@@thomasmarchese2808I have a m16a4 clone and am suppressing it soon just waiting on it to get here as it’s already been approved! It’s gonna be a rail gun with how long it is lol
I got one for $600 and the Tritium wasn't totally expired but even when they're brand new the Tritium is pretty lame. Only downside to the one I have is that it doesn't have the integrated RMR mount. I'd have to buy an adapter to mount an RMR around the lens. Mine is a TA31RCOM4
used to shoot 3" clays on the hillside at 300 yards with my Steyr/ACOG combo. 16" barrel with 62gr green tip. Super clear and bright. The BDC makes it all too easy.
I have a TA02 for my DD M4A1. It's great. I like the FSP, too, but I don't have one of those. I could get the upper at some point or just get a DD front sight to put on the picattany. The only thing about having the FSP attached to the barrel is that it might be more of a challenge to get a new barrel like that if or when needed so I thought maybe just attaching that DD one to the front rail might work fine. It's definitely cheaper than an upper. Lol.
I'm currently shopping around for an ACOG and I've found that the 3.5x power version has a much more forgiving eye relief. I know it's not the EXACT one the military uses, but I'm leaning towards the 3.5x version. I'm going for looks more than the 'clone' aspect. Great video as always, James!
TA11 is arguably the better one to get for civilians due to the better eye relief, and the fact that the reticle is calibrated for 55gr out of a 16in barrel
It is not just the eye relief that makes the TA11 easier, the eye box is over 50% bigger as well. So basically if you are looking at a target and then bring your rifle up you will almost instantly be able to get the reticle on target. Actually, the Memecog (TA55) is just as good in this regard and I am favoring it to be my second ACOG instead of the TA31. Thoughts anybody?
The TA31 is the first "high end" scope that I purchased for the first carbine over $2K in my collection. It has been on nearly every CF rifle I've owned in the last decade and presently lives on a Galil ACE in 5.45x39.
Love the TA31 green chevron with a piggyback 507ACSS on a 14'' dimpled and P&W barrel LMT. Quick, simple, robust and well balanced. The 507 acts like a head up display and let my head remaining in a very natural posture. And I can get a full cheek weld whenever I need to look through the ACOG.
Great video! Trijicon makes a mount for the ACOG that brings the scope further back so you'll have the proper eye relief! There's some other companies that make the the same type of mounts, but I just can't remember their names! Again, great video!
I prefer the TA11 over the TA31 due to the longer eye relief but that TA31 works great. Weapon Outfitters sells KRAM spacers that moves the optic up and back. The lowest one put you over the midwest industries low profile rear iron sight.
@@matthewsartin7265 ok thanks for reply. The acog makes me feel like a sharp shooter it’s really on point and I can see where my shots landing for zeroing without even moving an inch off of the bench. Out of my EOTech aim point comp m4s and acog I think I love my acog the best
My dream optic was always tied between the ACOG and holographic sights since they've been lingering in my favorite games and movies as I grew up. Until recently I learned about prism optics which are a great budget optic if you cannot afford an ACOG but want the reliability of one. The primary arms 1x is what I use on my PCC and I'm planning on a 3x when I dabble into 5.56 one day.
I'll be honest...my only acog is a $150 Aliexpress TA31. 1200 rounds and still going strong with zero issues! Yeah, i know it doesn't compare to the real thing. I keep telling myself "i'll save up" but always end up buying another rifle😂
Very nice! I haven’t used the ACOG/RMR combo but I hear it’s great. Also, not exactly what you mentioned you’re after, but another combo is an MPVO/red dot. I have the Primary Arms GLx 3-18x44 FFP with the Holosun 407c. Used a LaRue Tactical LT788-2 to mount it at 12 o’clock. It works well, but not sure if this setup/tier of optic is what you’re looking for. Also, if it makes a difference, technically what I have is an MPVO, not an LPVO.
20 inch AR with an ACOG is the deadliest infantry weapon of our time. Four tours, and this is rifle that pays dividends. I'm a little taller than most, so the eyebox isn't as much an issue for me.
The 4x32 I don't think is the right ACOG for a 20in because of the stock length. When I finally get around an A4 I'll probably pick up a 3.5x35 ACOG. One wonders if the Marines choose a 4x32 because it was already in procurement.
@@T-SwiftsMaritalAid I love the TA31 but short eye relief on acogs is definitely not a myth. It's not a big issue like people make it seem though, you just have to set up your rifle correctly
Youre right about the stock length, especially on a A2 style stock. What i did was installed a A1 stock(.650 inches shorter) onto my fn16 with the ta31 on the carry handle and its perfect. Im 6ft for reference.
The RCO has about the same eye relief as the aperture sights. For as long as the Marines have issued the M16 and its derivatives, they have taught chipmunk cheek and nose to charging handle to achieve proper head position for the iron sights. The RCO requires a nearly identical eye relief to the rear aperture, and for most of us, the A2 stocks accommodate that well until you start adding body armor and pack straps. In your IBA with your patrol pack on, the length of pull on the A2 becomes an issue. I am 6'6" and manage, but even I still feel like I really have to crane my head forward unnaturally to achieve proper eye relief with body armor on. But the eye relief on the RCO really isn't the issue it is made out to be if you are using the techniques you are trained with. Again, the rear aperture has been used effectively on the M16 for 60 years and on previous US service rifles for 60 years prior to that. If you think getting your eye up to the aperture on a 5.56mm rifle is sketch, consider the M14, M1 Garand, and M1903A3 all had aperture sights as well that required your eye to be within an inch and a half of them while firing a full power .30 caliber rifle round.
I can't say that I would get an ACOG unless if it has a picatinny rail of its own when it comes to red dots and/or if I have an offset. It's not terrible, but I'd take magnifiers or LPVOs any day. My only problem is the price 😭📝
The 3.5 LED Acog will change your entire opinion on Acogs as a whole, IMO it is the best optic on the planet if you learn to shoot it with both eyes open it’s just as fast as a red dot 0-25 and makes hitting 6” plates at 100-500 a joke for someone with little to no experience. The big issue is the cost at 950-1350$ depending on the model.
I hate how you say durable but i like the quality of your channel. Your mannerisms seem like AI banged out unreal engine 5, and I'm still not convinced you are a real human. Either way, i still watched. Good on you, hUmAn.
Tbh I like the vortex 4x prism better. I cant stand the eye relief on the acog. Plus it’s really high quality for only $250 (not shitting on the acog it’s a GREAT optic)
in 2024 this is by far the WORST option. Terrible eye relief, fixed magnification, BDC is only true to one particular ammo, etc. A red dot sight like an Aimpoint T-2, Sig 4t, or Eotech will be much better. Add a magnifier a you got the best of both worlds. And if you really want more in magnification, an LPVO would serve you much better. Vortex Razor line, Nightforce ATACR, Leupold Mark 5's, etc. ACOGs were invented in the early 90's and good for the time period. In 2024, they are REALLY outdated and are surpassed by many better options. Especially for the price. $1,000 for a fixed power optic is stupid when you can buy a Vortex Razor 1-6 for $1500 or less. And same for a quality red dot. Aimpoint T-2 and a magnifier will run you around $1500. A red dot and magnifier OR an LPVO will give you more capabilty than an ACOG will. ACOG's don't play nice with NV and Thermals as well.
ACOG RMR stack is a great option if you're concerned about weight. Dot+Mag usually weighs more and the magnifier has even worse eye relief than an ACOG so really that option isn't great. LPVO's are great, I like them, no complaints there but you'll still want a red dot mounted on top or on an Arisaka offset or something. Most people do, especially since you're bringing up NV. If you're an NV user then some sort of offset dot is just as important as if you're running an ACOG. Also, the ACOG BDC might only be "true" for one ammo/barrel length but it if you just use a ballistic calculator and shoot your gun you'll figure out what the holds actually line up to with your choice of ammo/barrel length. It's not rocket science. I have every combination of optic you listed and the ACOG RMR is a simple, rugged, and effective option that is less expensive than most of the other stuff you listed. The ACOG would be even better if Trijicon continued to improve the reticle design and offer wind holds and such. I personally usually use an LPVO+12 o'clock red dot but it weighs significantly more than an ACOG+RMR. That's a legit consideration when you also add in a light, suppressor, maybe a LAM, etc.
So much nonsense in one comment 😂😂 if you can afford $10,000 night vision then why does it matter if the acog is expensive? Also night vision is beyond laughable if you’re not in the military. There’s zero eye relief issues with my TA31. That’s a bigger myth than the Loch Ness monster. And there’s not a more durable optic on planet earth. There’s videos of throwing one off a cliff, running it over with a truck, setting it on fire, shooting a hole through it and blowing it up with tannerite and it still holds zero. And it’s easy to use up close if you just take two seconds to practice with it. An lpvo is incredible fragile
Magnifiers eye relief is awful too. if you're going for a reflex or red dot with a magnifier, an ACOG is the much much better option. An aimpoint too? Really, a $1000 for a friggin red dot? That's the most over priced garbage in the country. For $1000-1200, an ACOG is a superior option to anything you mentioned and CHEAPER TOO. Unless you're like Botkin or some of these other retarded guntubers mag dumping at 6 feet on cardboard, an ACOG is superior
@@armorers_wrench Difference with RDS and magnifier combo vs ACOG, you can totally remove magnifier and just run dot if not needed. Also ACOG lacks true one power REQUIRING an RDS which then will sit extremely tall causing loss of connection to rifle and the typical chin weld. Not ideal. And while magnifiers do not have great eye relief there are ways to use them that mitigate this. Check out Fred at Counting Coup or Mark at Praecore, they teach classes on this. And yes an RDS is a nice option paired with an LPVO.
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Well, I'm sold on the ACOG and M16A4. Haven't played with one in several years since I left the Marines but I think I'll take the plunge.
I know they're kind of expensive, but I recently got an FN M16A4 Military Collector and I really like it. I would reccomend it!
Shorter and a can. Better off. Not 11.5 short maybe. But if you are ok with it being a Kentucky long rifle a a 16” and can will do very very well
@@thomasmarchese2808I have a m16a4 clone and am suppressing it soon just waiting on it to get here as it’s already been approved! It’s gonna be a rail gun with how long it is lol
@@YELLOWcodename that is what I am looking at, hope to pick one up soon
@@thomasmarchese2808 I already own an 11.5 and am waiting for my Polo K to get out of jail.
That thumbnail made me do a double take because you kinda look like Hop in that shot.
He looks a lot like hop in his thumbnails!
That's what I thought as well haha
America's Rifle with America's Combat Scope
Nuff said
This man single handily justifying my poor finacial decisions. You are a champion among men sir.
I like to think as though I’m testing peoples’ financial restraint 😏🤣🤣
Beautiful gun and even better tool
I bought a surplus TA31RCOa4 for about half the price a new one goes for. The tritium was fully expired but it still works well with fiber optic.
Where?
Dude for half price I’d say that’s a really killer deal!
I got one for $600 and the Tritium wasn't totally expired but even when they're brand new the Tritium is pretty lame. Only downside to the one I have is that it doesn't have the integrated RMR mount. I'd have to buy an adapter to mount an RMR around the lens. Mine is a TA31RCOM4
@@armorers_wrench Good to see you fellow fren
used to shoot 3" clays on the hillside at 300 yards with my Steyr/ACOG combo. 16" barrel with 62gr green tip. Super clear and bright. The BDC makes it all too easy.
I just got my TA02 yesterday for my 14.5 DD quad rail FSB upper. Looks awesome.
I have a TA02 for my DD M4A1. It's great. I like the FSP, too, but I don't have one of those. I could get the upper at some point or just get a DD front sight to put on the picattany. The only thing about having the FSP attached to the barrel is that it might be more of a challenge to get a new barrel like that if or when needed so I thought maybe just attaching that DD one to the front rail might work fine. It's definitely cheaper than an upper. Lol.
I'm currently shopping around for an ACOG and I've found that the 3.5x power version has a much more forgiving eye relief. I know it's not the EXACT one the military uses, but I'm leaning towards the 3.5x version. I'm going for looks more than the 'clone' aspect. Great video as always, James!
Actually I've seen photos of marines using the TA11 squad optic for the M27 on their A4s
Hey whatever works best for you, thinking of getting a ta11 for my DDM4V9 when I get my MK18 build together and moving my Aimpoint m4 comps
@@TheHatman168 Thanks for the tip!
TA11 is arguably the better one to get for civilians due to the better eye relief, and the fact that the reticle is calibrated for 55gr out of a 16in barrel
It is not just the eye relief that makes the TA11 easier, the eye box is over 50% bigger as well. So basically if you are looking at a target and then bring your rifle up you will almost instantly be able to get the reticle on target. Actually, the Memecog (TA55) is just as good in this regard and I am favoring it to be my second ACOG instead of the TA31. Thoughts anybody?
under rated channel here
The TA31 is the first "high end" scope that I purchased for the first carbine over $2K in my collection. It has been on nearly every CF rifle I've owned in the last decade and presently lives on a Galil ACE in 5.45x39.
Love the TA31 green chevron with a piggyback 507ACSS on a 14'' dimpled and P&W barrel LMT. Quick, simple, robust and well balanced.
The 507 acts like a head up display and let my head remaining in a very natural posture. And I can get a full cheek weld whenever I need to look through the ACOG.
Acog is a proven optic. Rock solid.
Still one of the best optics out there.
Great video! Trijicon makes a mount for the ACOG that brings the scope further back so you'll have the proper eye relief! There's some other companies that make the the same type of mounts, but I just can't remember their names! Again, great video!
Weapon outfitters, kram spacers
Sick build man, thanks for sharinf
I prefer the TA11 over the TA31 due to the longer eye relief but that TA31 works great. Weapon Outfitters sells KRAM spacers that moves the optic up and back. The lowest one put you over the midwest industries low profile rear iron sight.
The TA11 is the 3.5x one right? That's the one I'm looking at getting.
@@YELLOWcodename yes, its fantastic. I prefer it over the TA31 RCO, and I've used both extensively.
I have an ta11 h-g and I love it. Just got around to zeroing it in this past weekend. I did a 50 yard zero. What yard do you zero your ta11 at?
@@boomerak4774 I do 50-200 because I’m mainly running around a pine plantation that is leased for hunting, the farthest shot I get is about 270 yards.
@@matthewsartin7265 ok thanks for reply. The acog makes me feel like a sharp shooter it’s really on point and I can see where my shots landing for zeroing without even moving an inch off of the bench. Out of my EOTech aim point comp m4s and acog I think I love my acog the best
My dream optic was always tied between the ACOG and holographic sights since they've been lingering in my favorite games and movies as I grew up. Until recently I learned about prism optics which are a great budget optic if you cannot afford an ACOG but want the reliability of one. The primary arms 1x is what I use on my PCC and I'm planning on a 3x when I dabble into 5.56 one day.
Just buy an ACOG used. You can get them for pretty cheap if you look around on websites where people sell used optics.
the 2x prism has a great eyebox that makes it really easy to get behind
Did that. ACOGed my Colt AR15A4 and M5 Knights Armament rail with my "clone."
I'll be honest...my only acog is a $150 Aliexpress TA31. 1200 rounds and still going strong with zero issues!
Yeah, i know it doesn't compare to the real thing. I keep telling myself "i'll save up" but always end up buying another rifle😂
Airsoft?
I’ve always had a soft spot for the A4/ACOG combo. Maybe it’s from growing up with COD 4
Oh man, good times. The guns, the trash talking… simpler times
Like week ago I got trijicon ACOG with trijicon red dot on top after in the market for LVPO or red dot with magnifier.
Very nice! I haven’t used the ACOG/RMR combo but I hear it’s great.
Also, not exactly what you mentioned you’re after, but another combo is an MPVO/red dot. I have the Primary Arms GLx 3-18x44 FFP with the Holosun 407c. Used a LaRue Tactical LT788-2 to mount it at 12 o’clock. It works well, but not sure if this setup/tier of optic is what you’re looking for.
Also, if it makes a difference, technically what I have is an MPVO, not an LPVO.
What is an optimal zero for your ACOG? I plan to buy one for my 20 inch, but I'm sure 50 meters seems reasonable.
Hell yeah
20 inch AR with an ACOG is the deadliest infantry weapon of our time. Four tours, and this is rifle that pays dividends. I'm a little taller than most, so the eyebox isn't as much an issue for me.
9:08 even if you don’t like the eye box you can just slap a RMR on top
Love mine
Bro how do you even eye relief?
Doesn't the T11 take a battery
The 4x32 I don't think is the right ACOG for a 20in because of the stock length. When I finally get around an A4 I'll probably pick up a 3.5x35 ACOG. One wonders if the Marines choose a 4x32 because it was already in procurement.
Unlimited field of view and the eye relief thing is just a myth. My TA31 has no eye relief issues at all
@@T-SwiftsMaritalAid I love the TA31 but short eye relief on acogs is definitely not a myth. It's not a big issue like people make it seem though, you just have to set up your rifle correctly
Youre right about the stock length, especially on a A2 style stock. What i did was installed a A1 stock(.650 inches shorter) onto my fn16 with the ta31 on the carry handle and its perfect. Im 6ft for reference.
The RCO has about the same eye relief as the aperture sights. For as long as the Marines have issued the M16 and its derivatives, they have taught chipmunk cheek and nose to charging handle to achieve proper head position for the iron sights. The RCO requires a nearly identical eye relief to the rear aperture, and for most of us, the A2 stocks accommodate that well until you start adding body armor and pack straps. In your IBA with your patrol pack on, the length of pull on the A2 becomes an issue. I am 6'6" and manage, but even I still feel like I really have to crane my head forward unnaturally to achieve proper eye relief with body armor on. But the eye relief on the RCO really isn't the issue it is made out to be if you are using the techniques you are trained with. Again, the rear aperture has been used effectively on the M16 for 60 years and on previous US service rifles for 60 years prior to that. If you think getting your eye up to the aperture on a 5.56mm rifle is sketch, consider the M14, M1 Garand, and M1903A3 all had aperture sights as well that required your eye to be within an inch and a half of them while firing a full power .30 caliber rifle round.
I can't say that I would get an ACOG unless if it has a picatinny rail of its own when it comes to red dots and/or if I have an offset.
It's not terrible, but I'd take magnifiers or LPVOs any day.
My only problem is the price 😭📝
The 3.5 LED Acog will change your entire opinion on Acogs as a whole, IMO it is the best optic on the planet if you learn to shoot it with both eyes open it’s just as fast as a red dot 0-25 and makes hitting 6” plates at 100-500 a joke for someone with little to no experience.
The big issue is the cost at 950-1350$ depending on the model.
I hate how you say durable but i like the quality of your channel. Your mannerisms seem like AI banged out unreal engine 5, and I'm still not convinced you are a real human. Either way, i still watched. Good on you, hUmAn.
Bro trust me I need some aimbot accuracy when I’m at the range 🤣 🤖
Tbh I like the vortex 4x prism better. I cant stand the eye relief on the acog. Plus it’s really high quality for only $250 (not shitting on the acog it’s a GREAT optic)
Not me, someone who’s been looking for a reason to buy a ta31 finding this video 😬
We never ever had flip up sights issued with a4s they came with carry handles. Also I dide see a4s with eotechs in Iraq.
Get the ACOG further back and you'll like it more.
how do you get away with looking so much like hop lol
😂😂😂
Close range aimpoint comp M4. Mid range trijicon
Can confirm- this rifle set up F”,ks
I dunno why but I keep staring at his hair while he is talking.
Compliment (🧐) accepted
@@jamesshoots it really is awesome hair style 👍🏼
@@Preacher-Tac-f3b my man 🙌🙌
Bro talks in slow motion
what up hoplopfheil/Stephen King
no. it costs more than my black rifle!
man in sandals with irons only entered the chat, super powers defeated but lmao at thinking an optic is gunna help
in 2024 this is by far the WORST option. Terrible eye relief, fixed magnification, BDC is only true to one particular ammo, etc. A red dot sight like an Aimpoint T-2, Sig 4t, or Eotech will be much better. Add a magnifier a you got the best of both worlds. And if you really want more in magnification, an LPVO would serve you much better. Vortex Razor line, Nightforce ATACR, Leupold Mark 5's, etc.
ACOGs were invented in the early 90's and good for the time period. In 2024, they are REALLY outdated and are surpassed by many better options. Especially for the price. $1,000 for a fixed power optic is stupid when you can buy a Vortex Razor 1-6 for $1500 or less. And same for a quality red dot. Aimpoint T-2 and a magnifier will run you around $1500. A red dot and magnifier OR an LPVO will give you more capabilty than an ACOG will.
ACOG's don't play nice with NV and Thermals as well.
ACOG RMR stack is a great option if you're concerned about weight. Dot+Mag usually weighs more and the magnifier has even worse eye relief than an ACOG so really that option isn't great. LPVO's are great, I like them, no complaints there but you'll still want a red dot mounted on top or on an Arisaka offset or something. Most people do, especially since you're bringing up NV. If you're an NV user then some sort of offset dot is just as important as if you're running an ACOG.
Also, the ACOG BDC might only be "true" for one ammo/barrel length but it if you just use a ballistic calculator and shoot your gun you'll figure out what the holds actually line up to with your choice of ammo/barrel length. It's not rocket science. I have every combination of optic you listed and the ACOG RMR is a simple, rugged, and effective option that is less expensive than most of the other stuff you listed. The ACOG would be even better if Trijicon continued to improve the reticle design and offer wind holds and such.
I personally usually use an LPVO+12 o'clock red dot but it weighs significantly more than an ACOG+RMR. That's a legit consideration when you also add in a light, suppressor, maybe a LAM, etc.
So much nonsense in one comment 😂😂 if you can afford $10,000 night vision then why does it matter if the acog is expensive? Also night vision is beyond laughable if you’re not in the military. There’s zero eye relief issues with my TA31. That’s a bigger myth than the Loch Ness monster. And there’s not a more durable optic on planet earth. There’s videos of throwing one off a cliff, running it over with a truck, setting it on fire, shooting a hole through it and blowing it up with tannerite and it still holds zero. And it’s easy to use up close if you just take two seconds to practice with it. An lpvo is incredible fragile
Magnifiers eye relief is awful too. if you're going for a reflex or red dot with a magnifier, an ACOG is the much much better option. An aimpoint too? Really, a $1000 for a friggin red dot? That's the most over priced garbage in the country. For $1000-1200, an ACOG is a superior option to anything you mentioned and CHEAPER TOO. Unless you're like Botkin or some of these other retarded guntubers mag dumping at 6 feet on cardboard, an ACOG is superior
Yeah, some optics are better in particular situations, but to say “by far the WORST option” is by far the WORST hyperbole in this conversation.
@@armorers_wrench Difference with RDS and magnifier combo vs ACOG, you can totally remove magnifier and just run dot if not needed. Also ACOG lacks true one power REQUIRING an RDS which then will sit extremely tall causing loss of connection to rifle and the typical chin weld. Not ideal. And while magnifiers do not have great eye relief there are ways to use them that mitigate this. Check out Fred at Counting Coup or Mark at Praecore, they teach classes on this. And yes an RDS is a nice option paired with an LPVO.