I find it fascinating how many comments are rooting for Yuval, as if he was their home team, and this was a competition... I think you're missing the point if you think this was a debate or that one person is better than the other. Two different people with two different skill sets and knowledge bases, discussing complex issues and each offering a different perspective than the other. Between those two there is a lot of good information and I am sure both people find the other to be intelligent and helpful in spreading knowledge. Moving beyond the mindset of rooting for the home team, or needing to win over another is critical in moving forward as a species, and I think both speakers would agree.
You are simply genius, sir! I was thinking the same thing. It's a vey common phenomena though. Whenever there are more than 1 person in a video people always compare.
Couldn't disagree more, all I herd was balanced thought from one side, and name calling and demagoguery from the other. Any persons whome would condem patriots and nationalist as racist have no place.
You Grant the speakers the right to different perspectives but not the audience.? I certainly recognize your point though. The discussion has more depth with the contrasting of the two.
I watch this and all I can think is Friedman needs to meditate for two hours a day. He seems so anxious and non self aware. Harari definitely has a better grasp of the issues we will deal with in the future.
I agree. Harari is a good showman and book-seller. However, only Friedman makes me learn new stuff about the world. I love him on ecology, China, Middle East, economy, coal, America, Trump, you name it. As for Harari, he keeps claiming I am ruled by the algorithms. How come I found this conference that I wanted to find. Should not some algorithm work on my head to make sure I cast the right vote in the next election? Last but not least: Harari is a pessimist. I love those rosy pictures from Friedman. He is on the dot!
I am thankful for your comment + 26 likes. That gives me hope that i have more chances of getting a job than 27 people. When somebody puts together the words historian and "real scientific analysis", i know i am in a good position. Don't get me wrong though. i loved Yuval Noah Harari talk .
If you only care about Yuval and not the others. Yuval on the Global Agenda: 0:53 Yuval on the Mother Nature: 16:36 Yuval on the Present Situation: 18:55 Yuval on the Adaptation to modern fast changes and dangers of personal data analysis and discrimination: 33:00 Yuval continuing on the dangers of personal data analysis: 43:44 Yuval on the Complexity of today's cause-effect system: 54:41 (Yuval being aware of our online cat video spam phenomena: 59:49 just kidding) Yuval on Pessimism, Optimism and the duality of whats important in different places at one time on the unfold of history: 1:09:00 Yuval on his next book (which is out) "21st lessons for the 21 century": 1:14:00 Yuval last comments on the last election and journalism: 1:22:15
That was amazing! It's now 6:13AM and I found myself stimulated and hanging on almost every word two guys sitting in chairs had to say. Whoever was responsible for putting together this discussion and getting it on you tube, thank you!
Wow. That was fascinating, from two men I have admired for a long time. Now I'll do something I've never done--rarely with books, never with video: listen to it again. Thank you so much, gentlemen and excellent moderator. (I'm from the US, living for 50 years in Israel.)
Major takeaway from Friedman's part: The term 'social contract' has been redefined to mean: AT&T employees will have to die from sleep deprivation and stress-related disease before the age of 40.
What he's advocating is a form of social darwinism, repackaged as "meritocracy" and "diversity". The majority will end up living a precarious hand-to-mouth existence in his liberal utopia, while his ilk reap all the gains of the new, slavery-maximising technologies.
I just opted for being a bit less blunt about it. Still, it's stunning to watch someone describing the way to some exploitation-driven dystopia while being completely unaware of it (hint: judging by facial expressions, one participant in the conversation noticed this). It's one of those cases where one seriously wonders if Friedman is just a little slow in general or if this is one of the exceptions where using the term 'brain-washed' is actually justified.
I am dismayed that Yuval didn't get to finish his last statement, as I think he meant close to the opposite of the meaning we were left with when the Times 'moderator' broke in. I am a Friedman admirer and this discussion damages my faith in him.
The perfect comment. Beside a real public intellectual and polymath Friedman is simply not well equipped to discuss reality. He is really the self absorbed illiberal elitist.
"AI" means.... whatever the end result need for their desired outcome. It doesn't have to be intelligent, it doesn't have to be JUST, moral or fair. It's simply the end result that they chose to program and select for to meet their particular agenda
Friedman's intellectual dishonesty (or blindness) is embarrassing. Yuval is a self reflective giant .... Hate to be so negative, but the difference between the two is obvious.
Aside from his amazing breadth of knowledge/understanding, Harari seems genuinely concerned/empathetic about humanity's future. He wants us to make the right choices in the aggregate. Friedman might as well be a paid corporate lobbyist. His vibe is flat like his book.
But Friedman is better dressed and has an expensive haircut and is looking after his moustache and wears a Rolex Oyster Datejust on his wrist , while Yuval Noah is wearing an off the peg suit from Primark .
His "short vision" as you say, goes part to part with "long vision" business. His life's so extemely boring, all the time thinking about purchasing and money..
Yolanda RP Yeah because somehow putting 'the world' first is better than putting yourself or your country first, which is funny because it's not possible to do. It's like putting the 'community' before the individual, which is retarded because there's no way you can define the community as an objectivr entity without pointing to individuals. People who 'put the world' first are just twats who like to clump and devalue individuals together so they can cherry pick who they benefit and who they punish under the guise of focuing on an imaginary concept like humanity. An american should have no responsiblity to someone in england and vice versa, and only the minimum amount of responsibility to those in the same country sd them as they're operating under the same system and so the same rules. Leftists are stupid anyway so if you can't even get your head round that then maybe you should think about who's the one with the shortest vision here.
Harari is interesting and Friedman is difficult to take. He gives pompousness a bad name.Harari is also simplistic. The idea that the machines will know us better than we know ourselves seems an unproven speculation. However his sense of the deep uncertainty regarding humanity's future seems correct.
These AIs are getting really good. Facebook can work out your psychological profile on the basis of 5 "likes" on their website. It's gone much farther than people realise, research it (before it researches you lol)
He's a "Fast talker", with triplets like "faster, better, stronger" made me think of a car salesman right away. It's a style that's taught in school. Not serving him well in this situation because the stakes are so high. Humanity is on the line. Chirpy optimism comes off as flippant, insincere.
Friedman brings down the level of this entire discussion. He is an apologist for Neo-Liberalism and a corporatist shill. Going into to this, I was curious to see if Friedman has raised his game and I was disappointed. Harari is the one who really is looking at the big picture.
@@benjaminvarasarnello I agree that Harari sees the bigger picture, but his vision is still way too narrow. Upon analysis his submission doesn't hold up.
Harari speaks with an economy of expression that has in part something to do with English being a second language; but that deliberating impulse, as fluid a speaker as he is, also showcases the considered weighting of his mind putting forward his premise. Friedman speaks as quickly as he thinks and it is a tour de force with colloquialisms, considered premises but as a hustled package delivered in a self confident rush. Harari wants to communicate with an intent for reciprocity. Friedman performs brightly, confident of his charm. I can't help but be suspicious of the dusinclination to speak simply or at least sparingly. In hunting terms, Friedman opens the choke and aims the shotgun at the tree, confident he'll hit something, somewhere. Harari selects his target with intent. One shot, one intent. There's something elegant occurring when someone brilliant can speak plainly, even when addressing complexity. The Friedman examples come often in multiple, ad infinitum volleys. As if he needs to, in his re iterations, speak over people's depth. I listen differently with each person. But they are not a good match, speaking together.
To me this was an astonishingly insightful experience with two men of immense intelligence and different backgrounds offering their views for the benefit of the viewers. I loved it and I thank the New York Times and RUclips for making it available. More please!
Let us all " Believe .. " ALL SCIENCE agrees that.. " the SUN in our solar system is the controlling factor and cause of ALL WEATHER on the planet EARTH. " Da ???? iDIOTS abound... !
I think they're both important perspectives. Humans are far more nuanced. But yes, I agree, Yuval is without a doubt a genius at a level that I would say few people understand.
Harari is simplistic. He makes many references to a large variety of subjects but fails to tie these together through a dearth of creative imagination. He fails to see the bigger picture, though he tries. He is an intellectual for the unlearned, his erudition is shallow. The real action in the world which is creating the future is happening in an area he dismisses and fails to understand. Uninteresting thinker.
Yuval Noah Harari and Thomas L. Friedman great discussion. I was astonished by so many negative comments about Thomas L. Friedman. They are different characters with different personalities. Yuval it's more of a humble guy. Friedman maybe not so much, but i don't understand lots of hate comments on him. First time Friedman got my attention was a speech at Yale university. That was an eye opening speech. But anyways, what strikes me the most is, on a discussion about "The Future of Humanity" they haven't talked about many topics that i believe are so important, such as: 1) Violent games industry 2) The amount of time most of the people spend watching trash/meaningless content such as cats videos, or on social media...Yuval concerns about the future of education of the kids...that thing about artificial inteligence knowing you better than yourself... The term that comes to my mind it's "Natural selection" - If you choose to spend most of the time, consuming meaningless content, the algorythm will learn that and keep feeding you with more nonsense content. Also the opposite is truth. I believe in the future, we won't need to go after a job. the companies will go after us, since they will know us better than we do, based on how we use technology and the use we make out of it.
I suppose one can get negative thought about Friedman if one read his column in the NYT. Such a provision of idiotic self important oped given with liberality. All the stuff with the dominos and democracy in Irak did not show it enough? How about the Earth is flat? What a joke.
You're on drugs, right? He is simplistic, agenda driven, too subjective, lacks vision himself and is too vague and all over the place intellectually. No penetration, no disciplined thinking, weak polemics. Sounds good to the uninformed, but is a lightweight. Uninteresting thinker.
I didn't think it was possible but Yuval look even more intelligent and profound than he normally sounds. Or maybe its just that Friedman keeps blabbering inane stuff about AT&T and uploading pictures on social media :/
Here it is! xD Yuval on the Global Agenda: 0:53 Yuval on the Mother Nature: 16:36 Yuval on the Present Situation: 18:55 Yuval on the Adaptation to modern fast changes and dangers of personal data analysis and discrimination: 33:00 Yuval continuing on the dangers of personal data analysis: 43:44 Yuval on the Complexity of today's cause-effect system: 54:41 (Yuval being aware of our online cat video spam phenomena: 59:49 just kidding) Yuval on Pessimism, Optimism and the duality of whats important in different places at one time on the unfold of history: 1:09:00 Yuval on his next book (which is out) "21st lessons for the 21 century": 1:14:00 Yuval last comments on the last election and journalism: 1:22:15
Why do they still invite Friedman to speak??? Especially with someone as clear and as intelligent as Harari. Why would Harari agree to share the stage with a 'cliche'??
Friedmans "act" is so "try hard" that it is painful to watch. Is it just me, or he really tries to impersonate Trump with cheesy body language and voice intonation?
We see the difference between a true intellectual and someone, lacks on intellectuality, is not able to understand cause-effect relationship, arrogantly keeps repeating how important and successful he is.
Is Friedman on sales tour selling his books and companies and their products? For every good idea he gives he advertises something, he lost me. Contrast that with Yuval, such an intelligent wise man full of original ideas
How Friedman interrupted Harari when he was talking about the problem of lacking a self motivation ... and then jumped to Algorthim talk is really silly thing to do for listner trying to follow the talk and learn from it.
The scariest thing isn't the outside world, it's our mind! Currently we still couldn't understand how our consciousness work and it's the biggest problem we are gonna face together.
These comments are refreshingly smart and thoughtful. Yes, Friedman is old and has a lot of cute predigested soundbites, but he's well versed and makes some good points. Harari is an academician. He's better read, less cliche in his thinking, and a bit younger. I find it encouraging that the next generation is smarter and better informed than my own.
Yuval comes out much wiser than Friedman here, who’s comes on as a self absorbed salesman peddling himself his ego & his own brand of memography! (I coined a bee word here).
I'm so proud of you Professor Harari for every single contribution you has done in our lives. I would like to listen each class and every lesson you have prepared for us and I'm honored to appreciate and recognize the embodied meaningful speech you graciously presents to humanity. And for that I'd like to say - thank you Professor Yuval Noah Harari !!!👏👏👏
I love how Harari calls Friedman on the greatness of his eternal learner's utopia. "Yes, we're headed there, but it sounds awfully stressful". Friedman is smart b ut his constant self-promotion is so tiring.
I much admire Harari and share with many of his views. I did not know Thomas Friedman until I watched this debate. I find many of the comments about Friedman unfair, undeserved and sometimes almost insulting.
To prevent depression , on every day living , I think about what Friedman believes , and to prevent nativity , stupidity in long term ,I need to remember what prof. Harari believes !
People may have information and skills but not understanding and commonsense, making them so more evolved than a computer. Understanding and commonsense are highly under rated.
Nuclear War, Global Warming and the impact of AI/Machine Learning on our way of life are solid topics. How to get to a place where strategic planning works in a Liberal Democracy is a good topic. Pretending that bad things can’t or won’t happen in 20 years give the trend we see today is a bad solution strategy. Yelling profanities is a poor tacit. Calm listening and thoughtful response might help. Public conversation is a necessity. Civil conversation is the only hope for us to test ideas and address public issues. Many ideas will fall by the wayside. Some will help to show us the way. Let’s hang together and see public issues through. Let’s not quit or give up. That won’t work...
Its not a lack of ideas . What is needed is a galvanizing force for the 'collective will' to steer us globally towards the common good . Many people now admit that Liberal Democracy has failed and is failing .
The paradox is that labor saving devices “save” labor, not using it, thereby making it useless. Unless we can find new ways to employ ourselves, to be useful.
Friedman's American media bias is showing. Harrari is so good at removing himself from today in order to have a clear view of what's happening. Can't get enough Harrari.
I think we need to divide up skills into mini units that an employer sets as 'required knowledge' for each job. Want to be a designer for Boeing? You will need unit 48,993, 200, 10 and 6., Want to be a graphic designer for XXX company? You will need 48, 993, 200, 12 and 7. Hence, to move from the one career to the other requires learning for unit 12 and 7. You find new careers/ increased pay based on how few units you need to transfer across. When employers need bigger moves (because there's a shortage of ppl in a field, they have to pay more to entice ppl to learn more units (or harder ones) Publish the data every month for the supply/demand ratio for each job type (nationally) and let ppl's self motivation and desire to change their lifestyle drive them to learn. Put all the units up online for free. Open halls for monitored exams for the final tests for each unit.
54:40 Not really, stealing is not MORE complicated an issue than before, it has expanded to include other things in its definition... but his examples are two or three degrees of separation from his "stealing"; so he is NOT stealing but he is benefiting from it, if stealing is making unlawful profits. In this sense whole nations are thieves since they go to other places and take their resources.
I think he meant that if we scrape the surface a little we'll see the injustice entailed in our Free Market economy... You can learn more in the brilliant video The story of stuff. Our affordable goods are a result of corporates stealing people's resources and future in the third world. For me he is a justice seeking philosopher who is using the lessons history taught us to light on issues we rarely have time and energy to investigate.
The discussion is truly worthwhile watching. Both of them are Masters in their own spheres. Harari is as usual at his clinical best. I would have agreed more to Mr Friedman if could able to give examples beyond America. Many of his arguments does not fit beyond America. I understand that he was talking on the upside (on accelerated change in technology, etc), but are less implementable or pragmatic in third world countries. I think Mr Harari is bang on most of the issues discussed. I see this way. If technology has solved most of the problems of humans and presume that it made sapien's life more comfortable, then why most of the Humans are not Happy ??
For the presenter I have to say that I love your nose, very well shaped, and congratulation for the moderation of the debate. For the giants of knowlledge in the debate thanks for helping us diving in the future, above all a uncertain future...
Winning formula for success in future - Focus on human needs and provide a better easier cheaper faster solution + work for yourself + get better at human and money skills + embrace change + learn investment + remain agile = you'll be fine no matter what world throws at you
Yuval is a selfless prophet who readily admits he does not have the answers. Humble genius! I have known Tom form NY days and he is a great story teller- mostly about himself. He makes up for lack of depth, by putting a story that is interesting, For eg: I met this girl in Pakistan and she said..., therefore I can tell you all about Pakistan and female empowerment. Read with caution or dont read his columns.
Maybe note consiusnesly great set up of two differen personalities. Harari shows future Friedman past. It is important that we realise that and choose the right road as a single but thinking about all humananity future challenges. For me is clear..
Internet will make the world a one big better place.... It just takes time... Whenever new people interact with each other for the first time, there are always frictions.... But understanding comes very soon after that... I predict all the online hate will subside within next 5 years.
Yuval Noah Harari is talking about humanity and AI. Friedman is talking about the talks he's delivered, a world that consists only of the United States, and what his perspective of his own importance is.
I find it fascinating how many comments are rooting for Yuval, as if he was their home team, and this was a competition... I think you're missing the point if you think this was a debate or that one person is better than the other. Two different people with two different skill sets and knowledge bases, discussing complex issues and each offering a different perspective than the other. Between those two there is a lot of good information and I am sure both people find the other to be intelligent and helpful in spreading knowledge. Moving beyond the mindset of rooting for the home team, or needing to win over another is critical in moving forward as a species, and I think both speakers would agree.
Well and truly stated :-) I totally agree.
You are simply genius, sir!
I was thinking the same thing.
It's a vey common phenomena though. Whenever there are more than 1 person in a video people always compare.
Couldn't disagree more, all I herd was balanced thought from one side, and name calling and demagoguery from the other. Any persons whome would condem patriots and nationalist as racist have no place.
You Grant the speakers the right to different perspectives but not the audience.? I certainly recognize your point though. The discussion has more depth with the contrasting of the two.
I watch this and all I can think is Friedman needs to meditate for two hours a day. He seems so anxious and non self aware. Harari definitely has a better grasp of the issues we will deal with in the future.
Self-appointed pundit versus serious scholar.
@@rascalkr4967 what a representative observation of you ❤
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Harari is remarkable when it comes to packing wisdom in so few words.
Friedman's optimism is flexible enough to support any war that the Pentagon wants.
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The contrast between Harrari and Friedman is very helpful for identifying real scientific analysis vs memorized bag of flashy jargon.
So well put.
Who is the scientific one??
I agree. Harari is a good showman and book-seller. However, only Friedman makes me learn new stuff about the world. I love him on ecology, China, Middle East, economy, coal, America, Trump, you name it. As for Harari, he keeps claiming I am ruled by the algorithms. How come I found this conference that I wanted to find. Should not some algorithm work on my head to make sure I cast the right vote in the next election? Last but not least: Harari is a pessimist. I love those rosy pictures from Friedman. He is on the dot!
I am thankful for your comment + 26 likes. That gives me hope that i have more chances of getting a job than 27 people. When
somebody puts together the words historian and "real scientific analysis", i know i am in a good position. Don't get me wrong though. i loved Yuval Noah Harari talk .
@@BeginnerDad so funny
If you only care about Yuval and not the others.
Yuval on the Global Agenda: 0:53
Yuval on the Mother Nature: 16:36
Yuval on the Present Situation: 18:55
Yuval on the Adaptation to modern fast changes and dangers of personal data analysis and discrimination: 33:00
Yuval continuing on the dangers of personal data analysis: 43:44
Yuval on the Complexity of today's cause-effect system: 54:41
(Yuval being aware of our online cat video spam phenomena: 59:49 just kidding)
Yuval on Pessimism, Optimism and the duality of whats important in different places at one time on the unfold of history: 1:09:00
Yuval on his next book (which is out) "21st lessons for the 21 century": 1:14:00
Yuval last comments on the last election and journalism: 1:22:15
you are the best, thanks!
I like how you couldn’t even bother with « the other » name :)
Unsung hero
Awesome! Thanks!!
Thank you! Amazing!
That was amazing! It's now 6:13AM and I found myself stimulated and hanging on almost every word two guys sitting in chairs had to say. Whoever was responsible for putting together this discussion and getting it on you tube, thank you!
Listening to this at the gym in Dubai. This nyt series rocks!
Everyone, you don't have to insult someone to emphasize the greatness of someone.
Yuval Harari would never appreciate that.
But Friedman just seems so dull, mediocre and uninsightful.
@@andthereisntone3454 Agreed. Friendman is a dinosaur.
No we're not insulting him purely out of love for Harari but because he's a charlatan.
@@sdprz7893 totally
@@colinmccavitt1 Lol
Wow. That was fascinating, from two men I have admired for a long time. Now I'll do something I've never done--rarely with books, never with video: listen to it again. Thank you so much, gentlemen and excellent moderator. (I'm from the US, living for 50 years in Israel.)
Major takeaway from Friedman's part:
The term 'social contract' has been redefined to mean: AT&T employees will have to die from sleep deprivation and stress-related disease before the age of 40.
What he's advocating is a form of social darwinism, repackaged as "meritocracy" and "diversity". The majority will end up living a precarious hand-to-mouth existence in his liberal utopia, while his ilk reap all the gains of the new, slavery-maximising technologies.
I just opted for being a bit less blunt about it. Still, it's stunning to watch someone describing the way to some exploitation-driven dystopia while being completely unaware of it (hint: judging by facial expressions, one participant in the conversation noticed this). It's one of those cases where one seriously wonders if Friedman is just a little slow in general or if this is one of the exceptions where using the term 'brain-washed' is actually justified.
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Harari will get Noble prize soon.
He explain everything in a simple way, very real guy
True
because he is a simpleton
@@matinmohebi5466 albert einstein “If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.”
@@gympump9766 when a grown man admits that his brain gets sucked out by Trump he must not have had brain to begin with.
@@matinmohebi5466 Yuval didnt say that, Friedman did
Listening to Friedman sitting beside Harari, couldn't help but think "artificial" intelligence has another meaning.
I am dismayed that Yuval didn't get to finish his last statement, as I think he meant close to the opposite of
the meaning we were left with when the Times 'moderator' broke in. I am a Friedman admirer and this discussion
damages my faith in him.
...and how are the homeless doing where you are.???
The perfect comment. Beside a real public intellectual and polymath Friedman is simply not well equipped to discuss reality.
He is really the self absorbed illiberal elitist.
Yes.
"AI" means.... whatever the end result need for their desired outcome. It doesn't have to be intelligent, it doesn't have to be JUST, moral or fair. It's simply the end result that they chose to program and select for to meet their particular agenda
A very good conversation between two persons who actually think before they talk. Brilliant minds.
Indeed
Yuval is genius
O? Pardon me your majesty! You is- A- great grass fed monarch!
Yuval is man
Yuval is the first member of the useless class.
Thomas L. Friedman... an actor Yuval Noah Harari... a thinker
Well said
Friedman's intellectual dishonesty (or blindness) is embarrassing. Yuval is a self reflective giant .... Hate to be so negative, but the difference between the two is obvious.
Aside from his amazing breadth of knowledge/understanding, Harari seems genuinely concerned/empathetic about humanity's future. He wants us to make the right choices in the aggregate. Friedman might as well be a paid corporate lobbyist. His vibe is flat like his book.
Lol yessss
Poor Friedman, he is so desperate to talk about himself and his country. Short vision. Yuval has a clear big picture of humans and the world.
But Friedman is better dressed and has an expensive haircut and is looking after his moustache and wears a Rolex Oyster Datejust on his wrist , while Yuval Noah is wearing an off the peg suit from Primark .
I disagree. He has a lot of good insights. Listen to this video.
His "short vision" as you say, goes part to part with "long vision" business. His life's so extemely boring, all the time thinking about purchasing and money..
Yolanda RP Yeah because somehow putting 'the world' first is better than putting yourself or your country first, which is funny because it's not possible to do. It's like putting the 'community' before the individual, which is retarded because there's no way you can define the community as an objectivr entity without pointing to individuals. People who 'put the world' first are just twats who like to clump and devalue individuals together so they can cherry pick who they benefit and who they punish under the guise of focuing on an imaginary concept like humanity. An american should have no responsiblity to someone in england and vice versa, and only the minimum amount of responsibility to those in the same country sd them as they're operating under the same system and so the same rules. Leftists are stupid anyway so if you can't even get your head round that then maybe you should think about who's the one with the shortest vision here.
Harari is interesting and Friedman is difficult to take. He gives pompousness a bad name.Harari is also simplistic. The idea that the machines will know us better than we know ourselves seems an unproven speculation. However his sense of the deep uncertainty regarding humanity's future seems correct.
These AIs are getting really good. Facebook can work out your psychological profile on the basis of 5 "likes" on their website.
It's gone much farther than people realise, research it (before it researches you lol)
Friedman is a corporate tool and Mr. Justin Lee Miller's comment on Friedman being a "car salesman persona" is right on.
this comment was spot on.
He's a "Fast talker", with triplets like "faster, better, stronger" made me think of a car salesman right away. It's a style that's taught in school. Not serving him well in this situation because the stakes are so high. Humanity is on the line. Chirpy optimism comes off as flippant, insincere.
A brilliant discussion from such different viewpoints... thank you for posting this.
I am watching it in July, 2020. Two years after this talk, the discussion is more insightful.
Friedman brings down the level of this entire discussion. He is an apologist for Neo-Liberalism and a corporatist shill. Going into to this, I was curious to see if Friedman has raised his game and I was disappointed. Harari is the one who really is looking at the big picture.
Wow. That's exactly what I thought watching this discussion.
yes
@@benjaminvarasarnello I agree that Harari sees the bigger picture, but his vision is still way too narrow. Upon analysis his submission doesn't hold up.
I mean the bigger picture of the two gents here. His vision is despite that too narrow.
Harari speaks with an economy of expression that has in part something to do with English being a second language; but that deliberating impulse, as fluid a speaker as he is, also showcases the considered weighting of his mind putting forward his premise. Friedman speaks as quickly as he thinks and it is a tour de force with colloquialisms, considered premises but as a hustled package delivered in a self confident rush. Harari wants to communicate with an intent for reciprocity. Friedman performs brightly, confident of his charm. I can't help but be suspicious of the dusinclination to speak simply or at least sparingly. In hunting terms, Friedman opens the choke and aims the shotgun at the tree, confident he'll hit something, somewhere. Harari selects his target with intent. One shot, one intent. There's something elegant occurring when someone brilliant can speak plainly, even when addressing complexity. The Friedman examples come often in multiple, ad infinitum volleys. As if he needs to, in his re iterations, speak over people's depth. I listen differently with each person. But they are not a good match, speaking together.
To me this was an astonishingly insightful experience with two men of immense intelligence and different backgrounds offering their views for the benefit of the viewers. I loved it and I thank the New York Times and RUclips for making it available. More please!
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No one can stop climate from changing, mainly because it's been changing like this for over a billion years.
Let us all " Believe .. " ALL SCIENCE agrees that.. " the SUN in our solar system is the controlling factor and cause of ALL WEATHER on the planet EARTH. " Da ???? iDIOTS abound... !
Mr. Friedman is out of his depth here. Utterly ordinary viewpoint; no imagination, no vision. Yuval, on the other hand, is genius. Pure. Visionary.
I think they're both important perspectives. Humans are far more nuanced. But yes, I agree, Yuval is without a doubt a genius at a level that I would say few people understand.
Harari is simplistic. He makes many references to a large variety of subjects but fails to tie these together through a dearth of creative imagination. He fails to see the bigger picture, though he tries. He is an intellectual for the unlearned, his erudition is shallow. The real action in the world which is creating the future is happening in an area he dismisses and fails to understand. Uninteresting thinker.
"Utterly ordinary viewpoint" Great description! I would add, out dated viewpoint
Yuval Noah Harari and Thomas L. Friedman great discussion. I was astonished by so many negative comments about Thomas L. Friedman. They are different characters with different personalities. Yuval it's more of a humble guy. Friedman maybe not so much, but i don't understand lots of hate comments on him. First time Friedman got my attention was a speech at Yale university. That was an eye opening speech. But anyways, what strikes me the most is, on a discussion about "The Future of Humanity" they haven't talked about many topics that i believe are so important, such as:
1) Violent games industry
2) The amount of time most of the people spend watching trash/meaningless content such as cats videos, or on social media...Yuval concerns about the future of education of the kids...that thing about artificial inteligence knowing you better than yourself...
The term that comes to my mind it's "Natural selection" - If you choose to spend most of the time, consuming meaningless content, the algorythm will learn that and keep feeding you with more nonsense content. Also the opposite is truth. I believe in the future, we won't need to go after a job. the companies will go after us, since they will know us better than we do, based on how we use technology and the use we make out of it.
I suppose one can get negative thought about Friedman if one read his column in the NYT. Such a provision of idiotic self important oped given with liberality. All the stuff with the dominos and democracy in Irak did not show it enough? How about the Earth is flat? What a joke.
Harari's arguments are profound.
He is just brilliant
Yes, Harari thinks in 1,000 year cycles
If? You want to lose your freedoms to think for yourself and you want to have somebody think for you? This is the guy to listen to
Fantastic to have both of them together !
Well said
Great comments Thomas, thank you
Yup! Friedman would do himself a favor by not talking . . .
too much of a difference between the two and Friedman is not intelligent enough, or maybe he is arrogant enough, not to understand it
So enlightening and clear language from both giants about what concerns us all.
One cannot underestimate the power of Yuval's meditative practices when it comes to his salient cognitive abilities and overall awareness.
You're on drugs, right? He is simplistic, agenda driven, too subjective, lacks vision himself and is too vague and all over the place intellectually. No penetration, no disciplined thinking, weak polemics. Sounds good to the uninformed, but is a lightweight. Uninteresting thinker.
Did you mean 'overestimate'?
I didn't think it was possible but Yuval look even more intelligent and profound than he normally sounds. Or maybe its just that Friedman keeps blabbering inane stuff about AT&T and uploading pictures on social media :/
Lol
hahhaha
Harari and Chomsky... bring it on... please!
Would be cool if they talked together.
Before chomsky dies....
Cesar Rodriguez Chomsky is like Keith Richards. He will love forever.
Chomsky needs to just relax and enjoy life before he checks out.
AND Mark Lynas author of 6 degrees with either of them!!
*Romans 1:22*
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,”
Every time Yuval Harari speaks listen. As soon as the other guy speaks just jump to the next time Yuval speaks. Do that and this is a good talk.
EXACTLY!
Here it is! xD
Yuval on the Global Agenda: 0:53
Yuval on the Mother Nature: 16:36
Yuval on the Present Situation: 18:55
Yuval on the Adaptation to modern fast changes and dangers of personal data analysis and discrimination: 33:00
Yuval continuing on the dangers of personal data analysis: 43:44
Yuval on the Complexity of today's cause-effect system: 54:41
(Yuval being aware of our online cat video spam phenomena: 59:49 just kidding)
Yuval on Pessimism, Optimism and the duality of whats important in different places at one time on the unfold of history: 1:09:00
Yuval on his next book (which is out) "21st lessons for the 21 century": 1:14:00
Yuval last comments on the last election and journalism: 1:22:15
nukitachan youtuber of the year
spot on :)
Sounds to me u didn't listen deeply. That u have yr preference fine, it is just saying something about you. Just seems u are not aware of that.
Why do they still invite Friedman to speak??? Especially with someone as clear and as intelligent as Harari. Why would Harari agree to share the stage with a 'cliche'??
Because he works for the Times. And never seems to complain.
@@josephososkie3029 Yes, you're right.
Friedman's ideas are pretty outdated
Yuval . . “No stories” . . Friedman . . “Only stories”
Yuval: Factual, Scientific, Interesting....
Thomas: Irrelevant boring life stories
So true
Friedmans "act" is so "try hard" that it is painful to watch. Is it just me, or he really tries to impersonate Trump with cheesy body language and voice intonation?
Exactly
Good debate with 2 points of view, from 2 excellent speakers and thinkers. In terms of style, Yuval wins, while Friedman seems too chatty.
Yuval is brilliant, and nice.
He's awesome!
We see the difference between a true intellectual and someone, lacks on intellectuality, is not able to understand cause-effect relationship, arrogantly keeps repeating how important and successful he is.
Exactly. Friedman is not on par here.
When will we have a debate between Elon Musk and Yuval Harrari
I don't think Yuval debates with idiots
@@darthsidious1353 do watch him try to get zuckerberg to understand what his ideas are 😂
Elon musk is dangerous egomaniac
The look on Yuval when the host cut him short at the end 😂
Well observed! She must have felt his reproaching look, so she could have apologized but didn't.
Is Friedman on sales tour selling his books and companies and their products? For every good idea he gives he advertises something, he lost me. Contrast that with Yuval, such an intelligent wise man full of original ideas
Friedman loves himself ... but would the NYT algorithm say he is on top of his game???
ThisThomas Friedman guy sure does like speaking in metaphors... He spins his stories like a grandfather and not like a journalist;)
Harari is a public intellectual,Friedman is a corporate propagandist. Harari ought to keep better company.
Not to worry.... Just read his criticism about Zuckerberg in 21 lessons.... He is brilliant beyond measure and just fearless...
Understanding more and Fearing Less: Thank you both for an interesting talk, hopefully we'll heed to Listen.
Most relevant and fresh analysis VS motivational speaker from the world of Office Space
How Friedman interrupted Harari when he was talking about the problem of lacking a self motivation ... and then jumped to Algorthim talk is really silly thing to do for listner trying to follow the talk and learn from it.
Great Conversation.
Friedman: “The glass is half full”. Harari: “The glass is half terrifying”
The scariest thing isn't the outside world, it's our mind! Currently we still couldn't understand how our consciousness work and it's the biggest problem we are gonna face together.
These comments are refreshingly smart and thoughtful. Yes, Friedman is old and has a lot of cute predigested soundbites, but he's well versed and makes some good points. Harari is an academician. He's better read, less cliche in his thinking, and a bit younger. I find it encouraging that the next generation is smarter and better informed than my own.
Mr. Friedman, what does "Applied Hope" means. Can you guide me to the info? Thanks.
Great discussion...!!!
THANK YOU...!!!
Yuval comes out much wiser than Friedman here, who’s comes on as a self absorbed salesman peddling himself his ego & his own brand of memography! (I coined a bee word here).
I've never heard Friedman make a prediction based on his assessment of the present and not be wrong.
I'd love to see that list. It be a great counter point to his incessant anecdotes.
I'm so proud of you Professor Harari for every single contribution you has done in our lives. I would like to listen each class and every lesson you have prepared for us and I'm honored to appreciate and recognize the embodied meaningful speech you graciously presents to humanity. And for that I'd like to say - thank you Professor Yuval Noah Harari !!!👏👏👏
you should wake Up to the truth instead of wasting life with egotistic fantasies , .. (::)
I read Lexus and the Olive tree in university. Unforgetable experience! It talks about everything, not just one subject.
but it was wrong. world did not turn into mcdonalds heaven with capitalisms everywhere.
I am not a big fan of the NYT but Thomas L. Friedman seems like a nice guy. In times of change you need calm people.
I love how Harari calls Friedman on the greatness of his eternal learner's utopia. "Yes, we're headed there, but it sounds awfully stressful". Friedman is smart b ut his constant self-promotion is so tiring.
Friedman will never know how much a gallon of gas is... Or can he afford food... yuppie
Freedman is analyzing past, Harrari predicts a future, and does it very scientifically.
What a contrast. A true intellectual giant of our time (Harari) sitting next to a giant intellectual midget of our time (Friedman).
I much admire Harari and share with many of his views. I did not know Thomas Friedman until I watched this debate. I find many of the comments about Friedman unfair, undeserved and sometimes almost insulting.
To prevent depression , on every day living , I think about what Friedman believes , and to prevent nativity , stupidity in long term ,I need to remember what prof. Harari believes !
I truly believe that human beings have already evolved out of this planet atleast once, while the rest of us were left behind.
Thank you. More please.
Friedman seems more like a animated bookseller than a journalist.Yuval is far more available and realistic .
Would Yuval understand what Friedman understood long ago?
Yuval is deep thought, bare to the bone
Great ideas to think about!
Appreciate Harari's work to bring people into the debate!
People may have information and skills but not understanding and commonsense, making them so more evolved than a computer. Understanding and commonsense are highly under rated.
Friedman adds the reality of optimism in how movements begin from his uniquely Midwest Jewish American roots. The two played off each other well.
Nuclear War, Global Warming and the impact of AI/Machine Learning on our way of life are solid topics. How to get to a place where strategic planning works in a Liberal Democracy is a good topic. Pretending that bad things can’t or won’t happen in 20 years give the trend we see today is a bad solution strategy. Yelling profanities is a poor tacit. Calm listening and thoughtful response might help. Public conversation is a necessity. Civil conversation is the only hope for us to test ideas and address public issues. Many ideas will fall by the wayside. Some will help to show us the way. Let’s hang together and see public issues through. Let’s not quit or give up. That won’t work...
Its not a lack of ideas . What is needed is a galvanizing force for the 'collective will' to steer us globally towards the common good .
Many people now admit that Liberal Democracy has failed and is failing .
The paradox is that labor saving devices “save” labor, not using it, thereby making it useless. Unless we can find new ways to employ ourselves, to be useful.
The algorithm will be superior.... Always
The architects and rebuilding of the tower of Babel.
Friedman's American media bias is showing. Harrari is so good at removing himself from today in order to have a clear view of what's happening. Can't get enough Harrari.
What scares me the most is that nowadays nobody knows what to teach children either at home or in schools...
I think we need to divide up skills into mini units that an employer sets as 'required knowledge' for each job.
Want to be a designer for Boeing? You will need unit 48,993, 200, 10 and 6., Want to be a graphic designer for XXX company? You will need 48, 993, 200, 12 and 7. Hence, to move from the one career to the other requires learning for unit 12 and 7. You find new careers/ increased pay based on how few units you need to transfer across. When employers need bigger moves (because there's a shortage of ppl in a field, they have to pay more to entice ppl to learn more units (or harder ones)
Publish the data every month for the supply/demand ratio for each job type (nationally) and let ppl's self motivation and desire to change their lifestyle drive them to learn.
Put all the units up online for free. Open halls for monitored exams for the final tests for each unit.
Friedman is totally outclassed by a legitimate thinker.
Great topic. Terrible intellect mismatch.
Freidman good story teller. Yuval talks sensible things
Love and listen Yaval.. You are a true prophet.A holy man.
Troll
54:40
Not really, stealing is not MORE complicated an issue than before, it has expanded to include other things in its definition... but his examples are two or three degrees of separation from his "stealing"; so he is NOT stealing but he is benefiting from it, if stealing is making unlawful profits.
In this sense whole nations are thieves since they go to other places and take their resources.
I think he meant that if we scrape the surface a little we'll see the injustice entailed in our Free Market economy... You can learn more in the brilliant video The story of stuff. Our affordable goods are a result of corporates stealing people's resources and future in the third world. For me he is a justice seeking philosopher who is using the lessons history taught us to light on issues we rarely have time and energy to investigate.
The discussion is truly worthwhile watching. Both of them are Masters in their own spheres. Harari is as usual at his clinical best. I would have agreed more to Mr Friedman if could able to give examples beyond America. Many of his arguments does not fit beyond America. I understand that he was talking on the upside (on accelerated change in technology, etc), but are less implementable or pragmatic in third world countries.
I think Mr Harari is bang on most of the issues discussed.
I see this way. If technology has solved most of the problems of humans and presume that it made sapien's life more comfortable, then why most of the Humans are not Happy ??
love you yuval
I now have an additional question to add to my new friend application. Do you like Tom Friedman?
Mr. Harari,, is much more of a human being of the humanity
Harari dictates while appearing to be informed, charming & helpful. And because he's informed, charming & helpful, never gets challenged.
For the presenter I have to say that I love your nose, very well shaped, and congratulation for the moderation of the debate. For the giants of knowlledge in the debate thanks for helping us diving in the future, above all a uncertain future...
Winning formula for success in future -
Focus on human needs and provide a better easier cheaper faster solution
+ work for yourself
+ get better at human and money skills
+ embrace change
+ learn investment
+ remain agile
= you'll be fine no matter what world throws at you
_Please add English subtitles..._
Yuval is a selfless prophet who readily admits he does not have the answers. Humble genius!
I have known Tom form NY days and he is a great story teller- mostly about himself. He makes up for lack of depth, by putting a story that is interesting, For eg: I met this girl in Pakistan and she said..., therefore I can tell you all about Pakistan and female empowerment. Read with caution or dont read his columns.
:)))
Jesus asks me to love my enemy and pray for those who persecute me…God give me strength
ΙΗΣΟΥΣ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ will wins⛑
There's this amazingly smart human on this planet. His name is Yuval Noah Harari.
Maybe note consiusnesly great set up of two differen personalities. Harari shows future Friedman past. It is important that we realise that and choose the right road as a single but thinking about all humananity future challenges. For me is clear..
Internet will make the world a one big better place.... It just takes time... Whenever new people interact with each other for the first time, there are always frictions.... But understanding comes very soon after that... I predict all the online hate will subside within next 5 years.
He has one of the coolest accents I've ever heard.
Yuval Noah Harari is talking about humanity and AI. Friedman is talking about the talks he's delivered, a world that consists only of the United States, and what his perspective of his own importance is.