" They say time heals all wounds". "It wasn't time that did it". Damn, that's almost as emotional as "Baby girl". Great finale for an outstanding season.
I'm glad you mentioned Ashley and Bella looking alike. I'm most familiar with her as her work as a child actor when she was on Growing Pains and as Annie and they DO look VERY much alike. It doesn't hurt that Bella has such a baby face, just like Ashley.
that’s why i think ashley could reprise her role as ellie for season 2 and 3, since bella doesn’t quite look old enough to portray the terrifying animal that ellie becomes. no hate to bella, she was outstanding as young ellie, and i’d love to see her continue in the next seasons in the flashback sequences, but i think a more mature looking actress is needed to really bring the fear factor, intimidation and intensity of tlou2 ellie. i also realise ashley has now already played someone in the show, but with some makeup work she could be made to look different enough from anna that she is believable as a grown up ellie (they could also easily increase the time jump a few years to make it believable)
Bella's already signed on to play Ellie. She is 19 IRL, which is how old Ellie is by the end of TLOU P2. Bella is just cursed with that baby face. Maybe they can age her up with makeup. They won't begin filming "in the spring" according to Pedro, so sometimes in the next few months and she will have multiple seasons to mature facially so fingers crossed that she'll blow us away even more and show us her acting chops as a more savage Ellie. She may not even be in every episode, given how the chapters in Part 2 worked. Either way I'm sure she'll be hitting the gym. 😊
@@carriesmith742 i’m sure she could pull it off she’s definitely shown her acting ability is there, it’s just like you say her baby face paired with her height and infectiously positive demeanour that would make it hard to see her as brutal as tlou2 ellie is
Y'know... they made so many points this season to make each death really mean something. Even "bad guys" die in the most brutal and methodical ways. And to me, all that effort made Joel nonchalantly mowing down all these fireflies hit so much harder than it did in the game.
4:50 for real, I was floored when I saw this scene and realized just how much more she looks like Bella's live action Ellie than the video game Ellie. Actually uncanny.
Genuinely loved how they tied episode 1 with Fedra not worrying the kid about their death, and Joel disposing of them. And the Fireflies not troubling Ellie about her death, and Joel not letting it happen.
I hope seeing Ashley playing Ellies' mom calms people down. This episode showed Ashley is an amazing actress. She also looks far too old to play Ellie. Purest, who are mad about the actor choices, Ashley can't be Ellie anymore.
Not only that, but the people that were complaining how Bella doesn't look enough like the video game character...well it turns out she looks a lot like Ashley, which I'm guessing isn't purely coincidence.
I like the fact that you brought up Joel’s face during the rampage his calm demeanor just going through each firefly picking up guns along the way and the music was so ominous, Pedro killed it (no pun intended)
In the game with Anna’s letter it was kinda hinted that she was bitten when she had Ellie and that would’ve given Ellie her immunity but it was nice to see it and confirm that theory that a few of us had since 2013.
In my own head canon I lingered on the line Marlene says to Anna in her recording, “this is what we were after, what you were after.” Which made me think that Ellie’s immunity was the work of intentional engineering.
Everything was top tier this episode!! The passing of the torch between the Ellie actresses, Joel’s dilemma. This episode nailed what Craig mazin said that this was a story about love, and what you would do for love. I also love that she kinda knew that he was bullshitting her. Absolute 10/10 episode and probably the best of the season.
I think the "awkwardness" from Joel on the hike is the dissonance we and Ellie are feeling because it kinda feels like he's projecting Sarah's ideal onto Ellie. I don't think he's ACTUALLY doing it, but it feels like it because it comes right after his choice to save Ellie, and it feels like a selfish choice even though it saved Ellie's life. Ellie's voice sounds so hollow and full of dread the more he talks about Sarah - to me, it was like Ellie knew that Joel did something terrible at the hospital, because he's decided Ellie is his daughter, and after David and everything that's happened to Ellie, that doesn't mean the same thing it might have meant if that had happened a little earlier in the story.
When he said that she healed his wounds i feel like thats when she really felt the resentment. She realized that the only reason he kept her around is because he needs her. His own selfishness and desire to fulfill the hole that Sarah left is the only reason Ellie is there… she just felt more used
@@philipsparks6089 Oh I love this. The idea that Ellie is thinking, "I wouldn't be here if Joel hadn't already lost Sarah" - the idea that she feels overshadowed by the saintly ideal of Sarah's nonexistence - that she isn't loved just for being her. OUCH. It makes so much sense that Joel would make that mistake and simply not see it in himself, especially when he's trying so hard to uphold this fantasy that he and Ellie are going to be a happy family together for the rest of their lives. SPOILERS FOR TLOU2 AHEAD: I think this perspective would add so much to Ellie and Joel's relationship falling apart in S2. In the game, Joel's wrongdoing felt almost neatly packaged into his one big lie. Here, yeah he lied to her, but he's ALSO projecting and adding to Ellie's insecurities without even realizing it. So when Ellie turns her back on him in S2, I would love it if we got a little bit of Joel needing to confront THOSE mistakes too. Joel is so much less idealized in the show and I find it fascinating and hauntingly realistic.
@@philipsparks6089 In the official podcast, Craig and Neil talked about that moment and it wasn't resentment Ellie was feeling - they noted that she didn't realize until that moment just how much she meant to Joel. This exchange was their way of saying they love each other without actually saying the words.
I'm glad you addressed how short SLC section actually is. I've seen a good chunk of people saying they were probably going to leave lots of stuff out, or that 45 minutes wasn't enough but??? SLC with just cutscenes is roughly 35 minutes, maybe an hourish with gameplay if you cruise through. I'm so happy with how this episode turned out. I knew what I was going to see going into the show but it still managed to make me cry multiple times
Ellie hunting abby and her group. Ellies dark journey into Seattle while traveling with Dina. Abbys story and her journey. WLF. The Scars. The Rattlers. Lev and Yara. A longer second season wouldn't be enough. Notice how I never mentioned gameplay but actual story. The showrunners have already stated that the second game will be divided into season two and season three. Now the fun part will be to see how they manage this. Especially how the second game is structured. They're going to have to change the story structurally.
Ashley Johnson started off the episode perfectly. I never played... I watched a few streamers play but I've never seen the start or the finish. Honestly, I let it play while doing something else at the same time. I can't remember what I was watching or if it really was the game but the operation room scene seemed the most familiar. I don't even remember if I watched long enough to recognize or remember if they played the 2nd game. Joel took more initiative in reaching out and it seemed a bit awkward because he hasn't done that in so long. But I loved the writers and directors for that. Of course, a bit of praise goes to Din, um, Pedro Pascal. The shot near Joel's ear, I thought he might have been grazed when Sarah was shot and he never wanted to speak more about it. Their story of it made tons more sense. When trying to find Ellie, the person who surrendered, I didn't give him any chance of being spared. Joel would not have made it to her if he did. After watching the episode I watched the special on the making of TLOU and the details of everything else made me appreciate this series even that much more. Now the painful wait for the second season to come. At least I can watch other/newer reactors and their videos. I might even watch the complete story in the meantime. Thank you for your insights and your opinions of the series and a bit of the game. Take care, Omn1
Joel going ham in the hospital is probably the best shot scene I've ever watched...it was soooo beautifully haunting.... Without being grotesque.... You could feel his drive.. the tunnel vision.. that scene will stay with me forever..it was so unique and stunningly beautiful... Very very sad to.. i cried for joel..could physically feel his pain for that entire segment.. Pedro absolutely smashed that just like bella in the previous ep...
The game, this show, these characters… they’ve just found a way deep into my heart, I love all of them so much! The game is a piece of art, the show is an extraordinary adaptation. Last week’s episode is my favourite, because Joel and Ellie’s relationship is my favourite part of the game and the “baby girl” scene is my favourite part of their relationship, but this was a great end to the season. It’s been great to watch this season each week, then come on here and see reactions from my favourite creators, including you. Keep up the good work man!
I have loved watching your reaction to this show. I love your insight and the way you breakdown each episode. I watch a lot of reactions and yours is one of the ones I look forward to. Plus you have awesome hair! 😊
Season two is going to hit so much harder than this one and especially for gamers that played the games. We already know what to expect I’m excited and sad at the same time HBO honestly did a really good job doing the adaptations from the game to the show.
Ashley was incredible aswel... Thats an insane performance for what was like 3 mins of screen time.. ellie giving birth to ellie is poetic af and a true stand out moment in network tv
It was a bit rushed but… the giraffe scene tears, the change to that Joel tried to kill himself tears!! The brutality of the hospital rampage!! And the no hesitation in the shooting of Jerry… pure chef kiss
listening to the podcast of them talking about the 'OK' moment. There are so many interpretations anyone can come up with on what that meant & all of them could be true. For me personally Ellie knows that Joel is lying but she accepts it but their relationship will be forever tainted cause he lied. Which will hit that much harder when we get to season 2 & what that plot is about.
I played the TLOU Part 2 and I squeaked when I saw the farmhouse in the opening of this episode....it gave me deja vu vibes like when you asked about the spoiler!
The farmhouse looked similar--but it was literally all the way across the country: Anna and Marlene were still outside the Boston QZ. and the one in game 2 is somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.
This episode was masterfully done. It was everything i hoped for and more. They hit all of the important points and made some of them even better. Like you said, that hospital rampage did great at giving extra emotion to the gameplay we experienced. I am in awe with what they've done and i can't wait to see what they do with part 2.
Excellent reaction and opinion as always! What a fantastic adaptation this show has been, and what a hole its (temporary) end leaves in my weekly viewing, and my very attached heart! Pedro and Bella have been incredible at conveying the complicated dynamic between Joel and Ellie, and how the relationship evolves, and I'm both relieved and profoundly grateful that I can appreciate their performances, while still cherishing the original ones of Troy and Ashley! All the cameos were excellent too! The score is hauntingly beautiful, the direction fantastic, and the cinematography and set-design outstanding! Now for the nervous wait for S2....
The thing is they didn't know for a fact that the cure would work. They were going to kill Ellie on a hunch. And as far as Marlene assuming Ellie would still go along with it knowing that she would die and they weren't 100% sure it would be worth it, her not telling Ellie that beforehand proves even she had doubt. Joel absolutely did the right thing.
I already know I'm going to have a hard time watching S2 ep 1 😭 I've loved Joel's character for so long, and also adore Pedro (def big crush lmao) so it's going to hurt so much watching it
The music for Joel’s “rampage” makes it 10 times more eerie, and how stupid was that doctor….”how did u get in here”? WELL… I killed the 10 to 15 guys that were in the “abandoned” hospital 😂
I've said this on every reaction to this episode I've watched, but I 100% believe that Joel did the right thing getting Ellie out and then screwed the pooch by lying to her about it. Twice.
I actually like the scene with Joel kind of toadting Ellie because to me its him trying to sort of trying to share something important by talking about Sarah but not trying to make her uncomfortable or feel like she's just a replacement and he's just so awkward about it and fumbling. He hasn't felt like a parent for a while but he remembers that a daughter won't want to feel compared to another daughter or that they don't meet the same value, he just has a hard time saying she's just as special even if she isn't Sarah and she would have had a place in his family if Sarah was alive
The thing that always gets me is that Marlene/the Fireflies didn’t ask Ellie’s permission either. They didn’t explain what would happen/what they’d be doing to her so Marlene’s whole speech about Joel saving Ellie was just him doing what he wanted is silly as heck. They were doing what they wanted as well. Basically, I’m Team Joel/Fireflies suck.
@@jasonjackson33there was no saving humanity. Even if the vaccine worked, it would be impossible to mass produce it in this world and there would still be infected around since nothing can cure them. The world would be forever broken, Joel did the right thing.
@@jasonjackson33 Uh, no. It’s not. Marlene wasn’t even sure it would work. She said the doctors ‘think’, not the doctors ‘know’. She had no idea if Ellie’s sacrifice would have been worth it. If it hadn’t and they killed her for nothing she would have been forgotten. So she didn’t tell Ellie what was going on so she wouldn’t feel guilt. Had she not been a coward and told Ellie the truth…Ellie would have agreed to the surgery. But Marlene was a coward, so she said nothing.
Ellie is a depressed 14 year old traumatized girl. Her brain isn’t even fully developed to make a decision to sacrifice herself. Joel made the right decision. He’s guilty of being a bad liar.
Im excited for season 2 i think. That games gonna translate even better as a show then it did as a game. Dont have to play as gabby just have to watch her.
Assuming you're talking about the bus depot area when you were talking about the "subway/tunnel area" Good section, so many damn infected. But I definitely understand them not using it
That last bit that u said was awkward…I see that as purposeful. Joel is trying to move on and distract ellie from what he just did, so he’s blabbering. So if we think that ellie would have agreed to sacrifice herself for the greater good, why didnt marlene even give her a chance by asking her for permission? She could have done that in front of joel, too, so he could see that it was ellie’s decision and he’d have to respect that.
Maybe I didn't word it right but I agree with you on what Joel was doing there. As for the Marlene thing, for me, Marlene can't risk it being a question. It's not a question to her. A cure is above any of their wants or desires. Giving Ellie a choice is giving Ellie a chance to say no and the world and Marlene can't accept a no. It's easier for her to make that choice for Ellie otherwise she very well was willing to force her. I don't believe Joel would have accepted Ellie's decision either way if she did choose to do it. I imagine he would have waited for them to put her under and then do exactly what he did and lie. Marlene's only chance was to get Joel out and have the procedure done as fast as they could. But we can only speculate on the what ifs :)
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I admire the ending and the manner in which it divides people. It also showcases that Joel is a flawed character all while demonstrating that love is not the pure thing that people believe it is. With love comes the fear of loss, which can cause a person to act irrationally and selfishly. This initiative spits on Tess's sacrifices and hopes while also taking away Ellie's belief in her life's purpose. We recognise why Joel did it and in another series them ending together would've been considered a happy ending. But it can't really be perceived as such in this case because it comes at the cost of lying to Ellie spite of knowing why she wanted to be the cure and spitting on Tess sacrifice, which is why I love this story.
While being the cure seems important to Ellie, you also have to consider the fact that this is the only thing Ellie has been told she’s good for in a world that she sees is suffering decades later because of the outbreak. It's obvious her severely traumatized, impressionable, adolescent mind is going to think her compliance to this is the most important thing. It’s the only thing she thinks she has to live for, when she should be allowed her own choice, free from outside influence. If this was fresh off the QZ Ellie and she had decided to die for the cure instead of just giving her blood like she initially assumed, i wouldve hated Joel. But it just doesn't sit right with me that the severely traumatized 14 year old had to make that call right then and there. Also it doesn't sit right that they never woke her up to explain the procedure and let her have a final goodbye w Joel. She's not an experiment for good sake's, this was a child that was gonna die for the benefit of everyone else
It's worth mentioning that Marlene and the Fireflies didn't give Ellie a choice either. I personally don't believe in the "greater good" at all costs method they espouse. It's exceedingly unfair to pin the hopes of the world on a 14 yeard old, essentially manipulating her into sacrificing her life for a cure that might not even work. Nevermind the ethics of going through with the surgery without consent or understanding of what it meant. Do I believe Ellie would have chose to sacrifice herself for the world? Yes. But consent matters even at the end of the world.
I feel bad for Marlene. She made the hard decision, and despite Joel's rampage she still tried to reason with him instead of straight up just ending him and getting Ellie back. The chance of a cure isn't guaranteed but a chance is enough to risk it, plus it's what Ellie would have wanted, that's why SPOILER... she was angry with Joel in the sequel and that's why Joel hid the truth from her the entire time.
I'm so glad they kept the giraffe scene; I'm not sure why but that's one of the few scenes that really stuck with me from the game, and I was prepared to be disappointed, guessing they might cut it because CGI would look bad, or setting up with a real giraffe might be difficult and impractical...FYI I was told it was a real giraffe! Also, they've already said Ep 2 would be broken up into 2 seasons.
As someone who hasn't played the game I kinda was hoping for a longer episode, it was a great episode either way my only complaint is that I wanted more haha.
Having played the game I wanted a longer episode, but more so about the history of Ellie’s mom and how she was connected to Marlene. Because this still leaves us with some questions, just like the game did.
If Marlene had told Ellie what they were going to do, Ellie would have agreed and told that to Joel. Then what would he do? Rescue her from her chosen fate? But she didn't want to take that chance.
As a non-gamer, I'm here for the relationship journey, which has been so satisfying. The infected are pretty irrelevant to me. I see them a few times...I get it. I imagine they're trying to walk a line to please both gamers and non. Seem to be doing a pretty great job overall! I actually put off watching the finale because I didn't want it to be over. Gonna need Emmys for Pedro and Bella. They are a team and equally great! Enjoyed watching with you. See you for S2...
top-quality television show with a strong narrative and very compelling characters. the best live-action recreation of a videogame. ❤🔥 Super excited for Season 2
also: Even if the cure worked, manufacturing it on a large scale would be a whole new problem, and all the different "groups" of people would be fighting over control and who it gets distributed to. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think a cure would fix their problems at this point.
And I only know her from the series Blind Spot (entertaining, if slightly far-fetched FBI action series) in which she played Patterson, one of the main characters, very well. 😊
I think the dialogue going up the hill was intended to be awkward. Joel’s not good at talking about such things to begin with, he knows shes in a fragile state and this is almost certainly the first time in nearly twenty years he’s probably verbalized these things. It’d be a little odd if he just spoke about it completely normally. I also couldn’t quite shake the disquieting feeling that there was something.. a little bit disturbed about how Joel was acting. Maybe that’s too strong a word but the scene really did not hit as wholesomely as I’d have expected such a scene would. I also hope they put an emphasis next season when it comes back around, which I don’t know the games but clearly it must somehow, on that this should have been Ellie’s choice. Not Marlene or Joel’s. Also really hope they drive home that even without them telling her, which they absolutely should have, Joel still knew what Ellie’s choice would be. her speech about Riley left me with little doubt what she would have done given the choice. Just the fact the last death she brings up was Sam, I feel like Ellie absolutely would go through with this just for a chance at saving another kid like Sam. I think that’s why his lie to her was so painful to see, he lied because he knew she would not have wanted this.
Great insights Omni, I agree re the infected would like to have seen a few more as well, re season 2 ..I agree it's so much bigger, I think they might split it in two, with the final episode of season 2 ending with..'.we let you both live and..you both wasted it..' if you know you know.. ans season 3 begins with ...Dad? Dad? ..if you know you know.. thoughts?
its something that has never been done before so would it even work if Joel would have let them do it? i wouldn't sacrifice some1 for a maybe even as 3th party, better lab and option to study her to maybe even find a better way without life loss
@@depecher6s311 I mean yeah what would you call it? They were planning on murdering a little girl and they kidnapped her from the one person who cared for her, then having the full intention on killing him if he tried anything. I’d call them bad guys😂 honestly should have killed the nurses too
@@matthewcovert5055 are you seriously trying to say you don’t see how it could at all be a slightly more nuanced issue than how you are presenting it? I could just as easily cherrypick facts to paint Joel as a murderous monster who doomed the world but I’d rather look at the morality in the grey area where it clearly exists. I genuinely struggle to believe you even watched the series or played the games if you can come away from the story with this take lmao
@@depecher6s311 you’re clearly someone who doesn’t have family you care about and certainly don’t have a daughter. I’d do anything for family and the people I care about especially in an apocalypse… if you don’t see the problem with killing a child for your own benefit then there’s something seriously wrong with you
some random doctor knows more about it than the professor in episode 2 huh? A cure for who? Raiders, slavers, cannibals. who are you trying to cure Marlene? what is your production capacity or distribution system? it's an excuse and a stupid one at that. No big loss.
This ending has creaed two camps. One which thinks Joel did the right thing and the other that thinks he was wrong. Ellie dies and saves the world (or does she) or she lives and saves Joel. There is no certainty that they would get a cure from her, I for one think it would have been futile and in the early scene of episode one on the TV show from the 60's the expert actually says that there is no cure and no way to make one.
@@liza-wv8ho yup they confirmed it because the second game is so much longer than the first there's no way they could do the whole story in just one season
She obviously would’ve said yes but I guess from their perspective it was easier to do it without consent because they didn’t wanted to risk it and hear “no” and then do it with force, idk.
for me though a part of me wonders if the reason ellie would willing to die for the cure was her pain and trauma from david that what he did or tried to do effected her so much just like joel she wanted to end that pain she not in the right head space and if true is it really her giving that choice or is it the pain making the choice for her
@autistic ahsoka I think she would have said yes, but like you said, I don't think she realized death was on the table as an option. Even when they are by the fire she asks Joel what they will do after, she's assuming there is an after and she will walk out of there safe with Joel.
I liked the episode and loved AJs performance. But compared to the game, I feel like the rampage seemed out of place because we hadn’t had Joel killing dozens of people/infected every 30 minutes.
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Bella Ramsey, dude. Bella effing Ramsey. What a powerhouse that kid is. What a tremendous actor. They're going places.
I really loved how they executed Joel's rampage at the end. The music making it sadder instead of an action piece. Beautifully done.
Plus, it really felt like a video game level.
@@elbruces This defintely justifies Abby's action in the 2nd game much more now
I also love how we haven't seen 'brutal Joel' until the last 2 eps, made it hit much harder IMO.
It really was beautifully done... Very impactful..that was art on another level imo 😢
@@antdigiulio4285 Wow Never thought it about it that way and you're right.
Pretty awesome to see Ashley Johnson give birth to the same character twice.
Noice 👌
If we’re being fair, every parent sided with Joel. That’s the love that the story is speaking to.
Right, there are two answers if they wish, as a parent, or as a stranger.
" They say time heals all wounds".
"It wasn't time that did it".
Damn, that's almost as emotional as "Baby girl".
Great finale for an outstanding season.
Seeing Laura Bailey back as a nurse (same as she played in the first game) makes me SO happy
I missed her NOOOOO!
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I checked the credits, and she was a nurse. I'm assuming the one towards the back.
Omg I wish I noticed that
@@Omn1Media it was the eyes. I’ve watched WAY too much critical role 😂🤣
Oh god, now that you say it. Even the gasp when Joel speaks up sounds like her.
I'm glad you mentioned Ashley and Bella looking alike. I'm most familiar with her as her work as a child actor when she was on Growing Pains and as Annie and they DO look VERY much alike. It doesn't hurt that Bella has such a baby face, just like Ashley.
That's exactly what I've been thinking. She really does favor Ashley during her time on Growing Pains.
that’s why i think ashley could reprise her role as ellie for season 2 and 3, since bella doesn’t quite look old enough to portray the terrifying animal that ellie becomes. no hate to bella, she was outstanding as young ellie, and i’d love to see her continue in the next seasons in the flashback sequences, but i think a more mature looking actress is needed to really bring the fear factor, intimidation and intensity of tlou2 ellie.
i also realise ashley has now already played someone in the show, but with some makeup work she could be made to look different enough from anna that she is believable as a grown up ellie (they could also easily increase the time jump a few years to make it believable)
Bella's already signed on to play Ellie. She is 19 IRL, which is how old Ellie is by the end of TLOU P2. Bella is just cursed with that baby face. Maybe they can age her up with makeup. They won't begin filming "in the spring" according to Pedro, so sometimes in the next few months and she will have multiple seasons to mature facially so fingers crossed that she'll blow us away even more and show us her acting chops as a more savage Ellie. She may not even be in every episode, given how the chapters in Part 2 worked. Either way I'm sure she'll be hitting the gym. 😊
@@carriesmith742 i’m sure she could pull it off she’s definitely shown her acting ability is there, it’s just like you say her baby face paired with her height and infectiously positive demeanour that would make it hard to see her as brutal as tlou2 ellie is
Ashley Johnson passing the mantle ❤ It's so beautiful.
Recognize Ashley Johnson by her grunts before seeing her face, man true TLOU fan right there, lov u
Y'know... they made so many points this season to make each death really mean something. Even "bad guys" die in the most brutal and methodical ways. And to me, all that effort made Joel nonchalantly mowing down all these fireflies hit so much harder than it did in the game.
4:50 for real, I was floored when I saw this scene and realized just how much more she looks like Bella's live action Ellie than the video game Ellie. Actually uncanny.
lol she still VERY MUCH looks like videogame ellie, especially the remake version. ashley when she was younger looked exactly like her
Genuinely loved how they tied episode 1 with Fedra not worrying the kid about their death, and Joel disposing of them. And the Fireflies not troubling Ellie about her death, and Joel not letting it happen.
I hope seeing Ashley playing Ellies' mom calms people down. This episode showed Ashley is an amazing actress. She also looks far too old to play Ellie. Purest, who are mad about the actor choices, Ashley can't be Ellie anymore.
P.s Ashley being to old meaning she can't play 14 year old girl on film
Not only that, but the people that were complaining how Bella doesn't look enough like the video game character...well it turns out she looks a lot like Ashley, which I'm guessing isn't purely coincidence.
I like the fact that you brought up Joel’s face during the rampage his calm demeanor just going through each firefly picking up guns along the way and the music was so ominous, Pedro killed it (no pun intended)
In the game with Anna’s letter it was kinda hinted that she was bitten when she had Ellie and that would’ve given Ellie her immunity but it was nice to see it and confirm that theory that a few of us had since 2013.
In my own head canon I lingered on the line Marlene says to Anna in her recording, “this is what we were after, what you were after.” Which made me think that Ellie’s immunity was the work of intentional engineering.
Omn1: "I know those grunts anywhere!"
Brian W. Foster: "Excuse me?"
😂🤣
And yes that ranch house looked VERY familiar.
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Everything was top tier this episode!! The passing of the torch between the Ellie actresses, Joel’s dilemma. This episode nailed what Craig mazin said that this was a story about love, and what you would do for love. I also love that she kinda knew that he was bullshitting her. Absolute 10/10 episode and probably the best of the season.
I think the "awkwardness" from Joel on the hike is the dissonance we and Ellie are feeling because it kinda feels like he's projecting Sarah's ideal onto Ellie. I don't think he's ACTUALLY doing it, but it feels like it because it comes right after his choice to save Ellie, and it feels like a selfish choice even though it saved Ellie's life. Ellie's voice sounds so hollow and full of dread the more he talks about Sarah - to me, it was like Ellie knew that Joel did something terrible at the hospital, because he's decided Ellie is his daughter, and after David and everything that's happened to Ellie, that doesn't mean the same thing it might have meant if that had happened a little earlier in the story.
When he said that she healed his wounds i feel like thats when she really felt the resentment. She realized that the only reason he kept her around is because he needs her. His own selfishness and desire to fulfill the hole that Sarah left is the only reason Ellie is there… she just felt more used
@@philipsparks6089 Oh I love this. The idea that Ellie is thinking, "I wouldn't be here if Joel hadn't already lost Sarah" - the idea that she feels overshadowed by the saintly ideal of Sarah's nonexistence - that she isn't loved just for being her. OUCH. It makes so much sense that Joel would make that mistake and simply not see it in himself, especially when he's trying so hard to uphold this fantasy that he and Ellie are going to be a happy family together for the rest of their lives.
SPOILERS FOR TLOU2 AHEAD:
I think this perspective would add so much to Ellie and Joel's relationship falling apart in S2. In the game, Joel's wrongdoing felt almost neatly packaged into his one big lie. Here, yeah he lied to her, but he's ALSO projecting and adding to Ellie's insecurities without even realizing it. So when Ellie turns her back on him in S2, I would love it if we got a little bit of Joel needing to confront THOSE mistakes too. Joel is so much less idealized in the show and I find it fascinating and hauntingly realistic.
@@philipsparks6089 In the official podcast, Craig and Neil talked about that moment and it wasn't resentment Ellie was feeling - they noted that she didn't realize until that moment just how much she meant to Joel. This exchange was their way of saying they love each other without actually saying the words.
awry parent would have made same choice and he felt like her father already, there mite be another way, but they just went easy and faster way
sure, whatever.
I'm glad you addressed how short SLC section actually is. I've seen a good chunk of people saying they were probably going to leave lots of stuff out, or that 45 minutes wasn't enough but??? SLC with just cutscenes is roughly 35 minutes, maybe an hourish with gameplay if you cruise through. I'm so happy with how this episode turned out. I knew what I was going to see going into the show but it still managed to make me cry multiple times
Yeah, Ashley and Bella really look alike. It didn't really click for me before but as soon as they showed Ashley's face here i was like "WAIT, WHAT".
Ellie hunting abby and her group. Ellies dark journey into Seattle while traveling with Dina. Abbys story and her journey. WLF. The Scars. The Rattlers. Lev and Yara. A longer second season wouldn't be enough. Notice how I never mentioned gameplay but actual story. The showrunners have already stated that the second game will be divided into season two and season three. Now the fun part will be to see how they manage this. Especially how the second game is structured. They're going to have to change the story structurally.
They also had Laura Bailey as one of the nurses 😍
Sneaky! I did not know that. Awesome.
Which she also voice one in the 1st game
So when I watched this earlier… in the first few moments, I say something like, “huh, that really sounds like Ellie running… Oh, hey Ashley!”
Ashley Johnson started off the episode perfectly.
I never played... I watched a few streamers play but I've never seen the start or the finish. Honestly, I let it play while doing something else at the same time. I can't remember what I was watching or if it really was the game but the operation room scene seemed the most familiar. I don't even remember if I watched long enough to recognize or remember if they played the 2nd game.
Joel took more initiative in reaching out and it seemed a bit awkward because he hasn't done that in so long. But I loved the writers and directors for that. Of course, a bit of praise goes to Din, um, Pedro Pascal.
The shot near Joel's ear, I thought he might have been grazed when Sarah was shot and he never wanted to speak more about it. Their story of it made tons more sense.
When trying to find Ellie, the person who surrendered, I didn't give him any chance of being spared. Joel would not have made it to her if he did.
After watching the episode I watched the special on the making of TLOU and the details of everything else made me appreciate this series even that much more.
Now the painful wait for the second season to come. At least I can watch other/newer reactors and their videos. I might even watch the complete story in the meantime.
Thank you for your insights and your opinions of the series and a bit of the game.
Take care, Omn1
Joel’s great mistake is not telling Ellie the truth.
The G.I Joel scene may just be my favorite one this season
G.I. JOEL! 🤣
@@Omn1Media thanks for the comment my man keep up the good work
The music that plays when the doctor is shown on the ground at 15:40 is the same music that played during Abby’s flashback in Part 2
I've never played the game, but I've watched Critical Role for years. Yeah, I could spot Ashley's voice from just her heavy breathing.
Joel going ham in the hospital is probably the best shot scene I've ever watched...it was soooo beautifully haunting.... Without being grotesque.... You could feel his drive.. the tunnel vision.. that scene will stay with me forever..it was so unique and stunningly beautiful... Very very sad to.. i cried for joel..could physically feel his pain for that entire segment.. Pedro absolutely smashed that just like bella in the previous ep...
I remember Ashley on Growing Pains way back in the day. She played the Chrissy Seaver. LOL
Ellie gave birth to Ellie!
But I’m pissed that we don’t have anymore episode’s to go!! Looking forward to season two so bad!
The game, this show, these characters… they’ve just found a way deep into my heart, I love all of them so much!
The game is a piece of art, the show is an extraordinary adaptation.
Last week’s episode is my favourite, because Joel and Ellie’s relationship is my favourite part of the game and the “baby girl” scene is my favourite part of their relationship, but this was a great end to the season.
It’s been great to watch this season each week, then come on here and see reactions from my favourite creators, including you.
Keep up the good work man!
I have loved watching your reaction to this show. I love your insight and the way you breakdown each episode. I watch a lot of reactions and yours is one of the ones I look forward to. Plus you have awesome hair! 😊
Season two is going to hit so much harder than this one and especially for gamers that played the games. We already know what to expect I’m excited and sad at the same time HBO honestly did a really good job doing the adaptations from the game to the show.
Ashley was incredible aswel... Thats an insane performance for what was like 3 mins of screen time.. ellie giving birth to ellie is poetic af and a true stand out moment in network tv
It was a bit rushed but… the giraffe scene tears, the change to that Joel tried to kill himself tears!! The brutality of the hospital rampage!! And the no hesitation in the shooting of Jerry… pure chef kiss
Ellies "Okay" still gives me chills, even in the show. What a ride, absolutely exceeded my expectations.
listening to the podcast of them talking about the 'OK' moment. There are so many interpretations anyone can come up with on what that meant & all of them could be true. For me personally Ellie knows that Joel is lying but she accepts it but their relationship will be forever tainted cause he lied. Which will hit that much harder when we get to season 2 & what that plot is about.
I played the TLOU Part 2 and I squeaked when I saw the farmhouse in the opening of this episode....it gave me deja vu vibes like when you asked about the spoiler!
That ranch even had the tractor.
The farmhouse looked similar--but it was literally all the way across the country: Anna and Marlene were still outside the Boston QZ. and the one in game 2 is somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.
The nurse scene was so sick because I was like “hey it’s Abby’s da-“ *POP* “nevermind!”
This episode was masterfully done. It was everything i hoped for and more. They hit all of the important points and made some of them even better. Like you said, that hospital rampage did great at giving extra emotion to the gameplay we experienced. I am in awe with what they've done and i can't wait to see what they do with part 2.
Yeah, I pretty much cried throughout the entire episode.
The guy escorting Joel looks like a young Crix Madine
Excellent reaction and opinion as always! What a fantastic adaptation this show has been, and what a hole its (temporary) end leaves in my weekly viewing, and my very attached heart! Pedro and Bella have been incredible at conveying the complicated dynamic between Joel and Ellie, and how the relationship evolves, and I'm both relieved and profoundly grateful that I can appreciate their performances, while still cherishing the original ones of Troy and Ashley! All the cameos were excellent too! The score is hauntingly beautiful, the direction fantastic, and the cinematography and set-design outstanding! Now for the nervous wait for S2....
The thing is they didn't know for a fact that the cure would work. They were going to kill Ellie on a hunch. And as far as Marlene assuming Ellie would still go along with it knowing that she would die and they weren't 100% sure it would be worth it, her not telling Ellie that beforehand proves even she had doubt. Joel absolutely did the right thing.
Pedro as joel is so fucking perfect. I can't watch them kill him off
I already know I'm going to have a hard time watching S2 ep 1 😭 I've loved Joel's character for so long, and also adore Pedro (def big crush lmao) so it's going to hurt so much watching it
The music for Joel’s “rampage” makes it 10 times more eerie, and how stupid was that doctor….”how did u get in here”?
WELL… I killed the 10 to 15 guys that were in the “abandoned” hospital 😂
Loved this show and experiencing this roller coaster of emotions with you in your reactions. Can’t wait for season 2!
I've said this on every reaction to this episode I've watched, but I 100% believe that Joel did the right thing getting Ellie out and then screwed the pooch by lying to her about it. Twice.
I actually like the scene with Joel kind of toadting Ellie because to me its him trying to sort of trying to share something important by talking about Sarah but not trying to make her uncomfortable or feel like she's just a replacement and he's just so awkward about it and fumbling. He hasn't felt like a parent for a while but he remembers that a daughter won't want to feel compared to another daughter or that they don't meet the same value, he just has a hard time saying she's just as special even if she isn't Sarah and she would have had a place in his family if Sarah was alive
1 of the RNs in the OR was the motion cap and voice actor for Abby.
The thing that always gets me is that Marlene/the Fireflies didn’t ask Ellie’s permission either. They didn’t explain what would happen/what they’d be doing to her so Marlene’s whole speech about Joel saving Ellie was just him doing what he wanted is silly as heck. They were doing what they wanted as well.
Basically, I’m Team Joel/Fireflies suck.
Saving humanity is more important than asking for consent.
@@jasonjackson33 eh humanity is already pretty fucked so fuck the cure
@@jasonjackson33there was no saving humanity. Even if the vaccine worked, it would be impossible to mass produce it in this world and there would still be infected around since nothing can cure them. The world would be forever broken, Joel did the right thing.
@@JDPGH7 It's not impossible. It might have taken years to get the world back to how to was but it would have been successful.
@@jasonjackson33 Uh, no. It’s not. Marlene wasn’t even sure it would work. She said the doctors ‘think’, not the doctors ‘know’. She had no idea if Ellie’s sacrifice would have been worth it. If it hadn’t and they killed her for nothing she would have been forgotten. So she didn’t tell Ellie what was going on so she wouldn’t feel guilt. Had she not been a coward and told Ellie the truth…Ellie would have agreed to the surgery. But Marlene was a coward, so she said nothing.
I love Joel being a savage
Ellie is a depressed 14 year old traumatized girl. Her brain isn’t even fully developed to make a decision to sacrifice herself. Joel made the right decision. He’s guilty of being a bad liar.
Really, not one person thought about tagging spoilers for season 2 before posting in the comment section, huh
Im excited for season 2 i think. That games gonna translate even better as a show then it did as a game. Dont have to play as gabby just have to watch her.
Assuming you're talking about the bus depot area when you were talking about the "subway/tunnel area"
Good section, so many damn infected. But I definitely understand them not using it
doctor was abby's dad (plot for season 2) and the nurse played abby in last of us 2 so cool
That last bit that u said was awkward…I see that as purposeful. Joel is trying to move on and distract ellie from what he just did, so he’s blabbering.
So if we think that ellie would have agreed to sacrifice herself for the greater good, why didnt marlene even give her a chance by asking her for permission? She could have done that in front of joel, too, so he could see that it was ellie’s decision and he’d have to respect that.
Maybe I didn't word it right but I agree with you on what Joel was doing there. As for the Marlene thing, for me, Marlene can't risk it being a question. It's not a question to her. A cure is above any of their wants or desires. Giving Ellie a choice is giving Ellie a chance to say no and the world and Marlene can't accept a no. It's easier for her to make that choice for Ellie otherwise she very well was willing to force her. I don't believe Joel would have accepted Ellie's decision either way if she did choose to do it. I imagine he would have waited for them to put her under and then do exactly what he did and lie. Marlene's only chance was to get Joel out and have the procedure done as fast as they could. But we can only speculate on the what ifs :)
awry parent would have made same choice and he felt like her father already, there mite be another way, but they just went easy and faster way
Ain’t nobody taking his second daughter away from him.
LAURA BAILEY as the nurse!
Also voice one in the game
That Giraffe was Real they got it from a Zoo and Yesterday The Creators of The Last Of Us TV show Have Confirmed The Last Of Us Part 2 Will Be in done in 2 Seasons with Big Changes To The Story in The Last Of Us Part 2 as Well
I am glad that he ended the fireflyes
I loved how the series reveal Joel, the supposed hero of the series transition from the good, the bad into the ugly of his morality.
I admire the ending and the manner in which it divides people. It also showcases that Joel is a flawed character all while demonstrating that love is not the pure thing that people believe it is. With love comes the fear of loss, which can cause a person to act irrationally and selfishly. This initiative spits on Tess's sacrifices and hopes while also taking away Ellie's belief in her life's purpose. We recognise why Joel did it and in another series them ending together would've been considered a happy ending. But it can't really be perceived as such in this case because it comes at the cost of lying to Ellie spite of knowing why she wanted to be the cure and spitting on Tess sacrifice, which is why I love this story.
While being the cure seems important to Ellie, you also have to consider the fact that this is the only thing Ellie has been told she’s good for in a world that she sees is suffering decades later because of the outbreak. It's obvious her severely traumatized, impressionable, adolescent mind is going to think her compliance to this is the most important thing. It’s the only thing she thinks she has to live for, when she should be allowed her own choice, free from outside influence. If this was fresh off the QZ Ellie and she had decided to die for the cure instead of just giving her blood like she initially assumed, i wouldve hated Joel. But it just doesn't sit right with me that the severely traumatized 14 year old had to make that call right then and there. Also it doesn't sit right that they never woke her up to explain the procedure and let her have a final goodbye w Joel. She's not an experiment for good sake's, this was a child that was gonna die for the benefit of everyone else
It's worth mentioning that Marlene and the Fireflies didn't give Ellie a choice either. I personally don't believe in the "greater good" at all costs method they espouse. It's exceedingly unfair to pin the hopes of the world on a 14 yeard old, essentially manipulating her into sacrificing her life for a cure that might not even work. Nevermind the ethics of going through with the surgery without consent or understanding of what it meant.
Do I believe Ellie would have chose to sacrifice herself for the world? Yes. But consent matters even at the end of the world.
I feel bad for Marlene. She made the hard decision, and despite Joel's rampage she still tried to reason with him instead of straight up just ending him and getting Ellie back. The chance of a cure isn't guaranteed but a chance is enough to risk it, plus it's what Ellie would have wanted, that's why SPOILER...
she was angry with Joel in the sequel and that's why Joel hid the truth from her the entire time.
I'm so glad they kept the giraffe scene; I'm not sure why but that's one of the few scenes that really stuck with me from the game, and I was prepared to be disappointed, guessing they might cut it because CGI would look bad, or setting up with a real giraffe might be difficult and impractical...FYI I was told it was a real giraffe!
Also, they've already said Ep 2 would be broken up into 2 seasons.
Laura bailey was also in this episode 😳
As someone who hasn't played the game I kinda was hoping for a longer episode, it was a great episode either way my only complaint is that I wanted more haha.
Having played the game I wanted a longer episode, but more so about the history of Ellie’s mom and how she was connected to Marlene. Because this still leaves us with some questions, just like the game did.
If Marlene had told Ellie what they were going to do, Ellie would have agreed and told that to Joel. Then what would he do? Rescue her from her chosen fate?
But she didn't want to take that chance.
If Ellie thought her death could cause Joel to consider suicide again, do you think she might have some hesitation though?
watch behind the scenes , they tell you who the main protagonist is in season 2 . for something that happened in ep 9
I loved this episode but when Joel killed that doctor I was like damn it and those of you who played the games knows what I'm talking about
As a non-gamer, I'm here for the relationship journey, which has been so satisfying. The infected are pretty irrelevant to me. I see them a few times...I get it. I imagine they're trying to walk a line to please both gamers and non. Seem to be doing a pretty great job overall! I actually put off watching the finale because I didn't want it to be over. Gonna need Emmys for Pedro and Bella. They are a team and equally great! Enjoyed watching with you. See you for S2...
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Super excited for Season 2
I still say this would have been different had they talked to Ellie before surgery. Maybe I have this thought process because I work at a hospital
also: Even if the cure worked, manufacturing it on a large scale would be a whole new problem, and all the different "groups" of people would be fighting over control and who it gets distributed to. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think a cure would fix their problems at this point.
i think Ellie knows, her face at the end
i only really knew ashley from dungeons and dragons hahahah
And I only know her from the series Blind Spot (entertaining, if slightly far-fetched FBI action series) in which she played Patterson, one of the main characters, very well. 😊
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I think the dialogue going up the hill was intended to be awkward. Joel’s not good at talking about such things to begin with, he knows shes in a fragile state and this is almost certainly the first time in nearly twenty years he’s probably verbalized these things. It’d be a little odd if he just spoke about it completely normally. I also couldn’t quite shake the disquieting feeling that there was something.. a little bit disturbed about how Joel was acting. Maybe that’s too strong a word but the scene really did not hit as wholesomely as I’d have expected such a scene would.
I also hope they put an emphasis next season when it comes back around, which I don’t know the games but clearly it must somehow, on that this should have been Ellie’s choice. Not Marlene or Joel’s. Also really hope they drive home that even without them telling her, which they absolutely should have, Joel still knew what Ellie’s choice would be. her speech about Riley left me with little doubt what she would have done given the choice. Just the fact the last death she brings up was Sam, I feel like Ellie absolutely would go through with this just for a chance at saving another kid like Sam. I think that’s why his lie to her was so painful to see, he lied because he knew she would not have wanted this.
Great insights Omni, I agree re the infected would like to have seen a few more as well, re season 2 ..I agree it's so much bigger, I think they might split it in two, with the final episode of season 2 ending with..'.we let you both live and..you both wasted it..' if you know you know.. ans season 3 begins with ...Dad? Dad? ..if you know you know.. thoughts?
God this was soooo good😭
Ranch looked exactly the same. I wondering if the girl is Kat or Dina. What do you think?
So season two starts next Sunday right? 😭😭😭
Probably 2024 or 2025
Filming starts in December
@@mghJD so probably 2025
its something that has never been done before so would it even work if Joel would have let them do it? i wouldn't sacrifice some1 for a maybe even as 3th party, better lab and option to study her to maybe even find a better way without life loss
I absolutely love when characters are ruthless and just killing the bad guys execution style just how they deserve
'bad guys' lmao
@@depecher6s311 I mean yeah what would you call it? They were planning on murdering a little girl and they kidnapped her from the one person who cared for her, then having the full intention on killing him if he tried anything. I’d call them bad guys😂 honestly should have killed the nurses too
@@matthewcovert5055 are you seriously trying to say you don’t see how it could at all be a slightly more nuanced issue than how you are presenting it? I could just as easily cherrypick facts to paint Joel as a murderous monster who doomed the world but I’d rather look at the morality in the grey area where it clearly exists.
I genuinely struggle to believe you even watched the series or played the games if you can come away from the story with this take lmao
@@depecher6s311 you’re clearly someone who doesn’t have family you care about and certainly don’t have a daughter. I’d do anything for family and the people I care about especially in an apocalypse… if you don’t see the problem with killing a child for your own benefit then there’s something seriously wrong with you
Great season
Making me feel old with this "finally get to see Ashley act" stuff man. I grew up with her in my livingroom.
some random doctor knows more about it than the professor in episode 2 huh? A cure for who? Raiders, slavers, cannibals. who are you trying to cure Marlene? what is your production capacity or distribution system? it's an excuse and a stupid one at that. No big loss.
Great finale, great reaction.
If you know you know… anybody spot the Abby actress cameo
I'm so sad it's over
So basically Ellie was inoculated at birth with a bite
This ending has creaed two camps. One which thinks Joel did the right thing and the other that thinks he was wrong. Ellie dies and saves the world (or does she) or she lives and saves Joel. There is no certainty that they would get a cure from her, I for one think it would have been futile and in the early scene of episode one on the TV show from the 60's the expert actually says that there is no cure and no way to make one.
Btw they're splitting part 2 into season two and three
Really ?
@@liza-wv8ho yup they confirmed it because the second game is so much longer than the first there's no way they could do the whole story in just one season
Ellie deserved the choice. If she had chosen to sacrifice herself , I am team Marlene.
She didn't get any say.
She obviously would’ve said yes but I guess from their perspective it was easier to do it without consent because they didn’t wanted to risk it and hear “no” and then do it with force, idk.
@@reynaldolorenzo8409 I think she may have said yes,, but no interactions in the game or show express that she thinks death is even a possibility.
for me though a part of me wonders if the reason ellie would willing to die for the cure was her pain and trauma from david that what he did or tried to do effected her so much just like joel she wanted to end that pain she not in the right head space
and if true is it really her giving that choice or is it the pain making the choice for her
@@deathking1019 she deserved the right to choose.
@autistic ahsoka I think she would have said yes, but like you said, I don't think she realized death was on the table as an option. Even when they are by the fire she asks Joel what they will do after, she's assuming there is an after and she will walk out of there safe with Joel.
I liked the episode and loved AJs performance. But compared to the game, I feel like the rampage seemed out of place because we hadn’t had Joel killing dozens of people/infected every 30 minutes.