What's wrong with what we eat | Mark Bittman
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2008
- www.ted.com In this fiery and funny talk, New York Times food writer Mark Bittman weighs in on what's wrong with the way we eat now (too much meat, too few plants; too much fast food, too little home cooking), and why it's putting the entire planet at risk.
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Yeah, I like his quote about animals. ..."the time has come to stop raising them (animals) industrially and stop eating them thoughtlessly.
Brilliant talk - covers all the main issues in a witty and succinct way!
17 years later we all appreciate how this guy was on point!
fantastic, I love the tone of this talk, much more logos than pathos
This is excellent, he pretty much sums up all my reasons for being a (semi) vegetarian. It's not the consumption of meat I have an issue with, it's the process it takes to get on one's plate and the thoughtlessness with which it is consumed.
An excellent video!
@Gardyloo -
While I agree with you (I'm vegan myself), I think that from a pragmatic view, Bittman might be taking the right approach. Tell people they should eat NO meat, and 95% of your listeners will dismiss your ideas without even considering them. But tell them they should just eat LESS meat, even a LOT less, and a sizeable percentage of them might actually listen to you, and some may even choose to act. Two people eating 50% less meat has the same effect as one person going vegetarian.
no, if he says that then no effect will happen. The protests in making them leave meat doesn't make them abandon eating meat but instead makes them lower its consumption as it affects them mentally and guilts them. If he says eat less meat, then people wouldn't understand the gravity of the situation.
Thank you Mark - Your voice is more than welcome - and may I say very well said! I hope its not too late.
Great great talk, thank you!
Thanks for that insightful contribution.
Really liked your video!
I've listened to this a couple of times and I think that Michael Pollan has defined the issue in as even handed a way as possible. My choice in life is to eat vegan. I wish everyone would. Realistically however, what we need is for meat eaters to become highly discriminate in their choices. Go for quality over quantity and cut way back. So...all my meat loving friends, I encourage you to really think about how much and how often, and what kind of meat you will consume.Learn about factory farming, learn about feedlots, and let that knowledge guide you in your consumption of meat products.
Rita Butler so well said!
Fascinating, thanks.
Thank you Mark Bittman! Down to earth truth.
"Less meat, less junk, more plants." I'll take that in my mind!
The only way to stop factory farming is for people to reduce their meat intake, this is a very hard problem to solve.
No it only involves getting _people_ to do it themselves....
The easiest way would be printing a picture of the slaughtered animal on the meat package. I don't think anybody would still buy it.
+Carolin Mönch Kind of reminds me of the disgusting pictures you see on cigarette boxes.
+John Morgan its impossible now - sadly...
Matt O Was it not impossible some other time?
I wish i had the land, I'd love to live on a few acres off the grid. I herd of lasquita, a off the grid village of about 400, under an hour away from Vancouver,BC on an isolated island.
Great talk.
This was a remarkable talk, thank you Mark - I mean, you were preaching to the converted in this case, but the wealth of information condensed into 20 minutes provided a lot of food (no pun intended) for thought :)
I have been studying nutrition for a while now. I have taken classes in college and continue to study on this subject. As a vegetarian since 1981, and more hours in school in nutrition I feel I have some knowledge in this field. Do not let one video sway your wisdom. Go out and see the whole picture from those who have the wisdom and are not biased by money. I am 50 years old, in very good health, very physical. I work out in the gym every work. I am very strong. You are what you eat.
最近才知道這個TED網站, 我看這些主講人的演講跟簡報,來磨練自己的講課工夫.
今天看到這段關於少吃肉的主張,我印象中已經有一段時間了. 但是看到本尊跟原本的片段
Mark Mittman 使用的數據雖然是舊的,整個演說卻很有力量,
我過去在食品製造業作過總經理幕僚,說真的看到這樣的主張,我想很多人會頭痛的
不過,該改變的就得作
The enlightened individual is way ahead of the curve and clearly on the right track. The information he seeks to spread is widely known among many groups of people. I can only hope is wisdom becomes adopted by more societies for all our good.
Good words.
This was a pretty good talk about food
Awesome talk! Great job of squeezing lots of important info in. Thank you for speaking out for the animals and the earth and our collective health! :)
You might also find this TED talk interesting
"Tackling diabetes with a bold new dietary approach: Neal Barnard"
love Mark Bittman...
awesome!!!! thx for the great enlightment! A Zija distributor in Lexington, KY
Cowspiracy on Netflix!
Very enlightening.
Jennifer Ly joe told me not to
This is very informative. Thanks.
I actually switched to a vegetarian diet 18 months ago and now eat a mainly raw vegan diet. The best choice I ever made.
the change comes from each one of us.
this made me actually get up and eat an apple and an orange. Great video, not all that many videos make me do that.
Brilliant reminder... and evergreen in every sense.
I enjoyed what he had to say well said x
Brilliant!
That was very interesting.
just FYI, did you know your taste buds regenerate once every week or so? and that they actually develop to match the molecules of the food we eat. So you can actually train what tastes good by what you eat, in about a week. I think about how wine initially tastes awful(my experience), and later people just love to savour it. (I still don't like it.)
Don't see it as a challenge, look at it from the the other side of the problem - from this side it can look like an impossible task, but when we actually do it, we'll look back and see what an amazing feat we achieved, so think from the otherside - don't get down on how hard it will be, get happy about how much good it will do
I think the key here is moderation. As with most things consumed, eating too much - of plants, even - inevitably leads to undesirable effects. One could eliminate the many things in life being consumed in excess, but then that would defy moderation and eliminate the benefits those things have to offer.
@reforest4fertility It's odd that Bittman says livestock production contributes more to greenhouse gasses than transportation, since transportion is PART of livestock production. Shipping the grains from the field to the feedlot, transporting the cattle from the feedlot to the slaughterhouse, shipping the meat from the slaughterhouse to the processing plant, shipping the finished product from the processing plant to the supermarket - I'd say transportation is part of meat production.
This is a good talk! I agree with what he is saying and I've been eating towards that goal myself. Eating smart and nutritiously is the best way to go about it. So many of us overcomplicate our diets with all sorts of craziness, ie most of the people I know who eat meat by the truckload, some of the people I know who eat only vegetarian or vegan or gluten free, no carbs, all carbs, etc. It's all too much nonsense and they all think they are right. Eat smart, its not hard but is delicious!
Can't argue with a word of what he says. After I stopped eating meat, dairy, and most processed food 25 years ago my health improved 100%. And a half dozen folks I knew with various forms of cancer who did likewise are still around today.
This is a lot more appealing than most other Health-food promotions I've heard...it doesn't sound cultish or fanatic.
Lmao ! you deserve a standing ovation
@DontTouchMyVicodin hahahha thats ingenious!
Good Advice
Does anyone know if I can find a transcript for this?
Nah
Even if we don't agree with everything he says and he isnt the best speaker on this topic, "personalities" like Mark Bittman are able to introduce ideas to people who would otherwise not have considered them and might be able to lead the person to take the next step and learn more about the ideas presented.
I always watch this talk when I feel like ordering a pizza or going to McDonald's. I've lost more than 20 pounds that way.
I am looking forward to your arguments..that shred this inconenvenient truth.
Plant based foods such as potatoes, oatmeal, and quinoa are excellent sources of protein, far easier to digest, etc. Have you ever tried hemp protein?
I plan on getting into permaculture within the next decade. It is one of my biggest goals in life. Most of the plants that I plant on my land will be edible. I also plan on starting a chicken coop, and raise some livestock with others. Hopefully it works out well, I will share all of my food with the neighbors and hopefully they will see that we don't need to depend on these huge corporations for survival..
thanks for posting!!!
Sorry, but four people don't eat 15 cows per year, as the graphic seems to suggest. Would be impressive if one person could manage to consume one all on their own.
Only the plants are LOADED with Round Up. I was eating a real whole foods diet, but I didn't know it was loaded with Round Up until it perforated my gut.
"Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes
nuff said
"... perhaps the stupidest food ever: Minute Rice"
Love it!
It’s not even rice 😅
@Masterphan I'm also not sure what you mean by the athletes I mentioned not being "products of their vegetarianism". Mixed martial arts champ Mac Danzig became a strict vegan in 2004, and since then he has racked up 15 wins and only 5 losses. In the last year I traded my desk job for one involving physical labor and I've gained muscle mass while sticking to my strict vegan diet, so veganism obviously doesn't inhibit growth. So I honestly don't get the whole "we need animal protein" argument.
@Masterphan The amount of protein we need varies by source (Am. Jour. of Clin. Nutrition says 2.5% of daily calories, Natl. Acad. of Sciences says 4.5-6.0%, Natl. Research Council says 8%), but they're all below the amount eaten by the average American, and are easily met on a vegan or vegetarian diet. Chicken breast tenders have 5.5 g protein/100 calories, cooked quinoa has 4 g/100 calories - less, to be sure, but not radically less. Tofu even has 13.5 g/100 calories!
@cheapshot1234 Indian food certainly contains a much wider and more flavorful variety of spices than American food (I love Indian food and actually cook it quite often), but I think what Bittman was referring to was the fact that the processed food industry packs tons of sugar, salt, and artificial flavoring agents into food to make it taste better than it really is. I agree that "spice" was probably not his best choice of words, though.
how bout pork?
i've been eating beef and coke for a long time i think its causing my daily headaches he got a point.
here for school
so personal responsability. gotcha.
The historical part is pretty amazing, but how many human beings needed to be fed back in the days? I support local diet, but I wonder if it could ever work in nowadays situation...
"Everyone was a locavore.." I recommend reading Mark Kurlansky's books, Cod and Salt, to learn about the amazing international trade of food products since the dawn of...trade.
@Anglehound you are to some extent right... but more carbon does not = more plants. what plants need, and also depending on the species, is often more complicated than that.
ill reserch the foods you have just posted thanks .can i get B12 from plants
thanks
mark
6 years later and we've confirmed 4 plant based sources of bioactive B12 (meaning absorbable and usable by humans consuming it). How many more will we find if we actually look for them? Considering B12 is made by bacteria isn't that likely that B12 was abundant before excessive sanitation - in water, in plants and in animals? I'd say yes, especially when you learn that 85% of B12 supplements are sold to farmers to supplement animals raised in unnatural conditions as even they are lacking in that vitamin.
True. And if you have a processing plant like I do in the area and want to by healthy meet it is less costly also to order part of the animal you want and split it with others and order a grass fed animal only. They are limited and ordering takes time however if you must have meat that is the best way to get a healthier product especially if you know the grower and what they feed the animal.
The only thing about this is that he's saying "DON'T EAT X, DON'T EAT Y", the Terry Wahls video showed exactly what we SHOULD be eating. This just scares me off choosing anything - he said cheese is bad, that we don't need any animal products - what about greek yoghurt?
This is a pretty good talk. It concerns me that he is still eating meat. There is no way one can raise and kill animals that could be considered humane. My thoughts are that we should reduce suffering for our fellow humans and other sentient animals on this planet. To that end, I am vegan.
Mark, go for it! Make your dream a reality and honor your inner knowing.Your created spark inside wants to burn brighter. You can create a garden in pots and herbs grow great in pots in a sunny place. I have a greenhouse and I grow herbs and vegetables. Yes, it is work, but knowing where my food comes from and what is in it, is my best protection towards a healthier me. I am a certified nutritionist and find that most people eat for satisfaction not for health. Accept each others choices.
Can you direct me to any Vegan dietary links I would like to try it but I want to have a full range of nutrients from non animal sources. I do however like to eat some butter and milk and eggs occasionally. I know that is not Vegan.
Hi i actually study CHD. Atherosclerosis is the main cause. Previously epi studies showed correlative links, however a raft of countries showed no links between meat intake, cholesterol and then athero and finally chd. Any study so far is merely suggestive, it is not fully understood and impossible currently to nail down one factor which is a definite cause. Whats more cholesterol and its intake are now more believed a reaction (to inflammation) rather than the previous thought cause .
I found since I stopped leaving my TV on while on the computer and generally watching less to no TV, I haven't had any cravings for food besides chocolate (which is my favorite candy.)
Some good examples are Oreo cookies and Dad's by Mr. Christie
@Masterphan Few plants contain all amino acids in balance by themselves (with quinoa, amaranth, and buckwheat as notable exceptions), but no one eats just one thing. Eating a variety of vegs and grains ensures a complete amino acid profile. For example, the amino acids limited in beans are present in rice, and vice-versa. So put them together and the result is a complete protein. Meat is a convenient SINGLE source of complete protein, but not therefore a superior one in terms of the total diet.
there is a dean ornish quote something to the tune of "you say it's extreme to switch to a plant-based diet... i say it's extreme to crack open your chest and perform open heart surgery"
Not very well put (how do you ultimately get away from the components of the plant), but possibly means that you're better off eating plants than eating "junk" and taking supplements, i.e. the "ingredients". For example the beta carotene in carrots might be bound up or with just naturally combined with other stuff we don't know about that makes it work better or better for us.
I've already cut out fast food from my diet. Kinda preaching to the choir but it was interesting I guess.
You don't realize how many other foods are available out there until you actually try a vegan diet. It's a whole other world. You also develop a much more sophisticated palate as you try so many different combinations of vegetables, nuts, fruits, cereals, and legumes. I made a vegan cheesecake that was better than any other cheesecake that I've ever had before I was a vegan.
He's trying to reverse the horrible affect that the industry's marketing have had in the last 40 years or so. That's quite a challenge.
"Eat food, mostly plants, not too much." - Michael Pollan
(Part 3)
Especially for people in my generation, who were raised on the idea of the "four food groups" (fully HALF of which were animal products - one group meat, another group eggs and dairy), there is tremendous psychological resistance to the idea of thriving on a purely herbivorous diet.
tangent - b12 can be manufactured in adequate amounts by healthy gut bacteria. the b12 in spirulina and seaweeds are molecular analogs, and not true b12- they don't treat b12 deficiency and can make it worse.
Not neccessarily. Vit A is of concern, since, from what I read, most people bodies are not very efficient of converting carotines to retinol. Essential fatty acids may also be, but about that I'm not sure.
If one were to eat only animal products, what vitamins and minerals would they be deficient in? (meaning it would impair them, not that it would be below RDA, which is essentially baseless)
@thefredsociety Potatoes, rice, pasta, semolina, oats, polenta, legumes, mushrooms, nuts, fruit, avocado...etc. It is easy to reduce meat intake. Plus the extra variety is both delicious and a refreshing change.
@bakcompat So because of one thing he said you are disregarding the whole lecture?
I love how defensive people get over their diets. I used to be a chef and a meat eater. I hated , what i perceived to be, the narrow mindedness of vegetarian ideals. After some changes in my life, I began to question my lifestyle choices. I did some research and now I'm convinced that I made the right to choice to eat more ethically. Peter Singers book, The Ethics Of What We Eat is a great source of information for anyone who is interested in what they eat.
@Masterphan You admit that complete protein can be obtained from plants and say the problem is that plants don't provide enough of it. So the "superiority" of protein in meat is simply due to quantity? The amount of protein we need is a matter of debate, but sufficiency can be observed clinically. Hair and nails healthy and growing? Healing quickly from illness and injury? Not sick often? Muscle mass preserved? Then you're getting enough protein.
@tumblingplanet Yep. so massive in fact The China Study also has regions where Meat eaters show reduced mortality in places compared to plant eaters. Thereby conflicting its central incorrect hypothesis.
It is has been critized extensively in peer review. But still is popular in main stream.
Well said!!! Thanks for educate us !!
but what if you live in an area that you cannot get more vegitables? and what is the difference between a vegetarian and a vegan?
"100 years ago there were no national brands"? Campbell's soup was founded in 1869. Or did it not go national until much later? Someone clarify this for me please.
I totally agree,
pjsplace53 please tell me what you were going to say I can’t take it
first thing i did after this is grilled and ate a AAA Angus beef striploin, and just laughed thinking about how HEALTHY i am.
Look at the date it was released man
Well, he isn't claiming we should all start hugging pigs and eating carrot sticks all day, he's just saying cut back on the meat products.
I agree, however grains including (flour) wheat, soy etc are genetically modified, because of supply and demand. Not all companies use GMO's and some are labeling NonGMO. Greek yogurt is better and you can learn to make your own at home. Greek yogurt has a different type of pasteurization process making it the better choice if you must have dairy.
I feel with ya, one of my friends predicted my early death.