'Pattern of a Killer: The Trial of Wayne Williams'
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2022
- The Wayne Williams trial in 1982 was a different world. There were no cameras in the courtroom. Now, our I-Team has been given exclusive access to the trial evidence and for the first time you can see what the jury saw.
Williams was convicted of killing two adults in 1982 and sentenced to two life terms in prison. Following William’s conviction, police cleared an additional 22 murder cases involving mostly child and teenage victims. Police connected the additional murders to Williams through the same fiber evidence seen during his trial, eyewitnesses, or strong similarities to the other cases.
Our FOX 5 senior I-Team reporter Dale Russell is in a unique position to reexamine these cases. He covered the trial of Wayne Williams in 1982. In this FOX 5 I-Team special, he revisits the trial, examining the courtroom evidence, speaking with key lawyers, investigators, forensic experts, and three of the surviving jurors who provide fascinating insight into what they saw in the courtroom and why they found Wayne Williams guilty of murder.
And, Dale shares a dramatic moment with the mother of one child murder victim who tells him, after hearing all the evidence, that she finally has closure.
Williams was convicted of killing two adults in 1982 and sentenced to two life terms in prison. Following William’s conviction, police cleared an additional 22 murder cases involving mostly child and teenage victims. Police connected the additional murders to Williams through the same fiber evidence seen during his trial, eyewitnesses, or strong similarities to the other cases.
Our FOX 5 senior I-Team reporter Dale Russell is in a unique position to reexamine these cases. He covered the trial of Wayne Williams in 1982. In this FOX 5 I-Team special, he revisits the trial, examining the courtroom evidence, speaking with key lawyers, investigators, forensic experts, and three of the surviving jurors who provide fascinating insight into what they saw in the courtroom and why they found Wayne Williams guilty of murder.
And, Dale shares a dramatic moment with the mother of one child murder victim who tells him, after hearing all the evidence, that she finally has closure.
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All those precious little boys that didn’t get to grow up and the families pain of loosing their babies it’s so sad.😢
Wayne Williams is an arrogant monster..He was always so smug and thought he was smarter than everyone else
yep- glad they caught him
One look at him and you just knew
foi ótimo terem posto ele pra testemunhar, deu um chilique, xingou todo mundo aí o júri pode vê a verdadeira cara dele...agressivo..arrogante..foi um tiro no pé pra defesa ter deixado ele testemunhar, um advogado experiente já teria visto o caráter dele e não deixaria isso acontecer..a acusação tinha muitas testemunhas, não me lembro das da defesa...uns gatos pingados com certeza...essa advogada não foi pareo pro FBI..um promotor competente...peritos...a acusação passou feito um rolo compressor sobre a defesa...até hoje quando o reporte perguntou a advogada sobre isso ela não tinha o que falar...
genius insight.
Bless you all for doing this. He’s managed to convince too many people that he was wrongly convicted.
Thank you. I've lived with this crime spree for 40 years. It is an amazingly misunderstood case. But the trial told the story as well as it could be told. Thanks for watching
his defense attorney needs to take her L along with him
Far too many people just don't want to believe he did it because of the colour of his skin which is an incredibly stupid way of judging the likelihood of him being a murderer. I'm sure most reasonable people would have preferred it to have been the KKK, a group everyone already knew was evil, but virtually everything points at Williams and always has.
@@DaleRussellFox5 I think you mean the trial told the story that was most palatable and convenient. I am sure your research led you to Jamie Brooks, Tom Terrell, Larry Marshall, "Wyatt Earp", Tom Wilcoxen, the Sanders Brothers, Mike Thevis and the City of Atlanta government, the connections to Capn Pegs and The Challenge School. "Amazingly misunderstood" is a generous journalistic stroke of the pen. WW is guilty, yes but this is a far more sinister case than of just one man.
Show us the proof
And still, all we remember is the name Wayne Williams. The names of those boys should be imprinted in our heads. Give Williams a number.
He already has a number...his prison number
what happened to innocent until proven guilty?
The fact that he hated these poor kids, yet chased them down with recruitment fliers, marks him guilty. You dont go out of your way for people you hate unless theres an ulterior motive.
Yes 💯
Exactly 💯
100
That was his bait.
@@rosa9251 I agree with you 💯
Of all documentaries on this topic, this one offers the best explanation of the evidence and facts of the case.
Thanks. Your comment is greatly appreciated.
@@DaleRussellFox5 I have to agree. I've never seen the fiber evidence connected to the 10 children so thoroughly explained. The cross reference of dog hair and different fibers to the multiple sets of children was powerful.
Except it does not present ANY of the evidence of suspects that would point in other or additional directions. Yes, WW was involved but there were several killerssome of who were loosely affiliated with the child pedo prono rings in ATL
If you go into the literature, it's very, very obvious Wayne was directly involved in several murders. And those victims share details with others, suggesting Wayne was also involved with those. I don't know if he killed all of them, but he sure as hell killed many.
I have seen many, MANY comments of people saying that Wayne didn't kill ALL of the children, but he killed some!! And I always ask, "which ones do you think Wayne committed and WHY?"" And if Wayne didn't do all of them, then who did the rest?? The Atlanta Murders were not committed by one person or even two or three, because not all of the murders were connected!! The official Task Force list was very arbitrary as to who made the list, and why?? It started off with young kids, 8,9, 10. Then teenagers are added to the list,then finally, adults. The two adults are who Wayne was tried and convicted. Why the age progression?? What does 9, 10 year old kids have to do with adult convicted felons?? The 2 girls should never have been placed on the List, because their cases had nothing to do with the rest! The Task Force list was formed by police commissioner Lee Brown, as a direct result of the pressure put on him by several of the victims' mothers. The mothers had formed an organization, "STOP Prevent Child Murders". They were very vocal about the murders and they were interviewed often by the local news. Sometimes, a victim was placed on the List, because the mother went to the press and complained, and demanded their child be placed on the List, so unfortunately, the List was almost useless. Some of the victims were involved in street crimes, like selling drugs, etc., then, the FBI believed that one, possibly two of the victims were killed by relatives. Then there were several that did seem to be connected. Those victims were seen at the homes of, or in the presence of known gay pedophiles. Witnesses came forward and told police that they and some of the victims, had been paid to take nude pictures, and have sex acts done to them by the pedophiles! The police discovered a pedophile ring operating in the area of Atlanta where children went missing and were found dead. For some reason, the police did not pursue those leads, and never really investigated the pornography ring, despite several of the victims were involved in homosexual behavior with pedophiles. Several of these youngsters knew each other, and one victim, 16 year old Patrick Rogers knew close to 15 victims on the list!!! Another problem with the List are the murdered kids that weren't added because their parents were not vocal about the murders. Some of the victims NOT added, knew a lot of the kids that WERE added!! There were connections all over the place with these killings, with suspects and witnesses and the police failed miserable! The majority of the victims on the List were connected because they knew each other or they shared something in common, like living in the same apartment complex, or attending the same school, or playing basketball at the same community centers. When looking at the wealth of information the police and the Task Force had, it makes no sense why several suspects weren't taken into custody for murder, or at the very least, sex with a minor!!! I really don't think the police wanted to solve the murders, because it was the tip of the iceberg of what was going on in Atlanta at that time.
And as far as Wayne Williams is concerned, I think he was a child pornographer who knew some of the victims and their killers. He took nude pictures of boys then passed them along to pedophiles "clients" to choose a boy that they wanted! Wayne was involved, but not as a killer.
@@rucianapollard7098 That was really interesting to read. I only heard about Williams and these crimes a few years while watching a Netflix drama called Mindhunter.
I’m not surprised to hear that law enforcement, especially in that era, would turn a blind eye to evidence and go for the easiest convictions.
I’m curious, how did u come across all this info? Did u grow up in that area and time?
@@rucianapollard7098 All of the suspects Jimmy Brooks, and the others all eventually went to prison for pedophilia crimes. So
say obviously it wasn't a cover up for those suspects. Their homes were tested for trace evidence connections with zero matches. Wayne Williams had 40 different fibers connected to 25 victims. That fact can't be ignored.
@@rucianapollard7098 Great piece.
@mrtn123 I can't remember if I responded to your message about the Atlanta Murders. I was too young to remember the actual murders but I was 9 when the Atlanta Child Murders movie came on TV, and I was terrified! I started reading and researching the cases about 10 years ago. Through my research, I learned that there was a gross miscarriage of justice in these cases!! It is evident, or should have been, that more than one killer was operating in Atlanta during the height of the murders! Some of the victims were involved in street crimes, and some were involved in a child pedophile ring. Several of the victims knew each other. There were several suspects who had been seen with victims, and for some reason, the police didn't pursue those leads. Wayne Williams is not a killer, but he definitely knew what was going on in Atlanta. With the research I've done, I really believe that Wayne was a child pornographer who took nude pictures of boys and teenagers and passed them around the gay pedophile ring. A "customer" could choose a boy, and Wayne could deliver the kid to the customer. I think he knew several of the victims and their killers, and he may have disposed of some of the bodies.
When she said "Wayne killed Curtis" I felt that.
Who is curtis.
@@philipwilliams1754 one of the missing and murdered children.
@@bayi-gubi Poor Curtis Walker
@@philipwilliams1754 Curtis Walker, one of the Atlanta Child Murders victim. His uncle, Stanley Murry, was murdered a few months after Curtis.
@@philipwilliams1754did you not watch the video?
I am so angry. 🤬🤬 I can't believe that once the trial was over, no one from the police department sat down with any of the victims' families to explain the evidence and assure them that their children's murderer was never getting out of prison. Families need some sort of closure after horrific tragedies in order to continue moving forward. That poor mother has been fighting for over 40 years for answers that the police could have answered back in the 80's.
Because they didn’t have a clue who really killed these kids.
Body cam now show what some policemen have done and been doing throughout history
Because the police knew it wasn't him who killed those kids.
@@AMAZINGFANTASYSPORTSGAMINGyou should watch the documentary where they interviewed a lot of victim's families and people who lived in that area. He killed those poor kids
Because they couldn't prove it was Wayne.
I mean bc they don't have evidence enough to convict him why would they sit down and lie to those parents. It's 40 years later and they still cant prove he did it... Maybe bc he didnt do it
I find it hard to believe some people don't believe the fiber evidence
There's not a chance that anyone other than Wayne Williams in the universe did this period.
Would you believe that a police officer came out in a tell all . They were all kkk members of the police force . The truth is out there
Right and he’s the only one on the bridge that night
The body was dumped after the last night of the stake out, and it was found on the opposite side of the bank against the current.
@@A0.9172 miles downstream? Ur telling me in 2 miles of river that's not even that wide a body, that was thrown in the middle, couldn't be pushed either way? Come on!!! 😂
except the fiber evidence was inconclusive thus him still not being convicted. It's not a matter of believing it when the evidence is useless
The part with Curtis's mother really hit me. Thank you so much for sitting down and really explaining to her what the evidence was.
😅😅
It was an honor.
Would you be interested to hear that the real killer conference years later and why they where killing children of c
@@Trebeany???
Very sad, to see Curtis mother.
Robbed of her little son by
That monster!
You can fool some people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Exactly
Amen.
Truer words have never been spoken!!
Hell yea. Spoken the truth.
This time in Atlanta history is so sad !! Those young men who will never grow up , get married & have children!! Breaks your heart to see such cruelty .
"Get married et have children" Wtf ?
He was a narcissist, thinking he was so much better than these poor kids. He was trying to rid society of them.
This is nothing but truth!
Mary Welcome wasn't ready! And that juror was RIGHT 100%, it was the COMBINATION of fibres that did it!
Well did you know, that if i as a police officer with a search warrant could enter your house,collect things without your knowing,take so call evidence and plan it on the deceased and said you did it.?
@@chrispate66881 uhh yeah that's literally NOT how that works but clearly you're either not given it much thought it your are that unintelligent lmao
They didn’t tell people the carpet fibers were in tons of commercial business.
@@bruceleroy838again it wasn't only one fiber from one source it's hundreds of fibers from numerous sources that were all found in the same configuration on numeric victims. The odds are astronomical that that more than one person has that same configuration and even more astronomical that they were from anywhere other than Williams.
They got it right. Wayne is narcissist,very arrogant and a liar. He has that small man 's syndrome. Very manipulative,look how he did his parents. Biggest flag of serial killers are the ones who impersonate law inforcement.He was caught doing this,had lights on the car and everything. A psycho predator pedophile preying on young boys. Full of animal cunning. The jurors got it right.
Thank You for helping Curtis’ mother to finally know who killed her precious child. Too bad no one at the DA’s office thought to do that.
I mean it’s public information. Why didn’t she just look it up and research it herself like we are all doing now
@@clutchhattrick8767imagine even having to do that, that's the point
But he still hasnt been convicted of the murder so how is this helpful?
My father raised and trained German Shepherds when I was a boy In the 70s. He was called to Atlanta to search for missing children, I remember it vividly, it was very scary to me at ten years old, very scary. Wayne Wiliams is guilty, no doubt about it
I agree that Wayne is guilty, just not for murder.
Daniel, I met most of the trainers who came to town to help search for missing children. What was your father's name? If he is still alive, please thank him for his service to the Atlanta community.
@@DaleRussellFox5 Robert Crawford.... from Philadelphia..... I don't know with what group they went down there with.... He was a Lt at Graterford prison and a Marine vet.... Vietnam
If Wayne Williams is the 'Atlanta Child Murderer', why was he not charged for a single child murder? Wouldn't be surprised if he's innocent.
@@rucianapollard7098hes definitely guilty of murder. But the real question is if he’s responsible for killing the children. At the very least i believe he had something to do with the murder of those 2 adult men.
He wasn't driving the city streets looking for radio tower locations , he was driving the city streets looking for victims .
I thought the video that was shot by a local producer for a project unrelated to the murders was fascinating. A young Wayne Williams driving the streets, and examining a map of Atlanta.
You dam sho right about tht I just hope the parents open there eyes an see that he kill some of them children's?
I'm from Atlanta and remember the panic in the city..and now it's more terror with all the random crime here..
Everything...the fiber evidence, witness testimonies, and the night when he dumped the body over the bridge and the bodies washed up a couple of days later is undisputable! Wayne Williams is where he belongs.
In my eyes of his physique could not have through and adult over the bridge. I can't carry my 2 year old son's. 2 years was all I had to carry them. I'm awoman though!! I question that!!
Williams doesn`t seem very bodily strong. But in certain situations ppl get pumped up with hormones for example by committing a crime or doing something that elates them, gives them strength you wouldn`t believe. Same thing with real old ppl. men, you`d be surprised how much physical power they can insert if necassary. Still, since it`s been 40 yrs., in a case with this magnitude DNA should be obligated to be tested on all his assumed victims. Period. @@corettahiggins6694
@corettahiggins6694 did you hear his friend say he carried a showcase shelf with 1 arm.
No he belongs in hell
@@johndreadawson9574Thats not the dead weight of a body.
Wow, the mother stated she wanted an immediate media broadcast whenever a child goes missing. This was 1980. AMBER Alerts and Levi’s Call (GA alert) weren’t put in effect until 1996 and 1997, respectively. Hmm. I’m wondering why there was a sudden call to action when the idea had already been posed nearly 20 years before…
The problem really was the fault of law enforcement, because during the 70s and 80s, they dismissed a lot of youngsters as "runaways". It is true that some kids did leave home on their own, and a lot of them hitchhiked across the country, but so many kids were kidnapped and found murdered. I grew up in the 80s and I remember that pictures of missing kids were on boxes of milk. Nowadays, if a child is reported missing, the police jump on it, because they know that the best time to find a child alive is within the 1st 24 hours.
First ppl had no cell phones at the time and 2nd this was more of an isolated incident, in which it was just one killer, killing kids and wasn't a big nationwide problem. Please stop insinuating that no one cares about Blacks lmao
Camille Bell was that you never seen her sad or crying or despondent about her child or any of the others. She was always angry and critical. I know everyone weeps differently but I suspect she not only had an idea of who may have killed her son but her public demeanor was a way to mask her regret or parenting decision. And she LOVED the limelight. The trips, the cameras and interviews, THE MONEY. When watched as a whole, a lot of her public presentation seemed to be more about identifying her as THE mother of the slain children. She did not want to concede the narrative to any other community leader. For example, there is TV clips from a townhall meeting just after the Bowen Homes tragedy. Camille Bell is seated on the front row as different citizens shared their opinions. The camera cuts to her as a "very urban" peer is trying to express themselves. She doesn't agree with the approach so she rolls her eyes and then interrupts by offering some passing support and then dismissing herself in a hurry. I believe Yusuf was killed by an acquaintance of his father. The MO of stranger danger passing by and saying "hey lil boy do you wanna make some money" doesn't apply here as he was running an errand already to make a lil change. His body was not dumped but rather hidden as to have not been found and then strangely found by a school janitor. A school janitor and family friend also identified his body. He was found in a school. There was a witness who saw the father with Yusuf, etc. The one string of information that MAY point to Yusuf being killed by one of the child murderers is that a witness came forward after the Timothy Hill killing to say that he and Hill would go to the Salvation Army to steal things because they knew the security guard, Larry Marshall. Marshall would lead them to the back of the store where they would be sodomized by waiting men. This little boy said he also knew Yusuf. Birds of a feather? Maybe. But I still think the details surrounding his killing points to the father. Camille was so outspoken that no one wanted to confront her with this.
@@lovablevietboy if your child got killed you would be angry as well I know I would this case is 40 years old she wants justice so she have to be strong enough to keep going
Sister like Mike Jack say they don't really care about us.
Wayne Williams was playing a game
during a time that NO ONE else was playing.
Wym
We all know he did it!! Simple when he was arrested, no more bodies😮
Heather, please go do some research on the Atlanta Murders. The murders didn't stop when Wayne went to prison. There were other murdered children after Wayne was long gone. Just do some research
@@rucianapollard4057 Of course there were other murdered children. But, were they killed in one location, some or all of their clothes removed, and then dumped in another location? I'd be happy to investigate any names you have that match those conditions. The internal police review going on now is doing exactly that.
@@dalerussell6677 Read, "The List," by Chet Dettlinger. He listed the names of other victims killed after Wayne went to prison.
That proves nothing. I agree he's guilty, but the fact that the murders stopped when he was arrested is not meaningful. That fact alone could be explained if the real killer decided to let someone who was arrested for his crimes, take the blame, and stop the killings with a good chance of getting away with them.
@@dougrobbins5367 man they don't just stop!! They can't. It's a sick impulse they have that they can't stop. Read some books or watch some documentaries on the subject.
Great documentary
Thank you. It was a product of 40 years of work.
Williams was scouting for prospects just like all the other serial killers, Jeffery Dalmar, John Wayne Gacey, Ted Bundy. These individuals first have zero compassion for their victims, trains himself to honestly believe that the victim somehow deserved exactly what he ended up getting.
está certo, esses psicopatas sempre arrumam um jeito de atrair as vítimas, dhamer com a história das fotos, ted band pedindo ajuda pois estava com gesso no braço..o palhaço assassino oferecia emprego.. outros chamam crianças pra ajudar a procurar o cachorro dele que sumiu..e por aí vão...
Your theory proves true most of the time, but Wayne was out at 2:30 am in isolated Cobb County. It's not likely he would have found anyone to "grab"
They Show No Empathy, Most Serial Killers Are Born Without It.
@@rucianapollard7098sure he may not have been looking for a victim at 2:00 am. But 2:00 AM in a rural area is very convenient time and place to dispose of a corpse
@@dwightpage4392most serial killers are also child abuse victims, if they arent born without empathy they lose it during that trauma.
In the details section, part of the text appears twice. Good coverage: concise and informative. Thank you.
Thanks.
I remember this case very well as if it were yesterday. I mostly remember crying 😢for all those precious little boys. Who already had a rough go at life. Then they ran into this monster who’s gonna make them rich and famous. What a great scam to come up with to offer these children😢😢😢😢I still think about this case. And I’m thankful they were on the bridge that night waiting for the monster.. had it been three hours later the police were no longer going to be staking out those 24 bridges. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢just such loss of beautiful baby boys. I still pray for the families 😢😢😢😢
It was a horrible, sad time in Atlanta's history. By the end, there was almost a murder every week.
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Me too I knew the first kid
Literally every week
@@bruceleroy838 Bruce, how did you know him. Do you mean Alfred or Edward?
I'm a grown man but can't help by Cry listening to that mother who they didn't have the time to explain to her what happened with her child. 😢
It was heart breaking.
I cry too!
masterful work!
Is his old lawyer allowed to say she thinks he's guilty? She sounds like a moron saying "Wayne seemed like a sweet kid"
This definitely one of the best done detective and forensic expert on fabric analysis all work together to solve and cut this monster and convict him at the end ..great job.
Weird how William encountered every murdered child & adult...
Wayne didn't encounter "every" murdered child and adult! The prosecution couldn't provide even 1 witness who saw Wayne with any kids!!
@@rucianapollard7098 Doesn't mean that they did not exist as I have seen some witnesses, in videos on the case, that were never included in the court proceedings. Also, those that had similar contact with WW as the murder victims but were not killed, this goes toward his character and MO. So, her statement is not so incorrect or far-fetched at all.
@@rucianapollard7098 well he must have as he killed them all
@@rucianapollard7098 If you're driving around looking for kids for years, he will eventually meet every single kid in the Atlanta area, its not hard. Use your brain
@@rucianapollard7098 doesn’t mean there weren’t any …
The climate this happened in clouded so many facts and made it close to impossible to fully finding the truth about the poor kids.. truly horrible and sad to not find some closure for these families
Watch the special. You will better understand the evidence.
@@DaleRussellFox5 will check it
@@hellojam7965 thought they found WW’s parents dog hairs on victims etc etc and carpet fibers too
@@eblawrence85The Sanders Brothers also had green carpet and a German shep mutt. I think there is 3 or 4 killers, wayne being one but I'm not too sure which ones. I think the boys that were found in groups was by 1 person, the older men another, girls 1 or more, Yusuf another, and the rest of the boys 1 or more. I lean towards Wayne being the boys in groups.
@@zebraskin
I agree that Wayne Williams DIDN’T murder ALL of these victims.
I was a child in 1982, I remember this though, so horrible and tragic with all of these child victims. He is a sick and disgusting man
This man did none of these killings he is a scapegoat he wasnt even charged for no kid murders
@@MrVERBALASSAULT Infact he did, it's just that mayor don't want to give 100 thousand dollars to anyone and hence offically never said this
Stacy honey.... Stop. He most certainly did do it
@@MrVERBALASSAULT Seek help , yes he did do it and yes he was charged with kid murders. I am assuming you can use the internet as you used it to comment on my comment. Do your research
@@Sbamabelle
Use it. He was convicted of none of the child murders.
I’m not saying he didn’t kill some of them. I’m saying he was convicted with none.
It's horrifying to think about how these murders affected our city. I've gone back and forth about whether Williams did it, but seeing the fiber evidence in this video has me leaning toward guilty. Even so, I hope they can find a way to do a DNA test. I think we'd all rest easier having that kind of conclusive evidence.
@@AzharMalik-yc4hk atkids pro Williams.. Atkids claims every witness, lawyer,cop, scientist, family member that's not pro Williams are lier's. The podcast so lopsided it lacks credibility.
@@ericthomas8898 That's not true go look at episode 15 than came back and post.
Yes I agree, because my thoughts over the years were vacillating due to limited evidence, but the more evidence presented, the more I think that the right guy is in jail. There is also a psych. profile that can point to him well also. Will write about it at a later date, it is very interesting!
@@AzharMalik-yc4hk Every time someone brings up solid evidence, your only reply has to do with some 15 minute video from ATKID. How is that one source more reliable than forensic science? You must be a clown, because you sure love attention.
This news report is so lopsided that it lacks credibility.
Has anybody noticed the commercials have 3 instead of 5 seconds till you can skip through?. Good for youtube. Finally
The evidence against this poor excuse of a human being was irrefutable. That many fibres from different sources all connected to him was always going to show that he committed all of these murders along with eye witnesses placing in the company of some of these people shortly before they went missing. Great report to show everyone that evidence albeit it 40 years later. I feel for those innocent murdered little boys and their families. I cannot imagine the pain and sadness in their hearts. That monster should have been put to death like all these others that commit such atroceties. Am really not sure why we would keep these creatures alive to live out their days when they afforded no such mercy to their victims! Rot in hell Wayne Williams!!!
They don't know that those fibers are the same - they literally showed 2 red lines and said "see, it's the same fiber"... How did anyone fall for that.. the biggest fugazi ever
Couldn't have put it better myself mate. I agree with u 💯. 👌🏼
I'm in Australia and I remember this case well. He's as guilty as sin and a notorious liar. He couldn't lie straight in bed. Those profilers got him down pat and had his moves already rock solid stated before he did those things. They (the profilers) said that he'd start dumping bodies in water after the media stated that evidence was being collected from the bodies. He did just that and that was what eventually got him got. If he didn't think he was smarter than the police (like so many criminals do) he might have behaved differently, slowed or stopped his behaviour but, no, he kept up his unstoppable behaviour and that got him got !! He's a real killer and he's where he belongs.
he was nevere even charged with any Atlanta child murder. He was framed to calm the community.
@@royharper2003why did they stop after he was arrested then?
@@vb593 They didn't. The news just stopped reporting them. I've seen a documentary where they interviewed people that lived in the area and they said kids were still being killed but not as many. Plus, the killer(s) may have just moved somewhere else.
@royharper2003 maybe deaths of children didn't stop but the frequnt pattern of killings did stop
@@royharper2003he definitely was involved. I've heard the kkk conspiracies and some other suspects . Certain fibers and other evidence matches his dog's hair and carpet in the Williams home. Evidence from Wayne's car was on their bodies Way too coincidental . What was he doing on the bridge that night then told a freind he was tossing trash ok smh. The main thing is the lady he said he was searching her address that night never existed . Too fishy
After all these years the defense lawyer can’t admit her client was guilty, is their some stipulations that permit defense lawyers from ever admitting the guilt of their clients ?
It doesn't matter what Williams says, once he was imprisoned the murders stopped, speaks for itself doesn't it.
Yes it does.
I do agree his guilty. But the fact they stopped after he was caught is not that compelling to me. A smart kill3r would move his crimes somewhere else so that the guy arrested for them can take the blame
Right!!!!! Killings didnt stop in atlanta, but the child pattern murders did
This case is exceptionally disturbing. Boys stopped showing up strangled once he was behind bars. Thank goodness.
Those poor kids and the families.
Just brutal.
I can understand defence attorneys defending non violent criminals so people who have lost there way in life picked up drug addictions and out there rip an running to survive but how someone can justify trying to get a murderer, rapist and more to the point t an absolute monster out killing children is beyond me what if you actually got them off and they go out and kill again meaning you would be directly responsible for that occurring it's just so evil how would any decent human being live with that.
If no one will defend you it isn't a trial, it's a lynching. You cannot be tried without the opportunity to be defended.
They're doing their job so just because someone is accused of murder they shouldn't be allowed a lawyer?
@@teenoneofyabusiness1424 That's the attitude of too many people. Meanwhile prosecutors get away with murder - literally. See Douglas S. Mouser.
You know about all the faustly accused people
My comment is rather shallow I get that and upon further reflection I accept that someone must do it and that everybody must get a fair trail also I salute the defence attorneys for doing such a vital and incredibly difficult job it must be truly soul destroying to be in a position were your defending a monster and because you were successful that monster goes out and harms another innocent life is precious so for the few innocent people accused of something heinous you must have fair trails im not sure what the answer is but again I salute people who do such important and difficult jobs.
Lord bless those lost souls and their Parents.
This was absolutely amazing! I working on a series on the Atlanta Child Murders. How do I go about asking for access to the trial evidence?
Access will be near impossible. We were granted the first-ever, post-conviction access to all the evidence, but the case is technically still open.
Great show
Thanks Tyler, I appreciate it. I've covered this case my entire career. I've talked to Wayne many times over the years. He always maintins his innocence. I covered the trial and have covered most of the appeals. I've seen new DNA evidence emerge. Though not definitive, it strengthened the case. The debate will never end. Still, I think it is important for viewers and readers to know the facts presented at trial.
@@DaleRussellFox5 The evidence seems overwhelming that he killed Patrick Baltazar.
Either he did it, or this is the greatest frame up job I've ever seen
who killed JFK?
@@royharper2003🤣 "it's a mystery wrapped in riddle inside an enigma"🤣 ~Joe Pesci/JFK~
Unnerving to think that these serial killers just look like the average person you see walking down the street everyday.
Totally agree.
We need a or a series on this
I remember when it was happening, listening to the news and they were reporting yet another boy was found. It was a scary time. And when they caught him. Is he still alive? He'd be a senior now but I'm curious.
Yes, he is. Still in state prison.
Alive and kicking smh
40 yrs and doesnt know the evidence?? God love her, dont know what its like to even go though something so gruesome, but id of went a looked into it. RIP ALL THE CHILDREN, NOT ONLY IN ATLANTA, BUT AROUND THE WORLD THAT HAS THEIR LIFE SNUFFED OUT BY SCUM. for all the families and victims❤❤❤❤
Mind hunters lays this out perfectly
So you think he is guilt because of Mindunters?
Why would anyone will want to be a killer
Something I could never shake off about this case was the feeling that others were involved possibly a whole ring of child murdering sickos
I feel that, I feel the same way about our government officials
Thats silly conspiracy theory logic.
Yes I wonder if he did it did he have help?
yes , as much as i KNEW in my gut that WW was guilty , i also strongly felt that he was the patsy for a pe do rung
I still Got My 11 alive whistle......I can remember Mrs Coretta King standing on top of the hill while we were marched to school...
Famo plz go check out ATKID unleashed episode 15 it has a movie attached to it. And watch some live shows.
We need people like u to come on the show and share your experience I know it's was a tough time for our people in Atlanta doing that time it was a tough time for our people cross the map. It's so much other s*** that went on it has absolutely nothing to do with Wayne.
@@AzharMalik-yc4hk nahh it wasn't tough until after the crack
He is a creep and used to just toy with the interviewers
,enjoying the attention. The disparaging way he spoke about these children and the young men.
He definitely is responsible for all of this.
I know, he's absolutely guilty and an absolutely vile person. He loved the attention like u said. I hope he's not enjoying the attention he's getting in jail!
He was guilty and I hope he rots in prison
You are delusional if you think WW murdered all of the boys and men
It’s crazy how he gon deny it until the end.
To kill that many kids and not get the death sentence is crazy. His guilty as charged , bang to rights.
He’s not innocent
NEWS REPORTER: "Two men in the court room, engaged in verbal hand to hand combat"........ 😂😂😂
Big Wayne did that sh*t.
I always found it an extremely odd coincidence that the first child found was in an abandoned school. Wayne Williams parents were school teachers. That's like finding a body at a post office and the suspect had parents that were retired postal workers. This fact has never been brought up. It was the first body found. Way too coincidental.
What are you getting at??
@@trubin5619 Obviously something that no one ever brings up.
Actually, Yusuf Bell was the 4th child to be murdered. Edward Hope Smith and Alfred Evans were the firsts to go missing and be found. Smith was shot. Evans was stabbed. Milton Harvey was next. He was strangled. Yusuf Bell’s case was not thought to be part of the ATKid cases. He’s COD was undetermined. Also, he was shoved in a crawl space and his feet had been washed as if some part of a ritual.
@@sarkissamuel *""IT IS VERYLIKELY-THAT WAYNE B. WILLIAMS KNEW THE-LAYOUT OF THAT ATLANTA PUBLIC-SCHOOL OF WHICH-WAS ABANDONED, ""I THINK IT WAS E.P. JOHNSON ELEMENTARY, ""YUSEF'S BODY WASLOCATED-INSIDE A NARROW-UTILITY-SHAFT LEVELED WITH-THEFLOOR, ""A CUSTODIAN SPOTTED THECORPSE-OF YUSEF BELL AT THEBOTTOM OF THATNARROW-SHAFT, ""THISWAS-INFACT VERYSCARY, ""I CANNOT FORGET THE-WORDS OF THE-FORMER-DISTRICT ATTORNEY LOUIS SLATON SAYING THAT THERE IS MORE-THANONE-SERIALKILLER AT LARGE THROUGHOUT-THEMETRO-ATLANTA AREA AT THETIME, ""LOUIS SLATON GAVE AN APPROXIMATE-NUMBER OF KILLERS AT LARGE ABOUT EIGHT TO TEN KILLERS KILLING WITH REGULARITY, ""THEYWERE-NEVER BROUGHT TO ⚖️ JUSTICE""!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
@@sarkissamuel *""NEWYORK-POLICE-OFFICERS APPREHENDED THE-SON OF SAM IN A MATTER OF A FEWMONTHS-DUE TO A NEWYORK-POLICE-OFFICER OF WHOM ISSUED DAVID BERKOWITZ A PARKING-VIOLATION ON HIS 1977 FORD-GALAXY, ""THIS IS HOW THE SON OF SAM WAS-APPREHENDED VIA A PARKINGTICKET, ""NONE OF THE-COMPOSITE-SKETCHES LOOKED NOTHING CLOSE TO SON OF SAM, ""THESKETCHES-ALL LOOKEDLIKE-DIFFERENT SUSPECTS OR VARIOUS-SHOOTERS, ""ONESHOOTER-WAS-INFACTSPOTTED-BY A CITIZEN CAUGHT IN THEACT OF A SHOOTING, ""THATSHOOTER-HAD A BLONDE-WIG ON HISHEAD ANDWAS-A VERYTHIN-BUILDMAN, ""DAVID BERKOWITZ WAS A CHUBBY FATGUY""!!!!!*
The child murdered in the laundromat,DNA matched a man whom died in Prison from AIDS.
Jamie Brooks!! The victim was Clifford Jones and there were 3 eyewitness that saw Brooks sodimize and strangle Clifford in the laundromat, then later dispose of his body beside a dumpster, just yards from his door!!! The witnesses told police what they saw, and at least one of them wanted to arrest Brooks, but the next week, Wayne was caught on the bridge!! It is noteworthy that another victim Terry Pue, was known to hang out at the laundromat, which everyone in the neighborhood knew was a gay hangout, and a couple of witnesses saw him there at the same time as Clifford. One private investigator of the cases had reason to believe that Terry procured Clifford for Brooks, then later became a victim himself
Facts
It was the Clifford Jones murder. Jamie Brooks killed him
@@iam01 This child also had trilobal carpet fibres on him.
@@iam01 The two men Wayne was convicted of killing,found in the river,death certificate stated ,''cause of death unknown.'After Wayne was rearrested.These bodie's were found before Wayne was stopped on the bridge.
I'm glad that this case can be put to rest, it annoyed me that that Netflix series Mind Hunter implied that there is some remaining uncertainty of who was responsible for the killings despite the fact that after he was arrested the killings stopped totally. With all the evidence it is very clear that he did them all.
No season3 it seems
I got rid of Netflix a long time ago it's full of false narratives
@@bingeAndChill1 sadly the show is very good even though that particular part was annoying
Do not impose on others what you do not wish for yourself.
Just because killings were not reported does not mean it stopped.
The Jury found him guilty because he was guilty and the fiber evidence you presented is enough to convince me. The evidence was too much of a coincidence not to be true beyond any reasonable doubt. ❤
Thanks for watching.
Wayne is guilty but the true scope and entire story we will never know. My theory is he was involved in a larger child exploitation ring where he was a "finder" and fixer/cleaner. But he's never fully confessed because he's compromised himself. He was the guy who'd drop off the kids to "producers" or "agents" but they were child mo's and either Wayne or the John would off the kid, often thru strangulation, similar to other 70s era killers like Gacy, Dean Corrll, etc. Gacy/Corrll connection was explored in the Clown and Candyman documentary.
The two adults he was charged for were no saints and could've been involved but later ousted. Wayne did the dumping.
After Wayne's image of child prodigy failed, and likely mixed sexual feelings, he fell into the Atlanta underworld, with his elderly parents ignorant/unwilling to admit his true nature (only child complex), and he eventually stumbled into child exploitation, knowing how lucrative and well connected many clients (lawyers, business owners etc) were.
Mix this with a narcissistic personality disorder. Arresting Wayne didn't stop the larger deeper rings. It be 30 years until Amber Alert was created.
Interesting theory. And it was examined during the investigation. But, no evidence of it ever surfaced.
That was a common theory, but there was no evidence at the time to back it up.
You laid that out pretty well! I agree 100% that Wayne got involved with the child sex-for-higher ring operating in Atlanta. I think he was a child pornographer. He took nude pictures of boys and teenagers, and passed them around the ring. That way, a "client" could choose a boy, and Wayne may have even taken the kid to the client. I think he used his "talent agency" to procure boys for the ring, and I'm pretty sure he was paid for every boy he brought in. The victims were totally exploited because nearly all of them were very poor, and they were willing to pose nude, or allow pedophiles to perform sexual acts on them for money!! I think the kids were killed to protect the members of the ring, which I contend were highly esteemed members of the community, ex: teachers, ministers, city officials, etc. It's highly likely that Wayne's role in the Atlanta Murders is as pornographer and procurer. He knew a lot of the victims and he knew the killers. Some of them did time in prison for unrelated offenses, and some have since died. At least one very strong suspect, died of AIDS in prison in the 90s.
The Atlanta Child Murders were much bigger than Wayne And!!
this is the first comment I've seen that made the connection between this and JWG and DC. But there may be evidence of an even bigger operation going on. Kidnappings in California, Ohio, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, England and Belgium..... makes you wonder
Why is he alive?
Williams trial attorney :
"Whatever the splash was, could have been a wild animal or whatever....."
"Whatever could have been whatever...", as a defence statement, it ain't exactly compelling.
I know 'gut instinct' can't be used in court but sometimes don't you just 'feel it'. That's how I felt when this was all happening. It must be maddening for detectives when in their heart and mind they know the truth and they also know the suspect could walk free.
There were no pattern,the bodie's south of the bridge was the two Wayne was charged with.The children found before the bridge,were part of a so called pattern.
What pattern??
@@rucianapollard7098 Strangulation was the pattern
@Halo_1128 The victims of the Atlanta Child Murders were killed in an array of different ways. Some of the victims were shot, stabbed, strangled, asphyxiated, and some were undetermined. So again, I ask, what "pattern??"
Most of them were in a chokehold, partly unclothed and found miles from home. That's the pattern
Wayne Williams was also gay the body that he threw in the water he was a known homosexual that wasn't mentioned 🤔👍🏿
Exactly...n i believe that nathaniel cater was helping wayne kill, and they were lovers, then something went wrong and wayne killed him
Netflix Minehunter brings me here, Netflix covers this in season 2.
Why did they stop the show? It was awesome!! The way it was playing out was the buildup to BTK. At the beginning of every episode we got a short glimpse of BTK escalating. Great show. The dude who played Ed Kemper was great!!
one of my fav shows !! I wish they came up with new season but sadly it was abandonned because of the show "costing too much money"
@@salmanebennani9327 You popped up on my reply bell, so I did not know who you were talking to. The guy playing Kemper was almost a twin or doppleganger! I was bummed that they stopped the show. It really was a unique and gripping type thingamabob lol. Loved it.
What has been the final result of the reexamination of the evidence against Wayne Williams?
Still underway. COVID slowed it down. Results expected maybe this year. I'll update you here.
DNA will prove guilt or innocence.
Still hasn't been released. COVID slowed it down. Don't expect any shocking news when it comes out.
I saw Wayne Williams come into the Dipper Dan's ice cream shop at Stewart Lakewood shopping center summer 1980. I was 14 and worked there until my encounter with him. Wayne Williams came in twice, the second time with a young boy under 13. I didn't know at the time he was the murderer but I recognized him again after they arrested him.
Fascinating story. I remember Dipper Dan's. You might have sold me an ice cream back in the day!
He was definitely involved, but no way did he act alone in all these murders
How did he act
@@jocekhiy626 He seemed very motivated and energetic back then but thinking about it now, it is eerie and disgusting.
@@lovablevietboy I can understand.
Did the murders stop after he got placed in jail.
BINGO!!
Yes Wayne Williams stopped murdering people when he was locked up in Jail
YES.
It’s Atlanta of course they didn’t
Not necessarily
Pudgy creep. He was jealous of those kids. Stealing their youth because his wasn't fulfilled.
So this is the guy Notorious BIG was referring to on the song What’s Beef.
Yes, Ms. Welcome, it can be overwhelming to defend a guilty client
The FBI director was right when he says he wasn’t spotted because the environment were he was killing, the kids were confortable that’s the reason also he wasn’t suspected
Most all of us in the media knew Wayne. He freelanced in our newsrooms. A lot of cops knew him. He was in no way a threatening figure. How could suspect someone you've worked with? He fit in seamlessly.
WW was angry alright: because he GOT CAUGHT. Guilty as SIN. BEYOND the reasonable doubt of any reasonable human being. THAT is why WW languishes in prison. AND he still has hell to look forward to. Good RIDDANCE.
I remember when this was going on. I was between the age of 8 and 10 from 79 to 81 and i could never understand why someone would kill a child. I am now 52 and i still cant understand why someone would do that. Sooo sooo sad.
The best evidence against him: the murders stopped after he went to jail. A serial killer cant just stop. They stop when they die or get arrested. So there you go
22:52 If "Fiber" from Wayne's bedroom in his home was on some of the Victims then that means that his Parents CLEARLY KNEW what was going on and SEEN the victims in their home
Fair assumption
Not necessarily, low income parents often work long shifts or multiple jobs, he could've done it when they weren't home
Wayne is so desperate. He killed little kids. I'm impressed that he didn't get his melon cracked or killed
very well done. the simpson street music studio has a wild story all its own, worth googling.
That it does. I was around when it was a hot and happening place.
POOR LITTLE
DARLINGS.
HEARTBREAKING.
I HOPE THERE
IS A MEMORIAL
TO THOSE LITTLE
INNOCENT SOULS.
There is a new memorial at Atlanta City Hall. Way too long in the making. Should have happened decades ago. Thanks for watching. We hope to get the facts out to the public. Not opinion, speculation, or theory - facts.
@DaleRussellFox5 oh, I am glad.
I hope to visit it 1 day.
It is 1 of the saddest
Things ever.
Those innocent little
Victims and vulnerable
Adults.
He is a monster!!
Thank you for informing
Me.......Mary..
London
@@Mary-po4ti I agree. I spent too many hours waiting on the front porches of mother's homes awaiting the news of whether their child had been found or listening to their heartbreak when their child was found dead.
@DaleRussellFox5 oh, heartbreaking 💔
I think of those
Children and their
Families often.
If only he had been
Caught much earlier!
Heartbreaking...
The 'community' in Atlanta seemed to have preferred it not be someone from Wayne Williams demographic
What community would want one of their own to do this?
This dude looks like Trippy Red ngl
Try editing your description😊
What can I fix?
Attorney in deniel😂😂😂😂😂
Well did kids stop coming up missing after he was arrested?? I’m just curious . I am from Ga and was locked up 2017 with Williams.. Maybe run some DNA and see . I know there was a lot of pressure to arrest someone frdr
Yes, they stopped.
@@KG_614 I had thought so as well .
He done it alright. No doubt about it.
How about offering him a polygraph today?....... He would refuse
Camille Bell invented the Amber Alert a decade before…
To all the doubters. Please read the FBI files that document the night Williams was stopped on the bridge. Ask yourself why would he be there at 3am?? Doing what??
Searching for a young womans address at 3am?? Please
The bridge testimony was very strong during the trial. Wayne was stopped on the bridge, directly above the point of the "loud splash" and immediately by a stake out team. Two days later Nathaniel Cater's body surfaces downstream of where they splash occurred. Testimony from one officer during the trial is Wayne's car was right next to the bridge railing, and after the splash the "lights came on and the car BEGAN to move."
@@DaleRussellFox5 couldn't have said it better myself. The scene in the tv movie from '85 depicts this wonderfully.
Sloppy case!!!
Now how his attorney not be on the kids side ...she took Wayne side 100 percent he did not do it...PLEASE
I mean... that is the job of a defendant attorney.
Could have said in the closing arguement, "and no children have shown up dead since his arrest".
I'll check, but I believe Lewis Slaton said something very close to that.
DID THE MURDERS STOP ONCE WAYNE WAS JAILED. YES!!!! SO WHAT DOES THAT SAY????? GUILTY
After he got arrested, the murders stopped completely.
False
That's not true
@@lonerebeI I’m gonna go with all the evidence and the science. Show me your facts that dispute them. Not what you feel, what you know
@@TheSinimatik If you're going off of the evidence then at least research what you're saying
@@lonerebeI I did. And all the evidence irrefutably pointed to the man currently locked up.
wayne did some serious dirt... he def got lucky he drove awey feee after that creepy bridge incident at 3am or whatever time it was