The only "sons" Angron respected were the sons who hated him, and now that they're dead, he has nothing to live for, but he can't die either. An abomination through and through like the nails that twisted him into the embodiment of mindless wrath he is now. The only possible redemption lies in Kharn, the last of his war orphans with some sense but entrapped in yet another's game and the built in kill counter just sells the idea that much more. He's as alone as you can get
Angron even smile and proud for the first time seeing how one of his sons struck a wound in on his neck, but the smile fades soon as his son ask his reason to betray the emperor. To me we almost saw the old angron, the World eaters really wish would come, gallant and selfless like his son and maybe to see his healing ability come out again.
@aditghifari5039 proud of his son for standing up to his tyranny, then the bitter realization that he's still a dog leashed to a different master. We would've gotten the old Angron back, but thanks to the Emperor's unforgivable sin, Angron will forever be chained to his anger and regret of not being there for his people.
I related more to Angron than his legion, as they didn't get the point he was trying to make. "HATE ME" as much as he hated his oppressors and Rebel against him. But his kids didn't, and he realised they never would, which is why he left, but Kharn still didn't get the point and came and got him and brought him right back into it....
On the part of the World Eaters they had a genetic need for their primarch, marines have a genetic link to their primarch, a bond. The World Eaters saw what every single other legion had and they wanted it, needed it, but they felt more respect for primarchs of other legions than their own. The World Eaters would have been better off if Angron had died. It's probably the best illustration of the complicated cycle of abuse I've seen in fiction.
Also, I think Angron wanted them to fail at conquring worlds for the empire. Thats why he gave them impossible tasks and constantly made their job harder. Which makes sense because the imperium is everything Angron fought against on his home world.
Yes, Big E unequivocally failed with Angron when it would have been so easy to just help beat the high riders. But, the space elves fucked up by weakening Angron to the point he could be captured. And Erda, the worst retcon in existence, sent him there in the first place.
Honestly to me Erda isn't even the worst retcon in the horus heresy series let alone worst in existence, and her introduction seemed mostly inconsequential thus inoffensive but I can't say you're wrong for thinking so. I 100% agree about the highriders and think it was really, inexplicably dumb of the emperor to just screw angron over so badly from their very first meeting. Seems like really bad writing to me.
Nuceria is part of ultramar. Ultramar is the crown jewel of the imperium. Thats y big e didnt attack the high riders. I dont understand why this concept goes over the heads of the entire fanbase 🤔
@stephennorako1807 it's near Ultramar but afaik it's never stated to be part of Ultramar, considering at the time that Angron was being raised Guilleman was already ruling Ultramar and absolutely would have heard about Angron considering he was the most famous man on Nuceria and the Nucerians engaged in practices that were illegal in Ultramar, I don't think Nuceria was part of Ultramar. Additionally it's made very clear in Betrayer that although they were close to Ultramar Nuceria was not part of the 500 worlds and remained politically isolated from Ultramar. So the Emperor absolutely could have killed the High Riders, or just said here I'm your Emperor now, Angron is my son and I'm recruiting his warriors, deal with it.
Honestly, to me at least, it comes off as a lot of shitty writing. And I say that because of how Bib E treated other primarchs and even had good relationships with some of them, and just up and chose to be such a colossal asshole to Angron pretty much for no reason. And I don't want to debate the whole sons vs tools topic, but I will say, that even if Big E saw them as nothing but tools, they were some pretty damn important tools and he should've been volcanically pissed off that some uppity slavers damaged one of his most precious tools so badly. And such things just comes off to me as the stupidest kind of writing.
1. Angron wasn't crazy. He is enraged! That is a big difference, he is understanding what he is doing. 2. He was not forcing Butcher's Nails, that was Kharn' idea. 3. War Hounds were conquerors, according to Legion Master Gheer.
I think one of the other draws to the world eaters, is that while they are typical 40k turn it up to 11 the butters nails themselves are a fairly good metaphor for certain types of depression. You get angry because feeling things hurts, the anger doesn't actually feel good but it at least feels loud and numb enough to drown everything else your feeling out.
Haven't watched fully yet but need to say, this and you Salamander and Worldeater shorts give me life. Where as the Salamanders are my top Loyalist Legion, Worldeaters are my top Traitor Legion. If things had gone right then I feel like Vulkan and Angron would have been the closest of brothers among the Primarcha
The funny part about the 12th and the 9th is that one saw violence as a necessity but they want to keep their honor with them as they viciously destroy the enemies (and they were critical about the vicious part because they don't like the Imperial Army not catching up), all while the 9th saw that ONLY victory matter so you guess how they do their work. They abandon all sense of honor, they go leeroy jenkins to nuke the enemy as fast as possible and survive by whatever means possible (including passing your brain to the new recruit when you die, so you live as part of them) to ensure victory
I can’t help but imagine that while his sons did all they can to please their father, to get him to love them, every time he looked at them, he just saw a cheap imitation of what could have been, a sort of reminder of the brothers and sisters he once had and the honorable death he would never receive, the rest he would never partake of.
Damn man, this sounds more like sharing real life trauma and pain just being told through the World Eaters story. Anyone that was has gone through the real life equivalent, know your worthy and keep going.
"Cry Havok" is the short story that really made me feel for the WEs. Without spoiling too much, Angron is a about to kill one of his loyalist sons, and right as hes about to the son essentially tells Angron hes an ass hole and hes always hated him more than anything. To which Angron said something like "for the first time, one of you has made me feel pride" or something its been a while. Their stories and lore really are just a metaphor for abusive parent/child relationships and the cycle of abuse in general. Theyd mutilate themselves just donthey could understand their father's pain and become closer to him. WEs could've been something truly amazing if their Primarch wasn't as broken as he was.
I read a story about the world eaters being what they are supposed to be, guardians of humanity and paladins. Angron didn't had the butcher nails in him so he was what he was to be, a caring father to his sons, a protector and healer to others.
Listening to Brad talk about the warhounds, they were the closest thing to the TW's in the Legiones Astartes, loyal to a fault, rough around the edges, and shot through with martial pride.
Like he nameless hero of Planescape Torment, Angron still has a chance for atonement. A Journey to the self at which end waits not freedom nor salvation, but wisdom and judgment. And eternal damnation.
And with all of the greatest of the World Eaters, the one that has felled the furthest is Kharn for he has betrayed even his own brothers and accepted slaughter as a whole because the anchor that had him sane is gone, AND WE KNOW WHY
I've mentioned before I think Angron would be the most interesting clone Primarch. This just triples down on that. I recall somewhere else, maybe here, someone was speculating that the King in Yellow might be trying to bring back the 30k Emperor, and I found myself thinking Guiliman would likely ally with the 40k Emperor, rather than trying to wind back the clock, and wondering how the Star Child would fit. I could see a clone whole Angron siding with the Star Child against everyone else, and the galaxy burning.
There's a lot that people get wrong about the entire situation. For one, "Empathy" doesn't mean Salamander-like Bro's - it CAN, but that's not necessarily how the War Hounds, with a whole and undamaged Angron would have been. It could very well have been a more hive-like mentality, where you never fought a single War Hound - there was ALWAYS another War Hound. And where they wouldn't need to communicate with one another in battle - one would have his bolter knocked out of his hand and his brother would immediately have a shield ready to go in front of him to cover him while he dove to get it, or where they would be so in synch with one another that it was terrifyingly robotic - like Necrons, in some ways. They were already known for inflicting terror by simply walking slowly at their enemies, never speeding up, never slowing down, and unstoppable avalanche of doom - have that, and make it so that it seems that they literally see with each others eyes - a sniper takes a shot at one Astartes, while his back is to the sniper, but a shield is suddenly in his way as a War Hound who was facing away from the Sniper suddenly lifts his shield in the nick of time, and neither even look back at the sniper. A War Hound suddenly throws his axe towards one of his brothers, for no apparent reason - then the brother has his own axe knocked from his hand but is able to catch the thrown axe and not miss a downswing. There are a LOT of possibilities that could go with "Empathy" that don't involve being the "Everybody needs a hug!" style bro's. Another thing that could have happened with Empathy? Sympathy - up to and including suicidal sympathy. Sympathy with the Mutant. Sympathy with the Civilization who just wanted to be left alone. Potentially even sympathy with the Xeno. A reluctance to continue to serve the Emperor. A weakness that could be exploited by Chaos, "I'm not evil, I'm a misunderstood Xeno from another plane of reality!". Empathy is a double-edged sword. (and what people get wrong about Angron... man. Players have a critical blind spot when it comes to ANYTHING in our settings - we CONSTANTLY forget that we know more about the setting than the Characters do, and judge characters poorly because they do things we know they shouldn't - but there's no reason for the Character to act any differently. Angron is perhaps the most glaring example in Warhammer 30k for this)
The world eaters legion master before angron was lhorke, he would later be among the first dreadnoughts of 12th legion and be stationed and put together sleep aboard the conqueror. In the book betrayer, He would be brought out of sleep by lotara and was asked by her to defend the ship from ultramarines. He would meet his demise on nuceria when he and the legions librarians would try to stop lorgar from transforming angron into a demon primarch.
The Space Wolves are sorta like the War Hounds than the World Eaters now, if you need a comparison. Also FINALLY someone I like covers this. No bias from me, obviously ;)
@The_Calcium_King it's less about the religious side but more because of their overall fighting style and hardcore warrior ethos Did you know the black templars habit of chaining their weapons was learned by Sigismund from the time he spent with the world eaters
@alexbrowne9566 I did, in fact. Which is why I said I saw what you meant. It's honestly pretty cool to think about the fact such domino effects as a history nerd like myself. Khârn and Sigismund were basically brothers.
@The_Calcium_King yeah, such little details really do it for my history nerdship too Kharn and sigi were the bros of the Astartes and learned a lot from each other, truly a pleasure to read whenever either of those guys surface in the literature
As a WE fan myself, THIS is why the 12th is so compelling. In the Grimdarkness the story of the 12th is one of the most grim and tragic. As Kharn once told Tal "No... It didn't."
I'm a loyalist but I cannot bring myself to actually hate all of the traitors as the World Eaters, Night Lords, Thousand Sons and Death Guard have understandable reasons as to why they fell and they are bathed in tragedy. The Sons of Horus, not so much and I feel bad for Fulgrim as he was tainted without knowing any defence against what was happening to him (before Mirror Cracked fucked that story up!) but I don't feel sorry for his sons. As for the Alpha Legion, I just don't feel much sympathy as their reason doesn't justify what has happened and I feel bad for the Iron Warriors, but not Perturabo.
I wish this is how the world eaters were explained to me, and not just the "RAA RAA KILL BLOOD SKULLS AAAAAAAAAAAA" you always end up with. I know 40k is an absurd grimdark future meant to sell models that are constantly fighting each other. But I also like that the setting is endlessly tragic, with each faction having a deep sadness and misunderstanding to them. I like that far more then I enjoy that part of the hobby far more.
...are you okay? That last bit there for the video...that seemed a lot more personal...are you okay? That hit a bit harder than even usual... But yeah, Salamanders? Need to give LOTS of hugs to the Warhounds.
I'm good brother, whenever I do these video's my goal is not only to give justice to the faction, but those who love them, so I try to get into their headspace.
I honestly don't blame Angron for what he did, as if the Emperor did the same to some of the other primarchs, to the same degree, I highly doubt they would've stayed loyal either. But I honestly hate how the Emperor treated Angron because of how it reeks of shitty writing. And I'm not just trying to make excuses by saying that, as it just reeks of some idiot who hates the Emperor or Imperium as a whole was chosen to write how Big E treated Angron and they were just allowed to make the Emperor act like a colossal asshole for no reason. Yeah, I get that Big E isn't a saint by any means, but I also know that he had fairly good relationships with other primarchs and it just comes off as some idiot writer having him be an asshole to Angron just because they don't like him or the Imperium. And even if he did just look at the primarchs as tools, they were *VERY* important tools and he should've been volcanically pissed that some uppity slavers would dare to damage one of his most important tools so badly. He should've wiped out their armies for that if nothing else.
The existence of Angron + the skills they have given Fabius Bile causes a lot of plot hole type of things to appear within the lore. Firstly, it was stated in one of the books that Big E could not remove the nails from Angron because too much damage was done...but he decided to keep Angron & give him a Legion of his own. Fabius Bile is a normal human being who did survive the whole turning into an Astartes bit but he has no special powers...yet he was able to invent the procedures & things to actually clone what seems to be, fully grown versions of each Primarch. So, they are going to tell me that the smartest human in the whole lore, who actively learned genetical modifications & such...to the point he grew twenty different custom made beings in a lab could not do what Fabius has accomplished & just write off the original Angron he created due to the nails...& just clone a replacement? It makes no sense... They should've never added the whole "Primarch Cloning" thing into the story for many reasons.
You can't just clone a primarch, the primarchs are in part a product of the warp, the Emperor needed the chaos gods to create them and Fabius Bile used chaos f*ckery to clone them, the physicality isn't the problem it's the soul that can't be easily created. The Emperor would have needed another deal with the chaos gods to make another Angron and he had learned his lesson the first time.
Yo brad you good bro? Some of that you are not your father bit felt like projection and this is coming from someone who once feared being just like his dad but now hopes to be half the man his father was
I'm good brother, when ever I do one of these vids, I really try and get into the mind of the faction, my goal is to understand why people love them, and show them that I get it, so that others will as well.
I weep for them, and I'm not saying this because I'm a fan or something akin to a joke. I weep for them, because I know what they feel like: the rage, pain, hatred not your own, and corrupted Empathy. It wasn't just my father who hurt me, it was my mother; she was close to an Angron that any person would get. She suffered from MS(multiple sclerosis)- Her Butchers nails. I...was her most Loyal son, her firstborn and eldest. She raised me to be her lapdog and servant. A marauder to chase down and take the brunt of it, and yet I received no love- only scorn. I weep for them, because I am them, I am a warhound, a son betrayed by his mother and now Hates her for her for it. She got what she wished for, but I refuse to be brought down with her. You're words hang true in my heart and you have stated it clearly. I am a Warhound, and I will not weep for her, but I'll weep for those who earned My Loyalty.
I think Angron ordered his legion to get the butchers nails so they can numb/cope with the attrocities they were ordered to do. Since the emperoro send them to the most brutal missions, to fully exterminate life on a planet. Kill civilians by the millions/billions and since they were meant to be the emapthic legion this would break them anyways. But by ordering them the nails implanted Angron took all there attrocities on the nails and on himself. True empathy
I don’t know why people are so confused about the Emperor. His character is quite simple: he does what he needs to see humanity survive. Sometimes that may require a gentle touch and some humanity, and sometimes that requires getting rid of tools that outlived their utility. Angron himself was simply only important insofar as he conquered for the Great Crusade. That’s it. If there was some reason that babysitting Angron and playing catch with him or whatever could have advanced the goal, the Emperor would have done that.
I wont pretend to have watched this "lore" video beyond minute 4... Coupe of things... What adoptive father? Angron didnt force the nails upon his "sons" they did it to themselves in an effort to understand him (this was a big no no). The thing of the primach being the "fathers" is relatively new (I think that it started with Abaddon in 3th edition) but still even if you are an imperial fanboy you can understand what Angron saw in his "sons"... More slaves... Worse because they were brainwashed and held by much more insidious chains... And wanted for him to be chained again into the service of another tyrant. Angron may be tragic but his "sons" were beyond that, they were pathetic (before the Khorne of course XD).
It's outright stated in the books that Angron wanted at times to love his sons and tried to, but he wanted to die but couldn't, he was depressed, suicidal, living in a waking nightmare. He didn't love his sons because he wanted death not a legion. His sons wanted their father because they were genetically programmed to be loyal to him. Angron didn't hate his sons, it's outright stated that he didn't, he hated himself and wanted them to hate him, he just didn't care about anything. Several World Eaters stated they would rather he hated them than just not care.
Could you do a video on how people get humanism wrong with every faction in 40k? I mean even with space marines, yes they’re human so they have somewhat human experience but as transhumans they transcend our experience but this transcendent experience is rarely talked about. I feel this way about xenos as well since info is always from an inquisition lens
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In that case, the first thing they need to do is make good friends with the Salamanders. The hugs will be spine-crushingly beautiful.
You are absolutely right!
Agreed.
I love the last ending message. “If your parents don’t love you, stop seeking what isn’t there, stand on your own feet.”
Even if they do love you, still have to learn to stand on your own.
Great video, and good line too.
thanks. for the line.
The only "sons" Angron respected were the sons who hated him, and now that they're dead, he has nothing to live for, but he can't die either. An abomination through and through like the nails that twisted him into the embodiment of mindless wrath he is now. The only possible redemption lies in Kharn, the last of his war orphans with some sense but entrapped in yet another's game and the built in kill counter just sells the idea that much more. He's as alone as you can get
Angron even smile and proud for the first time seeing how one of his sons struck a wound in on his neck, but the smile fades soon as his son ask his reason to betray the emperor.
To me we almost saw the old angron, the World eaters really wish would come, gallant and selfless like his son and maybe to see his healing ability come out again.
@aditghifari5039 proud of his son for standing up to his tyranny, then the bitter realization that he's still a dog leashed to a different master. We would've gotten the old Angron back, but thanks to the Emperor's unforgivable sin, Angron will forever be chained to his anger and regret of not being there for his people.
if i recall correctly, they actually have 31 hours or 1 standard nucerian day to conquer a world
correct!
I related more to Angron than his legion, as they didn't get the point he was trying to make. "HATE ME" as much as he hated his oppressors and Rebel against him. But his kids didn't, and he realised they never would, which is why he left, but Kharn still didn't get the point and came and got him and brought him right back into it....
On the part of the World Eaters they had a genetic need for their primarch, marines have a genetic link to their primarch, a bond. The World Eaters saw what every single other legion had and they wanted it, needed it, but they felt more respect for primarchs of other legions than their own. The World Eaters would have been better off if Angron had died. It's probably the best illustration of the complicated cycle of abuse I've seen in fiction.
Also, I think Angron wanted them to fail at conquring worlds for the empire. Thats why he gave them impossible tasks and constantly made their job harder. Which makes sense because the imperium is everything Angron fought against on his home world.
Angron is the worst of the Emperor's failures. And there are a lot of them.
He was still proud enough of Angron to not erase him from history like... The other two...
@@shamusfarmer we do not talk about them
I think you mean the emperor’s happy little accidents
g man is the biggest Failure. Now that is most likely do it GW bad writing but if anyone should wear that crown its gman.
EXCUSE YOU? @@a.j.6926
Yes, Big E unequivocally failed with Angron when it would have been so easy to just help beat the high riders. But, the space elves fucked up by weakening Angron to the point he could be captured. And Erda, the worst retcon in existence, sent him there in the first place.
Honestly to me Erda isn't even the worst retcon in the horus heresy series let alone worst in existence, and her introduction seemed mostly inconsequential thus inoffensive but I can't say you're wrong for thinking so. I 100% agree about the highriders and think it was really, inexplicably dumb of the emperor to just screw angron over so badly from their very first meeting. Seems like really bad writing to me.
Shocker the Eldar fucked up yet again
Nuceria is part of ultramar. Ultramar is the crown jewel of the imperium. Thats y big e didnt attack the high riders. I dont understand why this concept goes over the heads of the entire fanbase 🤔
@stephennorako1807 it's near Ultramar but afaik it's never stated to be part of Ultramar, considering at the time that Angron was being raised Guilleman was already ruling Ultramar and absolutely would have heard about Angron considering he was the most famous man on Nuceria and the Nucerians engaged in practices that were illegal in Ultramar, I don't think Nuceria was part of Ultramar. Additionally it's made very clear in Betrayer that although they were close to Ultramar Nuceria was not part of the 500 worlds and remained politically isolated from Ultramar. So the Emperor absolutely could have killed the High Riders, or just said here I'm your Emperor now, Angron is my son and I'm recruiting his warriors, deal with it.
Honestly, to me at least, it comes off as a lot of shitty writing.
And I say that because of how Bib E treated other primarchs and even had good relationships with some of them, and just up and chose to be such a colossal asshole to Angron pretty much for no reason.
And I don't want to debate the whole sons vs tools topic, but I will say, that even if Big E saw them as nothing but tools, they were some pretty damn important tools and he should've been volcanically pissed off that some uppity slavers damaged one of his most precious tools so badly.
And such things just comes off to me as the stupidest kind of writing.
1. Angron wasn't crazy. He is enraged! That is a big difference, he is understanding what he is doing. 2. He was not forcing Butcher's Nails, that was Kharn' idea. 3. War Hounds were conquerors, according to Legion Master Gheer.
I think one of the other draws to the world eaters, is that while they are typical 40k turn it up to 11 the butters nails themselves are a fairly good metaphor for certain types of depression. You get angry because feeling things hurts, the anger doesn't actually feel good but it at least feels loud and numb enough to drown everything else your feeling out.
"He may have been your father, boy. But he wasn't your daddy." 😢
Correction: Not 24h, but I believe World Eaters were supposed to make world compliant in 31h in line with the length of day on Nuceria.
Literally my favorite Legion because of their tragedy. They deserved so much better, but we all what happened.
Didn't click on this video expecting to tear up at a certain segment
Just goes to show how good it is.
I'm not crying
You're crying...
Yeah that ending cut deep and as someone who didn't grow up with their father I really needed to hear that so thanks man
Haven't watched fully yet but need to say, this and you Salamander and Worldeater shorts give me life. Where as the Salamanders are my top Loyalist Legion, Worldeaters are my top Traitor Legion. If things had gone right then I feel like Vulkan and Angron would have been the closest of brothers among the Primarcha
The funny part about the 12th and the 9th is that one saw violence as a necessity but they want to keep their honor with them as they viciously destroy the enemies (and they were critical about the vicious part because they don't like the Imperial Army not catching up), all while the 9th saw that ONLY victory matter so you guess how they do their work. They abandon all sense of honor, they go leeroy jenkins to nuke the enemy as fast as possible and survive by whatever means possible (including passing your brain to the new recruit when you die, so you live as part of them) to ensure victory
Angron the angry leading a bunch of berserkers who can only feel rage? I’m surprised Big E never considered they’d fall to Khorne.
This made me chuckle
This made me chuckle. Almost as good as a guy named iron hand, with an iron hand leading a legion called the iron hands
I keep thinking what if the primarchs didnt scatter, and trained together in a squad combining strengths before taking over their legions.
I can’t help but imagine that while his sons did all they can to please their father, to get him to love them, every time he looked at them, he just saw a cheap imitation of what could have been, a sort of reminder of the brothers and sisters he once had and the honorable death he would never receive, the rest he would never partake of.
Damn man, this sounds more like sharing real life trauma and pain just being told through the World Eaters story.
Anyone that was has gone through the real life equivalent, know your worthy and keep going.
Who could've thought that a video on 40k's blood crazed madmen could be so therapeutic
the dark gods have answered my prayers.
blood for the blood god
skulls for the skull throne
souls for the soul eater
Damn sir... this one hit home in ways I was not expecting. Thank you yet again sir.
You are most welcome
"Cry Havok" is the short story that really made me feel for the WEs. Without spoiling too much, Angron is a about to kill one of his loyalist sons, and right as hes about to the son essentially tells Angron hes an ass hole and hes always hated him more than anything. To which Angron said something like "for the first time, one of you has made me feel pride" or something its been a while. Their stories and lore really are just a metaphor for abusive parent/child relationships and the cycle of abuse in general. Theyd mutilate themselves just donthey could understand their father's pain and become closer to him. WEs could've been something truly amazing if their Primarch wasn't as broken as he was.
I read a story about the world eaters being what they are supposed to be, guardians of humanity and paladins. Angron didn't had the butcher nails in him so he was what he was to be, a caring father to his sons, a protector and healer to others.
This last part felt like a warm hug i was needing bro, thank you for it
“The World Eaters do not, in fact, eat worlds.”
-🤓
Exactly, they make Erebus eat dirt
@@arcturus960that's something unique to Kharn because we all kniw what he'll do to someone who steps on his ground
Listening to Brad talk about the warhounds, they were the closest thing to the TW's in the Legiones Astartes, loyal to a fault, rough around the edges, and shot through with martial pride.
This might be my new favorite series on RUclips, doing deep dives into legions and what they were really like at their core
As a mega World Eaters fan I gotta say:thank you for making this.
Like he nameless hero of Planescape Torment, Angron still has a chance for atonement. A Journey to the self at which end waits not freedom nor salvation, but wisdom and judgment. And eternal damnation.
One wonders if there is a parallel universe where Erda trusted the Big E's plan and did not send them careening out into the ether...
And with all of the greatest of the World Eaters, the one that has felled the furthest is Kharn for he has betrayed even his own brothers and accepted slaughter as a whole because the anchor that had him sane is gone, AND WE KNOW WHY
I've mentioned before I think Angron would be the most interesting clone Primarch. This just triples down on that.
I recall somewhere else, maybe here, someone was speculating that the King in Yellow might be trying to bring back the 30k Emperor, and I found myself thinking Guiliman would likely ally with the 40k Emperor, rather than trying to wind back the clock, and wondering how the Star Child would fit.
I could see a clone whole Angron siding with the Star Child against everyone else, and the galaxy burning.
This is the perfect reference I needed for my homebrew chapter, thanks!
The last part hit deep. 🤙🏻thanks dude
In Angrons Primarch Primarch Book the Warhounds start fighting with the now transformed World Eaters. So they questioned him before Istvaan
Moral of the story : there is no honour in blind obedience
11:08 _Damn_ that hit hard.
Edit: _Damn_ so did almost all of it after.
That's the lamnest f-ing ending for the world eaters. Random bad luck killed an entire legion and a primarch
I was like oh a world eaters video. Now im crying damn that was touching
14:36 they’re basically orks in power armor.
There's a lot that people get wrong about the entire situation. For one, "Empathy" doesn't mean Salamander-like Bro's - it CAN, but that's not necessarily how the War Hounds, with a whole and undamaged Angron would have been. It could very well have been a more hive-like mentality, where you never fought a single War Hound - there was ALWAYS another War Hound. And where they wouldn't need to communicate with one another in battle - one would have his bolter knocked out of his hand and his brother would immediately have a shield ready to go in front of him to cover him while he dove to get it, or where they would be so in synch with one another that it was terrifyingly robotic - like Necrons, in some ways. They were already known for inflicting terror by simply walking slowly at their enemies, never speeding up, never slowing down, and unstoppable avalanche of doom - have that, and make it so that it seems that they literally see with each others eyes - a sniper takes a shot at one Astartes, while his back is to the sniper, but a shield is suddenly in his way as a War Hound who was facing away from the Sniper suddenly lifts his shield in the nick of time, and neither even look back at the sniper. A War Hound suddenly throws his axe towards one of his brothers, for no apparent reason - then the brother has his own axe knocked from his hand but is able to catch the thrown axe and not miss a downswing. There are a LOT of possibilities that could go with "Empathy" that don't involve being the "Everybody needs a hug!" style bro's.
Another thing that could have happened with Empathy? Sympathy - up to and including suicidal sympathy. Sympathy with the Mutant. Sympathy with the Civilization who just wanted to be left alone. Potentially even sympathy with the Xeno. A reluctance to continue to serve the Emperor. A weakness that could be exploited by Chaos, "I'm not evil, I'm a misunderstood Xeno from another plane of reality!". Empathy is a double-edged sword.
(and what people get wrong about Angron... man. Players have a critical blind spot when it comes to ANYTHING in our settings - we CONSTANTLY forget that we know more about the setting than the Characters do, and judge characters poorly because they do things we know they shouldn't - but there's no reason for the Character to act any differently. Angron is perhaps the most glaring example in Warhammer 30k for this)
Angron is the beaten fighting dog of the Primarchs. Unfortunately the Warhounds became the same among the legions.
Needed, name for Bradley’s weird pre-Christmas thing.
Brad-vent.
The world eaters legion master before angron was lhorke, he would later be among the first dreadnoughts of 12th legion and be stationed and put together sleep aboard the conqueror. In the book betrayer, He would be brought out of sleep by lotara and was asked by her to defend the ship from ultramarines. He would meet his demise on nuceria when he and the legions librarians would try to stop lorgar from transforming angron into a demon primarch.
God damn, way to make me shed a tear for the World Eaters...
This is enough to make a grown man cry...
The Space Wolves are sorta like the War Hounds than the World Eaters now, if you need a comparison.
Also FINALLY someone I like covers this. No bias from me, obviously ;)
I feel like the black templars are the closest thing to the war hounds
@@alexbrowne9566 never thought of that, but I can see it. Though the War Hounds never were that into Emperor worship..
@The_Calcium_King it's less about the religious side but more because of their overall fighting style and hardcore warrior ethos
Did you know the black templars habit of chaining their weapons was learned by Sigismund from the time he spent with the world eaters
@alexbrowne9566 I did, in fact. Which is why I said I saw what you meant. It's honestly pretty cool to think about the fact such domino effects as a history nerd like myself. Khârn and Sigismund were basically brothers.
@The_Calcium_King yeah, such little details really do it for my history nerdship too
Kharn and sigi were the bros of the Astartes and learned a lot from each other, truly a pleasure to read whenever either of those guys surface in the literature
As a WE fan myself, THIS is why the 12th is so compelling. In the Grimdarkness the story of the 12th is one of the most grim and tragic.
As Kharn once told Tal "No... It didn't."
I'm a loyalist but I cannot bring myself to actually hate all of the traitors as the World Eaters, Night Lords, Thousand Sons and Death Guard have understandable reasons as to why they fell and they are bathed in tragedy. The Sons of Horus, not so much and I feel bad for Fulgrim as he was tainted without knowing any defence against what was happening to him (before Mirror Cracked fucked that story up!) but I don't feel sorry for his sons. As for the Alpha Legion, I just don't feel much sympathy as their reason doesn't justify what has happened and I feel bad for the Iron Warriors, but not Perturabo.
I wish this is how the world eaters were explained to me, and not just the "RAA RAA KILL BLOOD SKULLS AAAAAAAAAAAA" you always end up with. I know 40k is an absurd grimdark future meant to sell models that are constantly fighting each other. But I also like that the setting is endlessly tragic, with each faction having a deep sadness and misunderstanding to them. I like that far more then I enjoy that part of the hobby far more.
...are you okay? That last bit there for the video...that seemed a lot more personal...are you okay? That hit a bit harder than even usual...
But yeah, Salamanders? Need to give LOTS of hugs to the Warhounds.
I'm good brother, whenever I do these video's my goal is not only to give justice to the faction, but those who love them, so I try to get into their headspace.
Great video do plan on doing death guard next?
They're on the list.
I honestly don't blame Angron for what he did, as if the Emperor did the same to some of the other primarchs, to the same degree, I highly doubt they would've stayed loyal either.
But I honestly hate how the Emperor treated Angron because of how it reeks of shitty writing.
And I'm not just trying to make excuses by saying that, as it just reeks of some idiot who hates the Emperor or Imperium as a whole was chosen to write how Big E treated Angron and they were just allowed to make the Emperor act like a colossal asshole for no reason.
Yeah, I get that Big E isn't a saint by any means, but I also know that he had fairly good relationships with other primarchs and it just comes off as some idiot writer having him be an asshole to Angron just because they don't like him or the Imperium.
And even if he did just look at the primarchs as tools, they were *VERY* important tools and he should've been volcanically pissed that some uppity slavers would dare to damage one of his most important tools so badly. He should've wiped out their armies for that if nothing else.
Tore into my feels with this one
The existence of Angron + the skills they have given Fabius Bile causes a lot of plot hole type of things to appear within the lore. Firstly, it was stated in one of the books that Big E could not remove the nails from Angron because too much damage was done...but he decided to keep Angron & give him a Legion of his own.
Fabius Bile is a normal human being who did survive the whole turning into an Astartes bit but he has no special powers...yet he was able to invent the procedures & things to actually clone what seems to be, fully grown versions of each Primarch.
So, they are going to tell me that the smartest human in the whole lore, who actively learned genetical modifications & such...to the point he grew twenty different custom made beings in a lab could not do what Fabius has accomplished & just write off the original Angron he created due to the nails...& just clone a replacement? It makes no sense... They should've never added the whole "Primarch Cloning" thing into the story for many reasons.
You can't just clone a primarch, the primarchs are in part a product of the warp, the Emperor needed the chaos gods to create them and Fabius Bile used chaos f*ckery to clone them, the physicality isn't the problem it's the soul that can't be easily created. The Emperor would have needed another deal with the chaos gods to make another Angron and he had learned his lesson the first time.
12:48 what is this POV art work.
Yes angron's boys
Wait, because Angron is a demon now, removing the nails won’t kill kill him. So will that work?
Problem is, he's still a daemon.
@ another problem for another time
Btw 18:55 what's the origin o these world eaters and civis helping to survivie tyranid invasion?
No idea, it's just some cool fan art.
That was beautiful especially the end thank you and think I will give the world eater a shot from now lol still salamanders till death tho
One of my favorite traitor legions.
Yo brad you good bro? Some of that you are not your father bit felt like projection and this is coming from someone who once feared being just like his dad but now hopes to be half the man his father was
I'm good brother, when ever I do one of these vids, I really try and get into the mind of the faction, my goal is to understand why people love them, and show them that I get it, so that others will as well.
When did this become a therapy session
I weep for them, and I'm not saying this because I'm a fan or something akin to a joke. I weep for them, because I know what they feel like: the rage, pain, hatred not your own, and corrupted Empathy. It wasn't just my father who hurt me, it was my mother; she was close to an Angron that any person would get. She suffered from MS(multiple sclerosis)- Her Butchers nails. I...was her most Loyal son, her firstborn and eldest. She raised me to be her lapdog and servant. A marauder to chase down and take the brunt of it, and yet I received no love- only scorn. I weep for them, because I am them, I am a warhound, a son betrayed by his mother and now Hates her for her for it. She got what she wished for, but I refuse to be brought down with her. You're words hang true in my heart and you have stated it clearly. I am a Warhound, and I will not weep for her, but I'll weep for those who earned My Loyalty.
You are not alone brother, there are many who share in your pain, and we can all be found here, in this hobby.
Attack dogs. Not guard dogs...:)
I think Angron ordered his legion to get the butchers nails so they can numb/cope with the attrocities they were ordered to do.
Since the emperoro send them to the most brutal missions, to fully exterminate life on a planet. Kill civilians by the millions/billions and since they were meant to be the emapthic legion this would break them anyways. But by ordering them the nails implanted Angron took all there attrocities on the nails and on himself. True empathy
I must be a World Eater then :(
Angron looked like a space clown before he got all demonic.
A nucerian day is 31 hours not 24 👍
Wait - 80000 world eaters - which book was this in? the Sons of the Forest book with the Lion? Please let me know. Would like to read.
Arks of Omen: Angron
@GeneralBradley101VA thanks!
but.. thats all they do they love fighting..
I don’t know why people are so confused about the Emperor. His character is quite simple: he does what he needs to see humanity survive. Sometimes that may require a gentle touch and some humanity, and sometimes that requires getting rid of tools that outlived their utility.
Angron himself was simply only important insofar as he conquered for the Great Crusade. That’s it. If there was some reason that babysitting Angron and playing catch with him or whatever could have advanced the goal, the Emperor would have done that.
Just realized unrepeat the samething over and over that this video wouldvd been only 5min😂😂😂😂
Please don't be absurd.😢
I wont pretend to have watched this "lore" video beyond minute 4... Coupe of things...
What adoptive father?
Angron didnt force the nails upon his "sons" they did it to themselves in an effort to understand him (this was a big no no).
The thing of the primach being the "fathers" is relatively new (I think that it started with Abaddon in 3th edition) but still even if you are an imperial fanboy you can understand what Angron saw in his "sons"... More slaves... Worse because they were brainwashed and held by much more insidious chains... And wanted for him to be chained again into the service of another tyrant.
Angron may be tragic but his "sons" were beyond that, they were pathetic (before the Khorne of course XD).
It's outright stated in the books that Angron wanted at times to love his sons and tried to, but he wanted to die but couldn't, he was depressed, suicidal, living in a waking nightmare. He didn't love his sons because he wanted death not a legion. His sons wanted their father because they were genetically programmed to be loyal to him. Angron didn't hate his sons, it's outright stated that he didn't, he hated himself and wanted them to hate him, he just didn't care about anything. Several World Eaters stated they would rather he hated them than just not care.
Pathetic? In what way
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Salutations General 🫡
Could you do a video on how people get humanism wrong with every faction in 40k? I mean even with space marines, yes they’re human so they have somewhat human experience but as transhumans they transcend our experience but this transcendent experience is rarely talked about. I feel this way about xenos as well since info is always from an inquisition lens
World Eaters are supposed to be Empaths due to Angron being the embodiment of the Emperor's Empathy, the Butchers Nails really screwed them big time