The entire tree is just 70d focus slop, and when you finally get to the bottom to the Turan part, it's decent but it's so late in the game it's literally useless
By the time you get there Russia or Germany is already on the verge of capping and everyone is in the Allies so you can't do anything without it turning into a World Conquest.
Do you know where Turkey in Hoi4 is also infamous for? Randomly declaring war on tje Soviet Union while being in the allies while Historical AI is ON. That has repeatedly ruined games for me! (AI allies or Soviets already eating rocks against the Axis deciding it's a better idea to fight each other as well.....)
It is honestly really annoying, I was doing everything I could to push into Italy as Allied Bulgaria, when all of a sudden some AI gremlin decides to open a second front right on my northern borders with the Soviets (I already capitulated Romania). I have to strat redeploy 75% of my army, losing northern Italy and got stuck in 'Mannerheim-mode' for 2 ingame years until my airforce clears up the opposition. I'm good with some 'operation unthinkable' action, but the Axis hadn't even capitulated yet.
I took my first long break from the game because of this and I've never gone back to Vanilla since either. I play on the hardest difficulty because of the brain dead AI at least in vanilla, so after a very long build up, finally holding back the germans at the gates of Moscow and preparing a counter-offensive, game instantly ruined by Turkey.
There is also a "hidden" path where you go down the focus tree to reform the Ottoman Empire and get the civil war but instead of actually restoring the Sultan you can go down the reconfigure Turkish Foreign Policy path making everything you did for nothing and leaving the country in a limbo as the Provisional State of Anatolia.
The Turkish tree is stupid. It has some good focuses but by the time you there, everyone is guaranteed or WW2 has been going on for 3 years, there is next to no industrial focuses, everything is convoluted, and the most important parts of Turkiye during that time like the Kurdish resistance gets a bunch of button clicks. Turkiye, USA, and Japan are awful trees. Meanwhile, Paradox is giving us an entire South American trees for countries that had little to no influence in the war.
I like having focuses for minor nations even those that did nothing cuz I rather make my own history than copy paste what already happened. But seriously after the next dlcs they should rework some other nations including battle for bosphorus group
i was going for the ottoman achievement as turkey, didnt really read the event pop ups correctly so i was just casually locked out of the focus tree and had to start over lmao
Playing turkey is like being with your family during thanksgiving (For you non Americans/Canadians imagine christmas diner) It's filled with pointless pleasentries, there's lots of arguing, and at the end of it all you just want to nuke everything
1:50 ISP, if you are on historical the Soviets are hard coded to back down every time even though the Brits abandon you, as long as you keep standing up to the pressure without caving. But obviously that's only on historical, if you're on nonhistorical you better be praying to the RNG gods lol
Funny thing about turkey is when I played soviets i puppetd this Nation but after a year they Turner democratic and had ottoman civil war (still as my puppet and the Republic took constantinopol from me (i annexed it when the bosphorus crisis happend)
The point is, Turkey is the country no one ever plays, since realistically Luxembourg is higher in the list of the choices for playable countries than Turkey for 99.99 players anyway... The point is, since no one plays Turkey, no one really does any of the paths, so.... You could do anything, really.
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Turkey combined with UK, Mexico, and the USA and Canada. Imagine the FOOD. They’ll have mini burgers on sticks, covered with spices ole gravy and cheese curds. They’ll call it Kaburtene.
Your so wrong, its one of the best with double focus speed mod (player only gets double speed) lots of flexibility and options and some brokenly OP stuff like the compliance gain
I dont understand the hate for Turkish tree really, I think its fun and has lot of variance. Its not simplest one sure but it is not Switzerland either. Lot of funny things you can do with that focus tree and honestly, Ottoman Empire is one of the more boring ones in there.
The problem is: it's too slow; and in a game where it is essentially a race against the clock that's really, really bad. And the reason is that it becomes boring due to how much or how strong the ai builds up, having to wait for a breakthrough or for the supply to run out or even just a laggy slogfest. Also like in the video the player can end up burning out.
@@personwithoutabody3236 this is also wrong. Turkey gets a -60 justification boost with focus "interviene spanis civil war" but many of you you never read focuses and you never played any other path of Turkey except damn Ottomans
@@doctorwhat779 Firstly, my justification comment was a joke, especially as I don't play the game and don't know the details(like you seem to do). Also it's kinda sad and very cringe that at the same time you both do know what those focuses do and are getting upset at others for both not giving a fuck about the correct stats info or for having an objectively reasonable opinion given both personal and/or seen game experience. It comes off less like a hobby/passion/interest(or just being nerdy about something) and more like a replacement for personality. TL;DR: "It's only game, why you heff to be mad." HOI4 ain't real life, bud 👍
With how big and convoluted it is, the Turkish focus tree should really hide the paths that have become inaccessible to you.
New DLC idea 😂
@@maxtex60n40it's going to be $30 with this as a core feature and like 4 minor nations geting focus tree
But no relevant minors @@halolong5461
Isn't there a setting that does that in the options menu?
Only some nations seem to do it for whatever reason. Guess they didn’t care enough to update old focus trees
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The Turkish focus tree is about as understandable as the Navy in hoi4
IDK man Navy seems less esoteric
The only thing that I can put out with the focus tree is the Ottoman Empire.
I understand it but i have played every single path
Yes
It doesn't help the fact that the mutual paths don't disappear like in other focus trees
The entire tree is just 70d focus slop, and when you finally get to the bottom to the Turan part, it's decent but it's so late in the game it's literally useless
By the time you get there Russia or Germany is already on the verge of capping and everyone is in the Allies so you can't do anything without it turning into a World Conquest.
1943*
Do you know where Turkey in Hoi4 is also infamous for? Randomly declaring war on tje Soviet Union while being in the allies while Historical AI is ON. That has repeatedly ruined games for me!
(AI allies or Soviets already eating rocks against the Axis deciding it's a better idea to fight each other as well.....)
It is honestly really annoying, I was doing everything I could to push into Italy as Allied Bulgaria, when all of a sudden some AI gremlin decides to open a second front right on my northern borders with the Soviets (I already capitulated Romania). I have to strat redeploy 75% of my army, losing northern Italy and got stuck in 'Mannerheim-mode' for 2 ingame years until my airforce clears up the opposition. I'm good with some 'operation unthinkable' action, but the Axis hadn't even capitulated yet.
thats skill issue, no way you hae not capepd germans by 1943
I took my first long break from the game because of this and I've never gone back to Vanilla since either. I play on the hardest difficulty because of the brain dead AI at least in vanilla, so after a very long build up, finally holding back the germans at the gates of Moscow and preparing a counter-offensive, game instantly ruined by Turkey.
what thw actual fuck, I've played enough crusades in ck3 to know paradox ai has a mental disability but how is that even possible in a historical game
There is also a "hidden" path where you go down the focus tree to reform the Ottoman Empire and get the civil war but instead of actually restoring the Sultan you can go down the reconfigure Turkish Foreign Policy path making everything you did for nothing and leaving the country in a limbo as the Provisional State of Anatolia.
There's also a hidden event option if you don't do political focuses and your leader retires, you can get a hidden leader
@@kaancesur-19who
@@U87-z2wHidden
I hope they make the Ottoman path easier to get now that they clearly dropped the "realism" bit with the Germany wins update.
16:44 I know that TRIGGERED Canadians lmao
The Turkish tree is stupid. It has some good focuses but by the time you there, everyone is guaranteed or WW2 has been going on for 3 years, there is next to no industrial focuses, everything is convoluted, and the most important parts of Turkiye during that time like the Kurdish resistance gets a bunch of button clicks. Turkiye, USA, and Japan are awful trees. Meanwhile, Paradox is giving us an entire South American trees for countries that had little to no influence in the war.
Tbf turkey didnt do anything in ww2 either
I like having focuses for minor nations even those that did nothing cuz I rather make my own history than copy paste what already happened. But seriously after the next dlcs they should rework some other nations including battle for bosphorus group
@@valance10 I hate this argument. This is not just a ww2 game it is also an alt history game.
@@doctorwhat779 true. I understand what the devs were trying to do with turkey but ultimately fun NEEDS to come first
@@valance10 also true. I don't think focus tree is great but "x county tree not needed because not in ww2" is an annoying argument.
ISP invading Iraq for oil.
The Americans: ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
0:20 I thought T stands for "Let's sell some opium to China"
interesting enthusiasm
The best part of any Isorrow video is that he always address me by name, and I really appreciate that.
i was going for the ottoman achievement as turkey, didnt really read the event pop ups correctly so i was just casually locked out of the focus tree and had to start over lmao
5:18 I have no idea why the game doesnt calls it the 12 islands. Who the hell is gonna know On iki means twelve.
Damn, dude just released a turkey vid at the same time im having a vacation there. Baller
Turkish invasion of Cyprus? I think I have seen that anime before
Day 424 demanding ISP to form Mongolian empire with generic focus tree and minimal mods.💯💯
i dont think its even a formable
Keep going man. He’s never going to do it, but keep going.
And cavalry only
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Don't stop some dude programmed in a mod that makes a Mongolia formable without giving them a focus tree link him that from now on
I'm not Turkish, but the Turkish focus tree is such a mess that I think I'd pay another $10 for a DLC that just disables it entirely.
Least complicated HoI4 focus tree:
git gud
Um.. actually its actulally the most complicated focus tree and nothing else comes close
Switzerland:
@@ordinaryrat r/ wooooosh
@@User1-zxsdsdeete ironic
Playing turkey is like being with your family during thanksgiving (For you non Americans/Canadians imagine christmas diner) It's filled with pointless pleasentries, there's lots of arguing, and at the end of it all you just want to nuke everything
Sounds more like a you problem lmao
Why are you separated Canadians like that lol
For nostalgia November you should check out the warlord era mod successor autumn begonia
Imagine a turkish spy, convincing some british bureaucrats, that collaborating with the Turkish Empire is a coll idea
18th restart after messing up the Turkish tree: "Maybe I'll just not play Turkey ever again."
I have ONLY done the Ottoman path in hoi4
Isorrow playing turkey talking about dealing with the Kurds.
Swimmy moment
Gaming RUclipsrs when they don't feel fulfilled in their career:
"What if I tilt the screen? I am an artist!"
To the annoyance of everyone.
comedic timing of my headset.. "They are in africa just not the part they used to "BeeP" and then out of power xD
1:50
ISP, if you are on historical the Soviets are hard coded to back down every time even though the Brits abandon you, as long as you keep standing up to the pressure without caving. But obviously that's only on historical, if you're on nonhistorical you better be praying to the RNG gods lol
Funny thing about turkey is when I played soviets i puppetd this Nation but after a year they Turner democratic and had ottoman civil war (still as my puppet and the Republic took constantinopol from me (i annexed it when the bosphorus crisis happend)
2:05 "kamalism"
Well... when i read the title I thought the video will be infinite.
The point is, Turkey is the country no one ever plays, since realistically Luxembourg is higher in the list of the choices for playable countries than Turkey for 99.99 players anyway...
The point is, since no one plays Turkey, no one really does any of the paths, so.... You could do anything, really.
"Band-aid"? What will his majesty think of such Americanisms?!
oniki reference!?1/1 3:11
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Oniki means "12" in Turkish
I'm gonna say it: I enjoy the Turkish and Greek focus trees. Crucify me all you want, I shall die on this hill.
As a turkish person i do not support the paradox devs THEY butcherd our country
#1 TÜRKIYE OF THE WORLD 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
I'm feeling nostalgic for Regnum Bosphori
If only there was a month to bring back the Roman client state
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YOU PROMISED US THE SULTANATE
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Lowkey surprised the USSR didn't crush Germany when it was struggling so badly through most of the video.
this won’t make us forget what you tweeted, iSlicePreemies
Navy only soviet union when
The HOI4 will continue until morale improves
Day 424 demanding ISP to form Mongolian empire with generic focus tree and minimal mods.
Why must your torture us with this turkey content even though you know we can turn it off anytime you know we wont
Thanks god the "rat" spamming finally stopped.
😢
Rat
suffering cheese man gobbles up an entire türkiye!
I think the Kurds and Armenians would say it's a Turkish empire, controlling lots of land which rightfully belongs to people who are not Turks.
Thats how you play it!
Isp never fails to torture himself
Next series: World conquest to Z
This one was pretty good, quite interesting)
Try Age of History 3 now, it's just released, it's like EU4, Vic2 and AoH2 combined.
Damn imagine how many genocides this turkey would try.
Remember to pray to papi sorrows 🙏 and fill your chalice with Timmy’s favorite juice. OJ. And enjoy it 🎉
Play age of history 3 it’s like hoi but better maybe
If they make the entire focus tree 35 day it will actually be enjoyable
TNO is inevitable.
Wouldn't be surprised if he does TFR in the next bit.
I am finally hiped for a new dlc in a long time
I preffer to be called Mr.timothy-timothethem-III mr sorrow
When you did the Soviets, you should have just done the Red Navy focuses instead of army or industry
if it had shorter focus times it wouldve been good also Turkey mentioned!!!!!! wtf is a good economy!!!!!
Turkey feels like Kaiserreich.
Turkish tree is not the best sure but I think it is overhated, you can work with it if you try to do
FINALLY THE TURKEY VIDEO
it’s so hard to get industrialized as turkey
how are you so good at making the worst paths look fun
Well, Turkey is an interesting development ✋🏻👑🙂↕️
turan 💀💀💀💀💀
Playing anarchist Spain rn winning
So How's it going?
March of the Eagles A-Z when
meanwhile i have 3 thousand hours playing with turkey
you didnt have fun, you just fell for the stockholm syndrome
Turkey combined with UK, Mexico, and the USA and Canada.
Imagine the FOOD. They’ll have mini burgers on sticks, covered with spices ole gravy and cheese curds. They’ll call it Kaburtene.
Your so wrong, its one of the best with double focus speed mod (player only gets double speed) lots of flexibility and options and some brokenly OP stuff like the compliance gain
Nah fam, it’s all about that hype for Barfs of Iron 5.
No combat and no focus trees mmmmmm
Will we have a New focus tree to Turkey with that middle east pack dlc? Pls say yes
The rats under the skin are still there isp...
While I don't *like* the Turkish focus tree, Turkey is sitll more fun than New Zeeland.
Did you know that Turkey was the main character in WW2?
worst nation, oh we're playing Denmark
Petition for ISP to play Syndicalist Italy/Roman Empire in Kaiserredux Day 100
Türkiye mentioned !!!!!!
Ck3 when mr isp
After focus to Z is done you should do historical to z
Use the 35 day focus mod for them or it’s unplayable
You’re going to fill in WHO???
Day 30 of asking ISP to collab with Drew and Alex one more time
You should play Age of History 3
Play eu4 in isp channel
HOI4'TE TÜRKİYE EN KÖTÜ ÜLKE DEĞİL, EN İYİSİ 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Turkey is the worst nation in HOI4 and in real life tbh.
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sloppa
1949 💀
IBloatedFocustree
did you skip tannu tuva?
also, i would give it a "re-run" but your playlists are "incomplete"
@iSorrowproductions If you don't pay your child support i'll have your visitation rights revoked!!!
Please play Victoria 2 again!
Man, i would have loved to see the reform the ottoman empire but at the last step decide to not stick with it, like the top liked comment said.
There is already gazillion of Ottoman Empire video about Turkey
I dont understand the hate for Turkish tree really, I think its fun and has lot of variance. Its not simplest one sure but it is not Switzerland either. Lot of funny things you can do with that focus tree and honestly, Ottoman Empire is one of the more boring ones in there.
The problem is: it's too slow; and in a game where it is essentially a race against the clock that's really, really bad. And the reason is that it becomes boring due to how much or how strong the ai builds up, having to wait for a breakthrough or for the supply to run out or even just a laggy slogfest. Also like in the video the player can end up burning out.
Yeah that's the problem. People only cares Ottoman tree but it sucks as it should be
At that point you are better off just playing using only justifications, cause they take about the same time as the focus =))
@@personwithoutabody3236 this is also wrong. Turkey gets a -60 justification boost with focus "interviene spanis civil war" but many of you you never read focuses and you never played any other path of Turkey except damn Ottomans
@@doctorwhat779 Firstly, my justification comment was a joke, especially as I don't play the game and don't know the details(like you seem to do). Also it's kinda sad and very cringe that at the same time you both do know what those focuses do and are getting upset at others for both not giving a fuck about the correct stats info or for having an objectively reasonable opinion given both personal and/or seen game experience. It comes off less like a hobby/passion/interest(or just being nerdy about something) and more like a replacement for personality.
TL;DR: "It's only game, why you heff to be mad." HOI4 ain't real life, bud 👍