I've watched MANY comparison videos between the Husqvarna, Stihl, and Echo of this size. While wearing Husqvarna suspenders, you didn't show bias. You showed knowledge of many engines, and gave your full opinion, not some non-committal one given in many other videos I've watched. I have used Stihl saws in the past and have Husqvarna mower and snowblower engines. You've genuinely helped me get passed my indecision, and I'm thankful for your time. I will buy the Echo.
Was wrong in a few points of the saw, the differences between the Echo 590 and 620P. I'd still buy the Echo 590 again if was just getting into firewood.
Good content! My mechanic finally convinced me to switch over the Echo X Series after 30 years with Husqvarna XP. I will say that the CS 620 and CS 7310 are excellent Pro Saws in every way, power, durability, and reliability in the woods. No modding necessary with the X Series.
it's hard to beat the price and output of it. I have had mine for about 4 years now and it just works. Not the fastest saw, but it's reliable and don't complain when worked hard. they are torquey for how they run stock. open them up a bit and they run and pull better. They just like to have the bar bairied to see the power and torque. Great saw for the money.
Not many 59-60 CC saws that I could find that were less than $500 new from a name brand. I 'm looking at Home Depot pricing since they have it in stock I don't want to wait. With my HD credit card, I get a 1-year return policy anything I buy I'm assuming I get it with a chainsaw might not be the case I do with everything else. I looked into the China clones while they seemed appealing, I realized I don't need a 92CC saw. I'm just hunting for down firewood currently my 46CC homelite doesn't have the power it bogs when I try to cut anything in the 14"-16" size. I thought I wanted a big CC engine I know starting it will be more difficult, and weight of it even with a 20-24" bar. I think the Echo Timberwolf is what I'm going to go with.
There is a lot of info on the Echo CS-590 out there, just not sure how much. Bought it because of the good things said about it. Now that it is starting to come alive, is getting better.
i think the 620 also has two piston rings vs one on the 590 . i didn't know about the metal vs plastic/nylon oil pump gearing . thanks for the info :) , jeff
I'm not 100% sure on this but I think I remember seeing that the pistons are different as well. One saw uses a single piston ring and the other uses two piston rings. But I could be wrong. Sweet saw though. It's nice that echo is still making old school style saws.
@jonnysnipes3123 the cylinder head is part of the cylinder casting. Porting is totally different. Same quality casting from Echo, just designed so very different.
Just bought a 590 at the local pawn shop feb 2020 build date $215 cash looks like they cut down one tree and then it sat in the garage for a few years.
I just picked up a used 590 a couple weeks ago to go along with my 591. I’ve had the 591 about 3 years really like it does about everything I need. Take care, Ben.
The Echo CS-590 is a great entry-level firewood saw. Has the pro style engine, not the clamshell, so it can be properly rebuilt. Has no trouble with a 24in bar and a sharp chain in my log piles or 18in oak.
Thinking about picking one up for a backup-backup saw. Like you said, under $400 delivered, and I hope it will out buck my 450 Rancher. Hard to justify a $700-800 60cc pro saw for no more than I need one.
Is a heavy-duty homeowner grade saw with the pro-grade style engine where the cylinder is separate of the engine crankcase. Best choice in the farm-ranch and homeowner grade saws. The 620P, the professional grade version of this saw, turns 1000rpm more ad it has a different ignition coil that doesn't limit the rpm as much.
I bought one for a $100 had it ported changed the piston to a 620 dual ring piston &carburetor cause it didn’t have the stock carb on it bought the 6 degree advance flywheel key and it doesn’t run! So while I love my Echo 4910 ported etc. I’ll stick to my Husqvarna’s, Jonesreds & Stihl’s . They cost a bit more but they are great saws! Like the old saying you get what you pay for!
@@thefirewooddoctor I have that coil already but it is already advanced 6 degrees you have to run the stock flywheel key. I’ll get it running soon it’s not a big priority for me as I’m working on one of my 2165’s right now!
Do you still have the 620? I’m needing a new saw and I’m really interested in one just never owned a echo plenty of husky and stihls but their so damn expensive anymore I’m thinking of making the switch
Yes it’s my favorite saw. You can’t go wrong with either, but if you can afford a 620 it’s definitely worth the bump just for the better bar and rim sprocket.
It is a great saw to start with. Plenty of power for the average wood cutter to get started. Plus it isn't expensive at all, when compared to a pro saw, and is almost as good
You can tell what a person really thinks of a tool by how often it aplears in their videos. Until have the money to "burn" or the saw blows up, not replacing it. Is that good of a tool for the money.
For the hardwoods where I'm at in Wisconsin, the Echo CS-590 will cut anything just fine if you are a homeowner. Would be fun to cut some Aussie hardwood!
@@thefirewooddoctor They are good value saws for the home for sure . Google Aust buloke mate ,we have a few miles of fences that are over 100 year old and used buloke posts ,tough as bull hide and damn tough on man and saws . Cheers mate .
Go to any small engine shop that is a Stihl, Husqvarna, or Echo dealer and get a chain made in minutes. The big name retail stores can't do that. Just write down all the info stamped into the bar of your saw and give that to the people at said small engine shop/dealer.
And I recently learned that the 620 has different port timing. Not sure if someone can change that on their own or not. I figured if I need to replace the p&c I’ll go back with the 620 p&c and carb & coil maybe 🤷🏻♂️
The port timing is pretty close to the Echo CS-590. Port the 590, muffler mod, and the carb/coil and you'd be better off buying a stock 562xp. The 620P with porting would be as quick as the 562xp is stock. Or a little bit more. Tin Man Saws is building an Echo CS-590. Watch his channel.
@@thefirewooddoctor true, I initially thought I’d make my 590 into a 620. After running it I’m not sure it’s worth the cost. That saw does what it’s hired to do, and does it well!
@@thefirewooddoctor got the Timberwolf alsp great saw kinda heavy tempermental on carb adjustment sometimes good firewood saw think i might do muff mod on it that really helped the 400
Besides the carb and coil difference between the 590/620 I thought the 620 had 2 piston rings vs 1 on the 590. Can anyone confirm this? Appreciate the video, thanks.
I never get warranty’s with echos. Unless you are too irresponsible to forget to mix the proper fuel mix you should never have an issue with echo products until a decade later
That sounds like some BS from the dealer regarding the warranty. The warranty is through the manufacturer, if the saw was purchased new the manufacturer should honor the warranty which includes any authorized dealers. I would call Echo and complain about the dealer, maybe get them on the phone in a 3-way call. Dealers try to pull this crap all the time, especially if you didn’t originally purchase through them.
It comes down to how much energy a person wants to spend on an issue. If it blows up, I'll get it modded with the works. Will be almost as fast as my 572xp whem modded.
The engine in the Echo CS-590, and other Echo saw models for the most part, are built for torque. Which makes them run really well in larger diameter wood. If you want to upgrade your CS-590, get the carb and coil from the 620P. The carb is bigger and the coil revs to 13,500 instead of 12,500rpm. You'll gain a ton of power. But only replace those parts when you have to.
Good video man Nice information I had a question about differences between 590 and 620 I got it 😉 I think I’m gonna go for the 562 xp I actually own a 590 but I need something bigger
The differences that the Echo CS-590 has are a single ring piston, different carb, limited coil at 12,500rpm (the 620P has a 13,500rpm coil), difference port timing are the big ones. Modified the Echo CS-590 performs better per Gary Buxton that a modified 620P. It will run with the 562xp, or better, once Gary mods the Echo CS-590 with everything he knows for a work saw tune.
Your warranty is through echo not the shop. That local shop has to work on it no matter where you got it. I'd call Echo and get the answer straight from them and tell them what the local shop said. It sounds to me like that shop is just yanking yer chain besides they make more from parts and service work than the sale of saws.
It's not perfect, but mine has been running for years without a hitch. I wasted money on the warranty. I have had nothing but problems with Husky, and Stihl can kiss my ***. I'm done with them and will never go back thanks to Echo.
Sad to hear of your bad luck. Have never had a problem with any of the major brands of saws outside of cracking vent lines. Have had a bunch of problems with the Farmertec saws, specially the Husqvarna clones. For the money spent, is hard to beat Echo. If were to do it over again, I'd have bought the Echo 620P.
@@thefirewooddoctor Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking brands that was just my experience. I love them all. I still even break out the Mac from time to time. I have heard nothing but good things about the 620 as well. Thank you and have a good one.
@@kenneth6731, I switched to Husqvarna because of theocal Echo dealer not going to honor the warranty of a purchase made online of the saw, and don't care for the local Stihl dealer that much. Is a personality conflict. Am sure my Echo will last a very long time, as long as I don't abuse it and keep the chain sharp.
Hmm, I have 4 Huskies and they've done really well for me. 2 10 year old homeowner quality (435 and 450 Rancher) a 545 mk2 and a 572xp. All have been great for me 🤷♂️ The 545 in particular is my favorite. I think my 450 is on its way out but I got way more than my money's worth out of that thing. Not a fan of Stihl for several reasons. They're warranty is a joke and the 1 Stihl I own has given me more problems then my Huskies combined. I have Echo's little climbing saw, the CS2511T. Great for what it is
I came here to bash Echo and you for owning one.But dang,you turned out to be a nice guy.So saying all that,good luck with your saws and happy cutting.
@@thefirewooddoctor I have some older Husky 55s and a 61 that would take offense to that,but yes,they are older saws that weren't restricted with every type of muffler or porting clog the government could come up with.I will agree that Echo has came up the ranks quickly in the last few years
What makes the Echo CS-590 a great saw is thst it has the pro-style engine. Consumer grade saws have a clamshell style engine. I swear the Echo CS-590 has more torque than the other brands. Doesn't have the horsepower of a full pro saw, but it makes up for it in torque. Am a fan of all the major brands, sort of like some people are a true fan of any stick or ball sport regardless of the teams playing.
@@thefirewooddoctor One problem with this saw is the torque.If I am running a 50-65 cc saw,I am after speed.When I need a saw for bigger wood and longer bars,I will be looking at the 80 cc class.Just my personal opinion,but a smaller cc saw such as the 590 should be aimed more towards the firewood cutters and thinners who feel the need for speed.
Echo 590 is a great bang for buck firewood saw, and decent all around. But, a 562xp is significantly faster, lighter and better saw, not in the same class as the Timberwolf, and also costs about double the echo. I have both (well, Jonsred 2260 version which is a little lighter than 562xp running a husq. small mount) and have cut a bunch of wood with each one. I think for general firewood, the echo is a great saw, and if you can find one for $350 delivered, you are getting a brand new quality saw for the price of a clone saw, or maybe a beat used saw. The echo 490's are real nice to, if you know a little about muffler mods, etc. and aren't cutting too big of wood.
You nailed it. The Echo CS-590 is perfect for the average homeowner cutting their own firewood. Also a cheap way for someone to get into cutting firewood to sell. Work like hell, buy a better saw/splitter.
@@thefirewooddoctor Yeah, that's right! The splitter is always the big item that everyone puts off when they are younger. But, keep it for 10 years, and that thing will pay for itself many times over, including the cost of doctors visits when you throw your shoulder out whipping a heavy maul as you get older. I like hand splitting wood, because it feels good when it cracks. But, I couldn't even imagine doing firewood anymore (I'm 59) if I couldn't back my pickup next to the splitter (usually horizontal, unless huge rounds not 1/2'd or 1/4'd when cutting to get onto the truck) and make a big pile of sticks quick.
Husky 562xp cost $719 that's online probably $800 something locally. Not sure if that is even same class as an Echo 590 cost $439 at Home Depot or $419 online. I use a chainsaw once or twice a year for firewood hunting season we drive 3-4 hours from home to find wood I'm in Arizona. Cord of wood here cost $500 for hardwoods like Juniper from local firewood sellers in the Phoenix area. Each winter we go through 2-3 cords for our fireplace and firepit.
@@Mike-01234 Yeah, I got mine for 350 online ebay, and it is a great saw. I'd say for a firewood guy, you don't really need anymore saw than this. Tune it correct, and keep the chain sharp, and it will put loads of wood on your truck!
@@bennyblanko3 I ended up buying EGO 18" electric battery saw. I already have a homelite 46CC it runs good I wanted a backup saw I was going to make the homelite the backup. I read the Echo 590 doesn't have a fuel bulb can be hard to start in one review. Not sure if that is true. Where I cut wood it's 8500-9000 feet in altitude. I figured if I flood the homelite battery saw good alternative. I have EGO tools already with a few batteries. Oregon makes chains that fit it.
Dont have the 590 but i ♥️my 620 its like the energiser bunny . Check out Chainsaw Shacks ported 620 pulling a 32 or 36" bar and would serve you well . May not be the fastest car on the track but will Finish Every race . I got my 501p an 7310p online too , i guess my warrenty void too but ive never needed warrenty svc on my other Echo saws or products . 7310 would be marvelous investment for you
@@thefirewooddoctor i too have g372xp an g660 , 660 running good so far but w out exstensive origional equip upgrades would never take only them to the job , but theyre chainsaws an i do love the rascals
I'm only using them in my woodyard, so not much of an issue with using cheaper saws alongside my big name brand saws. This way if one saw is in the shop, have three others to choose from.
@@thefirewooddoctor yes if your shop or house is on same property is great . Backups are great just in case . I like having 2 saws for 50 an 70cc saws . For the most part i dont need the 90cc saws but im impressed so far w the g660 an thats kindled my interest in finding a good 390 . Been looking locally an theyre scarce as hens teeth in these parts . See em on ebay tho
I don't have money buy new so was looking at used $200 echo cs-590, used $350 echo cs-680 or Chinese clones $140 Salem master 62cc, $350 holzforrma Stihl , husqvarna clones Was thinking used 590 because is a more standard saw not professional so would not have been abused like a pro 680, and hit or miss quality with Chinese clones.
The Holzfforma clones can be bought direct and be bought fairly cheap. The other cheap saws like the Salem models are very much on the miss side of quality compared to the Holzfforma saws. I'd get the Echo CS-590, even a used one, before an el cheapo Chinese chainsaw.
At the time of this video, was just wearing the suspenders. Bought my 572xp a few months later. The Echo CS-590 is superior in build quality to the Husqvarna Rancher 455/460 saws.
Nothing wrong with any of the three major brands. Echo has the edge in the quality of the farm and ranch saws in my opinion. Pro saws, you can't go wrong with Stihl or Husqvarna. Echo isn't far behind in my opinion.
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I've watched MANY comparison videos between the Husqvarna, Stihl, and Echo of this size. While wearing Husqvarna suspenders, you didn't show bias. You showed knowledge of many engines, and gave your full opinion, not some non-committal one given in many other videos I've watched. I have used Stihl saws in the past and have Husqvarna mower and snowblower engines. You've genuinely helped me get passed my indecision, and I'm thankful for your time. I will buy the Echo.
Was wrong in a few points of the saw, the differences between the Echo 590 and 620P. I'd still buy the Echo 590 again if was just getting into firewood.
How do you like the saw thus far, any issues?
@shanew7361 loved it, but traded it in on a Husqvarna T540xp. If was starting over again in firewood, would definitely buy the Echo CS-590 again.
Good content! My mechanic finally convinced me to switch over the Echo X Series after 30 years with Husqvarna XP. I will say that the CS 620 and CS 7310 are excellent Pro Saws in every way, power, durability, and reliability in the woods. No modding necessary with the X Series.
it's hard to beat the price and output of it. I have had mine for about 4 years now and it just works. Not the fastest saw, but it's reliable and don't complain when worked hard. they are torquey for how they run stock. open them up a bit and they run and pull better. They just like to have the bar bairied to see the power and torque. Great saw for the money.
Upgrade to the 620P carb and coil to make the saw even better.
@@thefirewooddoctor Not quite correct. Echo Repair Specialist
@@GripFreak, if you had read the comments on this video you would know that I've already been corrected.
@@GripFreak, after this video was made I found out about the differences in the respective engines.
Not many 59-60 CC saws that I could find that were less than $500 new from a name brand. I 'm looking at Home Depot pricing since they have it in stock I don't want to wait. With my HD credit card, I get a 1-year return policy anything I buy I'm assuming I get it with a chainsaw might not be the case I do with everything else. I looked into the China clones while they seemed appealing, I realized I don't need a 92CC saw. I'm just hunting for down firewood currently my 46CC homelite doesn't have the power it bogs when I try to cut anything in the 14"-16" size. I thought I wanted a big CC engine I know starting it will be more difficult, and weight of it even with a 20-24" bar. I think the Echo Timberwolf is what I'm going to go with.
My first real in depth info about the Echo. Thanks very much! -Brad
There is a lot of info on the Echo CS-590 out there, just not sure how much. Bought it because of the good things said about it. Now that it is starting to come alive, is getting better.
i think the 620 also has two piston rings vs one on the 590 .
i didn't know about the metal vs plastic/nylon oil pump gearing .
thanks for the info :) , jeff
If I did it all over again, I'd start with the 620P.
Had mine for six years and never let me down, cuts everything I ask it to!
Wouldn't know how long it lasts, traded it in on a top-handle saw.
Good information here. Thank you for the video
Personally I'd get the Echo 620P if the budget allows. That said I have no regrets buying the CS-590.
I'm not 100% sure on this but I think I remember seeing that the pistons are different as well. One saw uses a single piston ring and the other uses two piston rings. But I could be wrong. Sweet saw though. It's nice that echo is still making old school style saws.
Tinman is supposed to be building am Echo CS-590 on his channel. Am watching it to see how the perfomance improves.
The 620P has a 2-ring piston and the 590 has a single-ring piston.
@@thefirewooddoctor it’s because the upgraded one has a better quality cylinder head
@jonnysnipes3123 the cylinder head is part of the cylinder casting. Porting is totally different. Same quality casting from Echo, just designed so very different.
Just bought a 590 at the local pawn shop feb 2020 build date $215 cash looks like they cut down one tree and then it sat in the garage for a few years.
That is a sweet deal! Is a great homeowner firewood saw. Also a good saw for someone to get started with that wants to sell firewood.
I just picked up a used 590 a couple weeks ago to go along with my 591. I’ve had the 591 about 3 years really like it does about everything I need. Take care, Ben.
The Echo CS-590 is a great entry-level firewood saw. Has the pro style engine, not the clamshell, so it can be properly rebuilt. Has no trouble with a 24in bar and a sharp chain in my log piles or 18in oak.
What is a 591?
Am sure he meant 590.
@@livewithnick Shindaiwa 591 same saw as echo 590
@@thefirewooddoctor I have two saws Echo 590 and the Shindaiwa 591.
What makes this not considered a pro saw? Just curious, is it the plastic handle and pump gears?
The 601P has two piston rings, different carb, different coil, and has about 0.5hp more. Plus a few other minor parts differences to be pro grade.
Debating on the Srihl-MS 271 or the CS-590 Timber Wolf. 🤔 20 inch bar.
Go with the CS-590. Much better built saw and much more versatile in what it can cut.
@The Firewood Doctor (Homestead Fabricator) Yea that's what I've been reading and a better warranty too.
I had a 6700 now I run nothing but echo saws
Echo is an excellent value for the money spent.
Thinking about picking one up for a backup-backup saw. Like you said, under $400 delivered, and I hope it will out buck my 450 Rancher. Hard to justify a $700-800 60cc pro saw for no more than I need one.
Keep an eye out for deals/sales. Is a great saw if all you are doing is cutting your own firewood.
@@thefirewooddoctor it is marketed as a professional saw in your opinion it’s not?
No, it isn't as jt is missing a few key features.
@@thefirewooddoctor not professional because of low rpm right? Stays slow or sth?
Is a heavy-duty homeowner grade saw with the pro-grade style engine where the cylinder is separate of the engine crankcase. Best choice in the farm-ranch and homeowner grade saws. The 620P, the professional grade version of this saw, turns 1000rpm more ad it has a different ignition coil that doesn't limit the rpm as much.
620 P has dual ring piston also and magnesium side cover and crankcase.
I know that now. At the time of the video I didn't know that.
I bought one for a $100 had it ported changed the piston to a 620 dual ring piston &carburetor cause it didn’t have the stock carb on it bought the 6 degree advance flywheel key and it doesn’t run! So while I love my Echo 4910 ported etc. I’ll stick to my Husqvarna’s, Jonesreds & Stihl’s . They cost a bit more but they are great saws! Like the old saying you get what you pay for!
You need the 620P coil and cylinder to mwke it run.
@@thefirewooddoctor
I have that coil already but it is already advanced 6 degrees you have to run the stock flywheel key. I’ll get it running soon it’s not a big priority for me as I’m working on one of my 2165’s right now!
@forrestebert5276 the 620P coil let's it run to 13,500rpm. The 590 coil is 12,500rpm.
Good information thanks! 620 has less plastic, more magnesium
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Have both the 590 & 620, it’s so worth the extra $125! Top end is different on the 620 and 3sec faster!
Was on a money crunch and not knowing how deep I'd get into firewood at the time I bought the 590.
Do you still have the 620? I’m needing a new saw and I’m really interested in one just never owned a echo plenty of husky and stihls but their so damn expensive anymore I’m thinking of making the switch
Yes it’s my favorite saw. You can’t go wrong with either, but if you can afford a 620 it’s definitely worth the bump just for the better bar and rim sprocket.
It is a great saw to start with. Plenty of power for the average wood cutter to get started. Plus it isn't expensive at all, when compared to a pro saw, and is almost as good
Go for the Echo 620p, is worth the extra $.
Nice review 👍
You can tell what a person really thinks of a tool by how often it aplears in their videos. Until have the money to "burn" or the saw blows up, not replacing it. Is that good of a tool for the money.
Carb coil and the 620 has a double ring piston with some mild factory porting whereas the 590 has a single ring piston and no porting.
I know that. Aaid as much in the comments. This was a few years ago and was working with what I could remember. And knew at the time.
Thanks for the video
Haven't used the 590 for a while. Is starting to feel neglected. Same for my 550xp.
Good value softwood saw , aussi box and gum show them up .😊
For the hardwoods where I'm at in Wisconsin, the Echo CS-590 will cut anything just fine if you are a homeowner. Would be fun to cut some Aussie hardwood!
@@thefirewooddoctor They are good value saws for the home for sure . Google Aust buloke mate ,we have a few miles of fences that are over 100 year old and used buloke posts ,tough as bull hide and damn tough on man and saws . Cheers mate .
I just got a showroom model for $225 brand new. Hendrix Lawn and Garden shop in Sebastopol, California stop in sometime
Never heard of a $400 saw selling that cheap, especially on California.
Price went up in the 9 months ago you posted this video.
Price increases on everything sucks. Got mine on an open box special.
Looking for the chain for this saw at tsc. All i see is that countyline brand there. I just need a new chain so i can cut these logs
Go to any small engine shop that is a Stihl, Husqvarna, or Echo dealer and get a chain made in minutes. The big name retail stores can't do that. Just write down all the info stamped into the bar of your saw and give that to the people at said small engine shop/dealer.
@@thefirewooddoctor thanks brother ima gonna try the local shop here. Maybe i should look online too?
I'd go to the local shop to do my part to keep them in business.
And I recently learned that the 620 has different port timing. Not sure if someone can change that on their own or not. I figured if I need to replace the p&c I’ll go back with the 620 p&c and carb & coil maybe 🤷🏻♂️
The port timing is pretty close to the Echo CS-590. Port the 590, muffler mod, and the carb/coil and you'd be better off buying a stock 562xp. The 620P with porting would be as quick as the 562xp is stock. Or a little bit more. Tin Man Saws is building an Echo CS-590. Watch his channel.
@@thefirewooddoctor I’ve been watching it
@@masonmcqueen5059, comes down to personal preference on saw brand in the pro class.
@@thefirewooddoctor true, I initially thought I’d make my 590 into a 620. After running it I’m not sure it’s worth the cost. That saw does what it’s hired to do, and does it well!
The 620 carb coil and handle bars will all fit a 590!I bought the metal bars for my 590!and the double dogs!
For the price of those parts I might be almost better off selling my 590 and buy the 620P.
Bought my cs400 on ebay cracked a piston skirt after about 14 cord my local echo dealer warrentied it put a whole new engine in it
You have a better Echo dealer than the one closest to me. Good to know they took care of you.
@@thefirewooddoctor got the Timberwolf alsp great saw kinda heavy tempermental on carb adjustment sometimes good firewood saw think i might do muff mod on it that really helped the 400
Thanks for the goo info.
Is a good saw. Should've kept it instead of trading it in.
When I fled mine I turn switch off pull it thru wide open 5 or 10 times switch on wide open it Will start.
Besides the carb and coil difference between the 590/620 I thought the 620 had 2 piston rings vs 1 on the 590. Can anyone confirm this? Appreciate the video, thanks.
The carb, coil, piston, and the porting are all different.
Yes the cs620 has 2 rings.
I never get warranty’s with echos. Unless you are too irresponsible to forget to mix the proper fuel mix you should never have an issue with echo products until a decade later
Just bought one, won't start no matter what
Followed the manual
That is odd. My Echo CS-590 fired right up out of the box.
That sounds like some BS from the dealer regarding the warranty. The warranty is through the manufacturer, if the saw was purchased new the manufacturer should honor the warranty which includes any authorized dealers. I would call Echo and complain about the dealer, maybe get them on the phone in a 3-way call. Dealers try to pull this crap all the time, especially if you didn’t originally purchase through them.
It comes down to how much energy a person wants to spend on an issue. If it blows up, I'll get it modded with the works. Will be almost as fast as my 572xp whem modded.
True, I just hate hearing/seeing dealers try to get over on honest hard working ppl.
I’ve got a stock 590 except for muffler mid and a Stihl 362. The 590 out cuts it as is.
The engine in the Echo CS-590, and other Echo saw models for the most part, are built for torque. Which makes them run really well in larger diameter wood. If you want to upgrade your CS-590, get the carb and coil from the 620P. The carb is bigger and the coil revs to 13,500 instead of 12,500rpm. You'll gain a ton of power. But only replace those parts when you have to.
I'll put my echo against any saw on the market i use them commercial
The Echo CS-590, 620P are the best bargain out there for the money spent!
I really like my echoes. They're dead nuts reliable! Work it hard all day. Refuel and oil it and it starts up and goes back to work no problem.
@mallardhunterhunter8588 Echo does make a few great saw models!
Good video man
Nice information
I had a question about differences between 590 and 620
I got it 😉
I think I’m gonna go for the 562 xp
I actually own a 590 but I need something bigger
The differences that the Echo CS-590 has are a single ring piston, different carb, limited coil at 12,500rpm (the 620P has a 13,500rpm coil), difference port timing are the big ones. Modified the Echo CS-590 performs better per Gary Buxton that a modified 620P. It will run with the 562xp, or better, once Gary mods the Echo CS-590 with everything he knows for a work saw tune.
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But the 620 is a pro saw right?
And where can I find stuff about that modification ? Thanks 🙏
@@thefirewooddoctor
So you mean I can modify my 590
To make it run as good as a 562xp ?
That should be a hell of a saw
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That's the guy you want to send your Echo CS-590 to to be modded. Going to take mine down to him in a month or two.
@@thefirewooddoctor
All right thanks man
I got it
I ll do my best to send mine either
The biggest difference you left out is that the 620p has a magnesium engine case and sprocket cover. The Timberwolf doesn’t.
Yeah, I know that now. This video is also 3yrs old when I waa jusr starting to get serious about chainsaws.
Your warranty is through echo not the shop. That local shop has to work on it no matter where you got it. I'd call Echo and get the answer straight from them and tell them what the local shop said. It sounds to me like that shop is just yanking yer chain besides they make more from parts and service work than the sale of saws.
You are probably right.
It's not perfect, but mine has been running for years without a hitch. I wasted money on the warranty. I have had nothing but problems with Husky, and Stihl can kiss my ***. I'm done with them and will never go back thanks to Echo.
Sad to hear of your bad luck. Have never had a problem with any of the major brands of saws outside of cracking vent lines. Have had a bunch of problems with the Farmertec saws, specially the Husqvarna clones. For the money spent, is hard to beat Echo. If were to do it over again, I'd have bought the Echo 620P.
@@thefirewooddoctor Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking brands that was just my experience. I love them all. I still even break out the Mac from time to time. I have heard nothing but good things about the 620 as well. Thank you and have a good one.
@@kenneth6731, I switched to Husqvarna because of theocal Echo dealer not going to honor the warranty of a purchase made online of the saw, and don't care for the local Stihl dealer that much. Is a personality conflict. Am sure my Echo will last a very long time, as long as I don't abuse it and keep the chain sharp.
Hmm, I have 4 Huskies and they've done really well for me. 2 10 year old homeowner quality (435 and 450 Rancher) a 545 mk2 and a 572xp. All have been great for me 🤷♂️ The 545 in particular is my favorite. I think my 450 is on its way out but I got way more than my money's worth out of that thing. Not a fan of Stihl for several reasons. They're warranty is a joke and the 1 Stihl I own has given me more problems then my Huskies combined. I have Echo's little climbing saw, the CS2511T. Great for what it is
I came here to bash Echo and you for owning one.But dang,you turned out to be a nice guy.So saying all that,good luck with your saws and happy cutting.
Echo makes a really good saw for the money, superior to Stihl and Husqvarna equivalents in the same consumer class as the Echo CS-590.
@@thefirewooddoctor I have some older Husky 55s and a 61 that would take offense to that,but yes,they are older saws that weren't restricted with every type of muffler or porting clog the government could come up with.I will agree that Echo has came up the ranks quickly in the last few years
What makes the Echo CS-590 a great saw is thst it has the pro-style engine. Consumer grade saws have a clamshell style engine. I swear the Echo CS-590 has more torque than the other brands. Doesn't have the horsepower of a full pro saw, but it makes up for it in torque. Am a fan of all the major brands, sort of like some people are a true fan of any stick or ball sport regardless of the teams playing.
@@thefirewooddoctor One problem with this saw is the torque.If I am running a 50-65 cc saw,I am after speed.When I need a saw for bigger wood and longer bars,I will be looking at the 80 cc class.Just my personal opinion,but a smaller cc saw such as the 590 should be aimed more towards the firewood cutters and thinners who feel the need for speed.
Echo 590 is a great bang for buck firewood saw, and decent all around. But, a 562xp is significantly faster, lighter and better saw, not in the same class as the Timberwolf, and also costs about double the echo. I have both (well, Jonsred 2260 version which is a little lighter than 562xp running a husq. small mount) and have cut a bunch of wood with each one. I think for general firewood, the echo is a great saw, and if you can find one for $350 delivered, you are getting a brand new quality saw for the price of a clone saw, or maybe a beat used saw. The echo 490's are real nice to, if you know a little about muffler mods, etc. and aren't cutting too big of wood.
You nailed it. The Echo CS-590 is perfect for the average homeowner cutting their own firewood. Also a cheap way for someone to get into cutting firewood to sell. Work like hell, buy a better saw/splitter.
@@thefirewooddoctor Yeah, that's right! The splitter is always the big item that everyone puts off when they are younger. But, keep it for 10 years, and that thing will pay for itself many times over, including the cost of doctors visits when you throw your shoulder out whipping a heavy maul as you get older. I like hand splitting wood, because it feels good when it cracks. But, I couldn't even imagine doing firewood anymore (I'm 59) if I couldn't back my pickup next to the splitter (usually horizontal, unless huge rounds not 1/2'd or 1/4'd when cutting to get onto the truck) and make a big pile of sticks quick.
Husky 562xp cost $719 that's online probably $800 something locally. Not sure if that is even same class as an Echo 590 cost $439 at Home Depot or $419 online. I use a chainsaw once or twice a year for firewood hunting season we drive 3-4 hours from home to find wood I'm in Arizona. Cord of wood here cost $500 for hardwoods like Juniper from local firewood sellers in the Phoenix area. Each winter we go through 2-3 cords for our fireplace and firepit.
@@Mike-01234 Yeah, I got mine for 350 online ebay, and it is a great saw. I'd say for a firewood guy, you don't really need anymore saw than this. Tune it correct, and keep the chain sharp, and it will put loads of wood on your truck!
@@bennyblanko3 I ended up buying EGO 18" electric battery saw. I already have a homelite 46CC it runs good I wanted a backup saw I was going to make the homelite the backup. I read the Echo 590 doesn't have a fuel bulb can be hard to start in one review. Not sure if that is true. Where I cut wood it's 8500-9000 feet in altitude. I figured if I flood the homelite battery saw good alternative. I have EGO tools already with a few batteries. Oregon makes chains that fit it.
Port timing numbers are differnt also
I'll have to check with some saw builders on that to confirm. Thought the ports were the same.
You are correct, port timing is slightly different.
Dont have the 590 but i ♥️my 620 its like the energiser bunny . Check out Chainsaw Shacks ported 620 pulling a 32 or 36" bar and would serve you well . May not be the fastest car on the track but will Finish Every race . I got my 501p an 7310p online too , i guess my warrenty void too but ive never needed warrenty svc on my other Echo saws or products . 7310 would be marvelous investment for you
I have the G660 and G372xp clone saws for more power. When the Echo dies, I'll rebuild it or buy a new 60cc class pro saw.
The 590 is the same in the engine department except for the coil and carb if I heard correctly.
@@thefirewooddoctor i too have g372xp an g660 , 660 running good so far but w out exstensive origional equip upgrades would never take only them to the job , but theyre chainsaws an i do love the rascals
I'm only using them in my woodyard, so not much of an issue with using cheaper saws alongside my big name brand saws. This way if one saw is in the shop, have three others to choose from.
@@thefirewooddoctor yes if your shop or house is on same property is great . Backups are great just in case . I like having 2 saws for 50 an 70cc saws . For the most part i dont need the 90cc saws but im impressed so far w the g660 an thats kindled my interest in finding a good 390 . Been looking locally an theyre scarce as hens teeth in these parts . See em on ebay tho
I don't have money buy new so was looking at used $200 echo cs-590, used $350 echo cs-680 or Chinese clones $140 Salem master 62cc, $350 holzforrma Stihl , husqvarna clones
Was thinking used 590 because is a more standard saw not professional so would not have been abused like a pro 680, and hit or miss quality with Chinese clones.
The Holzfforma clones can be bought direct and be bought fairly cheap. The other cheap saws like the Salem models are very much on the miss side of quality compared to the Holzfforma saws. I'd get the Echo CS-590, even a used one, before an el cheapo Chinese chainsaw.
Amazon has their own 1 year warranty on every purchase. You could kill that saw and send it back for a brand new one....
Well, is way past a year now so that doesn't matter in my case anymore.
kill an echo?
Is possible to kill an Echo. Run it without an air filter or straight gas it.
@@thefirewooddoctor sounds like a lot of effort
Why do people think they need to MOD this & that? The saw works just fine....quit f'n with it.
Is fine to get started with in firewood. Is all the saw the average homeowner needs. That said, love the Husqvarna 572xp that I'm using now.
The 620p has two piston rings the 590 has only one that's one other difference
I know that now. At the time I didn't, was working off of bad information.
@@thefirewooddoctor I just learned that today I only have my 590 for not even two full days
@@jamesvuxta8723, if I were to be starting over knowing what I know now I'd have bought the 620P instead of the 590.
It’s no pro saw what are you talking about ofc it is
LOL!
This guys bias af to husqvarna
Who's biased?
He says but it OVER the husky… 😂
At the time of this video, was just wearing the suspenders. Bought my 572xp a few months later. The Echo CS-590 is superior in build quality to the Husqvarna Rancher 455/460 saws.
Never had an echo, The Last 40 yrs we have been using Sthil saws🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
Nothing wrong with any of the three major brands. Echo has the edge in the quality of the farm and ranch saws in my opinion. Pro saws, you can't go wrong with Stihl or Husqvarna. Echo isn't far behind in my opinion.