Finish Rock Tumbling 12x Faster!
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Want to spend only 30 minutes to burnish your rocks instead of 6-24 hours?! This method not only is 12x faster (or more) but works so much better! I found a method that I have been using for several months to burnish my rocks using an ultrasonic cleaner. It gets all of the microscopic grit out of the tiny holes in your rocks leaving a smooth finish when your done tumbling! I found a perfect heat, soap, and time to get your rocks squeaky clean. 🧼
**I did receive a comment talking about safety when using an ultrasonic cleaner with rocks. They said it was important to never let the items in the cleaner touch the bottom of the ultrasonic cleaner base, so this is something I will be changing in my future uses. They also said that there is a risk to the rocks shattering which could become dangerous. I only use the ultrasonic cleaner outside and other than this video, am never close to it when it is on. So I plan to stay away from cleaner in the future and probably use a foam cooler over the top while it is on just in case. Please use this method at your own risk! I am not personally worried about it with myself, but I did want to let you all know!
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This inspired me to shop for an ultrasonic cleaner for a few projects including my new love of rock tumbling.
Little trick I picked up cleaning my carburetor in the ultrasonic, put just the rocks in a zip lock baggie with some water and cleaning solutions. Place the baggie in the ultrasonic and cover with water. Doing this makes it so you don't have to use as much cleaner. Less waste :) cheers love your videos
I have an ultrasonic cleaner and never thought about using it when I tumbled rocks. Thanks for the tip .
My suggestion is that you remove the ceramics, so they don't fall to the bottom of the cleaner. I have also heard that transferring from cold water to hot water quickly will further compromise any fractures. Let the heater in the cleaner gradually increase the heat. Additionally, some rocks will fracture in the ultrasonic, so I keep the timer at 5 minutes initially so I can have a look at them before going further. Don't get me wrong, I love watching the grit leave the rock; something so satisfying about that 😊 . But I still don't bypass the toothbrush/dental pick cleaning before submersing them.
Yes I think I will remove the ceramics for next time! I do have to do better with not going from hot to cold and vice versa!
Ariel! I just found ultra sonic cleaner baskets! 3 sizes, 1.7", 2.5", and 4.3" all for $9.99 on Amazon for your smaller stones. I just got my ultrasonic cleaner today, and I just ordered these little baskets! Thank you for your ideas!
What!!! That is so awesome! I will have to check it out!!
This is a super cool tip. I took a break from tumbling but with winter her I’m going to give it another go. I may even try out this method. Thanks 😊
Hi Arial. Like you I have been experimenting and using this method for a few months now. It really is a game changer! Have been telling people in some of the facebook groups about how well it works. Keep up the great vidios you are posting! I learned so much from you when I first got into Tumbling! Thank you do much.
That is so great to hear! I’m glad I could be helpful!!
Thank you for this recommendation - It does make sense and I'm looking fwd to picking one up. It will be very handy for cleaning cartridges and components for reloading ammo, as well as jewelry etc - so I guess I'll 'pull the trigger' and get one. THANX!
I have learned so much from your video,thank you for everything you do..❤
Thank you for sharing. Great results.
Thank you so much for watching! If you found this content helpful-I would love if you liked, and subscribed!
**Please also see the video description for an update on using rocks in an ultrasonic cleaner.
Nice. I have an ultrasonic cleaner for cleaning Jet Ski carburetors. I was wondering if it would work for rocks. We just got a rock tumbler for Christmas for our 8 year old daughter.
Two things to keep in mind when using the ultrasonic cleaner. You don't want the objects that are getting cleaned to be in direct contact with the tub of the cleaner. Always use the basket and make sure the rubber feet are on the basket. Things that are hard that come in direct contact with the tub can wear through it. I picked up a plastic basket that I use. Another think to know about the ultrasonic cleaners is that the temperature will keep climbing. That don't stop at the temperature set point. Unless they fixed it. So people that are used to putting their rocks in a machine and leaving them for days might find that it boils the water out if you leave the heat side on.
You can also put the rocks in a zip lock bag full of water and set them in the basket with water in the machine and it will work. For some items this means you can use less cleaner. Can save you money on cleaner for small parts that you clean in expensive cleaners.
Wow thanks for the idea. I have a lawnmower with a gunky carb, so when I buy my ultrasonic cleaner for rocks I'm doing that carb as well.
ha ha ha! such a newbie to this and your channel...I've been mentioning Dove dish soap in comments. I figured out on my own. Self taught here...trial and error on zero budget. I've been known to put a few stones in my husband's vibrating dry tumbler with walnut shells...for tumbling bullet casings
I love this idea. Thank you! I've always wondered about using one of these and I think you proved that you can save time and get a better outcome.
Yes I really love it!
That was my suggestion about 14 months ago. My big Branson actually blew up its transducers because of doing exactly what you just did. Hot water thermal expansions over and over and once the garage got cold 🥶 the cracks appeared.
Let the internal heater slowly change water temperature. That’s my this year advice.
Oh good to know! Thank you!
That was super interesting and that was a great idea to try such a thing.
I purchased this Ultra-Sonic cleaner and with just water was amazed how my stage 4 and 5 rocks cleaned up. I’m going to try Ivory soap and Borax next. Thanks for sharing and Happy polishing😊
That is awesome! I hope you like it!!
Oh thank u so much. That is a great idea. I will have to try and get one. Because the it would be quicker in between tumbles. Thank u again
Of course! I love how much time it saves!
nice!! ill spend more money for more equipment. i cant wait for results! tyvm ily
Hello from Australia! I love your videos and am learning so much! I am a beginner with absolutely 0 experience but tumbling is definitely something I’d love to get into! I hope you’re working on another tumble with me series soon - they’re my favourites!
I will have to start one again! It has definitely been a while!!
It's funny I have been watching rock tumbling for a few weeks and wondered why nobody used an ultrasonic cleaner for this stage, and maybe an initial dirt removal clean as well. I'm still looking at getting a tumbler, but since I already have the ultrasonic cleaner, this saves me purchasing one additional item. I thought rocks in resin, my other hobby, would look great, so I'm toying with the idea of getting a cheaper one and giving it a go.
You can also add your tumbler barrel & lid to the UC if it fits.
Ariel, those are so beautiful! I am a noob who tried tumbling laboradorite and they turned out not so good. Any other tips besides the sonic cleaner? I think this will be a game changer for tumbling most stones. Thanks for the tip!
Very nice I've used this method be for it works nice thanks for the video. Thinking out of the box can be fun 😊
Definitely!!
Very cool!
Thank you!
If there's a better way, you will find it. Thanks for sharing great tip. Be happy, safe and stay healthy 😊 😷⚒
Thank you!! You too sandmaker!
I just bought one of these units. Have a fine copper mesh I can place in the basket to avoid objects on the pan bottom.
Great video and your experiments and how to videos are great. Been tumbling for years and love learning new things.
Hi Ariel, I hope this works for you. You shouldn't ever place anything on the very bottom of an ultrasound tank. Why? You run the real risk of working a hole through the metal bottom, especially with rigid items such as rocks. That should have been mentioned somewhere in your owner's manual, which you should read very carefully. If you do a five-minute search, you will find occasional mentions of glass shattering. This is more often than not due to imperfections in the glass. Many of your rocks will behave like imperfect glass, and especially along those fracture lines that you point out in your video. The danger seems to me either remote or at least unlikely, but the danger is real, and reported in the scientific technical literature. I routinely used ultrasonic cleaners in my 40+ years in the laboratory, and most of the items I cleaned were glass BUT I was using very expensive laboratory-grade Pyrex and the equivalent, never ordinary borosilicate glass, which would have concerned me. If I were ever presented with the option of running regular borosilicate, I probably would have declined to subject it to ultrasound. I would not run any of my tumbled rocks in my ultrasonic cleaner (yes, I have an expensive unit with timer, heater, multiple frequency settings, etc., for my fountain pens). When I feel I need to clean my rocks, I just give them a couple of hours in shaved Ivory soap. PM 2023
Oh wow! I did not know all of this and appreciate you reaching out. I will include this information in my video description so others can see it as well.
Soap made from Elephant is illegal, he is an imposter and most definitely an intruder. I truly believe this Ancient invented LSD in his pyrex boil at work too. Like who the hell has Fountain pens other than Capitalist.@@AgateAriel
What if you put the rocks in a mesh bag and made sure the bag is tucked into the basket?
@pambifoss948 The mesh bag could carry grit, though, and just more surfaces that could cause cross-contamination. Just my opinion! TUMBLE ON! 😁👍🏻🪨💦
@@AgateAriel the Imperfect Glass effect was the first thing that occurred/terrified me as I watched (though I imagined it more like a mineral de-lamination). I recommend keeping any stones you cleaned in this way separate from others in case the process created microfractures or whatnot. (I'd also love a geologist to chime in about long term effects like that. I'm very curious)
Hi Ariel
I just wondering what kind situation agates can be created? Like volcanic activities must be existed?
Thank you
Good idea😊
I love the idea and will definitely put it to use. I'm not sure of the "danger" others have mentioned. I mean really, how many thousands of batches of rocks are you going to go thru before you actually wear a hole in the tank? And then what? A leak? I guess you could step in the water and slip...
My question is why are you using the ceramics? I thought the pea gravel was the way to go like you said in a recent video
Yes it is! I had left over ceramic media from before I made the switch and I had heard labradorite is a really difficult tumble so I figured I’d use the ceramic. I have been using only the pea gravel ever since I discovered it though for my normal tumbles!
@@AgateAriel awesome I was hoping you were. I can't wait to try it this winter when I ramp back up again! Thanks for all the great tips. I really enjoy your enthusiasm in your vids!
Hi Ariel, would it be possible if I tumble my Jade Bead Bracelet which already have holes in the middle ?
I am curious. Can we use a Deburr Vibratory Machine to polish rocks?
As mentioned you should be careful about placing objects directly on the bottom, or for that matter the sides too, of an ultrasonic cleaner. There's a high risk of wearing through the metal interior.
I think its good to tumble wash them too if the stones can handle it. I ultrasonic, tumble wash, then ultrasonic again. I feel like the rubbing action of tumbling washes them in a different way that neither could be best at both.
That is a good point! Maybe I’ll try that next time!
Can u use a chip dip fryer to do the same as that
That's cool
Agreed! I love watching the bubbles too!
I love rocks. Rocks rocks.🎉
That is so awesome I've heard of it but to see it working is too cool.
It’s really cool to watch it in action!
i love your smile :)
Vinegar to get that burn out. Just rub it with basic white vinegar. I use this to clean maple sap pans.
Have you ever used this to clean rocks after you've washed them by hand (ie from the beach), and before you begin the tumbling process?
@agateariel use jetdry instead of soap or borox
Awesome information!! Thank you!
Of course! Hope it was helpful!
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the super thanks Peggy!!
A better idea is to have a separate barrel for each step.
That way you only have to rinse the rocks.
What type of cleaner do you use?
Is it ok to soak rocks in vinager
Have you had any issues with surface cracks after using that?
My wife and I just purchased the ultrasonic cleaner you put a link to in the description. Should be here later this week. Thank you for this tip. We, no lying, probably have 1 or 2 years of rocks to turn running our tumbler 24/7 so this will remove a week or 2 of cleaning them the old way.
That is awesome! I’m so glad I could help!
I'm from Minnesota and my collection is made up of rocks (including many agates!) that I've found in parking lots. 😂 I'm only just getting into tumbling now that I've built up a decent collection, and your videos have been so useful in getting me started. I bet an ultrasonic cleaner would be perfect for rocks I don't want to tumble, since scrubbing and vinegar-soap baths can only do so much. What do you think?
I really like it! It seems to do such a great job getting off all the extra grit!
Great video, looks like it works great, I’m new to tumbling, I have a 12lb tumbler and I have for my four stages of grit 60/90 then 220 then 600 then 1200 but heard from many to finish with 8000 grit, what is your thoughts, and if so do I go from 600 right to 8000? Also seen your video on using aquarium gravel instead of ceramics when tumbling, how has that test worked out, thanks again you videos are very helpful.
I haven’t experimented much with different grit sizes other than poly plastics and 1000grit! I probably wouldn’t do that big of a jump though, but you could always try it! I really like using the pea gravel! This video I went with the ceramic media since I had some left over and labradorite is known to be a difficult tumble!
One of the flaws with Polly Plastics is the polish is only 1,200 grit. 1,200 is a great pre-polish, but it's never going to give you a great shine-it's simply not small enough... Real polish isn't measured in "grit," it's measured in "micron." With grit, the larger the number, the smaller the particle size. Whereas with micron, the larger the number, the larger the particle size. You want your final polish to be 3 or 4 micron, or lower (8,000 - 5,000 grit, respectively). The grit progression that I use is as follows (SiC = Silicon Carbide, AO = Aluminum Oxide):
60/90 SiC
120/220 SiC
600 AO
1,000 AO
3 micron AO (TXP)
.3 micron AO (#61 Rapid Polish)
Burnishing between stages is a myth. The only time you need to clean more than just a quick rinse, is right before you run final polish. Running cleaning cycles put your rocks at greater risk of being fractured / chipped / cracked. The longer they're in the tumbler, the more of a chance to incur damage. Also, grit wears down over time. You may start out with 60/90, but as time progresses, the particles fracture, and get smaller and smaller. The grit then wears down to 120/220 size, then 400, then 800, etc... So if a few pieces of grit were stuck in a crack, and then got loose in the next stage, it won't be long before they fracture so small that they basically dissapper. They certainly won't be around long enough to hurt your batch of rocks.
Dear Mz Ariel as a newbie to the rock/glass tumbling hobby, where do you suggest I start? I’m landlocked so no way to acquire materials. I’d really like to know more. Do you have a FB pg and/or email? Love the videos you’ve shared and your way of presentation. A big THANK YOU !!!
I love buying rocks from the rock shed! I don’t have a fb but do have an email if you check my bio!
I'm sold.
Love it! Let me know what you think!!
great idea, I will get one too, Idea, why not put the rocks back into the barrel and put the barrel and all into the sonic? seems like you can get birds on this one
That actually might not be a bad idea!!
Great idea, and thanks for shoeing us how much grit really bunnies out. I'll be ordering this cleaner today.
That’s awesome! Let me know what you think!
That’s awesome! Let me know what you think!
We are Tumbling over 21+ pounds of Rocks and using a 5lb vibratory tumbler . What is your preference on Polishing polish- cerium oxide, tin oxide, or ___?
I actually really love Polly plastics!!
Blue bunnie polish? I use creamed honey polish. 😊
What size cleaner is that, link shows 3 sizes. Thanks
3L!
labradorite is soft and can get damaged by ultrasound, other stones are much harder and safe in an ultrasound... anyways
Oh good to know!!
I've pit my hand in a ultra sonic.cleaner while.on nothing happens other than dirt coming off your hand
Bought mine and it was on sale today lol
Yay! That’s awesome!
I wonder if a finer mesh in the basket would work so nothing is touching bottom?
That might be the best idea! I’m hoping to try to find something like that I can use!
Would a cloth mess work?
Mesh
Have you seen my email on getting you the Slag Glass and Horn Corals?
Oh my gosh yes! Sorry! I read it and then forgot to respond. I am still interested!
Hold on, stop. I thought aluminum oxide was the polishing step. Is there another finer polish out there I should be looking for?
It is! There are different grit sizes though. So that was I believe 1000 grit aluminum oxide, then I do 1200 grit aluminum oxide 😊
Alumina oxide come i various grits (and qualities) just like SIC do. I usually go from 80 grit silicium to 1200 grit silicium and polish with a finer alumina oxide.
Have you tried this with cleaning dirty raw specimens?
I have! I actually have a video on it if you want to check it out!
Can you Clean Rocks in an Ultrasonic Cleaner?
ruclips.net/video/qtWr5s0SigA/видео.html
Sorry must have missed that video! Thanks
You can put your hand in the cleaner while runny it will feel weird or almost like your getting poked but the amount of dirt or dead skin that comes off even a clan hand will surprise you
Really! I’m too scared to try it haha
Give us a close up of them in a pile at the end..
Click bait. A more accurate title would be burnishing rocks faster. But I get it. I barely heard of an ultrasonic cleaner so thanks for the video
It's not clickbait. She hasn't claimed anything that isn't true. Try her method before commenting next time.
I left my tumble on for a whole week once. When I opened it up, I had marbles.
why do you want the rocks to stay wet inbetween the cycles?
Water keeps any grit still on the rocks from hardening and ruining your tumble batch! You don't want any grit transferring to the next stage as it will scratch the rocks.
@@CacklingChick is there any way to get it off once it has hardened?
@kronosis2767 You can try soaking, then scrubbing them with a wire brush, but not sure that will get it all. You could also try the ultra sonic machine, but I think once it's hardened, it's done. I hope that helps!
Yes @cacklingchick is correct!
@@AgateArielLove your community, Ariel!!! 😁👍🏻🪨⛏️
looks like the rocks you put in were already cleaned in tumbler.
Some stones shouldn’t be put in ultrasonic cleaners because they can crack
I you have a P.O. box id send you some rocks from Mississippi
I do! You can send me an email if you like and I can get it to you!
I just bought some raw labradorite now i have an excuse to get a tumbler.
Right!!!
You’re doing it all wrong. The pros use a Mini Sonic tumbler. Takes about a week start to finish. 20 yrs experience here. High shine.
Where do I find one of these?
Um, sorry but if you would have simply added borax in with your grit and polishing Cycles you wouldn't be WAISTING TIME AND MONEY with that overheated and needless product. I use borax in with every cycle (making burnishing simply just an additional precautionary step at this point) plus I burnish but never have dirty grey burnish water even after several days of burnishing. I've had productive results for years.
Oh, and it's hard to take anyone seriously who has a tumbler barrel loaded to the very tip top of the barrel with rocks as a cover photo for the video 😂😂😂
Oh, come on, be nice. We newbies need help and cheaper ways of doing things. How much borax do you put in with your grit and polishing stages?
At least two teaspoons with a 3-pound barrel and at least two tablespoons in with a 12 lb Barrel but borax is forgiving so you can use it as liberally as you want. using more will only further thicken your slurry which is also good.
A real pro wouldn't need to be so snarky
I have spent so many hours scrubbing rocks with a old tooth brush.😢 thank you for letting me know there is a easier way. Now I have to invest in a ultrasonic cleaner. Not sure if I'm glad or sad. Jk I'm glad
I used to do the exact same thing! Tumble them in soap, then inspect each rock and scrub with an old toothbrush! It took forever!