The Cavern of Chaos TRILOGY has come to its 3rd and final act, will the cave finally get the best of us or will we fall to technological complications. Do we have to learn to romhack Pikmin 2 in order to even beat this game? After almost 8 hours of traversing the Cavern of Chaos, will it be enough to end the series? If you all enjoy this content you already know how to support me :D
When the title of the video said "Waterwraith Massacre" I expected some pikmin to die. I did not expect this man to kill a hoard of Waterwraiths with nothing but intense salt like they were the world's ugliest slugs after spending the better part of a workday willing them into existence. No viewing experience before this has made me more befuddled, angry, and I won't lie, a little scared. God Bless.
I realize I'm late to the party on this (and you probably already know this anyways), but I believe I have an explanation as to why the game acted like there was no treasure on floor 24 (Pikmin singing, treasure gauge off): In vanilla Pikmin 2 Submerged Castle, there's obviously treasures on every floor and one inside the Waterwraith. But since the Waterwraith can't be killed until the final floor, the game is coded so the treasure gauge shuts off on the previous floors to prevent major confusion for the player and prevent them from needlessly attempting to kill the Waterwraith. My guess would be that that same behavior was carried over, and since they appear long before the final floor, the game says there's no treasure on the floor, despite the fact there obviously is. You can even see that after killing the first Waterwraith, the treasure gauge turns right back on and functions normally. Not sure if the creator knew about this little quirk in the game code, but my guess would be 'yes'. As for why the Waterwraiths didn't spawn, I think it was simply a manner of not waiting until the timer for them to spawn in counted long enough (unless there was something legitimately wrong with your particular hack file that I just didn't pick up on).
now that was a good finale. can't wait for the dream den movie where treasures won't spawn and pikmin go oob, and also the cool floor and the other 2 floors too :D also had no idea that you were streaming at that moment, i would've probably gone there and gotten a better look at what was happening. turns out everything was acting pretty normal. and for those just casually reading the comments, that was indeed me in my friend's discord. he pinged my backup lul
Yeah when I was asking about the rollers i was under the assumption they were glitched waterwraiths so i thought getting the treasure was impossible, thank goodness it wasn't
@@realHeff not sure if you even found this out later, but i noticed that you used purples to try to destroy the rollers when put in front of empress. you declared it impossible, but i kinda wanted the purples to take the radar towards the rollers so they could 'raise' the rollers up that way. i wanna believe you encounter this strat later on with regular enemies or bosses, but what if i told you...you can bitter the rollers, thereby making bitters a sometimes necessary requirement? xD
the sped up bulbax kingdom snipet got me for some reason, don't know why find it funny. Still loving these, really makes me want to play, but exams are a thing so I'll see during holidays. Continue the good work!
Yeah this RUclips series feels like it’s been a war against pikmin 2. I just got pikmin 1 for the GameCube and it’s coming in tmr. I can’t wait I’m about to play it for the first time since like 2008. Can’t wait to get pikmin 2
If they wanted to be extra evil, they could've made a dungeon that's full of elemental barriers in water so you need bulbmin but they only give you the exact amount of bulbmin you need. Make it a boss rush but make it so water wraith spawns on each floor if you take too long. Then the final floor could be a water wraith fight but the candy pop flowers are all yellow so you have to use yellow pikmin to destroy an electric barrier but there's a fiery bulblax in the way that you have to punch to death.
that's what I would expect a hack like this to be. using the mechanics of the game in creative ways. instead this is just a frustrating mess of enemy spam and a pointless blackhole of sublevels that serve no purpose other than to frustrate you. I really think the caves should have been only a few sublevels, maybe 5 max, but seriously challenging, and you're almost required to fight all the enemies to get to the next sublevel.
@@bennybroseph I feel like the main issue is that this hack never fully commits to just being bullshit hard. Like yeah I'd prefer what you suggested, but that's clearly not what this hack is going for, and that'd be fine if it actually fully went for it. There's been so many oppertunities to make the player's life worse that the hack just doesn't go for. So it ends up in a weird middle ground that doesn't really work in either way.
@@TheWrathAboveyeah Lands of Torture despite being a little easier than Kaizo feels more like a Kaizo mod with the intention layouts and stupid buffed enemies even if stuff like giving you the Treasure Gauge mid game makes it overall not as hard. There’s also far less resetting since your aren’t being thrown into insane situations as often that tend to bloat the difficulty in a pointless way
It makes sense, I guess... the ship does say that whatever it is, the Waterwraith doesn't show up on its scanners/sensors, and so any treasures are hidden inside the Wraith. I wonder if this is actually how it works in normal Pikmin 2?
I think that's how it works in vanilla pikmin 2 because if not there's a good chance the waterwraith in the submerged castles earlier floors would have triggered the treasure gauge
Hey love these videos so I wanted to tell you I got in contact with paddy via discord and he has a better version then the one you are using now he updated a few things like adding something you wish you had all through out this playthrough it's called speedy kaizo I'll have to see if I can get you the link to it but I asked him questions about some treasure and enemies placements and I asked him if he could put the treasure gauge in the emergence cave in valley of repose he said yes and so he updated it sent it to me and yeah in the updated version the treasure radar exist in the first cave! So that's definitely good
Kaizo is well designed in order to trick the mind of the player and use game mechanics in creative but unintended ways This hack isn't Kaizo it's just unbalanced trash
The Cavern of Chaos TRILOGY has come to its 3rd and final act, will the cave finally get the best of us or will we fall to technological complications. Do we have to learn to romhack Pikmin 2 in order to even beat this game? After almost 8 hours of traversing the Cavern of Chaos, will it be enough to end the series? If you all enjoy this content you already know how to support me :D
This is the only time in history that someone has said 'The ideal situation is that seven Waterwraiths spawn' without a hint of irony or sarcasm.
LOL
Lol
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Who would have thought someone would have said "I'm so happy to see you buddy ;D" facing seven freaking Waterwraiths...
When the title of the video said "Waterwraith Massacre" I expected some pikmin to die. I did not expect this man to kill a hoard of Waterwraiths with nothing but intense salt like they were the world's ugliest slugs after spending the better part of a workday willing them into existence. No viewing experience before this has made me more befuddled, angry, and I won't lie, a little scared. God Bless.
I like how the last treasure you got was the essence of despair
10:31 love Kaizo or hate it, *THAT* was absolutely golden.
"Safety :D"
*THE GIANT ENEMY SPIDER-*
[Safety Denied]
And ABSOLUTELY perfect timing🤣👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The real treasure was the friends you made along the way
or rather.. the ones you plucked and died
Like the pilleated snagrets
The head in hands while chat above says "how do bulbmin hold things?" Is terrific.
Lmao cant wait until he gets to floor 50 of Dream Den where he inevitably just quits.
you managed to beat the cavern of chaos with the power of friendship and teamwork. Disney would be proud if they knew who you were.
I realize I'm late to the party on this (and you probably already know this anyways), but I believe I have an explanation as to why the game acted like there was no treasure on floor 24 (Pikmin singing, treasure gauge off):
In vanilla Pikmin 2 Submerged Castle, there's obviously treasures on every floor and one inside the Waterwraith. But since the Waterwraith can't be killed until the final floor, the game is coded so the treasure gauge shuts off on the previous floors to prevent major confusion for the player and prevent them from needlessly attempting to kill the Waterwraith.
My guess would be that that same behavior was carried over, and since they appear long before the final floor, the game says there's no treasure on the floor, despite the fact there obviously is. You can even see that after killing the first Waterwraith, the treasure gauge turns right back on and functions normally.
Not sure if the creator knew about this little quirk in the game code, but my guess would be 'yes'. As for why the Waterwraiths didn't spawn, I think it was simply a manner of not waiting until the timer for them to spawn in counted long enough (unless there was something legitimately wrong with your particular hack file that I just didn't pick up on).
now that was a good finale. can't wait for the dream den movie where treasures won't spawn and pikmin go oob, and also the cool floor and the other 2 floors too :D
also had no idea that you were streaming at that moment, i would've probably gone there and gotten a better look at what was happening. turns out everything was acting pretty normal.
and for those just casually reading the comments, that was indeed me in my friend's discord. he pinged my backup lul
Yeah when I was asking about the rollers i was under the assumption they were glitched waterwraiths so i thought getting the treasure was impossible, thank goodness it wasn't
@@realHeff not sure if you even found this out later, but i noticed that you used purples to try to destroy the rollers when put in front of empress. you declared it impossible, but i kinda wanted the purples to take the radar towards the rollers so they could 'raise' the rollers up that way. i wanna believe you encounter this strat later on with regular enemies or bosses, but what if i told you...you can bitter the rollers, thereby making bitters a sometimes necessary requirement? xD
Interesting that the Waterwraith doesn’t activate the treasure gauge until death. Is it like that in the main game?
Most likely so that the guage doesnt go off in the first 4 floors of submerged castle after getting all the treasures
@@laggianput it kinda has an explanation in-game too because the Waterwraith is basically invisible to scanners.
It's an interdimensional being that cannot be scanned in canon. So. Yes.
the sped up bulbax kingdom snipet got me for some reason, don't know why find it funny. Still loving these, really makes me want to play, but exams are a thing so I'll see during holidays. Continue the good work!
and here i was thinking we would never get something as massive as the Bulblax Kingdom
Yeah this RUclips series feels like it’s been a war against pikmin 2. I just got pikmin 1 for the GameCube and it’s coming in tmr. I can’t wait I’m about to play it for the first time since like 2008. Can’t wait to get pikmin 2
If they wanted to be extra evil, they could've made a dungeon that's full of elemental barriers in water so you need bulbmin but they only give you the exact amount of bulbmin you need. Make it a boss rush but make it so water wraith spawns on each floor if you take too long.
Then the final floor could be a water wraith fight but the candy pop flowers are all yellow so you have to use yellow pikmin to destroy an electric barrier but there's a fiery bulblax in the way that you have to punch to death.
Dang, that would be impressive and difficult...
that's what I would expect a hack like this to be. using the mechanics of the game in creative ways. instead this is just a frustrating mess of enemy spam and a pointless blackhole of sublevels that serve no purpose other than to frustrate you. I really think the caves should have been only a few sublevels, maybe 5 max, but seriously challenging, and you're almost required to fight all the enemies to get to the next sublevel.
@@bennybroseph I feel like the main issue is that this hack never fully commits to just being bullshit hard. Like yeah I'd prefer what you suggested, but that's clearly not what this hack is going for, and that'd be fine if it actually fully went for it. There's been so many oppertunities to make the player's life worse that the hack just doesn't go for. So it ends up in a weird middle ground that doesn't really work in either way.
@@TheWrathAboveyeah Lands of Torture despite being a little easier than Kaizo feels more like a Kaizo mod with the intention layouts and stupid buffed enemies even if stuff like giving you the Treasure Gauge mid game makes it overall not as hard. There’s also far less resetting since your aren’t being thrown into insane situations as often that tend to bloat the difficulty in a pointless way
This trilogy was so engaging, fantastic content you got here 👍
“How do bulbmin hold stuff” was perfectly timed
It makes sense, I guess... the ship does say that whatever it is, the Waterwraith doesn't show up on its scanners/sensors, and so any treasures are hidden inside the Wraith. I wonder if this is actually how it works in normal Pikmin 2?
I think that's how it works in vanilla pikmin 2 because if not there's a good chance the waterwraith in the submerged castles earlier floors would have triggered the treasure gauge
2:08 nice neck crack, best one I’ve heard this week.
Man, imagine trying to find these treasures without a guide or radar.
Loving this channel. Struggled to complete normal Pikmin 2 😂😂😂
honestly these caves dont look fun to play through anymore
10:31 safety!
Salt level 13 let's gooo
“Essence of despair”
I couldn’t have said it better myself to end this trilogy
This is the only time a sane person wants to see multiple waterwraiths
This is the only time I will ever see someone greet a Waterwraith with a smile
When I read the title: "Waterwraith Massacre", I never would have guessed you would be the one doing the massacring
When those water wraiths died it was like peace restored in everyone.
“I’m a streamer I’m not that SMART!” So real
I woulda liked to see the whole hour it took to get to level 24.
The Plasm Wraith wouldn't have been s**t in Pikmin 3 if Alph had Purple Pikmin with him, fr.
Yeah, but Pikmin 3 Purples Lost thier 2X damage multiplier and the stun ability
10:30
SAFETY!
*THUMP*
*EXHALE*
Ay, my boy quote balrog was mentioned!
Hey love these videos so I wanted to tell you I got in contact with paddy via discord and he has a better version then the one you are using now he updated a few things like adding something you wish you had all through out this playthrough it's called speedy kaizo I'll have to see if I can get you the link to it but I asked him questions about some treasure and enemies placements and I asked him if he could put the treasure gauge in the emergence cave in valley of repose he said yes and so he updated it sent it to me and yeah in the updated version the treasure radar exist in the first cave! So that's definitely good
That intro was spicy af 🔥🔥🔥
The water wraiths fear him.
4:43 UNSEE UNSEE UNSEE (the white pikmins are banging the clogged hole)
I noticed you just randomly had the treasure gauge and never showed you getting it. Where did you find it?
I may be stupid btw, Might missed that part of the video but I can’t find it
There’s a timestamp :D
@@megaxbomb._.2091 you managed to watch the beginning and end and skip the middle entirely, congrats.
@@handtomouth4690 Well I may have zoned out a bit so yeah
Remember when we thought getting the gaiger counter was hard
WOOOOOOOO congrats!!!!
Rule number one of programming: nothing works. Everything is awful. Run for your life.
We're in the end game now boys
i hate that i love you
Thank you….?
Random af but I typed in “company president” on a translator and it translated to “shacho” in Japanese. The more you know lol
So that’s why it took so long
*Laughs* It’s 12. Killed me
So wait ? The game was glitched and didn’t reveal the floor had a treasure
10:30
Tbf when I think Kaizo I don't think "well-designed" I think rage inducing.
Also you basically bugged the devs for no reason, lol.
Kaizo is well designed in order to trick the mind of the player and use game mechanics in creative but unintended ways
This hack isn't Kaizo it's just unbalanced trash
😲