Sacco & Vanzetti: Murderers Or Scapegoats?

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  • @maureentuohy9423
    @maureentuohy9423 3 года назад +193

    In 1921 my Sicilian Grandmother, along with her unborn baby, was killed by a bomb explosion. This left my 3 year old mother and her 5 brothers and sisters without a mother. The bomb was thrown into my grandfather's bakery because he wouldn't pay protection money. The 1920’s we're a very dangerous time to be an Italian immigrant.

    • @zampieritto
      @zampieritto 3 года назад +9

      Also during the WW2. Just by 1975 when the Italians started get educated and turned into middle class they let them alone.

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +8

      The biggest pogrom against Italian and Siclian immigrants occurred in New Orleans in the 1880s, I think; some of the Italians there were lynched by integrated mobs. The 1920s merely followed in that pattern. A town in Pennsylvania and another in Ohio had its Italian immigrants run out of town.

    • @Houston343
      @Houston343 2 года назад +6

      Protection money to be paid to who? Other Italians? Italians in America have a wonderful legacy. From Guliani to Dan Marino to Vinny Barbarino. Italian Americans are just Americans.

    • @scallopohare9431
      @scallopohare9431 2 года назад

      That money went to other Italians.

    • @keyos1955
      @keyos1955 2 года назад +2

      @@Houston343 When almost your entire culture is based on Italian immigrants I would pay more respect to them. Italian Americans are Americans, yeah, but the ones that leaded your country due to their past heritage

  • @heatherr0420
    @heatherr0420 2 года назад +25

    And 95 years later after their execution, not much has changed sadly

  • @mancheezethegreat8617
    @mancheezethegreat8617 3 года назад +123

    My Italian family were 20's immigrants and my grandmother still has my Great grandfather's documents and the English learning lesson books he was given with his handwriting in the margins.

    • @lf1496
      @lf1496 3 года назад +12

      www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html
      The article above is about the Racism Italians experienced coming to America. They were not considered wt at first. They were lynched and even not allowed to marry wt people in the South, being Segregated and marrying black people. They were actually listed as BLACK on the early Censuses. My husband is Sicilian Roman we live in Rome but his family in America did some research, finding out their great grandfather was listed as Black in New Orleans. He married a local black woman, who on the census was listed as "Mulata." When they moved to New York 10 years later they were both listed as wt😂 America is crazy obsessed with blackness, it's nuts🙄

    • @leebowens2631
      @leebowens2631 3 года назад +3

      @@lf1496 Your comment is the most interesting I've read.

    • @zampieritto
      @zampieritto 3 года назад +1

      @@lf1496 to many WASPs. Poor of them, the Italians suffered a lot in that cruel nation.

    • @fattyginsberg4977
      @fattyginsberg4977 3 года назад +1

      So what?

    • @Hack_The_Planet_
      @Hack_The_Planet_ 3 года назад +1

      @@lf1496 you plugged an opinion piece lol

  • @qazifaran
    @qazifaran 2 года назад +25

    "This agony is our triumph"

  • @DJKronikCam710
    @DJKronikCam710 7 месяцев назад +7

    My great grandfather on my dads and grandmas side of the family was one of Bartolomeo Vanzetti's best friends, Antonio Savillo. Before "Grandpa Ant" passed, god rest his soul, he would go on and on about the whole Sacco/ Vanzetti situation, i remember him saying the whole this is a conspiracy, a sham, and that he couldn't speak for sacco but he said something about Vanzetti not even being there, let alone a "terrorist" or an "anarchist" not to mention he was just overall a really nice, down to earth and great guy, and instead was used as a "face" to place the blame on while the government pulled the whole thing off themselves, he didn't know what the governments reasoning was for it, he thought it was just a way to make people hate Italian immigrants (as history shows, the government is ALWAYS trying to get one type of people hate another, African Americans, italians, middle easterners, Mexicans and so on) but mind you, my great grandpa passed away when i was 13 and im 34 now so the details are definitely fuzzy lol

  • @zero_bs_tolerance8646
    @zero_bs_tolerance8646 3 года назад +108

    They should have gotten a new trial but that judge already made up his mind. Shameful.
    Thanks for the upload and Happy New Year!

    • @Theywaswrong
      @Theywaswrong 3 года назад

      "Shameful". How funny....on a leftist finds it shameful. Were you there? One guy on this video says it so you believe it?

    • @zero_bs_tolerance8646
      @zero_bs_tolerance8646 3 года назад +15

      @@Theywaswrong Shaddap.

    • @Marco-1997
      @Marco-1997 3 года назад +16

      @@Theywaswrong except they were proven innocent after and their execution was just to eliminate a political threat ignoring clues, common sense and testimony

    • @eagyinjection
      @eagyinjection 3 года назад +2

      that judge should have been executed for sending to death 2 people with no confirmed evidence to convict them of murder

    • @Malcolm.Y
      @Malcolm.Y 3 года назад

      I have always been drawn to the documentaries of famous and infamous trials. It is hard to find any not politically contaminated. And one can start with the trial of Jesus. The judge notes there is no evidence of sedition - and then someone warns him about the "optics," of how this might look from a thousand miles away to the Emperor. Then, the judge agrees to execute an innocent man.

  • @ZacharyOsterman
    @ZacharyOsterman 2 года назад +51

    Hideo Kojima brought me here. Joking aside, I can't speak to their innocence or guilt. I wasn't there and it wouldn't be fair to try to insert myself. What I can say though is that their rights were violated egregiously.

    • @painkeller20
      @painkeller20 2 года назад +5

      Yah me too.... Hideo kojima also brought me here... The more i learn about his idea that more i get shocked by his mind...

    • @TheRedRaven_
      @TheRedRaven_ Год назад +15

      Ironic a Japanese man taught you American history more than America could ever muster in a classroom, and albeit by a videogame.

    • @ZacharyOsterman
      @ZacharyOsterman Год назад +5

      @𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐑𝐞𝐝𝐑𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧 yeah, our education system is biased and wants to paint the best picture possible but in the end hurts the culture live in.

    • @XLGeniusXL
      @XLGeniusXL 4 месяца назад

      Same!

    • @ncrtrooper3953
      @ncrtrooper3953 Месяц назад

      same

  • @marks1638
    @marks1638 3 года назад +39

    Many years ago I watched a mock trail sanctioned by the State of Massachusetts for Sacco and Vanzetti using the actual evidence available (including the bullets from Sacco's gun). While by modern standards much of the evidence would not meet scientific standards, except for the firearms ballistics (which turned out to be well done, even by today's standards). It was considered enough to convict them in the mock trial based on the evidence standards of the modern Massachusetts. However in a follow up appeal the case would have been overturned for retrial due to the behavior of the original Judge. It remains a controversial case and I don't think the verdict (right or wrong) will ever satisfy anyone.

    • @janverboven
      @janverboven 3 года назад

      Is it on public video - link please - otherwise your blowing a fart.

    • @scallopohare9431
      @scallopohare9431 2 года назад +8

      @@janverboven OR, you could do your own search. Apparently, you would rather be nasty, including your language.

  • @JohnnyAngel8
    @JohnnyAngel8 3 года назад +8

    I recalled that Governor Michael Dukakis issued "something" about these two men, like a pardon. However, it was not a pardon but a proclamation after a review of the case by the Office of The Governor's Legal Counsel.
    From Wikipedia:
    "Based on recommendations of the Office of Legal Counsel, Dukakis declared August 23, 1977, the 50th anniversary of their execution, as Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti Memorial Day. His proclamation, issued in English and Italian, stated that Sacco and Vanzetti had been unfairly tried and convicted and that "any disgrace should be forever removed from their names." He did not pardon them, because that would imply they were guilty. Neither did he assert their innocence."

  • @hernameistiffaney8181
    @hernameistiffaney8181 3 года назад +26

    This was the case that made my home state sack capital punishment, if I'm not mistaken.

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +1

      Probably, says someone who's lived here for all my 53 years. Good show Governor Dukakis pardoned them in 1977. There is also an S&V Memorial Day in this state, though I forget the date.

    • @Houston343
      @Houston343 2 года назад

      What was your home state?

  • @kyleflounder9783
    @kyleflounder9783 3 года назад +59

    Funny enough this case was on my history final! It was the only part of the final I did somewhat well on 😂
    I liked the perspective you brought in, as it felt well researched. I've seen this case being knocked around online lately after some recent federal executions. so it's interesting to see it tying to today's society even almost 100 years later.

    • @Anarquistas1
      @Anarquistas1 3 года назад

      ruclips.net/p/PLygqavJysUHJhpSxXn2jf2QqZp9Bic_ef

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +1

      Having read a few books on the subject, I find his knowledge, if we can excuse ourselves and call it that, deeply and almost fatally flawed. But don't mind me; I'm just a "leftie" who's lived in the state where this all happened.

    • @darkcoeficient
      @darkcoeficient Год назад +2

      @@stephenwright8824 flawed how?

  • @joebikeguy6669
    @joebikeguy6669 2 года назад +12

    Quite a few years ago I became interested in the S&V case and did a lot of research/reading about it. I have to say you did a really nice job condensing and explaining a very complicated situation in just twelve minutes. One thing I remember was that the judge in the S&V case may have been unfairly accused of ethnic prejudice. For example, not allowing a retrial in the face of "new" evidence is still common to this day. As I recall (memory can be a tricky thing) he had not been accused of that prior to this trial. There is a big trial right now where the judge is being accused of all sorts of legal and ethical impropriety. This tends to be a tactic of the side for whom the trial is not going well. BTW, I was of the belief that Sacco was guilty and Vanzetti was not. Anyway, really nice writing and editing.

  • @Theywaswrong
    @Theywaswrong 3 года назад +9

    Today they would have been charged under the RICO act, criminals acting as part of a criminal organization.

    • @victordejung5675
      @victordejung5675 3 года назад +1

      Yeah but the government allows them to operate their criminal empire, that’s why America loves glorify these criminals

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +7

      @@victordejung5675 THEY WEREN'T CRIMINALS! THE GLARING HOLES IN THIS RUclipsR'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE CASE CREATED THAT MISCONCEPTION.

  • @dakotakelly2434
    @dakotakelly2434 3 месяца назад +5

    “Vanzetti was found concealing a revolver of the same make and model, a .38 caliber nickle-plated Harrington & Richardson revolver, that was carried by the guard who was killed in the Braintree murder. The guard’s revolver wasn’t recovered at the scene and was suspected to have been taken off his body by the robbers. Vanzetti was also carrying 4 shotgun shells that matched those recovered at the Bridgewater crime scene, though no shotgun was found and he didn’t appear to own a shotgun.”
    They were both guilty

  • @snarla99
    @snarla99 3 года назад +16

    I find your channel fascinating. Would you consider doing a piece on the US Eugenics movement in the '20s, or on a more narrow point, the Carrie Buck case. Thanks!!

  • @cryptoorgie
    @cryptoorgie 18 дней назад +1

    Here's to you, Nicola and Bart
    Rest forever here in our hearts
    The last and final moment is yours
    That agony is your triumph.

  • @stevensiferd7104
    @stevensiferd7104 3 года назад +6

    I'd like to suggest another subject for you -- the Centralia Massacre in Centralia, Washington. Although it occurred a few weeks before the 1920s began, it did help set the tone for the first Red Scare in the 1920s.

  • @SkipSpotter
    @SkipSpotter 3 года назад +15

    Just wanted to say that your channel is without any doubt the best history channel, dedicated to the 20s era I've come across. Your regular chapters are very polished and professionally created, & I look forward to each uploaded program. Best regards.

  • @ruthm.6071
    @ruthm.6071 Год назад +4

    I have heard the name of Sacco and Vanzetti all my life (60+ years). I never knew the facts of their case until I saw your video.
    In fact I always thought that the case was based on some sort of fraud/financial scam. How completely wrong l was .
    Thanks for the information. Keep teaching us more about the dynamic decade of the 1920's .

  • @robertrhodessr3664
    @robertrhodessr3664 3 года назад +16

    Thank you for this interesting presentation, altho it almost sounds like something in today's news, with the same "actors" being the loudest voices of discontent.

  • @sherirobinson5112
    @sherirobinson5112 3 года назад +4

    You are definitely correct. It does continue to this day.

  • @fernandoacuna1471
    @fernandoacuna1471 2 года назад +4

    It was nothing more than a political trial

    • @markchambers3833
      @markchambers3833 Год назад

      They certainly didn't receive a fair trial. However, modern ballistic tests have shown beyond doubt that Sacco's personal firearm was the murder weapon so let's shed no tears for him. For all that he was denied a fair trial, he was guilty as charged.
      Given a fair trial, Vanzetti would likely have been acquitted due to lack of evidence. That's not to say he wasn't involved. The circumstantial evidence against him doesn't exactly leave him smelling of roses.

  • @darkcoeficient
    @darkcoeficient Год назад +2

    They were probably guilty of something but not of what they were accused of.

  • @christophertanner7757
    @christophertanner7757 3 года назад +10

    Rip Sacco and Vanzetti 🏴

  • @philbydoodle6199
    @philbydoodle6199 3 года назад +5

    Kurt Vonnegut wrote about these guys often,I miss his writing

  • @joeywall4657
    @joeywall4657 3 года назад +5

    This is a brilliant summary, dude! Excellent work! We think things have changed so much. We think we've come so far. There's no such thing as a brand new or unprecedented political or social event. It's all the same old shit. You only have to look at this example to see that.

  • @ashleysacco5401
    @ashleysacco5401 2 года назад +5

    Hey sacco is my family and I still have his records.

    • @markmilan8365
      @markmilan8365 Год назад +1

      Sarei onorato di portare il suo cognome.

    • @atlasgunther8947
      @atlasgunther8947 27 дней назад

      he was a very powerful spirit RIP ... if he did it, he was under demonic attack I'm sure of it

    • @annamariapeli6025
      @annamariapeli6025 6 дней назад

      Sappi che in Italia Nicola Sacco e Bartolomeo Vanzetti sono ricordati come dei martiri. Sii sempre fiero di lui

  • @real_szop4692
    @real_szop4692 7 месяцев назад +2

    To think I got here because of a song in metal gear solid

    • @akronim725
      @akronim725 4 месяца назад

      I'm glad im not the only one here because of ground zeroes

  • @ohmeowzer1
    @ohmeowzer1 3 года назад +4

    Never heard of this..very interesting thank you..love your channel.. well-researched video..please do more of these

  • @jackmessick2869
    @jackmessick2869 3 года назад +17

    Their attorney said in a letter to author Upton Sinclair (who was also a failed candidate for Governor of California on the Socialist Party ticket later, so he was a supporter of the same causes as Sacco and Vanzetti) that they were guilty.

    • @Houston343
      @Houston343 2 года назад

      Did this author not know this?

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +4

      From what I've read, no attorney (except Fred Moore, who was *fired* from the case) thought the men were guilty. And author Robert Russell had his head up his arse w re Sacco & Vanzetti. The reason Russell agreed with Moore w re Sacco was because Dante Sacco, Nicola Sacco's son, never appeared in public to admit that his father was guilty. Is not wanting to talk about it because one wants to move on from the loss of one's father any grounds for thinking that one's father is guilty? Not in any world I've ever had the pleasure of living in. 😬

  • @francoisebeylie2923
    @francoisebeylie2923 3 года назад +10

    Scapegoats.

    • @Theywaswrong
      @Theywaswrong 3 года назад +2

      And that makes you a moron. These two were guilty of much more than just the indictment charges. Now we have the RICO act and they would have been guilty of that two.

    • @bigcheckcalling3499
      @bigcheckcalling3499 3 года назад +3

      @@Theywaswrong you weren’t even alive🤣🤣you know nothing

  • @ppumpkin3282
    @ppumpkin3282 Год назад +1

    Guilty as charged.

  • @Thomas-wn7cl
    @Thomas-wn7cl 3 года назад +6

    Not associated with violence, but they were both carrying concealed pistols...

    • @Old_Harry7
      @Old_Harry7 3 года назад +11

      That's doesn't mean anything, in America everyone (and still is) carrying guns even concealed ones.
      Two Italians during the 20s, in a nation which was known (and still is) for racial discrimination and violence against minorities, carrying fire arms? Honestly it would have been more fishy if their were unarmed.

  • @joshandjames4107
    @joshandjames4107 2 года назад +3

    I'm friends with the Sacco Family

  • @Ronswanson940
    @Ronswanson940 2 года назад +3

    Here's to you 🎶

  • @gerryroberts662
    @gerryroberts662 5 месяцев назад

    My gradnmother, helen would tell me stories about ww1 and 2 , and how the planes flew,, and the sinking of the andre doria in july.25,1956..she was born in 1913.. and lived to feb.11,1997.. she learnerd lot from reading,,they were even stopped once, with her daughter cuddles, thinking she was the Lindbergh baby. She gave birth to all 3 children at home except cuddles who was born in a hospital.. we just burried our other aunt at age 87, and rhonda is her last born at age 74... the 1950s was a great time to be alive.. i came along much later thought.. great to learn about something i have never heard of before fro the 1920s....i only heard about thisb the other day from a radio advertisement, about sacco and vansetti..i am still learning,,this is great..

  • @Pickcherdis
    @Pickcherdis 7 месяцев назад +1

    This sounds like the plot of My Cousin Vinny with Joe Pesci and Ralph Dimaggio

  • @MusicMan-dv7jg
    @MusicMan-dv7jg 3 года назад +4

    Is the narrator Brian Taylor Cohen?

  • @GL4T2024
    @GL4T2024 Год назад +1

    Great short documentary, but you speak so fast, it was hard to follow. I tried to slow it down to .75, but that was too slow. LOL.

  • @birdwife589
    @birdwife589 Год назад

    hits close to home, my dad was an italian immigrant and my family lives right down the street from braintree

  •  3 года назад +8

    An independent ballistics test by two separate investigators in 1961 confirmed that the bullet that killed security guard Alessandro Berardelli (of course, himself an Italian) was fired from Sacco's gun. Two members of the Sacco and Vanzetti defense committee both later independently stated that Sacco was indeed the sole shooter and that Vanzetti was his accomplice (though they mistakenly believed that this made Vanzetti innocent). The son of one of these individuals said "They all lied, they did it for the cause.” In 2005, a letter from writer and social justice activist Upton Sinclair was discovered in which Sinclair said that Sacco & Vanzetti's attorney confessed to him that they were in fact guilty and their alibis were fabricated. Sinclair had been in touch with the attorney because he was doing research for his forthcoming novel Boston, a fictionalized account of the Sacco & Vanzetti trial. Even though Sinclair no longer believed in their innocence, calling it "the most difficult ethical problem of my life," he wrote the novel anyway, saying "My wife is absolutely certain that if I tell what I believe, I will be called a traitor to the movement and may not live to finish the book.” I don't claim to know whether Sacco & Vanzetti were truly guilty or not (though the evidence I've listed is extremely damning), but one thing is unequivocally certain: the two people of whose murder they were convicted, Alessandro Berardelli & Frederick Parmenter, were innocent. It's worth considering that countless thousands of Sacco & Vanzetti's supporters *did* claim to know for certain that they were innocent, and nothing could change their minds. I doubt Joan Baez ever reflected for a moment on the possibility that her song "Here's to you" (written ten years after the independent ballistics test) may be an ode to unrepentant murderers.

    • @easystreet123
      @easystreet123 2 года назад +2

      Very well written. Thank you

    • @keyos1955
      @keyos1955 2 года назад +2

      Do you have sources?

    • @carta8399
      @carta8399 2 года назад +6

      How come they got an official apology and they were pardoned in 1977 then? Do you have any source?

  • @lanacampbell-moore4549
    @lanacampbell-moore4549 3 года назад +3

    I love this channel 👌😊

  • @imcnagpc2
    @imcnagpc2 3 года назад +1

    I thought he was going to say "and this was the start of what was known as the MAFIA."

    • @Houston343
      @Houston343 2 года назад

      Its started with Prohibition. So yes in the 1920's

  • @eze8933
    @eze8933 Год назад

    Fascinating. I was looking through many last meal requests on Wiki yesterday and these two stuck out to me among a few others.

    • @ace1603
      @ace1603 11 месяцев назад

      why did they stick out if i may ask?

  • @Theywaswrong
    @Theywaswrong 3 года назад +6

    Hell, nothing holds up in court nowdays. You cant get a conviction unless you have a recording where they say "I did it".

    • @Houston343
      @Houston343 2 года назад +5

      Thats not true. America's system is better than most others, but having money helps.

  • @cornballfungus
    @cornballfungus Год назад

    As a kid in elementary school, my bus route took me everyday past the memorial of where the murders happened… now I don’t work too far away from that spot. Glad Braintree ain’t so dangerous lol

  • @jimmyfbaybee
    @jimmyfbaybee 3 года назад +2

    Tony soprano brought me here

  • @zampieritto
    @zampieritto 3 года назад +3

    In 2027 will be 100 years. Hopefully the pandemie ends till there

  • @lucasolivo8045
    @lucasolivo8045 3 года назад +3

    This video is amazing

  • @Reesezhatena
    @Reesezhatena 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome glimpse into the case, really enjoyed however I feel like you left out key points of information about the cases.

  • @wovfm
    @wovfm 3 года назад +5

    Halfa guilty, halfa no guilty.

  • @Dayglodaydreams
    @Dayglodaydreams 3 года назад +1

    I don't know.
    =

  • @alessandromartina644
    @alessandromartina644 Месяц назад +1

    The title is deeply offensive for their families ad for the Italian American community in general, I am going to report this

  • @solgato5186
    @solgato5186 2 года назад

    Holy shit, that day you have to find a better 1920s channel.

  • @changtcg
    @changtcg Год назад +1

    I've only heard about their name today because Russia captured a 3 building village in Ukraine name after these two.

  • @jec1ny
    @jec1ny 3 года назад +2

    Both were almost certainly involved with at least one of the crimes. Ballistic tests performed in 1961 definitively identified Sacco's Colt .32 semiautomatic pistol as the weapon used to murder Alessandro Berardelli during the Braintree robbery/killings. And both men were known to be closely connected to violent anarchists. Further a lot of what was presented as exculpatory post trial evidence would never be admitted in court even today. As just one example jail house "confessions" by others who supposedly committed the crime remain a common tactic among inmates to sow doubt and try to cast doubt on any legal case. That said, the judicial proceedings were a disaster on wheels and would not pass muster today.

  • @ashpikachu
    @ashpikachu Год назад +1

    These people are victims

  • @joshuakely9237
    @joshuakely9237 Год назад

    I was watching the family guy movie from years ago and thought he said suckle and van city. Took me ages to figure it out. I am now 28 and am just learning about this case. I feel like anti Italian hatred isn't something that's talked about much

  • @justincase2226
    @justincase2226 2 года назад

    Thank you. Interesting. Love their names. Funny how history kinda repeats itself..

  • @atlasgunther8947
    @atlasgunther8947 27 дней назад +1

    Well done, thank you but I truly wonder if this wasn't faked, a set up, like everything else in his story.

  • @billbrimmer1739
    @billbrimmer1739 3 года назад +7

    Underscores the case against Capital Punishment. Eventually the verdicts would have been overturned. The narrator was excellent, a great video. Thanks.

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +1

      Sarah Ehrmann, the wife of one of the lawyers who pursued getting them a retrial or a pardon, worked for the rest of her life to repeal CP in the whole country. She died sometime in the 1970s.

  • @Illstatefishing
    @Illstatefishing Год назад

    True revolutionaries!! 🏴🏴🏴

  • @nc9318
    @nc9318 2 года назад +1

    grandpa stuck around Italy until 1953.

  • @MrSniperdude01
    @MrSniperdude01 3 года назад +1

    It really isn't. I learned about this 2009.
    Sad part is, I was in a recent discussion with a psychology professional about the tensions over the recent police shootings in USA. We both live in MA, yet she had no idea who or what I was talking about.
    For those that say that only african americans get railroaded by police --- Nah yah don't (HERE'S PROOF)

  • @addie_is_me
    @addie_is_me 3 года назад +11

    Innocent! They were the perfect patsies.

    • @ohmeowzer1
      @ohmeowzer1 3 года назад

      I agree 100%

    • @maxwelljarman7785
      @maxwelljarman7785 3 года назад +3

      (www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-dec-24-me-sinclair24-story.html ) they told their attorney they were guilty and the attorney wrote a letter to Upton Sinclair (socialist) that they were guilty. Sinclair and the attorney refused to tell the public out of fear of being condemned by the protesters.

    • @Marco-1997
      @Marco-1997 3 года назад +2

      @@maxwelljarman7785 except they were proven innocent after, killed just for their political thought

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +1

      @@maxwelljarman7785 Their attorney of record, Fred Moore, was fired by the Sacco & Vanzetti Defense Committee after the verdict was reached. Per usual the LA Times has its head too far up its ass to know anything. I advise you not to trust them on this issue.

    • @atlasgunther8947
      @atlasgunther8947 27 дней назад

      @@Marco-1997 that's what I found, both were later exhonerated

  • @MrsPasquale45
    @MrsPasquale45 10 месяцев назад

    Oh there's so much that you missed. The barrel of the gun was changed. The state preferred that Vanzetti stole Bartelli the pain masters gun, which was impossible because it was being repaired in a shop.. they filed down the serial numbers on the gun. Some jurors were being beaten up. The day after Vanzetti was executed his border found the fish receipt signed by him proving he was innocent. He could not have been at the scene

  • @PrestonSacco
    @PrestonSacco 7 месяцев назад +1

    I wonder if I’m related to ol sacco

  • @cynicalandrealistic2678
    @cynicalandrealistic2678 3 года назад +1

    Could you talk about the Soviet Union during the 1920s

    • @Houston343
      @Houston343 2 года назад +1

      It's an interesting question. I don't think anyone knew the horrors that were about to be thrust onto Russians by communism. But the idea was brought to America and several groups where actively trying to change our country to communism. Poor Russians. Only the Chinese know the horrors of Communism. In America we discuss 2 men who might not have been quilty but probably were but in Russia 20-30 million were killed and millions of others lived after being taken to the gulag. Read The Whispers by Orlando Figes.

  • @Ayookd293
    @Ayookd293 26 дней назад

    Here’s to you

  • @letswin5944
    @letswin5944 Год назад

    Cowboys vs Indians. Every race got a turn being the Indian, this was the Italians turn.

  • @akishiro1
    @akishiro1 6 месяцев назад

    heres to you, nicola and bart

  • @boardante8454
    @boardante8454 Год назад

    Here's to you, Nicola and Bart

  • @hungrysoles
    @hungrysoles 3 года назад +9

    Sacco and Vanzetti were not guilty and were made scapegoats to violence and prejudice. One of the lawyers om their defense trsm was Michael Angelo Musmanno. who later was a judge at the Nuremberg Tribunal of Nazi Criminals after World War ii and a distinguished justice of the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court. Justice Musmanno wrote extensively on his participation in the case.

  • @rixx46
    @rixx46 3 года назад +8

    Interesting and relevant to today’s irrational fear of immigrants. Great visual support to your well researched story.

    • @michaelanthony9773
      @michaelanthony9773 3 года назад +8

      These two Men came most likely to the Receiving Station, something we now do not have, at Ellis Island. They went through stringent tests before they entered in. Take your Lib B.S. somewhere else.

    • @thrummer1953
      @thrummer1953 3 года назад +6

      Nothing irrational about it.

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +2

      Calling this documentary well-researched is stretching the point the whole length of the Massachusetts Turnpike (138 mi).

    • @jillcooper6740
      @jillcooper6740 Год назад

      No. Not relevant to today. One of his very last statements is 100% his opinion which makes this not history but propaganda.

  • @geoffolehane
    @geoffolehane Год назад +1

    It is hard to cover the complexities of this case in less than 12-minutes. You missed a few things but you pointed out a few key things. Decent job.

  • @Kingsservant83
    @Kingsservant83 2 месяца назад

    Joan Baez - Here's to you, Nicola and Bart.

    • @lerorz8517
      @lerorz8517 Месяц назад

      heres the chair for you nicola and bart 😊

  • @apriladams6098
    @apriladams6098 11 месяцев назад

    Extreme prejudice, and they weren't convicted by evidence!

  • @rockovanzetti3803
    @rockovanzetti3803 Год назад

    You just never know.

  • @aurelnegrea7617
    @aurelnegrea7617 2 года назад +1

    How the hell you do justitie in 2021. ?? 100 year old case ??

  • @tobinprowant8021
    @tobinprowant8021 5 месяцев назад +1

    They were guilty

  • @vanz75
    @vanz75 Год назад

    The U.S.A. at our time !!!

  • @correseguros
    @correseguros 3 года назад

    Todo lo que sea anarquismo debe pasar por la espada.

  • @barbarapineda9062
    @barbarapineda9062 Год назад

    Victorians Italians, peoples, born 1880s & 1900s 1920s that's times I still n.. nuts Villegas, m.mum, also also wasn't born eithers, I heard this stories many times, that's too bad..who's knows borh might haves or maybe or not guilty,

  • @Theywaswrong
    @Theywaswrong 3 года назад +4

    Sure, they couldnt prove Al Capone was guilty of murders either. Where is the video on his innocence and how he was mistreated.

  • @lindyloo7177
    @lindyloo7177 2 года назад +1

    🎋🕊

  • @meenism
    @meenism Год назад

    I wish our government cared that much about stopping crime NOW🤦‍♂

  • @whenthemusicsover6028
    @whenthemusicsover6028 3 года назад +3

    The one downvote is from Judge Thayer.

  • @ohmeowzer1
    @ohmeowzer1 3 года назад +2

    They were set up

  • @JamesGeers
    @JamesGeers Год назад

    You make it sound like they were probably guilty, tbh.

  • @kendn01
    @kendn01 3 года назад +5

    I can't help but wonder if the extreme 'left' represented by the anarchists was a reaction to the US government's extreme policy of intolerance towards conscientious objectors, and anyone critical of the US involvement in WWI. Ken Burn's documentary about WWI was a real eye-opener. Wilson's behavior was abhorrent.

    • @Theywaswrong
      @Theywaswrong 3 года назад

      Someone is always making excuses for leftist. You are just another one.

    • @justsomeguy4099
      @justsomeguy4099 3 года назад +2

      Ken Burns is a communist. He'll always paint America in a bad light.

    • @cjaquilino
      @cjaquilino 3 года назад +4

      Anarchism is a political philosophy with core tenets, principles, schools of thought, and ideas.
      I don’t think it’s that useful to look at it as merely a reaction to US policy towards dissenters. Maybe some people were pushed by that but I’d bet the bulk of people that embraced anarchism did so because of their own material conditions.

    • @justsomeguy4099
      @justsomeguy4099 3 года назад +1

      @@cjaquilino and penis envy

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад +1

      I bet this "documentary" omits the fact that Nando (Nicola was actually Sacco's brothers name which he adopted; on the brother's early death. Fernando was his real name) and Barto fled to Mexico to avoid the draft.

  • @user-gf6iu5es8w
    @user-gf6iu5es8w Год назад

    long live those thrue héros! irs a shame to think thoses guys are terroriste.
    you Christians love Jésus who was iself an anarchiste.. long live thoses who beleive in a world of peace equality and with a comon goal

  • @CamusFR7
    @CamusFR7 3 года назад +4

    They were crearly innocents. Shame for the ribunal.

  • @MrTrackman100
    @MrTrackman100 2 года назад

    From mu readings, probably Sacco was guilty, but not Vanzetti. I always thought Sacco should have confessed and then exonerate Vanzetti right before the execution.

  • @RobertJamesChinneryH
    @RobertJamesChinneryH 2 года назад

    primary or middle school project?

  • @barbarapineda9062
    @barbarapineda9062 Год назад

    All races are evils or never been no- crimes, n..their's life's, also.all individ.. are singer's, that's I heard or read abouts it's books..

  • @carloslopez1582
    @carloslopez1582 3 года назад +5

    Racially biased injustice system.?
    Some things never change.!!!

    • @Theywaswrong
      @Theywaswrong 3 года назад +3

      What a stupid comment. Humanity will never be perfect and its easy for you to claim to be a victim .

    • @Houston343
      @Houston343 2 года назад +1

      Oh I know... America is a horrible country. We should all go back to where we came from. I'm sure its way better there.

  • @maddyg3208
    @maddyg3208 3 года назад +4

    These types of trials will always be controversial because of pressure on the authorities to charge someone in a high profile case, the unlikelihood that someone would plead guilty to a crime carrying the dealth penalty, sympathy for the victims and their families raising the emotional stakes, and the "class" to which the judge (and many jurors) belonged being actual targets for anarchist attacks (assassinations went on til the 30s).
    It's however understandable that Americans were outraged when their people were murdered by immigrants let into the US so they could ostensibly leave old enmities behind and seek a better life.

    • @s.leemccauley7302
      @s.leemccauley7302 3 года назад +1

      They did that when Luncoln was assassinated. It goes on today as well. But then we also let obvious crooks walk because they have money and influence.

    • @cjaquilino
      @cjaquilino 3 года назад +5

      No, it was irrational, stupid, and xenophobic to generalize those incidents to Italians or even to anarchists.

    • @conanmcdonnell7390
      @conanmcdonnell7390 5 месяцев назад

      America is a country of immigrants. You can't distinguish between Americans and immigrants, unless you are talking about native Americans.

  • @zampieritto
    @zampieritto 3 года назад +3

    No official apology for these two innocent men

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 2 года назад

      There was: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti#Dukakis_proclamation

  • @jayizzett
    @jayizzett 3 года назад +1

    Just some actors

  • @eagyinjection
    @eagyinjection 3 года назад

    those people who execute innocent people should given the same treatment s nicola and bart