Why Mace Windu did NOTHING Wrong - Windu on Trial
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Windu gave Palpatine the chance to surrender. A Jedi in the Old Republic wouldn't have even hesitatated as long as Windu did and then followed through...
Yeah but they never would’ve had to explain killing the CHANCELLOR before
To his credit, he did win the fight...until anakin came over
@@joaquinperez4830PREACH and Lucas confirms it as well.
@@joaquinperez4830or Palpetine was feigning for Anakin to turn
Two chances honestly, first time with the other Jedi. Second time after he disarmed Palpatine. It wasn’t until Palpatine went lightning crazy that Mace decided to finish him instead.
Mace Windu was not perfect by any means, but both his heart and mind were in the right place and this video explains that perfectly.
But he was wrong in many ways. Like how he handled Anakin and how he Jumpstart the way of handling Palpetine
The kind of mental gymnastics it takes to see Windu as a villian, and Anakin of all people, the guy who slaughtered innocent children. Twice. One of times, the children trusted him, looked up to him.
Also, it's obvious Palpatine was still a major threat.
Unlike Dooku, who had his hands cut off, and was actually subdued, Palpatine showed he could still kill without his lightsaber. He was still a threat, and the fight was not over.
Don't forget guys - Palpatine was the actual traitor. He was the one who orchestrated the war with enemy faction and in doing so consigned trillions to deaths. His whole speech about "treason" is just bullshit for the hidden cameras in his office.
Mace Windu was the hero here. He knew about this duplicity of Palpatine, because the Jedi knew that Dooku had a Sith master. So the entire dillema of whether Windu is justified to kill legal head of the state is moot. Palpatine is not legal chief of the state - he is a traitor and a mass murderer.
Windu was completely in his right to strike this man down.
Well no. Palpatine was still the legal head of state. He absolutely committed treason but that doesn't give Mace the legal authority to dole out summary executions.
@@Rj-pw7zs and this is why the Jedi needed to separate from the Republic. When you live in a universe where the only people who can shoot electricity from their fingers are objectively and maniacally evil (not true in the extended universe, but point being) the policy is stab first and deal with the fallout later
@@mortalitydoesstuff8965 oh I'm not saying Mace was wrong. I'm just pointing out the OP's incorrect to say Palpatine wasn't the legal head of state.
@@Rj-pw7zs Considering the fact that he resisted arrest by law enforcement officers (yes, Jedis have that role), refused to surrender more than once, killed a few officers with magic, pretended to be too weak to fight, then attacked again, indeed Windu was justified in his actions. Was it legal? No. But only because the devil himself that was Palpatine ensured it was not legal.
Killing Palpatine was as legal as killing Hitler by a German Police officer would have been. It would have been the right thing to do.
@@mortalitydoesstuff8965 Which is something Windu was willing to do. This was his sacrifice and judging from his conduct he would have faced the responsibility. The fallout of this action would have split the Jedi from the Republic on its own.
I truly enjoyed this, Mace is my favorite Jedi and he has never been given due justice by the fandom
I just always assumed master windu was highly aware of the tolerance paradox and just like his lightsaber style, windu seemed to be able to ride the tight rope. I mean this specifically in his storming of palpatine’s quarters in revenge of the sith.
And instead of investigations into Palpetine or telling any other Jedi, he just stormed into a dangerous situation and triggered order 66 and made himself the symbol of Jedi failure
Mace Windu is an authority figure that people have a hard time understanding until they themselves carry authority. It's like becoming a manager at a job or a sergeant in the military; it's a massive difference in perspective from being just another worker with the boys.
Mace Windu is still alive!
Windu had one failing. Oddly, it was the same failing Anakin had. He had attachments. Unlike Anakin, his attachments were (as this video established early) two organizations. The thought of the Republic, or the Jedi Order being destroyed (rightly) terrified him.
In that one, pivotal moment, he allowed his attachments, his fear, the anger it brought, to lead him to violate his own personal code, as well as the Jedi code, and kill Palpatine instead of arresting him.
Just as Palpatine intended.
May the force be with you
Mace's greatest mistake was that he was impatient.
When Anakin told him that Palpatine was a Sith Lord, Mace should have realized he was being baited. He pulled a few masters with him to immediately confront Palpatine.
Instead, he should have alerted the Jedi Council and then go deal with Palpatine, so the Jedi would be on guard if Mace failed.
On the other hand... he gave Palpatine multiple chances when he could've just ended it.
One could even say he panicked a little bit
Also, Windu was so laser-focused on ending the threat Palpatine posed that he clearly did not consider the consequences the Jedi and the Republic would face because of his actions. If Windu struck Palpatine down, it's likely Palpatine would become a martyr because he was popular as Chancellor. With Palpatine dead and martyred as well as the Republic not able to function as it did before the Clone Wars, it is possible the Empire will rise anyway just without Palpatine in charge. Public opinion towards the Jedi was already suffering as the Clone Wars dragged on. Due to this, if Windu killed Palpatine, his actions would have turned the Jedi into pariahs across the Republic. Windu is a strong and capable Jedi, but I don't think he thought through his attempt on Palpatine's life.
I dont think he ultimately cared
Remember the look on his face when he swung that blade to kill sidious. I think he realized "as long as he is dead? We can live with the fallout"
There could be a possibility that The Jedi could prove of Palpatines treachery. Some members of the Senate like the Delegation of 2000 was very concerned of Palpatines growing power. The Jedi could end up finding proof of Palpatines treason and being the secret leader of the separatists. Anything could be possible if Mace killed palpatine.
@@AhsokaTano1999Palpatine did have a hidden lair hnderneath the senate Chambers and Windu almost found but the battle of couriscant happen taking him away from that.
Palpatine was always 10 moves ahead
My problem with Mace is that he is the epitome of Dogma, which is the core problem of the jedi order, rules without the why.
D&D terms he is LN rather than the Force's NG, which puts him at odds with the Force
He’s also a bit prideful and not willing to admit when he makes a mistake. *cough cough* Ahsoka *cough*
I mean he wasn’t wrong for being cautious about Anakin. But we never see him actually showing any belief that Anakin could become a great Jedi someday. You know, something a master on the high counsel should do for those lower ranking knights.
Chaotic Good 4 life!
Even if we apply his so called.shatterpoint ability and him seeing Anakin as THE shatterpoint, why wouldn't he try to befriend Anakin and try to guide him and show him brotherhood. I would say Anakin's biggest weakness that Palps exploited is he was never treated as a equal by the order aside from Obi Wan, and later Asohka. If he was properly accepted from the beginning he may not have even pursued padme. He was looking for acceptance outside of the order because he never got it.
I find it absolutely insane, that Windu is treated as a villian, while the guy who murdered children, you just come up with one excuse after another. Blaming everyone around, except him.
@KenpachiX420 he wasn't a villian, but he wasn't seen as a good person with how he treated people like Boba and Anakin
Yall do a really good job of giving space to each other in the discussion. Good podding!😊
still waiting for the yoda vs vader analysis
Damn thank you for keeping Star Wars alive for us guys. The amount of information we can squeeze out from past stories is truly impressive, and it shows the depth they Star Wars can go to.
It's refreshing to talk about that rather than how the newer stories suck and dissect the pitfalls of the writing.
Keep up the good work activists!
Only new canon main fans have such disdain for Mace Windu.. legends lore was more balanced but y’all dont know about that…
Best way to have saved Anakin. Go back to tatoeen and either buy or free his mom when Anakin was a kid
Omg you don’t know how many times I’ve said this
Him & the Council didn’t grant Annie the rank of master.
Because Anakin wanted power, and that’s not what the Jedi stand for. Mace Windu knew what it was like to want power, he could control and anakin couldn’t. That’s why he never trusted him and he wanted to test anakins mental stability and fortitude by denying him master and Anakin wanted power. Mace is heavily understood.
And sidious manipulation had a toll on anakin , because of the visions anakin was desperate now some Jedi during that scene thought that anakin was immature and all but sidious influence corrupted him which caused skywalker to influence for his dreams to come true
To be fair - Anakin should not have been a Jedi at all, at this point. You cannot be a Jedi and be married. So clearly even moreso he did not deserve the title of Master.
He wasn't ready for it yet to emotional
@@dereksims8513you are wrong the Jedi do stand with power because if they didn't mace wouldn't have told Dooku not to draw his saber when he was interrogating the senator who killed the Jedi when he was young. Jedi who starred with power want to stand with those who openly commit murder against Jedi because they don't want to understand that people do things bad.
Love your vids !
Mace not bringing Anakin to arrest Palpatine ends up being his achilles heel.
In in this case, I believe that Miss Wu just shows tough love and believe me when I say you rather see him do the tough love and not master Yoda because whenever he gets mad, he even scarier than me Mace widu in fact in Gotham, penguin tempted gym to do the same thing to Azrael and someone had to push Anakin’s buttons otherwise we wouldn’t get dark Vader. God bless you and Jesus loves you.
not "Miss Wu"😭😭
I don't like his treatment of Ahsoka, but he did nothing wrong as far as Anakin was concerned.
Mace was completely justified telling Anakin to stay behind (considering his friendship with Palpatine) and he was justified in using lethal force after Palps murdered three Jedi Masters. He never hated Anakin, he just recognized that Anakin was emotionally unstable.
Exactly. People are always saying if they’d just let Anakin be a Jedi master then he’d have never fully fallen to the dark side…but that’s not the point. Quite the opposite.
Jedi masters are supposed to be expert emotional regulators among other things and the council in general always said Anakin needed to learn to let go before he could be given the rank of master. Every time they said no, Anakin got more hurt and bitter. ..
So then people say, “should’ve let him be master then he wouldn’t have fallen to the dark side!”
But that’s no different than saying “you should just have let your child get whatever they wanted at the store…then they wouldn’t have thrown the tantrum. It’s your fault for telling your kid no so many times and sticking to the principle that your kid is now falling out having a fit in this Target”
lol like make it make sense.
@@admarshall2214 Yeah the way Anakin acted he knows he didn’t deserve it.
@@jaieregilmore971 neither were people like mace and yoda
Yes! Awesome video!
If Mace Windu is alive, I imagine he will be a broken shadow of his former self. He had his sword hand chopped off, lost his lightsaber, and he was electrocuted before being thrown out of a building and falling several stories down with nothing to grab onto with his remaining hand. If he somehow survived, I imagine Mace Windu would be physically and mentally broken due to this series of traumatic experiences. Also, his lightsaber style Vaapad brought him dangerously close to the dark side. What if his mind snapped from being betrayed and nearly dying and he slipped fully to the dark side? What if what happened to him in Revenge of the Sith was his breaking point? What do you think?
He's literally the Sith's Chosen One. Mace Windu is built different.
You had me in the SECOND half ngl
If I were a youngling, I’d want Mace Windu as my master. As you’ve said, he’s the epitome of the Jedi code. He is unwavering in his conviction. He didn’t hesitate to speak directly to what he saw in The Chosen One, even after all the exploits. He is fearless. Despite abiding under the shroud of darkness for a decade & never having seen a Sith in battle, the second they identified the Sith Lord that had manipulated and subdued the entire republic, he though, “I’ll just go arrest him. He can’t f@(k with me.” He was powerful enough to beat Sidious in single combat. A truly remarkable character. And yes they have to bring him back. He deserves his own trilogy. The Shatterpoint novel was amazing & I’d love to see more Windu on his home world.
There's a line in Attack of the Clones that sums up Mace's and Anakin's ideologies perfectly, and I'm referring to when Anakin says "If people can't be trusted to make the right choice, someone stronger should do it for them." Mace was never like that as a character in all rights he could of easily been able to follow that line of thinking, but ultimately he'd push people to make the right, moral decision and I want to say he did trust Anakin the look on his face when Anakin cuts his hand off that's not a look of anger, that's a look of confusion and bewilderment that can only really come from having trusted the person who just wronged you. But what do I know it's Star Wars maybe I'm over analyzing the scene.
I just got a t-shirt that says "if people can't be trusted with freedom, how can they be trusted with power?"
Wait... People think he did something wrong? TF...
Who are these people?
Ashoka simps
@@jamesharden3timedpoy466 low IQ
This was great man! Thanks for it! I 100% believe Mace did NOTHING wrong! At the end of the day, he was right about the needing to kill the chancellor, he was right about how dangerous he was, and he was right about Anakin. As much as I love Ani, he did turn to the dark side. Not only that, he turned his back on everything he loved including Padme, who wa the reason for it all! Mace gets an unnecessary amount of hate and he is still one of my favorites.
"Anakin's a good person." No he's not! Anakin murdered an entire village, including the women and children! Yes, he went to save his mother, but then he straight up escalated the situation, something police and military are trained not to do! He was unfit for the position of sword warrior in what was supposed to be a non repressive democracy. They should have set him and his mother up with a well pay textile job and maybe a basic education.
Mace wouldve saved the galaxxy if stupid Anakin didnt betray him at the last second
I did enjoy this video with you guys talking about mace. I have read the comics and the novels and not once was it ever stated that Mace Windu's body was ever found . If they were to bring me back I would like to see him in a pre Phantom Menace
Why does he need a trial I thought we were all in agreement that he's awesome
I completely agree with you. Anakin and Windu had many similarities. They wan same thing-peace,justice,honesty,unity. They just go about it different way. Windu served people not directly but he served them. He loved Republic but he didn't like or trust the Senate. This changes view about Mace. Windy had better understanding. I agree,if Anakin and Windu talked and work together they would undermine and destroy the Sith. May the Force be with you too😊
Windu is a man of principles and he knows the temptations of the Dark Side, but he still stood against the evils of the Galaxy and defend the people who relied on the Jedi Order.
Mace Windu maybe flaw but he was a good person if he was in the old republic he be the Jedi and republic champion he more of a stoic warrior.
YEEEEEES! The Jedi prosecutors and all Mace Windu prosecutors have been heard and overruled.
Windu was a fool. Once Windu knew Siddious was a Sith Lord as a Jedi, it was his duty to eliminate the Sith no matter what.
…he TRIED.
And that is exactly what he and 3 other top Jedi duellists went STRAIGHT AWAY to do, didn't he?
Mace Windu LIVES!
Man I love Mace Windu. He is my favorite Jedi from the Clone Wars era. I definitely think he was more hard on people than most but that doesn’t make him a bad guy. At the end of the day he would’ve killed Palps right there if it weren’t for Anakin and if people think that killing the master of the Sith was a bad thing or was against the way of the Jedi yall crazy. George Lucas purposely made Mace the exact opposite of Anakin and it is shown beautifully. I think Mace was blinded but his faith in the Republic rarher than having faith in the Force. But he wasnt only one to do this that is why the Jedi fell.
Everything Windu was is what Anakin should've been as a Jedi. Anakin didn't like Mace because he was a living reminder of what he should be in the order. Mace even refused to teach Anakin Vaapad because of his mental instability and ease of falling to the Dark side. Of which he was correct.
Had Anakin not been emotional and used the Force to guide him he wouldve seen through the lies. Helped Mace and kept his wife alive, thus saving the Jedi and bringing balance
Great dialogue
I love Mace. He is a BMF!
Gungan lifes matter
This is such a cool discussion! Thank you for the longer form video!
When thinking of Mace Windu, I have long seen parallels with Vrook Lamar. Both are strict, borderline authoritarian, and have an inflexible relationship with the Jedi Code. Vrook‘s sternness and unforgiving behavior with Revan and the Exile is harsh but informed by firsthand experience. Vrook experienced a galaxy on fire and ravaged by the Mandalorians and the Sith. However, Windu lived most of his life in a period of relative peace when the Sith threat was believed to be extinct, with the Rule of Two era being either a secret or a boogeyman-style rumor. Doesn’t Windu’s (early) behavior seem extreme given that he is largely reacting to hypotheticals?
Best Mace Windu video I have ever seen from any RUclips channel. Many thumbs up! Grateful you brought out such important points from the character.
That pat on the back from Mace was coming.
Excellent subject matter
Windu gave Anakin tough love.
People forgive Anakin way too much.
Another topic I would love to hear you tackle is what would Jango do if he survived Geonosis? Would he kill his own clones?
I love how often the Archivist makes Stupendous say "Interesting..."
Every time this happens, I learn a completely new perspective of how to look at the situations discussed.
Can y'all do a What if Mace Windu fight Anakin
Check out the Anakin vs Mace fight from the old Episode 3 videogame.
@TailAbNormal I'm talking power level not on a plot armor bullshit
@@sebastianolvera6923? It's literally a "what if" in a video game. Weirdo.
@@watchmesquatch I'm talking about in their format cause they haven't done their series like that for the past 7-8 years
If you want to critique Mace for his desire to eliminate palatine then I demand you convict and imprison Anakin for what he did to Count Dooku
Its amazing how many people have such a deep love and amazing comprehension of star wars and what it truely is yet disney seemingly only ever hires people who have neither to write its new stories.
Ah yes Mace Windu one of my favorite characters like dude is SUPER powerful I think people sometimes forget that, like think about it he has Vaapad and mastered it Wich is EXTREMELY difficult hes literally the only one who can use it properly without falling to the dark side AND he also has a rare super powerful Force ability Shatterpoint and he has very strong force powers like dude Force crushed General grievous lungs and defeated palpatine one on one (I don't care what anyone says he 100 percent beat palpatine)
Acolytes of the force? Due to recent events, perhaps a new intro?
Nah the phrase is still awesome, and the term is older than the show. So I personally wouldn’t have him change it, in my opinion. Even if the show sucks
Agreed. Acolyte is a slur now. Call us Padawans
I like the Archivist. You should put him in the video title! Also does he have a channel?
"One of the smartest Jedis on the era" - what a statement. Four councils were in operation at the era, including the High council with 12 senior permanent members, but no one was able to even scent Palpatine, and after all he done during the clone wars, was a Sith. The Jedi order was to blame itself for its fall, including masters like Windu - he would have defeated Palpatine if for years he have not pushed away and bullied Anakin for years and years, being a major ally of Palpatine on turning him to the dark side. If he had behaved otherwise he wouldn't had his arm cut and "lightned" out of the window. I stand with him Palpatine was too much of a danger to be kept alive, no doubt; but hey, Anakin was disrespectful, arrogant, not rules follower, but here it's ok for a master of the High council, the main one, to break the Jedi code - so interesting... What would Qui-Gon would think of this? Not much (first he's dead and still nobody knows he was able to retain is individuality after death), as he always avoided bureaucrats and dogmatic hard headed masters, more worried in creating even more rules than to look, for instance, beyond Curoscant and the horrible things happening in the Galaxy (even some in Coruscant) like say drug dealings, criminal powerful cartels oppressing common people (wouldn't be jedi "work"?), grassing slavery (also should be a jedi concern judging by their code), and many other abuses. But well, he did nothing wrong... correct maybe for the outdated, bureaucratized, militarized (reason why so many jedi left the order after the start of the clone wars) against their own code... it was a crap and a disgrace waiting to happen sooner or later their downfall; and so it did, greatly thanks, not only but also, high majestic and correct jedi masters like Windu. How I do miss Qui-Gon, but plot armor left us with windu and kenobi training anaking instead of qui-gon jinn. Cheers. This is a video not to like, but is normal inside a universe of so many already published.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mace Windu's apprentice only fell to the dark side because she (if I'm not mistaken?) Wasn't strong enought to handle Vapaad?
In part but it was also because of what she experience on Harun Khal. The jungle planet broke her
@@BucketThinkTank14657Nerd Oh ok, thanks for the info. 💯✊🏾
the fans are harsh on mace. bc they followed anakin. relying on what he said after padma confronted him.
the jedi can't save you, only my new powers can. he wanted power more than to save her. mace was in the right😊
Very underrated character who gets too much hate from fans.
Hate? Who hates on him?
@@pingamalingasee internet..
I use to have a love- hate relationship Mace Windu when it came to his attitude towards other people(Anakin especially) even though he is one of my favorite Jedi. But I realized he's more layered than that and had reasons for acting the way he does. Even if his attitude annoys me sometimes, I still appreciate and love the character.
Ironically for the past few years, Ki-Adi Mundi has taken Mace's place as the worst jedi of the clone wars era for his behavior in regards to the Jedi teachings. Especially if you take his EU lore into account.
Windu was right the whole time about their beloved anakin this is the era of no accountability of one's own actions who every they like can't be wrong no matter what they do.
Ok Mindi also had exceptions granted for him so he was hypocritical
Excellent debate. I'm for Mace all the way. Yes, he will be brought back and his role while brief will be integral somehow...
I do agree Windu is largely misunderstood chacter but he should at least be more kinder to Anakin as a child and served as well meaning stern understanding uncle figure. Anakin was someone who need a father, a brother, an uncle and a grandfather figure at the same time not just one them to help him be the best Jedi he could be. He only got older brother in Obi-wan while having the father figure in THE enemy and Yoda did at least have some grandfatherly moments with him but not enough while Windu in someway like the rest of the council at most very little to help part of Jedi Order.
People say Anakin need a father not a brother they are not internally corected he needed Qui-gon as the father, he also need Obi-wan as brother, but aside the original movie for the moment, why would the Force lead Qui-gon and Obi-wan to Anakin together why not just lead the master on his own? Qui-gon will teach Anakin how truily fallow the will of the Force while Obi-wan would do his best teach him to take a more grounded view of things.
Qui-gon would have been the best master for Anakin but his biggest problem was that he tursted the Force so much and lived in the moment he forgot to think on his own judgement in the long term reality. In way Obi-wan points this out when Darth Maul kill in their dual.
I always liked Mace not my favorite but still had mad respect for him being untrusting of Anakin and being able to go toe to toe with Palpatine. I dont get the argument of Mace holding responsibility for the way Anakin turned out. He treated Anakin like he would any other jedi he didnt coddle him for being the supposed chosen one. Anakin was arrogant himself something the two had in common but where they differed is that arrogance led Anakin to break rules constantly one being marriage which was the REAL thing that turned. If Palpatine didnt have that to hold over his head i believe Anakin wouldnt have interfered with the execution. Maces arrogance was linked to his faith and confidence in the jedi he still obeyed there rules he simply was blinded to the possibility of sith returning. Yet he still was willing to face and capable of holding his own once there was no disputing there existence.
Anakin's actions in Episode II was why he was denied the rank of Master near the end of the Clone Wars? He led Padme from Naboo to Tatooine putting his mission and her in immediate danger? R2 had to save her in the Genosian droid factory? His attempt to rescue Kenobi on Geonosis was a direct disobedience of Mace Windu's order to stay on Tattoine.. this led to a failed rescue attempt as many Jedi died and were overwhelmed by the Droid armies and Grievous off screen
I'm taking refuge from the acolyte thank God we still have good content of Star wars being pumped out...life saver
Really enjoyable conversation, I probably won't give him the chance to surrender if I was in mace's shoe's 👍
Yeah, i feel like a lot of people write windu off because he was just a dick to our boy Ani. Divulge in other shit besides the clone wars and go read some books. Mainly the shatter point novel, amazing read
Mace Windu could have treated Anakin better, but Skywalker shouldn't have been in the Jedi Order to begin with. It was sad he was a slave, it was good he was freed, free them all, but the boy was still dangerous. He needed therapy, not combat training and access to the energy field binding the galaxy together! It's Qui Gon's fault for making Obi Wan swear to train the menace with his dying breath.
That is more hypocrisy on Anakin about killing Dooku! The count was unarmed and no threat to Anakin life. Mace was fighting for his life with Palpatine. He tried multiple times to kill Wndu. Only foolish people believe Windu was wrong for wanting to Palpatine. Remember, Mace sense a plot to destroy the Jedi aka order 66 after sending Anakin to report to Palpatine. From that moment to fighting Palpatine in his office, Mace force sense was intuned with everything. I believe he was seeing the future with Palpatine as emperor and etc. When, Palpatine wouldn't stop trying to kill him, he understood, Palpatine was too dangerous to be left alive becauce he had control of courts, senate and etc. At that the moment, Mace knew what need to be done which was to kill Palpatine.
I thought it was said int Shatter Point book, that Mace actually enjoyed the fight ...
But he disliked it about himself and was trying really hard to supress this side of himself.
Those Star Wars theories make me a better men.
7:43 When did ballaba turn to the dark side? Because I thought she was a Jedi master by the time of order 66
In the novel Shatterpoint she fell but it was pre-TCW/Rebels. Rebels later retconned so she was Kanan’s master
Problem with Windu ,as with rest of the Jedi , was playing checkers while Palpatine was playing 3d chess
I wouldn’t go so far as to call Mace a villain or a bad guy but I think he’s a bit misguided practically when it comes to Anakin. I think had he taken more time to interact and gotten to know Anakin things would be way different. That’s a common theme with “perfect Jedi” they all have the right mindset and intentions but they adhere to strictly to the Code that they ultimately become blind to the plights of themselves and especially others close to them when intervention or correction is absolutely necessary.
Love me some Mace. Such a great character.
And a flawed man. He did wrong
One of my favorite Jedi, I wish he was in the movies more, but I get it.
unless being a sith is a crime by the republic than windu was vastly over reaching in his powers
It actually was for some time but you’re forgetting that windu had learned that palpatine was playing both sides of the clone wars
Mace Windu:
“The Jedi are keepers of the peace. Not warriors.”
Palpatine:
“I will not let this Republic that has for a 1,000 years be divided.”
Goes on to discuss the why’s and how’s about starting a war and waging a war that didn’t need to be, of commandeering a clone army that was raised in secret under questionable circumstances, ignoring the ethics or how it contradicts the Jedi code, in order to launch a preemptive strike on a factory of a planet that lies outside of Republic jurisdiction where they are building a droid army in secret in case things breakdown into a war, which would be seen as an act of war and give the separatists reason to break from the Republic. And they do this despite learning more concerning issues about the clones and feeling the Darkside surrounding the Chancellor after learning that there might also be a Sith Lord within the Senate, that they are looking for,.. AND while knowing that a major war, a galaxy wide civil war would bring massive destruction, death and suffering across the galaxy. (Not to mention that the Chancellor seems to be confused about the history of the Republic, which has been around for 25,000 years, but the 1,000 year narrative plays into what a Sith views on it’s history.)
Mace had every reason not to commit to war and to push for a diplomatic solution, and ignored that to go play general.
Thank you for this video, all the hate that Windu get is truly sad. He is still my favorite jedi with Luke coming in second 😅.
The council needed to ask themselves one question: Was it more dangerous to train Anakin or leave him untrained, with all his raw power, for the sith to find and train him instead?
If Qui Gon was alive, he would have left the Jedi Order to train Anakin. If the Jedi didn’t accept Qui Gon’s dying wish, Palpatine would have gotten Anakin much sooner.
@@Vietmac1993 maybe
The problem is not what Windu did to Palpetine. It’s what he stood for as A Jedi and how much he represented the worst in them.
Do Thrawn on Trial
Which version?
@@betterlatethannever4529 can do both
Jus so yall know i been waiting to see Windu get put on trial as a character for so long after hearing the arguments of fans that are coping don’t get me wrong Mace Windu is a really cool character undeniably but he was never really a likeable one in my eyes led alone relateable and i don’t think Windu being a Jedi Master to train Anakin would not be the best scenario they are literally opposites of one another they may not have been enemies but they sure as hell were rivals from start to finish
Most critiques of Mace is rooted in him being the main Jedi Master against Anakin's promotion to Master, yet few fail to realize Anakin's destiny wasn't changing and I'm sure through use of his vapad Shatterpoint capabilities he saw or felt this
Anakin was always going to bring balance to the Force by ridding the many dogmatic Jedi whom dwarfed the Sith in influence at the time and (well pre-Disney) defeating Darth Sidious, whom expanded his Sith empire across the galaxy. Anakin likely would have defected from the Jedi like Revan and others or caused a split faction in the Jedi Order of those who rebelled against how dogmatic and even gluttonous the Jedi had become
Mace not heeding Anakin's warning about Palpatine is a reasonable mistake most would have made because Palpatine's political and military reach already extended to all the known galaxy
What a great look at a Mace. I do agree he was misunderstood
I guess we could have cuddled Anakin and let him do a reach around.
Two yips and a woof!
There was no more desirable outcome with Anakin other than Windu immediately beheading Palpatine with no hesitation like Jango Fett. Eliminating Palapatine would have forced Anakin on an alternate path that wouldn’t have included becoming a Sith PERIOD.
In fact Anakin may have even convinced the council to create space between themselves Nd the Republic to better serve the greater good. And do things like dismantles the Hut slave industry that almost ground Anakin into dust.
I honestly think in the reign of palpatine mace windu was the only one with his head stripped on properly where the other ones were blinded to to the obvious clouded deception at the Sith had over them mace windu was always suspicious of the chancellor not to mention he was the only one that actually rightfully disagreed with the training of a child that was so much older than they should have been don't get me wrong Yoda also saw that the child was too emotional but mace windu was specifically steadfast in stating that no this child has a connection that is too strong to break it will be the death of him and it will be the death of us but the Jedi didn't listen clearly
Legally? No. He did everything right. But he was definitely a factor for the fall of the Jedi
Why do they always make his lightsaber pink?
Mace Windu is Dwight. Anakin is Andy.
About time windu gets some respect Star Wars fans be hate’n on him too much
The idealistic conflict between Windu and Anakin thematically fits as a debate over the worth of the soul vs the worth of the whole. Where Anakin will value the individual good over the greater good, Windu values the greater good over the individual good.
Even if Windu knew the details behind Anakin’s inner turmoil, he would have asserted that the loss of Padme is ultimately worth the survival of the Republic and the Jedi Order.
Windu’s flaw is that he values the whole to a fault. If your emphasis on the greater good continually comes at the expense of each individual in need, eventually there will be no greater good left to serve.
Why didn't count dooku have yellow sith eyes?
Because he was never fully "evil." He even tried to warn Obi about Darth Sidious.
I feel jango fet did nothing wrong. Jest a simple man trying to make his way through the galaxy
When you continuously show someone that you don't trust them: you push them away. Mace is incapable of/too prideful to admit when he's wrong. There were times where all he had to do was trust Anakin but instead he placed rules and mandates above people.
What about Mace's brother?
What about Ahsoka trial that only Anakin rescue her about not being the Killer. Then when that was done Mace said to Ahsoka the force works in mysteries ways, which that is trash and Ahsoka could of died by penalty by death from the military.