I am an old Nikon shooter and we have, of course tested different cameras and lenses in our studio before buying new gear. Few things, your D850 must have had some problems, probably calibration. It's by far the best camera among all the Nikon's that you are mentioning in this video. And, it's certainly a mistake to reduce the resolution in camera to 24.5 mpx, compared with cropped images with Nikon's software it certainly is less "sharp". Try to do the same with the D780 and reduce it to 12mpx and the D700 beats it in every aspect! Not even the Z8 beats D850 which produces more organic photos. Test it with, for example Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2 ZF2 which I use a lot and you will see what I mean. That lens shows you the difference in camera quality extremely precise because it's resolution is so high. I and many colleagues of mine will never sell D850, despite using Z cameras as well among which only the Z9 somehow compares to D850 so we use both of them in combination most of the time professionally. At the end, D850 is certainly showing you the difference in the lens quality extremely clear, it's really not forgiving a lot. Keep up the good work, best regards from Croatia!
Glad the gear talk is back as I really enjoy your ramblings. How about using yiur ZF for portraiture. Mine gives excellent colours and 24MP is easily enough resolution.
@@paulhills1967 indeed that's certainly an option and as you say the colours are super and I'll be using some manual focus lenses and the Zf is great at that
Hi Allen, thanks for a very interesting video. I always enjoy your ramblings! I’m just wondering if your D850’s focusing system was damaged when it was dropped. You may have had a bad example to test with. I have a Z7 and was very interested to learn that it would not resolve the best images from my Nikon 58 1.4. Maybe I’ll have to trade in my Z7 for a Z6 3, or Zf. I’m also considering switching away from Z gear altogether and going DSLR as the DSLR lenses are so much cheaper; a D780 perhaps? All the best.
Did your 58mm work on your dslr camera, (D850/D750) ? Was it the AF for the Z7 & did you try any 50mm Z/S lenses? Just curious because I shoot a D810 & will probably pick up a Nikon mirrorless or D850 not to lose out on my F mount glass & thanks for any replies.
New subscriber.... any chance of a link to the site that shows the lenses compatible with the D850 regarding the 45MP sensor.... as being a new D850 owner I am just dipping my foot into the water lens wise... Have always been an Olympus shooter, but the new mirrorless ones to me are very much deep menu styled cameras... wheras the D850 is so easy to set up and use.... so far I have just gone for the regular 16 /35 mm zoom and the 50mm f 1.4 lenses just to get me going... so knowing the lenses to get the max out of the sensor would be super... thanks in advance... going back to watch a few more of the back catalogue vids you have...Yoki...
I've just bought the D750 full frame but smaller sensor. Any f mount lens will fit. Nikon nicor, or Sigma f mount. The D750 I bought is my first ever camera to pass the time in my retirement. It's a steep learning curve but it's fun. Good look with your D850. That will be my next purchase. 👍
In other words are you saying don't get the Z8. I have the new Z 50mm F1.4, Z 35mm F1.8 s, Z 14-30mm F4, 85mm F1.8g, 105 F2.8g macro, 70-200mm F2.8 VRii. Should I get the Z8. I currently have a Z6. I do weddings events and product photography.
@@Cotictimmy the Zf and Z6III have very similar AF. I've had the Z8 and that is barely any better so with all the latest Z's you do get really good AF. And for manual focus lenses the Zf is the best.
Hi and as I said - for some things the D850 is perfect for. I've had the Z8 and tbh I'd prefer the D850 images - the clever no shutter thing gives insane shooting rates but does nothing for image quality. Allen
@ I agree with you I understand for weddings it probably not ideal I shot loads of weddings on my old D700 and D800 I love a z8 but I have so many nice vintage lenses I enjoy using yes I know you can get a adapter for me it not the same I am old and grumpy lol 😂
Hi! It would be interesting to see how to shoot portraits of your mannequin with the cheapest lenses 40F2 and 28 F2.8. My girlfrend wants me to shoot her, but honestly I don't know how to surprise her so that she would like it!
Allen I’ve been saying this for a while. Use the 780 for portraits it rocks man. Loving your posts as they reflect my photographic opinions. Glad you like your Z6 3 I got one 6 months ago. I find the 780 is so easy to use and customize. The 6 3has a lot more options but it’s worth the time and effort. I’m starting portrait work with these rigs and am just loving the images. Even if the 45MP images are sharp they show way too many facial flaws like pores and blackheads that you would be there for hours in light room.😂
Shutter speeds. Z6-II or Z full frames have IBIS, yes? Higher MP DSLR cameras like the D 850 should be using a higher shutter speed compared to a 20-24mp sensor camera. I remember this when the D850 was first released because the resolution is so good on that camera, it will magnify the littlestof movement or any errors of any type. Especially without IBIS, you would probably need to increase the shutter speed. Of coarse, each & every photographer might have different capabilities when shooting at slower shutter speeds. Or any shutter speed for that matter. You should see what I see thru my viewfinder after 3 16oz. cups of high-test coffee in the morning & trying to shoot a 500mm lens! 😊
I got my D850 for large group shots at Weddings -- I don't need a lot of them, so file size doesn't matter. I'd be in the "poor-house" if I bought enough of those uber-$$$fancy$$$ X-speed cards for an entire Wedding -- and also disk-drive space! Great call on the D850 reducing the quality from "L" to "M" (12-bit to 10-bit) -- that I was unaware of! Also, good info on the focus tracking (Read: Bride walking down the aisle), although why I would need 45MP for those shots remains uncertain. Artificial light is typically available for those anyway. I'm keeping my D850 -- which, via Nikon, I was also planning to pair with a D780 as you did. Currently, my main cameras are Olympus/OM Systems m43 units (Read: OM-1 -- a REALLY great camera!!) which are utterly beautiful cameras -- along with the files I get from them!!! I also plan to do the "walking towards a 'face'" exercise with all my bodies to see how they fare. I'm also planning to get a Sony A99 ii. No, I'm not (Read: don't feel like) a camera hog, but I've got a pile of legacy pro-glass from both Nikon and Minolta -- from film days that I need to 'upgrade' to digital. Your video was surprisingly helpful to me!!!! I just subscribed.
I am an old Nikon shooter and we have, of course tested different cameras and lenses in our studio before buying new gear. Few things, your D850 must have had some problems, probably calibration. It's by far the best camera among all the Nikon's that you are mentioning in this video. And, it's certainly a mistake to reduce the resolution in camera to 24.5 mpx, compared with cropped images with Nikon's software it certainly is less "sharp". Try to do the same with the D780 and reduce it to 12mpx and the D700 beats it in every aspect! Not even the Z8 beats D850 which produces more organic photos. Test it with, for example Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2 ZF2 which I use a lot and you will see what I mean. That lens shows you the difference in camera quality extremely precise because it's resolution is so high. I and many colleagues of mine will never sell D850, despite using Z cameras as well among which only the Z9 somehow compares to D850 so we use both of them in combination most of the time professionally. At the end, D850 is certainly showing you the difference in the lens quality extremely clear, it's really not forgiving a lot. Keep up the good work, best regards from Croatia!
I knew you wouldn't be able to resist making gear videos
Glad the gear talk is back as I really enjoy your ramblings. How about using yiur ZF for portraiture. Mine gives excellent colours and 24MP is easily enough resolution.
@@paulhills1967 indeed that's certainly an option and as you say the colours are super and I'll be using some manual focus lenses and the Zf is great at that
Hi Allen, thanks for a very interesting video. I always enjoy your ramblings! I’m just wondering if your D850’s focusing system was damaged when it was dropped. You may have had a bad example to test with. I have a Z7 and was very interested to learn that it would not resolve the best images from my Nikon 58 1.4. Maybe I’ll have to trade in my Z7 for a Z6 3, or Zf. I’m also considering switching away from Z gear altogether and going DSLR as the DSLR lenses are so much cheaper; a D780 perhaps? All the best.
Did your 58mm work on your dslr camera, (D850/D750) ? Was it the AF for the Z7 & did you try any 50mm Z/S lenses? Just curious because I shoot a D810 & will probably pick up a Nikon mirrorless or D850 not to lose out on my F mount glass & thanks for any replies.
New subscriber.... any chance of a link to the site that shows the lenses compatible with the D850 regarding the 45MP sensor.... as being a new D850 owner I am just dipping my foot into the water lens wise... Have always been an Olympus shooter, but the new mirrorless ones to me are very much deep menu styled cameras... wheras the D850 is so easy to set up and use.... so far I have just gone for the regular 16 /35 mm zoom and the 50mm f 1.4 lenses just to get me going... so knowing the lenses to get the max out of the sensor would be super... thanks in advance... going back to watch a few more of the back catalogue vids you have...Yoki...
@@yoki9743 out in London so back tomorrow but most Sigma lenses will be suitable 👍
I've just bought the D750 full frame but smaller sensor. Any f mount lens will fit. Nikon nicor, or Sigma f mount.
The D750 I bought is my first ever camera to pass the time in my retirement.
It's a steep learning curve but it's fun. Good look with your D850. That will be my next purchase. 👍
Nothing better then D4s
was about to say the same
Keep making gear videos along with the photography videos please. It’s what keeps me from buying gear: watching videos about gear 😂
In other words are you saying don't get the Z8.
I have the new Z 50mm F1.4, Z 35mm F1.8 s, Z 14-30mm F4, 85mm F1.8g, 105 F2.8g macro, 70-200mm F2.8 VRii.
Should I get the Z8.
I currently have a Z6.
I do weddings events and product photography.
@@shadyninja1 Ive had a Z8 and the high iso noise was bad. The Z6iii has almost identical AF better evf and smaller and better images. No contest!
@CreativePixelPhotos I'm tempted to get the Z8 just to experience more megapixels and a body and illuminated buttons that reminds me of my D500.
Sigma 105 macro works fantastic for portraits!
I thought the D850 was a 45mp sensor???
Is the Zf any good for portraits? Does it's focus let you down compared with the new Z6iii?
@@Cotictimmy the Zf and Z6III have very similar AF. I've had the Z8 and that is barely any better so with all the latest Z's you do get really good AF. And for manual focus lenses the Zf is the best.
@@CreativePixelPhotos Thank you - appreciated. It's the Zf I'm interested in so that's good to know.
I love my D850 images are always good for landscape only one I would upgrade it to is the Z8
Hi and as I said - for some things the D850 is perfect for. I've had the Z8 and tbh I'd prefer the D850 images - the clever no shutter thing gives insane shooting rates but does nothing for image quality. Allen
@ I agree with you I understand for weddings it probably not ideal I shot loads of weddings on my old D700 and D800 I love a z8 but I have so many nice vintage lenses I enjoy using yes I know you can get a adapter for me it not the same I am old and grumpy lol 😂
Hi! It would be interesting to see how to shoot portraits of your mannequin with the cheapest lenses 40F2 and 28 F2.8. My girlfrend wants me to shoot her, but honestly I don't know how to surprise her so that she would like it!
@@ggdfggdfgdffgfddg34 noted and I'll be doing a video soon
Allen I’ve been saying this for a while. Use the 780 for portraits it rocks man. Loving your posts as they reflect my photographic opinions. Glad you like your Z6 3 I got one 6 months ago. I find the 780 is so easy to use and customize. The 6 3has a lot more options but it’s worth the time and effort. I’m starting portrait work with these rigs and am just loving the images. Even if the 45MP images are sharp they show way too many facial flaws like pores and blackheads that you would be there for hours in light room.😂
Shutter speeds. Z6-II or Z full frames have IBIS, yes? Higher MP DSLR cameras like the D 850 should be using a higher shutter speed compared to a 20-24mp sensor camera. I remember this when the D850 was first released because the resolution is so good on that camera, it will magnify the littlestof movement or any errors of any type. Especially without IBIS, you would probably need to increase the shutter speed. Of coarse, each & every photographer might have different capabilities when shooting at slower shutter speeds. Or any shutter speed for that matter. You should see what I see thru my viewfinder after 3 16oz. cups of high-test coffee in the morning & trying to shoot a 500mm lens! 😊
I got my D850 for large group shots at Weddings -- I don't need a lot of them, so file size doesn't matter. I'd be in the "poor-house" if I bought enough of those uber-$$$fancy$$$ X-speed cards for an entire Wedding -- and also disk-drive space!
Great call on the D850 reducing the quality from "L" to "M" (12-bit to 10-bit) -- that I was unaware of!
Also, good info on the focus tracking (Read: Bride walking down the aisle), although why I would need 45MP for those shots remains uncertain. Artificial light is typically available for those anyway.
I'm keeping my D850 -- which, via Nikon, I was also planning to pair with a D780 as you did.
Currently, my main cameras are Olympus/OM Systems m43 units (Read: OM-1 -- a REALLY great camera!!) which are utterly beautiful cameras -- along with the files I get from them!!! I also plan to do the "walking towards a 'face'" exercise with all my bodies to see how they fare.
I'm also planning to get a Sony A99 ii. No, I'm not (Read: don't feel like) a camera hog, but I've got a pile of legacy pro-glass from both Nikon and Minolta -- from film days that I need to 'upgrade' to digital.
Your video was surprisingly helpful to me!!!! I just subscribed.
What a waffler !
No credibility at all.
as @macwestcanon said try the d4s.