@@Guillotines_For_Globalists nice trick isn’t it. Make sure bottom of the wire has small bent portion in the same orientation of the top bent portion. This will help you identify the direction of the obstruction
Yes but need to make a much smaller hole. Just big enough for the wire to fit. If you hit a obstruction and cant use that location then you have a big hole to fix.
I can not thank you enough for being honest and show that you have problems with installations like I do! I hate it when I watch any kind of videos on how to do something, and first of all always so the simplest thing and never have any problems whatsoever... And I am almost certain that if they do they probably edit it out. Now I don’t feel so stupid and inadequate when stuff doesn’t go quite so smoothly...Thank you....
I'm really enjoying watching you guys, I had a remodeling business ,mostly room additions and bath remodels. My Dad taught me a lot .then he was my only employee for 13 years. We had so much fun and got into some crazy projects and situations and him getting me out of those is what I miss a lot lost him 4 years ago. Brings back a lot of great memory's watching you. And still learning a few things along the way. Thanks guys.
I worked with my dad doing side work renovations until I was 15. He passed away but everytime you say bud I just think man this is the dad everyone wants. Good team and great videos.
"The crown was moulding", such a DAD joke that dad didn't get lol. You guys are great. I worked with my father for over 20 years and had the privilege to have my son work with me this past summer! Good stuff!
My dad was a physicist and taught me so much. He focused on how to do home repairs such as soldering pipe, wiring, replacing rotted window sills, etc. I found your channel a couple weeks ago and have enjoyed all the tips, especially the drywalling and floor work. Paul, your rapport with Jordan is priceless. And I like the music background chosen. Keep up the great work and I look forward to the next video release!
Just an FYI, the electrical box/duct connector assembly comes completely off the fan housing. This allows you to completely install the assembly with the wiring and duct. Then grab the fan, slide into place and install the screw so it holds the fan in place so you don't need 3 hands as you mentioned in the video. There is another great product out there to consider using that is able to overcome high pressure when installing flex duct through and over joists. It helps give you confidence that the fan is still moving 110 CFM even after installation. (Model Number: SP-AP0511W-1 or SP-AP0511WL-1) Thanks for the video!
I would have been swearing and throwing things after the first failure, so the fact that you both stay calm the entire time is just amazing. But that’s why you got the work done and I’m sitting here wondering about my life instead of installing my bathroom fan.
This series is amazing and it shows how quickly a small renovation turns into a large one when you run into the unexpected. These videos are pretty long compared to what you normally find on youtube, but they give so much detail on the thought process and issues that you run into when doing this type of work that it is totally worth it. I'm in the middle of a a very similar complete bath remodel myself. I understand a lot of the pain in these videos and have gotten some good tip/ideas from them too.
That still won help. Seeing seasoned guys (like these two) work, makes everything seem super easy. They never take into account the twenty/ thirty plus years of doing this stuff day in and day out that got them to where they’re at now.
I love the presentation of this video. I'm glad you're showing all your challenges and the trial and error it takes to get this project done. Also love the calm demeanor and your guys' sense of humor.
What I like about your videos is that you show the real world problems that come up during just about any project. I had an old school guy that taught me everything and when I would explain a problem I ran into he would say "figure it out and get it done"...
Great tip with the bent wire to check for framing on the back side of the hole! I noticed with the camera shot of that soffit (6:52) a 14/2 wire going between a framing member and the sheet roofing... would probably be a good idea if there is enough slack to reroute it around the end of the truss to prevent a roofer from putting a nail thru it.
Spent more money on a vent to avoid going into attic, just to find out you have to go into the attic. Sounds like my luck. This is why you always plan ahead before starting even the smallest jobs. Good work guys!
The exhaust fan only prevents moisture problems if people remember to use it. Leviton makes a humidity sensing switch that automatically runs the fan for a programmable amount of time. I put one in my house because we were having mold issues and it's been great. I highly recommend it.
@@dwsolberg you can program it to behave however you want. It also gives manual control. Time will tell how long it lasts, but it wasn't overly expensive. I won't be heart broken if it fails. For now, I'm glad to not have to worry about moisture issues in the bathroom.
Over complicated with more parts that are likely to fail. With everything being made by children and slaves in china, it's best to keep everything as simple as possible.
Thanks for the video showing the trouble-shooting you have to do in renovations. And that sliding insert to allow fan installation is new to me, so thanks again. Your son is learning from a pro!
Just discovered this channel a couple days ago, after binge watching a bunch of videos all I can say is man this is probably the best construction/renovation channel on RUclips. Learn something new every video.
The design of that exhaust fan is GENIUS!!!! I've seen a lot of those easy install designs that suck, and actually make it harder to install than just climbing into the attack. But that one, that is the shit.
Nice job guy,s. Bath fans are ALWAYS a major pain. The only tried and true way unfortunatly is to go thru the roof. Yes it is expensive but..,the customer needs to know this.
I had a similar issue running a 4 inch duct from the outside to the fan bu wouldn’t fit so I had to use a 3 inch duct instead. Y’all do excellent work. I’ve learned a lot from you.
Great video. I like the wrong hole being repurposed for a soffit vent. Nothing ever goes completely as one hopes it will. I replaced a bath fan and light with a supposedly identical fan. I got it in, but had to do some modifications and cut the crap out of my thumb using my utility knife!
Just another great video. I like how you show the problems encountered in ducting the fan properly. Most fans I see aren’t even ducted. Keep up the great work. 👍🏼
Tricks! Experience comes through in the "tricks"! I sure appreciate seeing al this. The freaking internet again, AND OF COURSE, skilled experienced ethical workers like you folks. (I see so many of my own trials here, and I love the way you guys find ways to make it work. It's innovation and "thinking" and whatever it takes to do it right.)
Ok I have to agree, showing the problems that you could encounter is awesome. To many videos do not show that. Sometimes you have to do in order to learn.
You guys are the best!! I have learned so much watching your videos! Especially appreciate seeing how you solve the problems that are typical when doing remodeling! Thank You!!!
My house is 75 years old. I just did an economy remodel on the upstairs bathroom. Worst part of the job? You guessed it putting a new larger CFM fan in. Nice work around on this one guys!
Ran into this EXACT same situation with my house - vaulted ceiling in my Master Bedroom - BOTH original (1978) vent fans in the bathrooms exhausting straight into insulation. (..been avoiding this project since last year, finally got the motivation and determination to get it done TODAY.) Was a lot of fun trying to get the vent down into the soffit by myself; had to extend the wiring, and the Panasonic unit JUUUUSSTT barely fit in the space....y'all's video was a big help. Thanks!
I do hvac for a living. Roof vents are pretty easy and you guys are very skilled. I believe in yall to get it done! You just trace you're penatraion hole in the roof where is cuts through two layers or shingles Cut it out with a Sawzall or a jig saw. Then you use a Sawzall or a long knife to separated the two layers of shingles the penatraion disecs calk around the hole on under the upper layer of shingles (not the lower level), slide your roof jack in there, put one nail on the left and right eaither through the beed of cualk or inside to protect it from the rain then caulk the heads of the nails and then layer the upper layer of shingles down and add a beed of caulk to where the upper layer meets the roof jack. No caulking on the lower lever ever. It traps water
I recently decided to replace a bathroom fan because it didn’t move any air. Not only was it completely ductless in the attic, and buried under 9” of blown insulation, but the factory packing tape still had the flap taped shut!! From 1978 to 2021 this vent fan was 100% completely useless. Lazy builders not doing it right can cause problems for literally decades! I’m glad to see you doing things the right way, and thanks for sharing it with us!
Man it's the worst when u get stuck with these stupid little problems that seem to burn up a whole day so frustrating ran into countless issues like that on my last bathroom reno. Get yourself some laminate blades for that jig they cut on the downstroke they'll prevent tear out on those brittle materials
Yeah. I imagine the steamy moist air from the bathroom will cool off especially on cold days as it travels through the vent tube and collect in the ribs of that dryer ducting.
Here in NW Ohio, most contractors do not use insulated duct for bathroom exhaust. I understand what both of you are saying I many professionals, including building inspectors, say it is not worth it to use insulated ductwork for there because there just it would be extreme circumstance where you would have that duct start dripping like you guys think it would. Me personally, I bury the duct in or lay extra insulation on top of it (not pack it in) just to keep it pseudo controlled.
I made a mistake Installing a vent with a valley in it with too much slack, and so much water was in the pipe I had to get a bucket to pour it out. Now I make sure the pipe has plenty of slope.
Thank you for the close up of the soffit exhaust vent that you used-my newest adventure in fixing up my home is the smell in the downstairs bathroom (clean, dry, seldom used at this point)--it took us 3 days to figure out that it was actually coming from the exhaust fan vent--we were "sure is was mold somewhere") The person putting the vent in years ago used a dryer vent (with regular duct tape that had fallen off over time) with no screen blockage for mice,,,,the rest is probably self explanatory--we will have to open the joist space to clean out in the near future-but it is cleaned out a bit and covered--smell gone! Your videos have been so helpful and I really enjoy watching you work with your son-thank you!!
4:40 in. the tip about checking for hidden obstructions using that bent wire ws amazing. Top tip of 2021 for me. I'm gonna use that neat trick. loving the way you guys work together, and very informative. as an old school joiner its amazing how you can still learn tips and tricks. keep up the videos
Aside from the ductwork needing to be insulated to prevent any condensation issues, I've always heard that you're never supposed to vent into a soffit. If the soffit's vented correctly it will pull all the moisture you're trying to exhaust out of the house, right back into the attic creating mold issues.
Yeah, This Old House mentioned it too. It looks like they only have soffit vents maybe every 20 feet or so, so I think they're good as long as that new bath vent is far enough away from the other soffit vents.
I think it depends on the climate. It probably doesn't get cold enough in Florida to encounter condensation issues from uninsulated ducting. And the vented air is probably equally as humid as the outside muggy air 😂. But yeah, I would never vent out the soffit personally. When I fix something, I like it to stay fixed forever.
Excellent snapshot capturing the realities of home improvement projects; that is, careful decisions, strategies, compromises, and things inevitably going wrong now and then. It's great how you can work with your son so well; I'm lucky to be in a similar situation and it's a real gift. Here's a bit of unsolicited advice if you don't mind: for someone with your abilities, cutting a hole, lifting and trimming a few shingles to install a roof cap would not be a problem. Do it once and you'll get to the top of the learning curve sooner than you'd think.
0:34 I got the joke 😂😂😂😂, dad's reaction was priceless. Here i am with corona, since I can't go any where I'll be watching a lot of your videos. Awesome stuff!
Should that vent pipe be insulated? Will it sweat and leak condensation in the attic? Tom Silva always changes those flex pipes to insulated because of mold in the attic.
If it was metal, it might sweat a little. I'm a 71 year young remodeler still going strong that loves quality work. Paul is doing the very best under the circumstances he's facing. The ideal venting system would be insulated smooth pipe . The only way to obtain this is to remove a lot of drywall . The homeowners most likely wouldn't want to pay for this. Believe me Tom Silva couldn't do any better. I quit watching Tom Silva shows a long time a go, they're to sugar coated.
Absolutely! I was just going to make a similar comment. If it had only passed through conditioned spaces, it would not be necessary to use insulated duct for that.
We use insulated flex pipe. We’ve learned this the hard way. You can very easily get significant condensation and moisture issues if the vent duct is uninsulated in an uninsulated space.
The split portion of the fan allows you to put the vent on the exhaust, tape it up and position it inside drywall cutout, then slide the main body of the fan up to reconnect the two halves together.
The crown moulding joke was funny. I know that feeling when a job becomes “ Personal “. I’ve had a few in my career. Always enjoy watching a father son work crew that respects each other and their respective talents. My son worked with me for six years in the HVAC trade. He left to become a policeman. St Enjoyed my time working with him.
Got to say this is pretty typical of bathroom fan replacements (or additions), they're always a pain. Keep up the great videos. You guys are are fun to watch and have some nice little tricks
Just a small thing - I was surprised to see the light (and fan) switches on the wall of the shower. Code in my area requires that you cannot reach any electricals (light switches, plugs, etc.) while standing in the shower - just in case there's a fault that could, when your hands are wet, cause an electrocution. (If you've ever seen a bathroom where all the switches are outside the room, this may be why :). Especially after all that work you did fixing the bridged neutrals, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Love your videos!!
Not 100% sure but I believe the shower door goes back up on the side of that wall so it would prevent anyone being able to reach those electricals while in the shower
@@JCole_actually I took a close look too and I agree. The fixed panel of the glass will go where the wires are. No way he would make the mistake suggested.
Nice job! Our house (built 1959) has the fans just exhaust into some metal capture contraption. I was thinking about running flex ducting with the new fan up to the whirly bird on the roof (which is open to the atmosphere and I can see daylight)? SoCal never gets cold if that matters. Thank you.
As usual you guys were able to get it done and now your exhausted!! I think it’s important to note that in some areas the flex duct is NOT allowed and if possible I try never to use it. Again every area has different building codes so it’s all a matter of what applies to where you are working. And yes some of the other comments are accurate...the flex hose seems to accumulate condensate in the coil pockets.
Came to RUclips to see how hard it would be to install a ceiling fan in my house. It isn't vented outside, just into the attid and to my knowledge has been that way since the house built back in the 70's. Now I know how to install a vent without having to get into the attic. I've got a straight shot to a soffet ... just need to figure out how to deal with aluminum soffets. As always, Stud Pack delivers!
I don't know if you laughed at your son's pun about the crown molding after filming but you should have. That was pretty funny, and quick witted! Great video. I've been a furniture and cabinet maker for well over thirty years, but I also get several commissions to do remodels. I have some tricks up my sleeves but am a life long learner. you guys are a blast and a pleasure to watch. I am actually learning a lot from this channel. You ask your subscribers to let you know if they want to see videos about specific topics. What ever topic you choose, it's gonna be good. Your presentation, methods, and clarity are excellent!
Your video reminded me of what always happens to me: "That didn't work. Let me try this. That didn't work either, but I have another idea..." The additional vent for the soffit was an excellent recovery from a "6 inch hole" mistake. Such is remodeling and improvements...
Great work and awesome preserverence. Y'all came up with good solutions in the end. You two both have the skills to punch through the roof next time and lift up and resecure a few shingles. Keep up the good work. Awesome camera skills for the multiple obstacles
That pun totally went over your head lol. I think it's worth mentioning that you could vent through the eave because there wasn't any soffit vent there.
Nice to see an honest video- warts and all. Your idea of putting in a soffit vent for the xtra hole in the eaves was excellent. I was wondering how you'd fix that hole.
Many years ago, I installed a fan assembly in one of my bathrooms. I utilised much better flex ducting than what you got. I routed it out the back wall off the house via the attic. The stuff I used was insulated to prevent any condensation in the attic area. The temperature differential between the bathroom and attic will cause some condensation if not insulated. It came in the correct diameter of the fan’s exhaust in 25 foot lengths. Furthermore my attic has the required roll insulation plus several inches of blown in. Never had any issue of this fan or others I’ve installed. FYI
I'm loving that crimping tool! I saw one in some ones tool box and didn't know what it was. Wow do I eel competent. 2 people all day for one bathroom exhaust. That's an expensive fan. I've been in the same situation but I cut holes in the ceiling and cut outs in the joist joist. More work, less frustration and I'm pretty good at plastering. Next week I have to replace an old noisy fan, I hope it goes easy.
Great video - nicely shot... nicely explained. honest work! I learned a few tricks/tips from you in this video. Thanks! BUT, I thought I'd give a tip about that Panasonic fan. I love them. I've got 2 of them. The metal vent / electrical part you slid out of the way is actually meant to come completely off and connected first (to both the vent and electrical - which is real easy when the whole unit is not in the way!) and then it is screwed to the frame you installed first. Then you simply slide the black housing into the frame and it marries up nicely with the metal part you just finished connecting and screwing to the frame. You then screw the black housing to the frame to hold it in (just like you did). You then connect(plug in) the electrical plug and put that little screw back in which holds the metal part to the black housing tight again. A great design by Panasonic. I will never buy a different kind of fan again! Easy to install in a new build and just as easy to install as a replacement like you. (BTW loved your other video on the neutral wiring problem - that's how I found you.) Keep up the great work!
I feel your pain..... had similar issue with our bathroom. 2 storey house with a tiny access between the floors to run the ducting and plenty of obstructions !!!
Love your videos. Really making me want to start a construction business with my son (he’s 15 now). I think you should have punched through the roof. It’s a better way to exhaust moisture compared to soffit exhaust, but I get the challenge of going through the roof. I used to avoid it until last fall I was forced to exhaust a kitchen vent hood through the roof. The process seemed daunting, but after I did it...I was shocked at how easy it really was (no leaks a year out). My hesitation to roof work is heights and the pitch of a roof. Either way... great job and excellent problem solving along the way! I’d definitely hire you guys if I wasn’t such a DIYer!
Do the construction company with your son. My dad and I run a company together, and it’s the greatest thing ever. We each bring our specific skills to the company. He has a lot more experience building new homes than me, and is infinitely better with communication and scheduling/x’s and o’s, but I am much better with the precision craftsmanship, intricate problem solving, etc. And I couldn’t do it without him, and he couldn’t do it without me. He and his brother had a home building company when I was a child that failed. I’m pretty proud to know that he and I have been successful for over the past decade, and have no signs of slowing down with the exception of the apocalypse. We look out for each other, and love to listen to each other’s ideas to come to the best solutions. I think father/son teams are where it’s at, man.
i like those sofit fan vents better than anything thru the roof. Up here in pa the vents tend to get snowed over and dont work in the winter. i like how that fan mounted.
Hi guys. Love your videos. Quick question. That fan duct was not insulated. I don't know what climate you're in there, but I had a huge issue with an upstairs bathroom vent freezing up in the winter in Michigan. Should you have run insulated duct? And by the way, I'd love to see more videos regarding electrical circuits that you would find in a remodel. Keep up the good work!
You definently will have a problem with water in that flex hose. I think I had maybe 14 ft installed. After 6 months I notices spots on my bedroom ceiling. Sure enough it was pockets of condensation inside the flex hose. Plus the kidos like to take hot foggy showers Lol. So i hired a roofer. He went straight up to the roof. Now it works even better! Just a thought👍
I live in the south and don't know if that makes a difference but I installed my exhaust through the gable, used the more rigid aluminum flex, and made sure there the duct had a slope to the outside. I run my fan long enough to pretty much dry any potential moisture in the duct. No issues at all, plus no roof penetrations to worry about, which my was biggest concern. Had a kitchen hood exhaust roof vent start pouring 5 years after reroofing and ruined the ceiling in my kitchen. No more through roof vents if not absolutely necessary.
3:00 Another tool that I like that works for stuff like that, "flex shaft mechanical pick up tool". Like an adult version of those claw toys we used to have... Use them to reach down into engine bays and grab bolts and things similar. Would have worked great to reach in there and grab ahold (with enough force to grip) of the wire and bring it to him.
In preparation to sell our house 2yrs ago I had to replace the exhaust fan in the master bathroom. I was shocked to see the original fan installed just as you described, no hose and exhaust port was butted up against insulation. Lived in that house for 12 years and to think of all the moisture that was just blowing into the attic.
The soffit vents will allow moist air to be drawn into the ventilated soffit (If used) and possibly cause mold and mildew problems in your attic. No the best option in my opinion. But in this scenario there isn't ventilated soffit. Another issue is in a cold climate insulated duct should be used to avoid condensation inside the duct. Good video.
Great Job. Now do you have a video when working on a brick home to install a bathroom ventilation system? . How would you run Vent through the brick wall. How could you vent bathroom through brick wall & not allow insects to enter vent system?
At 5:00, I really like that wire trick to check if you have clearance for the large hole.
I will remember that trick forever.
@@Guillotines_For_Globalists nice trick isn’t it. Make sure bottom of the wire has small bent portion in the same orientation of the top bent portion. This will help you identify the direction of the obstruction
Yes but need to make a much smaller hole. Just big enough for the wire to fit. If you hit a obstruction and cant use that location then you have a big hole to fix.
I can not thank you enough for being honest and show that you have problems with installations like I do! I hate it when I watch any kind of videos on how to do something, and first of all always so the simplest thing and never have any problems whatsoever... And I am almost certain that if they do they probably edit it out. Now I don’t feel so stupid and inadequate when stuff doesn’t go quite so smoothly...Thank you....
I love this wholesome father/son relationship. My dad and I remodeled houses growing up and now I own rental houses. Good papa you are!!
I'm really enjoying watching you guys, I had a remodeling business ,mostly room additions and bath remodels. My Dad taught me a lot .then he was my only employee for 13 years. We had so much fun and got into some crazy projects and situations and him getting me out of those is what I miss a lot lost him 4 years ago. Brings back a lot of great memory's watching you. And still learning a few things along the way. Thanks guys.
I worked with my dad doing side work renovations until I was 15. He passed away but everytime you say bud I just think man this is the dad everyone wants.
Good team and great videos.
Thx a million Shawn, love that 👍👍
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"The crown was moulding", such a DAD joke that dad didn't get lol. You guys are great. I worked with my father for over 20 years and had the privilege to have my son work with me this past summer! Good stuff!
That "Oh" from Paul sounded like a "Boy, I'm about to whoop your ass" 😂
I hit the Like button as soon as I heard the joke and the "Oh" from Paul! I'm still laughing!!!! :)
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It amazes me the calm demeanor you both have. God bless you both!!
I like how you guys show the setbacks and the thought process of trying to figure it out even if it doesn’t end up working out.
Dad joke went over Dads head! 🤣. I hope this channel blows up in 2021
My dad was a physicist and taught me so much. He focused on how to do home repairs such as soldering pipe, wiring, replacing rotted window sills, etc. I found your channel a couple weeks ago and have enjoyed all the tips, especially the drywalling and floor work. Paul, your rapport with Jordan is priceless. And I like the music background chosen. Keep up the great work and I look forward to the next video release!
Thank you Robert! We appreciate that very much 👍
Just an FYI, the electrical box/duct connector assembly comes completely off the fan housing. This allows you to completely install the assembly with the wiring and duct. Then grab the fan, slide into place and install the screw so it holds the fan in place so you don't need 3 hands as you mentioned in the video.
There is another great product out there to consider using that is able to overcome high pressure when installing flex duct through and over joists. It helps give you confidence that the fan is still moving 110 CFM even after installation. (Model Number: SP-AP0511W-1 or SP-AP0511WL-1)
Thanks for the video!
I would have been swearing and throwing things after the first failure, so the fact that you both stay calm the entire time is just amazing. But that’s why you got the work done and I’m sitting here wondering about my life instead of installing my bathroom fan.
Just had a fan/heater go out. I dread replacing it. I'd rather have my wisdom teeth pulled again. 🤣
Love how you show the real day to day problems that happen for contractors, no sugar coating...
This series is amazing and it shows how quickly a small renovation turns into a large one when you run into the unexpected.
These videos are pretty long compared to what you normally find on youtube, but they give so much detail on the thought process and issues that you run into when doing this type of work that it is totally worth it. I'm in the middle of a a very similar complete bath remodel myself. I understand a lot of the pain in these videos and have gotten some good tip/ideas from them too.
Much appreciated Greg 👍👍
Love watching, the homeowners should see what it takes to do quality work
That still won help. Seeing seasoned guys (like these two) work, makes everything seem super easy. They never take into account the twenty/ thirty plus years of doing this stuff day in and day out that got them to where they’re at now.
I love the presentation of this video. I'm glad you're showing all your challenges and the trial and error it takes to get this project done. Also love the calm demeanor and your guys' sense of humor.
stumbled upon this video and I gotta say I love the workmanship attitude
What I like about your videos is that you show the real world problems that come up during just about any project. I had an old school guy that taught me everything and when I would explain a problem I ran into he would say "figure it out and get it done"...
Great tip with the bent wire to check for framing on the back side of the hole! I noticed with the camera shot of that soffit (6:52) a 14/2 wire going between a framing member and the sheet roofing... would probably be a good idea if there is enough slack to reroute it around the end of the truss to prevent a roofer from putting a nail thru it.
Just wanted to add how much I love products engineered to make life simpler like your Panasonic fan bracket and fan.
Spent more money on a vent to avoid going into attic, just to find out you have to go into the attic. Sounds like my luck. This is why you always plan ahead before starting even the smallest jobs. Good work guys!
Right? I'm surprised they didn't pop up into the attic first to scout things out. They're usually more diligent than this. (Still a fun video though.)
Their hands were tied regarding mandatory location of exhaust.
Code enforcement is a drag sometimes
The exhaust fan only prevents moisture problems if people remember to use it. Leviton makes a humidity sensing switch that automatically runs the fan for a programmable amount of time. I put one in my house because we were having mold issues and it's been great. I highly recommend it.
I actually considered a fan with remote humidity sensing but owners opted for switch. Thx Dennis!!
I prefer having the control. Also, it's one more thing to go wrong.
@@dwsolberg you can program it to behave however you want. It also gives manual control. Time will tell how long it lasts, but it wasn't overly expensive. I won't be heart broken if it fails. For now, I'm glad to not have to worry about moisture issues in the bathroom.
To me they are best wired with light then there is no choice not to use it.
Over complicated with more parts that are likely to fail. With everything being made by children and slaves in china, it's best to keep everything as simple as possible.
Thanks for the video showing the trouble-shooting you have to do in renovations. And that sliding insert to allow fan installation is new to me, so thanks again. Your son is learning from a pro!
Just discovered this channel a couple days ago, after binge watching a bunch of videos all I can say is man this is probably the best construction/renovation channel on RUclips. Learn something new every video.
Thx Kyle!
The design of that exhaust fan is GENIUS!!!! I've seen a lot of those easy install designs that suck, and actually make it harder to install than just climbing into the attack. But that one, that is the shit.
Nice job guy,s. Bath fans are ALWAYS a major pain. The only tried and true way unfortunatly is to go thru the roof. Yes it is expensive but..,the customer needs to know this.
Step-by-step through real problems and real solutions! I love what you guys are doing with these videos
I had a similar issue running a 4 inch duct from the outside to the fan bu wouldn’t fit so I had to use a 3 inch duct instead. Y’all do excellent work. I’ve learned a lot from you.
Subscribed... Something about the father and son thing just clicked with me. Good info, problem solving, and awesome relationship dynamics.
I like the Dad and son thing you guys have and also the persistence not given up.
Thx Francois 👊💪
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Love this channel, Paul’s knowledge and teaching are 2nd to none! You guys are blowing up since I started watching, congratulations!!!
Much appreciated Shawn👍
Great video. I like the wrong hole being repurposed for a soffit vent. Nothing ever goes completely as one hopes it will. I replaced a bath fan and light with a supposedly identical fan. I got it in, but had to do some modifications and cut the crap out of my thumb using my utility knife!
Love the content. I like how real the video feels. Most of the videos out there cut out the struggle.
Just another great video. I like how you show the problems encountered in ducting the fan properly. Most fans I see aren’t even ducted. Keep up the great work. 👍🏼
Tricks! Experience comes through in the "tricks"! I sure appreciate seeing al this. The freaking internet again, AND OF COURSE, skilled experienced ethical workers like you folks. (I see so many of my own trials here, and I love the way you guys find ways to make it work. It's innovation and "thinking" and whatever it takes to do it right.)
Well done video series, showing the roadblocks that can be encountered when remodeling and getting creative to solve them.
Ok I have to agree, showing the problems that you could encounter is awesome. To many videos do not show that. Sometimes you have to do in order to learn.
You guys are the best!! I have learned so much watching your videos! Especially appreciate seeing how you solve the problems that are typical when doing remodeling! Thank You!!!
My house is 75 years old. I just did an economy remodel on the upstairs bathroom. Worst part of the job? You guessed it putting a new larger CFM fan in. Nice work around on this one guys!
Ran into this EXACT same situation with my house - vaulted ceiling in my Master Bedroom - BOTH original (1978) vent fans in the bathrooms exhausting straight into insulation.
(..been avoiding this project since last year, finally got the motivation and determination to get it done TODAY.)
Was a lot of fun trying to get the vent down into the soffit by myself; had to extend the wiring, and the Panasonic unit JUUUUSSTT barely fit in the space....y'all's video was a big help. Thanks!
You could have just moved the insulation out of the way and let it blow into the attic
I do hvac for a living. Roof vents are pretty easy and you guys are very skilled. I believe in yall to get it done! You just trace you're penatraion hole in the roof where is cuts through two layers or shingles Cut it out with a Sawzall or a jig saw. Then you use a Sawzall or a long knife to separated the two layers of shingles the penatraion disecs calk around the hole on under the upper layer of shingles (not the lower level), slide your roof jack in there, put one nail on the left and right eaither through the beed of cualk or inside to protect it from the rain then caulk the heads of the nails and then layer the upper layer of shingles down and add a beed of caulk to where the upper layer meets the roof jack. No caulking on the lower lever ever. It traps water
I recently decided to replace a bathroom fan because it didn’t move any air. Not only was it completely ductless in the attic, and buried under 9” of blown insulation, but the factory packing tape still had the flap taped shut!! From 1978 to 2021 this vent fan was 100% completely useless. Lazy builders not doing it right can cause problems for literally decades! I’m glad to see you doing things the right way, and thanks for sharing it with us!
That's hilarious!
Man it's the worst when u get stuck with these stupid little problems that seem to burn up a whole day so frustrating ran into countless issues like that on my last bathroom reno. Get yourself some laminate blades for that jig they cut on the downstroke they'll prevent tear out on those brittle materials
Yes, it’s great to errors made, your honesty and courage greatly appreciated
Awesome to see your on site problem solving! I love it guys
But it should be insulated duct to prevent condensation drips...
Yeah. I imagine the steamy moist air from the bathroom will cool off especially on cold days as it travels through the vent tube and collect in the ribs of that dryer ducting.
Here in NW Ohio, most contractors do not use insulated duct for bathroom exhaust. I understand what both of you are saying I many professionals, including building inspectors, say it is not worth it to use insulated ductwork for there because there just it would be extreme circumstance where you would have that duct start dripping like you guys think it would. Me personally, I bury the duct in or lay extra insulation on top of it (not pack it in) just to keep it pseudo controlled.
I’ve run un-insulated duct (in my own home) and had zero issues with condensation. I’ve seen no issues with mould, smell or moisture.....
@@spideliciousx9822 Depends on the weather in your locale.
I made a mistake Installing a vent with a valley in it with too much slack, and so much water was in the pipe I had to get a bucket to pour it out. Now I make sure the pipe has plenty of slope.
Thank you for the close up of the soffit exhaust vent that you used-my newest adventure in fixing up my home is the smell in the downstairs bathroom (clean, dry, seldom used at this point)--it took us 3 days to figure out that it was actually coming from the exhaust fan vent--we were "sure is was mold somewhere") The person putting the vent in years ago used a dryer vent (with regular duct tape that had fallen off over time) with no screen blockage for mice,,,,the rest is probably self explanatory--we will have to open the joist space to clean out in the near future-but it is cleaned out a bit and covered--smell gone! Your videos have been so helpful and I really enjoy watching you work with your son-thank you!!
Over here being everyday dad. Love watching the videos as much for the education as well as the interactivity between you both.
4:40 in. the tip about checking for hidden obstructions using that bent wire ws amazing. Top tip of 2021 for me.
I'm gonna use that neat trick.
loving the way you guys work together, and very informative.
as an old school joiner its amazing how you can still learn tips and tricks.
keep up the videos
Thx 👍
I also liked that tip a lot. Thanks guys!
Aside from the ductwork needing to be insulated to prevent any condensation issues, I've always heard that you're never supposed to vent into a soffit. If the soffit's vented correctly it will pull all the moisture you're trying to exhaust out of the house, right back into the attic creating mold issues.
Vented my fart fan into the soffet, in southest U.S. , very humid here, never had a problem.
From what I can see it's not into the soffit it's through the soffit to the outside
@@its4electric Yea, I should have clarified, mine goes through the soffet, to the outside.
Yeah, This Old House mentioned it too. It looks like they only have soffit vents maybe every 20 feet or so, so I think they're good as long as that new bath vent is far enough away from the other soffit vents.
I think it depends on the climate. It probably doesn't get cold enough in Florida to encounter condensation issues from uninsulated ducting. And the vented air is probably equally as humid as the outside muggy air 😂. But yeah, I would never vent out the soffit personally. When I fix something, I like it to stay fixed forever.
Excellent snapshot capturing the realities of home improvement projects; that is, careful decisions, strategies, compromises, and things inevitably going wrong now and then. It's great how you can work with your son so well; I'm lucky to be in a similar situation and it's a real gift. Here's a bit of unsolicited advice if you don't mind: for someone with your abilities, cutting a hole, lifting and trimming a few shingles to install a roof cap would not be a problem. Do it once and you'll get to the top of the learning curve sooner than you'd think.
I work on 100 year old houses and I do not think I ever had a job that did not have at least one problem. Your videos are really great!
Thx Martin 👍👊
0:34 I got the joke 😂😂😂😂, dad's reaction was priceless. Here i am with corona, since I can't go any where I'll be watching a lot of your videos. Awesome stuff!
Should that vent pipe be insulated? Will it sweat and leak condensation in the attic? Tom Silva always changes those flex pipes to insulated because of mold in the attic.
Tom Silva is my hero! Like literally!!!
If it was metal, it might sweat a little. I'm a 71 year young remodeler still going strong that loves quality work. Paul is doing the very best under the circumstances he's facing. The ideal venting system would be insulated smooth pipe . The only way to obtain this is to remove a lot of drywall . The homeowners most likely wouldn't want to pay for this. Believe me Tom Silva couldn't do any better. I quit watching Tom Silva shows a long time a go, they're to sugar coated.
Absolutely! I was just going to make a similar comment. If it had only passed through conditioned spaces, it would not be necessary to use insulated duct for that.
I’m positive it needs to be insulated in the colder regions like the north east and they are in the south. Louisiana?
We use insulated flex pipe. We’ve learned this the hard way. You can very easily get significant condensation and moisture issues if the vent duct is uninsulated in an uninsulated space.
interesting video. good to see the workings on alternate solutions for the problems encountered during such projects. thank you.
Hey guys congrats!!!!!
Your package of tricks never ends...
I've learned a lot with you ..
Thanks for your time!!!
The split portion of the fan allows you to put the vent on the exhaust, tape it up and position it inside drywall cutout, then slide the main body of the fan up to reconnect the two halves together.
The crown moulding joke was funny. I know that feeling when a job becomes “ Personal “. I’ve had a few in my career. Always enjoy watching a father son work crew that respects each other and their respective talents. My son worked with me for six years in the HVAC trade. He left to become a policeman. St Enjoyed my time working with him.
Very cool Dan thx👍
Got to say this is pretty typical of bathroom fan replacements (or additions), they're always a pain.
Keep up the great videos. You guys are are fun to watch and have some nice little tricks
Thx Steve 👍
Just a small thing - I was surprised to see the light (and fan) switches on the wall of the shower. Code in my area requires that you cannot reach any electricals (light switches, plugs, etc.) while standing in the shower - just in case there's a fault that could, when your hands are wet, cause an electrocution. (If you've ever seen a bathroom where all the switches are outside the room, this may be why :).
Especially after all that work you did fixing the bridged neutrals, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Love your videos!!
Not 100% sure but I believe the shower door goes back up on the side of that wall so it would prevent anyone being able to reach those electricals while in the shower
@@JCole_actually I took a close look too and I agree. The fixed panel of the glass will go where the wires are. No way he would make the mistake suggested.
I really like the way you install the bathroom fan keep up the nice work take care GOD BLESS
Nice job! Our house (built 1959) has the fans just exhaust into some metal capture contraption. I was thinking about running flex ducting with the new fan up to the whirly bird on the roof (which is open to the atmosphere and I can see daylight)? SoCal never gets cold if that matters. Thank you.
As usual you guys were able to get it done and now your exhausted!! I think it’s important to note that in some areas the flex duct is NOT allowed and if possible I try never to use it. Again every area has different building codes so it’s all a matter of what applies to where you are working. And yes some of the other comments are accurate...the flex hose seems to accumulate condensate in the coil pockets.
Yeah flex is not my favorite, much prefer rigid but owner's wanted flex to avoid 2 holes in roof. Had some rat issues earlier👍
just battled a low pitch roof and soffit exhaust. I like the fan you installed , nice engineering.
This went about as well as every project I’ve done. Murphy’s law strikes again!
Fix one problem and make two more. Or discover two more.
Came to RUclips to see how hard it would be to install a ceiling fan in my house. It isn't vented outside, just into the attid and to my knowledge has been that way since the house built back in the 70's. Now I know how to install a vent without having to get into the attic. I've got a straight shot to a soffet ... just need to figure out how to deal with aluminum soffets. As always, Stud Pack delivers!
I don't know if you laughed at your son's pun about the crown molding after filming but you should have. That was pretty funny, and quick witted! Great video. I've been a furniture and cabinet maker for well over thirty years, but I also get several commissions to do remodels. I have some tricks up my sleeves but am a life long learner. you guys are a blast and a pleasure to watch. I am actually learning a lot from this channel. You ask your subscribers to let you know if they want to see videos about specific topics. What ever topic you choose, it's gonna be good. Your presentation, methods, and clarity are excellent!
"Crown molding" LOL
That was pretty good haha!
Your video reminded me of what always happens to me: "That didn't work. Let me try this. That didn't work either, but I have another idea..." The additional vent for the soffit was an excellent recovery from a "6 inch hole" mistake. Such is remodeling and improvements...
I installed two of those fans for a client recently. That bracket system is genius.
make and model ? it's a good set up.
That was a real install video, THANKS for keeping it 100.
Great work and awesome preserverence. Y'all came up with good solutions in the end. You two both have the skills to punch through the roof next time and lift up and resecure a few shingles. Keep up the good work. Awesome camera skills for the multiple obstacles
Thanks 👍
That pun totally went over your head lol. I think it's worth mentioning that you could vent through the eave because there wasn't any soffit vent there.
Actually, there is a soffit vent there just a few feet away. 6:45
First video I watched of you all. Great video. Thanks for the information.
Nice to see an honest video- warts and all. Your idea of putting in a soffit vent for the xtra hole in the eaves was excellent. I was wondering how you'd fix that hole.
Many years ago, I installed a fan assembly in one of my bathrooms. I utilised much better flex ducting than what you got. I routed it out the back wall off the house via the attic. The stuff I used was insulated to prevent any condensation in the attic area. The temperature differential between the bathroom and attic will cause some condensation if not insulated. It came in the correct diameter of the fan’s exhaust in 25 foot lengths. Furthermore my attic has the required roll insulation plus several inches of blown in. Never had any issue of this fan or others I’ve installed. FYI
I'm loving that crimping tool! I saw one in some ones tool box and didn't know what it was. Wow do I eel competent. 2 people all day for one bathroom exhaust. That's an expensive fan. I've been in the same situation but I cut holes in the ceiling and cut outs in the joist joist. More work, less frustration and I'm pretty good at plastering. Next week I have to replace an old noisy fan, I hope it goes easy.
Great video - nicely shot... nicely explained. honest work! I learned a few tricks/tips from you in this video. Thanks! BUT, I thought I'd give a tip about that Panasonic fan. I love them. I've got 2 of them. The metal vent / electrical part you slid out of the way is actually meant to come completely off and connected first (to both the vent and electrical - which is real easy when the whole unit is not in the way!) and then it is screwed to the frame you installed first. Then you simply slide the black housing into the frame and it marries up nicely with the metal part you just finished connecting and screwing to the frame. You then screw the black housing to the frame to hold it in (just like you did). You then connect(plug in) the electrical plug and put that little screw back in which holds the metal part to the black housing tight again. A great design by Panasonic. I will never buy a different kind of fan again! Easy to install in a new build and just as easy to install as a replacement like you. (BTW loved your other video on the neutral wiring problem - that's how I found you.) Keep up the great work!
They are nice for old work. I prefer them vastly when doing fan replacements or installs with minimal drywall repair.
Here is a good tip, "keep making videos". Excellent camera work and explanations. Well done.
Thanks Norm!
@@StudPack In your videos, could you mention where you purchased products, and/or approximate cost ?
I feel your pain..... had similar issue with our bathroom. 2 storey house with a tiny access between the floors to run the ducting and plenty of obstructions !!!
Love your videos. Really making me want to start a construction business with my son (he’s 15 now).
I think you should have punched through the roof. It’s a better way to exhaust moisture compared to soffit exhaust, but I get the challenge of going through the roof. I used to avoid it until last fall I was forced to exhaust a kitchen vent hood through the roof. The process seemed daunting, but after I did it...I was shocked at how easy it really was (no leaks a year out). My hesitation to roof work is heights and the pitch of a roof.
Either way... great job and excellent problem solving along the way! I’d definitely hire you guys if I wasn’t such a DIYer!
Thx Matthew. Yes, I should've gone thru the roof. Woulda been faster cheaper better in the long run.
Do the construction company with your son. My dad and I run a company together, and it’s the greatest thing ever. We each bring our specific skills to the company. He has a lot more experience building new homes than me, and is infinitely better with communication and scheduling/x’s and o’s, but I am much better with the precision craftsmanship, intricate problem solving, etc. And I couldn’t do it without him, and he couldn’t do it without me. He and his brother had a home building company when I was a child that failed. I’m pretty proud to know that he and I have been successful for over the past decade, and have no signs of slowing down with the exception of the apocalypse. We look out for each other, and love to listen to each other’s ideas to come to the best solutions. I think father/son teams are where it’s at, man.
I bet Jordan was really sad that his Dad didn't get that "crown was molding" joke :<
That was gold, Jordan!
You guys always think of a way to get it done...and done right !!!
The both of you are awesome! What a team! Your videos are easy to understand and very helpful. Best of luck to you both!
Thanks so much!
Finally y'alls subs are going up !!! Best "real" building show on RUclips 👍
Great videos guys. I have two of those fans. I can never go back to noisy fans!!
I already knew I liked this channel but then I saw the USL, or now ULL, Ragin' Cajun sweatshirt and that cemented it for me!
i like those sofit fan vents better than anything thru the roof. Up here in pa the vents tend to get snowed over and dont work in the winter.
i like how that fan mounted.
What a work out! 2 aspirins and call it a day. Great video!
Great Dad and Son team work
Panasonic fans are WELL worth the money. They're the quietest fans you'll never hear! I do nothing but recommend those to all my customers.
Hi guys. Love your videos. Quick question. That fan duct was not insulated. I don't know what climate you're in there, but I had a huge issue with an upstairs bathroom vent freezing up in the winter in Michigan. Should you have run insulated duct? And by the way, I'd love to see more videos regarding electrical circuits that you would find in a remodel. Keep up the good work!
Thx Dale. Never see insulated fan exhaust duct in the deep south but I understand why you'd need it in Michigan.
You definently will have a problem with water in that flex hose. I think I had maybe 14 ft installed. After 6 months I notices spots on my bedroom ceiling. Sure enough it was pockets of condensation inside the flex hose. Plus the kidos like to take hot foggy showers Lol. So i hired a roofer. He went straight up to the roof. Now it works even better! Just a thought👍
I live in the south and don't know if that makes a difference but I installed my exhaust through the gable, used the more rigid aluminum flex, and made sure there the duct had a slope to the outside. I run my fan long enough to pretty much dry any potential moisture in the duct. No issues at all, plus no roof penetrations to worry about, which my was biggest concern. Had a kitchen hood exhaust roof vent start pouring 5 years after reroofing and ruined the ceiling in my kitchen. No more through roof vents if not absolutely necessary.
3:00 Another tool that I like that works for stuff like that, "flex shaft mechanical pick up tool". Like an adult version of those claw toys we used to have... Use them to reach down into engine bays and grab bolts and things similar. Would have worked great to reach in there and grab ahold (with enough force to grip) of the wire and bring it to him.
6:28 That mechanical grabber may have come in clutch here too. check them out.
Glad to see I’m not the only one that has this luck
Been there, done that, on my remodel. Laying on my belly, cutting my wind off, in the attic, on a main beam, trying to reach the eave, just plain fun.
Great work guys even though the problems I sure miss my Dad he taught me so much
In preparation to sell our house 2yrs ago I had to replace the exhaust fan in the master bathroom. I was shocked to see the original fan installed just as you described, no hose and exhaust port was butted up against insulation. Lived in that house for 12 years and to think of all the moisture that was just blowing into the attic.
It’s really not that big of a deal to have it blowing into the attic
The soffit vents will allow moist air to be drawn into the ventilated soffit (If used) and possibly cause mold and mildew problems in your attic. No the best option in my opinion. But in this scenario there isn't ventilated soffit. Another issue is in a cold climate insulated duct should be used to avoid condensation inside the duct. Good video.
Great Job. Now do you have a video when working on a brick home to install a bathroom ventilation system? . How would you run Vent through the brick wall. How could you vent bathroom through brick wall & not allow insects to enter vent system?