6 Lugias, take it or leave it
Leave it
I'm nearly undefeated with an Ice queen. People tend to use dragon as one of the key protectors of the king, which lets an ice queen sweep in; but it's also effective against ground, which often lets you position against that (likely offensive) piece. People also often put grass on a key pawn due to its resistance to both ground and water. It's probably not all THAT good though, and I'm probably just winning due to being good at chess in the first place, but it's still a solid choice (probably next best after the 3 meta picks of ground/fire/water).
Blaine: Put chess in Pokemon.
Pawniard, Bisharp, and Kingambit: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Impressive chess, try solving 5D chess with multiverse time travel next
Pokemon 5D chess chess with multiversal time travel.
@@GAMEFAN27without crits and misses because that would litteraily break the game.
i think its funny that little Z wanted to make chess casual because he's bad at chess, and blaine is sad that it's doomed to be casual
Now add gimmicks like Megas, Dynamax, and Terastallization
Megas: At the start of the game, you pick one Mega Pokémon. That Pokémon’ not very effective hits become neutral, and super effective hits against it also become neutral.
Dynamax; The piece now takes up a 3x3 square centered on itself, attacking any Pokémon within the square that aren’t yours. However, it can still be attacked in that area. When a Dynamax Pokémon would die, it just goes back to normal.
Terastallization; At any time during your turn, once per game, you can switch the typing of one of your pokemon until the end of the game.
This is actually a REALLY cool idea!! Dynamax sounds a bit freaky (Idk, maybe it would work better than I think) but the other two sound really fun!!
Pokemon Chess looks super fun! The Wolves of Langston was great. I'm sure Crystal's of Z'leth will be as well.
I mean ice can be a good queen, especially since it works well against ground queens and water queens well.
I'm also a fan of ghost queens.
Pokemon chess is fun
"Now all we need is someone to put *chess* into Pokemon."
They beat you to it.
Nidoqueen/Vespiquen, Nidoking/Kingler/Kingambit, Stakataka (or Rookidee if you want name as opposed to appearance), Rapidash (or Corviknight if you want name as opposed to appearance), Bisharp, Pawniard.
Okay but what about the castle?
@@snomcultist189 That's _Rook_ idee for the name, or Stakataka for the appearance. Just a buncha bricks, that one.
I have been here since the beginning of Pokemon chess, before it was a browser game, when it was just a game made to troll a RUclipsrs friends, and I love to see how it has evolved
Ice queen is op
How to fix Crits/Misses;
-Give a piece higher miss chances depending on what piece it is. Make pawns never miss, and make queens only 60% accurate. This makes it so a piece’s value is dictated by its typing, and what the actual piece is becomes an interesting risk/reward side mechanic, like choosing the move of your Pokémon.
-Make the weaker types (bug, ice, etc) have a higher crit chance to make them worth using. Steel would rarely crit, and normal, bug and ice would be monsters with a 35 percent crit chance. Again, more risk reward.
I didn't even know this was a thing. I wonder if it's already a "solved game" or not (that is, if an optimal strategy has been found).
The pokechess discord is always working on that. Quite a bit of optimization has been reached. Eventually it gets down to skill at the end.
The team that has electric pawn, rock pawn, and poison pawn all in a row is a horrible team, I'd recommend never using it, since it gets destroyed by ground queen, which happens to be the best queen type
I personally like giving steel and/or dragon to the center pawns, since it allows you to keep your core stronger due to their large number of resistances making them good for forcing a trade if your opponent wants to open up the center.
2:07 this person has 'having fun' for ground lmao
0:20 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is by far the best selling switch game of all time.
mans sleeping on Ice queen demolishing the ground queen and flying king
Combining a game of smarts with one of luck and meta. What could possibly go wrong?
I have played like 10 matches today and have a 100% win rate
Normally, winning on turn 2 as black is the fastest win in chess due to checkmate not requiring taking the king. This means a game where you must TAKE the king would require winning on turn 3 as black at the earliest. However, in Pokemon Chess, you can win on turn 2 as white.
White: E4
Black: H5 (likely with a piece that resists white's queen, if played seriously)
White: QxH5! (crit), QxE7! (crit or SE), QxE8# (checkmate)
the closest thing to chess in pokemon ive seen is a rom hack that replaces battles with auto chess fights and each pokemon has a certain way of attacking and an ability its pretty neat its called pokemon crown if anyone is interested
So you also need rn Jesus on your side as well
I played pokemon chess a lot for a few days when it came out. Personal favourite pet picks of mine were steel and rock queens - I found that if your queen resisted their kings type, then you could really exploit that and just chase their king around the board with your queen and they'd be completely unable to take you (making attacks on the king with your queen brutal), whereas the other piece matchups didn't matter so much as you can just escape from their attacks (and even pawn structure should be designed not to let common queens combo into it). I also anticipated a lot of flying type kings to counter the powerful ground type queen - so by choosing steel or rock queen, you can exploit them massively. Rock retained more combo potential, while Steel's better resistance spread made it a safer choice.
That is called boxing the king! And is why Dark queen (the only type that successfully boxes top ghost king) is so valuable.
I made a team based on countering this one in case this becomes popular
Yeaaaaah! My boy Slime!!
This honestly is a really nice mix up to your content. I liked it alot. Hopefully it gets more traction
I do agree that crits and misses shouldn't be in the game. Chess is a strategy game where every move counts, but with crits and misses anyone with decent luck can win with no strategy at all. Even in actual competitive pokemon rng is a huge factor but with a good strategy you can recover but in pokemon chess it's way more detrimental
I personally would do ghost and fighting for my rooks electric and fire for bishops and water and fire for knights and king and queen the same typings
You can have the same type in multiple places
@@angelhugh334 huh? each piece has to be a different type
@@LaserAgentRyan That is correct. Once you pick a type for a piece, you can't use it for another. You have to use 16 out of 18 types in your board.
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13:27
This is illegal. How has there not been a fix implimented for that. gxf6 was forced.
As I mention in the vid, Pokemon Chess has no guard rails. You're not forced to defend your king during check because immunities and super effective attacks exist. Hope that helps!
@@BlaineSimple it's the "en passant is forced" meme, not a genuine question. (When you move a pawn up two squares and it ends up next to an enemy pawn, the enemy pawn can capture your pawn as if it had only moved one square, and r/anarchychess has precisely two jokes, one of which is that en passant is forced when it isn't (the other is the Google en passant, holy hell, etc. comment chain))
@@BlaineSimple and _you're_ the one saying it would be embarrassing to not know the rules of chess?
Solve the Crit/Miss thing by making that only happen on turns that have already been extended by a super effective attack.
Oooh, super cool, very well edited video! 0u0 *me, crawling around for Pokemon Chess content*
7:16 wouldn't you have died anyway since its just Pichu dies, supereffective kicks in, and you died either way
Best selling Switch game of the pokemon series, or did you mean of all the switch games? Because Mario Kart 8 still holds that title
I find it really funny in all the videos about pokemon chess they all complain about crits and misses and while occasionally leads to spontaneous victories more often losses come from the game not telling you no.
Here's an idea for an anima character you should do. In DND Remaru Tempest from the anime. That time I was reincarnated as a slime.
Great video, but uh, where on earth did you see that Scarlet and Violet is the best selling switch game, because that's like, definitely not true
I feel like ice is a better offensive type than water and dark which not only able to destroy a ground queen with a much larger coverage
do you mean from that one pokemon fangame? bc that shit is busted, but interesting for novel strategies tbh
Watching this despite always pressing randomize 😂
this is my favorite video ever made thank you blaine simp this is superb
Bug type queen is my main and a perfect anti meta pick in battles with rng disabled
Blaine has the most Androgynous voice I've ever heard
checkmate wins you can only cap king on pokemon chess, sorry if I sound annoying
14:15 Pawniard line: Allow us to introduce ourselves
Blaine: "I'm assuming you know the basic of chess and how the pieces move, because it'd be EMBARRASSING if you didn't."
Also Blaine: "Just to be safe: if your king gets captured, you lose."
Gosh, that DID look embarrassing, especially since you're the one MAKING the video about chess and you don't know that in chess, a king is never captured. The game ends when one player is in checkmate, a state where the king wouldn't be able to avoid capture next turn, a turn which will therefore never come.
Although I admit to lacking chess vocabulary, I very much linked the concept of capturing of the king to a state of checkmate for simplicity.
Also, Pokemon Chess doesn't have checkmate mechanics, so that also skewed my thought process.
RUclipsrs read their comments more than you think. Try sounding less needlessly condescending next time if you're looking for a meaningful conversation.
This is amazing! I really want to play this now!
4:34 I was JUST playing Four Souls, lol!
Ah yes such amazing ruleset
I really like to have fighting on the queen.
Forgot the ice queen that has no imunity
I just am hearing about this now
THERE’S ANOTHER SLIMEBOI!?
My guy got the last minute sponsorship ✌︎('ω'✌︎ )
gg slime
???? Pokémon sv is #7 on switch
ice queen is one of the best queen types
He's 43 pls tell me this is a joke 7:52
Thoughts on Fighting Queen?
Seems like some meta bullshit.
is. blaine isnt 43 i dont beilive it
is there a version of this game without the crits and misses
because *ow* this game goes from being decently okay to being absolute hot garbage with them in
In beta you can select no rng mode.
6:05 what about electric
Ice feels like it should be great here. Counters flying and ground pieces looking to play into immunities, matches up well against grass to break through a pawn/bishop/knight, and its defenses aren’t a big deal if you put it on a mid-value piece
The problem with 13:27 is that En Passant is forced, and Slime could not have taken your king because En Passant was there.
Had a thought for a few months about a multiplayer chess game, where each player on a team chooses a piece. During that team's turn, each piece that was chosen by a player can move, all of them, but the captain of the team moves them and does NOT need to move all of them. The captain can only move pieces that his team chose and can move as many of them as he wants. The turn has a time limit so players need to think fast. I'm thinking 30 seconds to make a move or you lose the turn.
this is super interesting... but why not make it more interesting by literally setting them as specific pokemon, so when you come to a battle situation, those 2 battle instead of just going off of typing. chess is war strategy, so why not just have actual battles
Chess in Pokemon: Pokemon Conquest.
Its a SRPG where you have a set of trainers battle it out chess-like with different objectives. Yes, sometimes is as easy as kill the king, but more often than not is capture the flag. You can evolve, and capture Pokemon and it was overall a good game. Sadly, we might never see one again. (I say that even when they took 25 years to release New Pokemon Snap).
I can mod chess into pokemon easy enough
And you did demonstraight that your team is good enough that if used with full game knowledge and situational awareness, it could be near unbeatable
Ice queen supremacy
I thought it would be a pokemon battle but instead of pokemon in would be chess pieces using pokemon moves 💀
Me who plays competitive Pokemon: Are you challenging me?
ice queen in my experience has actually been better then ground, a part of this might be the suprise factor though
The creator of Pokémon chess used crits and misses so he could actually beat his friend
Me an intellectual "No need for google, i know the type chart like the back of my hand"
GO NIDOKING
I wonder what it would be be like if the King had a health bar with how fast paced this game gets
Check
Pear
Hey, your friend cheated at the end. En passant is forced, it’s common knowledge. Google en passant forced move
Hi Radit
Hi Radit
3 words: steel type king
Not a terrible king choice really. Just be careful of fire, water, electric, and steel. Those types can box you in.
We need someone to make a mirror site that removes crits and misses
this is the frist time this hapind to me
say hello to my bad speling
I didn't know that this existed
im the fris to comments
did you just make a whole video about Pokemon Chess without even a mention to Little Z, who invented it and created the website you're using... stylish
0:22 WHAT Its seventh
I also made an ACTUAL STALL TEAM by using a DEAGON TYPE QUEEN. it’s made to home in on a fairy pawn, then spam nothing while your opponent is forced to unravel their own defenses. it fills the front line with good reactive types to prevent any penetration
Adding crits and misses seems like one of the dumbest things they couldve done with this :( it couldve been more than a casual meme
Im sorry but I have to Just say that Ice Queen is atleast decent and should have been mentioned
Your sleeping on ice queen
Video begins at 1:42