Nl: "I played some off-camera and on stream." Me: "Halleluja the misplays have come to an end! I can stop cutting myself when i watch this!" Nl: "Oh right defend is a skill." Me: "Mom get the knife, the big one!"
There were consistently better cards offered than Deadly Poison, and Bouncing Flask can brick in multiples. Him taking Prepared over Leg Sweep was bonkers though.
Flying Knee is really good for being like Outmanuveur but actually doing something on your turn. Extra energy is always welcome as the Silent as she's the queen of card draw. So yeah lol.
Exactly. Outmaneuver combos SO well when they're upgraded, especially in a smaller deck when (with the silent) you can easily play at least one every turn. It also allows those sweet poison synergies (that he also keeps passing on) to take effect more often. NL is just really bad at this game. I've played at least four less hours and have several successful runs.
I would have traded all my gold for the +14 max HP. That's more durability, that Silent needs. Its also more healing when resting at a bonfire, which Silent needs. 99 Gold for +14 Max HP is a steal.
The Silent is way more defensive though. I usually heal at max twice in a whole run, when early elites go poorly but otherwise you can often use every last bonfire for upgrades - which are way more important than heals. Because as long as a Silent is running you can block basically everything.
I ain't an expert, I've won 4 runs but the strategy I like for map pathing is going for the most bonfires possible and being super greedy with upgrades, particularly for the silent to help you mitigate damage.
What? No, remove as many core cards as possible, they're utter garbage for the Silent. Balance your ? & combat depending on what your current deck looks like and focus on one of the archetypes - don't mix & match. Either go posion, shivs, discard or the spam-build and pick only cards relevant to the strategy you're going for. At the start i'd recommend poison, because it's the easiest one to build and has the chance to get ridiculously carried by relics (Specimen and Sneck Skull mainly). I mean the posion build can one shot the end boss and two-shot the Head also posion ignores the shenanigans of many annoying enemies.
Pathing depends completely on the build you are playing. If you are weak (which you are early on), ? are best. If you are a specific combo deck, campfires are best because you will have a small deck of upgraded cards If you run a very cycle heavy deck, encounters are best as they give you more chances to pick up more copies of specific cards (offering/bloodletting/seeing red for ironclad, adrenaline etc for silent). You can even pick up strong powers along the way (*cough cough* 3 copies of noxious fumes = gg)
Hey NL, best strat for giant goblin elite is just all out attack, you are never going to outblock his damage because of the buff, so the only viable solution is to kill him before he can do too much. You will always lose HP this fight, it’s impossible not to.
I recalculated his fight with the goblin and with the order the cards were dealt he could only have saved 3 HP (10th floor) He squandered another 6 on 11th floor, 12 on the 12th and then died on 13th where he could've taken 0 dmg if played correctly.
You can 100-0 him in 2 turns if you have potions or if you can give him vulnerability and have lucked out on a Strike deck (pulling Perfected strike turn 2). But as the Silent I have yet to take less than 20 damage form that Mini-Boss.
NL I think the biggest problem you have that's causing you to make miss-plays is that you're rushing. Try to spend a few more seconds looking at the information on screen and making sure you're making the correct play/s. It's not a race. :) Overall i think this is a great series for a very cool looking game.
He just needs to learn the game a bit more. Give him like 5 more episodes then he should be fine. Just doesn't quite know what to do with all of the information. Rushing is fine when you know the game. He's used to BoI and games he knows in and out.
what I do with the Silent is remove as many strikes as possible (and remove other unnecessary cards), fill my deck with card cycling cards, and stack block/poison cards to take no damage and essentially play the stall game with enemies. It's pretty weak on the first floor, but by the second floor (if you make it) the rest of the game is easy.
you are mixing two deck archetypes. Focusing on one if very important. A pure poison deck with defensive cards is really good. A card cycling deck with like grande finale and those unplayable cards is also really good. As is a shiv deck. Mixing them up is when problems occur
Tyler C I disagree with you a bit. I don’t see deck cycling as an archetype, I see it as an inherent mechanic that _every_ deck needs. For big or small decks, it’s important to keep the cards moving and play as many as possible. It’s the same with energy: there’s no reason to *not* have energy gain, whether via relic or card. If a card like Outmaneuver or Adrenaline or Seeing Red comes up, I’m not going to pass it up because “it doesn’t fit my deck.” That’s dumb. Now, I will say that deck cycling doesn’t have to include Discard or Exhaust mechanics (though for smaller decks, it’s probably a good idea for removing Status effects). Those are deck styles, in my opinion, and separate from card draw.
For these videos I now look at the comments section first so I can know how much eggdaddy will hurt me today EDIT: today wasn’t actually that bad, but I also spent most of the night standing in the ER and I can still feel the aftermath of all the alcohol so maybe you just need to be in massive bodily pain to thoroughly enjoy this but what do I know
I'm hoping he actually learned something between this and the last episode After a few minutes of watching... Yeah he's maybe a bit better, but this shit is still painful
"I don't want to use our potions because I want to save them for the boss" NL. PLEASE lose that viewpoint. That's 'Too good to use syndrome' speaking. Potions are NOT meant for being saved for bosses. Potions are best used in what ever situation causes you to retain health. They're pseudo-heals in that regard. Such as using a fire potion to kill an enemy that was going to hit you for 19 damage. By killing said enemy with the fire potion, you prevent 19 damage from going through. Always, always, always use your potions when the situation for them arises. They are not exclusively for bosses. They should be used to retain as much of your health as possible.
Alphazone NL actually lost because he didn’t use the strength potion until after he had neutralised. He had plenty of defence for the angry goblin and the charge-up one survived with two health after poison.
This series is turning into something like ksp its fun to watch for some but he's so bad it's starting turn people off hopefully unlike ksp he can actually improve at this
Exactly... I feel like NL just fundamentally doesn't understand how to build a deck. His personality can only carry the game so far. Honestly, it's a pretty easy game. I won my first playthrough as The Silent.
Yeah, I didn't really like the Kerbal Space Program series but that might have just been the game itself, Slay the Spite seems more interesting and I'm more inclined to buy it because he's so bad and I want to do things "right". However, there isn't enough content in the game to justify it right now, in my opinion.
Hey NL love the series and the game I recently bought it as well and have come across some useful tips: when your weakened or the enemy is vulnerable prior to letting go of the card for targeting the numbers on the card itself (while hovered over an enemy) will display the CORRECT damage numbers this helps out greatly with strategy Another tip (I’m not an expert myself so this should is personal Exp)The silent although loves cycle really uses defensive cards in the early game passing up that 2 energy apply 2 weak gain 12 block was a risk for only getting the Draw 1 Dis 1 card Getting cycle is good after solidifying your core deck ^ I’m not the best the silent player so you are free to do as you wish this was just an opinion gained through playing
When playing as the silent poison damage is equal to:X(0.5X + 0.5)Where X is the poison value displayed If you only want the combat to continue for Y turns the poison damage dealt is:XY - (Y-1(0.5Y + 0.5))
Holy heck, Ryan. I just looked at the views. You're actually not kidding. This is consistently getting at least double what most of your videos get. (Well, actually no, the first episode did though. All the others seem to be at least on par, and often times better than non-VODs.)
NL, if you hover a card over a vulnerable enemy the damage on the card will change show exactly how much it'll do, taking the arithmetic out of the equation. Not saying you need it but a little thing that's nice to know :)
Despite not actually managing to win a single run with her yet, I love the Silent, because even though she has a much harder time starting off, she has so much potential for convoluted, overpowered synergies and that shit is my jam. For example that calculated gamble card combined with something (I think it was a relic?) that gives you armour every time you discard a card - suddenly you have the option to reroll your whole hand in exchange for a hefty chunk of free defense. Combine that with a decent set of poison cards and I feel like you'd be basically unstoppable.
@northernlion since you love free attacks, you should look into a shiv build for the rogue. "Infinite blades" "blade dance" "cloak and dagger" all grant shivs, plus tons of synergy with relics like the shuriken, kunai and ninja scroll aided by the powers "accuracy" and "thousand cuts". I had a run with so much shiv synergy that I was frequently maxing out my hand size due to free shivs that did 10+ each and just playing cards caused 2 damage. Playing entire hand was easy as well thanks to the flower relic and frequent "flying knee" and "doppelganger". 10 cards x2 damage to all + 6+ free shivs each doing 10+ damage each turn plus block from "cloak and dagger", poison cloud, shuriken and kunai stacking strength and dex.... SO much carnage without counting other card plays. Weakness comes in that it takes a lot of card play and some prep. Upgrading all the cards that give shiv increases speed dramatically tho.
the sleeping elite will only wake up on the 3rd turn or after getting hit so you can skip 2 turns if the card in your hard isn't that good or if you have power card you should play them and just skip the turn so that you can have a stronger start...
22:35 "Not payin' close enough attention to the status affects..." youdidn'tpaycloseenoughattentiontothestatusaffects!!! you-have-to-pay-close-enough-attention-to-the-status-affects!!!! paycloserattentiontothestatusaffects!!
I find the silent easier, manly because unlike ironclad, her cards don't have high cost that often, and her high draw and discard really takes effect , ironclad usually has around 3 to 5 paths, high damage with things like demon form and spot weakness, high defense with barricade or good metalice, exhaus deck which I find amazing but rare to finagle, and self harm decks which are hard to work with, the high draw ones, which use 0 cards often or abuse drop kick , and hibrids I guess, while the silent I feel has less deck types. Like, I remember the poison deck, draw discard decks, "set up decks", high defense...and I don't remember the others, I feel like the versatility of the silent is based on hibrids with the high draw discard, the silent has a really easy time getting this hand type, the ironclad usually has harder time getting high draw without ruining is energy or producing self harm, and the ones who break this are hard to come by ( at least for me), being honest, I have been able to complete the silent way more than the ironclad , unless the time eater comes around and ruins my day, that guy is painfull to fight with silent, only beat him a few times with some strong set up decks and with broken poison decks
Remember also not to count out how much less damage you take from a shortened fight. Taking some damage to end a fight a turn earlier will often be better in the long run. Also, I've found that stacking strength or poison has been my most successful runs.
Ok NL, here's a list of tips that I have for you. Follow the following tips and you should do very well. 1. Find your archetype. Unlike in BOI, good cards are not necessarily the best cards. Say you're playing as the ironclad, and you have the option between double tap, corruption, and perfected strike. No brainer, right? Pick the gold card? Well, if you're playing a strength-focused deck, maybe with Shuriken/Kunai, then yeah. Sure. But if you already have exhaust synergies, corruption is easily one of the most powerful cards in the game. And if you are playing an attack-only deck, perfected strike can be the best. Finding your archetype is similar to playing MTG. You don't want a tarmogoyf or a snapcaster mage in a burn deck, even though you already have 13 fetches. Its a different thing. 2. Don't pick cards. Like half the time. Unless you see what I call "seed cards" like bouncing flask, Evolve (which i don't think you've unlocked yet), feel no pain, etc. Some cards should nearly always be taken, no matter the deck. Unless you want the challenge, seeing red, adrenaline, escape plan, and other low cost, cantrip-ey cards are almost always amazing. You have to rank them besides your other options though. But if you see three common cards, or a few uncommons, or even bad golds, just skip that. 3. Don't be afraid to remove cards. Strike and Defend are great cards, but dagger throw and backflip are better. If the whale asks you if you want to remove a card, jump at it. At the end of the game, decks are almost always reliant on a few powers. Even in an attack-heavy silent deck, After Image, A Thousand Cuts (kinda weak but still), and other on-attack proccing cards are necessary. And while you can upgrade stuff like After Image to have innate, you don't want to be drawing defend when the boss in front of you is hitting you for 7*13 damage. You want to kill it, not spend 1 freaking energy on 5 freaking damage. Bad trade. Also, if you take a Clash or similar card early on and it doesn't work out, don't be afraid to admit your mistake and remove the shit out of it. 4. Upgrade your shit dude. Always, always, always upgrade. If you're going into a boss and you're at 30% HP, look at what you can upgrade before you rest. I had a recent run rocking high-shiv+After Image+Endless Agony, and I had 21 health before the boss. Instead of healing up to 53 or so, I upgrades After Image to give it innate. Remember, after image gives you one block each time you play a card. My blade dance+s became blocks, and I was able to weather the storm of the boss with ease, taking like 10 damage throughout the fight. 5. Healing matters a lot. But not that much. Let's face it, if you're not having a good run, 30 more health isn't going to do anything to change that. Digging, toking, or forging may. That being said, if you're about to fight down an elite, rest. 6. Relics are a girl's best friend. Seriously, a pen nib can turn a mediocre ironclad run into a damage-dealing amazing run with a few strength synergies and one-turn buffs. Snecko skull, Singing bowl, bottled flame (and lightning), tough bandages, shurkien, kunai, calipers, Thread and needle, Unceasing top, all the +1 energy ones (except for runic dome imo), Snecko fucking Eye, Necronomicon, and a whole lot more can single-handedly win you the run. A block-stacking run with calipers is just way better. Sneck skull makes all poison kill way sooner. Necronomicon is a broken relic that should not exist. Hello? Reaper? Yes, you know have max hp whenever you want. Oh gosh, thanks. Prioritize relics in shops if they're good. 7. Fight elites. Face it. If you can't beat elites, you can't beat the boss. Well, most of the time. Except for book of-oh shit I almost forgot about torii. That's my favorite relic. Damn that destroys book of knives. 8. The most important of all: Plan. Plan your run throughout the level. Plan your archetype, but be flexible. Give yourself room to grow and change. Plan each turn. Plan each turn after that. If you're playing an Endless agony run, use freaking Calculated Gamble+ as much as possible. But above all, have fun!
I just had an Ironclad run where I removed a card at the whale and then had 2 ? in a row that let me remove cards as well. By the end I had 11 cards in my deck and I beat the game! It was a very cerebral run, lots of 3-4 minute pauses for decisions within a battle.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but prepared kinda sucks. Let's say you draw 6 cards in your hand and one is prepared. You use it and you get to draw the card you would have originally drawn if prepared didn't exist and then you have to discard down to 5 cards. Essentially prepared just lowers the amount of cards you get per hand. I can only see this being good if you have curses that you would like to discard.
Prepared is decent even without discard synergy in the right deck. It lets you customize your hand and draw through the deck quicker, which is nice later in the game when you have synergies and often more cards to play with. It does kinda suck in the early game and in the wrong decks, though.
Card advantage is not that important in StS, since you're limited to the 3 energy most of the time. Prepared by itself allows you to look for the correct cards, which is way more important since you need specific cards at specific times in this game. Within the correct deck the card become utterly disgusting though since discarding is a mechanic heavily supported by the game when playing The Silent. It's a synergy card. Edit: Preparation doesn't suck, it's a good card.
hey NL I'm absolutely horrible with the Silent too but I have managed to defeat the final boss with her, it's so, so, so important to invest in a shitton of defense cards. you seriously need to have more defense cards than attack cards in your deck so you won't have to heal at every camp fire (at least imo!)
I'm bad with the Silent cuz I like brute forcing a win and that just doesn't work with her lol ended up beating the Timekeeper with caltrops + noxious fumes and just blocking my way to victory lol
I focus on defense and poison. By the end of my last run I was getting 100+ defense on a single turn. Poison them and then just defend until they are worn down.
I just beat the game with the silent... about 20 cards... around 7 shields. lemme check that real quick I was wrong...it's a 29 card deck.(but 10 of those get exhausted) with 7 defensive cards I had no problem with healing, mostly because I was almost never damaged and could heal using relics+cards when I got hit. It was honestly getting quite hilarious when they attacked for 40+ damage and I somehow got above that in shields and did quite some damage aswell a thousand cuts (I think I used this once or twice...always had more important stuff to play) adrenaline+ after Image+ Envenom+ Nightmare+ Backstab Blade Dance+ 2xCaltrops+ Eviscerate+ Infinite Blades+ Noxius fumes+ Well-Laid Plans+ Acrobatics Backflip+ 2xFlying Knee+ Prepared+ Quick Slash+ 4xDefend+ Neutralize 3xStrike+ Survivor+ Bandage Up+ card draws are op...
Cards that grant additional energy are probably some of the best stuff to take on the rogue character. Since she(?) draws more cards per turn, unless you're getting a lot of zero energy cards, you'd just be wasting potential.
Glad to see you being more selective on cards. Biggest takeaway from this episode is to think a little more ahead in combat. Granted you need to learn enemies a little better as you're still newish, but taking a little damage one turn to mitigate a lot of damage the next tends to be worth it. If the enemy is strengthening themselves or weakening you sometimes it's better to take the damage and rush the fight instead of letting the situation develop. Loving the series so far though NL.
i love how evenly split people seem to be when it comes to preferring the ironclad or the silent. i personally always do better with the silent, i find it so much easier to build and execute synergies with her. i love this game, dude.
The Ironclad is just easier to build really. And is much more forgiving to play. If you're having an easier time with the Silent it's because you're building good decks and making good decisions as you play. The Silent is super fun but you can screw yourself if you take just a few of the wrong cards.
the real question is...does the final unlock for either character have any good cards? cause i swear unlocks 3 and 4 for ironclad are basically useless in their cards
You need to value the Unknown rooms/floors a bit more that a regular combat because they can give you crucial upgrades to cards, health and just overall decent stuff. A regular combat just gets you an extra card and a bit of money but the Unknown can be of great value
You've definitely improved, but my biggest suggestion would really be avoiding more combat in favor of question mark rooms. The bonuses are most always worth it.
I believe there are only two real archetypes :) All out attack (attack before being attacked) and Fat Warrior (control the game with block and status effects)
I had this ridiculous run as the silent where i got bullet time and the item that made it so that bullet time was always in my starting hand (I also had the backpack thing) So basically at the start of every combat, I would kind of spam my entire hand out (kind of like miracle rogue in HS)
In that last fight, because all the enemies started with vulnerable, you could have killed the 14 health guy with two strikes (or one strike and the quick lash), which would have resulted in only one more damage than your two defend card play, but killed an enemy. Using the poison (which you used anyway), you could have killed both of the 9 attack guys in the first turn and only taken 4 damage, which is less damage than you took playing block cards. Gotta take advantage of the first turn vulnerable!
You need to put more value into flying knee, it is one of the most valuable The Silent cards due to it allowing you to combo turn after turn due to the much higher energy potential all throughout the game
Since you asked for some tips and I've been having good success with the Silent. Your card selection was better, except that you went poison, which is kinda hit-or-miss and you only want a few of the cards that actually do poison (envenom, fumes). The poison stab is only marginally better than a strike so for all intents and purposes you're just adding Strike+ to your deck without removing the regular strikes already there. I was pleasantly surprised to see you upgrade Neutralize too, thats almost always the right pick. One thing to keep in mind is that you don't need to upgrade as much as possible, its okay to rest, and sometimes correct to rest just to top off your HP. In any given deck only a few of the spells really need to be upgraded, the core ones that make it tick, it rarely makes a difference if you upgrade random attack/block cards. So try to look at the cards that make the engine of the deck or gain disproportionately from upgrades (pommel strike, choke, most powers, armaments, etc)
Also, you want to hit as many Elites and ? marks as possible, unless you're about to die. Think of it as your character getting battle-hardened, if you can't beat those then you will have trouble alter anyway. Thats how you start snowballing.
OK, NL, I love ya, but just listen for a bit. Poison and shivs are noob traps. When playing as the silent what's important is energy gain, card draw/discard and block. Whenever you see a card that fits those criteria, especially the energy, you take it. Always take outmaneuver above anything else. If a shop has an outmaneuver and an apotheosis, you take the outmaneuver. This is the key to victory. Unless you get snail in the final floor.
For The Silent, anything without relic synergy is a noob trap. Shivs are great with Strength, Shuriken/Kunai/O.Fan, DEAD STICK. Poison is great with Snecko Skull and energy relics, its probably the easiest to set up. Energy/Discard is fine, but I think is even more dependent on relics. Tough Bandages or Spinning Top are almost required for discard to be more useful than just not discarding stuff. Lots of energy with Predator/Dash is okay but there just aren't massive damage bombs like Heavy Sword and Perfected Strike like there are with Ironclad to make it better than poison. Block is great all around, but you can't just draft a bunch of crappy 4-6 point blocks and expect to win. You want a small number of upgraded blocks, or a lot of added Dex, otherwise you just pass turns while bosses who aren't The Awakened gain strength and kill you.
Since you have played hearthstone imagine the silent like a miracle rogue it has incredible draw and if you have a small deck you can usually just cycle through it to pull out busted cards, at least that's how I win with it
NL, I highly suggest you to avoid Elite rooms with the Silent unless you've grabbed nice cards or relics right off the bat. I always aim for the route that has the most campfires and least Elites on the road, that also features the most ? rooms, and I have a very good success ratio with the Silent. Also, the Silent is very capable of breaking the game with a few cards. She can be an excellent deck manipulator (discard/draw/hold cards), poison stacker, or buff stacker.
Seriously though.
This game is fucking great.
Ready for some more top tier misplays. LETS GO!
These episodes should be called "Slay the Spire - Northernlion Misplays - episode N "
Nl: "I played some off-camera and on stream."
Me: "Halleluja the misplays have come to an end! I can stop cutting myself when i watch this!"
Nl: "Oh right defend is a skill."
Me: "Mom get the knife, the big one!"
*picks up Skewer*
"Well, it's not worse than a strike"
yeah, you know, just like every other card in the game
It has its place in an energy overload deck.
Well you arent replacing a strike NL D▪:《
He starts to make a poison deck but then stops taking poison cards
disc0chimp his brain must still be in 2017 cause it seems he doesn't have it.
There were consistently better cards offered than Deadly Poison, and Bouncing Flask can brick in multiples. Him taking Prepared over Leg Sweep was bonkers though.
Flying knee is a GREAT card and he kept passing on it.
Flying Knee is really good for being like Outmanuveur but actually doing something on your turn. Extra energy is always welcome as the Silent as she's the queen of card draw. So yeah lol.
Exactly. Outmaneuver combos SO well when they're upgraded, especially in a smaller deck when (with the silent) you can easily play at least one every turn. It also allows those sweet poison synergies (that he also keeps passing on) to take effect more often.
NL is just really bad at this game. I've played at least four less hours and have several successful runs.
I would have traded all my gold for the +14 max HP.
That's more durability, that Silent needs. Its also more healing when resting at a bonfire, which Silent needs.
99 Gold for +14 Max HP is a steal.
Alphazone definitely think he got the worse possible option there, potions I could understand but really my dawg passed up that hp :’)
The Silent is way more defensive though. I usually heal at max twice in a whole run, when early elites go poorly but otherwise you can often use every last bonfire for upgrades - which are way more important than heals.
Because as long as a Silent is running you can block basically everything.
definitely dude, the mango gives +16 and costs like 300 in shops.
The thieves dont even steal money when you dont have money but that upgrade was pretty nice for early fights.
I ain't an expert, I've won 4 runs but the strategy I like for map pathing is going for the most bonfires possible and being super greedy with upgrades, particularly for the silent to help you mitigate damage.
Go to as many ? as you can and upgrade core skills. That's the optimal path.
What? No, remove as many core cards as possible, they're utter garbage for the Silent. Balance your ? & combat depending on what your current deck looks like and focus on one of the archetypes - don't mix & match.
Either go posion, shivs, discard or the spam-build and pick only cards relevant to the strategy you're going for. At the start i'd recommend poison, because it's the easiest one to build and has the chance to get ridiculously carried by relics (Specimen and Sneck Skull mainly).
I mean the posion build can one shot the end boss and two-shot the Head also posion ignores the shenanigans of many annoying enemies.
Pathing depends completely on the build you are playing. If you are weak (which you are early on), ? are best.
If you are a specific combo deck, campfires are best because you will have a small deck of upgraded cards
If you run a very cycle heavy deck, encounters are best as they give you more chances to pick up more copies of specific cards (offering/bloodletting/seeing red for ironclad, adrenaline etc for silent). You can even pick up strong powers along the way (*cough cough* 3 copies of noxious fumes = gg)
Hey NL, best strat for giant goblin elite is just all out attack, you are never going to outblock his damage because of the buff, so the only viable solution is to kill him before he can do too much. You will always lose HP this fight, it’s impossible not to.
Most of the time the same advice probably applies for Lagavulin too.
I recalculated his fight with the goblin and with the order the cards were dealt he could only have saved 3 HP (10th floor)
He squandered another 6 on 11th floor, 12 on the 12th and then died on 13th where he could've taken 0 dmg if played correctly.
You can 100-0 him in 2 turns if you have potions or if you can give him vulnerability and have lucked out on a Strike deck (pulling Perfected strike turn 2).
But as the Silent I have yet to take less than 20 damage form that Mini-Boss.
NL I think the biggest problem you have that's causing you to make miss-plays is that you're rushing. Try to spend a few more seconds looking at the information on screen and making sure you're making the correct play/s. It's not a race. :) Overall i think this is a great series for a very cool looking game.
He just needs to learn the game a bit more. Give him like 5 more episodes then he should be fine. Just doesn't quite know what to do with all of the information. Rushing is fine when you know the game. He's used to BoI and games he knows in and out.
@@austinrosene2357 "just give him 5 more episodes" hooooooo boy
@@calvinwithak7514 I mean, he did get better pretty quick. Just. Not a lot.
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what I do with the Silent is remove as many strikes as possible (and remove other unnecessary cards), fill my deck with card cycling cards, and stack block/poison cards to take no damage and essentially play the stall game with enemies.
It's pretty weak on the first floor, but by the second floor (if you make it) the rest of the game is easy.
you are mixing two deck archetypes. Focusing on one if very important. A pure poison deck with defensive cards is really good. A card cycling deck with like grande finale and those unplayable cards is also really good. As is a shiv deck. Mixing them up is when problems occur
Tyler C I disagree with you a bit. I don’t see deck cycling as an archetype, I see it as an inherent mechanic that _every_ deck needs. For big or small decks, it’s important to keep the cards moving and play as many as possible. It’s the same with energy: there’s no reason to *not* have energy gain, whether via relic or card. If a card like Outmaneuver or Adrenaline or Seeing Red comes up, I’m not going to pass it up because “it doesn’t fit my deck.” That’s dumb.
Now, I will say that deck cycling doesn’t have to include Discard or Exhaust mechanics (though for smaller decks, it’s probably a good idea for removing Status effects). Those are deck styles, in my opinion, and separate from card draw.
For these videos I now look at the comments section first so I can know how much eggdaddy will hurt me today
EDIT: today wasn’t actually that bad, but I also spent most of the night standing in the ER and I can still feel the aftermath of all the alcohol so maybe you just need to be in massive bodily pain to thoroughly enjoy this but what do I know
Fucking same
Not me I like a suprise whipping and that wouid ruin the suspense. Masochism FTW!
BODILY
You know how to drink too much
its always best to numb the body before father brings the pain
I'm hoping he actually learned something between this and the last episode
After a few minutes of watching... Yeah he's maybe a bit better, but this shit is still painful
always upgrade calculated gamble, it loses exaust so you can keep using it
"I don't want to use our potions because I want to save them for the boss"
NL. PLEASE lose that viewpoint. That's 'Too good to use syndrome' speaking. Potions are NOT meant for being saved for bosses.
Potions are best used in what ever situation causes you to retain health. They're pseudo-heals in that regard. Such as using a fire potion to kill an enemy that was going to hit you for 19 damage. By killing said enemy with the fire potion, you prevent 19 damage from going through.
Always, always, always use your potions when the situation for them arises. They are not exclusively for bosses. They should be used to retain as much of your health as possible.
Alphazone NL actually lost because he didn’t use the strength potion until after he had neutralised. He had plenty of defence for the angry goblin and the charge-up one survived with two health after poison.
Alphazone it's like watching someone play skyrim
The wave of emotions when he passed up glass knife for prepared.
"I shouldn't be that hasty about it because we might miscalculate" *YA THINK???*
This is by far my favorite series!!!
This series is turning into something like ksp its fun to watch for some but he's so bad it's starting turn people off hopefully unlike ksp he can actually improve at this
The egg improve? ....But how does one buff a god?
Exactly... I feel like NL just fundamentally doesn't understand how to build a deck. His personality can only carry the game so far.
Honestly, it's a pretty easy game. I won my first playthrough as The Silent.
Yeah, I didn't really like the Kerbal Space Program series but that might have just been the game itself, Slay the Spite seems more interesting and I'm more inclined to buy it because he's so bad and I want to do things "right". However, there isn't enough content in the game to justify it right now, in my opinion.
You mean like every series he does? He's just bad at games, lol. We only really watch for the color commentary.
Like... Egg+?
Or Egg++?! DAE PROGR- *gets shot*
I watch this to relax but this is hella stress
Everytime you get a card that is a direct upgrade on a strike or defend you should probably consider getting rid of one if your deck is too big.
had first "the silent"win earlier, was so overjoyed, especially as my deck ended up centred on discard which i never even thought of
Hey NL love the series and the game I recently bought it as well and have come across some useful tips: when your weakened or the enemy is vulnerable prior to letting go of the card for targeting the numbers on the card itself (while hovered over an enemy) will display the CORRECT damage numbers this helps out greatly with strategy
Another tip (I’m not an expert myself so this should is personal Exp)The silent although loves cycle really uses defensive cards in the early game passing up that 2 energy apply 2 weak gain 12 block was a risk for only getting the Draw 1 Dis 1 card Getting cycle is good after solidifying your core deck ^ I’m not the best the silent player so you are free to do as you wish this was just an opinion gained through playing
I want this series to become the new isaac. I want 2 videos every day for 6 years!
When playing as the silent poison damage is equal to:X(0.5X + 0.5)Where X is the poison value displayed
If you only want the combat to continue for Y turns the poison damage dealt is:XY - (Y-1(0.5Y + 0.5))
As soon as i saw the gremlin wizard his demise was clear lol. Little bastards can take ya by surprise once.
the best part is he coulda survived the wizard if he used the strength potion before using Neutralize
Holy heck, Ryan.
I just looked at the views. You're actually not kidding.
This is consistently getting at least double what most of your videos get.
(Well, actually no, the first episode did though. All the others seem to be at least on par, and often times better than non-VODs.)
“Centennial puzzle”
I see that Slay the Spire devs believe in the heart of the cards.
Loving the series
NL, if you hover a card over a vulnerable enemy the damage on the card will change show exactly how much it'll do, taking the arithmetic out of the equation. Not saying you need it but a little thing that's nice to know :)
Despite not actually managing to win a single run with her yet, I love the Silent, because even though she has a much harder time starting off, she has so much potential for convoluted, overpowered synergies and that shit is my jam. For example that calculated gamble card combined with something (I think it was a relic?) that gives you armour every time you discard a card - suddenly you have the option to reroll your whole hand in exchange for a hefty chunk of free defense. Combine that with a decent set of poison cards and I feel like you'd be basically unstoppable.
am I like the only one who actually really enjoys this series or what lmao
Yay! Again, happy to see StS but sad to know there's only one episode today
"I'm stupid. Well, ok let's not be so negative - it was a stupid play." :D I love this guy so much
@northernlion since you love free attacks, you should look into a shiv build for the rogue. "Infinite blades" "blade dance" "cloak and dagger" all grant shivs, plus tons of synergy with relics like the shuriken, kunai and ninja scroll aided by the powers "accuracy" and "thousand cuts". I had a run with so much shiv synergy that I was frequently maxing out my hand size due to free shivs that did 10+ each and just playing cards caused 2 damage. Playing entire hand was easy as well thanks to the flower relic and frequent "flying knee" and "doppelganger". 10 cards x2 damage to all + 6+ free shivs each doing 10+ damage each turn plus block from "cloak and dagger", poison cloud, shuriken and kunai stacking strength and dex.... SO much carnage without counting other card plays. Weakness comes in that it takes a lot of card play and some prep. Upgrading all the cards that give shiv increases speed dramatically tho.
the sleeping elite will only wake up on the 3rd turn or after getting hit so you can skip 2 turns if the card in your hard isn't that good or if you have power card you should play them and just skip the turn so that you can have a stronger start...
Holy shit, When he was talking about how he plays like a turtle with the silent, I was like HOLY SHIT! He's learnin'.
I am here for painful plays and bad math.
22:35 "Not payin' close enough attention to the status affects..." youdidn'tpaycloseenoughattentiontothestatusaffects!!! you-have-to-pay-close-enough-attention-to-the-status-affects!!!! paycloserattentiontothestatusaffects!!
Love you and this series, Egg-daddy. Hopefully the comments aren't discouraging you, even though you do have a lot of improvement to make.
I love you Egg Daddy
I know what your thinking, there's no chance...Here it comes...You might be right.
Favourite part of the entire episode
I find the silent easier, manly because unlike ironclad, her cards don't have high cost that often, and her high draw and discard really takes effect , ironclad usually has around 3 to 5 paths, high damage with things like demon form and spot weakness, high defense with barricade or good metalice, exhaus deck which I find amazing but rare to finagle, and self harm decks which are hard to work with, the high draw ones, which use 0 cards often or abuse drop kick , and hibrids I guess, while the silent I feel has less deck types. Like, I remember the poison deck, draw discard decks, "set up decks", high defense...and I don't remember the others, I feel like the versatility of the silent is based on hibrids with the high draw discard, the silent has a really easy time getting this hand type, the ironclad usually has harder time getting high draw without ruining is energy or producing self harm, and the ones who break this are hard to come by ( at least for me), being honest, I have been able to complete the silent way more than the ironclad , unless the time eater comes around and ruins my day, that guy is painfull to fight with silent, only beat him a few times with some strong set up decks and with broken poison decks
Remember also not to count out how much less damage you take from a shortened fight. Taking some damage to end a fight a turn earlier will often be better in the long run. Also, I've found that stacking strength or poison has been my most successful runs.
Ok NL, here's a list of tips that I have for you. Follow the following tips and you should do very well.
1. Find your archetype. Unlike in BOI, good cards are not necessarily the best cards. Say you're playing as the ironclad, and you have the option between double tap, corruption, and perfected strike. No brainer, right? Pick the gold card? Well, if you're playing a strength-focused deck, maybe with Shuriken/Kunai, then yeah. Sure. But if you already have exhaust synergies, corruption is easily one of the most powerful cards in the game. And if you are playing an attack-only deck, perfected strike can be the best. Finding your archetype is similar to playing MTG. You don't want a tarmogoyf or a snapcaster mage in a burn deck, even though you already have 13 fetches. Its a different thing.
2. Don't pick cards. Like half the time. Unless you see what I call "seed cards" like bouncing flask, Evolve (which i don't think you've unlocked yet), feel no pain, etc. Some cards should nearly always be taken, no matter the deck. Unless you want the challenge, seeing red, adrenaline, escape plan, and other low cost, cantrip-ey cards are almost always amazing. You have to rank them besides your other options though. But if you see three common cards, or a few uncommons, or even bad golds, just skip that.
3. Don't be afraid to remove cards. Strike and Defend are great cards, but dagger throw and backflip are better. If the whale asks you if you want to remove a card, jump at it. At the end of the game, decks are almost always reliant on a few powers. Even in an attack-heavy silent deck, After Image, A Thousand Cuts (kinda weak but still), and other on-attack proccing cards are necessary. And while you can upgrade stuff like After Image to have innate, you don't want to be drawing defend when the boss in front of you is hitting you for 7*13 damage. You want to kill it, not spend 1 freaking energy on 5 freaking damage. Bad trade. Also, if you take a Clash or similar card early on and it doesn't work out, don't be afraid to admit your mistake and remove the shit out of it.
4. Upgrade your shit dude. Always, always, always upgrade. If you're going into a boss and you're at 30% HP, look at what you can upgrade before you rest. I had a recent run rocking high-shiv+After Image+Endless Agony, and I had 21 health before the boss. Instead of healing up to 53 or so, I upgrades After Image to give it innate. Remember, after image gives you one block each time you play a card. My blade dance+s became blocks, and I was able to weather the storm of the boss with ease, taking like 10 damage throughout the fight.
5. Healing matters a lot. But not that much. Let's face it, if you're not having a good run, 30 more health isn't going to do anything to change that. Digging, toking, or forging may. That being said, if you're about to fight down an elite, rest.
6. Relics are a girl's best friend. Seriously, a pen nib can turn a mediocre ironclad run into a damage-dealing amazing run with a few strength synergies and one-turn buffs. Snecko skull, Singing bowl, bottled flame (and lightning), tough bandages, shurkien, kunai, calipers, Thread and needle, Unceasing top, all the +1 energy ones (except for runic dome imo), Snecko fucking Eye, Necronomicon, and a whole lot more can single-handedly win you the run. A block-stacking run with calipers is just way better. Sneck skull makes all poison kill way sooner. Necronomicon is a broken relic that should not exist. Hello? Reaper? Yes, you know have max hp whenever you want. Oh gosh, thanks. Prioritize relics in shops if they're good.
7. Fight elites. Face it. If you can't beat elites, you can't beat the boss. Well, most of the time. Except for book of-oh shit I almost forgot about torii. That's my favorite relic. Damn that destroys book of knives.
8. The most important of all: Plan. Plan your run throughout the level. Plan your archetype, but be flexible. Give yourself room to grow and change. Plan each turn. Plan each turn after that. If you're playing an Endless agony run, use freaking Calculated Gamble+ as much as possible.
But above all, have fun!
I just had an Ironclad run where I removed a card at the whale and then had 2 ? in a row that let me remove cards as well. By the end I had 11 cards in my deck and I beat the game! It was a very cerebral run, lots of 3-4 minute pauses for decisions within a battle.
"I am concerned about this deck"
NL should be more concerned with himself.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but prepared kinda sucks. Let's say you draw 6 cards in your hand and one is prepared. You use it and you get to draw the card you would have originally drawn if prepared didn't exist and then you have to discard down to 5 cards. Essentially prepared just lowers the amount of cards you get per hand. I can only see this being good if you have curses that you would like to discard.
it depends on your setup. It was infinitely worse than picking up glass knife. But prepared is only good when you got discard synergy.
Prepared+ is nice if you have a heavy Discard/Curse focused deck but yeah, not a good card in any other circumstances.
Prepared is decent even without discard synergy in the right deck. It lets you customize your hand and draw through the deck quicker, which is nice later in the game when you have synergies and often more cards to play with. It does kinda suck in the early game and in the wrong decks, though.
Prepared is good for discard and Skill synergy. Its a 0 mana skill card.
Card advantage is not that important in StS, since you're limited to the 3 energy most of the time. Prepared by itself allows you to look for the correct cards, which is way more important since you need specific cards at specific times in this game.
Within the correct deck the card become utterly disgusting though since discarding is a mechanic heavily supported by the game when playing The Silent. It's a synergy card.
Edit: Preparation doesn't suck, it's a good card.
hey NL I'm absolutely horrible with the Silent too but I have managed to defeat the final boss with her, it's so, so, so important to invest in a shitton of defense cards. you seriously need to have more defense cards than attack cards in your deck so you won't have to heal at every camp fire (at least imo!)
Elma V i’m fine with both characters, beat the final boss with some poison synergy, gave the boss ~100 poison
I'm bad with the Silent cuz I like brute forcing a win and that just doesn't work with her lol ended up beating the Timekeeper with caltrops + noxious fumes and just blocking my way to victory lol
I focus on defense and poison. By the end of my last run I was getting 100+ defense on a single turn. Poison them and then just defend until they are worn down.
I know it's the sensible thing to do but then a card is like "hey I do 16 damage in one turn" and I'm like OOOHHHHH
I just beat the game with the silent... about 20 cards... around 7 shields.
lemme check that real quick
I was wrong...it's a 29 card deck.(but 10 of those get exhausted)
with 7 defensive cards
I had no problem with healing, mostly because I was almost never damaged and could heal using relics+cards when I got hit.
It was honestly getting quite hilarious when they attacked for 40+ damage and I somehow got above that in shields and did quite some damage aswell
a thousand cuts (I think I used this once or twice...always had more important stuff to play)
adrenaline+
after Image+
Envenom+
Nightmare+
Backstab
Blade Dance+
2xCaltrops+
Eviscerate+
Infinite Blades+
Noxius fumes+
Well-Laid Plans+
Acrobatics
Backflip+
2xFlying Knee+
Prepared+
Quick Slash+
4xDefend+
Neutralize
3xStrike+
Survivor+
Bandage Up+
card draws are op...
Cards that grant additional energy are probably some of the best stuff to take on the rogue character.
Since she(?) draws more cards per turn, unless you're getting a lot of zero energy cards, you'd just be wasting potential.
Love how RUclips classifies this as Darkest Dungeon....
Glad to see you being more selective on cards. Biggest takeaway from this episode is to think a little more ahead in combat. Granted you need to learn enemies a little better as you're still newish, but taking a little damage one turn to mitigate a lot of damage the next tends to be worth it. If the enemy is strengthening themselves or weakening you sometimes it's better to take the damage and rush the fight instead of letting the situation develop. Loving the series so far though NL.
So you know nl poison ignores block so if you have a high block enemy poison becomes very good
Go for all the question marks with the silent. And remember that a dead enemy wont hurt you. You missed lethal a few times.
strength potion before neutralize on the last turn would have staved of death for a little longer
i love how evenly split people seem to be when it comes to preferring the ironclad or the silent. i personally always do better with the silent, i find it so much easier to build and execute synergies with her. i love this game, dude.
The Ironclad is just easier to build really. And is much more forgiving to play. If you're having an easier time with the Silent it's because you're building good decks and making good decisions as you play. The Silent is super fun but you can screw yourself if you take just a few of the wrong cards.
the real question is...does the final unlock for either character have any good cards? cause i swear unlocks 3 and 4 for ironclad are basically useless in their cards
You need to value the Unknown rooms/floors a bit more that a regular combat because they can give you crucial upgrades to cards, health and just overall decent stuff. A regular combat just gets you an extra card and a bit of money but the Unknown can be of great value
You've definitely improved, but my biggest suggestion would really be avoiding more combat in favor of question mark rooms. The bonuses are most always worth it.
Are we masochists for continuing to come back when we know what the eggs gonna do?
"Fresh off the loss as ironclad" what?
Oh he just finished streaming. This is a new age of Lion
NL: I think we played really badly.
ME *watching*: Excuse me, but "we"? No sir. Not "we".
I've played a bit too.
Is it me or is it actually much harder to perform decently as the Silent than as the Ironclad?
i love this game
new years resolution for NL: Never say 'my dude' again.
Pro tip, if you are playing draw, stock up on 0 cost cards that way you can spend your energy drawing and do everything else for free.
the strat for the red ogre is to just never use any skills and go full ham. Just have to accept you're going to lose half your hp.
I believe there are only two real archetypes :)
All out attack (attack before being attacked) and Fat Warrior (control the game with block and status effects)
at the end of a boss fight your HP dosn't matter at all
because u will get fully healed afterwards
Please make more episodes per day!
Watch NL for the misplays, Wanderbot for the outplays
5:55 nice play
I had this ridiculous run as the silent where i got bullet time and the item that made it so that bullet time was always in my starting hand (I also had the backpack thing)
So basically at the start of every combat, I would kind of spam my entire hand out (kind of like miracle rogue in HS)
In that last fight, because all the enemies started with vulnerable, you could have killed the 14 health guy with two strikes (or one strike and the quick lash), which would have resulted in only one more damage than your two defend card play, but killed an enemy. Using the poison (which you used anyway), you could have killed both of the 9 attack guys in the first turn and only taken 4 damage, which is less damage than you took playing block cards. Gotta take advantage of the first turn vulnerable!
In cases you don’t know poison bypasses block
Keep making these
"I really like poison synergy"
Doesn't take poison multiple times
did he ever check his first relic that he got from the ? space
16:40 wait did they straight up put a yugioh reference in this game
What on earth do you mean bouncing flask is scaring when it shows up
says that the only whey that he wins with the silent is with poison dosn't take any poison cards
You need to put more value into flying knee, it is one of the most valuable The Silent cards due to it allowing you to combo turn after turn due to the much higher energy potential all throughout the game
i would love to see them add a character where the energy is instead their gold, and you get a base gold gain every fight
game of the year 2018
If nl had popped the strength potion before playing the 0 cost damage card, he could have won the fight, thats why order is important
Since you asked for some tips and I've been having good success with the Silent.
Your card selection was better, except that you went poison, which is kinda hit-or-miss and you only want a few of the cards that actually do poison (envenom, fumes). The poison stab is only marginally better than a strike so for all intents and purposes you're just adding Strike+ to your deck without removing the regular strikes already there.
I was pleasantly surprised to see you upgrade Neutralize too, thats almost always the right pick.
One thing to keep in mind is that you don't need to upgrade as much as possible, its okay to rest, and sometimes correct to rest just to top off your HP. In any given deck only a few of the spells really need to be upgraded, the core ones that make it tick, it rarely makes a difference if you upgrade random attack/block cards. So try to look at the cards that make the engine of the deck or gain disproportionately from upgrades (pommel strike, choke, most powers, armaments, etc)
Also, you want to hit as many Elites and ? marks as possible, unless you're about to die. Think of it as your character getting battle-hardened, if you can't beat those then you will have trouble alter anyway. Thats how you start snowballing.
OK, NL, I love ya, but just listen for a bit. Poison and shivs are noob traps. When playing as the silent what's important is energy gain, card draw/discard and block. Whenever you see a card that fits those criteria, especially the energy, you take it. Always take outmaneuver above anything else. If a shop has an outmaneuver and an apotheosis, you take the outmaneuver. This is the key to victory. Unless you get snail in the final floor.
Poison is not a noob trap. It's probably the easiest deck to win the game as the Silent.
For The Silent, anything without relic synergy is a noob trap. Shivs are great with Strength, Shuriken/Kunai/O.Fan, DEAD STICK. Poison is great with Snecko Skull and energy relics, its probably the easiest to set up. Energy/Discard is fine, but I think is even more dependent on relics. Tough Bandages or Spinning Top are almost required for discard to be more useful than just not discarding stuff. Lots of energy with Predator/Dash is okay but there just aren't massive damage bombs like Heavy Sword and Perfected Strike like there are with Ironclad to make it better than poison.
Block is great all around, but you can't just draft a bunch of crappy 4-6 point blocks and expect to win. You want a small number of upgraded blocks, or a lot of added Dex, otherwise you just pass turns while bosses who aren't The Awakened gain strength and kill you.
Northernlion you are the best
Since you have played hearthstone imagine the silent like a miracle rogue it has incredible draw and if you have a small deck you can usually just cycle through it to pull out busted cards, at least that's how I win with it
Northerlion from my experince you are beter of using a shiv focuste run then a posion run
My boy still takes every card... He knows that it ain't good
Egg never changes
NL, I highly suggest you to avoid Elite rooms with the Silent unless you've grabbed nice cards or relics right off the bat. I always aim for the route that has the most campfires and least Elites on the road, that also features the most ? rooms, and I have a very good success ratio with the Silent.
Also, the Silent is very capable of breaking the game with a few cards. She can be an excellent deck manipulator (discard/draw/hold cards), poison stacker, or buff stacker.
I "like" eggs logic that because cards you take are better than Strike and Defend you should take cards. But he hates to get rid of Strike and Defend.
tfw he skips Glass Knife for Prepared
If he had used his strength potion before using neutralize he could have lived.
NL, when are u going to play They are billions??
I come here to watch the ridiculous mistakes NL makes. And his inability to math is absolutely priceless.
Another great episode.
How have you watched the entire episode in less than 3 minutes?! You god!
I know quality when I see it. :)
NL you just gotta know what synergy you want before just picking up cards
Better plays, less luck, too bad. Keep it up.