Most cars usually last a long time when they're used for livery or delivery service because the engine is kept at operating temperature for much longer durations than the average commuter vehicle, resulting in fewer heat cycles and therefore less thermal expansion and contraction when an engine sees most of its wear and tear. There's a lady who is a parts runner who put 1 million miles on her Hyundai Elantra. Hyundai featured her story and gave her a new Elantra for free.
I believe this was the case with the 1 million mile Tundra as well, he drove the thing all day, everyday, and basically only shut it off to go to the bathroom or put gas in it.
I have 2017 Yukon Denali. I deleted the AMF. Bought new. Awesome driving experience with 420 hp. I added Borla GM exhaust. I'm 67 years of age and love driving every mile. I get 25.4 mpg at 77 mph. 3 hr. drive. Change oil every 4,500 miles. I have no doubt should last at least 250 000.
My coworker here in the oilfield here in Texas has a 2020 trail boss with a 6.2 L in it rep purchased in October 2019, I just walked over and looked at it to see how many miles was on it it shows 323k miles as of 1p.m. Today. The only issue he says happened when it was under warranty and about 5000 miles they put an air conditioner compressor on it and about three weeks ago at 319,000 miles he had to put an alternator on it other than that it's just gas and go every day 350 miles, about 82,000 miles a year. I have the exact truck he has with the 6.2 but mine is a 2022 model it likes a few days being two years old and mine sits at 168,000 miles on it right now and not a single dollar spent on it mechanically.
Changing the oil often enough is the biggest factor when it comes to lifters. I work with a bunch of guys with 2014 and newer GM trucks and none of them have had a lifter problem but they change their oil like old timers... every 3k miles.
With that level of "extreme" high mileage one has to believe the vast majority of them were highway miles and very little stop & go city driving. This is far easier on a vehicle than typical commuter-style city driving so I think I'd have one like this in a heartbeat given the price point.
@@guamazolopez6456 AFM (DoD) has issues primarily when the oil isn't changed often enough. It has little to do with highway vs city driving. These engines need 3k to 5k (MAX) oil change intervals. If the engine sees a lot of cold weather short trips, it should be changed every 3k miles if possible. The transmissions need the external trans cooler bypass valve updated to the new lower temperature setting, which will extend the live of the torque converter and transmission. These vehicles are solid if properly maintained.
@@guamazolopez6456 I have a 2012 Yukon SLT with 212k miles. I use an AFM disabler which came with it when I bought it from the previous owner. I also use Motor Medic Motor Flush before every synthetic oil change. It burns no oil at all, no knocks or taps, no V4 mode. Still runs smooth & strong. Biggest problems I've had were the throttle body & MAF sensors & had to replace the intake gasket. I think the AFM/DoD lifter collapse problem is largely a result of extended time between oil changes and build-up of sludge - thus why I use the Motor Flush. It definitely helps keep it running with proper oil pressure.
Queue the "What oil did you use?" comments. lol. Seriously, that's quite the accomplishment. What kind of maintenance regiment did you do to get there?
I bought the vehicle last summer. It had 280k on it. It was previously owned by a guy who kept meticulus records on it. All original 2WD. Got it for $2.5k. Drove from NM to RI and back week after I bought it. @@tonycj7860
My mom's 08 suburban has 360k on it, she put in a new transmission at around 280k, but everything else has been good. Well actually a new Transfer case too, the electronic switch malfunctioned and was putting it in 4x4, which the tranny builder said was pretty common.
Anecdotal experience alone shouldn’t be your reason for a conclusion. I’m not saying you’re wrong but rather you’re potentially falling into a logical fallacy. Here’s to another 300k miles on your ‘06 Tahoe!
I've purchased my last 2 SUV's that were previous rental cars. They both had under 20k miles on them. The one I gave my son only has 15k over 4 years and the one I drive daily has over 100k in 3 years of service. Get what you need and keep your maintenance done and you're good to go 😊
high mileage fleet vehicles get that way by being reliable. I purchased a 2011 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost in 2015 for $10k with 140k miles, still have it with 250k miles. Excellent vehicle.
I met both very happy 3.5 owners and some going backwards, one also 2011 put 200k no issues, another has recent new one and is doing second cam phasers replacement before 70k, I rented Navigator once by accident and it sure was pretty fun
Exactly, ecoboost motors are very reliable for the most part. People just like to blow things out of proportion and find ones that were abused to claim they're bad motors.
The first year 3.5 Ecoboost was the best year since they used the better quality roller style timing chain. Stupid that they switched to the silent style chain and starting having timing chain stretch.
Me and my family have always had GM vehicles and not one has had a major problem… They still make pretty good vehicles today, especially when compared to the competition!
I think Brenden is a great addition to your channel and love the episodes where you go through the auction lot. I once bought a ram 1500 that was one year old with 90,000 miles. I think vehicles that stay on the road fare better than sporadic short driven vehicles.
Any time now you'll be getting your Hemi tick. Just get it fixed within 30,000 miles once you hear it and you'll be able to save the motor. Start saving now because the repair is over $4,000 now thanks to Bidenflation.
@@SuperSnakePlissken Usually when the HEMI tick happens the damage is already done. The roller lifters eat the cam when it happens. Exhaust manifold tick is more common though.
I’ve had a Suburban, 2 Yukons, and an Escalade. All very high mileage while I owned them and they have all been super reliable. Great vehicles. Driving an’23 Yukon now with 32k on it and I think it’s my forever vehicle.
Had an 08 Yukon that went to car heaven at 270k miles last month. Head gasket blew, which blew the radiator. It’s a case in which I didn’t know the warning signs and had I done my due diligence could have maybe prolonged its life. It was a beast though. Shoot, it still ran with the blown head and radiator…obviously not safely, but shit, it ran.
My mom is still driving her 08 suburban with 360k miles, her previous car was an 04 Yukon that is sitting now, main seal is going out, but it can still drive short distances. The Yukon has around 320k. My family has had good luck with these suvs.
I have an 07 Suburban LTZ with 180k. I love it and I see 2015 Yukon XL SLT for $15999 but it has 197k. Maybe I could talk them down. It is so beautiful. Any advice?
The biggest roll of the dice is whether the livery service maintained it regularly, especially keeping up with all the fluid changes per the manufacturer’s schedule.
Great video! I love these vehicles and have one, a 6.2l version. They are bullet proof, perfect for families and active people who need space, and perfect for long road trips.
@@KangXero Sucks for you but for every guy that chimes in with "I had a lifter failure" there's a dozen that say they haven't. sht i work with a ton of guys with 2014+ GM trucks and there are a bunch with over 200k miles, not a single lifter failure. They've had issues like the AC condensor leaking but no lifter problems. They're all old timers that change their oil every 3 or 4k miles though. Amazing what taking care of your vehicle can do for you.
Cars love to be driven. As long as the maintenance is done and parts are replaced when they should be this is exactly how a quality vehicle should be like with that many miles on it.
That's the point of the car haha. People are so hung up on "not putting miles" on their cars because they won't get the returns they look for. But that's not what cars are for unless it's an exclusive car
Great video TFL crew and what a great find. I seen dozens of them so it shows these SUVs are reliable. I maybe the only person who heavily supports the cylinder deactivation and auto start/stop features because they truly do work on fuel economy efficiency. I am a huge GM car fan and will always be. I maybe biased, but I’m telling you with my experience, these systems from GM truly do work on efficiency and as long every owner keeps up on maintenance, these engines will be more reliable than the crap from Toyota or Honda. Fords have always been crap. I owned 2 Chevrolet Silverados, 2014 with AFM and over 184,000 miles and 2020 with DFM, auto start/stop, and 8 spd auto(currently owning right now and have over 146,000 miles), and both have been absolutely reliable trucks. Routine inspection every time I go in for an oil change. If something major needs to be fixed, I get it done. I driven both trucks for deliveries and ride share as for my jobs and never had let me down. All cars and trucks can be reliable if you keep up with maintenance. What I believe what people keep saying about GMs engines being unreliable with lifter issues and such obviously don’t care about maintenance and being really rough on their trucks. Don’t what others say about their experience or such, I’ll stand by with my opinion.
@@mujjuman Oh boy, I did not keep tract of it that closely. Anytime it broke, I fixed it. I prob had 3-4k worth of parts into it over the 4 years I owned it. I did everything myself including rebuilding the rear end when I first bought it. I bought it with a blown rear end at a discount.
I had a 2018 Suburban from 2020 to 2023. Bought with 37k, sold with 90k and running strong. I put a ton of parts on that thing. I'll never buy another GM product.
After reading some of these comments, I'm surprised at the number of people that think every rental car is being driven like it was stolen. I've rented dozens of cars and always drove them like I do my own cars. I've also ridden in dozens more rental cars with business associates, and they always drove normally as well. Maybe it depends on the area of the country people are from?
I have. 2002 Yukon with 313k miles. It’s been my everyday truck since 2004. I’ve replace water pump, alternator and starter over the years. Still took it on a 12 hr roadtrip 2 months ago. Still runs strong. 💪🏼
I have a 2016 Suburban LT (essentially the exact same vehicle) and it has been so easy and cheap to own. I DID have to replace the transmission because the previous owner was the state government and it was overloaded and used in a motorcade for years, but absolutely NOTHING else has gone wrong with it at over 200,000 miles. I couldn't be happier with it. It's quiet, super comfortable, safe, and gets great mileage for a vehicle that big.
As a Black man these are very popular with the younger generation. Often swapped with Denali trim pieces. I actually see quite a few of these well over 100k miles being sold at buy here, pay here lots. The most common issue they nearly all have is coolant leaks, power steering whining, and slipping transmissions.
I do believe maintenance is a big part of longevity. If someone buys a car that they can barely make the payments on, most are willing to skip the maintenance without blinking an eye. Some private owners buy cars and take really good care of their vehicles and get 300k with no issues. My dad had a co-worker with a 1993 Ford Taurus that had over 250k miles with the original engine and transmission, but he was rigorous with his maintenance to the Tee, changed all the fluids, from power steering fluid, coolant, brake fluid, changed rubber components before failure like belts, hoses.
GM reliability is always a big gamble. Sometimes you’ll roll the dice & have no problems. But your buddy could buy the same model and his is so bad he has to use the lemon law. I don’t like to gamble, so I buy Toyota, Honda & Subaru.
I have had 4 GM’s. 2 cars that just ran with no real issues and 2 trucks that were nothing but issues. My 99 Blazer had the 4.3 throw a pushrod through the top end at 23,000 miles then at 31,000 miles the transfer case blew up after an internal failure caused pump rub. My 05 3500 D-Max was back to the dealer 30 times in just over 9 months. Paint failure, steering issue, u-joint, carrier bearing, injector issues, steering wheel controls, ect. Traded it for a F-350 and haven’t looked at GM since!
Good review and video. If you think about it, the GMT900 is a improved GMT 800 and the K2 which is this, continues the trend. In fact i think the K2 is the pinnacle of the chassis. The oldest ones are coming up on 10 years now and my 17 Suburban with 240k miles is hands down one of the best vehicles i have ever owned. It runs rings around my 04 Suburban which is GMT800. The 17 does not have the issues that the 04 had, bad Transfer case, rusty brake lines, Abs issues and the crap 4l60 E along with a ton of rust. It got good fuel economy but the 17 blows it away. Only thing i had to change on the truck was the battery which is no surprise. One thing GM should never have done with this vehicle was call it the Yukon XL, it gives the impression that its a long wheelbase variant but its not. It should have gotten its own unique name or be kept as the GMC Suburban, there was no need to change the name. The only true K2 that is a LWB is the Escalade ESV as the Escalade came first.
I've bought two former rentals, had them both checked out with trusted local mechanics before making the purchase. My first one was a 2002 Toyota Camry and that thing was bulletproof with zero issues. Got it still under warranty and it just ran and ran for many years. My current one is a 2019 Nissan Armada, only one issue with it was a recall for a low voltage starting issue. I've had it for a few years now and no other issues. Both were/are very solid vehicles. I may be in the minority for having a good experience with former fleet/rental vehicles as I'm sure many others have had bad experiences. I wouldn't hesitate to look at another rental. Great video as always.
My family has a 2016 GMC Yukon XL Denali that we got brand new in 2016. It now has 155,000 miles and has been absolutely flawless. Love this generation of GMC Yukons. Might be my personal favorite generation. Love the 6.2 V8 in our Denali especially. It’s been a great vehicle and we don’t plan on getting rid of it anytime soon.
@@supersteve1585 surprisingly no. It’s a little jerky sometimes but it’s done that since it was new and it’s not like real bad. It just is a little jerky when it’s cold. The 10 speed is definitely a better transmission though imo
@@supersteve1585 we have not. All we’ve done to it is just routine maintenance since we got it brand new. We had to replace the front struts a couple years ago but it was already at higher mileage when that happen so that’s not too abnormal but other than that, we haven’t done anything else to it other than routine maintenance
@@TheRKHCollection Yeah i figure for the struts and stuff. but my biggest was the engine and the trans. we have 03 yukon over 200,000 miles, going strong. But the rust is eating it up. We also brought a 07 suburban 160k to replace the yukon but huge oil burning problem which most likey caused by the afm which we sold immediately. We were think if we do buy a yukon 2018+, we just do afm delete which will be time consuming, to avoid the problem altogether. thanks fo your ownership insight.👍
3 of my last 4 vehicles have been rental company vehicles for that exact reason. They’re maintained. They generally have proof of maintenance. Do your due diligence and check the vehicle over for the cosmetic and mechanical damage. If there is none, generally good to go. I’ve had great luck with it.
I have the 2017 Yukon XL-Denali version. The rear hatch issue isn't the struts themselves, it's the "liftgate Strut Actuator Assembly. Since it was noted before I bought it (used in 2022), it was covered under warranty.... instead of the $622 est cost for part & labor. If you know what you are doing, the parts were $375.
As for buying a "rental/livery" vehicle.... I find it usually depends on the cost of said rental. The low budget "beaters" get severely abused and I'd never buy one. However, for the most part, the high-end vehicles get taken care of by the renters.... except for their kids usually trashing the interior during their rental period.
I feel so validated!! I put 260,000 miles on my 99 Suburban before trading it for a 2014 Yukon XL SLT - less than a year old with 24K miles and formerly owned by a rental company. I have 140,000 miles on it now and have only replaced the radiator. The engine and transmission are much better and faster than the earlier truck. I feel no need for the 6.2 and its super unleaded requirement.
Great video guys. Rental cars no, but commercial fleet yes. Commercial drivers are more professional and have the responsibility to their jobs where as renters won't see that car again Electronics are solid state and if they haven't failed yet, will probably be fine. Ota updates on electronics are more troublesome because developers are human and can create new unforseen issues with an update. That vehicle probably has no OTA updates and GM stopped developing for it anyway.
Electronics wise this Yukon XL should be more reliable than the newer one even though it still has other failure points that can be costlier - eg: the rear LED lights when they fail and short circuit- many I have seen in Qatar have at least on rear tailight out .
I purchased an ex rental car, a 2021 GMC Terrain SLT, with 70,000 and other than some small cosmetic issues, the car is mechanically sound. It drives perfectly. I saved lots of money versus buying a new one (I always favor used or slightly used over new).
My 2005 Suburban Z71 4x4 is still going with almost 370k miles. I only paid $2,300 for it last year and the best part is, i can enstall another engine 5.3L or 6.0L relatively cheap and it will be better than the new stuff rolling off the lot. I purchased my 2007 GMC Yukon SLT 4x4 for just $2,500 last year with 230k miles and its also going strong and can do same engine swap for cheap, possibly add a 6.2L for cheap. Older trucks have value.
You admitted there is no service data available, so how do you know that it's been reliable? That's a complete GUESS. For all you know the original engine was replaced with one that had the active fuel management (known major issue) deleted. Same for the transmission. This video is VERY misleading. Next time do some investigation before you publish these unsubstantiated opinions.
True but I also have a Yukon 2015 has almost 250k miles on it, if you keep well maintained it’ll last you just main issues I have with this car is the touch screen is bugged now and A/C doesn’t work other then that it works very well still 👍 still have all original parts in my car
I have two GMC Trucks.. both bought brand new, 2002 Gmc 1500, has a 437,000mi.. Original engine & trans.. all the front end like ball joints & rod ends ect have been changed 2x, brakes 4x, 1 alternator, 1 water pump, 1 fuel pump.. Thats it.. Its now my beater, and gets used to haul junk or do dirty work like mulch in spring ect.. The second truck is a 2014 GMC 1500 SLT and its got 288k mi.. Had 1 lifter go out under warranty in 2015, but since its been solid.. Only brakes & rotors once, and thats it, it could use some new ball joints & front end work, but I plan to do it at 300k.. Both trucks get oil changes at 4,800-5000mi religiously by me in my garage using GM Oil & Wix Filters..
I get a new Silverado 5.3 every 3 years as I put about 55-65 thousand in a year. Never had any engine problems but transmissions usually only make it til anywhere from 120-150 thousand. If it wasn’t for the transmissions I’d say they’re great.
Wow, it even comes with a full tank of gas! Also, personal experience tells me that 5.3L engine is very robust even with the cylinder deactivation scheme.
As much love as I have for the 5.3, that lifter failure problem can wipe a camshaft out in no time, trashing every bearing in the engine. It's kind of like Russian roulette, where it is dead reliable until it fails catastrophically.
@@Mournful3ch0 Only 60 iq mouthbreathers that keep driving with a bad lifter manage to damage their cam. If you're 30 miles from home and keep driving with a lifter bouncing in there, yeah, your dumb *ss will probably damage a cam. Lifters fail when clowns don't change their oil often enough. For every anonymous claim of "I had a lifter fail at xx miles" there are a dozen guys that say they have 100k or 200k miles without a lifter failure. Some dunces on here act like there's a 50/50 chance of a lifter failure in the first 100k miles. If the data actually backed that, GM would have lost a class action lawsuit over it by now. Reality is that GM makes nearly a million small block engines a year with AFM or DFM. Even a 1% failure rate makes it *appear* like all the lifters in all the engines are failing when you sell that many AFM/DFM vehicles.
Rule of thumb for highway miles is that 1 highway mile = 1/3 of a city mile, so if this is all highway miles the vehicle has more like 76k on it. You can check for highway miles by finding low wear on brake pedal and seatbelt, tons of dents and bugs in the radiator, and low operating hours relative to mileage
And several windshields - also those annoying small dings in the paint on the bumper, mirrors, headlights, etc. My F150 looks showroom new with 150K, but the front parts look like a lot of wear ...
I bought a 2023 Yukon denali 8 months ago. As i was driving my car it seemed like whenever i stopped at a traffic light. The auto start stop never worked. So I talked to my dealer about it, he said that Dynamic fuel management system come turned off from the factory, which disables the auto start stop as well. I have driven almost 49000km and the 6.2 V8 is running strong and showing impressive fuel economy results.
Reliability vs time= maintenance cycles. I have one of the most unreliable vehicles on the road a 2001 jeep GC limited v8 4.7l 1st gen SOHC with 167k on it. runs smooth as cream pie has never let me down once. I change fluids, replace parts before they break, just like fleet vehicles it boils down to maintenance cycles and how hard the "driver" treats it.
I got a 2018 GMC Yukon and I just got it in July has 32,000 miles on it but lately we’ve been throwing the miles on it. It’s a very nice vehicle very very quiet so far not one issue so I think that Yukons would last several years without problems we also have a 2015 suburban that my mom drives not one issue in the time we own it
hey my 2018 chevy cruze (owned since brand new) has 199k miles and has yet to have a single reliability related issue, the only time it ever had to go in for a repair was a collision repair, a LOT of people refuse to admit gm has gotten to the point they know how to make a good reliable car
Keep the comments coming about rental cars constantly being beat on. It keeps the used prices down. As someone who rents more cars in a month than most people rent in a lifetime, I have found that the vast majority of rental cars go from the airport to a hotel to a jobsite to a hotel (repeat for the length of a job) and then back to an airport. These drivers don't have time to take them to a drag strip or find curbs to drive them over. The only rentals that get routinely abused in my experience are the pony cars, V8 Chargers and the budget cars that only college kids rent (i.e. car names that start with Nissan, Hyundai, or Kia).
Hello. In in1994 I got from Phil long Fotd a 1993 Ranger with 13000 miles! I drove it till I retired in 2003, to work at 43 miles one way , then drove nene more miles, and frturned from conifer Colorado to Minnesota in 2005. In 2001 I gave it to my grandson it to him with over 300,00 miles with most of the original ( execr) tires) factory excerpts equipment. It now nas nearly 230, ooo miles!
In the early days of the pandemic when the rental car companies were dumping their brand new 2019's, it had every option one could get that model year. It was a former rental car out of Florida with 9,000 miles on it. Today it has about 70,000 miles and hasn't had a single issue. Only wear and tear items (oil, oil filter, and tires).
Should be a $9,000 vehicle with that kind of mileage. The amount of maintenance you're going to be hassled with for the rest of it's life should bring the price down a lot more if you value your time at all.
GMs interior fit and finish and material quality has drastically improved over the years, and that bodystyle truck and SUV is where the biggest leap was made in my opinion. The AFM and especially DFM cylinder shutdown technology is not my favorite but changing oil sooner than recommended definitely seems to be the way to minimize the potential for a failure. Now the 2021 model year not withstanding because there clearly was bad parts for a big chunk of the model year.
The 5.3L AFM / DOD has held up on my 07 Silverado just fine and it gets 17-19 mpg which is about the same as the new 2.7L in the full size trucks. I’d almost say the gas savings would pay for new lifters even if they did go bad!
The list of vehicles most likely to make it past 300,000 miles is a bunch of full-size trucks and the Toyota Prius, basically the vehicles most likely to be "hot-seated" in commercial fleets.
I As long as the oil is changed regularly the cylinder de-activation is not that unreliable. You see loads for sale with 200000+ miles. Just look after your car!!
This is key point that I think a lot of people don’t get. Don’t chance your oil at manufacturer recommendations. I do mine at the 50% mark on my 5.3L which usually works out to be around 6000km
Idk why they are surprised about a high millage GM truck/SUV. This platform has been out since 2014, and regularly goes over 200-300k with very minimal repairs. Same with Ford F-150/Expeditions. Most engine/transmission issues with these year trucks were taken care of under warranty. With a tune/deactivation device, these motors have proven to be extremely reliable. The people who have issues with these trucks are the ones who don't do the recommended modifications and service
These kinds of vehicles are generally owned by companies who have strict schedules for maintenance. Even if this SUV was rented to the public, I think it would be more like a family going to the national parks compared to flooring it and curbing everywhere.
I bought 2 tahoes over the years from ex rental car fleets so far.. I've had great luck. just what you said.. this is going to be a family car from the airport, I don't think I would buy an ex rental car Camaro though
I can almost guarantee that transmission has been replaced. Those 6 speeds in that generation 1500/suburban is known for torque converters taking out the transmission. I don’t know anyone that made it to 200k on the original transmission in that body style. Most people started having issues around 100k
Another interesting thing. Just because a car has 230k doesn't mean it was reliable or trouble free. Did the AFM/DOD lifters need to be replaced? Transmission rebuilt etc? Any car can last any amount of time if it is maintained and repairs are made. Question is, did it need any major repairs?
I have a 2007 Pontiac Grand Prix GT with a supercharged 3800 series 3 engine it has 196,000 miles and is still running strong it’s at the shop getting an oil change and a few parts that need to be replaced because the originals are worn but W body cars and Pontiacs with 3800 in general are very reliable if u take care of them
I still have a 2004 that has been badly abused and neglected. I’m talking racing way over due oil changes. Running it without oil. Still running good with 350k on it. I haven’t heard the same after they started doing that cylinder shutoff system thing.
2020 had active fuel management so I’m impressive there wasn’t lifter failure. Show me 2021 and later that now has dynamic fuel management and awful annoying stop/start.
Well I have 23 denali, i talked to my dealer its seems like they have turned off DFM from the factory itself, which also disables the Auto start stop. I have 49000 km and running very strong.
I'll give my 2 cents on this. Since most of these mileage was highway, that's probably the main reason it hasn't seen any lifter lssues. My 2011 yukon xl had no problems and it had 173k on it, when i traded it.
Drive it until the engine blows or the transmission stops and then get a new engine, transmission, suspension or other necessary parts and you will have a new vehicle for less than half of a new vehicle.
I’d like to see some solid data on lifter failures under 100K, under 150k, under 200K and under 250K, and some data for transmission repairs at the same mileages.
A few things about rental cars: they total them out very easily, its not profitable for s car to sit in a repair shop for a long time getting fixed. They also sell them to maximize profit. Many years ago when i worked for a rental company they would pull minivans before labor day as that was the best time to sell them. A company like enterprise has one of the largest fleets in the country and most of the cars are sold at auction, so for certain model cars the chance is high that's its an ex rental.
The key is that it was a fleet vehicle meaning the owner of the vehicle may not have had to pay for all the maintenance on it. Big difference between fleet ownership vs personal
I have 2017 Tahoe LS , 5.3 engine 96,000 km in Canada. What is the engine HR's. ??? Would be interested to see how long engine has been RUN over its lifetime ?
This somewhat reinforces what I was already thinking. The idea is that time kills reliability, but if you get it new and just drive the crap out of it a short amount of time, it will still age less overall. it has taken me 23 years to rack up 265k miles on a one owner vehicle, still reliable based on my experience with it., just not worth a whole lot and certainly can't replace what it is for the Kbb value.
Always buy new and give it back before the warranty is up ..."ok buddy that's a big waste of money, you'll never retire and your kid's aren't really your's".....
Reliability? I have 2010 toyota venza and it has a vvti issue. it will cost me about 3k to 5k to fix it. and i had 2005 dodge durango and its traini failed at 95k. so, i don't know what to believe.
Agreed, the manufacturers test new vehicles for 1 million miles on rollers and actual driving, not the same as the guy that drives a car everyday for 10 years.
I have a 2016 Yukon XL SLT. At 102k miles I had to replace the transmission which sucked but they are known for tranny issues. The rest of the Yukon sounds like it's bullet proof
Always a big debate: to buy a used rental/fleet vehicle. On the one hand, you have the knowledge that it was driven like it was stolen with no care for proper operation. Long idles, severe stop/starts, curb and speed bump impacts. On the other hand, it was very well maintained and if any of those "bad driving " habits caused damage, it would have been repaired. And if the high miles reduce the value by $20K as stated, that will cover the high dollar future repairs. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a high-end fleet vehicle like this as the type of person who could afford renting it, probably didn't abuse it. The rental pick-ups are probably the best. The bottom end rental like a Corolla? Yeah, I'll pass.
yep, but the question is what's next? Let's say you buy it, drive it for a year or two and then want to move it. Now you're selling a car with rental+private history, meaning the worst of both worlds. Who's gonna buy it from you? I wouldn't...
I did F&I at a GM dealership for three years and that experience completely turned me off from buying anything GM from then forward. I've seen multiple vehicles drop transmissions before 30k miles and brand new 5.3s drop valves below 500 miles. A local dealer has an $80,000 Yukon Denali that puked a transmission at 1,800 miles.
It really depends on the rental company. I’ve worked for two different rental companies Enterprise and Hertz and Enterprise takes far better care of their fleet than Hertz. I’ve seen Hertz do so very questionable things with their vehicles.
Most cars usually last a long time when they're used for livery or delivery service because the engine is kept at operating temperature for much longer durations than the average commuter vehicle, resulting in fewer heat cycles and therefore less thermal expansion and contraction when an engine sees most of its wear and tear. There's a lady who is a parts runner who put 1 million miles on her Hyundai Elantra. Hyundai featured her story and gave her a new Elantra for free.
I never thought I would see the day a Hyundai Elantra reached 1 million miles.😂
I saw that story.
Thank you for commenting that. Never thought of it that way.
it's all about heat cycles. most wear and tear is from cold starts and stop and go traffic. @@robs7527
I believe this was the case with the 1 million mile Tundra as well, he drove the thing all day, everyday, and basically only shut it off to go to the bathroom or put gas in it.
I have 2017 Yukon Denali. I deleted the AMF. Bought new. Awesome driving experience with 420 hp. I added Borla GM exhaust. I'm 67 years of age and love driving every mile. I get 25.4 mpg at 77 mph. 3 hr. drive. Change oil every 4,500 miles. I have no doubt should last at least 250 000.
I too I have a 17 Denali with Borla exhaust. I think about trading it in, then I start her up, and am NAAH! 😂
My coworker here in the oilfield here in Texas has a 2020 trail boss with a 6.2 L in it rep purchased in October 2019, I just walked over and looked at it to see how many miles was on it it shows 323k miles as of 1p.m. Today.
The only issue he says happened when it was under warranty and about 5000 miles they put an air conditioner compressor on it and about three weeks ago at 319,000 miles he had to put an alternator on it other than that it's just gas and go every day 350 miles, about 82,000 miles a year.
I have the exact truck he has with the 6.2 but mine is a 2022 model it likes a few days being two years old and mine sits at 168,000 miles on it right now and not a single dollar spent on it mechanically.
Changing the oil often enough is the biggest factor when it comes to lifters. I work with a bunch of guys with 2014 and newer GM trucks and none of them have had a lifter problem but they change their oil like old timers... every 3k miles.
The oil feild really knows how fast these crapboxes wear out. They beat em up
With that level of "extreme" high mileage one has to believe the vast majority of them were highway miles and very little stop & go city driving. This is far easier on a vehicle than typical commuter-style city driving so I think I'd have one like this in a heartbeat given the price point.
you would think the dod would’ve failed because it’s mostly used in highway driving
@@guamazolopez6456 I don't think the dod would be switching modes nearly as much when cruising on the highway versus driving around town.
@@guamazolopez6456 AFM (DoD) has issues primarily when the oil isn't changed often enough. It has little to do with highway vs city driving. These engines need 3k to 5k (MAX) oil change intervals. If the engine sees a lot of cold weather short trips, it should be changed every 3k miles if possible. The transmissions need the external trans cooler bypass valve updated to the new lower temperature setting, which will extend the live of the torque converter and transmission. These vehicles are solid if properly maintained.
Very true. Short trips where it can't get up to proper operating temperatures and city driving is harsh on the car.
@@guamazolopez6456 I have a 2012 Yukon SLT with 212k miles. I use an AFM disabler which came with it when I bought it from the previous owner. I also use Motor Medic Motor Flush before every synthetic oil change. It burns no oil at all, no knocks or taps, no V4 mode. Still runs smooth & strong. Biggest problems I've had were the throttle body & MAF sensors & had to replace the intake gasket. I think the AFM/DoD lifter collapse problem is largely a result of extended time between oil changes and build-up of sludge - thus why I use the Motor Flush. It definitely helps keep it running with proper oil pressure.
I have 298k miles on my '06 Tahoe. Still going strong. Mechanic said I should be able to hit 400k. I'd buy that Yukon in a heartbeat!
Queue the "What oil did you use?" comments. lol.
Seriously, that's quite the accomplishment.
What kind of maintenance regiment did you do to get there?
I bought the vehicle last summer. It had 280k on it. It was previously owned by a guy who kept meticulus records on it. All original 2WD. Got it for $2.5k. Drove from NM to RI and back week after I bought it.
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@@tonycj7860 It's usually 3k mile oil. As in use whatever oil is cheap, just make sure it's changed every 3k miles.
My mom's 08 suburban has 360k on it, she put in a new transmission at around 280k, but everything else has been good. Well actually a new Transfer case too, the electronic switch malfunctioned and was putting it in 4x4, which the tranny builder said was pretty common.
Anecdotal experience alone shouldn’t be your reason for a conclusion. I’m not saying you’re wrong but rather you’re potentially falling into a logical fallacy.
Here’s to another 300k miles on your ‘06 Tahoe!
I have a 2008 Escalade 530k mi, these things are TANKS. I've seen Yukons, Tahoes, etc with over 400k miles on them. They're awesome!
Wow, 530k! That's phenomenal. My '12 Yukon is short of half that many, hopefully she'll keep on rolling like your Escalade.
How many overhauls though? I mean the thing aint toyota and is a gm at tge end of the day
Probably none if it has been excellently maintained....
Miles vs Age. It’s an interesting topic. But more interestingly, how did Brendon’s microphone wind sock handle a 30mph gust? That was incredible.
Its the beard man, Brendon is the ZZ top Santa Claus of used cars.
Good to see these newer GM trucks lasting as long as the GMT800s. Pretty soon I might have to go newer to avoid rust
I've purchased my last 2 SUV's that were previous rental cars. They both had under 20k miles on them. The one I gave my son only has 15k over 4 years and the one I drive daily has over 100k in 3 years of service. Get what you need and keep your maintenance done and you're good to go 😊
high mileage fleet vehicles get that way by being reliable. I purchased a 2011 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost in 2015 for $10k with 140k miles, still have it with 250k miles. Excellent vehicle.
That sounds like a good deal but that generation f150 rusted its balls off. Be careful to check the frame for structural integrity.
I met both very happy 3.5 owners and some going backwards, one also 2011 put 200k no issues, another has recent new one and is doing second cam phasers replacement before 70k, I rented Navigator once by accident and it sure was pretty fun
i'm interested in purchasing a 2013 F-150, so this is good news
Exactly, ecoboost motors are very reliable for the most part. People just like to blow things out of proportion and find ones that were abused to claim they're bad motors.
The first year 3.5 Ecoboost was the best year since they used the better quality roller style timing chain. Stupid that they switched to the silent style chain and starting having timing chain stretch.
Me and my family have always had GM vehicles and not one has had a major problem… They still make pretty good vehicles today, especially when compared to the competition!
I think Brenden is a great addition to your channel and love the episodes where you go through the auction lot.
I once bought a ram 1500 that was one year old with 90,000 miles. I think vehicles that stay on the road fare better than sporadic short driven vehicles.
Any time now you'll be getting your Hemi tick. Just get it fixed within 30,000 miles once you hear it and you'll be able to save the motor. Start saving now because the repair is over $4,000 now thanks to Bidenflation.
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I had the 3.6 pentastar
@@SuperSnakePlissken Usually when the HEMI tick happens the damage is already done. The roller lifters eat the cam when it happens. Exhaust manifold tick is more common though.
Remember when we could talk about cars on the internet without politics. Pepperidge Farm remembers. @@SuperSnakePlissken
I’ve had a Suburban, 2 Yukons, and an Escalade. All very high mileage while I owned them and they have all been super reliable. Great vehicles. Driving an’23 Yukon now with 32k on it and I think it’s my forever vehicle.
Had an 08 Yukon that went to car heaven at 270k miles last month. Head gasket blew, which blew the radiator. It’s a case in which I didn’t know the warning signs and had I done my due diligence could have maybe prolonged its life. It was a beast though. Shoot, it still ran with the blown head and radiator…obviously not safely, but shit, it ran.
My mom is still driving her 08 suburban with 360k miles, her previous car was an 04 Yukon that is sitting now, main seal is going out, but it can still drive short distances. The Yukon has around 320k. My family has had good luck with these suvs.
The saying " A GMC will run longer than most cars run at all" seems to hold true here. Impressive number of miles though.
I have an 07 Suburban LTZ with 180k. I love it and I see 2015 Yukon XL SLT for $15999 but it has 197k. Maybe I could talk them down. It is so beautiful. Any advice?
The biggest roll of the dice is whether the livery service maintained it regularly, especially keeping up with all the fluid changes per the manufacturer’s schedule.
Great video! I love these vehicles and have one, a 6.2l version. They are bullet proof, perfect for families and active people who need space, and perfect for long road trips.
* My 6.2 with 20k and a lifter failure would like to have a chat * 😭😭
@@KangXero presumably it was under warranty and got taken care of for free, minus the hassle of taking it in?
@@KangXero Sucks for you but for every guy that chimes in with "I had a lifter failure" there's a dozen that say they haven't. sht i work with a ton of guys with 2014+ GM trucks and there are a bunch with over 200k miles, not a single lifter failure. They've had issues like the AC condensor leaking but no lifter problems. They're all old timers that change their oil every 3 or 4k miles though. Amazing what taking care of your vehicle can do for you.
Cars love to be driven. As long as the maintenance is done and parts are replaced when they should be this is exactly how a quality vehicle should be like with that many miles on it.
That's the point of the car haha. People are so hung up on "not putting miles" on their cars because they won't get the returns they look for. But that's not what cars are for unless it's an exclusive car
Great video TFL crew and what a great find. I seen dozens of them so it shows these SUVs are reliable.
I maybe the only person who heavily supports the cylinder deactivation and auto start/stop features because they truly do work on fuel economy efficiency. I am a huge GM car fan and will always be. I maybe biased, but I’m telling you with my experience, these systems from GM truly do work on efficiency and as long every owner keeps up on maintenance, these engines will be more reliable than the crap from Toyota or Honda. Fords have always been crap.
I owned 2 Chevrolet Silverados, 2014 with AFM and over 184,000 miles and 2020 with DFM, auto start/stop, and 8 spd auto(currently owning right now and have over 146,000 miles), and both have been absolutely reliable trucks. Routine inspection every time I go in for an oil change. If something major needs to be fixed, I get it done. I driven both trucks for deliveries and ride share as for my jobs and never had let me down.
All cars and trucks can be reliable if you keep up with maintenance.
What I believe what people keep saying about GMs engines being unreliable with lifter issues and such obviously don’t care about maintenance and being really rough on their trucks. Don’t what others say about their experience or such, I’ll stand by with my opinion.
I've got a 03 Chevy SUV at 323k miles. It's now a game to see how long and far it lives.
I would love to see a suburban/Yukon series. Maybe having different years compared off road Or a road trip maybe.
I had a 2007 Tahoe from 2018 to 2022. Bought with 180k, sold with 230k and running strong. I put a ton of parts on that thing.
that’s wat I’m looking to get at the moment..a 2007 to 2013 Chevy Tahoe or Suburban..I heard you can get a very reliable one for about 8K to 10K..
how much did maintenance and repairs cost you every year on avg?
@@mujjuman Oh boy, I did not keep tract of it that closely. Anytime it broke, I fixed it. I prob had 3-4k worth of parts into it over the 4 years I owned it. I did everything myself including rebuilding the rear end when I first bought it. I bought it with a blown rear end at a discount.
@@mph5896 wow nice. It definitely helps to be able to work on your own car/truck!
I had a 2018 Suburban from 2020 to 2023. Bought with 37k, sold with 90k and running strong. I put a ton of parts on that thing. I'll never buy another GM product.
Good info...my 2018 Yukon is at 113k and running great. The tpms tire batteries are failing and it has a new water pump. Love it. Thanks for posting.
After reading some of these comments, I'm surprised at the number of people that think every rental car is being driven like it was stolen. I've rented dozens of cars and always drove them like I do my own cars. I've also ridden in dozens more rental cars with business associates, and they always drove normally as well. Maybe it depends on the area of the country people are from?
Most car rental companies only rent to 25+ year kids thus bypassing most college age kids.
I have. 2002 Yukon with 313k miles. It’s been my everyday truck since 2004. I’ve replace water pump, alternator and starter over the years. Still took it on a 12 hr roadtrip 2 months ago. Still runs strong. 💪🏼
I have a 2016 Suburban LT (essentially the exact same vehicle) and it has been so easy and cheap to own. I DID have to replace the transmission because the previous owner was the state government and it was overloaded and used in a motorcade for years, but absolutely NOTHING else has gone wrong with it at over 200,000 miles. I couldn't be happier with it. It's quiet, super comfortable, safe, and gets great mileage for a vehicle that big.
Heat cycles mean a lot more than milage
As a Black man these are very popular with the younger generation. Often swapped with Denali trim pieces. I actually see quite a few of these well over 100k miles being sold at buy here, pay here lots. The most common issue they nearly all have is coolant leaks, power steering whining, and slipping transmissions.
I do believe maintenance is a big part of longevity. If someone buys a car that they can barely make the payments on, most are willing to skip the maintenance without blinking an eye. Some private owners buy cars and take really good care of their vehicles and get 300k with no issues. My dad had a co-worker with a 1993 Ford Taurus that had over 250k miles with the original engine and transmission, but he was rigorous with his maintenance to the Tee, changed all the fluids, from power steering fluid, coolant, brake fluid, changed rubber components before failure like belts, hoses.
A good reason it has gone the 230k is the fact that the hitch cover is intact -- So the powertrain has never been burdened with hauling.
GM reliability is always a big gamble. Sometimes you’ll roll the dice & have no problems. But your buddy could buy the same model and his is so bad he has to use the lemon law. I don’t like to gamble, so I buy Toyota, Honda & Subaru.
So is Honda@@user-kf7tt2vk6t
I have had 4 GM’s. 2 cars that just ran with no real issues and 2 trucks that were nothing but issues. My 99 Blazer had the 4.3 throw a pushrod through the top end at 23,000 miles then at 31,000 miles the transfer case blew up after an internal failure caused pump rub. My 05 3500 D-Max was back to the dealer 30 times in just over 9 months. Paint failure, steering issue, u-joint, carrier bearing, injector issues, steering wheel controls, ect. Traded it for a F-350 and haven’t looked at GM since!
Subaru isn't reliable. My friend Keith and his wife both owned WRX's and I kid you not, the engines both had failures at the same time.
@@user-kf7tt2vk6t🤣😂naw it’s not
Subaru = 🗑️
My 07 2500 Yukon has 230k on original LY6 & 4L80 - going strong!
Good review and video. If you think about it, the GMT900 is a improved GMT 800 and the K2 which is this, continues the trend. In fact i think the K2 is the pinnacle of the chassis. The oldest ones are coming up on 10 years now and my 17 Suburban with 240k miles is hands down one of the best vehicles i have ever owned. It runs rings around my 04 Suburban which is GMT800. The 17 does not have the issues that the 04 had, bad Transfer case, rusty brake lines, Abs issues and the crap 4l60 E along with a ton of rust. It got good fuel economy but the 17 blows it away. Only thing i had to change on the truck was the battery which is no surprise. One thing GM should never have done with this vehicle was call it the Yukon XL, it gives the impression that its a long wheelbase variant but its not. It should have gotten its own unique name or be kept as the GMC Suburban, there was no need to change the name. The only true K2 that is a LWB is the Escalade ESV as the Escalade came first.
I've bought two former rentals, had them both checked out with trusted local mechanics before making the purchase. My first one was a 2002 Toyota Camry and that thing was bulletproof with zero issues. Got it still under warranty and it just ran and ran for many years. My current one is a 2019 Nissan Armada, only one issue with it was a recall for a low voltage starting issue. I've had it for a few years now and no other issues. Both were/are very solid vehicles. I may be in the minority for having a good experience with former fleet/rental vehicles as I'm sure many others have had bad experiences. I wouldn't hesitate to look at another rental. Great video as always.
My family has a 2016 GMC Yukon XL Denali that we got brand new in 2016. It now has 155,000 miles and has been absolutely flawless. Love this generation of GMC Yukons. Might be my personal favorite generation. Love the 6.2 V8 in our Denali especially. It’s been a great vehicle and we don’t plan on getting rid of it anytime soon.
any transmission issue with the 8speed?
@@supersteve1585 surprisingly no. It’s a little jerky sometimes but it’s done that since it was new and it’s not like real bad. It just is a little jerky when it’s cold. The 10 speed is definitely a better transmission though imo
@@TheRKHCollection what about the afm, had you have any lifter and major oil burning issues?
@@supersteve1585 we have not. All we’ve done to it is just routine maintenance since we got it brand new. We had to replace the front struts a couple years ago but it was already at higher mileage when that happen so that’s not too abnormal but other than that, we haven’t done anything else to it other than routine maintenance
@@TheRKHCollection Yeah i figure for the struts and stuff. but my biggest was the engine and the trans. we have 03 yukon over 200,000 miles, going strong. But the rust is eating it up. We also brought a 07 suburban 160k to replace the yukon but huge oil burning problem which most likey caused by the afm which we sold immediately. We were think if we do buy a yukon 2018+, we just do afm delete which will be time consuming, to avoid the problem altogether. thanks fo your ownership insight.👍
3 of my last 4 vehicles have been rental company vehicles for that exact reason. They’re maintained. They generally have proof of maintenance. Do your due diligence and check the vehicle over for the cosmetic and mechanical damage. If there is none, generally good to go. I’ve had great luck with it.
I have the 2017 Yukon XL-Denali version. The rear hatch issue isn't the struts themselves, it's the "liftgate Strut Actuator Assembly. Since it was noted before I bought it (used in 2022), it was covered under warranty.... instead of the $622 est cost for part & labor. If you know what you are doing, the parts were $375.
As for buying a "rental/livery" vehicle.... I find it usually depends on the cost of said rental. The low budget "beaters" get severely abused and I'd never buy one. However, for the most part, the high-end vehicles get taken care of by the renters.... except for their kids usually trashing the interior during their rental period.
I feel so validated!! I put 260,000 miles on my 99 Suburban before trading it for a 2014 Yukon XL SLT - less than a year old with 24K miles and formerly owned by a rental company. I have 140,000 miles on it now and have only replaced the radiator. The engine and transmission are much better and faster than the earlier truck. I feel no need for the 6.2 and its super unleaded requirement.
Great video guys.
Rental cars no, but commercial fleet yes. Commercial drivers are more professional and have the responsibility to their jobs where as renters won't see that car again
Electronics are solid state and if they haven't failed yet, will probably be fine. Ota updates on electronics are more troublesome because developers are human and can create new unforseen issues with an update. That vehicle probably has no OTA updates and GM stopped developing for it anyway.
Electronics wise this Yukon XL should be more reliable than the newer one even though it still has other failure points that can be costlier - eg: the rear LED lights when they fail and short circuit- many I have seen in Qatar have at least on rear tailight out .
I purchased an ex rental car, a 2021 GMC Terrain SLT, with 70,000 and other than some small cosmetic issues, the car is mechanically sound. It drives perfectly. I saved lots of money versus buying a new one (I always favor used or slightly used over new).
My 2005 Suburban Z71 4x4 is still going with almost 370k miles. I only paid $2,300 for it last year and the best part is, i can enstall another engine 5.3L or 6.0L relatively cheap and it will be better than the new stuff rolling off the lot. I purchased my 2007 GMC Yukon SLT 4x4 for just $2,500 last year with 230k miles and its also going strong and can do same engine swap for cheap, possibly add a 6.2L for cheap. Older trucks have value.
I actually saw one of these on marketplace a while back with 400k miles on it. I had one as a rental in 2018, I absolutely loved driving it.
You admitted there is no service data available, so how do you know that it's been reliable? That's a complete GUESS. For all you know the original engine was replaced with one that had the active fuel management (known major issue) deleted. Same for the transmission. This video is VERY misleading. Next time do some investigation before you publish these unsubstantiated opinions.
True but I also have a Yukon 2015 has almost 250k miles on it, if you keep well maintained it’ll last you just main issues I have with this car is the touch screen is bugged now and A/C doesn’t work other then that it works very well still 👍 still have all original parts in my car
I have two GMC Trucks.. both bought brand new, 2002 Gmc 1500, has a 437,000mi.. Original engine & trans.. all the front end like ball joints & rod ends ect have been changed 2x, brakes 4x, 1 alternator, 1 water pump, 1 fuel pump.. Thats it.. Its now my beater, and gets used to haul junk or do dirty work like mulch in spring ect.. The second truck is a 2014 GMC 1500 SLT and its got 288k mi.. Had 1 lifter go out under warranty in 2015, but since its been solid.. Only brakes & rotors once, and thats it, it could use some new ball joints & front end work, but I plan to do it at 300k.. Both trucks get oil changes at 4,800-5000mi religiously by me in my garage using GM Oil & Wix Filters..
I get a new Silverado 5.3 every 3 years as I put about 55-65 thousand in a year. Never had any engine problems but transmissions usually only make it til anywhere from 120-150 thousand. If it wasn’t for the transmissions I’d say they’re great.
Wow, it even comes with a full tank of gas! Also, personal experience tells me that 5.3L engine is very robust even with the cylinder deactivation scheme.
As much love as I have for the 5.3, that lifter failure problem can wipe a camshaft out in no time, trashing every bearing in the engine. It's kind of like Russian roulette, where it is dead reliable until it fails catastrophically.
@@Mournful3ch0buddy just had that exact thing happen on his 73,000 mile Denali
@@Mournful3ch0 Only 60 iq mouthbreathers that keep driving with a bad lifter manage to damage their cam. If you're 30 miles from home and keep driving with a lifter bouncing in there, yeah, your dumb *ss will probably damage a cam. Lifters fail when clowns don't change their oil often enough. For every anonymous claim of "I had a lifter fail at xx miles" there are a dozen guys that say they have 100k or 200k miles without a lifter failure. Some dunces on here act like there's a 50/50 chance of a lifter failure in the first 100k miles. If the data actually backed that, GM would have lost a class action lawsuit over it by now. Reality is that GM makes nearly a million small block engines a year with AFM or DFM. Even a 1% failure rate makes it *appear* like all the lifters in all the engines are failing when you sell that many AFM/DFM vehicles.
@@Mournful3ch0 That is if it is badly maintained and neglected as well.
@@toxin7883 What year was it? 2021 , 2015 and 16 had the most issues.
Rule of thumb for highway miles is that 1 highway mile = 1/3 of a city mile, so if this is all highway miles the vehicle has more like 76k on it. You can check for highway miles by finding low wear on brake pedal and seatbelt, tons of dents and bugs in the radiator, and low operating hours relative to mileage
And several windshields - also those annoying small dings in the paint on the bumper, mirrors, headlights, etc. My F150 looks showroom new with 150K, but the front parts look like a lot of wear ...
I bought a 2023 Yukon denali 8 months ago. As i was driving my car it seemed like whenever i stopped at a traffic light. The auto start stop never worked. So I talked to my dealer about it, he said that Dynamic fuel management system come turned off from the factory, which disables the auto start stop as well. I have driven almost 49000km and the 6.2 V8 is running strong and showing impressive fuel economy results.
Reliability vs time= maintenance cycles. I have one of the most unreliable vehicles on the road a 2001 jeep GC limited v8 4.7l 1st gen SOHC with 167k on it. runs smooth as cream pie has never let me down once. I change fluids, replace parts before they break, just like fleet vehicles it boils down to maintenance cycles and how hard the "driver" treats it.
I got a 2018 GMC Yukon and I just got it in July has 32,000 miles on it but lately we’ve been throwing the miles on it. It’s a very nice vehicle very very quiet so far not one issue so I think that Yukons would last several years without problems we also have a 2015 suburban that my mom drives not one issue in the time we own it
hey my 2018 chevy cruze (owned since brand new) has 199k miles and has yet to have a single reliability related issue, the only time it ever had to go in for a repair was a collision repair, a LOT of people refuse to admit gm has gotten to the point they know how to make a good reliable car
Keep the comments coming about rental cars constantly being beat on. It keeps the used prices down. As someone who rents more cars in a month than most people rent in a lifetime, I have found that the vast majority of rental cars go from the airport to a hotel to a jobsite to a hotel (repeat for the length of a job) and then back to an airport. These drivers don't have time to take them to a drag strip or find curbs to drive them over. The only rentals that get routinely abused in my experience are the pony cars, V8 Chargers and the budget cars that only college kids rent (i.e. car names that start with Nissan, Hyundai, or Kia).
Hello. In in1994 I got from Phil long Fotd a 1993 Ranger with 13000 miles! I drove it till I retired in 2003, to work at 43 miles one way , then drove nene more miles, and frturned from conifer Colorado to Minnesota in 2005. In 2001 I gave it to my grandson it to him with over 300,00 miles with most of the original ( execr) tires) factory excerpts equipment. It now nas nearly 230, ooo miles!
In the early days of the pandemic when the rental car companies were dumping their brand new 2019's, it had every option one could get that model year. It was a former rental car out of Florida with 9,000 miles on it. Today it has about 70,000 miles and hasn't had a single issue. Only wear and tear items (oil, oil filter, and tires).
Agree - especially if you stick to average/mid grade models that don't have a bunch of extra stuff to break and you stick to the 5.3 motor.
Should be a $9,000 vehicle with that kind of mileage. The amount of maintenance you're going to be hassled with for the rest of it's life should bring the price down a lot more if you value your time at all.
Miss the buy or bust series on TFLclassics.
GMs interior fit and finish and material quality has drastically improved over the years, and that bodystyle truck and SUV is where the biggest leap was made in my opinion.
The AFM and especially DFM cylinder shutdown technology is not my favorite but changing oil sooner than recommended definitely seems to be the way to minimize the potential for a failure. Now the 2021 model year not withstanding because there clearly was bad parts for a big chunk of the model year.
I remember some of those coming without afm - nice bonus!
The 5.3L AFM / DOD has held up on my 07 Silverado just fine and it gets 17-19 mpg which is about the same as the new 2.7L in the full size trucks. I’d almost say the gas savings would pay for new lifters even if they did go bad!
@@Trek2539 I think those were in the trucks.
I have a 5.3l in my express van and it's solid as heck with 171k on it
The list of vehicles most likely to make it past 300,000 miles is a bunch of full-size trucks and the Toyota Prius, basically the vehicles most likely to be "hot-seated" in commercial fleets.
The full size trucks/SUVs are also designed to withstand commercial use and then get used as family vehicles.
@@TheNotimprezed And for a long time almost every minivan had a rep for weak transmissions for exactly the opposite reason.
I like the reliability myth that is skewed towards Toyotas, it keeps the market low on the models that I want to buy that have secret reliability.
I’ve said this forever! I’m glad this suckers are willing to pay 5-10k more for a Honda or Toyota cause that keeps the cars I like cheap 🤣
I got a 2016 gmc sierra I got brand new with 6 miles I got over 193k on it now and it never missed a beat
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As long as the oil is changed regularly the cylinder de-activation is not that unreliable. You see loads for sale with 200000+ miles. Just look after your car!!
This is key point that I think a lot of people don’t get. Don’t chance your oil at manufacturer recommendations. I do mine at the 50% mark on my 5.3L which usually works out to be around 6000km
Cool that these modern SUVs offered the columns shifter. Wish they just kept it for 2021+
Idk why they are surprised about a high millage GM truck/SUV. This platform has been out since 2014, and regularly goes over 200-300k with very minimal repairs. Same with Ford F-150/Expeditions. Most engine/transmission issues with these year trucks were taken care of under warranty. With a tune/deactivation device, these motors have proven to be extremely reliable. The people who have issues with these trucks are the ones who don't do the recommended modifications and service
Not all vehicles at the auction are bad, but all bad vehicles go to the auction.
These kinds of vehicles are generally owned by companies who have strict schedules for maintenance. Even if this SUV was rented to the public, I think it would be more like a family going to the national parks compared to flooring it and curbing everywhere.
I bought 2 tahoes over the years from ex rental car fleets so far.. I've had great luck. just what you said.. this is going to be a family car from the airport, I don't think I would buy an ex rental car Camaro though
I can almost guarantee that transmission has been replaced. Those 6 speeds in that generation 1500/suburban is known for torque converters taking out the transmission. I don’t know anyone that made it to 200k on the original transmission in that body style. Most people started having issues around 100k
My wife's yukon just dropped a lifter at 100k miles, thanks GM!, I'll "fix" it and thank the aftermarket for the longevity of her yukon.
Wonder what the idle hours are
Another interesting thing. Just because a car has 230k doesn't mean it was reliable or trouble free. Did the AFM/DOD lifters need to be replaced? Transmission rebuilt etc? Any car can last any amount of time if it is maintained and repairs are made. Question is, did it need any major repairs?
I have a 2007 Pontiac Grand Prix GT with a supercharged 3800 series 3 engine it has 196,000 miles and is still running strong it’s at the shop getting an oil change and a few parts that need to be replaced because the originals are worn
but W body cars and Pontiacs with 3800 in general are very reliable if u take care of them
The 3800 series is truly a bulletproof engine. What you have to look out for is the transmission. They are made out of glass essentially.
@@jwjones91 my car has the HD transmission for the supercharged 3800 series 3 v6 and it was rebuilt to be bulletproof on top of it being HD
I still have a 2004 that has been badly abused and neglected. I’m talking racing way over due oil changes. Running it without oil. Still running good with 350k on it. I haven’t heard the same after they started doing that cylinder shutoff system thing.
2020 had active fuel management so I’m impressive there wasn’t lifter failure. Show me 2021 and later that now has dynamic fuel management and awful annoying stop/start.
I drive a 2019 Yukon 6.2L and i love it😊
Well I have 23 denali, i talked to my dealer its seems like they have turned off DFM from the factory itself, which also disables the Auto start stop. I have 49000 km and running very strong.
I'll give my 2 cents on this. Since most of these mileage was highway, that's probably the main reason it hasn't seen any lifter lssues. My 2011 yukon xl had no problems and it had 173k on it, when i traded it.
Drive it until the engine blows or the transmission stops and then get a new engine, transmission, suspension or other necessary parts and you will have a new vehicle for less than half of a new vehicle.
I’d like to see some solid data on lifter failures under 100K, under 150k, under 200K and under 250K, and some data for transmission repairs at the same mileages.
A few things about rental cars: they total them out very easily, its not profitable for s car to sit in a repair shop for a long time getting fixed. They also sell them to maximize profit. Many years ago when i worked for a rental company they would pull minivans before labor day as that was the best time to sell them. A company like enterprise has one of the largest fleets in the country and most of the cars are sold at auction, so for certain model cars the chance is high that's its an ex rental.
The key is that it was a fleet vehicle meaning the owner of the vehicle may not have had to pay for all the maintenance on it. Big difference between fleet ownership vs personal
We have and old 2017 Yukon rental other that the AC condenser it has served us well so far 93xxx miles
Reliability and longevity are two VERY different things.
I have 2017 Tahoe LS , 5.3 engine 96,000 km in Canada.
What is the engine HR's. ???
Would be interested to see how long engine has been RUN over its lifetime ?
This somewhat reinforces what I was already thinking. The idea is that time kills reliability, but if you get it new and just drive the crap out of it a short amount of time, it will still age less overall. it has taken me 23 years to rack up 265k miles on a one owner vehicle, still reliable based on my experience with it., just not worth a whole lot and certainly can't replace what it is for the Kbb value.
Good info! Fun to see that car
Airport shuttle vehicle? good idea
Hertz rental? bad idea
lol
My 25 year old Yukon only has 158k miles currently meanwhile my 2011 Yukon Denali only has 107k. I will never achieve 230k in any vehicle I own.
Always buy new and give it back before the warranty is up ..."ok buddy that's a big waste of money, you'll never retire and your kid's aren't really your's".....
Id be curious what the idle time is
2020 was the last model year for the Yukon generation so it was the most reliable before they redesigned it. My 2008 gmc Sierra has 260,000 miles
Reliability? I have 2010 toyota venza and it has a vvti issue. it will cost me about 3k to 5k to fix it. and i had 2005 dodge durango and its traini failed at 95k. so, i don't know what to believe.
im a firm believer in age of the vehicle is more of a detriment than miles as long as a vehicle is maintained properly itll last a long time
Agreed, the manufacturers test new vehicles for 1 million miles on rollers and actual driving, not the same as the guy that drives a car everyday for 10 years.
I have a 2016 Yukon XL SLT. At 102k miles I had to replace the transmission which sucked but they are known for tranny issues. The rest of the Yukon sounds like it's bullet proof
6 speed or 8 speed? 6 speeds are known to have the TC break and take out the transmission.
Always a big debate: to buy a used rental/fleet vehicle. On the one hand, you have the knowledge that it was driven like it was stolen with no care for proper operation. Long idles, severe stop/starts, curb and speed bump impacts. On the other hand, it was very well maintained and if any of those "bad driving " habits caused damage, it would have been repaired. And if the high miles reduce the value by $20K as stated, that will cover the high dollar future repairs. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a high-end fleet vehicle like this as the type of person who could afford renting it, probably didn't abuse it. The rental pick-ups are probably the best. The bottom end rental like a Corolla? Yeah, I'll pass.
yep, but the question is what's next? Let's say you buy it, drive it for a year or two and then want to move it. Now you're selling a car with rental+private history, meaning the worst of both worlds. Who's gonna buy it from you? I wouldn't...
@@LukeZak That's fine but there's a market for everything. Rather lose 50% of value on a $17K truck than 50% of a $40K truck.
@@Dusdaddy that’s a good point as well
I have been told that idle time is important or even more then milage on trucks and suvs.
With fast and high daily miles, you can get by with murder on maintenance, short of running something dry.
The fourth generation wasn’t bad. But compared to the third and second generation, the reliability suffered.
I did F&I at a GM dealership for three years and that experience completely turned me off from buying anything GM from then forward. I've seen multiple vehicles drop transmissions before 30k miles and brand new 5.3s drop valves below 500 miles. A local dealer has an $80,000 Yukon Denali that puked a transmission at 1,800 miles.
It really depends on the rental company. I’ve worked for two different rental companies Enterprise and Hertz and Enterprise takes far better care of their fleet than Hertz. I’ve seen Hertz do so very questionable things with their vehicles.
bought a 2017 1 owner 180k miles 4runner 7 months ago. 55 service records on it.
Im much more interested in a new car with higher miles than a old car with low mileage
The rental car company probably sold it after a year because COVID hit and all the rental car companies had massive overstock.
The rear hatch actuator costs 170 oem and is pretty easy to install