I preordered as soon as I could. I still have a lot of faith in the dev team to make this app better. Currently using it with Procreate basic, and there are still things I really love about it! Like you said, the performance mode is really great, and what sold me on the app initially. The app is still fresh, and I wish they waited a little longer to release, but I still feel like this will be a great tool in the future.
Definitely agree! It's a shame that there's a lot that needs to be updated atm with the app, because it's definitely a boon for a lot of artists that need a well-made and easily accessible animation apps (either for free or a one-time purchase option). At least there's also ToonSquid and Callipeg that are also easily accessible for now (and I've seen some animators take scenes they make on regular Procreate and combine them in a video editing app).
It was when I started using it with Procreate basic it really started to shine for me. It is by no means perfect, but I really do think it has potential!
Oh god NO LASSO TOOL?! That’s already a deal-breaker for me 😭 Ngl I had the same problem with the fill tool in base Procreate, but it usually happens if you already transformed tool’ed the line or with a blurry brush and sometimes the higher tolerance bleeds around the white spots and into the rest of the canvas 😭
I believe there might be like something serious going on about the lasso tool bcuz procreate has it and they know how important it is, I bought the app to try to help the devs if money is what is missing and I hope they will fix those things soon
I highly recommend Toon Squid!! lots of features (for eg. symbols, camera layer, an actual lasso tool etc) it's like flash and toon boom had a baby but in a price that's affordable (no subscriptions!)
Toon Squid is what Dreams should have been. What's worse is it was only developed by one person, which is insane to me. It's hardly believable that Toon Squid is far more polished and intuitive compared to Procreate Dreams when it was created by one developer. Perhaps Procreate's development team need to hire him or something.
As a toon squid user I agree it is really good the only thing I’d say it needs is effect features like blurring and other options but besides that it is way better
As a toonsquid user who switched from flip clip but uses procreate for any of my backdrops and such I can heavily vouch for it. What’s also awesome is that I’ve seen people switch over to toonsquid after using more niche programs like Flipnote3D because it has the same brushes!
Question, did that update ever release :3 I'm trying to find beginner animation software for an Ipad. I'm upgrading from a phone and a breaking down dollar store pen + Flipaclip lol, but not sure what software to use (or if I should just get a drawing tablet that can animate)
@@Rucksoxy i don’t believe the update has released yet :/ but in the meantime i’ve been using rough animator on the ipad and it works very well for me if you wanna try it out!!
@@khv12345 Alright, I'll try that out! There's this pretty affordable app that peaked my interest tho, it's called Toonsquid. I'm not sure how good it is but I've been told it's like a better Procreate Dreams (with a lasso tool haha)
And I thought that lassoing a thing in base procreate and then it losing chunk of its quality by moving said selection without even resizing was bad jfc they love making my drawings blurry in every program huh
proceate isn't vector based, so it's kinda to be expected. that's a big talking point of it's competitors & the reason things like both Photoshop *and* Illustrator exist. different tools for different jobs. i guess you kind of get used to it & start drawing things you know you'd only make smaller 😅 it's not ideal, but i'm not surprised based on Procreate's programming
@@Twiddle_things i assume they weren’t talking about the zooming thing in dreams but about the loss of quality when moving objects around thing in base procreate
It's kinda goofy to me that the stuff Dreams gets wrong is stuff it already gets right as a drawing software. You'd think it's issues would be in the animation part, since they're new to that as a company. I don't pretend to know how programming works, but if all the tools for drawing already exist, why couldn't they just take all that work they'd already done and build the "animation" parts around it?
Yeah, I wonder about that too! Wonder if there's something that happens with the code that affects iffy it is when it's squashed/stretched with a lasso tool (since the zoom in features make the sketch blurry)?
The impression I got from some of the answers the account was giving people on Twitter on release day is that they’re prioritizing the 4K canvas size over any of these tools. They’re limited either by the processing power of the ipad or by their own code’s efficiency, so the tools as they are in Procreate would just crash dreams. It is insane to me that they are insisting on 4K, which is frankly almost never necessary for animation and only serves to inflate the file size, when they can’t even get it to look crisp and clean in 4K because of the weird resolution scaling. I really hope they figure out how to do this but it frustrates me that the literal perfect app would just be Dreams with the default Procreate drawing tools imported but that apparently isn’t possible
It's not a problem with the code itself but the design. My hypothesis is they don't have full time artists as part of their team to make sure it's usable. Who knows what their process is, but if they had a single person actually using their tool to work, all of these things would come up on their very office and their priorities would straighten up.
because of you, i got it because it seemed like the best in terms of cost, and ive done a few basic projects of my own as well (mostly for college) and i definately agree with everything you said, aside from one thing you didnt mention (not sure if anybody else has experienced it) i find playback can be a little sketchy as well, where some of the frames appear to flash in the wrong order when checking everything, but in the rendered product they are fine, justa minor visual thing that ive noticed while using it
Another thing that stuck out to me was the stablization. I usually work on very low stablization since it slows down the brush, and while procreate dreams has a stability setting, it works for all brushes at once and does not turn down all the way. The lowest stability setting at least on the brushes i use still are super stabilized. I dont know if they fixed it yet but i was honestly disappointed but still holding hope for the future 😭
This is the first review ive seen that isnt glazing it like its the best app in existence. the same is with procreate in general. it heavily lacks so many features. but its talked about like its the best app in existence
I like to think that Dreams biggest saving grace is that you can actually make genuine official looking animations when applying the finishing touches. Like that example they had with the characters floating and holding hands, if you can make stuff like in that dreams then it’s worth the price. But the biggest problem is literally the Drawing part. Which is still insane to imagine that’s the biggest flaw for this app.
I feel like that the best use for it at least for now is using it for those finishing touches or very simple things like animating existing drawings. But as a beginner I found it extremely frustrating even trying to do basic animation exercises in it because the program just doesn't work intuitively at all. It's so hard to believe the same company as procreate made this app because they seemingly overlooked SO much functionality and QOL But
@@sugarskulls2817 One way I'm working around it is by drawing and finishing all the frames in procreate. Import it to dreams and edit the key frames for how long or short I planned the animation to be. And add all the finishing touches afterwards like glow, gaussian blur or that record function. Tedious? Yes. But better than drawing on the official app for now.
You can hire a professional animator to draw everything and make everything look good -there's are the info doing anything that looks good with his program someone who can draw every frame
i dont care if it doesnt have the flaws yet i literally understand it 100 times better than flipaclip for some reason i have never worked out flipaclip i just dont like it. i’ll keep using procreate dreams for animatics and once they add these features i can finally feel like i have clean animation also good editing on this video i’ll sub lol frik i cant fype ohy yny phoeneee
@@AnimationonaBudget Definitely agree! It's a shame because it would be a popular app otherwise (since it can be worked on a phone as well as an iPad). Absolutely hate it when apps that do well end up going the subscription route - alienating their customers that can't afford/keep up with subscription services shows their focus is more on greed than on offering more artists a chance to animate... 0_0
hi! student animator here. some of these “features” are standard in the animation specific program i use, toonboom harmony. it’s a very standard program for the industry. the new drawing making only one frame and not being able to merge layers, as well as onion skin referencing frames are all normal. the PROBLEM is that dreams looks (because i haven’t used it myself) like it’s insanely unintuitive to use. i can just. grab the little tab of the onion skin on the timeline and drag it to where i want it if it’s too short, for example. that doesn’t seem to be the case here. this seems half baked at best. also that resolution problem is like. absolutely awful what the hell
dreams is SO unintuitive i can confirm. that's kind of a procreate thing in general, lots of features are kind of hidden in both apps, but it's so much worse in dreams because of the added complexity of it being an animation app. it looks nice and sleek and minimalist, but the user experience is Rough until you just. get used to it. and look up how to do things because it is not obvious.
@@Bobzora yeah i use procreate. it took me a long time to get used to it and i still don’t really like the lack of blending options. but that’s just how it is, i like being able to draw digitally on the go
Im a classical animator, I am honestly loving it. The lasso tool is the only thing I really, really need. The undo bugg for me happens after I undo 4 times, Yes it is annoying, but by understanding this I can avoid the hassle of erasing all my lines less. I do find a lot of what you say annoying, but still, of all the animation programs I have used on the I pad it is personally the one I find most comfortable. And I just love to draw on my I pad more than in my tablet....Im also kind of sick of Adobe's abusive policies, so I am fine with procreate, clip studio, blender, etc.
Procreate Dreams is great and could end up being one of the best animation apps for people if it does eventually fix its problems, and let’s hope it’s soon. I own the app, and the lasso tool being non-existent really annoys me 😭💔 Being unable to move a drawing or a specific part of it causes a lot of problems, say I messed up an arm placement and want to position it a little, without the lasso tool, I’d have to completely redraw the arm. It is the worst problem by far. Procreate Dreams defiently has BIG potential. Though if they want that, they’re going to need to fix their problems ASAP as it completely ruins the app experience.
i can’t not believe it’s been near half a year since release and they still haven’t fixed half the main complaints. if it wasn’t ready they should have just put it in beta tbh
i'm glad procreate dreams exists, i was a preorder/day 1 user and i know they have it in them to fix it... i just sure hope it's soon, because oh man. there are lots of little issues that build up really fast. the lasso tool is number one, of course, because manually erasing everything and having to correct the wonky fill tool without being able to use a selection fill is SO rough (especially as someone who has arm issues! that's an unnecessary physical strain and workflow killer!) there is no way i'm making another big project in it until they fix their app, that's for sure
Also, you cannot warp or distort drawings that have multiple layers. I still resort to ToonSquid and Adobe Fresco for now…They also both have Vector anyways. Interesting app though. Just not complete.
You can, but you have to put all of those layers into the same group first. Ngl, it took me a long time to figure out how powerful grouping in Dreams can be.
@@cleanbeanArt I don’t think we’re talking about the same things. I’m referring to drawing layers (lineart, color, shade and highlight) for a single drawing. If you have these as separate layers but on the same drawing like in normal apps or programs. You cannot warp/distort that drawing because that drawing in the timeline that has multiple drawing layers. It will give you an error message saying “warp cannot be applied to this content” / distort. Idk if this makes sense? It’s been a known thing for awhile now. Only work around for this currently is to duplicate your lineart layer after you’ve completed the animation and color that duplicated lineart layer.
@@lilyofluck371don’t take things out of context please….there is no harassment done with emoji kiss. Blaming him for laughing is very absurd and unbecoming of you. A simple emoji kiss is not anything but a way to show his love for knowledge from his teacher or so. Please refrain from reading too much meaning to emojis.
Definitely agree that Procreate Dreams has potential to be a better animation app once it gets more updates (and hopefully it improves a lot since it would be a major boon for artists that can't afford/keep up with subscription services). Was wondering what you think about ToonSquid and Callipeg as well?
I don’t know why they didn’t just expand on the normal animation feature on procreate 😭 I thought the point of this was to have the same features. Being able to liquefy and warp would make the animating so much easier? I also thought that the innovation of this app was that you could draw and then animate individual things like “rigging” easily and have multiple things animated on different layers/tracks, but atm it’s all so confusing and fiddly
I pre ordered procreate last year. But I wish I didn’t because I didn’t know how complicated it was until I saw the platform. I use FlipaClip because it’s just easier for me to use. I love Procreate, but I don’t think I’m going to use Procreate Dreams anytime soon
I’m pretty sure Procreate built it to be their premier pro, so you would start in Procreate create your original scene and then import that scene into procreate dreams. so procreate is more composing tool than an actual nitpicky development for your animation tool. pretty much like building a booklet in Adobe you make your ad and images in Photoshop and illustrator, then composite them into the booklet in indesign. Not a one app for everything app
I really appreciate your review on this. I just got dreams after using regular procreate for a few months and wanted to see how the animation tool was. Your review hit every nail on the head from my experience these past few weeks. Thanks for doing your due diligence!! 💜
Can’t agree more! I’m not even an animator I’ve taken up storyboarding and the lack of certain tools like adjusting the frame lengths are frustrating. I hope that alongside learning the app as well as awaiting future updates will Improve its quality of life use. Great video!
My biggest complaint is that it doesn’t feel that natural to draw? Idk how to explain it but most digital art software just feels off and kinda robotic to draw with, I love procreate so much cause it’s the only art program I’ve tried that feels so natural to draw with to me But that robotic clunkyness is felt HARD in dreams
So odd that whilst OG Procreate was championed for how intuitive it’s interface was, Dreams requires you to read its handbook to make sense it’s bizarre workflow.
7:18 this is totally unrelated but i got jumpscared when i heard polka pop as background music, and i got jumpscared bc this days i listen to that almost every day-
I did my most recent animation in dreams and it was kind of a nightmare. I sincerely hope that 1.1 update comes out soon and fixes many of these issues.
The iPad will be what I use to start practicing animation this year, but after reading feedback on several apps, I decided to go with Toon Squid for the meantime. I will likely end up buying Dreams down the road, simply because I have confidence in the team behind it and the original Procreate. They added update after update to make that thing a formidable software, even letting you paint on 3D models and have very basic 2D animations.
I don't understand why the people they commissioned to make promotional animations for them never gave them any feedback or said anything about all these missing features.
I heard Toon Squid is not only cheaper, it has better animation tools in there as well compared to Procreate Dreams. Just wanted to put this comment if anyone wants a different animation app.
I'm so looking forward to updates in the future, I'm probably too faithful but I really believe they're working on issues and critiques people have and it'll just get better and better
@@marcgoodrich I can understand that, my thought process is "well the time's gonna pass anyway" so I can stick to dreams waiting for the updates or use a different program until it's got the features I'm missing
The app crashed on me twice when I first started using it and I’ve been too scared to use it since then but I do see it’s potential and I bet it’ll be amazing once all the bugs are fixed and missing features gets added ^^
Omg yes, I got it the day it released and was so confused on how to use it. I waited a couple weeks for RUclips videos and that helped, but the zoom having an effect on pencil size and quality is ridiculous. I’ve found it hard to use, so I really hope they improve it in future because I was so so excited for it when I heard about it before release (you’re video came out great you’re very talented)
It was such a disappointment that you can see the bones for a great animation app but it’s not possible for it to be consistent with anything. I blame the insistence on using gestures for everything instead of normal static buttons.
Things I’ve noticed while using it. No lasso No QuickShape No vector brushes Cannot merge layers. Cannot warp/distort if there’s multiple layers. Most of these things are in original procreate which makes no sense. But, toggling back and forth between 2 apps is counterintuitive and wastes a lot of time for me. For now, I use ToonSquid and Adobe Fresco. I recommend these to anyone wanting to animate on an iPad.
honestly as much as i want to get into fully animating without the hassle, i’d rather just stick with Procreate’s basic animation feature. It’s clean, simple, has all the features of procreate, with the only downside being clunkiness and editing having to be done off app. it’s alright though.
I personally use macromedia flash 8 but I am very glad that procreate dreams is out because I do not want Adobe to have a stranglehold on the market. So I hope it gets good.
thank you for making this!! i was considering getting the app for my birthday (march 18) and you just saved me $20 hajajsa ❤❤ new sub just because of that
For me I couldn’t really figure out how to color in without it spreading to all frames, it’s probably just a me thing but using the app is really frustrating
i feel like theres afew things you forgot to mention, so ima list em off here. also these are problems i had when using them, so i dont know if anyone has problems with them, so yeah- anyways- first it that zooming in and out of your drawing, also undos, because, they both use two fingers to move, and undo. no brush cursor (i got very used to it, when using just procreate, and i would like to beable to enable it on procreate dreams. also that a lot of the buttons are in different spots, like the way to get out of your animation, isn't at the top corner, but instead beside the name of the animation. and also there being no lasso tool, because i keep on tapping where it is on procreate, just for nothing to happen, making me annoyed, that i cant use the lasso tool. and the fact that if you want to turn your drawing layer around (or well, track.), you have to like- go to move and scale, and you have to tap on one of the corners, just to turn the thing around. like- i had to look up a damn tutorial up, just to know how to turn something. like yeah- its pretty annoying, not actually just being able to automatically see the way to turn something, but instead having to tap something, just to see it. one more thing, is that, when you add a video to an animation, you dont have the option to just- add the sound, and not the video. other than all that, i still think it's decent, and the way to easily animate some stuff, is like cutecut and capcut, and the fact that you only have to buy it once just to use it is nice, so thats nice.
oh yeah, and two more things- i cant seem to import colours or colour palettes from procreate, to procreate dream. and you cant save brush sizes on procreate dreams, like you can on just procreate (i say this, because i tend to always use these four brush sizes [well really just one of them, and its brush size two.] and not being able to have the brush sizes saved on procreate dreams, is annoying, especially when you want to use a different brush size, but you also want to keep the brush size you prefer using.)
I thought the pixelation problem was with the brush omg... and I hope they fix it (procreate too) so that when you readjust something it doesn't get pixelated
I was definitely really disappointed by the lack of the lasso tool :( And I hope they add it soon. I havent heard.. Much? in way of updates? But I also haven't been keeping up with news to be fair. I wish they released the app completely finished!! I was so sad by how poor it felt to use. I will say though, I think my first animation made on it was.. A little better without the lasso tool? Because I wasn't relying on it. It felt bouncier. It WAS a nice exercise. I hope they improve it soon!
I just wish it had every tool procreate does, the lack of a lasso sucks SO hard. It’s not super intuitive to use either, everything being a random gesture that is not shown to you kinda sucks. I have huge lag issues with the color fill and it bothers me so bad. I really hope they improve the app since I can’t afford to get anything else currently.
I was planning on actually getting procreate dreams so this video was very helpful! I’m sure that they’ll be updating and fixing a lot of things in the future. But we need that lasso tool immediately, it’s my savior for all my animations and drawing. 😭 Also, I loved how Gregory showed up lol.
The amount of times I’ve tried to use the select tool only to remember its absence is too many times 😔. Also thank you, Gregory wanted to be in the video
I used procreate dreams for one day, and what i learned is dont get procreate dreams, at least until updates fix issues. but it needs a complete UI overhaul, rn im still sticking with toonsquid
I mean we did just get it, so it’s only gonna get better. Procreate vanilla wasn’t perfect upon release either. I do agree with all your points tho, not having selection tools (besides grouping the frames in the timeline) is very annoying.
How... How, HOW!!! How can you release animation software WITHOUT a lasso tool? That's like peanut butter and jelly with no bread, that's like a bike with no handlebars, that's like coke without the pennies taste!! It boggles the mind to think in the year of our lord JESUS 2024 that a company like Procreate with teams of skilled individuals working hard to push out a GRADE A product would forget such a thing!! It was like they were so busy playing knock-a-door run on the local senior citizens who are very much senile and are highly confused by having hoodlum design staff barrage their doors with a flurry of punches that adding this specific very important feature flew right over their heads and directly into Old Lady Regeis's back yard! Fortunately for them, they have the smartest girl in ALL of animation to descend from the heavens and strike them with a FURY never seen before by man! They tremble in your greatness, Animation on a Budget!!! P.S. plz put me a reoccring cameo character 🥺🥺🍛🧂🍢
I’ve been in the dark on this app since people were hyping it up and then lots of those same people went silent on it. I guess it makes sense now, what a laughably bad app launch. At least they are fixings it
I personally prefer using a less expensive app over investing in a pricey one that may not give me the desired results. It's worth noting that even some of the 'better' apps had some issues in the beginning. As for drawing, I use Procreate, but for animation, I stick to Procreate Dreams (I import my drawings to Procreate Dreams). Please don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to criticize anyone who uses different tools. This is just my personal preference and opinion.
I was looking forward to this, thinking that I could storyboard while traveling, but well it’s definitely disappointing. I’m not fan of the “launch now, fix later” trend.
I was really pissed at first when I got the app, and now I just animate frame by frame on procreate then import to dreams for editing and complex stuff.
A really good video!! You brought up a few things that I didn't even realize myself Two more big issues that I have - one that would be really helpful, and one that would be REALLY helpful: - The lack of a draw-and-hold function. The kind of function base Procreate has where you can, say, draw a line, hold it in place, and it'll straighten. This doesnt exist in Dreams, which makes animating static or rigid objects really tedious - Similar to the lasso (because I think it'll act here as well) is the ability to mass select multiple frames in the editor. Currently, if you want to move frames around in the editor, you have to drag them one at a time, which also includes moving frames out of the way as I don't think there's a way for frames to be pushed around in a cohesive way. This also applies to if you want to change the duration of, add keyfranes to, or make any changes to multiple franes at a time. It can be really, *really* difficult to manage aspects of the animation because of this
You have to remember that procreate dreams is being built from the the ground up there will have to be a way to put the lasso tool so that it works on the play head screen even though it has been in production for so long
Very good analysis! I have some faith that a lot of the issues will be fixed with time (also I once tweeted about being able to export things with transparent backgrounds and the CEO of Procreate responded saying they want to implement that?? So woo for us emote artists I guess), but yeah currently I only use dreams if it's necessary for the type of animation I'm doing due to all these problems you mentioned
as someone who has BAREY used opentoonz and pivot animator this still sounds better than what i am currently using i guess ime will tell if its better or not :)
Just the fact it has audio import and a one time payment makes it already so great. Honestly I could do my animation in procreate and import it into dream for audio and editing and that would be enough
Just a couple things I noticed while using it: If you wanna change the frame rate of your animation, it completely messes up the timing of everything. Fortunately I found this out while just messing around with settings, but I can’t imagine trying to go from 12 fps to 24 fps after animating and having to adjust the timing on every frame you’d already finished. Also I haven’t really used any other animation programs so idk if this is standard lol. The second thing is that if you make a screen recording and then put that into your timeline it messes up the audio. A few seconds into the audio, it will skip forwards a couple seconds. I don’t know how to fix it, and I’ve only noticed this with screen recordings.
THE SECOND THING I THOUGHT I WAS INSANE. I THOUGHT IT WAS IN MY HEAD. THANK YOU. why does it do that. also yeah i tried changing the fps of one of my animations and very quickly gave up after it's just not worth it. guess you have to figure out what fps you want real early! lol
BRO I'M SO GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THIS HAPPENS TO LOL I've been looking online to see if there's a fix for the audio thing and I couldn't find anyone else with this problem. The way I work around it is I start recording several seconds before playing the audio I want to record, then when I put the audio into dreams the skip should be in the silent part before the audio. Then I just move it so the silent part is outside my timeline. Idk if that made sense lol, I struggle explaining things without being able to show them visually
@@Cookie-bg3lwyeah that makes sense! it's too late for the stuff i've already made rip but that seems like a good idea going forward unless/until they fix that super weird issue LOL. procreate dreams is an app
Can you make more Procreate Dreams videos please? I really enjoyed this one, this was equally insightful as it was entertaining. I subscribed, great video! 👍
The dev team has supported base procreate with heeeaps of free updates so I have faith dreams will improve. The way it is now I still prefer to animate in base procreate though.
I already knew to not get Procreate Dreams when it came out, because I knew they were probably putting it out to test the waters and see how it goes. They’re most likely already planning out a newer version with more stuff.
if you select a layer mode on a clipping mask and change the opacity sometimes it will turn back into the ”normal” layer mode everytime you change the opacity ✨
Kinda feels like the app is too demanding of the iPad. Like with the undo thing, maybe it combines strokes into “one stroke” to optimize the performance? Incredible how many things are missing or not functioning correct! It definitely feels like it’s in beta now. Hope they make it as amazing as they want it to be.
There’s no way to edit pen properties, which is the main thing that upsets me. Also, when you go full canvas and then go back to your timeline, your timeline is all stretched out and tehre’s no way of fixing it unless you exit the video itself and then go back on
One time I sent them a report about some missing feature. And they write it will never be because of the 1 million pixel. WHO THE HECK ON EARTH NEEDS THAT BIG CANVAS??? Why they don't ask what PEOPLE need? I guess THIS the what cause these issues. (Sorry for writing loud)
I clicked on this for the thumbnail alone. I'm and old, old, crochet woman because I still use CS3. It's one of the last ones before they became subscription assholes, a relic from the bygone days when we actually own the shit we paid for. *lays facedown on the floor* Who the fuck doesn't give you a lasso tool?
I think part of the issues are user errors. I add images on a separate track and it works great. It’s not perfect yet. Definitely would like to see the lasso tool and some other features in Procreate but, for $20, no subscriptions, free updates, I’m loving Procreate Dreams.
Yes. The undo bug has given me some big scares. 😅 So far I’ve animated only using the performance mode and through keyframing, so I can do all the drawing on procreate and then I import it to Dreams. But I wish to learn how to do it frame by frame. So, I hope they add the lasso tool soon. 😊
Hi, I’ve used ToonSquid a bit! I’m not the most experienced animator nor have I used procreate dreams so I can’t say how well of an alternative it is, but I’ve definitely been having fun with it! The features it has seem pretty promising for doing larger projects and I’m excited to mess with them further. My main complaint is that I’ve found it to be a little laggy at times, but I don’t think it’s unbearable. I don’t think I’ve used it enough to make a proper recommendation, but it’s really affordable and I do think it’s worth looking into for anyone interested!!
Toon Squid is great! I started using it shortly before Dreams came out and I've been able to make some fun animations. It has so many more features compared to Dreams, including a rigging system, lasso tool, easing presets, and a better UI.
yeah toonsquid is awesome :D my only gripe so far is that bigger porjects have to be split in scenes, anything longer than probably a minute and 20 is too much for a single TS file xD some other small gripes too but im sure in the next update, it'll be fine :3 us toonsquiders are currently waiting for the next update (might be a big one too since its been 5 months)
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I preordered as soon as I could. I still have a lot of faith in the dev team to make this app better. Currently using it with Procreate basic, and there are still things I really love about it! Like you said, the performance mode is really great, and what sold me on the app initially. The app is still fresh, and I wish they waited a little longer to release, but I still feel like this will be a great tool in the future.
Yeah I still have a lot of faith in it, hope the lasso tool comes out soon 😁🤞
Definitely agree! It's a shame that there's a lot that needs to be updated atm with the app, because it's definitely a boon for a lot of artists that need a well-made and easily accessible animation apps (either for free or a one-time purchase option). At least there's also ToonSquid and Callipeg that are also easily accessible for now (and I've seen some animators take scenes they make on regular Procreate and combine them in a video editing app).
@@AnimationonaBudgetthere was a compatibility update for “everything coming your way” last week, maybeee there will be the lasso tool with that..?
It was when I started using it with Procreate basic it really started to shine for me. It is by no means perfect, but I really do think it has potential!
Very diplomatic response.
Oh god NO LASSO TOOL?!
That’s already a deal-breaker for me 😭
Ngl I had the same problem with the fill tool in base Procreate, but it usually happens if you already transformed tool’ed the line or with a blurry brush and sometimes the higher tolerance bleeds around the white spots and into the rest of the canvas 😭
There is a lasso tool.. kinda. Click on the drawing and click on the action option in your track, and then click move, u can zoom/rotate/etc
@@GreyishKnotthere isnt the option to only take certain parts on a layer though :[
I believe there might be like something serious going on about the lasso tool bcuz procreate has it and they know how important it is, I bought the app to try to help the devs if money is what is missing and I hope they will fix those things soon
@@GreyishKnotThat’s just layer select, no?
No lasso tool AND no Reference layers is a double whammy straight from hell
Procreate only having one reference layer at a time was already offensive enough
@@ChromiumCastlehow would multiple reference layers work?? I think 1 is the only number that makes sense
@@OGCalicant literally every other app you can fill using multiple layers
@@ChromiumCastle oh. Like filling in line art that’s in different layers? I’ve never heard of that…
@@OGCalicant Have you only ever used procreate?
I highly recommend Toon Squid!! lots of features (for eg. symbols, camera layer, an actual lasso tool etc) it's like flash and toon boom had a baby but in a price that's affordable (no subscriptions!)
Toon Squid is what Dreams should have been. What's worse is it was only developed by one person, which is insane to me. It's hardly believable that Toon Squid is far more polished and intuitive compared to Procreate Dreams when it was created by one developer. Perhaps Procreate's development team need to hire him or something.
@@eldritchbeauty ONE person??!! AND it's only 9usd??? that's so crazy! Toon Squid needs more love.
Haha, thank lord that was the first animation app I paid for
(Cough I did pay Filpaclip for more layers, but Imma pretend I didn’t)
As a toon squid user I agree it is really good the only thing I’d say it needs is effect features like blurring and other options but besides that it is way better
As a toonsquid user who switched from flip clip but uses procreate for any of my backdrops and such I can heavily vouch for it. What’s also awesome is that I’ve seen people switch over to toonsquid after using more niche programs like Flipnote3D because it has the same brushes!
ill be honest the lack of lasso tool just straight up makes it unusable to me 😭 i’ll be patiently waiting for that update
As someone who uses the lasso tool A TON and prefers to use it over the bucket and erease tool: no 20€ for procreate
Same here
Question, did that update ever release :3 I'm trying to find beginner animation software for an Ipad. I'm upgrading from a phone and a breaking down dollar store pen + Flipaclip lol, but not sure what software to use (or if I should just get a drawing tablet that can animate)
@@Rucksoxy i don’t believe the update has released yet :/ but in the meantime i’ve been using rough animator on the ipad and it works very well for me if you wanna try it out!!
@@khv12345 Alright, I'll try that out! There's this pretty affordable app that peaked my interest tho, it's called Toonsquid. I'm not sure how good it is but I've been told it's like a better Procreate Dreams (with a lasso tool haha)
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ZOOM DETERMINES RESOLUTION?!?!?! ANddda dsa ehhhhh what do you mean it's not the worst????? How HOW is that not the worst???
Haha yeah, I was so surprised by that, really have to be aware how zoomed it is while you’re drawing 💀
And I thought that lassoing a thing in base procreate and then it losing chunk of its quality by moving said selection without even resizing was bad jfc they love making my drawings blurry in every program huh
proceate isn't vector based, so it's kinda to be expected. that's a big talking point of it's competitors & the reason things like both Photoshop *and* Illustrator exist. different tools for different jobs. i guess you kind of get used to it & start drawing things you know you'd only make smaller 😅
it's not ideal, but i'm not surprised based on Procreate's programming
@@dogwalk3 flipaclip isnt vector based and yet zooming in/out doesnt change the resolution? How does being vector based relate
@@Twiddle_things i assume they weren’t talking about the zooming thing in dreams but about the loss of quality when moving objects around thing in base procreate
THE SECURITY BREACH OF ANIMATION APPS LOL
YOU DID NOT JUST-
procreate dreams ruin when
@@Bobzora LMAO THIS
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It's kinda goofy to me that the stuff Dreams gets wrong is stuff it already gets right as a drawing software. You'd think it's issues would be in the animation part, since they're new to that as a company. I don't pretend to know how programming works, but if all the tools for drawing already exist, why couldn't they just take all that work they'd already done and build the "animation" parts around it?
Ikr?! I just know they are struggling, wish they would have kept polishing before release
Yeah, I wonder about that too! Wonder if there's something that happens with the code that affects iffy it is when it's squashed/stretched with a lasso tool (since the zoom in features make the sketch blurry)?
I have asked this question so many times and never got an answer. They already have a select tool tool, how in the hell is that not in Dreams already
The impression I got from some of the answers the account was giving people on Twitter on release day is that they’re prioritizing the 4K canvas size over any of these tools. They’re limited either by the processing power of the ipad or by their own code’s efficiency, so the tools as they are in Procreate would just crash dreams. It is insane to me that they are insisting on 4K, which is frankly almost never necessary for animation and only serves to inflate the file size, when they can’t even get it to look crisp and clean in 4K because of the weird resolution scaling. I really hope they figure out how to do this but it frustrates me that the literal perfect app would just be Dreams with the default Procreate drawing tools imported but that apparently isn’t possible
It's not a problem with the code itself but the design. My hypothesis is they don't have full time artists as part of their team to make sure it's usable.
Who knows what their process is, but if they had a single person actually using their tool to work, all of these things would come up on their very office and their priorities would straighten up.
because of you, i got it because it seemed like the best in terms of cost, and ive done a few basic projects of my own as well (mostly for college) and i definately agree with everything you said, aside from one thing you didnt mention (not sure if anybody else has experienced it)
i find playback can be a little sketchy as well, where some of the frames appear to flash in the wrong order when checking everything, but in the rendered product they are fine, justa minor visual thing that ive noticed while using it
I’ve think seen that problem too! I really hope we get some big updates soon
toon squid is way way better and costs $10
@@antares3030 sell me on it, I've been sitting on procreate dreams because I felt it wouldn't be the greatest, I felt it was rushed out
Another thing that stuck out to me was the stablization. I usually work on very low stablization since it slows down the brush, and while procreate dreams has a stability setting, it works for all brushes at once and does not turn down all the way. The lowest stability setting at least on the brushes i use still are super stabilized. I dont know if they fixed it yet but i was honestly disappointed but still holding hope for the future 😭
I don’t mind it as a beginner but I need my lasso tool 🥴
We need it! 😭
I don’t even use the eraser, only lasso 😭 that would be miserable
ToonSquid needs WAAAY more love.
The Goliath El Chip at 7:10 absolutely SENT me. The rest of the frames parted for him like he was Moses.
FUNNIEST COMMENT
This is the first review ive seen that isnt glazing it like its the best app in existence. the same is with procreate in general. it heavily lacks so many features. but its talked about like its the best app in existence
Having the lasso tool would be great but also having the function to draw a perfect circle like in Procreate would be nice to have.
I like to think that Dreams biggest saving grace is that you can actually make genuine official looking animations when applying the finishing touches. Like that example they had with the characters floating and holding hands, if you can make stuff like in that dreams then it’s worth the price. But the biggest problem is literally the Drawing part. Which is still insane to imagine that’s the biggest flaw for this app.
I feel like that the best use for it at least for now is using it for those finishing touches or very simple things like animating existing drawings.
But as a beginner I found it extremely frustrating even trying to do basic animation exercises in it because the program just doesn't work intuitively at all.
It's so hard to believe the same company as procreate made this app because they seemingly overlooked SO much functionality and QOL
But
@@sugarskulls2817 One way I'm working around it is by drawing and finishing all the frames in procreate. Import it to dreams and edit the key frames for how long or short I planned the animation to be. And add all the finishing touches afterwards like glow, gaussian blur or that record function. Tedious? Yes. But better than drawing on the official app for now.
You can hire a professional animator to draw everything and make everything look good -there's are the info doing anything that looks good with his program someone who can draw every frame
i dont care if it doesnt have the flaws yet
i literally understand it 100 times better than flipaclip
for some reason i have never worked out flipaclip i just dont like it. i’ll keep using procreate dreams for animatics and once they add these features i can finally feel like i have clean animation
also good editing on this video i’ll sub lol frik i cant fype ohy yny phoeneee
I can’t believe flipaclip has the nerve to create a subscription service, no one wants to subscribe to flipaclip premium!
@@AnimationonaBudget
Definitely agree! It's a shame because it would be a popular app otherwise (since it can be worked on a phone as well as an iPad). Absolutely hate it when apps that do well end up going the subscription route - alienating their customers that can't afford/keep up with subscription services shows their focus is more on greed than on offering more artists a chance to animate... 0_0
Never even used flipaclip but CSP/Toon squid exists
7:30 idk what you mean, one must always make way for El Chip 😂
You are absolutely right 😂
I'm too familiar with base Procreate animation, can't transition yet while hearing Dreams seems unfinished.
THERE IS NO DARN LASSO TOOL???? THATS LIKE THE BARE BASICS OF DIGITAL ART
hi! student animator here. some of these “features” are standard in the animation specific program i use, toonboom harmony. it’s a very standard program for the industry. the new drawing making only one frame and not being able to merge layers, as well as onion skin referencing frames are all normal. the PROBLEM is that dreams looks (because i haven’t used it myself) like it’s insanely unintuitive to use. i can just. grab the little tab of the onion skin on the timeline and drag it to where i want it if it’s too short, for example. that doesn’t seem to be the case here. this seems half baked at best. also that resolution problem is like. absolutely awful what the hell
dreams is SO unintuitive i can confirm. that's kind of a procreate thing in general, lots of features are kind of hidden in both apps, but it's so much worse in dreams because of the added complexity of it being an animation app. it looks nice and sleek and minimalist, but the user experience is Rough until you just. get used to it. and look up how to do things because it is not obvious.
@@Bobzora yeah i use procreate. it took me a long time to get used to it and i still don’t really like the lack of blending options. but that’s just how it is, i like being able to draw digitally on the go
Im a classical animator, I am honestly loving it. The lasso tool is the only thing I really, really need. The undo bugg for me happens after I undo 4 times, Yes it is annoying, but by understanding this I can avoid the hassle of erasing all my lines less. I do find a lot of what you say annoying, but still, of all the animation programs I have used on the I pad it is personally the one I find most comfortable. And I just love to draw on my I pad more than in my tablet....Im also kind of sick of Adobe's abusive policies, so I am fine with procreate, clip studio, blender, etc.
Out of topic but your drawing style is really expressive and ur character is adorable! keep the good work
Aw Thabk you so much ( ◠‿◠ )
Procreate Dreams is great and could end up being one of the best animation apps for people if it does eventually fix its problems, and let’s hope it’s soon.
I own the app, and the lasso tool being non-existent really annoys me 😭💔 Being unable to move a drawing or a specific part of it causes a lot of problems, say I messed up an arm placement and want to position it a little, without the lasso tool, I’d have to completely redraw the arm. It is the worst problem by far.
Procreate Dreams defiently has BIG potential. Though if they want that, they’re going to need to fix their problems ASAP as it completely ruins the app experience.
the tweening recording thing is so awesome but the lack of lasso tool really is a deal breaker
@@nitebreak Yeah same, i love the tweening but the lasso tool is kind of a necessity for a lot of people unfortuanetly...
I didn't buy this app because I am hoping that they can fix everything. I just want animate ,I was suckered in ,what a waste.
i can’t not believe it’s been near half a year since release and they still haven’t fixed half the main complaints. if it wasn’t ready they should have just put it in beta tbh
i'm glad procreate dreams exists, i was a preorder/day 1 user and i know they have it in them to fix it... i just sure hope it's soon, because oh man. there are lots of little issues that build up really fast. the lasso tool is number one, of course, because manually erasing everything and having to correct the wonky fill tool without being able to use a selection fill is SO rough (especially as someone who has arm issues! that's an unnecessary physical strain and workflow killer!)
there is no way i'm making another big project in it until they fix their app, that's for sure
Also, you cannot warp or distort drawings that have multiple layers. I still resort to ToonSquid and Adobe Fresco for now…They also both have Vector anyways. Interesting app though. Just not complete.
You can, but you have to put all of those layers into the same group first. Ngl, it took me a long time to figure out how powerful grouping in Dreams can be.
@@cleanbeanArt I don’t think we’re talking about the same things. I’m referring to drawing layers (lineart, color, shade and highlight) for a single drawing. If you have these as separate layers but on the same drawing like in normal apps or programs. You cannot warp/distort that drawing because that drawing in the timeline that has multiple drawing layers. It will give you an error message saying “warp cannot be applied to this content” / distort. Idk if this makes sense? It’s been a known thing for awhile now. Only work around for this currently is to duplicate your lineart layer after you’ve completed the animation and color that duplicated lineart layer.
A new release from the bestest animator on the platform 😘! All of my procreate dreams questions have been answered, and more! This made my week!
Please refrain from kissing me sir, I don’t know who you are
@@AnimationonaBudget haha! you're so funny!
@@suduwuduI don't know why you're laughing. You did a harassment and you're laughing!!!?? /j
@@lilyofluck371don’t take things out of context please….there is no harassment done with emoji kiss. Blaming him for laughing is very absurd and unbecoming of you. A simple emoji kiss is not anything but a way to show his love for knowledge from his teacher or so. Please refrain from reading too much meaning to emojis.
Definitely agree that Procreate Dreams has potential to be a better animation app once it gets more updates (and hopefully it improves a lot since it would be a major boon for artists that can't afford/keep up with subscription services). Was wondering what you think about ToonSquid and Callipeg as well?
I don’t know why they didn’t just expand on the normal animation feature on procreate 😭
I thought the point of this was to have the same features.
Being able to liquefy and warp would make the animating so much easier?
I also thought that the innovation of this app was that you could draw and then animate individual things like “rigging” easily and have multiple things animated on different layers/tracks, but atm it’s all so confusing and fiddly
As someone who animates in procreate and does finishing touches in dreams, imported brushes not being the same size is kinda infuriating
I pre ordered procreate last year. But I wish I didn’t because I didn’t know how complicated it was until I saw the platform. I use FlipaClip because it’s just easier for me to use. I love Procreate, but I don’t think I’m going to use Procreate Dreams anytime soon
I’m pretty sure Procreate built it to be their premier pro, so you would start in Procreate create your original scene and then import that scene into procreate dreams. so procreate is more composing tool than an actual nitpicky development for your animation tool. pretty much like building a booklet in Adobe you make your ad and images in Photoshop and illustrator, then composite them into the booklet in indesign. Not a one app for everything app
I really appreciate your review on this. I just got dreams after using regular procreate for a few months and wanted to see how the animation tool was. Your review hit every nail on the head from my experience these past few weeks. Thanks for doing your due diligence!! 💜
REAL!! The Undo glitch has me seething! I hope the fact they’re taking so long means they’re spending a good time polishing.
I'm praying frfr
Can’t agree more! I’m not even an animator I’ve taken up storyboarding and the lack of certain tools like adjusting the frame lengths are frustrating. I hope that alongside learning the app as well as awaiting future updates will Improve its quality of life use. Great video!
My biggest complaint is that it doesn’t feel that natural to draw?
Idk how to explain it but most digital art software just feels off and kinda robotic to draw with, I love procreate so much cause it’s the only art program I’ve tried that feels so natural to draw with to me
But that robotic clunkyness is felt HARD in dreams
procreate dreams: all the features you don’t need, none of the features you do.
So odd that whilst OG Procreate was championed for how intuitive it’s interface was, Dreams requires you to read its handbook to make sense it’s bizarre workflow.
7:18 this is totally unrelated but i got jumpscared when i heard polka pop as background music, and i got jumpscared bc this days i listen to that almost every day-
I love that song 😅
I did my most recent animation in dreams and it was kind of a nightmare. I sincerely hope that 1.1 update comes out soon and fixes many of these issues.
Couldn’t they just port the art part and then just.. add the animation system onto it?
The iPad will be what I use to start practicing animation this year, but after reading feedback on several apps, I decided to go with Toon Squid for the meantime.
I will likely end up buying Dreams down the road, simply because I have confidence in the team behind it and the original Procreate. They added update after update to make that thing a formidable software, even letting you paint on 3D models and have very basic 2D animations.
Still no lasso tool
I don't understand why the people they commissioned to make promotional animations for them never gave them any feedback or said anything about all these missing features.
And you know this to be true how?
NO LASSO TOOL??
I heard Toon Squid is not only cheaper, it has better animation tools in there as well compared to Procreate Dreams. Just wanted to put this comment if anyone wants a different animation app.
I'm so looking forward to updates in the future, I'm probably too faithful but I really believe they're working on issues and critiques people have and it'll just get better and better
may be in a year or two or three the program will be usable but I really don't wanna wait that long
@@marcgoodrich I can understand that, my thought process is "well the time's gonna pass anyway" so I can stick to dreams waiting for the updates or use a different program until it's got the features I'm missing
you are so charismatic! i loved how you explained and showed off the app
The app crashed on me twice when I first started using it and I’ve been too scared to use it since then but I do see it’s potential and I bet it’ll be amazing once all the bugs are fixed and missing features gets added ^^
I've been addicted to this channel for a while now
Omg yes, I got it the day it released and was so confused on how to use it. I waited a couple weeks for RUclips videos and that helped, but the zoom having an effect on pencil size and quality is ridiculous. I’ve found it hard to use, so I really hope they improve it in future because I was so so excited for it when I heard about it before release (you’re video came out great you’re very talented)
It was such a disappointment that you can see the bones for a great animation app but it’s not possible for it to be consistent with anything. I blame the insistence on using gestures for everything instead of normal static buttons.
Things I’ve noticed while using it.
No lasso
No QuickShape
No vector brushes
Cannot merge layers.
Cannot warp/distort if there’s multiple layers.
Most of these things are in original procreate which makes no sense. But, toggling back and forth between 2 apps is counterintuitive and wastes a lot of time for me.
For now, I use ToonSquid and Adobe Fresco. I recommend these to anyone wanting to animate on an iPad.
we still dont have the lasso tool yet tho
For everybody who are complaining of the Lasso tool, just put the layers you want to copy+paste or whatever people do with lasso tools.
honestly as much as i want to get into fully animating without the hassle, i’d rather just stick with Procreate’s basic animation feature. It’s clean, simple, has all the features of procreate, with the only downside being clunkiness and editing having to be done off app. it’s alright though.
I personally use macromedia flash 8 but I am very glad that procreate dreams is out because I do not want Adobe to have a stranglehold on the market. So I hope it gets good.
thank you for making this!! i was considering getting the app for my birthday (march 18) and you just saved me $20 hajajsa ❤❤ new sub just because of that
Happy birthday!!
@@AnimationonaBudget waahggjj you remembered?? 🥹🥹 thank you so much !!!! i didn't realize you'd actually take note of it 😭😭❤️
@@kirbyenthusiastnumber2 of course, I hope you have a wonderful birthday! It’s worth celebrating! 🥳 🎂🎂🎊🎉🎁🎈🎈
@@AnimationonaBudget THANK YOU!!! 💖💖💖 now i have to know YOUR birthday >:)
@@kirbyenthusiastnumber2 haha it’s august 9th 😄
For me I couldn’t really figure out how to color in without it spreading to all frames, it’s probably just a me thing but using the app is really frustrating
i feel like theres afew things you forgot to mention, so ima list em off here.
also these are problems i had when using them, so i dont know if anyone has problems with them, so yeah-
anyways-
first it that zooming in and out of your drawing, also undos, because, they both use two fingers to move, and undo.
no brush cursor (i got very used to it, when using just procreate, and i would like to beable to enable it on procreate dreams.
also that a lot of the buttons are in different spots, like the way to get out of your animation, isn't at the top corner, but instead beside the name of the animation. and also there being no lasso tool, because i keep on tapping where it is on procreate, just for nothing to happen, making me annoyed, that i cant use the lasso tool.
and the fact that if you want to turn your drawing layer around (or well, track.), you have to like- go to move and scale, and you have to tap on one of the corners, just to turn the thing around. like- i had to look up a damn tutorial up, just to know how to turn something. like yeah- its pretty annoying, not actually just being able to automatically see the way to turn something, but instead having to tap something, just to see it.
one more thing, is that, when you add a video to an animation, you dont have the option to just- add the sound, and not the video.
other than all that, i still think it's decent, and the way to easily animate some stuff, is like cutecut and capcut, and the fact that you only have to buy it once just to use it is nice, so thats nice.
oh yeah, and two more things-
i cant seem to import colours or colour palettes from procreate, to procreate dream.
and you cant save brush sizes on procreate dreams, like you can on just procreate (i say this, because i tend to always use these four brush sizes [well really just one of them, and its brush size two.] and not being able to have the brush sizes saved on procreate dreams, is annoying, especially when you want to use a different brush size, but you also want to keep the brush size you prefer using.)
I thought the pixelation problem was with the brush omg... and I hope they fix it (procreate too) so that when you readjust something it doesn't get pixelated
I was definitely really disappointed by the lack of the lasso tool :( And I hope they add it soon.
I havent heard.. Much? in way of updates? But I also haven't been keeping up with news to be fair.
I wish they released the app completely finished!! I was so sad by how poor it felt to use.
I will say though, I think my first animation made on it was.. A little better without the lasso tool? Because I wasn't relying on it. It felt bouncier. It WAS a nice exercise.
I hope they improve it soon!
I just wish it had every tool procreate does, the lack of a lasso sucks SO hard. It’s not super intuitive to use either, everything being a random gesture that is not shown to you kinda sucks. I have huge lag issues with the color fill and it bothers me so bad. I really hope they improve the app since I can’t afford to get anything else currently.
thank you for teaching me about an art program i never use, subscribing
I was planning on actually getting procreate dreams so this video was very helpful! I’m sure that they’ll be updating and fixing a lot of things in the future. But we need that lasso tool immediately, it’s my savior for all my animations and drawing. 😭
Also, I loved how Gregory showed up lol.
The amount of times I’ve tried to use the select tool only to remember its absence is too many times 😔. Also thank you, Gregory wanted to be in the video
I used procreate dreams for one day, and what i learned is dont get procreate dreams, at least until updates fix issues. but it needs a complete UI overhaul, rn im still sticking with toonsquid
Valid critique. It took me an hour to figure things out. It’s definitely worth it, and you can produce wonderful results.
I mean we did just get it, so it’s only gonna get better. Procreate vanilla wasn’t perfect upon release either. I do agree with all your points tho, not having selection tools (besides grouping the frames in the timeline) is very annoying.
How... How, HOW!!! How can you release animation software WITHOUT a lasso tool? That's like peanut butter and jelly with no bread, that's like a bike with no handlebars, that's like coke without the pennies taste!! It boggles the mind to think in the year of our lord JESUS 2024 that a company like Procreate with teams of skilled individuals working hard to push out a GRADE A product would forget such a thing!! It was like they were so busy playing knock-a-door run on the local senior citizens who are very much senile and are highly confused by having hoodlum design staff barrage their doors with a flurry of punches that adding this specific very important feature flew right over their heads and directly into Old Lady Regeis's back yard! Fortunately for them, they have the smartest girl in ALL of animation to descend from the heavens and strike them with a FURY never seen before by man! They tremble in your greatness, Animation on a Budget!!!
P.S. plz put me a reoccring cameo character 🥺🥺🍛🧂🍢
um.. wdym you eat pennies with coke?
You described everything perfectly!
I’ve been in the dark on this app since people were hyping it up and then lots of those same people went silent on it. I guess it makes sense now, what a laughably bad app launch. At least they are fixings it
I NEVER NEW REFERENCE AND ALPHA LOCK WORKED LIKE THAT AND IVE BEEN USEING PROCREATE FOR YEARS OMG
my old person trait is thinking an app should be… yknow… FINISHED before releasing for $20
20????? Oh nah
I was surprised they released it before they had the lasso tool too
Ikr? It’s such a needed feature!
@@AnimationonaBudgetanswer David question please
@@AnimationonaBudgetanswer my question please
I personally prefer using a less expensive app over investing in a pricey one that may not give me the desired results. It's worth noting that even some of the 'better' apps had some issues in the beginning. As for drawing, I use Procreate, but for animation, I stick to Procreate Dreams (I import my drawings to Procreate Dreams). Please don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to criticize anyone who uses different tools. This is just my personal preference and opinion.
I was looking forward to this, thinking that I could storyboard while traveling, but well it’s definitely disappointing. I’m not fan of the “launch now, fix later” trend.
I was really pissed at first when I got the app, and now I just animate frame by frame on procreate then import to dreams for editing and complex stuff.
A really good video!! You brought up a few things that I didn't even realize myself
Two more big issues that I have - one that would be really helpful, and one that would be REALLY helpful:
- The lack of a draw-and-hold function. The kind of function base Procreate has where you can, say, draw a line, hold it in place, and it'll straighten. This doesnt exist in Dreams, which makes animating static or rigid objects really tedious
- Similar to the lasso (because I think it'll act here as well) is the ability to mass select multiple frames in the editor. Currently, if you want to move frames around in the editor, you have to drag them one at a time, which also includes moving frames out of the way as I don't think there's a way for frames to be pushed around in a cohesive way. This also applies to if you want to change the duration of, add keyfranes to, or make any changes to multiple franes at a time. It can be really, *really* difficult to manage aspects of the animation because of this
You have to remember that procreate dreams is being built from the the ground up there will have to be a way to put the lasso tool so that it works on the play head screen even though it has been in production for so long
Very good analysis! I have some faith that a lot of the issues will be fixed with time (also I once tweeted about being able to export things with transparent backgrounds and the CEO of Procreate responded saying they want to implement that?? So woo for us emote artists I guess), but yeah currently I only use dreams if it's necessary for the type of animation I'm doing due to all these problems you mentioned
as someone who has BAREY used opentoonz and pivot animator
this still sounds better than what i am currently using
i guess ime will tell if its better or not :)
Just the fact it has audio import and a one time payment makes it already so great. Honestly I could do my animation in procreate and import it into dream for audio and editing and that would be enough
toonsquid is also one time payment (HALF the price i might add) and has the tools dreams lacks
It does sound cool, but I’m a die hard FlipaClip animator sooo..💀
Everytime I see Procreate Dreams update and it isn’t a lasso tool I die inside a little
Just a couple things I noticed while using it:
If you wanna change the frame rate of your animation, it completely messes up the timing of everything. Fortunately I found this out while just messing around with settings, but I can’t imagine trying to go from 12 fps to 24 fps after animating and having to adjust the timing on every frame you’d already finished. Also I haven’t really used any other animation programs so idk if this is standard lol.
The second thing is that if you make a screen recording and then put that into your timeline it messes up the audio. A few seconds into the audio, it will skip forwards a couple seconds. I don’t know how to fix it, and I’ve only noticed this with screen recordings.
THE SECOND THING I THOUGHT I WAS INSANE. I THOUGHT IT WAS IN MY HEAD. THANK YOU. why does it do that.
also yeah i tried changing the fps of one of my animations and very quickly gave up after it's just not worth it. guess you have to figure out what fps you want real early! lol
BRO I'M SO GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THIS HAPPENS TO LOL
I've been looking online to see if there's a fix for the audio thing and I couldn't find anyone else with this problem. The way I work around it is I start recording several seconds before playing the audio I want to record, then when I put the audio into dreams the skip should be in the silent part before the audio. Then I just move it so the silent part is outside my timeline. Idk if that made sense lol, I struggle explaining things without being able to show them visually
@@Cookie-bg3lwyeah that makes sense! it's too late for the stuff i've already made rip but that seems like a good idea going forward unless/until they fix that super weird issue LOL. procreate dreams is an app
Can you make more Procreate Dreams videos please? I really enjoyed this one, this was equally insightful as it was entertaining. I subscribed, great video! 👍
The dev team has supported base procreate with heeeaps of free updates so I have faith dreams will improve. The way it is now I still prefer to animate in base procreate though.
I already knew to not get Procreate Dreams when it came out, because I knew they were probably putting it out to test the waters and see how it goes. They’re most likely already planning out a newer version with more stuff.
Procreate itself needs to improve its lasso tool to stop blurring when things are resized and moved….
if you select a layer mode on a clipping mask and change the opacity sometimes it will turn back into the ”normal” layer mode everytime you change the opacity ✨
Kinda feels like the app is too demanding of the iPad. Like with the undo thing, maybe it combines strokes into “one stroke” to optimize the performance? Incredible how many things are missing or not functioning correct! It definitely feels like it’s in beta now. Hope they make it as amazing as they want it to be.
I got rough animator due to Dreams being a tad too expensive for me. If they update it, I’ll go buy dreams :D
There’s no way to edit pen properties, which is the main thing that upsets me. Also, when you go full canvas and then go back to your timeline, your timeline is all stretched out and tehre’s no way of fixing it unless you exit the video itself and then go back on
One time I sent them a report about some missing feature. And they write it will never be because of the 1 million pixel. WHO THE HECK ON EARTH NEEDS THAT BIG CANVAS??? Why they don't ask what PEOPLE need? I guess THIS the what cause these issues. (Sorry for writing loud)
I clicked on this for the thumbnail alone. I'm and old, old, crochet woman because I still use CS3. It's one of the last ones before they became subscription assholes, a relic from the bygone days when we actually own the shit we paid for.
*lays facedown on the floor*
Who the fuck doesn't give you a lasso tool?
I think part of the issues are user errors. I add images on a separate track and it works great. It’s not perfect yet. Definitely would like to see the lasso tool and some other features in Procreate but, for $20, no subscriptions, free updates, I’m loving Procreate Dreams.
you are very comfortable :33,
thank you!!
Thank you
Honestly Ill place my money on the fact that when they update it completely in a way itll become probably even more expensive
Yes. The undo bug has given me some big scares. 😅
So far I’ve animated only using the performance mode and through keyframing, so I can do all the drawing on procreate and then I import it to Dreams. But I wish to learn how to do it frame by frame. So, I hope they add the lasso tool soon. 😊
i heard a good alternative is Toom Squid but i haven’t tried it myself 😗
Hi, I’ve used ToonSquid a bit! I’m not the most experienced animator nor have I used procreate dreams so I can’t say how well of an alternative it is, but I’ve definitely been having fun with it! The features it has seem pretty promising for doing larger projects and I’m excited to mess with them further. My main complaint is that I’ve found it to be a little laggy at times, but I don’t think it’s unbearable.
I don’t think I’ve used it enough to make a proper recommendation, but it’s really affordable and I do think it’s worth looking into for anyone interested!!
Hmm I’ll have to try it sometime
Toon Squid is great! I started using it shortly before Dreams came out and I've been able to make some fun animations. It has so many more features compared to Dreams, including a rigging system, lasso tool, easing presets, and a better UI.
yeah toonsquid is awesome :D my only gripe so far is that bigger porjects have to be split in scenes, anything longer than probably a minute and 20 is too much for a single TS file xD some other small gripes too but im sure in the next update, it'll be fine :3 us toonsquiders are currently waiting for the next update (might be a big one too since its been 5 months)