As a trans woman, I def see where Theo is coming from with the role of the company amid the backlash. For her own mental health, I am not sure if Dylan should have taken the gig; however, she's no stranger to being the right's trans scapegoat, so maybe she was ready for it. I think what gets lost in all of this, especially for straight people, is that Bud Light has been making LGBT targeted ads for YEARS and is one of the most popular beers at gay bars all across the US. In a business sense, this is a perfect storm for them. All they have to do is sit by as crazy right wingers and transphobes literally destroy product they already payed for themselves, and then all of the normal people will either continue buying it as normal and/or start buying it again when people stop talking about it in two weeks. They benefit from the huge amount of exposure, and most of the backlash will fall in Dylan herself. There are also a wide variety of alcohol companies that make lgbt ads, Jack Daniels, Absolut Vodka, and Smirnoff are big ones just to name a few. I think this is just one of the many times the right tries to virtue signal their outrage over LGBT issues, so they can seem righter than thou. Also just to respond to the puberty blockers thing. I understand the hesitancy where Theo is coming from. If you're not exposed to trans people, hearing that some adolescents can be prescribed medication for trans issues can be quite a scary thought. But I ask you to dig a little deeper and see past the sensationalized rhetoric surrounding this issue. No, a young kid or teen cannot go to a doctor's office and get hormones after one conversation with a doctor. There are a wide variety of steps that one must take before they can even be considered for them as well, usually this involves a year at least of therapy, a signed letter from said therapist, and at least 6 months to a year of social transition. When I started hormones in liberal NJ, I was required by my doctor to have socially transitioned for a year and get that doctors note that I talked about before that social transition is usually the first thing that a potentially trans kid is told to explore. Try out a new name, present your clothes in a different way, etc.. After all of that a decision is then made between the child, their parents, and a physician/endocrinologist. Like all medical decisions, it should be up to the patient, their parents if they are a minor, and medical professionals - NOT THE GOVERNMENT. The science is there if you're operating in good faith and it costs nothing to treat trans people with respect and dignity, especially in the climate that we live in now.
Gays are not the same as trans lol, don't lump something natural with something requiring medical intervention. Gays, Bi and lesbians should be lumped in with straight people tbh Should iust be TQ+ HAHAHA
What a no balls having fat idiot!!! Doesn’t have the balls to call out this fake transformer!! Fuck Dylan and anyone who won’t call this sick shit out!!!
For the record, Kid Rock was nowhere near middle class. He was wealthy as fuck since birth. Unless you consider a 22 room house, with horses, a barn, in ground pool and tennis court to be middle class..
Pleasently surprised with how thoughtful and respectful this was. I kinda get some of theos hang ups, but his willingness to learn is really reasuring.
I always find comments like this funny because you dont actually mean "learn", you mean concede. Youre happy about his willingness to concede on this issue and not actually push back
@@hamburgler227 All kinds of videos of parents speaking to the school boards about indoctrinating, and sexualizing children. A MAYOR just told one school board to either resign or be charged with pedophilia. Children are testifying about their horrible mistake of getting their breasts removed (transition surgery). I have no idea how you don't know any of this - OH WAIT, YES I DO, you only watch, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC and the BBC. And you're probably a fan of TYT and the NEW YORK TIMES. Transsexuality is a very big agenda, WOMAN OF THE YEAR - BRUCE JENNER? It is all madness, the feminist of all people, are okay with MEN stealing their awards. You are aware of the GIGANTIC CONTROVERSY over MEN PRETENDING LIKE THEY ARE WOMEN and then destroying all the women they compete against? BECAUSE THAT'S FAIR ACCORDING TO THE LEFTIST CLOWNS who have no idea what is happening in the world. Please note; GIRLS ARE NOT PRETENDING TO BE BOYS SO THEY CAN BREAK RECORDS! Trans vs Trans sounds like a solution to me - but no one will go for it because it doesn't piss enough people off.
Theo seriously is one of the few people I’ve seen that can genuinely question anything from a space of really wanting to just know in a way where there is zero justification in giving him shit. Like any question he asks even when he’s joking my head just goes “ohshit he just really wants to know I hope someone gives him a good answer.” Lol
Most people are like this. Talk to your neighbors or people in your community. Get off corporate and social media. Try to avoid services that recommend you content
Theo is really, really fucking smart at how he approaches these socially driven subjects with questions that spark a conversation in a way that people can openly converse with each other with opposing viewpoints.
@@dogchaser520nah. When children are involved and the ministry of truth. Forcing by law you to believe someone else's delusions as truth. You can keep your God damn shoes
I will continue to drink bud light bc I like the taste but the trans stufff I don’t support just like I don’t support underage drinking idc what they put on the can what they put on the can doesn’t have anything to do with what I believe in so it shouldn’t be a issue i just want to drink a cold beer after a hard day of work but I feel like this shit is going way to far over board also how do real biological women feel that a male who pretends to be a woman is woman of the year lmfao
Actually he realized this guy's stance and pulled back. He was testing the waters to not offend him and once he realized his beliefs he could barely talk and the stutter fest began. Believe what you want but when you see someone afraid to even talk about it, that's a problem.
@@codingwitheric is Straw Manning the new Manning brother? I'm sure some bland coder knows more about this than someone whos actually met and is friends with the very people they are discussing. Nice video thumbnails, you get them from coolmathgames?
A refreshing conversation. 👍🏼 The media needs to chill on trans people. I just want to quietly live my life as a trans woman, not be in the middle of a political warzone. We're only small minority of people.
@@DogfartNetworkk it takes absolutely 0 effort to be a decent human being. just mind your damn business and maybe you wouldn’t be so affected by someone else’s choice of lifestyle.
No you dont “Just” want that. When it comes time to vote for someone who supports transitioning kids , cutting off genitals , giving hormone therapy to children. You’re going to vote in favor of that instead of against it because of who you are. Trans or not these things are currently happening and the left (majority of who trans Vote for) are allowing it and even encouraging it. Doctors are making a fortunate off of transitioning kids (who statistically come to regret the decision). SURE BE TRANS no one cares what fully grown adults do. But when it comes to minors like leave the fucking kids alone.
@robertgonzales9036 he's hitting no.points. dudes got 2 brain cells and both can only come up with shitty comedy skits. Dudes never touched a woman in his life either so he's full of shit as well
Funny enough I actually saw somebody on another video who was post-op, saying people that didn't get bottom surgery were not really women LOL, oh the irony😂
Stavros is right about the non-binary thing. I have so many friends who are non-binary in that they don't feel like either gender, but they also don't plan on getting surgery. The amount of people actually transitioning is still less than 2%.
I’m Korean-American & this is the first time I heard this. I thought there were tons of Asian trans. Older generations, not just Asians, used to place much importance in having a son but that type of thinking is changing. I’ll need to see what Bobby Lee thinks about that. Luv that Theo.
Tobias has the right of it. Everyone is influenced by propaganda, even when you're very well armed against it. (Advertising having been born out of the propaganda industry, especially as pioneered by Bernays, Freud's nephew.) Advertising works on everyone. Look at the clothes you're wearing, the things you buy, what you want without questioning. I have yet to meet a person who is immune.
@@dogchaser520 No, it actually doesn't. Lying can work on everyone, gaslighting can work on everyone but the truth. The truth can't be propaganda because the truth will have facts to support it. Unfortunately everything now is based on feeling. The fact is they lost 4 billion dollars but feel it's a good idea to keep going. Thats propaganda. There is a major difference between the truth and propaganda. It's simply based on facts. Thats why all of it fell apart. Even the master at it, Hitler eventually paid the ultimate price. The truth will always prevail. Unfortunately, most people aren't very fucking bright. Just look at the Balenciaga collection. People following trends to look homeless. Advertising and propaganda are similar but propaganda has a nefarious agenda. If you can convince people to spend $500 on a paper clip(Prada) you can convince an idiot to do anything. Unfortunately most people are not that bright.
@Tobias Saibot you're right and it's literally everywhere. But an individual can choose to pay attention to it or not. 5 seconds after I hit "skip" on whatever ad played in this video I couldn't tell you what it was for. I buy beer from a local brewery that doesn't advertise because it's convenient and I like the taste.
@@dogchaser520 im largely immune. dont buy big name brand clothes. food i buy is almost all basic produce/meat. for stuff like condiments or whatever i usually try the no name brands and compare rather than pay a premium for no reason. cars ive owned are based on things like fuel efficiency and reviews i read rather than advertisements etc... some people are definitely more immune than others to being influenced by ads. maybe no one is 100% immune but i'd say unironically i'm 99% immune.
@@gaysfortrump2024 I'm pretty similar. In fact, advertisements create brand aversion for me because I dislike being manipulated. I actively avoid buying branded products and somewhat secretly despise people who wear branded clothing. It's a prejudice for sure, but I can't help but feel the deepest contempt mixed with pity at seeing someone not just advertise a product, but pay a premium for the privilege to do so. The vanity of buying a branded product so you're not "off-brand" is so deeply pathetic that inspires revulsion in anyone with a modicum of intelligence. Watching advertisements makes me feel physically ill, somewhat anxious, and occasionally furious. Nonetheless, that does still mean I'm being manipulated by the propaganda, but in the opposite intended direction most of the time. Still influence, though! You need serious training, diligence and critical thinking to try and separate yourself from that influence. As you say, you're still not perfectly immune. And at the very least, it affects others around you, which in turn affects your life through interaction with those people. They may provide certain subtle frames of reference that influence your thinking, propagating the mind-virus unconsciously, and you wouldn't even be aware it's happening. But fortunately, yes, we can train ourselves. Media literacy and propaganda resistance training should be taught to all children. This would also help avoid the "fake news" effect. Yes, of course all news is "fake" in that it's biased and has a motive. The funny thing with the "fake news" decriers is that they usually opt to get news from even more biased and propagandizing sources that lure them in through an addiction to outrage and smug superiority. Can't say I'm immune to that, either.
Here’s the cycle: -Company makes some kind of marketing campaign that is vaguely socially conscious maybe either out of genuine interest to spread that message and/or to appeal to a certain audience. -the audience it isn’t marketed to gets outraged and starts making a shitstorm over the Internet and on network outlets -People on the other side flock to defend said business and/or call out the backlash, and thus the business gains a bunch of attention, notoriety, and thus money. -Another company sees the fruitful opportunity of using social issues as marketing campaigns and thus the whole cycle starts over. I feel like this kind of branding and marketing wouldn’t be all that intriguing if these company’s knew there wouldn’t be some kind of polarizing effect. You’re going to lose a certain kind of customer, but you’re also going to gain the respect and loyalty of another customer.
I'm in marketing, and to be honest, this kind of strategy isn't really rational from a marketing perspective. Choosing Dylan as a face of the company isn't congruent or synegistic with the overall brand image. Also, trends show younger people are drinking less and less, so it doesn't make sense to specifically market to them (which is the primary demographic following Dylan) at the cost of alienating your main customers. Socially progressive marketing can be effective, but this type of brand is so far removed from the demographic that strategy appeals to that it doesn't work. It would be a good strategy for some kind of hipster-y IPA beer, but Bud Light is firmly positioned as a beer for male middle aged manual laborers and the like. In marketing, one of your main priorities should be customer retention and building long term relationships, as this is where the majority of your sales will come from. Alienating your core base by drastically altering the brand image just for the sake of getting some awareness on Twitter and the news doesn't make sense. Outrage can be effective in some circumstances to get into the news cycle, but you shouldn't outrage your customer base in ANY circumstance. An example of good outrage marketing would be Grand Theft Auto 5, which got into the news for its outlandish and provocative content, but this worked primarily because it caused ourage for middle-class, religious, surbuban mothers who are not the target audience, and it also helped reinforce the brand as this counter-culture kind of product which appealed to its target demographics. It's likely this strategy came from a desire to boost their CEI score. It doesn't make sense from any kind of logical marketing standpoint.
tell that to the execs that just oversaw 5 billion devaluation of the company. anheuser-busch has one of the lowest esg scores on record. imagine paying billions of dollars to impress commies.
@@crossmarian773 but the majority of bud light drinkers are under 30, which tend to be more progressive or left of center. and the majority of people (i e. normal people) don’t give a shit about who’s on the can
@@crossmarian773 I get where you're coming from, but they didn't make Dylan the face of the company. They gave her a single can of beer with her face on it to post as sponsored content to her social media accounts. To be kinda honest, I think Bud Light miscalculated the rage this invoked in conservatives. Imo the response to Bud Light by conservatives is trying to send the companies a message that any support or collaboration with a trans person is grounds for the utmost retaliation.
It's nice to see a good faith discussion. Clearly Theo has hesitation around the subject, but was still respectful and tried to articulate real motivations of fear that people have. Stav pretty much echoed my exact thoughts on most of it, which is cool because I was sure where he would be on that. This is exactly how discourse should occur, good for them. It's a little concerning to me to see Theo gravitate to some of the right lately though. And here's the thing there's nothing wrong with hanging out with people i ideologically disagree with, people are more than politics, but some of these people are abhorrent, like Bar and Peterson. And those people don't deserve a platform imo.
I didn't know what to expect clicking on this but I was kinda pleasantly surprised by the conversation. Stavos has the right answers here for the most part. Florida only passes fear mongering bills.
how is that crazy? it’s literally the norm for people in government to be offered well paying corporate jobs after their service. They’re often even promised jobs before their service is over to so that regulations will be made in their favor. plus if you think the CEO of one of the largest beverage manufacturers in the entire world is paying close attention to a random marketing campaign then i don’t think you know what CEOs do lol
@@tylerdavis849 lmao no they don't. The CEO is leading a global 500 company that owns hundreds of international brands and thousands of products, he's not dilly-dallying on some random ass marketing campaign. he has way more important shit to do
Theo struggling to understand that grown men should not care about what Budweiser does with its ad budget. Grown men should care about governments intruding on people's liberty, wealth inequality, environmental justice, and the abysmal state of American healthcare.
That’s why the right wing is so obsessed with trying to stop trans rep in media and these topics being taught in school. They want us to be a faceless mass of hysterical degenerates who hate every value you as the average citizen hold dear. As soon as you hear a really good joke from a trans person or a story about them having car troubles or their fishing trip they had last week you start to see them as people with hobbies and struggles just like you.
@@bryce9083 my best friend is trans. I’ve known her for 3 years and she’s a lovely person. Don’t slander trans people as “crazy”: it’s just not true and a very damaging idea to propagate.
Man as a trans dude i really appreciate this video. Thank you theo, its nice seeing a comic whos just a normal dude with no political agenda whos accepting of the trans community or at least tolerant of it. And honestly i appreciate the point u made about trans ppl being over represented in the media, because when i compare how things are today to when i transitioned like 13 years ago, i swear things are worse now because the media has already given ppl and opinion of me and ppl like me before they even met me. So i wish they werent trying to cram trans stuff down everyones throats and just let us live like normal ppl. So thank you for mentioning that. You kick ass
I think this is something that could fit here, but my counter argument is "pandering vs reprisentation". As a trans woman, I love it when I see a good story with a well written trans character that is authentic. I do not like to see "filler episode with guest character you'll never see again who is trans so we can fake caring and give half woke statements about loving yourself with no consequences to anything aren't we great". People judged trans people before they had as much time in the spotlight. And that judgement was rarely pne of peace, love, acceptance or tolerance even. Representation, good representation, does wonders. Capitalising on a group of people you don't understand so you can say a lot of things while saying nothing, does not help. The whole "shoving down throats" thing is bullshit and was enough for me to suspect you are lying, but I'd rather treat a liar sincerely than an honest man as a fool. Isn't the lack of trans people in media forcing cis shit down our throats? Everything is political until it's accepted and normal. This argument rings empty.
@@skyistaken1605 idk, from my perspective i see weird little things that seem like the representation is forceful in ways it doesent need to be. Like my little sister in law was playing the hogwarts legacy game and sironas character is trans right, and like i dont care i thought it was cute. But LITERALLY, as shes playing it i stg all the npc’s were like “have u talked to sirona? Sirona is so cool. Sirona is so funny” like jesus christ lol. I mean it just feels so fake. They commodify us, its almost always a marketing ploy. I can imagine as someone whos cis and is on the fence on trans issues, even little shit like that would just be so annoying. Or having caitlin jenner as a trans icon 😬 hopefully i dont have to explain that one lol. But like im not against trans representation lol. I just dont think representation is equal to liberation if that makes sense. All that capitalism has to offer trans people for “equality” is representation. It does very little to actually benefit my life. Like I said in my first comment, i feel like life was easier for me as a trans person when there was less media attention in general because people got a chance to know me before having an opinion on trans issues already. Hope that helped clarify.
@@savannnnnnah not really 🤡. It’s basic science taught to 6th graders well at least it used to be taught, now students don’t know what to think. Again. Get help.
I respect Theo and think he's genuinely sharing his opinion and being open to others, but "people who are unsure will see trans people and want to become trans" is only an issue if you see being trans as a problem
Just to correct Stavros’ on the period tracking comment 😂 It was actually 2 separate news articles that through the grapevine, merged together into one story. First, a Florida high school almost made it a rule to answer questions about your menstrual cycle to play on women’s sports teams. Second, since all this AI scare is happening and the Roe vs. Wade event, women have been telling each other to delete period tracking apps to prevent proof of criminal activity in states where abortion is illegal. Hope this helps, love you so much Theo! ❤
He also said that swimmer “cut his nuts off” to compete with females. Not true, he still has male genitalia and shared locker rooms with biological women, with no warning. Stavros said a lot of shit that he was wrong about.
The trans swimmer was getting naked in the women's room and still had her male parts. The women said no one told them so it was uncomfortable. I do think this woke movement is hurting gay, trans and even racial issues. People are becoming less open minded and now feel like we are the enemy.
Woke crap hurts everyone imo. I don't care what or who someone wants to be. But as an adult biological female, I do not want a person with a penis in the bathroom or locker room with me. Get the boy parts taken off first. It's also very insulting that people are being named women of the year , especially the ones that still have a penis. When women like me have been women all of our lives. As for children, there should be no sexualized content anywhere. Drag shows, strippers, books and talks about sex, gender, gay, trans, straight, etc. Idk what they can't just be little kuds.
The whole Bud Light thing is weird because it was just a one and done ad that if it hadn't been blown out of proportion, only that trans influencers followers would have seen it 😅, it was in her instagram I think, so who would see it? I sure wouldn't have.
idk he says no one would ever mutliate themselves to win something, but i look at all the plastic surgery instagram girls get and i have serious doubts.
It really is just a very small percentage of people that are trans. I personally know only one and have never met another one. But I also have never encountered one of those crazies who think that being trans is a cool trend.
yes, its a very small percentage and yet theyre winning all of the awards, becoming sponsors of all the companies and were waiving the trans flag above our nations capitol. the people who think being trans is a cool trend is the younger generation, up to 20% of them.
Nearly one in five people who identify as transgender are ages 13-17. The percentage and number of adults who identify as transgender in the U.S. has remained steady over time. Our estimate of the number of youth who identify as transgender has doubled from our previous estimate.
@@DoTheHuman My nephew says its a fashion statement and half the kids in his class will say they are trans or gay just so they look "cool" and then they are rewarded by the staff for being a brave robot.
Majority of trans is still attracted to the opposite sex. So if a man transitions to a woman they are still attracted to women. It’s very complicated. I have experience with several being a makeup artist in the 90s. Even drag queens are entirely different. Most identify as gay who perform in drag theatre. My experiences with individual men who sought me to help them transition-revealed to me how much of a fetish it was to them. Ex: sexual gratification from wearing lingerie to then complete transition to women in public. And these examples are just a few on the dozens I could mention. I think parents have a right to be concerned and trans conversations do not belong in schools. Let kids be kids and not burden them with this.
I feel like the bit about having no girls not being attracted to you resulting in you thinking there's no chemistry with women so your only option of finding love is with guys is so spot on for me. Like I had bulimia in my teen years and had such low self esteem I went crazy and hallucinated girls thinking that I was cute then ugly for like 7 years straight. No joke every class period at school for 7 years was "acceptance," "rejection" over and over again. Before my eating disorder I knew I thought girls were pretty. This was even after when I was sexually assaulted as a kid. Like to this day I thought I was gay and maybe I am but maybe I'm bi.
I feel like you’re speaking to me. I’ve lived my life as a gay guy and now I’m like… maybe I’m not as gay as I thought. I always thought of myself as obese and disgusting and just assumed that a woman would ever want to be with me sexually. My sexual experiences with men have been meh and in my last relationship I almost never wanted to have sex while my boyfriend wanted to have sex like twice a day; it put a bit of a strain on our relationship. I had to evaluate why I have always felt my relationships have felt “off” in some way and then I was like… maybe it’s because I am not as attracted to men as I thought I was and maybe it’s because I am thinking about women a lot.
@@DanEMO592 Given the natural world's need for "Man plus woman" I'm inclined to think "straight" is everyone's default and it is our environment that determines attraction. Sexuality is CRAZY complex. The "born that way" narrative seems less science-based and more like it was born out of desperation by the gay community as a reaction to the hate that gay people receive. (It's harder to hate someone for something out of their control.)
When i was younger And ignorant we had a roommate whom was gay. Not one of my issues with them had nothing to do with his 'prefrence'....but when he acted like a shitty person.....We had 'Clashes'. Humanity needs a morality check. People are Just people....Anywhere you go on this planet. Thanks to you both for the episode.
Yeah, it's a big wide world outside of the narrow-minded gaze of the Rogan podcast narrative. That thing is an echo chamber. Good on Stav for entering this circle of podcasters and holding onto his own opinions. Many won't.
@@shauncowell6215 this comment section is a shithole man fr, im suprised at the lack of historical awareness from people here at all. do people not see the "facist" undertones of anti-trans messaging?
This is the first time I've listened to stavros outside of his standup, super smart and I like his views and his crowd work is refreshing. This guy is going to be at the top. Lessss go
ironic because under neo-liberalism tr*nnies are the single most counter-revolutionary category of people. Literally would not exist under any other system, therefore they have to perpetuate it.
Yeah, he’s going wherever the wind takes him. Although, it’s quite convenient that his opinions are the same opinions held by everyone else in the entertainment industry.
Stavros... not every trans person has bottom or top surgery, or has taken hormones that 'level the playing field.' And it's a trans person's fundamental right to take the physical form that is most comfortable to them. It's not a fundamental right to participate in sports, and it's definitely not fair for someone to compete in oppsite sex sports when they have already developed physical characteristics that give them an unfair advantage. All that said, I always will fight for the rights of trans people to have safe, happy, healthy lives... we have to be fair and realistic about things that are not fundamental.
He also mentioned in a song (when he was over 30yo) how much he loves underaged girls and says statutory is mandatory. Pretty much an open admission to being a groomer. 😬
I stopped drinking Bud Light long before Dylan Mulvaney endorsement so I wasnt effected when this was supposed to he an issue. But my reason for not drinking Bud Light was it tasted exactly like Budweiser I tried to compare and I did a blind test. So for me the company I felt was being dishonest by upselling the same swill via marketing, they try to convince you it tastes different. I couldnt tell the difference.😂 American Beers are either IPA bitter af or generic swill that's all the same but overmarketed. I switched to Leinenkugel Shandies, I thought they had a better more citrus taste rather than boring generic wheat hops beer. I tried Coors too it they are ok but too wheat based not enough citrus to balance.
Used to tell the roommate....when you feeling down because someone took a 'swing at your prefrence'...remember When you are COMFORTABLE within your own skin nobody can hurt you. Its WHY honesty is So important. Sorry for my 8 cents.
Thing is tho Lea Thomas or whatever was a fully intact male for competition just on hormone blockers. The women that had to change in the locker room with him were the ones that said so.
Stavros got triggered af at one of his comedy shows at some dude who wasn't even heckling him he was just responding to a question of "do you have any adversity you're facing?"and the man said something about him being a white male (honestly the man was just being funny at a comedy club. Who knew that's not the place to do it?) And Stavros lost his top.
idk, it just kinda seemed like a light-ribbing. From the clip Stavros also seems to have misunderstood what the guy was trying to say, so yea I def think it wasn't really warranted tho
Theo just quietly mimicking all the conservative talking points, about these issues being "shoved down our throats" and stavvy having a point to come back to every time was impressive.
I understand the outrage about aunt jumyma just like I don't understand it against bud light. Don't like it don't buy it case closed. Both sides have lost their minds everyone is perpetually grievanced. Being offended is the new hip thing. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Case closed.
Not that I have anything against rainbows but when I first heard about it I was sorta on everyone's side like I don't mind it but it ain't gonna be cool to walk around the bar with rainbow trying to get chicks. But then I read they aren't changing the cans it was just one special can that they made for one person. And it's hysterical that people would even care about that lol. Flakes of snow everywhere
@1234 abcd for a moment, try to imagine what it would be like if being ur biological sex was a mental chore everyday. ur hormones out of line, anxiety & feeling uncomfortable. it’s literally just about having empathy towards another human. then it’s easy to not care about what others do as long as they’re not harming anyone
@@yaego The issue is everyone’s anxious and uncomfortable. That’s no reason to mutilate your genitalia. I think our culture has made people so depressed that they aren’t happy with themselves. Instead of actually fixing the root of the problem, society has convinced people something is wrong with them. But at the core it’s systemic, economic even.
@@dkatomski as a trans person, I'd like to weigh in. You wouldn't understand what it feels like BECAUSE you are not transgender. There are so many things to be depressed about in society like you said, most I would agree are systemic and economic. Being trans is an additional level of anxiety that you feel as a result of feeling a mismatch in your birth gender. For me and many other people, we run away from this fact about ourselves for a long time. We may recognize these feelings to some degree, but addressing those specific feelings would mean ALOT of work and explaining to people constantly where you're coming from. I tried therapy, I tried getting in shape, I had a successful cisgender and heterosexual relationship; however, none of these things addressed this fundamental part of myself that I tried so hard to push down - and trust me I tried so hard lol. When I started coming out and living authentically, the other stressors and anxieties you talked about didn't go away. But being able to be who I am, and finally able to see someone in the mirror that reflects what I feel inside, makes the sum total of everything so much more bearable. I can only say that for me, starting hormones was like taking my first full breath of a air for the first time in my life. Also you shouldn't call it mutalating your genitals, unless you also refer to any surgery as mutilating your body.
These two really hit on it towards the end when they said insurance won’t cover anything they’ll do anything they cannot to cover something, and look at this if you want to prove that profit motivates medical help you couldn’t get a better example than this situation we’re in with trans numbers exploding there’s so much money behind it
@@Confusedn1NJA The left handed study doesn't debunk that... trans numbers are growing at that rate ONLY for the age group of 14-21 year olds. (Most of which are white middle class) So for the left hand study to debunk that, the amount of left handed people should have only grown in that age group. It didn't, there was a rise across all age groups and demographics.
@@cassidyopeia2586 gee I wonder why that age group would be the highest, is it because socially it has the least amount of hurdles? Much like when left handed happened, most people that it spiked with at first were those young enough to not have a stigma? Geeeeeeeeeeeee
Yeah, can you elaborate why? Genuinely, just being trans doesn’t give you some magic advantage to be good at sports. Everyone is built differently, some people are going to have an advantage just based on their body type alone. I.e. taller people are probably gonna be a little faster in running sports, so should that not be allowed either?
@@alttabsStarting off a biological male gives you a huge advantage in most sports over biological females. There are absolutely zero trans males running over biological males because starting off as a female does not endow benefits. It’s not rocket science. It’s obviously not ok for a trans woman to compete against biological females unless those females agree to do so. If the biological females want a crack at them then there’s no victim. Otherwise there’s an obvious victim.
@@evanquinn3691 Ok, but there are women born with abnormal testosterone and bone size/density. Should we put them in the male category? Plus, the “male” swimmer in question DIDN’T BREAK ANY RECORDS OR EVEN WIN, so what’s up with that?
Everybody in this world just wants a comfy couch. We all want the same things for a good life. Chill out, and remind yourself you don’t need to get in the way of someone tryna get a comfy couch, tryna get the same things that we all want in life
yes, we all want to smoke camels and get a sex change (the hormone therapies + surgeries are being marketed to children, might want to consider that for a second)
"About 5% of young adults in the U.S. say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth" That's a freaking shockingly huge percentage if you ask me.
are you advocating for the number to be lower? the percentage of left handed people went up when cultural opinion shifted, then it leveled out. most likely this will peak and level out
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As a trans woman, I def see where Theo is coming from with the role of the company amid the backlash. For her own mental health, I am not sure if Dylan should have taken the gig; however, she's no stranger to being the right's trans scapegoat, so maybe she was ready for it. I think what gets lost in all of this, especially for straight people, is that Bud Light has been making LGBT targeted ads for YEARS and is one of the most popular beers at gay bars all across the US. In a business sense, this is a perfect storm for them. All they have to do is sit by as crazy right wingers and transphobes literally destroy product they already payed for themselves, and then all of the normal people will either continue buying it as normal and/or start buying it again when people stop talking about it in two weeks. They benefit from the huge amount of exposure, and most of the backlash will fall in Dylan herself. There are also a wide variety of alcohol companies that make lgbt ads, Jack Daniels, Absolut Vodka, and Smirnoff are big ones just to name a few. I think this is just one of the many times the right tries to virtue signal their outrage over LGBT issues, so they can seem righter than thou.
Also just to respond to the puberty blockers thing. I understand the hesitancy where Theo is coming from. If you're not exposed to trans people, hearing that some adolescents can be prescribed medication for trans issues can be quite a scary thought. But I ask you to dig a little deeper and see past the sensationalized rhetoric surrounding this issue. No, a young kid or teen cannot go to a doctor's office and get hormones after one conversation with a doctor. There are a wide variety of steps that one must take before they can even be considered for them as well, usually this involves a year at least of therapy, a signed letter from said therapist, and at least 6 months to a year of social transition. When I started hormones in liberal NJ, I was required by my doctor to have socially transitioned for a year and get that doctors note that I talked about before that social transition is usually the first thing that a potentially trans kid is told to explore. Try out a new name, present your clothes in a different way, etc.. After all of that a decision is then made between the child, their parents, and a physician/endocrinologist. Like all medical decisions, it should be up to the patient, their parents if they are a minor, and medical professionals - NOT THE GOVERNMENT. The science is there if you're operating in good faith and it costs nothing to treat trans people with respect and dignity, especially in the climate that we live in now.
Apparently it cost Bud Light $5B’s to treat that dude with respect and dignity 😂
@@shaunacasale3311 the stock went down 3 bucks and it’s up today. they will bounce back
She? He’s a guy. A he
@@floppydong295 and you are a floppy dong. A floppy. Dong
Gays are not the same as trans lol, don't lump something natural with something requiring medical intervention.
Gays, Bi and lesbians should be lumped in with straight people tbh
Should iust be TQ+ HAHAHA
Just let people live their damn lives.
“Throw on some overalls” damn, stavros knows his non-binary people lmfao
@@PRR-ny6eq overalls are dope, cope harder
Tbf he's been living most of his adult life as a fat toothless lesbian so he knows the demographic.
The best part of this is Stavros making fun of Kid Rock, not knowing Theo is friends with him lol.
The best part is Stavros doesn't know fuck all about business. Busch's stock is down over 30% since the dumb marketing stunt.
What a no balls having fat idiot!!! Doesn’t have the balls to call out this fake transformer!! Fuck Dylan and anyone who won’t call this sick shit out!!!
Kid Rock light's up a bag of potatoes on a couch next, lol.
F Kid Rock
Kid Rock grew up rich. Google "Kid Rock childhood home".
The non-binary person naming themselves “Sock” is so accurate
For the record, Kid Rock was nowhere near middle class. He was wealthy as fuck since birth. Unless you consider a 22 room house, with horses, a barn, in ground pool and tennis court to be middle class..
lmao how did his image become trailer trash. odd choice but i guess he knows who will be buying his records
Not a fan of Kid Rock, but he's playing a character. It's theater, and he's very good at the role. And he knows his audience. Dude is shrewd.
Yeah who tells false stories of being poor.. when they were young???.. in Scranton?. . with corn pop?. ..😅
@@tharp42 yeah coming from rich shrewd people you learn to be shrewd
What’s the problem with him coming from a wealthy family?
Pleasently surprised with how thoughtful and respectful this was. I kinda get some of theos hang ups, but his willingness to learn is really reasuring.
I always find comments like this funny because you dont actually mean "learn", you mean concede. Youre happy about his willingness to concede on this issue and not actually push back
@@adsafgasgasdfasdfAre you triggered? Maybe you should go somewhere else if you don't think this is a good conversation.
Theo is the Ted Lasso quote, "Be curious, not judgmental", personified. I think that's why i respect him so much.
Theo kept coming back to the trans stuff LMAO. You conservatives are really obsessed with this shit.
Pushing transitioning on children is evil
@@Porklion you’re right. Good thing no one’s doing that
@@hamburgler227 All kinds of videos of parents speaking to the school boards about indoctrinating, and sexualizing children. A MAYOR just told one school board to either resign or be charged with pedophilia. Children are testifying about their horrible mistake of getting their breasts removed (transition surgery). I have no idea how you don't know any of this - OH WAIT, YES I DO, you only watch, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC and the BBC. And you're probably a fan of TYT and the NEW YORK TIMES. Transsexuality is a very big agenda, WOMAN OF THE YEAR - BRUCE JENNER? It is all madness, the feminist of all people, are okay with MEN stealing their awards. You are aware of the GIGANTIC CONTROVERSY over MEN PRETENDING LIKE THEY ARE WOMEN and then destroying all the women they compete against? BECAUSE THAT'S FAIR ACCORDING TO THE LEFTIST CLOWNS who have no idea what is happening in the world. Please note; GIRLS ARE NOT PRETENDING TO BE BOYS SO THEY CAN BREAK RECORDS! Trans vs Trans sounds like a solution to me - but no one will go for it because it doesn't piss enough people off.
@@hamburgler227 people are most fucking certainly doing that, and you goddamn well know it.
Theo seriously is one of the few people I’ve seen that can genuinely question anything from a space of really wanting to just know in a way where there is zero justification in giving him shit. Like any question he asks even when he’s joking my head just goes “ohshit he just really wants to know I hope someone gives him a good answer.” Lol
You need to see more people.
Most people are like this. Talk to your neighbors or people in your community. Get off corporate and social media. Try to avoid services that recommend you content
@@seanstars6637 says the guy surfing RUclips for people to troll
He inspires me to continue thinking this way. Sometimes, it feels like I'm the only one.
Yeah he def has his very own sense of humor. The names he gives things are hilariously correct lol
“I think the mullet is a nice non-binary look” 😂😂
I thought he said Mullen lol
I cackled. Hilarious
And throwing on a pair of overalls.
😂😂😂
I screamed 😂
Theo is really, really fucking smart at how he approaches these socially driven subjects with questions that spark a conversation in a way that people can openly converse with each other with opposing viewpoints.
He’s incredibly intelligent
Empathy has a lot to do with it. Put yourself in somebody else's shoes. It's not that hard, but a lot of people are too lazy to do it anymore
@@dogchaser520nah. When children are involved and the ministry of truth. Forcing by law you to believe someone else's delusions as truth. You can keep your God damn shoes
@dogchaser520 Most people are reptile demons who lack the capacity, hence war and poverty.
Yea he really is. Although it’s hard for even Theo to make this guy interesting. All he wants to do is repeat talking points not have a conversation.
I will continue to not drink Bud Light, not because of who's is on the can, but because of what is in the can.
I will continue to drink bud light bc I like the taste but the trans stufff I don’t support just like I don’t support underage drinking idc what they put on the can what they put on the can doesn’t have anything to do with what I believe in so it shouldn’t be a issue i just want to drink a cold beer after a hard day of work but I feel like this shit is going way to far over board also how do real biological women feel that a male who pretends to be a woman is woman of the year lmfao
@Tobias Saibot I heard it's transexual bath water
Rice beer is most American beer!!!!!!!!how are du!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sooo brave of you... Lol
agreeed hahahah
This is how 2 people with different views have a respectful conversation kids
Our boy Theo a lot smarter than he acts
Nah, he is smart in his actions and wisdom.
No way bruh
Theo’s always been smart. You must be new
Actually he realized this guy's stance and pulled back. He was testing the waters to not offend him and once he realized his beliefs he could barely talk and the stutter fest began. Believe what you want but when you see someone afraid to even talk about it, that's a problem.
He is but most of his fanbase is similar to that of Larry the Cable guy.
This is a better and calmer conversation than has happened on cable news in the past 25 years.
Stav is so left. Theo was biting his tongue in some instances and the rest he’s just not knowledgeable
@@brians2811 are you mad everyone doesnt have the same opinions as you?
@@codingwitheric is Straw Manning the new Manning brother? I'm sure some bland coder knows more about this than someone whos actually met and is friends with the very people they are discussing. Nice video thumbnails, you get them from coolmathgames?
Theo played nice to pacify his woke friend. Stavros is gonna pander for popularity.
@@sheridan7475 it’s true so much insincerity in the podcast world just a buncha smooth talking wise guys
The funniest thing Theo said here was that owning a car dealership is middle class
A refreshing conversation. 👍🏼 The media needs to chill on trans people. I just want to quietly live my life as a trans woman, not be in the middle of a political warzone. We're only small minority of people.
You aren’t a woman though
@@DogfartNetworkk you aren’t loved by your parents either
@@DogfartNetworkk it takes absolutely 0 effort to be a decent human being. just mind your damn business and maybe you wouldn’t be so affected by someone else’s choice of lifestyle.
No you dont “Just” want that. When it comes time to vote for someone who supports transitioning kids , cutting off genitals , giving hormone therapy to children. You’re going to vote in favor of that instead of against it because of who you are. Trans or not these things are currently happening and the left (majority of who trans Vote for) are allowing it and even encouraging it. Doctors are making a fortunate off of transitioning kids (who statistically come to regret the decision). SURE BE TRANS no one cares what fully grown adults do. But when it comes to minors like leave the fucking kids alone.
@livs Quit fucking with children and you will.
I was pleasantly surprised at how empathetic and thoughtful you guys were
Have some empathy for the children Theo wants to castrate.
Thoughtful? 🤣🤣🤣 fat boy was parroting leftist horseshit
Crazy when you watch more then a 2 second sound bite
Stav is the best, finally a mainstream comic who is based and empathetic
@@valdewar8093 it's an act lol
As someone with trans friends who i love dearly I appreciate the charity and empathy you guys showed in talking about this issue.
Thank you, this was such a respectful way to go about with this topic. You brought up a lot of seriously good points.
Damn. Stav and Theo hitting many intelligent, refreshingly honest points with regards to having their finger on the pulse of society. Im impressed…
Stav is hittinh many intellegent points, theo is friends with Kid Rock
And we've now discovered that Stavros is gay ! Or bi
@@user-nj1zu2nf1x youre the problem
@@man.itz.ashtonhe is gay
@robertgonzales9036 he's hitting no.points. dudes got 2 brain cells and both can only come up with shitty comedy skits. Dudes never touched a woman in his life either so he's full of shit as well
“Being center-left, you have to support the trans community fully, without knowing wtf the trans community does”
-Nick Mullen
They teach little boys about cutting off their private parts. And what anal sex is. Not cool. WAKE UP.
They’ve really used that as a meme to evade criticism lol
What?
Nick Mullen
@nycguidovoice
If I had a trans son, I’d never speak to him again.
Because I would be speaking to HER.
that's a smart quote and very true. If you're not down with the trans movement then by they/thems definition you're on (IN) the right.
These are the two funniest non binary looking comedians in the game !
Incredible conversation, two people just chilling, calming talking about some heated topics 👏
I love listening to these two. Theo is non judgmental and open minded to a fault, and Stavy is low key engaged in politics and is insightful.
Hysterically & and ironically, this was probably the best conversation on the topic I have heard
Never would I thought stavi and Theo would interest me in the discussion of this topic.
No way… fat boy was just parroting leftist horseshit
Definetly ironicslly
Budweiser is just water that identifies as beer but is not committed enough to make a full transformation.
THAT'S what I'm talking about! Keep the jokes about Bud Light tasting nasty coming! 😂😂😂
I, as a 23 year old female with a husband who literally loves intense German beer, will continue to drink light weak beer😭😭
@@corablah9809 shiner bock sux...
Funny enough I actually saw somebody on another video who was post-op, saying people that didn't get bottom surgery were not really women LOL, oh the irony😂
It really is the perfect trans beer then huh?
Based comrade Stavros. Getting into class consciousness here.
My dad said it best. You will never see a company have an “exclusion and hate” department because they want to sell to everyone.
Great convo. A lot of ppl are just new to this concept like Theo and it’s nice to see stavros calmly explaining shit without being confrontational
Stavros is the best kind of ambassador for this shit to regular dudes
Stavros is right about the non-binary thing. I have so many friends who are non-binary in that they don't feel like either gender, but they also don't plan on getting surgery. The amount of people actually transitioning is still less than 2%.
When theo says “you young people” and the camera pans to stavros😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@13:48 him him
perfect example of how theo is a fucking genius
Great way to throw Asians under the bus!
I’m Korean-American & this is the first time I heard this. I thought there were tons of Asian trans. Older generations, not just Asians, used to place much importance in having a son but that type of thinking is changing. I’ll need to see what Bobby Lee thinks about that. Luv that Theo.
such a sensible conversation tbh this is how these issues should be discussed
My two favorite comedians coming together. Dreams do come true.
Lol right. I’d love to hang with them.
Stav? Really? That gay is fat and gay
damn your standards are in the fucking toilet huh
Stav sucks
Stavros is McDonald humor lmao his stand up is mid af
The only thing I get from all this controversy, is that advertising only works on simple people.
Tobias has the right of it. Everyone is influenced by propaganda, even when you're very well armed against it. (Advertising having been born out of the propaganda industry, especially as pioneered by Bernays, Freud's nephew.) Advertising works on everyone. Look at the clothes you're wearing, the things you buy, what you want without questioning. I have yet to meet a person who is immune.
@@dogchaser520 No, it actually doesn't. Lying can work on everyone, gaslighting can work on everyone but the truth. The truth can't be propaganda because the truth will have facts to support it. Unfortunately everything now is based on feeling. The fact is they lost 4 billion dollars but feel it's a good idea to keep going. Thats propaganda. There is a major difference between the truth and propaganda. It's simply based on facts. Thats why all of it fell apart. Even the master at it, Hitler eventually paid the ultimate price. The truth will always prevail. Unfortunately, most people aren't very fucking bright. Just look at the Balenciaga collection. People following trends to look homeless. Advertising and propaganda are similar but propaganda has a nefarious agenda. If you can convince people to spend $500 on a paper clip(Prada) you can convince an idiot to do anything. Unfortunately most people are not that bright.
@Tobias Saibot you're right and it's literally everywhere. But an individual can choose to pay attention to it or not. 5 seconds after I hit "skip" on whatever ad played in this video I couldn't tell you what it was for. I buy beer from a local brewery that doesn't advertise because it's convenient and I like the taste.
@@dogchaser520 im largely immune. dont buy big name brand clothes. food i buy is almost all basic produce/meat. for stuff like condiments or whatever i usually try the no name brands and compare rather than pay a premium for no reason. cars ive owned are based on things like fuel efficiency and reviews i read rather than advertisements etc... some people are definitely more immune than others to being influenced by ads. maybe no one is 100% immune but i'd say unironically i'm 99% immune.
@@gaysfortrump2024 I'm pretty similar. In fact, advertisements create brand aversion for me because I dislike being manipulated. I actively avoid buying branded products and somewhat secretly despise people who wear branded clothing. It's a prejudice for sure, but I can't help but feel the deepest contempt mixed with pity at seeing someone not just advertise a product, but pay a premium for the privilege to do so. The vanity of buying a branded product so you're not "off-brand" is so deeply pathetic that inspires revulsion in anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
Watching advertisements makes me feel physically ill, somewhat anxious, and occasionally furious. Nonetheless, that does still mean I'm being manipulated by the propaganda, but in the opposite intended direction most of the time. Still influence, though! You need serious training, diligence and critical thinking to try and separate yourself from that influence. As you say, you're still not perfectly immune. And at the very least, it affects others around you, which in turn affects your life through interaction with those people. They may provide certain subtle frames of reference that influence your thinking, propagating the mind-virus unconsciously, and you wouldn't even be aware it's happening. But fortunately, yes, we can train ourselves. Media literacy and propaganda resistance training should be taught to all children. This would also help avoid the "fake news" effect. Yes, of course all news is "fake" in that it's biased and has a motive. The funny thing with the "fake news" decriers is that they usually opt to get news from even more biased and propagandizing sources that lure them in through an addiction to outrage and smug superiority. Can't say I'm immune to that, either.
Here’s the cycle:
-Company makes some kind of marketing campaign that is vaguely socially conscious maybe either out of genuine interest to spread that message and/or to appeal to a certain audience.
-the audience it isn’t marketed to gets outraged and starts making a shitstorm over the Internet and on network outlets
-People on the other side flock to defend said business and/or call out the backlash, and thus the business gains a bunch of attention, notoriety, and thus money.
-Another company sees the fruitful opportunity of using social issues as marketing campaigns and thus the whole cycle starts over.
I feel like this kind of branding and marketing wouldn’t be all that intriguing if these company’s knew there wouldn’t be some kind of polarizing effect. You’re going to lose a certain kind of customer, but you’re also going to gain the respect and loyalty of another customer.
I'm in marketing, and to be honest, this kind of strategy isn't really rational from a marketing perspective. Choosing Dylan as a face of the company isn't congruent or synegistic with the overall brand image. Also, trends show younger people are drinking less and less, so it doesn't make sense to specifically market to them (which is the primary demographic following Dylan) at the cost of alienating your main customers.
Socially progressive marketing can be effective, but this type of brand is so far removed from the demographic that strategy appeals to that it doesn't work. It would be a good strategy for some kind of hipster-y IPA beer, but Bud Light is firmly positioned as a beer for male middle aged manual laborers and the like.
In marketing, one of your main priorities should be customer retention and building long term relationships, as this is where the majority of your sales will come from. Alienating your core base by drastically altering the brand image just for the sake of getting some awareness on Twitter and the news doesn't make sense.
Outrage can be effective in some circumstances to get into the news cycle, but you shouldn't outrage your customer base in ANY circumstance. An example of good outrage marketing would be Grand Theft Auto 5, which got into the news for its outlandish and provocative content, but this worked primarily because it caused ourage for middle-class, religious, surbuban mothers who are not the target audience, and it also helped reinforce the brand as this counter-culture kind of product which appealed to its target demographics.
It's likely this strategy came from a desire to boost their CEI score. It doesn't make sense from any kind of logical marketing standpoint.
tell that to the execs that just oversaw 5 billion devaluation of the company. anheuser-busch has one of the lowest esg scores on record. imagine paying billions of dollars to impress commies.
Yup ive heard it be called queer-baiting, baiting queer customers to buy their products by associating with the group through rainbow flags and shit
@@crossmarian773 but the majority of bud light drinkers are under 30, which tend to be more progressive or left of center. and the majority of people (i e. normal people) don’t give a shit about who’s on the can
@@crossmarian773 I get where you're coming from, but they didn't make Dylan the face of the company. They gave her a single can of beer with her face on it to post as sponsored content to her social media accounts. To be kinda honest, I think Bud Light miscalculated the rage this invoked in conservatives. Imo the response to Bud Light by conservatives is trying to send the companies a message that any support or collaboration with a trans person is grounds for the utmost retaliation.
It's nice to see a good faith discussion. Clearly Theo has hesitation around the subject, but was still respectful and tried to articulate real motivations of fear that people have. Stav pretty much echoed my exact thoughts on most of it, which is cool because I was sure where he would be on that. This is exactly how discourse should occur, good for them. It's a little concerning to me to see Theo gravitate to some of the right lately though. And here's the thing there's nothing wrong with hanging out with people i ideologically disagree with, people are more than politics, but some of these people are abhorrent, like Bar and Peterson. And those people don't deserve a platform imo.
I didn't know what to expect clicking on this but I was kinda pleasantly surprised by the conversation. Stavos has the right answers here for the most part. Florida only passes fear mongering bills.
Stavros looking like the basement dweller from a South Park episode
This is the most responsible conversation on the topic I've ever heard
Great dialogue between two people who trust each other enough to have it in the public eye
*transphobes seething in the comments*
No one is scared of trans people
There are no such things as transphobes.
The craziest part is finding out that the CEO of Budweiser was a marine, and then became a CIA agent involved in covert ops.
And now promoting a woke brainwashing agenda for money from Blackrock, promoting sex change Op's.
how is that crazy? it’s literally the norm for people in government to be offered well paying corporate jobs after their service. They’re often even promised jobs before their service is over to so that regulations will be made in their favor.
plus if you think the CEO of one of the largest beverage manufacturers in the entire world is paying close attention to a random marketing campaign then i don’t think you know what CEOs do lol
CEOs know what going on. They get briefed. They sign off on campaigns. Chill out
@@tylerdavis849 lmao no they don't. The CEO is leading a global 500 company that owns hundreds of international brands and thousands of products, he's not dilly-dallying on some random ass marketing campaign. he has way more important shit to do
@@WellActualllyyy I’m sure you’d like to think so. They get briefed.
It's weird seeing Stav being so well-spoken and not just cracking up laughing at calling someone gay.
Theo struggling to understand that grown men should not care about what Budweiser does with its ad budget. Grown men should care about governments intruding on people's liberty, wealth inequality, environmental justice, and the abysmal state of American healthcare.
This ^^^^^ 🙏🏼🙏🏼
as a trans person this conversation was a little clumsy but I'm glad to see theo of all people essentially say trans rights.
Seek therapy
In the words of the great Michael Jordan. "Stop it, get some help."
Every single trans person I have ever met has been super fun to be around and nice as hell
That’s why the right wing is so obsessed with trying to stop trans rep in media and these topics being taught in school. They want us to be a faceless mass of hysterical degenerates who hate every value you as the average citizen hold dear. As soon as you hear a really good joke from a trans person or a story about them having car troubles or their fishing trip they had last week you start to see them as people with hobbies and struggles just like you.
That doesn’t mean they aren’t insane 😂.
I’m sure Ted Bundy seemed nice too
@@bryce9083 wtf same applies to you….
@@Puppy_Puppington exactly it could be anyone, but much more likely to be the mentally ill like the gender dysphoric 😂
@@bryce9083 my best friend is trans. I’ve known her for 3 years and she’s a lovely person. Don’t slander trans people as “crazy”: it’s just not true and a very damaging idea to propagate.
trans rights are human rights
Fuck that
@@milesharris1893 womp womp
not for long
@@Playmaker_Baker true
Says who?
Man as a trans dude i really appreciate this video. Thank you theo, its nice seeing a comic whos just a normal dude with no political agenda whos accepting of the trans community or at least tolerant of it. And honestly i appreciate the point u made about trans ppl being over represented in the media, because when i compare how things are today to when i transitioned like 13 years ago, i swear things are worse now because the media has already given ppl and opinion of me and ppl like me before they even met me. So i wish they werent trying to cram trans stuff down everyones throats and just let us live like normal ppl. So thank you for mentioning that. You kick ass
I think this is something that could fit here, but my counter argument is "pandering vs reprisentation". As a trans woman, I love it when I see a good story with a well written trans character that is authentic. I do not like to see "filler episode with guest character you'll never see again who is trans so we can fake caring and give half woke statements about loving yourself with no consequences to anything aren't we great".
People judged trans people before they had as much time in the spotlight. And that judgement was rarely pne of peace, love, acceptance or tolerance even. Representation, good representation, does wonders. Capitalising on a group of people you don't understand so you can say a lot of things while saying nothing, does not help.
The whole "shoving down throats" thing is bullshit and was enough for me to suspect you are lying, but I'd rather treat a liar sincerely than an honest man as a fool. Isn't the lack of trans people in media forcing cis shit down our throats? Everything is political until it's accepted and normal. This argument rings empty.
Men can’t be women. And women can’t be men. Go to therapy.
@@bryce9083wow you really gottem with this one bryce
@@skyistaken1605 idk, from my perspective i see weird little things that seem like the representation is forceful in ways it doesent need to be. Like my little sister in law was playing the hogwarts legacy game and sironas character is trans right, and like i dont care i thought it was cute. But LITERALLY, as shes playing it i stg all the npc’s were like “have u talked to sirona? Sirona is so cool. Sirona is so funny” like jesus christ lol. I mean it just feels so fake. They commodify us, its almost always a marketing ploy. I can imagine as someone whos cis and is on the fence on trans issues, even little shit like that would just be so annoying. Or having caitlin jenner as a trans icon 😬 hopefully i dont have to explain that one lol. But like im not against trans representation lol. I just dont think representation is equal to liberation if that makes sense. All that capitalism has to offer trans people for “equality” is representation. It does very little to actually benefit my life. Like I said in my first comment, i feel like life was easier for me as a trans person when there was less media attention in general because people got a chance to know me before having an opinion on trans issues already. Hope that helped clarify.
@@savannnnnnah not really 🤡. It’s basic science taught to 6th graders well at least it used to be taught, now students don’t know what to think.
Again. Get help.
I respect Theo and think he's genuinely sharing his opinion and being open to others, but "people who are unsure will see trans people and want to become trans" is only an issue if you see being trans as a problem
I wonder what Stone Cold Steve Austin thinks
Fr😂
Them two birds
Best comment
Stone Colds based af
Stone cold drinks coors brother...now give me a he'll yeah!!!!!
Theo said Kid Rock grew up middle class his family owned car dealerships. If you're dad owns car dealerships, you're not middle class lol
The fuck? That ain’t working class dude
I can see Stavro transitioning
Just to correct Stavros’ on the period tracking comment 😂 It was actually 2 separate news articles that through the grapevine, merged together into one story.
First, a Florida high school almost made it a rule to answer questions about your menstrual cycle to play on women’s sports teams.
Second, since all this AI scare is happening and the Roe vs. Wade event, women have been telling each other to delete period tracking apps to prevent proof of criminal activity in states where abortion is illegal.
Hope this helps, love you so much Theo! ❤
Are you telling me there wasn’t a “don’t say period bill” ? 😂
@@kimmi8389not sure?
He also said that swimmer “cut his nuts off” to compete with females. Not true, he still has male genitalia and shared locker rooms with biological women, with no warning. Stavros said a lot of shit that he was wrong about.
@@PurpleTitties oh wow! such a misinformed man.
@@PurpleTitties yeah Stavros appears to be a lefty and just doesn’t understand that the general public doesn’t like this shoved down their throats
The trans swimmer was getting naked in the women's room and still had her male parts. The women said no one told them so it was uncomfortable. I do think this woke movement is hurting gay, trans and even racial issues. People are becoming less open minded and now feel like we are the enemy.
*his
Woke crap hurts everyone imo. I don't care what or who someone wants to be.
But as an adult biological female, I do not want a person with a penis in the bathroom or locker room with me. Get the boy parts taken off first.
It's also very insulting that people are being named women of the year , especially the ones that still have a penis. When women like me have been women all of our lives.
As for children, there should be no sexualized content anywhere. Drag shows, strippers, books and talks about sex, gender, gay, trans, straight, etc. Idk what they can't just be little kuds.
You are the enemy of reality and nature
@@White_Breeder wow so brave
"her male parts"😂😅😂😅 well that is the issue isn't it?
Stavros def swings that way
Was thinking the EXACT same thing
100%
what’s wrong w that
Yeh he openly does... he’s straight and he ain’t scared of trans women unlike urself?
@@lythyboo oh hush
This talk help me view some points I haven’t thought about before! Great podcast!
Honestly, Would you let Stavros watch your kids? lol
Why not? Better than a transphobic religious zelot watching them🤷♀️.
Close up or with binoculars?
If I knew him for years, yeah sure. Why not? He's self-secure.
He offered candy to my kids the other day, I heard them yelling “stranger danger” I looked and I seen starvos speeding away in a white van
Hell no.
The whole Bud Light thing is weird because it was just a one and done ad that if it hadn't been blown out of proportion, only that trans influencers followers would have seen it 😅, it was in her instagram I think, so who would see it? I sure wouldn't have.
yeah people were incredibly reactionary about it
Bud light deserves the boycott tf y'all talking about?
@@adammockler Many people say this like their somehow any different.
I'd say blowing stuff out of proportion is a regular part of modern advertising, aka attempting to go viral (wasn't a coincidence)
13:48 Theo's setup is so smooth watch the joke sink in as Stavs laugh grows in intensity.
I love Stavvy’s ability to explain things without coming off as confrontational
This is literally the last two people I would EVER expect to have a serious, sincere conversation about transgender people
idk he says no one would ever mutliate themselves to win something, but i look at all the plastic surgery instagram girls get and i have serious doubts.
@@nullakjg767 his take on that is completely ignorant. thats not the point of the other argument.
When did beer and politics ever mix well anyway 😂
In Germany it's working out pretty well though...
Jimmy Carter's brother
Only the bigots are making it political
@@sarahhughes4437 oh whatever.
I think the overall point of the conservation is that this shouldn't be a political issue. There are trans people on both sides of the aisle.
It really is just a very small percentage of people that are trans. I personally know only one and have never met another one. But I also have never encountered one of those crazies who think that being trans is a cool trend.
This idiot just threw out random percentages. 1% of people are not trans.
Hell,1% of americans arent even trans.
yes, its a very small percentage and yet theyre winning all of the awards, becoming sponsors of all the companies and were waiving the trans flag above our nations capitol. the people who think being trans is a cool trend is the younger generation, up to 20% of them.
Nearly one in five people who identify as transgender are ages 13-17.
The percentage and number of adults who identify as transgender in the U.S. has remained steady over time.
Our estimate of the number of youth who identify as transgender has doubled from our previous estimate.
@@DoTheHuman My nephew says its a fashion statement and half the kids in his class will say they are trans or gay just so they look "cool" and then they are rewarded by the staff for being a brave robot.
Stavy is such a fuckin babe for this. Best fat greek guy alive, so wholesome
Theo is such a handsome looking guy. I wonder if he knows that
Dude what?
I agree.
Majority of trans is still attracted to the opposite sex. So if a man transitions to a woman they are still attracted to women. It’s very complicated. I have experience with several being a makeup artist in the 90s. Even drag queens are entirely different. Most identify as gay who perform in drag theatre. My experiences with individual men who sought me to help them transition-revealed to me how much of a fetish it was to them. Ex: sexual gratification from wearing lingerie to then complete transition to women in public. And these examples are just a few on the dozens I could mention. I think parents have a right to be concerned and trans conversations do not belong in schools. Let kids be kids and not burden them with this.
I think he does
He thinks he is an 8. But since his burnout last month he is approaching 6 real fast. He needs sleep, a peeling, some glutathione and less calories.
Interesting move having Ron Jeremy there, very insightful
The dude that looks like a pedo stereotype making fun of pedos is the best joke.
correct
Hahahaha!! I was thinking the same thing!
I can't believe how almost nobody is pointing out how creepy this dude looks. And a hardcore leftist. What a surprise
Which one? 😂
Live and let live seems like common sense but somehow a lot of this country makes other people who do no harm to them the source of their misery.
I feel like the bit about having no girls not being attracted to you resulting in you thinking there's no chemistry with women so your only option of finding love is with guys is so spot on for me. Like I had bulimia in my teen years and had such low self esteem I went crazy and hallucinated girls thinking that I was cute then ugly for like 7 years straight. No joke every class period at school for 7 years was "acceptance," "rejection" over and over again. Before my eating disorder I knew I thought girls were pretty. This was even after when I was sexually assaulted as a kid. Like to this day I thought I was gay and maybe I am but maybe I'm bi.
I feel like you’re speaking to me. I’ve lived my life as a gay guy and now I’m like… maybe I’m not as gay as I thought. I always thought of myself as obese and disgusting and just assumed that a woman would ever want to be with me sexually. My sexual experiences with men have been meh and in my last relationship I almost never wanted to have sex while my boyfriend wanted to have sex like twice a day; it put a bit of a strain on our relationship. I had to evaluate why I have always felt my relationships have felt “off” in some way and then I was like… maybe it’s because I am not as attracted to men as I thought I was and maybe it’s because I am thinking about women a lot.
@@DanEMO592 Given the natural world's need for "Man plus woman" I'm inclined to think "straight" is everyone's default and it is our environment that determines attraction. Sexuality is CRAZY complex. The "born that way" narrative seems less science-based and more like it was born out of desperation by the gay community as a reaction to the hate that gay people receive. (It's harder to hate someone for something out of their control.)
When i was younger And ignorant we had a roommate whom was gay. Not one of my issues with them had nothing to do with his 'prefrence'....but when he acted like a shitty person.....We had 'Clashes'.
Humanity needs a morality check.
People are Just people....Anywhere you go on this planet.
Thanks to you both for the episode.
Trans people can be shitty too lol no side is without it's faults or people that make everyone else look bad
Can't see what you wrote....must be hiding. All the best. FATE , 'Finds' us all.....AND those we leave behind.
People who can't define their personality from their biology are inherently annoying.
Whom was gay?
Damn homie has never actually heard someone out with a different opinion
Yeah, it's a big wide world outside of the narrow-minded gaze of the Rogan podcast narrative. That thing is an echo chamber. Good on Stav for entering this circle of podcasters and holding onto his own opinions. Many won't.
@@shauncowell6215 Bwahahahahaaaaa.
@@shauncowell6215 um.. what??
@@shauncowell6215 this comment section is a shithole man fr, im suprised at the lack of historical awareness from people here at all. do people not see the "facist" undertones of anti-trans messaging?
WTF! Ron Jeremy out on bail. 😂
This is the first time I've listened to stavros outside of his standup, super smart and I like his views and his crowd work is refreshing. This guy is going to be at the top. Lessss go
Buckle up then! He just seems like good people.
Then Kid Rock is seen with a Bud Light the other day. He did grow up affluent. Kid Rock is a total grifter.
Look at stavros. Point made. Lmfao
Every psychological topic that comes up, Theo is "well I know I struggle/d with that too" 😂
Stavros seems like the kinda guy who could rock a good face tattoo
Seems like the kinda guy I wouldn’t trust around my kids.
To greasy
@@ronstephens9620 v fat
@@NittyGritty420 but what if the kid consents, I mean come on relax man who cares?
because why not? He couldn't be any worse looking lol
As an Asian I’m doing a disservice to my country every time I watch Theo
I lova that Stav is slowly sliding in some class-consciousness
ironic because under neo-liberalism tr*nnies are the single most counter-revolutionary category of people. Literally would not exist under any other system, therefore they have to perpetuate it.
Stavros is a literal communist and has been for years. He’s not slipping into class consciousness, he’s just been hiding his power level
He's been like that
Yeah, he’s going wherever the wind takes him. Although, it’s quite convenient that his opinions are the same opinions held by everyone else in the entertainment industry.
@@piss_blood3191 lol what? you're gonna have to explain that one, chief
Stavros... not every trans person has bottom or top surgery, or has taken hormones that 'level the playing field.' And it's a trans person's fundamental right to take the physical form that is most comfortable to them. It's not a fundamental right to participate in sports, and it's definitely not fair for someone to compete in oppsite sex sports when they have already developed physical characteristics that give them an unfair advantage. All that said, I always will fight for the rights of trans people to have safe, happy, healthy lives... we have to be fair and realistic about things that are not fundamental.
someone tell Stav that you don't have to cut it off😂
I was going to say... Stav, Lia still has a penis. Ask the rest of the swim team how they know.
too late now
Not only did kid rock give them free publicity, the bar he owns only servers Anheuser Busch as domestic choices. Really showin them. Ball wit da ball
He also mentioned in a song (when he was over 30yo) how much he loves underaged girls and says statutory is mandatory. Pretty much an open admission to being a groomer. 😬
@@peepeepoopoo2749 lol go look at their stock rn
@@bishopmoore1266aged badly
I stopped drinking Bud Light long before Dylan Mulvaney endorsement so I wasnt effected when this was supposed to he an issue. But my reason for not drinking Bud Light was it tasted exactly like Budweiser I tried to compare and I did a blind test. So for me the company I felt was being dishonest by upselling the same swill via marketing, they try to convince you it tastes different. I couldnt tell the difference.😂 American Beers are either IPA bitter af or generic swill that's all the same but overmarketed.
I switched to Leinenkugel Shandies, I thought they had a better more citrus taste rather than boring generic wheat hops beer. I tried Coors too it they are ok but too wheat based not enough citrus to balance.
Used to tell the roommate....when you feeling down because someone took a 'swing at your prefrence'...remember When you are COMFORTABLE within your own skin nobody can hurt you.
Its WHY honesty is So important.
Sorry for my 8 cents.
brave of theo to interview a FtM given recent events
Thing is tho Lea Thomas or whatever was a fully intact male for competition just on hormone blockers. The women that had to change in the locker room with him were the ones that said so.
Stavros got triggered af at one of his comedy shows at some dude who wasn't even heckling him he was just responding to a question of "do you have any adversity you're facing?"and the man said something about him being a white male (honestly the man was just being funny at a comedy club. Who knew that's not the place to do it?) And Stavros lost his top.
Does that make you feel like a victim? It seems like you’re objective is to make people feel bad for a white dude (indirectly you).
idk, it just kinda seemed like a light-ribbing. From the clip Stavros also seems to have misunderstood what the guy was trying to say, so yea I def think it wasn't really warranted tho
Theo just quietly mimicking all the conservative talking points, about these issues being "shoved down our throats" and stavvy having a point to come back to every time was impressive.
Riiiiiggggghhhhhhhttttttt
I understand the outrage about aunt jumyma just like I don't understand it against bud light. Don't like it don't buy it case closed. Both sides have lost their minds everyone is perpetually grievanced. Being offended is the new hip thing. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Case closed.
Not that I have anything against rainbows but when I first heard about it I was sorta on everyone's side like I don't mind it but it ain't gonna be cool to walk around the bar with rainbow trying to get chicks. But then I read they aren't changing the cans it was just one special can that they made for one person. And it's hysterical that people would even care about that lol. Flakes of snow everywhere
What I got from this is, if theo had been born in a different time he would have been transsexual instead of in a cult... for a little while
I'm trans. Most of us are just trying to chill. I just wanna smoke, trip, and play videogames, like anybody else.
@1234 abcd for a moment, try to imagine what it would be like if being ur biological sex was a mental chore everyday. ur hormones out of line, anxiety & feeling uncomfortable. it’s literally just about having empathy towards another human. then it’s easy to not care about what others do as long as they’re not harming anyone
You are what you were born as
@@yaego The issue is everyone’s anxious and uncomfortable. That’s no reason to mutilate your genitalia. I think our culture has made people so depressed that they aren’t happy with themselves. Instead of actually fixing the root of the problem, society has convinced people something is wrong with them. But at the core it’s systemic, economic even.
Food has become to easy for some humans to acquire nowadays....
@@dkatomski as a trans person, I'd like to weigh in. You wouldn't understand what it feels like BECAUSE you are not transgender. There are so many things to be depressed about in society like you said, most I would agree are systemic and economic. Being trans is an additional level of anxiety that you feel as a result of feeling a mismatch in your birth gender. For me and many other people, we run away from this fact about ourselves for a long time. We may recognize these feelings to some degree, but addressing those specific feelings would mean ALOT of work and explaining to people constantly where you're coming from. I tried therapy, I tried getting in shape, I had a successful cisgender and heterosexual relationship; however, none of these things addressed this fundamental part of myself that I tried so hard to push down - and trust me I tried so hard lol. When I started coming out and living authentically, the other stressors and anxieties you talked about didn't go away. But being able to be who I am, and finally able to see someone in the mirror that reflects what I feel inside, makes the sum total of everything so much more bearable. I can only say that for me, starting hormones was like taking my first full breath of a air for the first time in my life. Also you shouldn't call it mutalating your genitals, unless you also refer to any surgery as mutilating your body.
THEO NEEDS CONTRAPOINTS ON THE PODCAST
Stavros “didn’t that guy grow up rich” Halkias
It's wild he notices kid rock's upper middle class money but not his bff Hasan's family FORTUNE.
These two really hit on it towards the end when they said insurance won’t cover anything they’ll do anything they cannot to cover something, and look at this if you want to prove that profit motivates medical help you couldn’t get a better example than this situation we’re in with trans numbers exploding there’s so much money behind it
Plus surgeons and doctors gaining patients through tik tok. So disturbing
And the loony pills are a boon with the trans community.
Left handed study debunks that chief
@@Confusedn1NJA The left handed study doesn't debunk that... trans numbers are growing at that rate ONLY for the age group of 14-21 year olds. (Most of which are white middle class) So for the left hand study to debunk that, the amount of left handed people should have only grown in that age group. It didn't, there was a rise across all age groups and demographics.
@@cassidyopeia2586 gee I wonder why that age group would be the highest, is it because socially it has the least amount of hurdles? Much like when left handed happened, most people that it spiked with at first were those young enough to not have a stigma? Geeeeeeeeeeeee
If you want to be trans, live your best life. I’m not fan for trans in sports but I love these two have a heavy conversation.
Why?
Yeah, can you elaborate why? Genuinely, just being trans doesn’t give you some magic advantage to be good at sports. Everyone is built differently, some people are going to have an advantage just based on their body type alone. I.e. taller people are probably gonna be a little faster in running sports, so should that not be allowed either?
@@alttabsStarting off a biological male gives you a huge advantage in most sports over biological females.
There are absolutely zero trans males running over biological males because starting off as a female does not endow benefits.
It’s not rocket science. It’s obviously not ok for a trans woman to compete against biological females unless those females agree to do so.
If the biological females want a crack at them then there’s no victim. Otherwise there’s an obvious victim.
@@evanquinn3691
Ok, but there are women born with abnormal testosterone and bone size/density. Should we put them in the male category? Plus, the “male” swimmer in question DIDN’T BREAK ANY RECORDS OR EVEN WIN, so what’s up with that?
@@alttabs Have you not been paying attention to all the trans women who have destroyed biological females in sports?
Stavros is my guy now. Him and 'Gay Actor Michael Douglas'.
Theo is a wise dude
Everybody in this world just wants a comfy couch. We all want the same things for a good life. Chill out, and remind yourself you don’t need to get in the way of someone tryna get a comfy couch, tryna get the same things that we all want in life
yes, we all want to smoke camels and get a sex change
(the hormone therapies + surgeries are being marketed to children, might want to consider that for a second)
@@_munkykok_ I'm willing to bet you have an iq less than 100
@@_munkykok_ no they aren’t. And if you seriously think an AD could make you change genders, you were already there to begin with.
@@_munkykok_ What was the last time a surgery was marketed towards you, yourself?
"About 5% of young adults in the U.S. say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth" That's a freaking shockingly huge percentage if you ask me.
Yes, considering 1% of the US equals over 3 million people, that’s an enormous number
5% is over 16 million
are you advocating for the number to be lower? the percentage of left handed people went up when cultural opinion shifted, then it leveled out. most likely this will peak and level out
@@sheridan7475 there’s not 330 million young adults in USA so it’s not 16 million
@@sheridan7475 it’s more like 3 million