hybe x geffen really did this right. and i truly hope they continue to build on this momentum! katseye's potential to become the greatest global girl group of their generation is massive.
@@smn_tr3asur3 i'd say el7zup has a solid advantage experience-wise in the idol industry, whereas katseye has yet to solidify theirs. nevertheless, I’d agree, but i could say the same about trejo, enha, and zb1 having the best lineups as well.
@@moonsigilthey even said it, it wasn’t just about what they wanted. It was about what the fans wanted Their mass appeal would not be what it is without Manon
@@moonsigil nobody could blame them. It was alright to say at the time. Nobody would want someone who doesn't seem to want to be there and put in the work themselves. She improved now, we love her now. But at the time she wasn't the best choice and that's okay.
@@imvvn that's because fans voted without any context of their previous skills and commitment. If DA had shown what we watched in the documentary, I think the votes would have been very different
@@whoopthy its a messy documentary tbf. so fans are worried about kateye management. if they continue doing great with no issues then the critism will go away.
@rello2fine Not that it doesn’t matter, but as Bang PD himself said, it’s almost impossible to create a group where every member is a main vocalist or main dancer. While it’s true that Manon isn’t the strongest singer, she has solid basics-especially her pitch, which is one of the most crucial fundamentals-and it’s even better than that of some who have been in the industry [Kpop] longer. This suggests that we need to hear more from her because she undoubtedly has a lot more to offer if given the right opportunities. Ultimately, the success of a group depends on the synergy between its members. Each member plays a unique role, and Manon's star quality is an undeniable asset, so much so that even the harshest critics on the show couldn’t ignore it. In the end, they’re in an industry where star quality equals marketability, which equals financial success, and that’s what pays the bills. So, let’s support Katseye because every member has an important role in the group, and I truly believe they’re going to make it big.
PERFECT lineup literally everyone fits a role so well vocally, visually, and then their personalities behind the scenes just enhance the love. I already can’t wait for a comeback they better not disappear after this like a certain similar concept jyp group 🙃
@@lisagarcia115 I doubt they will disappear since they did so well for like the past 4 months. If there’s anything management is worried how to top Touch for the next comeback prolly already looking for the next break out track
thank you so much for this video, this is so healing lmao. i LOVE how you tied it back to their dream charms, gosh i love these girls bad. they are all so perfect together and im so glad im alive to witness them, little me is so so happy right now. and THANK YOU so much about the manon section - people apparently watched that whole doc and still only took from it that star quality is apparently just being pretty and that manon was lazy instead of she just had a different work ethic and was insecure. i LOVE when you said "this external validation was a driving force pushing her to reassess her approach and commit fully to her development" you said that so perfectly. thank you thank youu. katseye 4 evaaaaaa
wow, thank you so much for such a beautiful comment! it means a lot to hear that the video resonated with you in such a healing way. i completely agree-these girls are truly something special, and it’s amazing to witness their journey. i'm so glad Manon’s part stood out to you because i really wanted to highlight her true journey-her growth, her struggles, and how she found the strength to push forward. katseye really is forever!
I think giving them a some sort of a world tour this early after debuting you can tell the companies are serious in promoting them and trying to catch as many new fans in each country they visited.
@@JimuelEnero-o5f definitely but I meant more in managing their schedules in a way that allows them to rest, recuperate and spend time with their families because hybe is notorious for their artists injuries due to hectic work schedules without proper rest. Also hybe doesn’t do enough to deal with harassment, bullying and stalking their artists face. Other than that, Katseye will definitely be well promoted
I like the concept of this group, to form a girl group with different backgrounds, culture and personalities is just mind blowing. As a Filipino Sophia is a pride to all of us making her not just her dream but to make a mark as Pinoy in a global stage. It’s nice to see young Filipinos reaching and making their dream to reality. To all young generation whose trying to pursue their music career regardless which country or nationality they came from hang in there. Training maybe hard and the world maybe harsh sometimes but you’ll get there someday.
sorry darling, i'm not a professional, but i’ve had collaborations and lessons with experts in the field. along with my research, i’m just applying what i’ve learned from them and my own studies. i’m simply passionate about this...
Megan is the stand out for me. I've been watching all their performances and my eyes always gravitates to her first. Everyone is 100% but Megan and Lara to me when they dance and perform are always at 150%. Their body lines and movements are gorgeous!
Lara grab my attention the most. First, her voice. What an angel ! Fell in love with her since first heard Katseye's song. Second, her dance. Dani moves best, Megan is power and charisma, but Lara is so naturally smooth and fluid, my eyes can't help but follow her around. Her hairography is the best. Third, just her overall presentation, the way she speaks and carry herself. Often the spoke person with Sophia, i can't believe she's just 18. So eloquent and professional. She almost always relaxed on stage. Then again they all are capable of doing that. I stan a pure talent group ❤
Katseye was such a good final lineup for me only one of my picks from DA didn’t make it but she has found somewhere else to shine and Yoonchae is so underrated imo like her stage presence especially her facial expressions are so good
Also you should do a vocal analysis of the group that came from the survival show girls on fire! Nayoung from dreams academy was on it and it’s a 5 member vocal group who is INSANE like they are going to crush the vocal competition when they debut(Whenever that will be)
@@Benjicord9 Yes, I’m aware of Nayoung in Girls on Fire, but I believe they’re in a different bracket since their main focus is singing, compared to idols who do everything. There are also other vocal groups and bands that could make for interesting content in the future. Thank you for the suggestion-it’s definitely noted for future consideration!
@@inzaissoumaila4975 the performances are so good and I’ve already a decent snd already knew the lineup but like a week ago I started watching the actual show and oml their is so many performances I missed out on that are so good
@@eline.m2186I think many of them are aces that is why they are perfect everyone can do both and is really good in either of the two skill and all are visuals as well
I love how every member carries their role (Sophia - leader, lead vocalist, all-rounder , Lara - Main vocalist, Daniela & Megan - lead/main dancers, lead vocalists, Yoonchae - maknae, Korean translator, vocalist, dancer and Manon - visual, face of the group, dancer & sub vocalist)
Lara grab my attention the most. First, her voice. What an angel ! Fell in love with her since first heard Katseye's song. Second, her dance. Dani moves best, Megan is power and charisma, but Lara is so naturally smooth and fluid, my eyes can't help but follow her around. Her hairography is the best. Third, she's a musical person through and through, has the ability to produce music is just chef's kiss Fourth, just her overall presentation, the way she speaks and carry herself. Often the spoke person with Sophia, i can't believe she's just 18. So eloquent and professional. She almost always relaxed on stage. Then again they all are capable of doing that. I stan a pure talent group ❤
this is video is so good! I am so proud of Manon, we know she struggled with her work ethic to the point it worried the rest of the girls and their mentors, but her improvement through Dream Academy and specially in her journey to the debut is absolutely remarkable and notorious. She is not lazy, she only needed to find her path and lock in, and lock in indeed she did! She doesn't drag the group down in their performances, she blends just fine, dances as hard and passionately as the rest, and she may not be the best dancer or vocalist on the group but she still manages to catch people's attention and is continuously bringing more and more fans every day with every video and pic of her. Her personality is charismatic and silly too, so it's not hard to fall in love with her beyond her looks. She's a sweetheart that has shown that she's a hard worker and passionate on what she's doing, so I'm really glad she made it to the final lineup, she's proving every day that that decision was not a mistake ❤
i loved that they went through artist development it shows in the final group they all seem so stable in what they do and show so much promise for the future of Katseye :)))
I think Republic Records, who I believe manages them more than JYP, lost faith after VCHA didn't sell that well or generate as much buzz as they had hoped for. If they had continued promoting them, with their scheduled festival performances with Lalapalooza and such, it likely would've paid off eventually. But American labels these days value results first more than building an audience while signed. If they were only a JYP group, then they probably would've still been promoting.
I think saying that jyp got it wrong is still too early to tell, vcha’a inactive right now but they started their career earlier than katseye, which was a huge advantage on jyp.
Jyp literally messed up they should have trained them more harder to get highly skilled they are lacking in training and talent plus it's not kpop jyp bent more towards to kpop in English version with them like seriously? For western market it's looks so kid bop nor in western or Korean got interest in them and they continuesly keep bringing same typaa songs, plus most underage member under vcha it's so sad to see and after one comeback she went to hitauous? Really and jyp made whole vcha under hitauous and now nothing. It's very hard to break into western market the idea of jyp literally not going to work they need to change it ASAP
so happy with the Katseye line up, I have grown to really really like the girls.. I want them to be super successful. I want their music to grow into something more pop with r&b... they would do so well omg
Talent, visuals, sense of humor, personality, stage presence, discipline,- in EACH of them! this group literally has everything to become the leading global group. They are just getting started and are gonna MAKE it mark my words!
Just watch the Pop Academy ...I see why the girls are chosen. They stood out the most and fierce. Megan is like a silent assassin. She has this strong presence on camera. Those who didn't make it to be part of the group are extremely talented. But the chemistry of Sophia, Lara, Megan, Yoonchae, Manon and Danielle I guess is what stood out the most.
many global girl groups will follow after Katseye... first timers always face the shocking reactions.. combining 2 ingredients to hit big in the pop music industry is risky but the experiment is successful... this is the future of pop group music..
At 66, I'm not particularly a fan of girl groups, especially this generation's, as they all seem to be cookie-cutter, teenybopper, cutesy-girls, with the same old-same old bubble gum songs. I'll take a chance and listen to a new gg mv or two, but they don't usually speak to my vibe. Katseye's 1st mv was different. They brought it, and struck me as very strong young women. I was impressed, and I continue to be impressed. Good job, everyone! 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
Among other members Daniela is the most underrated. Hope hybe/geffen could produce music where there's a dance break on it so it could highlight dani as a main dancer and for the main and lead vocalists hope they would produce a song where there is a pre-chorus and bridge, 2mins duration of their songs is not enough thou
Their TikTok following grew SO much in the last month!! 😳👏🏻 went from 2 digit thousands of likes to hundreds of thousands of likes some even breaking a mil likes
Watching the documentary you’ll know why Kpop has become popular throughout the past years-it’s the level of marketing their idols through live music performances, aesthetic mvs, reality shows, fan engagements like fancalls,fanmeets etc. Unlike western groups who are limited only in releasing songs and an mv, they could only have live performance like awards show, festival or like being on tour. There is lack of fan engagements that’s why it’s mostly general public and because of this it is hard to turn casual listeners to fans. I do hope the management of katseye continue this kpop marketing style of them on putting a lot of contents going on music shows and visiting other countries because the moment they stop doing this they would just become a normal western group. Fans love watching their idols and all the contents they continuously do. Lack of contents are the reason why fans jump from another group to another. It may seem that kpop has seen a decline since a lot of groups debuting left and right but with popular entertainment companies debuting their new groups it is a matter of time when a potential new one would rise that would level up and be popular like BTS and Blackpink. And seeing how kpop groups are now multilingual it would be easy now to communicate w/ international fans. That’s why I do hope whatever they are doing to katseye marketing they continue it because these girls really do have the talent and IT factor to become BIG. They are all like CENTERS in their own way. With the rise of popularity of Katseye we can say that other kpop companies would follow these steps since they knew it click to the people.
Manon may not have been the most technically talented in DA but her debut was essential for the success of KATSEYE. So many people have no idea what DA is/are just now learning about the doc knew about Manon from when her DA headshot went viral. It’s not even pretty privilege, her personality aura and vibe just is 100% the IT factor, You can build technical skills in most people, it’s much harder to find pure star quality.
i so love and agree with ur perspective, thank u and I adore the girls I hope hybe will truly invest in training and developing them to navigate their own career and music 🙏🏼
I saw Megan as a lead from the beginning, not necessarily because she’s the best. It was her height, long limbs, and long hair that made any other position than upfront seem asymmetrical. The Netflix doc was good, but the show’s producers made some poor decisions toward the end. They blindsided the girls, after a year of being together, that they were really in a survival show, and by adding new members late in the process. Several different combinations, or substitutions, would have worked just as well. If you were, like me, only watching the show, it was a big surprise when I saw how different the fans felt about the girls; for example, Manon went from 20th to 4th. It was clear that the original crew was were a little frustrated as well, and rightly so. I love what Lexi did, and I thought the producer sounded stupid by implying “they” had to let her go; no, she didn’t show up on purpose because of the way they handled the elimination process. I thought the show was great and all of the girls’ were extremely talented and worked so hard. It’s crazy, I watched the show in a day, but these girls’ were living and training for more than a year.
Yeahhh, Sophia's voice really reminds me of Disney princesses, both her speaking and singing voice. She could be a voice actor for a future Disney princess. Also, in terms of her physical appearance, this might be an unpopular opinion, but she kind of reminds me of Mulan. I don't knowwww, but she really does. Her face and most especially her hair, the color and the shape of it is somewhat similar to Mulan's. She could pass as Mulan for a live-action movie of Mulan. I thought I was the only one who thought of this until I saw one comment in a Facebook reel that they also see Mulan in Sophia. I'm glad I wasn't the only one. Love you, Sophiakinssss!
They only need one really good song to take flight. So far, their songs are not very strong. Hope they find someone who can give them a Top 10 chart song.
I don't know if anyone has pointed it out. but I think they should upload their music videos to their own music channels and not on Hybe because people keep associating them with kpop. if they want to be more popular to an international/western audience they need to get rid of the korean branding just a bit. like why is there a korean translation on the title of their music videos? isn't it supposed to be global???
the whole point of them is kpop branding lol and their mvs being uploaded to hybe means more visibility because that channel has 70mil subs. The kpop branding is whats going to even push them into the minds of international/western audiences anyways
Get rid of Korean branding lol what you are even saying 😂 hybe and geffan invested in this group like literally they wanted the biggest global group and successful after bts under hybe definitely had high expectations towards them the whole point of group is to include training dance and kpop methodology in western pop group why the hell they'll get rid of their own company
They’re global pop group they'll build fans all over the world has strong base for the and they'll definitely promote them in us market and doing pretty well
This is such a good analysis on katseye and I agree with you on everything, imo if they had official positions. Sophia - Leader, Lead vocalist, Lead dancer Manon - Sub vocalist, Visual Daniela - Main dancer, Main rapper, Vocalist Lara - Sub-Leader, Main vocalist, Sub rapper Megan - Lead vocalist, Lead dancer, Lead rapper Yoonchae - Sub vocalist, Lead dancer, Maknae
I agree with your position as well. Daniela’s vocals are actually at lead vocal level within Katseye, but I’m afraid that might be somewhat sacrificed since she may be assigned more to the performance side. Thank you!
@@gleeclub8810 Comparatively, Yoonchae and Sophia's dance skills are at lead dancer level within Katseye and in most K-pop groups. Megan's dance skills are definitely too good to be limited to a lead dancer role, so she can also be a main dancer alongside Dani. Dani and Megan would also be well-suited for rap positions someday.
@@EKCristobal No worries! Thank you for clarifying with Yoonchae and Sophia with being lead dancers. I knew that Yoonchae was definitely a contender for the role, but was not sure if either Lara or Sophia would also be considered lead dancers. I love watching dance and vocal analyses and am always waiting for new videos about Katseye to come out!
Since it was a survival show for a Global Girl Group Hybe/Geffen, there was more of an honest take on the selection unlike Korean Only Girl Groups like R U Next..... when you have the committee be Korean focused you will have Rigging taking place. But Geffen wanted it to be a Global Girl group, if HYBE tried to shoehorn only Korean Beauty Standards they were in for a real backlash from the Global audience.
I remember when they started and people were laughing and the low streams compared to other survival and I remember saying....this is about to be HYBE greatest....everything good in hybe starts small😂 no true😂 I love these girls!
@@user-xq0hloy4y Regardless of whether an idol wants to rap, if their label assigns them to do so, they will. My video was intended to highlight how Dani’s natural vocal skills, both in tone and technique, could make her a good fit for rap roles if their label decides to pursue that in the future. I never suggested that she wanted to rap; I simply wanted to point out her potential.
Thank you for your comment! While the research and analysis are entirely my own, I did use AI to help polish my script since English is my third language. I aimed to communicate my ideas clearly, and appreciate your understanding. Do you think that had any negative effect on the analysis or content itself? I appreciate your feedback!
@@JimuelEnero-o5f You must be joking. Woke Up is like their most successful single to date and you saying people lost interest in them? Maybe you mean those kpop fans who likes to hear their usual generic idol music.
Personal opinions don't matter. With a few exceptions, why most K-pop groups doesn't last for long? Young talents in Korea like Mamoland, Fifty-Fifty etc., fell in the hands of irresponsible and corrupt people acting as Managers who exploit them. Koreans needs to explain this serious allegation.
@@lushdontu4015 What's the problem? For me, what matters is that they are all very talented and complement each other in terms of talents, in addition to having a lot of diversity.
@@EKCristobalI hope so, because they are the phenomenal ppop girl in the Philippines 😊 I just wanna recommend on your channel they are the first ppop group to perform KCON LA have Collab with enhypen and katseye 😊 I hope that i can see them on your channel "maraming salamat po"
@@emrichards4611 oh no I love Daniela I just like Megan and lara's dancing more , they are more expressive in my opinion and I can't take my eyes off them when they're performing
@@kpoppergirl6235 so you mean stage presence… it makes zero sense to put a person who is professional trained since she was 2 yo under someone with almost no prior dance experience.
i will be making an iz*one video soon similar to this content. i would have to rewatch produce 48 tho so i can create a comparison of their skills now. it might take long, but im excited…
I seriously dont like MANON…. But my gosh! is she ever pretty and definitely have that star quality… and i think for that alone she have the right to be in the final line up skills can be learned
@@lillcutie6189 people change… lets see if she can change that… i honestly start to like her, the way she approach the girls on cam i find is very genuine and friendly, but i hope shes the same behind camera, she still have a lot to prove character wise…
people can change yet here u r hating her. You literally then go on to say she seems genuine around the girls and friendly but then write a horrible hate comment... weird
@@giuseppepuccio8807 US pop sucks? we currently have girls like Tate McRae, Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo, Chappell Roan and Billie Eilish running the pop scene rn. Its ok to say u just listen to kpop❤️
@@trangichigo2001 Lol why not? Because ones white and the other is black/mixed? If they got a chance to actually live together and build a bond im sure theyd be just as close as the girls are now.
@@secondgensupremacy Well theres obviously a reason why she felt that way lmao and i doubt she still thinks Manon is lazy or doesnt deserve it so why does it still matter
i'm very satisfied with the line up of KATSEYE but still the line up would be even stronger if only they added SAMARA to the group. 😭 Too bad SAMARA lost her final spot because of her scandel made up by haters. 😞
@@eline.m2186 i get ur point. she definitely shouldnt have liked them. but if u make research properly, it's not about downgrading others. it's just a funny video about indians street food. and the other video about isreal and gaza conflict is just the educational purpose. but the haters are over exggerating things and just bcuz the liked those vids on tiktok doesnt necessarily make her islamphobic and pro-isreal. plz make it sense. 😭
@@Felix_12-kstYou start off by saying that she definitely shouldn't have liked them, which explains why people were mad at her in the first place since she was giving likes to videos she wasn't supposed to. And this is also something you just admitted to since you admit that she definitely shouldn't have liked them. So why are you taking out your frustrations on the people that took it out on her with a good reason?
@@Moa-pe5ig i said she shouldn't have liked these videos was bcuz it was one of the actions that justified the reasons of haters to target on her easily and took her spot out of the line up. and wdym they took her out with good reasons? and I already mentioned that if SAMARA didn't have the scandal , she would probably be in the group. and I never showed that I'm outraged by the haters. the only thing I actually meant was I feel really sad for samara for loosing her spot bcuz the haters sabotaged her. i hope u get my point. < 3
this is the best lineup to come out of a survival show, I love it.
hybe x geffen really did this right. and i truly hope they continue to build on this momentum! katseye's potential to become the greatest global girl group of their generation is massive.
Not when el7zup exists,but they're great yeah.
@@smn_tr3asur3 i'd say el7zup has a solid advantage experience-wise in the idol industry, whereas katseye has yet to solidify theirs. nevertheless, I’d agree, but i could say the same about trejo, enha, and zb1 having the best lineups as well.
@@EKCristobalhow about Ppop girl group BINI they are popular in the Philippines hope you content them in your channel
Enhypen is also one of the best lineups from any survival show
This was the perfect lineup for max chemistry and mass appeal. I don’t think a single member could be replaced by any trainee in the documentary.
HxG thought otherwise... they didn't want Manon.
@@moonsigilthey even said it, it wasn’t just about what they wanted. It was about what the fans wanted
Their mass appeal would not be what it is without Manon
@@imvvn Right but Manon wasn't in their top 6.
@@moonsigil nobody could blame them. It was alright to say at the time. Nobody would want someone who doesn't seem to want to be there and put in the work themselves. She improved now, we love her now. But at the time she wasn't the best choice and that's okay.
@@imvvn that's because fans voted without any context of their previous skills and commitment. If DA had shown what we watched in the documentary, I think the votes would have been very different
Good to see positive feedback about this group instead of the negativity that comes out especially since the release of the documentary
international fans are the happiest, I feel like asians wanted at least one more Korean or Japanese In the lineup
@@mariasol1545 nah Koreans like the group and happy with the lineup...
@@MidnightxCrow True, if anything most of the criticism is coming from international fans
@@whoopthy its a messy documentary tbf. so fans are worried about kateye management. if they continue doing great with no issues then the critism will go away.
@@johnmarkson1990 I'm talking about the lineup, not the management lmao
Megan ranking Number 1 on the Judge's score during the Finale was WELL DESERVED 👏🏼❤
100% deserved!
Yes it was!!
She was my top pick throughout the whole show, I am so happy that the judges recognized greatness
The members of Katseye are so talented
individually yes, cause all members can sing and dance. collectively, they are not weak in any aspect.
Manon is not a strong singer but she is Uber beautiful so it don’t matter I guess lol
@rello2fine Not that it doesn’t matter, but as Bang PD himself said, it’s almost impossible to create a group where every member is a main vocalist or main dancer. While it’s true that Manon isn’t the strongest singer, she has solid basics-especially her pitch, which is one of the most crucial fundamentals-and it’s even better than that of some who have been in the industry [Kpop] longer. This suggests that we need to hear more from her because she undoubtedly has a lot more to offer if given the right opportunities. Ultimately, the success of a group depends on the synergy between its members. Each member plays a unique role, and Manon's star quality is an undeniable asset, so much so that even the harshest critics on the show couldn’t ignore it. In the end, they’re in an industry where star quality equals marketability, which equals financial success, and that’s what pays the bills. So, let’s support Katseye because every member has an important role in the group, and I truly believe they’re going to make it big.
@@rello2fineno one else in the group is an alto like she is just cause she sings lower doesnt mean she cant sing
@@lillcutie6189 I didn’t say she couldn’t I said she wasn’t a strong singer.
PERFECT lineup literally everyone fits a role so well vocally, visually, and then their personalities behind the scenes just enhance the love. I already can’t wait for a comeback they better not disappear after this like a certain similar concept jyp group 🙃
@@lisagarcia115 I doubt they will disappear since they did so well for like the past 4 months. If there’s anything management is worried how to top Touch for the next comeback prolly already looking for the next break out track
thank you so much for this video, this is so healing lmao. i LOVE how you tied it back to their dream charms, gosh i love these girls bad. they are all so perfect together and im so glad im alive to witness them, little me is so so happy right now. and THANK YOU so much about the manon section - people apparently watched that whole doc and still only took from it that star quality is apparently just being pretty and that manon was lazy instead of she just had a different work ethic and was insecure. i LOVE when you said "this external validation was a driving force pushing her to reassess her approach and commit fully to her development" you said that so perfectly. thank you thank youu. katseye 4 evaaaaaa
wow, thank you so much for such a beautiful comment! it means a lot to hear that the video resonated with you in such a healing way. i completely agree-these girls are truly something special, and it’s amazing to witness their journey. i'm so glad Manon’s part stood out to you because i really wanted to highlight her true journey-her growth, her struggles, and how she found the strength to push forward. katseye really is forever!
Katseye is really the future! I hope hybe geffen supports and protects the girls because they have such a great path ahead of them
I think giving them a some sort of a world tour this early after debuting you can tell the companies are serious in promoting them and trying to catch as many new fans in each country they visited.
@@JimuelEnero-o5f definitely but I meant more in managing their schedules in a way that allows them to rest, recuperate and spend time with their families because hybe is notorious for their artists injuries due to hectic work schedules without proper rest. Also hybe doesn’t do enough to deal with harassment, bullying and stalking their artists face. Other than that, Katseye will definitely be well promoted
I like the concept of this group, to form a girl group with different backgrounds, culture and personalities is just mind blowing. As a Filipino Sophia is a pride to all of us making her not just her dream but to make a mark as Pinoy in a global stage. It’s nice to see young Filipinos reaching and making their dream to reality. To all young generation whose trying to pursue their music career regardless which country or nationality they came from hang in there. Training maybe hard and the world maybe harsh sometimes but you’ll get there someday.
Laban!
Finally a professional confirmed that Daniela is the main dancer 😩✨
sorry darling, i'm not a professional, but i’ve had collaborations and lessons with experts in the field. along with my research, i’m just applying what i’ve learned from them and my own studies. i’m simply passionate about this...
@@EKCristobal it’s okay, it seems like you have the right amount of knowledge either way, to identify the best dancer :)
@@Bryag209 thank you, it means a lot to hear that. i’ll keep working to improve and do my best.
????? there are people arguing that she isn't?????
@@moonlight_orange Well some people say Megan is, but I personally think it’s Dani.
Daniela is underrated, she is truly amazing. Beauty, amazing natural dance skills and her vocals are pretty.
She's my favorite 😊
She's my bias ❤
Megan is the stand out for me. I've been watching all their performances and my eyes always gravitates to her first. Everyone is 100% but Megan and Lara to me when they dance and perform are always at 150%. Their body lines and movements are gorgeous!
glad am not the only one getting swayed by megan’s stand out performance on stage. that’s why i call her the best performer of Katseye.
Totally agree!!
No lie detected here! 💅🏼
Megan = best performer & best facials, Lara = all-rounder with great stage presence & eye-catching. The power duo. Dani is a great performer as well.
Lara grab my attention the most. First, her voice. What an angel ! Fell in love with her since first heard Katseye's song.
Second, her dance. Dani moves best, Megan is power and charisma, but Lara is so naturally smooth and fluid, my eyes can't help but follow her around. Her hairography is the best.
Third, just her overall presentation, the way she speaks and carry herself. Often the spoke person with Sophia, i can't believe she's just 18. So eloquent and professional. She almost always relaxed on stage.
Then again they all are capable of doing that.
I stan a pure talent group ❤
Katseye was such a good final lineup for me only one of my picks from DA didn’t make it but she has found somewhere else to shine and Yoonchae is so underrated imo like her stage presence especially her facial expressions are so good
Also you should do a vocal analysis of the group that came from the survival show girls on fire! Nayoung from dreams academy was on it and it’s a 5 member vocal group who is INSANE like they are going to crush the vocal competition when they debut(Whenever that will be)
@@Benjicord9 Yes, I’m aware of Nayoung in Girls on Fire, but I believe they’re in a different bracket since their main focus is singing, compared to idols who do everything. There are also other vocal groups and bands that could make for interesting content in the future. Thank you for the suggestion-it’s definitely noted for future consideration!
@@Benjicord9this show gagged me 😩! I'm still getting goosebumps about this god performance .
@@inzaissoumaila4975 the performances are so good and I’ve already a decent snd already knew the lineup but like a week ago I started watching the actual show and oml their is so many performances I missed out on that are so good
I think we may have had very similar picks if I'm right for who you're referring to
Lara is literally an ace of katseye ❤️🔥🔥🔥😍
Rightly said 💯🔥
@@eline.m2186I think many of them are aces that is why they are perfect everyone can do both and is really good in either of the two skill and all are visuals as well
I love how every member carries their role (Sophia - leader, lead vocalist, all-rounder , Lara - Main vocalist, Daniela & Megan - lead/main dancers, lead vocalists, Yoonchae - maknae, Korean translator, vocalist, dancer and Manon - visual, face of the group, dancer & sub vocalist)
Yeah you're right Daniela has a potential to be the rapper of the group omgggg can't wait to hear her rap
Lara grab my attention the most. First, her voice. What an angel ! Fell in love with her since first heard Katseye's song.
Second, her dance. Dani moves best, Megan is power and charisma, but Lara is so naturally smooth and fluid, my eyes can't help but follow her around. Her hairography is the best.
Third, she's a musical person through and through, has the ability to produce music is just chef's kiss
Fourth, just her overall presentation, the way she speaks and carry herself. Often the spoke person with Sophia, i can't believe she's just 18. So eloquent and professional. She almost always relaxed on stage.
Then again they all are capable of doing that.
I stan a pure talent group ❤
this is video is so good! I am so proud of Manon, we know she struggled with her work ethic to the point it worried the rest of the girls and their mentors, but her improvement through Dream Academy and specially in her journey to the debut is absolutely remarkable and notorious. She is not lazy, she only needed to find her path and lock in, and lock in indeed she did! She doesn't drag the group down in their performances, she blends just fine, dances as hard and passionately as the rest, and she may not be the best dancer or vocalist on the group but she still manages to catch people's attention and is continuously bringing more and more fans every day with every video and pic of her. Her personality is charismatic and silly too, so it's not hard to fall in love with her beyond her looks. She's a sweetheart that has shown that she's a hard worker and passionate on what she's doing, so I'm really glad she made it to the final lineup, she's proving every day that that decision was not a mistake ❤
thank you too
i loved that they went through artist development it shows in the final group they all seem so stable in what they do and show so much promise for the future of Katseye :)))
I can't help but wonder what happened with VCHA, what did HYBE get right that JYPE get wrong, would love to see a video about that.
i agree that hybe x geffen indeed did right with katseye… as for vcha, they’ll be an interesting case
It's not JYPE but Republic Records
I think Republic Records, who I believe manages them more than JYP, lost faith after VCHA didn't sell that well or generate as much buzz as they had hoped for. If they had continued promoting them, with their scheduled festival performances with Lalapalooza and such, it likely would've paid off eventually. But American labels these days value results first more than building an audience while signed. If they were only a JYP group, then they probably would've still been promoting.
I think saying that jyp got it wrong is still too early to tell, vcha’a inactive right now but they started their career earlier than katseye, which was a huge advantage on jyp.
Jyp literally messed up they should have trained them more harder to get highly skilled they are lacking in training and talent plus it's not kpop jyp bent more towards to kpop in English version with them like seriously? For western market it's looks so kid bop nor in western or Korean got interest in them and they continuesly keep bringing same typaa songs, plus most underage member under vcha it's so sad to see and after one comeback she went to hitauous? Really and jyp made whole vcha under hitauous and now nothing. It's very hard to break into western market the idea of jyp literally not going to work they need to change it ASAP
so happy with the Katseye line up, I have grown to really really like the girls.. I want them to be super successful. I want their music to grow into something more pop with r&b... they would do so well omg
Talent, visuals, sense of humor, personality, stage presence, discipline,- in EACH of them! this group literally has everything to become the leading global group. They are just getting started and are gonna MAKE it mark my words!
Just watch the Pop Academy ...I see why the girls are chosen. They stood out the most and fierce. Megan is like a silent assassin. She has this strong presence on camera. Those who didn't make it to be part of the group are extremely talented. But the chemistry of Sophia, Lara, Megan, Yoonchae, Manon and Danielle I guess is what stood out the most.
thank you for complimenting all members 💗
of course
A mix of nationalities! perfect!
Daniela is so well rounded
Manon puts the eyes in Katseyes 🥺
Their high are perfect. Their beauty doesn't outshine each other. Their vocals blend beautifully as a team.
many global girl groups will follow after Katseye... first timers always face the shocking reactions.. combining 2 ingredients to hit big in the pop music industry is risky but the experiment is successful... this is the future of pop group music..
At 66, I'm not particularly a fan of girl groups, especially this generation's, as they all seem to be cookie-cutter, teenybopper, cutesy-girls, with the same old-same old bubble gum songs. I'll take a chance and listen to a new gg mv or two, but they don't usually speak to my vibe. Katseye's 1st mv was different. They brought it, and struck me as very strong young women. I was impressed, and I continue to be impressed. Good job, everyone! 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
Among other members Daniela is the most underrated. Hope hybe/geffen could produce music where there's a dance break on it so it could highlight dani as a main dancer and for the main and lead vocalists hope they would produce a song where there is a pre-chorus and bridge, 2mins duration of their songs is not enough thou
Their TikTok following grew SO much in the last month!! 😳👏🏻 went from 2 digit thousands of likes to hundreds of thousands of likes some even breaking a mil likes
great analysis, impressed in how you summarized all members
thank you sm
Dang. Love this hot-take - did HybexGeffen just big-brain us into creating a pressure cooker for a more resilient band 🤯
Watching the documentary you’ll know why Kpop has become popular throughout the past years-it’s the level of marketing their idols through live music performances, aesthetic mvs, reality shows, fan engagements like fancalls,fanmeets etc. Unlike western groups who are limited only in releasing songs and an mv, they could only have live performance like awards show, festival or like being on tour. There is lack of fan engagements that’s why it’s mostly general public and because of this it is hard to turn casual listeners to fans.
I do hope the management of katseye continue this kpop marketing style of them on putting a lot of contents going on music shows and visiting other countries because the moment they stop doing this they would just become a normal western group.
Fans love watching their idols and all the contents they continuously do. Lack of contents are the reason why fans jump from another group to another.
It may seem that kpop has seen a decline since a lot of groups debuting left and right but with popular entertainment companies debuting their new groups it is a matter of time when a potential new one would rise that would level up and be popular like BTS and Blackpink. And seeing how kpop groups are now multilingual it would be easy now to communicate w/ international fans.
That’s why I do hope whatever they are doing to katseye marketing they continue it because these girls really do have the talent and IT factor to become BIG. They are all like CENTERS in their own way.
With the rise of popularity of Katseye we can say that other kpop companies would follow these steps since they knew it click to the people.
This video just bias wrecked me period. I love them all equally I CANT CHOOSE ANYMORE
me while making this: same!
Honestly so glad Katseye has a unique debut concept, almost thought every GG that Debut would be Y2K Newjeans 2.0
Literally the only person I wish could’ve made it was Samara I looooved there
I just wish they could perform without anyone (Manon) hiding behind someone else.
@Sohey @Grant
Even when behind someone, her synchronization still falls at a 100%
@@eline.m2186but it’s just the beginning of their journey.she gonna improve so let’s just wait
It was just for one song (debut) tho
Manon may not have been the most technically talented in DA but her debut was essential for the success of KATSEYE. So many people have no idea what DA is/are just now learning about the doc knew about Manon from when her DA headshot went viral. It’s not even pretty privilege, her personality aura and vibe just is 100% the IT factor, You can build technical skills in most people, it’s much harder to find pure star quality.
this video is so good!
thank you so much
This is what I call an analyzation baby! Well done. KATSEYE TO THE WORLD!!!!!
aww thank you
in my way i’m pretty sure megan has more lines bc she sings after lara’s verse
just checked, and you’re right-it was after Lara’s part in the chorus. i forgot about that. thanks for pointing it out~
Manon 😌 talented queen
💯💯💯
Aren’t you a journalist? Cos you’re so on point. And the production of this vlog is so impressive!
that’s such an honor but i am not hehe thank you so much!
i so love and agree with ur perspective, thank u and I adore the girls I hope hybe will truly invest in training and developing them to navigate their own career and music 🙏🏼
thank you as well
Just watch them yesterday here in the Philippines and wow i really loved there performance hope they become one of the best girl group in world 💯🫶🏻❤️
I saw Megan as a lead from the beginning, not necessarily because she’s the best. It was her height, long limbs, and long hair that made any other position than upfront seem asymmetrical. The Netflix doc was good, but the show’s producers made some poor decisions toward the end. They blindsided the girls, after a year of being together, that they were really in a survival show, and by adding new members late in the process. Several different combinations, or substitutions, would have worked just as well. If you were, like me, only watching the show, it was a big surprise when I saw how different the fans felt about the girls; for example, Manon went from 20th to 4th. It was clear that the original crew was were a little frustrated as well, and rightly so. I love what Lexi did, and I thought the producer sounded stupid by implying “they” had to let her go; no, she didn’t show up on purpose because of the way they handled the elimination process. I thought the show was great and all of the girls’ were extremely talented and worked so hard. It’s crazy, I watched the show in a day, but these girls’ were living and training for more than a year.
Hybe x geffen marketing strategy , if katseye become big it will be an opening for many .
Katseye will be big.
@@EKCristobal then as a business enthusiast I will closely observe their marketing strategy 😉.
@@Rover-h2u yes please! would love to learn it as well.
16:42 The Huening siblings! 😂 Wasn’t expecting to see them here
they were the first ones that came to mind when I thought of musically inclined idols who are family, especially with Kai as a HYBE artist hehe
Yeahhh, Sophia's voice really reminds me of Disney princesses, both her speaking and singing voice. She could be a voice actor for a future Disney princess.
Also, in terms of her physical appearance, this might be an unpopular opinion, but she kind of reminds me of Mulan. I don't knowwww, but she really does. Her face and most especially her hair, the color and the shape of it is somewhat similar to Mulan's. She could pass as Mulan for a live-action movie of Mulan. I thought I was the only one who thought of this until I saw one comment in a Facebook reel that they also see Mulan in Sophia. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
Love you, Sophiakinssss!
They only need one really good song to take flight. So far, their songs are not very strong. Hope they find someone who can give them a Top 10 chart song.
I love Katseye ❤💜🥰
Lara’s voice is no joke
thanks for changing the title.
The Best Global Girl Group in the entire world 💋
Manon looks like a Hollywood actress vibe
I don't know if anyone has pointed it out. but I think they should upload their music videos to their own music channels and not on Hybe because people keep associating them with kpop. if they want to be more popular to an international/western audience they need to get rid of the korean branding just a bit. like why is there a korean translation on the title of their music videos? isn't it supposed to be global???
They are under Hybe obviously they will upload on hybe official channel
the whole point of them is kpop branding lol and their mvs being uploaded to hybe means more visibility because that channel has 70mil subs. The kpop branding is whats going to even push them into the minds of international/western audiences anyways
@@velky_reeds I honestly agree, because if they stick this way, their audience, will always only be Kpop fans. They should promote more in the US.
Get rid of Korean branding lol what you are even saying 😂 hybe and geffan invested in this group like literally they wanted the biggest global group and successful after bts under hybe definitely had high expectations towards them the whole point of group is to include training dance and kpop methodology in western pop group why the hell they'll get rid of their own company
They’re global pop group they'll build fans all over the world has strong base for the and they'll definitely promote them in us market and doing pretty well
This is such a good analysis on katseye and I agree with you on everything, imo if they had official positions.
Sophia - Leader, Lead vocalist, Lead dancer
Manon - Sub vocalist, Visual
Daniela - Main dancer, Main rapper, Vocalist
Lara - Sub-Leader, Main vocalist, Sub rapper
Megan - Lead vocalist, Lead dancer, Lead rapper
Yoonchae - Sub vocalist, Lead dancer, Maknae
I agree with your position as well. Daniela’s vocals are actually at lead vocal level within Katseye, but I’m afraid that might be somewhat sacrificed since she may be assigned more to the performance side. Thank you!
@@gleeclub8810
Comparatively, Yoonchae and Sophia's dance skills are at lead dancer level within Katseye and in most K-pop groups. Megan's dance skills are definitely too good to be limited to a lead dancer role, so she can also be a main dancer alongside Dani. Dani and Megan would also be well-suited for rap positions someday.
my apologies @gleeclub8810, i accidentally deleted your comment.
@@EKCristobal No worries! Thank you for clarifying with Yoonchae and Sophia with being lead dancers. I knew that Yoonchae was definitely a contender for the role, but was not sure if either Lara or Sophia would also be considered lead dancers. I love watching dance and vocal analyses and am always waiting for new videos about Katseye to come out!
16:42 I giggled seeing baby kai oh that’s a member of my favorite boy group! everyone stan TXT too🤭
So Manon is the visual, got it.
Totalmente de acuerdo con el analisis de mega, la vi me llamo la atención desde el inicio hasta el final.
Sophia, Megan, Yoonchae ❤
Since it was a survival show for a Global Girl Group Hybe/Geffen, there was more of an honest take on the selection unlike Korean Only Girl Groups like R U Next..... when you have the committee be Korean focused you will have Rigging taking place. But Geffen wanted it to be a Global Girl group, if HYBE tried to shoehorn only Korean Beauty Standards they were in for a real backlash from the Global audience.
Tbh, Manons star quality is the only reason I was drawn to the group and it confuses me why they keep putting her in the back.
megan best performer SO TRUE
I remember when they started and people were laughing and the low streams compared to other survival and I remember saying....this is about to be HYBE greatest....everything good in hybe starts small😂 no true😂
I love these girls!
Lara and Sophia are a must in this group, 3 to 6 spot could go to anybody.
Wow, now that's analysis.
thank you
21:55 oh nah dont let manon hear this she gon think she got +100000 aura
WHY MEGAN IS ALWAYS MISSING IN SOME PERFORMANCES IS SHE ALWAYS SICK? OR DOES SHE HAVE CURFEW?
injury
China is banning her in some shows and events.
@@soulare Why? and i dont think they are promoting in china
no rap in their songs… none of them have expressed they would want to rap
and before someone smart comments listening to rap isn’t the same as rapping in a song
@@user-xq0hloy4y
Regardless of whether an idol wants to rap, if their label assigns them to do so, they will. My video was intended to highlight how Dani’s natural vocal skills, both in tone and technique, could make her a good fit for rap roles if their label decides to pursue that in the future. I never suggested that she wanted to rap; I simply wanted to point out her potential.
not the chat gpt narration
Thank you for your comment! While the research and analysis are entirely my own, I did use AI to help polish my script since English is my third language. I aimed to communicate my ideas clearly, and appreciate your understanding. Do you think that had any negative effect on the analysis or content itself? I appreciate your feedback!
The future of Global GG? So I should just forget about XG?
We didn't say that but yeah
@@Nanai_mp I'll trust Jackson Wang that XG is the future.
@@shnaide1 love XG but sadly many fans lost interest with them
Compared to 2022-2023
@@JimuelEnero-o5f You must be joking. Woke Up is like their most successful single to date and you saying people lost interest in them? Maybe you mean those kpop fans who likes to hear their usual generic idol music.
@@shnaide1 their only song that was big is left right and shooting star the rest is meh
Sophia is the best
Katseye, all of them, is the BEST❤❤
Personal opinions don't matter. With a few exceptions, why most K-pop groups doesn't last for long? Young talents in Korea like Mamoland, Fifty-Fifty etc., fell in the hands of irresponsible and corrupt people acting as Managers who exploit them. Koreans needs to explain this serious allegation.
KATSEYE the TRUE DEFINITION of TALENTS unlike those AUTO TUNE GG that became FAMOUS tho they cannot SING and RAP LIVE.
Sophia's fanbase is sick it will pay all the bills
Hey ek ,What do you think of ahyeon? Is she over dancing or not ?
will be on a baemon content
They need to improve vocally
Yes, it feels lara carried all the group with the vocal
Lol, watch more predebut vids then.. Sophia is a theatre actress
I'd say they're just not given much songs that would showcase their vocal talents
@@Lucas-z8o4j totally agree. They need a vocally impressive R&B song to break into the western market.
Yeah, like a modern version of Say my name by Destiny's Child or a pop 5th Harmony song. @Frd_vcv
Tbh they have top tier vocalist under hybe so far they'll definitely have that power in their vocals just few years they'll blow up the industry
The perfect final group Katseye would be perfect with these girls:
Sophia 🇵🇭
Lara 🇮🇳🇺🇸
Nayoung 🇰🇷
Samara 🇧🇷
Lexie 🇸🇪
Emily 🇺🇸
Lol, 3 visual holes in this group. Their visuals and heights dont complement each other at all.
@@lushdontu4015 What's the problem? For me, what matters is that they are all very talented and complement each other in terms of talents, in addition to having a lot of diversity.
they would have flopped like vcha
NO
even tho this is an ai video its 100 percent accurate
the voice is ai but i made this analysis hehe but thank youuu
how about Ppop girl group BINI they are popular in the Philippines hope you content them in your channel
they will be featured in the future
@@EKCristobalI hope so, because they are the phenomenal ppop girl in the Philippines 😊 I just wanna recommend on your channel they are the first ppop group to perform KCON LA have Collab with enhypen and katseye 😊 I hope that i can see them on your channel "maraming salamat po"
@@anascodemarkp.662 yes salamat din po
Saw many of their Live performances. Lip-synching again? No, I don.t think so!
genuinely who said they lip synced especially on this vid?
My ranking for the girls are
Vocals
Lara
Sophia
Megan
Yoonchae
Daniela
Manon
Dance
Megan
Lara
Daniela
Yoonchae
Sophia
Manon
Star quality
Manon
Yoonchae
Sophia
Lara
Megan
Daniela
…. Putting Lara above Daniela a trained professional dancer is literally just wrong… give her some respect. It’s clear you just don’t like Daniela 💀
@@emrichards4611 oh no I love Daniela I just like Megan and lara's dancing more , they are more expressive in my opinion and I can't take my eyes off them when they're performing
@@kpoppergirl6235 so you mean stage presence… it makes zero sense to put a person who is professional trained since she was 2 yo under someone with almost no prior dance experience.
Awful ranking 😂
The correct list:
Vocals:
1. Lara
2. Sophia
3. Megan
4. Daniella
5. Yoonchae
6. Manon
Dance
1. Daniella
2. Megan
3. Yoonchae
4. Lara
5. Sophia
6. Manon
Star quality
1. Manon
2. Sophia
3. Lara
4. Megan
5. Yoonchae
6. Daniella
.
The only reason I don’t like Lara is cus she looks exactly like my psycho ex. Despite that; Can’t dispute that she is the best vocalist
can you analyze sakuras from leserfim lazy vocal training and how she was able to debut?
i will be making an iz*one video soon similar to this content. i would have to rewatch produce 48 tho so i can create a comparison of their skills now. it might take long, but im excited…
Iz*one😓💯
I seriously dont like MANON…. But my gosh! is she ever pretty and definitely have that star quality… and i think for that alone she have the right to be in the final line up skills can be learned
Ur weird no one cares if u dont like
Her
@@lillcutie6189 people change… lets see if she can change that… i honestly start to like her, the way she approach the girls on cam i find is very genuine and friendly, but i hope shes the same behind camera, she still have a lot to prove character wise…
people can change yet here u r hating her. You literally then go on to say she seems genuine around the girls and friendly but then write a horrible hate comment... weird
@@ishie414that can literally be applied to everyone else…so why just her? 😭😭😭
For me it's not the future,it's not kpop the US pop suck
It is just wait and watch
@@giuseppepuccio8807 US pop sucks? we currently have girls like Tate McRae, Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo, Chappell Roan and Billie Eilish running the pop scene rn. Its ok to say u just listen to kpop❤️
PERFECT lineup would have
Nayoung🇰🇷-Main vocal
Manon 🇬🇭🇮🇹🇨🇭-Visual
Sophia🇵🇭- All rounder
Adela 🇸🇰- Main dancer “Rapper”
Celeste 🇦🇷-Lead dancer Visual
Samara 🇧🇷-Lead vocal
Lara 🇺🇸🇮🇳- Main vocal
Adela and Manon in the same group, you sure? 😅
@@trangichigo2001 Lol why not? Because ones white and the other is black/mixed? If they got a chance to actually live together and build a bond im sure theyd be just as close as the girls are now.
@@keith322girl you know damn well it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with adela thinks/thought manon is/was lazy.
@@secondgensupremacy Well theres obviously a reason why she felt that way lmao and i doubt she still thinks Manon is lazy or doesnt deserve it so why does it still matter
@@secondgensupremacy thats all in the past both of them have moved on but i will never move on, they would have been spectacular in a group together
Lol they don't have talent
.they can't even sing live...I would say vcha has more plus all their personal talents
😂😂😂Lol
Katseye outsell VCHA. Sorry
i'm very satisfied with the line up of KATSEYE but still the line up would be even stronger if only they added SAMARA to the group. 😭
Too bad SAMARA lost her final spot because of her scandel made up by haters. 😞
She never liked those videos on TikTok?
@@eline.m2186 i get ur point. she definitely shouldnt have liked them. but if u make research properly, it's not about downgrading others. it's just a funny video about indians street food. and the other video about isreal and gaza conflict is just the educational purpose. but the haters are over exggerating things and just bcuz the liked those vids on tiktok doesnt necessarily make her islamphobic and pro-isreal. plz make it sense. 😭
@@Felix_12-kstYou start off by saying that she definitely shouldn't have liked them, which explains why people were mad at her in the first place since she was giving likes to videos she wasn't supposed to. And this is also something you just admitted to since you admit that she definitely shouldn't have liked them.
So why are you taking out your frustrations on the people that took it out on her with a good reason?
@@Moa-pe5ig i said she shouldn't have liked these videos was bcuz it was one of the actions that justified the reasons of haters to target on her easily and took her spot out of the line up. and wdym they took her out with good reasons? and I already mentioned that if SAMARA didn't have the scandal , she would probably be in the group. and I never showed that I'm outraged by the haters. the only thing I actually meant was I feel really sad for samara for loosing her spot bcuz the haters sabotaged her. i hope u get my point. < 3
@@Felix_12-kst She lost her spot? Are you saying she was in the Top 5 on the Judge's score sheet and still lost her spot?