I once knew a gay Amish man. He left his religion and was infinitely happier. Like so many of us gay people, he found his family for himself outside the church.
For many, the fear of the unknown keeps them imprisoned in the Amish community, and it's understandable since being Amish is all they know. But for the ones who take that risk and leave, they soon discover there is a whole another world outside of the Amish way of life.
@@scarpien Wise words indeed. The Amish way of life has a unique cultural charm, and it would be a shame to lose it. I can relate to anyone's pain who are forced to do so in order to let them lead a happy life. But the pain is more than worth the gain.
There are certainly enough gay Amish. Working around them in Iowa, I know this. So many gay married Amish men. Yet still get together in secret with others. I left the Mormon church and never once looked back.
Just curious, do you still consider yourself Mormon? Or did you leave religious faith of any kind all together? I was raised Catholic, struggled mightily. First love i found ended up being Mormon, it was too difficult for him though. We split up and left me devastated.
@@davidh9844 - Too bad that so many people lack a sense of humor. The funny thing is that when many of us who have left organized religion and church look at the teachings and philosophies of organized religion, we see it with much more clarity and better perspective than most others.
These are feeling NOT UNIQUE to Amish. I am gay and i went thru the SAME thing coming out, and i cannot live a lie. God made us and he doesn't make mistakes.
Same here. I was raised Roman Catholic. In time, my parents and I reconciled, but they have never fully accepted me. I did find another faith and became a Hindu.
I wonder if deeply religious people ever regret the pain, fear, sadness and confusion that religious dogma causes? I grew up in a devoutly Catholic family. But when I came out to them as a gay man, every single family member expressed their love and understanding to me. They were able to cherish their love of god without doubting their love of me, or mine for them. Truly moral people, like truly patriotic people, do not swallow the senseless idea that genuine humanity only includes people who obey trivial, ancient mythologies, or people who will defend an unjustified war because a belligerent president demanded unthinking loyalty. I love people who refuse to hate, and who keep truth as their North Star! You are the true adherents to the wisdom of prophets, and I salute your courage of conviction.
Grew Up Evangelical Canadian ... took my Parents 2 years... they came around... I was patient. Going back home over the Years for Funerals etc.... you can tell who the "real" Christians were... always bee-lined for me... open arms even when Im with Partner... and smiles and genuinely glad to see me... the others... stand off in a corner.. you can tell.
@@timothyj1966 So true. People who love the message of Jesus, or Moses or Mohammed are just and loving. But the messages of love and justice are lost on those who adore and obey Jesus, Mohammed or Moses themselves. Adoration and obedience are unthinking responses; justice and love actually improve the world.
This video is so redundant. How many times do you have to say the same thing over the course of an almost 10-minute video? Most organized religions seek to control their members, often alienating the very people who need our love, understanding, and acceptance the most.
@@DSmith-gs4tr I was surprised, I went to a straight club and ask the bartender and he told me where to go. And damn, it was there. Not a big place but hold 75-100.
Back in 2000 I met a Amish guy we were both 21 years old and we secretly met when we could an as time went on I started to fall in love with him but his family found out about us and I never saw him again it broke my heart I have always wondered what happened to him even to this day
He was probably unbaptized so not much would have happened to him, beyond a stern admonition that he would have to stop this if he wished to be baptized and join the community. He is likely married with 7 kids.
@@dhhenry7558 the unbaptized youth are not under church rules and are therefore not disciplined by the church, only by their parents. Which is why you will find Amish youth on rumspringa drinking, smoking, driving cars, going to bars and movies, and doing many other things that would get baptized members now under church rules, excommunicated and shunned. But yes you are correct, like 85 - 95% of Old Order Amish youth, he chose church and family over an outsider and the world.
I don't know what the Amish think of it, but that thumbnail is insanely, attractive. Man, if Amish men look like this guy for real, then WOW, BIG TIME!!
Having gone to college in a very heavily Amish area, there are a lot of gay or curious Amish men. Many would go to gay cruising areas and hook up with the college guys. The Amish don't talk about those kinds of things and there is a very big problem within their community with rape and incest due to the fact that they are not allowed to talk about those kinds of things. They really need to figure out what to do
How to stretch 15 seconds into ten minutes: nice. Also, if you enter “picture of Amish boy band” into an AI site, I bet many of those images will come up.
many years ago the Real World had Amish folks who were doing "rumspringa" where they leave to try outside life before deciding to be baptized. it was very fun to watch.
It's not only religion ! so easy to blame religion.. It's always relating to community pressures. My mother was not a religious person, and never wanted to see me after she found out I was gay.. I am a very successful Architect and Engineer, and owned a large firm in NY.. My partner of 30 years and I adopted 2 babies, who are our life, and joy.. My dad loved me , my partner and our son's (now 26 and 27). Yet my dad was a Born again Christian.. His church always loved us. Our son's are intelligent, successful, are starting families and live within 2 miles from our home in North East Coastal Florida. We are love and accepted here in our community in Florida. BTW: We originally lived in a suburb of NYC, and those neighbors were not so welcoming...
Guy, thank you so much for your comment. It was heartfelt, honest, and wakes - and shakes - people up. It's easy, guy, to always blame religion as, when we have emotional issues, we blame our parents. It is not always so, and an easy escape to point the finger and say "it is your fault that I feel bad". Good going for you, be happy, dude, and happy new year.
@@joemancurreri6635 What a great story! I'm so happy it worked out that way, in spite of all the ironies. You and your partner are great role models for other gay men --many of whom want kids but can't seem to figure out how to do that.
Ugh! This disturbs me so much! Everyone has the absolute right to live their true self no matter what situation or community they may be involved in. Terrible that family would shun them away.🤬
I pray that someday, even if its with the grandchildren of today's newborns, amish will accept gays. Making room for new things and beliefs. Even it means embracing changes of old opinions. Just as the world has been doing since the begining.
I hope that everyone who believes in any religion will become smarter and become able to think scientifically while understanding that there is no god that we need to try to please or pray to. Kindness, intellect, compassion, empathy and reasoning should prevail.
@@shawnlong4039 Kindness, intellect, compassion, empathy and reasoning r all important things. But I believe in God. The real problem is ppl r putting their own opinionated beliefs into his words; and thus don't know what is truely his. Until the time comes to meet him. If there was no God, then there's no Heaven to reunite with all of our lost relatives and dear friends.
As a gay man... My Partner and I have associated with More Straight people than Gay.. So many Gay men (and especially lesbians) live in a bubble... They live as Gay men all the time... that is not real life. My sexuality has no impact on my profession, politics, health, wellbeing, etc. We are 100% part of our community..
@@joemancurreri6635 I don't discriminate anybody on day myself but I'm going to tell you something I have more stray friends they have they have helped me in a lot of things that my gay friends actually my gay friends had turned her back on me defend me in any way they can.
I'm English but had an Amish "friend" if you can call it that. He wasn't allowed to associate with me or any of us. Rumspringa I guess is what it's called we had a great time. First time I experimented with another guy. It was wonderful and we had a great time. He committed to the church. I haven't seen him since. Over 20 years now. I still think of him and hope he is well.
I watched the video mainly out of curiosity. I kinda already knew the answer. I do sympathize with the difficult decision a gay Amish will have to make. On the other hand, I've spent my whole life moving away from people who wanted me to conform, even my own family.
It was common back in the 1950's for a priest to counsel a man confessing homosexual tendencies or actions to get married. It happened to a friend of mine. I have known of priests in Ireland who entered the priesthood because they were gay and did not want to be forced into getting married. My Portuguese friends told me the same about some gay men in Portugal who became priests or brothers to escape marriage.
My mother and step father were very judgmental and intolerant of homosexual men. My stepfather nearly had a heart attack when he was told that his brother had been arrested for indecency with another man and it was going to be in the local newspaper at the weekend. Off he goes to read the riot act to him for bringing disgrace on the family name only to find that he had packed up and gone. We never heard of him again and we were never allowed to mention his name. Some years later after my stepfather had died, my mother said that she had information that he had gone to live in Australia. She then said that if she thought that I was like him she would slit her wrists.
The bow tie is still common for small Amish boys in Somerset Pa County the original home of most Western settlements. Holms Co Ohio grew out of the settlements here. The ties did not go west nor the use of a actual meeting house. Another thing that is odd with our Somerset Amish is they are concedered old order and fellowship with those communities inspite of using tractors for the past 90yrs. The Amish are a puzzle with in a puzzle but wonderful people.
I would think this is a personal struggle with in the family and even though Amish, would be different in each case . You would find the Mormons have similar issues and as most , leave the church eventually, albeit probably harder among Amish because their education is slightly behind the normal societal levels. It’s too bad they cannot find better means to speak and get counseling for this! Those that go outside the Amish community, hopefully meet a supportive and helpful gay person from which to decide what they should do for themselves . To have love is a basic need in life!
Gays are everywhere, in any people and societies. At all times, there were gays, rich or poor. It is said that 5 to 7% of men are born gay. Women is even higher.
yes about Mormons, i had to leave to preserve my well being, that was even before the 1990s when they were pushing political anti gay stuff. i am much happier 30 years later. when they ask if i am coming back, I simply say Is it SAFE yet? No it is not.
Forgiveness is given to those who stop and sin no more. But for those who wish to continue in sin, excommunication is the answer to that. Forgiveness is not permission to live in sin.
@@FrugalFuel judgement will always exist, even without religion, as it is a our primary survival ability. To know right from wrong, safe from unsafe, good from bad, acceptable from unacceptable, edible from inedible, healthy from unhealthy, truth from error, etc. Without our inborn ability to be judgemental, or to use the more positive word discerning, we would be extinct as a species. People will arrive at certain conclusions about things, be it lifestyle, politics, food choices, sexual activity and orientation, religion, etc. and form groups with likeminded people that exclude those who think differently from themselves. Driven by our survival instinct to gather with those who share our values, beliefs and world view. The flocking instinct of safety in numbers causes us to form association groups, with those who have different values, beliefs and world views, seen as a primal threat to our safety and survival. The stronger a group's self identify is, the more closed they will be to any ideas, beliefs or practices foreign to that of the group. For a group gives a sense of identity, of belonging, of safety, of protection to it's members. Thereby fulfilling our basic instincts for survival and self preservation. Thus the Amish rejection of homosexuality, is much deeper than just a religious bias or quirk.
The Catholic Church calls it a disorder of human nature that must be resisted. The only option for such people is a life of chastity. In October 1986 the then prefect of the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH (formerly the Holy office of the Inquisition) Cardinal Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI published a letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the pastoral care of homosexual persons. There is some sympathy expressed in the letter but the bottom line is that homosexual acts are a grave sin and the only option for people thus afflicted is a life of chastity. I think you will find that most Othodox Jews and Muslims would share this view.
If an Amish man in midlife has to leave the community they are at risk of poverty if they become disabled or when they become too old to work for themselves. They may not earn enough or contribute long enough to social security out in the secular world.. Their only recourse would be welfare or food stamps. Even with social security and medicare life can be tough if you have contributed to it all your life. It is a scary prospect.
TRUE ! But have Christians acted with the true teachings of Christ ? And we all know that throughout history, Christians have always embraced all religions. They loved the Jews, the Native Americans, the Hindi, the Muslims, etc. Let’s have a reality check here.
Clearly you have not read 1Corinthians 5:9--13. Might as well read 2Corinthians 6:14-18, to get a better understanding on how Christians should live in the world.
@@f.stevenkijek6749 You go, brother. Christ taught his apostles that if a society did not accept them and the message of Christianity, they should turn their backs on that village, wipe the dust from their sandals, and never return again. Being Christian doesn't mean hating anyone is ok, but it also is not license to accept everything that makes one feel good.
It's definitely a lifelong struggle for many who are raised on a religious household. Amish or not, because of other expectations, many choose to live a lie by marrying and having children. In the process, all live miserable lives. That happened to my cousin a few others I know. I chose a different path by being truthful to myself.
It was common back in the 1950's for a priest to counsel a man confessing homosexual tendencies or actions to get married. It happened to a friend of mine. I have known of priests in Ireland who entered the priesthood because they were gay and did not want to be forced into getting married. My Portuguese friends told me the same about some gay men in Portugal who became priests or brothers to escape marriage.
@@IslandHome-o5v Sadly, some of them are exposed to young boys and their abuses are well known. I’m not singling out the priests as youth pastors at other Christians and Jewish faiths have committed the same crimes.
Our major religions have a very narrow knowledge of human sexuality and base it on biblical interpretations and misinterpretations. Jesus Christ in all his ministry never brought up the subject of sexuality. The Old Testatament brings it up especially in the book of Leviticus and beware what you read in the old testament. In the book of Joshua whole populations with their animals were annihilated because of the "promises " of God to Abraham. The old testament has too many inconsistencies. Sexuality is even misunderstood even in our modern times. No one chooses his or her sexuality it's controlled by our hormonal system. All of us have both male and female hormones, they sometimes overlap each other. To put the stain of sin on the backs of people with homosexual tendencies is cruel and dishonorable. Unfortunately religion sometimes makes us very narrowminded !!
@@aaronkingston3444 I don't worship the Bible, I worship Jesus. If you were born gay and have a problem with your sexuality that is your problem to deal with. If not, worry about your own sins instead of trying to find sin in others. God bless you on your journey.
This really isn't different from the struggle most non Amish people deal with. There is a lack of understanding or a misunderstanding of what gay/lesbian means and where such sexual diversions stem from. There is plenty of judgement, punishment and shunning in our own culture. And most of this stems from what others believe to be biblical, Christian or righteous. The church, as a whole, may condemn it but it is doing little to understand it, offering unbiased counseling or empathy and caring. Many Amish and non Amish marry in order to comply but may live unhappy lives or commit adultery outside the marriage. They may treat their spouses with contempt because they feel isolated and forced into a marriage of convenience not love. Because acceptance by others is slow to build gay/lesbian persons of any faith, nationality or sect need to focus on forming communities where information, open conversations, building business connections and relationship guidance are focal and inclusive. I would love to help organize such an outreach.
Scarier still is the fact that most comments these days are also AI generated, especially the ones praising videos like this one for being so great and unique and inspiring, etc. There is a growing belief that the Internet as we knew it has long since died and the majority of it is now run by AI bots both posting and responding. I have no doubt this is absolutely true. I'm 52 and have seen the Internet being born, thrive, and now completely collapse into an utter AI-generated (or degenerated) wasteland. :(
God is perfect, God does not make mistakes. God created all people exactly how God wanted us to be. I can't imagine how parents could throw away their children as if they were garbage. That is the cruelest, evil, and sickest thing a family could do to their children. This situation is not unique to the Amish as it clearly extends to many people worldwide. Jesus never said anything about gay people who lived in Jesus' time.
I am so tired of documentaries being made in which no one actually talks to members of that community; to let the people actually speak for themselves.
This is exactly what so many gay and lesbian actors in Hollywood did for decades (sham marriages) - and probably still do? How sad - it's 2024 and so many people are still ignorant and have no understanding of the real truth about human sexuality, often because of religious bigotry and blind allegiance to the 'word' of the cruel 'God' of the horrific Old Testament.
I have read the fiction set of books "A forbidden rumspringa" which is about two Amish teenage men and their struggle with their homosexuallity and love for each other. It brought a lot out about the Amish community. I am a gay Christian and am out to the church I attend. Some in the church accept me for who I am others don't but thats their problem.
When I was 18 there was an author the wrote a book. His name was Justin Lee. He described that he got married to another man as a Christian man himself. I was never the same and 12 years later, I have reconciled my morals with my inner passions and decided I'm gender-blind.
I am a Plain Friend. A Gay Friend is one who dresses in colors. I worked for Yearly Meeting and I would always say that I am a gay Friend who dresses as a plain friend. I'm totally out. I'm married to a man and we are supported in our Meeting.
The video keeps talking about the gay Amish individuals who stay because of their fear of losing their family, financial standing and 'close knit' community if they leave. But when this same 'community' punishes, ostracizes them for being who they are, what is close/tight knit about that?
so true. I was Mormon and found they tortured gays, so i left and was much happier... originally i went to a church that totally accepted everyone (MCC)... then later I found out that scriptures are fake and human made, so now i just do what is ethical and reasonable... my first change came as a teenager, rejecting the idea of going to war, which was ok then, i just served in hospitals and after that finished my college... later needed work, so returned to hospital work for 40 years and retired recently... life is good away from cults...
In our early 20s I met an x-Amish gay man, Eli Stutzman, and his pre-school son, Danny. Eli had left the Amish after his wife died in a barn fire. He was mild mannered and kind to his son which seemed mutual. An article in Readers Digest about the death of Danny caught my attention on a Dallas news show. Danny’s body was found and his body discarded in a midwestern cornfield. The locals didn’t know who the frozen boy’s body was so they called him “Little Boy Blue.” Eli was in the news again after killing his gay lover outside of Austin. There’s little doubt Eli was a serial killer of the people who loved him the most. After prison Eli died, I believe, from AIDS. Gregg Olsen wrote an excellent and well researched book: Abandoned Prayers: An Incredible True Story of Murder, Obsession, and Amish Secrets (St. Martin's True Crime Library)
@@aaronkingston3444 No, beng Jewish I have not read those sections, nor do I think it would change the misunderstanding of the prohibition on same sex relationships. Here is the short version of the misunderstanding. Until 1869, there was no concept of homoseulity. Until then it was assumed every man was attracted to women. Wise people may have known better but for most there was no concept that for some, heterosexual relationship was impossible. Leviticus 18:22 should be read as "Thou (heterosexual man) shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination." It is heterosexual men who are prohibited from same sex relationships. These passages not apply to homosexual men. The idea that these passages should also apply to homosexuals is crazy. It destroys the life of a homosexual man. And the Bible is not meant to destroy lives. That's the short version.
"Do you hear those noises coming from the Schwarzschmid barn? It sounds like Brother Jeremiah and Brother Jebediah are churning butter late in the day. Again. Why, they are good workers of the Lord indeed, aren't they. A good example for the flock."
Its sad your so gullible, so easy to fool, you cant figure out that the world is full of suffering and injustice far worse than someones desire to rear end another yet you are more concerned for them??????
I am sad for people like that 😢 , being stuck between two worlds.... Be happy and stay with people who you love. I hope this community will see that is very important to see ather people happy ❤ Maybe one day.....🙏
Who cares if someone’s gay gay is just gay. That doesn’t mean a gay person is any less of a human. People heavily judge people for being gay when they’re just born that way. There’s nothing wrong with being gay. Some of this religious stuff is way too controlling and patronizing.
I didn't just dump religion, i also understand all religions are man made. Never shackle your life to nonsense that was made up by goat herders who probably herded a few goats when fairy tales were written down. Keeping a fairy tale club in your life is like keeping pacifier in your mouth. There are better things to keep in your mouth that are not a pacifier.
Anyone who would choose an imaginary space daddy who only rewards you when you are dead over a real human child is beyond stupid. They are cruel and against the very spirit of "God" The amount of death caused by religion is staggering.
"The amount of death caused by religion is staggering". Is that so? Give us some examples, please, and don't cite "medieval witch burnings", which has been Hollywood propaganda for years. How many people did the church kill? And let us compare that to the deaths in World War one, World war two, the civil war, the American revolutionary war, the Vietnam war, the war for New Mexico and Texas with Mexico, the Korean war, and the list goes on. Did religion have anything to do with these wars? So, give me some examples and let us see what numbers are "staggering". Where are the "staggering" numbers that religion has killed? Muslims were committing genocide against middle eastern Christians , who then sought help from the papacy. The response came to be known as the crusades. Not even a fraction of men were murdered compared to the astronomical number of men who died under secularism, do your homework.
As a teen, I wrestled with the Christian Conservative views and my bisexuality, and lust for other men. Today, I'm a proud, gender-blind lover. I faced and overcame depression anxiety and even dissociative moments within myself! It was pretty similar experience. I found out later I had support though!
i was Mormon and even tho I left, I still do the genealogy... most relatives were not Mormon, but I know about a dozen gay family members in my family tree... i love saying this as it simply shows it is genetic and it confounds the anti-gays.... LOLOL. imagine the inbread amish family tree.... definitely many gays and lesbians will be there, even if playing the silent game...
The Amish are not concerned about the sinfulness of outsiders. Amish law only applies to baptised members within the congregation, not to unbelievers outside the congregation.
I would like to write this for the gay men in the Amish community, and I hope that someone will read it. I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience within the Amish community. In the past, I’ve heard that they would shun their own if they didn't follow the community's way of life. The experience sounds like something I would never want to be a part of. I believe that the world is full of many different people with many different life experiences. Each one of us is unique, and I think it's important that we celebrate our differences. What you are feeling is completely normal and it’s understandable how being shunned by family could be devastating. While a lot of people see your situation as negative, I personally see it as an opportunity to build a fulfilling life free of constraints and negativity. I really can’t help but notice how much you truly do appreciate your family. Despite what they’ve done, I’d like to believe that they genuinely love you and are well-meaning. However, their attempts to convince you to abandon your individuality and conform to their way of life are a violation of who you are. I’m sorry that your family has not been more accepting of your identity.
The Amish in my area acknowledge same sex attraction. Men and women are required to be celibate.Women are school teachers. The men are bachelors. Their belief is love the sinner hate the sin.
Your making that up, because it's not what the Bible teaches. Read 1Corinthians 5:9-13 and 2Corinthians 6:14-18. That is what the Amish believe. Not this new age hippy dippy love the sinner hate the sin nonsense. You will note that the Amish both excommunicate and shun the sinner.
@aaronkingston3444 No I didn't make it up. I heard it right from community members. Having an attraction and not acting on those thoughts is not a sin. Since you're quoting the bible I must assume you consider yourself a Christian. By your own words you hate everyone in the world including yourself. We are ALL sinners. Jesus also told us to love our enemies, sinners included. I feel sorry for you. You must live a lonely life. May God Bless you
@user-vp4pv4wy7r you speak like a Calvinist. Everything Calvin taught goes against the Bible, such as declaring that we are all sinners. No sir, I am part of the redeemed, forgiven from my sin by the blood of Jesus. You too can be forgiven of your sin and stop being a sinner, once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. What words exactly were those that I used to indicate that I hate everyone including myself? Feel free to quote them.
To say the video is redundant is an understatement, but it caught my attention, as it was meant to do, and I only watched half of it. I respect the Amish and Mennonite peoples. I love their culture, and what shall be shall be, as says Doris Day. I don't see any big deal in this. Same sex attraction has always, and will always, exist among men and women, that is natural, but will vary if compulsion is part of one's desire where it can become a psychological quandary. I don't know much about this, but I believe a guy can feel attraction towards other guys and still love God, and our God shall be the judge, not other men and women. If one hurts others, then let us call out that wrong, but intimacy between two consenting adults is and must remain personal. This, however, was not the focus of my comment. I just wanted to say, where did they get these guys and girls to pose for this video, from a catalogue for models? Everyone is objectively good looking, and I don't believe they are real Amish, but just guys and girls posing for the camera.
Is about their faith, like any other religion the Bible does say homosexuality is a sin, and there’s no interpretation black and white, but God does gave to human being, freedom of choice 😊you can choose whatever you want, is up to God to judge us, we can’t judge anyone as humans only God, God sees everyone hearts 🥰 only he knows 😊
@Fenrir-cf5rt. That's what I thought. Everybody looks the same. Along with the bland narration, it really dilutes the information imparted, which isn't that valuable anyway.
Once again, religion separates people, as opposed to bringing them together. I have no use for Any religion. I realized when I was about seven years old that the god concept is something that man invented. I have always been atheist, and there is not a chance I would live any other way. I view religions as just a means to control the masses.
In other words no different from my own experience as a teenager in Scotland (UK) in the 1970s. Homosexuality was illegal and never mentioned, and for me the only way of knowing that I was not the only one was to look up the word "homosexual" in the dictionary. I was 34 when I first told another person that I was gay.
I left catholicism and became a baptist Christisn.We would renounce gays n homosexuality in church n go yo work and some of the same people would listen to what guy i liked.
I think the Amish are to strict. With their rules. On sex.what business is it of the community what one does behind close doors. I can understand if they were flaunting their sexual tennis in public but most of the gay men keep it them selves. I think a lot of the problem is women don’t like it and they are the majority of the law makers.
it'd be tough , my understanding is the person though it might hurt inside would likely do better on our side of the fence , though not helped by certain political leaders n so on over here neither
You don't seriously think those feelings of rejection apply only to the Amish, do you? While things may be different socially in 2025, I dare say 95% of all gay men and women face those exact same fears of isolation, ostracism, loss of family at some point during their lifetimes! There is a reason so many thousands remain in the closet, permanently.
Possibly because women, as in most fundamentalist, religious cults (yes, cults), are seen as the servants of men. Men are the masters of the family, and hold the society together. What women do themselves is really unimportant. A woman who finds other women sexually attractive shuts her mouth, marries whomever male her father approves of, and lets her man have his way with her. Much like as when the Amish began their religious cult in the 1500s. Another thing: domestic abuse (wife beating) is "handled" totally within the cult itself, no outside law intervention or reporting of such to the police. They are their own "police".
We are creatures of sex. How can Amish or any other people lie about their true sexual feelings? Such lies create miserable and less productive life. Assuming there is a 'God", that "God" put that sexual feeling inside us. Going against our true feeling must be considered a 'sin'.
Oddly enough, or perhaps not, but it is mainly scandals of a sexual nature that read about concerning priests. In my lifetime in my country I lived through two Bishops involved in scandals with married women and who stepped down, and a Cardinal who was seducing his seminarians. In the 1980's we had a cathedral priest administration arrested for indecency in a public lavatory, and many others in many places who were unable to resist their natural carnal needs despite vowing or promising a life of chastity.
This video keeps repeating the same thing over and over again. Instead of 9 minutes, it can be condensed to 3 minutes. Valid points, but not succinct and to the point.
Just another problem with religion in general. Another set of ways religion causes harm and dysfunction. Trying to warp real life into a fairy tale. We could do it the other way and make the fairy tales reflect real life. But where would the cruelty be in that?
Amish AI? Really? What's next? I'm sure it is a struggle for gay individuals within the Amish community but this video was too repetitive. How many times did the narrator have to say the same thing over and over in slightly different ways? Interesting topic but could have been presented better.
What wonderful Christian people they are. All those guys appear virtually identical. I think investigations should be made after all consanguinity is a sin and a crime.
Interesting. But very repetitive. With a little bit of editing you could have said everything in about 4 minutes. It discourages me from following you because i dont want to waste a ton of time watching other repetitive videos.
The narration is in English. Why are subtitles used? In this video the Amish men are very handsome. That has to be tough for an Amish Gay man. Why would they want to leave all those handsome men to associate with less than handsome men in the sinful outside world?
I once knew a gay Amish man. He left his religion and was infinitely happier. Like so many of us gay people, he found his family for himself outside the church.
Awesome for him, love it
Armistead Maupin talks about the "logical family" a family comprised of gay friends and the sometimes painful necessity to leave ones biologica family
Those are called Friends Jeff..
For many, the fear of the unknown keeps them imprisoned in the Amish community, and it's understandable since being Amish is all they know. But for the ones who take that risk and leave, they soon discover there is a whole another world outside of the Amish way of life.
@@scarpien Wise words indeed. The Amish way of life has a unique cultural charm, and it would be a shame to lose it. I can relate to anyone's pain who are forced to do so in order to let them lead a happy life. But the pain is more than worth the gain.
There are certainly enough gay Amish. Working around them in Iowa, I know this. So many gay married Amish men. Yet still get together in secret with others.
I left the Mormon church and never once looked back.
Just curious, do you still consider yourself Mormon? Or did you leave religious faith of any kind all together? I was raised Catholic, struggled mightily. First love i found ended up being Mormon, it was too difficult for him though. We split up and left me devastated.
I am sure there are! Just like any other. I would get my heart broke if I lived close to them again.
same here, me too!
Gay mormon meets gay Amish. And people don't think God has a sense of humor?
@@davidh9844 - Too bad that so many people lack a sense of humor. The funny thing is that when many of us who have left organized religion and church look at the teachings and philosophies of organized religion, we see it with much more clarity and better perspective than most others.
These are feeling NOT UNIQUE to Amish. I am gay and i went thru the SAME thing coming out, and i cannot live a lie. God made us and he doesn't make mistakes.
We're you born and raised amish??and in what state?.
Very well said
@@waynewayne2523 living a lie must be the worst thing
It is he who made us and not we ourselves
@@FrugalFuel the worst thing is being mothered to lie. it is no life, it is regretted existence.
Same here. I was raised Roman Catholic. In time, my parents and I reconciled, but they have never fully accepted me. I did find another faith and became a Hindu.
I wonder if deeply religious people ever regret the pain, fear, sadness and confusion that religious dogma causes?
I grew up in a devoutly Catholic family. But when I came out to them as a gay man, every single family member expressed their love and understanding to me. They were able to cherish their love of god without doubting their love of me, or mine for them.
Truly moral people, like truly patriotic people, do not swallow the senseless idea that genuine humanity only includes people who obey trivial, ancient mythologies, or people who will defend an unjustified war because a belligerent president demanded unthinking loyalty.
I love people who refuse to hate, and who keep truth as their North Star! You are the true adherents to the wisdom of prophets, and I salute your courage of conviction.
Well said!
Well said, I wish more people could spread love more. The world needs LOVE
Very well said indeed. Thank you for sharing. I agree with you completely and I salute you.
Grew Up Evangelical Canadian ... took my Parents 2 years... they came around... I was patient. Going back home over the Years for Funerals etc.... you can tell who the "real" Christians were... always bee-lined for me... open arms even when Im with Partner... and smiles and genuinely glad to see me... the others... stand off in a corner.. you can tell.
@@timothyj1966 So true. People who love the message of Jesus, or Moses or Mohammed are just and loving. But the messages of love and justice are lost on those who adore and obey Jesus, Mohammed or Moses themselves. Adoration and obedience are unthinking responses; justice and love actually improve the world.
This video is so redundant. How many times do you have to say the same thing over the course of an almost 10-minute video? Most organized religions seek to control their members, often alienating the very people who need our love, understanding, and acceptance the most.
I agree. I think it's a record for saying the same sentences in 50 different ways.
@@bobgappa3338 thanks for stopping by
It's so common among many on youtube.
I didn't get through it all!
Exactly ! Very redundant !
Many years ago, I went to a gay club in Lancaster PA. At midnight that club filled with Amish boys.
i hope they are all having good lives... maybe if the elders dont see them, they wont know about it...
I'm not all that convinced you are being 100% honest but perhaps are looking more to make an impression, am I right?
Lancaster PA has gay clubs?
@@DSmith-gs4tr I was surprised, I went to a straight club and ask the bartender and he told me where to go. And damn, it was there. Not a big place but hold 75-100.
@@ralphthorpe7564 maybe filled with Amish boys was an exaggeration but a good 10 or so.
Back in 2000 I met a Amish guy we were both 21 years old and we secretly met when we could an as time went on I started to fall in love with him but his family found out about us and I never saw him again it broke my heart I have always wondered what happened to him even to this day
He was probably unbaptized so not much would have happened to him, beyond a stern admonition that he would have to stop this if he wished to be baptized and join the community.
He is likely married with 7 kids.
Very sad to hear.
@@freddyhoyt1849 oh noo, I hope he managed to break free from it all and have the courage to be himself
I am surprised he wasn’t shunned? Or they gave him the ultimatum dump the guy or be shunned? I guess he loved his family more then you?
@@dhhenry7558 the unbaptized youth are not under church rules and are therefore not disciplined by the church, only by their parents. Which is why you will find Amish youth on rumspringa drinking, smoking, driving cars, going to bars and movies, and doing many other things that would get baptized members now under church rules, excommunicated and shunned.
But yes you are correct, like 85 - 95% of Old Order Amish youth, he chose church and family over an outsider and the world.
I don't know what the Amish think of it, but that thumbnail is insanely, attractive. Man, if Amish men look like this guy for real, then WOW, BIG TIME!!
Amish men don’t wear neatly shaven beards. They longer and not evenly trimmed
These guys look so similar they could be brothers. Probably inbred.
AI guy I think but hot !
@@craigroosa9321 : Indeed he is. Very lovely features.
Id like to meet one. Especially a hot married muscular guy
Having gone to college in a very heavily Amish area, there are a lot of gay or curious Amish men. Many would go to gay cruising areas and hook up with the college guys. The Amish don't talk about those kinds of things and there is a very big problem within their community with rape and incest due to the fact that they are not allowed to talk about those kinds of things.
They really need to figure out what to do
How to stretch 15 seconds into ten minutes: nice.
Also, if you enter “picture of Amish boy band” into an AI site, I bet many of those images will come up.
I was thinking, "Do all young Amish men look like models?" It's refreshing though, because gay characters in dramas are usually not the best-looking.
many years ago the Real World had Amish folks who were doing "rumspringa" where they leave to try outside life before deciding to be baptized. it was very fun to watch.
@peterc.1618 Having been around the Amish all of my life. No not all are model quality. Just like main stream society. Some are hot most are not.
It's not only religion ! so easy to blame religion.. It's always relating to community pressures. My mother was not a religious person, and never wanted to see me after she found out I was gay.. I am a very successful Architect and Engineer, and owned a large firm in NY.. My partner of 30 years and I adopted 2 babies, who are our life, and joy.. My dad loved me , my partner and our son's (now 26 and 27). Yet my dad was a Born again Christian.. His church always loved us. Our son's are intelligent, successful, are starting families and live within 2 miles from our home in North East Coastal Florida. We are love and accepted here in our community in Florida. BTW: We originally lived in a suburb of NYC, and those neighbors were not so welcoming...
@@joemancurreri6635 that's soo sad, she missed out in all those memories and beautiful moments, that she can never get back.
Guy, thank you so much for your comment. It was heartfelt, honest, and wakes - and shakes - people up. It's easy, guy, to always blame religion as, when we have emotional issues, we blame our parents. It is not always so, and an easy escape to point the finger and say "it is your fault that I feel bad". Good going for you, be happy, dude, and happy new year.
@@joemancurreri6635 What a great story! I'm so happy it worked out that way, in spite of all the ironies. You and your partner are great role models for other gay men --many of whom want kids but can't seem to figure out how to do that.
Ugh! This disturbs me so much! Everyone has the absolute right to live their true self no matter what situation or community they may be involved in.
Terrible that family would shun them away.🤬
I absolutely agree with you, it's heartbreaking
I pray that someday, even if its with the grandchildren of today's newborns, amish will accept gays. Making room for new things and beliefs. Even it means embracing changes of old opinions. Just as the world has been doing since the begining.
I pray never ever helps ...nobody is listening to you....
I hope that everyone who believes in any religion will become smarter and become able to think scientifically while understanding that there is no god that we need to try to please or pray to. Kindness, intellect, compassion, empathy and reasoning should prevail.
@@shawnlong4039 Yes--thank you, Shawn. Well said.
@shawnlong4039 Hello Handsome
@@shawnlong4039 Kindness, intellect, compassion, empathy and reasoning r all important things. But I believe in God. The real problem is ppl r putting their own opinionated beliefs into his words; and thus don't know what is truely his. Until the time comes to meet him. If there was no God, then there's no Heaven to reunite with all of our lost relatives and dear friends.
This is what religion do they separate humanity. And God doesn't like that God wants everybody together in peace and love.
As a gay man... My Partner and I have associated with More Straight people than Gay.. So many Gay men (and especially lesbians) live in a bubble... They live as Gay men all the time... that is not real life. My sexuality has no impact on my profession, politics, health, wellbeing, etc. We are 100% part of our community..
@@joemancurreri6635 I don't discriminate anybody on day myself but I'm going to tell you something I have more stray friends they have they have helped me in a lot of things that my gay friends actually my gay friends had turned her back on me defend me in any way they can.
I'm English but had an Amish "friend" if you can call it that. He wasn't allowed to associate with me or any of us. Rumspringa I guess is what it's called we had a great time. First time I experimented with another guy. It was wonderful and we had a great time. He committed to the church. I haven't seen him since. Over 20 years now. I still think of him and hope he is well.
I watched the video mainly out of curiosity. I kinda already knew the answer. I do sympathize with the difficult decision a gay Amish will have to make. On the other hand, I've spent my whole life moving away from people who wanted me to conform, even my own family.
It was common back in the 1950's for a priest to counsel a man confessing homosexual tendencies or actions to get married. It happened to a friend of mine. I have known of priests in Ireland who entered the priesthood because they were gay and did not want to be forced into getting married. My Portuguese friends told me the same about some gay men in Portugal who became priests or brothers to escape marriage.
My mother and step father were very judgmental and intolerant of homosexual men. My stepfather nearly had a heart attack when he was told that his brother had been arrested for indecency with another man and it was going to be in the local newspaper at the weekend. Off he goes to read the riot act to him for bringing disgrace on the family name only to find that he had packed up and gone. We never heard of him again and we were never allowed to mention his name. Some years later after my stepfather had died, my mother said that she had information that he had gone to live in Australia. She then said that if she thought that I was like him she would slit her wrists.
Wow, that's a LOT! People especially families need to be more accepting, no one would just "choose" this out of fun
Family can be very controlling and judgemental, people just need to spread and embrace love
The A.I. photos are not representative. Actual Amish do not have mustaches, do not wear bow ties or belts, or wear western style hats.
true, and they dont build churches, meet in their homes or barns...
Nor neatley trimmed beards on men that look like in a GQ Magazine. The videos said the same thing over and over again
The bow tie is still common for small Amish boys in Somerset Pa County the original home of most Western settlements. Holms Co Ohio grew out of the settlements here. The ties did not go west nor the use of a actual meeting house. Another thing that is odd with our Somerset Amish is they are concedered old order and fellowship with those communities inspite of using tractors for the past 90yrs. The Amish are a puzzle with in a puzzle but wonderful people.
I would think this is a personal struggle with in the family and even though Amish, would be different in each case . You would find the Mormons have similar issues and as most , leave the church eventually, albeit probably harder among Amish because their education is slightly behind the normal societal levels. It’s too bad they cannot find better means to speak and get counseling for this! Those that go outside the Amish community, hopefully meet a supportive and helpful gay person from which to decide what they should do for themselves . To have love is a basic need in life!
Gays are everywhere, in any people and societies. At all times, there were gays, rich or poor.
It is said that 5 to 7% of men are born gay.
Women is even higher.
why are you all so afraid to mention the "religion" that throws gays off roofs?
yes about Mormons, i had to leave to preserve my well being, that was even before the 1990s when they were pushing political anti gay stuff. i am much happier 30 years later. when they ask if i am coming back, I simply say Is it SAFE yet? No it is not.
Too repetitive!
Exactly.
Despite of religion and family values I wish the Amish would grant forgiveness to homosexuals and not shun or drive them out of their community.
Forgiveness is given to those who stop and sin no more. But for those who wish to continue in sin, excommunication is the answer to that. Forgiveness is not permission to live in sin.
I hear you, but we live in a very judgemental world 😢
Truth is we are all sinners, because we are humans
@@FrugalFuel judgement will always exist, even without religion, as it is a our primary survival ability. To know right from wrong, safe from unsafe, good from bad, acceptable from unacceptable, edible from inedible, healthy from unhealthy, truth from error, etc.
Without our inborn ability to be judgemental, or to use the more positive word discerning, we would be extinct as a species.
People will arrive at certain conclusions about things, be it lifestyle, politics, food choices, sexual activity and orientation, religion, etc. and form groups with likeminded people that exclude those who think differently from themselves. Driven by our survival instinct to gather with those who share our values, beliefs and world view.
The flocking instinct of safety in numbers causes us to form association groups, with those who have different values, beliefs and world views, seen as a primal threat to our safety and survival.
The stronger a group's self identify is, the more closed they will be to any ideas, beliefs or practices foreign to that of the group. For a group gives a sense of identity, of belonging, of safety, of protection to it's members. Thereby fulfilling our basic instincts for survival and self preservation.
Thus the Amish rejection of homosexuality, is much deeper than just a religious bias or quirk.
@@aaronkingston3444 You sound as though you are not gay and have never suffered the torment of a gay teenager!
Would love to have me a Amish, man
Where are you from?
What state? Age?
They look very sensual. Richmond VA 30 years old
Why people insist in repressing homosexuality when it’s just human nature
The Catholic Church calls it a disorder of human nature that must be resisted. The only option for such people is a life of chastity. In October 1986 the then prefect of the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH (formerly the Holy office of the Inquisition) Cardinal Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI published a letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the pastoral care of homosexual persons. There is some sympathy expressed in the letter but the bottom line is that homosexual acts are a grave sin and the only option for people thus afflicted is a life of chastity. I think you will find that most Othodox Jews and Muslims would share this view.
If an Amish man in midlife has to leave the community they are at risk of poverty if they become disabled or when they become too old to work for themselves. They may not earn enough or contribute long enough to social security out in the secular world.. Their only recourse would be welfare or food stamps. Even with social security and medicare life can be tough if you have contributed to it all your life. It is a scary prospect.
Shunning in any religion is an evil anti-Christian act of betrayal against the teachings of Christ
TRUE ! But have Christians acted with the true teachings of Christ ? And we all know that throughout history, Christians have always embraced all religions. They loved the Jews, the Native Americans, the Hindi, the Muslims, etc. Let’s have a reality check here.
Clearly you have not read 1Corinthians 5:9--13. Might as well read 2Corinthians 6:14-18, to get a better understanding on how Christians should live in the world.
@@f.stevenkijek6749 You go, brother. Christ taught his apostles that if a society did not accept them and the message of Christianity, they should turn their backs on that village, wipe the dust from their sandals, and never return again. Being Christian doesn't mean hating anyone is ok, but it also is not license to accept everything that makes one feel good.
I am an 82 year old gay Mennonite man. And have never been happier.
@@LarsCain-db1dr love it for you
It's definitely a lifelong struggle for many who are raised on a religious household. Amish or not, because of other expectations, many choose to live a lie by marrying and having children. In the process, all live miserable lives. That happened to my cousin a few others I know. I chose a different path by being truthful to myself.
@@GanyNobre Big up for being truthful to yourself
It was common back in the 1950's for a priest to counsel a man confessing homosexual tendencies or actions to get married. It happened to a friend of mine. I have known of priests in Ireland who entered the priesthood because they were gay and did not want to be forced into getting married. My Portuguese friends told me the same about some gay men in Portugal who became priests or brothers to escape marriage.
@@IslandHome-o5v
Sadly, some of them are exposed to young boys and their abuses are well known. I’m not singling out the priests as youth pastors at other Christians and Jewish faiths have committed the same crimes.
Our major religions have a very narrow knowledge of human sexuality and base it on biblical interpretations and misinterpretations. Jesus Christ in all his ministry never brought up the subject of sexuality. The Old Testatament brings it up especially in the book of Leviticus and beware what you read in the old testament. In the book of Joshua whole populations with their animals were annihilated because of the "promises " of God to Abraham. The old testament has too many inconsistencies. Sexuality is even misunderstood even in our modern times. No one chooses his or her sexuality it's controlled by our hormonal system. All of us have both male and female hormones, they sometimes overlap each other. To put the stain of sin on the backs of people with homosexual tendencies is cruel and dishonorable. Unfortunately religion sometimes makes us very narrowminded !!
The Bible says otherwise. Read Romans chapter 1.
That's what I say. Jesus never spoke about sexuality. In fact, he never married or had children, so who knows, right?
@@aaronkingston3444 The Bible says, NOT Jesus says. Don't believe everything you read. Especially if it isn't true.
@@coloradomntman2815 if it's in the Bible, it's from Jesus. Go read 2Timothy 3:16.
@@aaronkingston3444 I don't worship the Bible, I worship Jesus. If you were born gay and have a problem with your sexuality that is your problem to deal with. If not, worry about your own sins instead of trying to find sin in others. God bless you on your journey.
This really isn't different from the struggle most non Amish people deal with. There is a lack of understanding or a misunderstanding of what gay/lesbian means and where such sexual diversions stem from. There is plenty of judgement, punishment and shunning in our own culture. And most of this stems from what others believe to be biblical, Christian or righteous. The church, as a whole, may condemn it but it is doing little to understand it, offering unbiased counseling or empathy and caring. Many Amish and non Amish marry in order to comply but may live unhappy lives or commit adultery outside the marriage. They may treat their spouses with contempt because they feel isolated and forced into a marriage of convenience not love. Because acceptance by others is slow to build gay/lesbian persons of any faith, nationality or sect need to focus on forming communities where information, open conversations, building business connections and relationship guidance are focal and inclusive. I would love to help organize such an outreach.
So much for unconditional love.
Why does it seem like all of the newer videos like this are AI generated is this the future where humans no longer create content any longer?
Scarier still is the fact that most comments these days are also AI generated, especially the ones praising videos like this one for being so great and unique and inspiring, etc. There is a growing belief that the Internet as we knew it has long since died and the majority of it is now run by AI bots both posting and responding. I have no doubt this is absolutely true. I'm 52 and have seen the Internet being born, thrive, and now completely collapse into an utter AI-generated (or degenerated) wasteland. :(
God is perfect, God does not make mistakes. God created all people exactly how God wanted us to be. I can't imagine how parents could throw away their children as if they were garbage. That is the cruelest, evil, and sickest thing a family could do to their children. This situation is not unique to the Amish as it clearly extends to many people worldwide. Jesus never said anything about gay people who lived in Jesus' time.
I am so tired of documentaries being made in which no one actually talks to members of that community; to let the people actually speak for themselves.
Amish don't allow speaking out like that or being photographed.
Amish guys should find a girl who likes girls and find a boy he loves and then secretly hold their relationship
Love this 😂🤣
This is exactly what so many gay and lesbian actors in Hollywood did for decades (sham marriages) - and probably still do? How sad - it's 2024 and so many people are still ignorant and have no understanding of the real truth about human sexuality, often because of religious bigotry and blind allegiance to the 'word' of the cruel 'God' of the horrific Old Testament.
I'd like to hear the testimonies of Amish Gay Men
@@tedbohn4738 when you find them ready to share on camera, please let me know
Theres no hate quite like "christian" love.
I have read the fiction set of books "A forbidden rumspringa" which is about two Amish teenage men and their struggle with their homosexuallity and love for each other. It brought a lot out about the Amish community. I am a gay Christian and am out to the church I attend. Some in the church accept me for who I am others don't but thats their problem.
When I was 18 there was an author the wrote a book. His name was Justin Lee. He described that he got married to another man as a Christian man himself. I was never the same and 12 years later, I have reconciled my morals with my inner passions and decided I'm gender-blind.
He repeats the same thing over and over again we get the point.
My understanding is that the video is only monetized if it is a certain length.
I suspect this video was scripted by AI.
I am a Plain Friend. A Gay Friend is one who dresses in colors. I worked for Yearly Meeting and I would always say that I am a gay Friend who dresses as a plain friend. I'm totally out. I'm married to a man and we are supported in our Meeting.
i also usually like plain colors, i had Friends as ancestors, and i never wear a suit or tie...
The video keeps talking about the gay Amish individuals who stay because of their fear of losing their family, financial standing and 'close knit' community if they leave. But when this same 'community' punishes, ostracizes them for being who they are, what is close/tight knit about that?
I was rased in an evangelical, former roman catholic family. I've decided to have no religion at the age 16. Religion is a prision. I'm 50 y.o. now.
I hear you
so true. I was Mormon and found they tortured gays, so i left and was much happier... originally i went to a church that totally accepted everyone (MCC)... then later I found out that scriptures are fake and human made, so now i just do what is ethical and reasonable... my first change came as a teenager, rejecting the idea of going to war, which was ok then, i just served in hospitals and after that finished my college... later needed work, so returned to hospital work for 40 years and retired recently... life is good away from cults...
In our early 20s I met an x-Amish gay man, Eli Stutzman, and his pre-school son, Danny. Eli had left the Amish after his wife died in a barn fire.
He was mild mannered and kind to his son which seemed mutual.
An article in Readers Digest about the death of Danny caught my attention on a Dallas news show. Danny’s body was found and his body discarded in a midwestern cornfield. The locals didn’t know who the frozen boy’s body was so they called him “Little Boy Blue.”
Eli was in the news again after killing his gay lover outside of Austin.
There’s little doubt Eli was a serial killer of the people who loved him the most. After prison Eli died, I believe, from AIDS.
Gregg Olsen wrote an excellent and well researched book: Abandoned Prayers: An Incredible True Story of Murder, Obsession, and Amish Secrets (St. Martin's True Crime Library)
@@WillWood-c9f what a tragic story 😢
The Amish have no idea just how destructive their understanding of Leviticus is.
It's not just Leviticus. Have you read Romans chapter 1, or 1Corinthians cpt 5 & 6?
@@aaronkingston3444 No, beng Jewish I have not read those sections, nor do I think it would change the misunderstanding of the prohibition on same sex relationships. Here is the short version of the misunderstanding. Until 1869, there was no concept of homoseulity. Until then it was assumed every man was attracted to women. Wise people may have known better but for most there was no concept that for some, heterosexual relationship was impossible. Leviticus 18:22 should be read as "Thou (heterosexual man) shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination." It is heterosexual men who are prohibited from same sex relationships. These passages not apply to homosexual men. The idea that these passages should also apply to homosexuals is crazy. It destroys the life of a homosexual man. And the Bible is not meant to destroy lives.
That's the short version.
"Do you hear those noises coming from the Schwarzschmid barn? It sounds like Brother Jeremiah and Brother Jebediah are churning butter late in the day. Again. Why, they are good workers of the Lord indeed, aren't they. A good example for the flock."
very repetitive video. but it is sad that there's so little support for LGBT members of the community.
Its sad your so gullible, so easy to fool, you cant figure out that the world is full of suffering and injustice far worse than someones desire to rear end another yet you are more concerned for them??????
I am sad for people like that 😢 , being stuck between two worlds....
Be happy and stay with people who you love. I hope this community will see that is very important to see ather people happy ❤
Maybe one day.....🙏
The Amish basically are where the entire country was 50 years ago. At least they have the free choice to leave or stay & conform.
Who cares if someone’s gay gay is just gay. That doesn’t mean a gay person is any less of a human. People heavily judge people for being gay when they’re just born that way. There’s nothing wrong with being gay. Some of this religious stuff is way too controlling and patronizing.
They should just leave, live their lives the way they want!
@@rcac1023 I totally agree, I can't imagine having to suppress yourself your entire life
I didn't just dump religion, i also understand all religions are man made. Never shackle your life to nonsense that was made up by goat herders who probably herded a few goats when fairy tales were written down. Keeping a fairy tale club in your life is like keeping pacifier in your mouth. There are better things to keep in your mouth that are not a pacifier.
As Sportin' ' Life sang in 'Porgy and Bess'; - 'The things that you're liable to read in the Bible - it ain't necessarily so!' 🙂
amen amen
Anyone who would choose an imaginary space daddy who only rewards you when you are dead over a real human child is beyond stupid. They are cruel and against the very spirit of "God" The amount of death caused by religion is staggering.
Thats a great way of disgribing God as Space Daddy . iv'e never heard that before !
see my reply to robertwrede7843 above.
"The amount of death caused by religion is staggering". Is that so? Give us some examples, please, and don't cite "medieval witch burnings", which has been Hollywood propaganda for years. How many people did the church kill? And let us compare that to the deaths in World War one, World war two, the civil war, the American revolutionary war, the Vietnam war, the war for New Mexico and Texas with Mexico, the Korean war, and the list goes on. Did religion have anything to do with these wars? So, give me some examples and let us see what numbers are "staggering". Where are the "staggering" numbers that religion has killed? Muslims were committing genocide against middle eastern Christians , who then sought help from the papacy. The response came to be known as the crusades. Not even a fraction of men were murdered compared to the astronomical number of men who died under secularism, do your homework.
As a teen, I wrestled with the Christian Conservative views and my bisexuality, and lust for other men.
Today, I'm a proud, gender-blind lover. I faced and overcame depression anxiety and even dissociative moments within myself! It was pretty similar experience. I found out later I had support though!
The hypocrisy is overwhelming … of course there are gay Amish. Those repressing these feelings are living a lie and they know it.
i was Mormon and even tho I left, I still do the genealogy... most relatives were not Mormon, but I know about a dozen gay family members in my family tree... i love saying this as it simply shows it is genetic and it confounds the anti-gays.... LOLOL. imagine the inbread amish family tree.... definitely many gays and lesbians will be there, even if playing the silent game...
Yet, Scott Presler was able to register the Amish to the point they helped flip PA.
The Amish are not concerned about the sinfulness of outsiders. Amish law only applies to baptised members within the congregation, not to unbelievers outside the congregation.
I would like to write this for the gay men in the Amish community, and I hope that someone will read it.
I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience within the Amish community. In the past, I’ve heard that they would shun their own if they didn't follow the community's way of life. The experience sounds like something I would never want to be a part of. I believe that the world is full of many different people with many different life experiences. Each one of us is unique, and I think it's important that we celebrate our differences. What you are feeling is completely normal and it’s understandable how being shunned by family could be devastating. While a lot of people see your situation as negative, I personally see it as an opportunity to build a fulfilling life free of constraints and negativity. I really can’t help but notice how much you truly do appreciate your family. Despite what they’ve done, I’d like to believe that they genuinely love you and are well-meaning. However, their attempts to convince you to abandon your individuality and conform to their way of life are a violation of who you are. I’m sorry that your family has not been more accepting of your identity.
The Amish in my area acknowledge same sex attraction. Men and women are required to be celibate.Women are school teachers. The men are bachelors. Their belief is love the sinner hate the sin.
Your making that up, because it's not what the Bible teaches. Read 1Corinthians 5:9-13 and 2Corinthians 6:14-18. That is what the Amish believe. Not this new age hippy dippy love the sinner hate the sin nonsense. You will note that the Amish both excommunicate and shun the sinner.
@aaronkingston3444 No I didn't make it up. I heard it right from community members. Having an attraction and not acting on those thoughts is not a sin. Since you're quoting the bible I must assume you consider yourself a Christian. By your own words you hate everyone in the world including yourself. We are ALL sinners. Jesus also told us to love our enemies, sinners included. I feel sorry for you. You must live a lonely life. May God Bless you
@user-vp4pv4wy7r you speak like a Calvinist. Everything Calvin taught goes against the Bible, such as declaring that we are all sinners.
No sir, I am part of the redeemed, forgiven from my sin by the blood of Jesus. You too can be forgiven of your sin and stop being a sinner, once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
What words exactly were those that I used to indicate that I hate everyone including myself? Feel free to quote them.
so love the religioned, the perverted, hate the religions, the perverters.
Thank you for that AI generated film.
Your title page photograph is wrong, No mustaches!
To say the video is redundant is an understatement, but it caught my attention, as it was meant to do, and I only watched half of it. I respect the Amish and Mennonite peoples. I love their culture, and what shall be shall be, as says Doris Day. I don't see any big deal in this. Same sex attraction has always, and will always, exist among men and women, that is natural, but will vary if compulsion is part of one's desire where it can become a psychological quandary. I don't know much about this, but I believe a guy can feel attraction towards other guys and still love God, and our God shall be the judge, not other men and women. If one hurts others, then let us call out that wrong, but intimacy between two consenting adults is and must remain personal.
This, however, was not the focus of my comment. I just wanted to say, where did they get these guys and girls to pose for this video, from a catalogue for models? Everyone is objectively good looking, and I don't believe they are real Amish, but just guys and girls posing for the camera.
Almost all of us with Christian backgrounds can relate. I gratefully was able to leave Christianity and find happiness being a gay man.
There is not only Amish crazy religious believes exits about being gay, there's also cultural crazy trends in Armenian, Georgian and Russian.
i just generally think about the suffering of these men and women and it just makes me sad. no-one choses this and it feels so lonely. so sad.
Is this any different than how most of us grew up?
Good point, Most people really went through the most
Nothing about this type of ignorance, regarding homosexuality, is unique to the Amish.
Interesting topic. But the repeating of the same quotes and pictures are disturbing and take the concentration away. What a pity.
This video goes around in circles just to make it longer.
Is this whole video AI generated ? Weird pictures and unsubtle text. Is this the future of RUclips ?
Is about their faith, like any other religion the Bible does say homosexuality is a sin, and there’s no interpretation black and white, but God does gave to human being, freedom of choice 😊you can choose whatever you want, is up to God to judge us, we can’t judge anyone as humans only God, God sees everyone hearts 🥰 only he knows 😊
Too bad the still pictures are AI!..This takes away from any reputable attempt on this matter!!!
@Fenrir-cf5rt. That's what I thought. Everybody looks the same. Along with the bland narration, it really dilutes the information imparted, which isn't that valuable anyway.
Yes they are AI, didn't hide that anyone, also was not going to out any gay man on such a public platform. Thanks
Once again, religion separates people, as opposed to bringing them together. I have no use for Any religion. I realized when I was about seven years old that the god concept is something that man invented. I have always been atheist, and there is not a chance I would live any other way. I view religions as just a means to control the masses.
In other words no different from my own experience as a teenager in Scotland (UK) in the 1970s. Homosexuality was illegal and never mentioned, and for me the only way of knowing that I was not the only one was to look up the word "homosexual" in the dictionary. I was 34 when I first told another person that I was gay.
Were those pictures real amish or actors? Amish men arent clean shaven or have neatly trimmed beards.
Poor dudes they probably have no idea what's going on. I was raised Christian and I had no idea what gay was
I left catholicism and became a baptist Christisn.We would renounce gays n homosexuality in church n go yo work and some of the same people would listen to what guy i liked.
Maybe you should go back to the catholic church
How inappropriate to superimpose these banal, annoying electronic sounds over an article on Amish people! It makes the entire video appear fake.😊
Too much AI repeat repeat repeat
Awesome
I think the Amish are to strict. With their rules. On sex.what business is it of the community what one does behind close doors. I can understand if they were flaunting their sexual tennis in public but most of the gay men keep it them selves. I think a lot of the problem is women don’t like it and they are the majority of the law makers.
it is definitely a CULT
What about lesbians?
it'd be tough , my understanding is the person though it might hurt inside would likely do better on our side of the fence , though not helped by certain political leaders n so on over here neither
You don't seriously think those feelings of rejection apply only to the Amish, do you? While things may be different socially in 2025, I dare say 95% of all gay men and women face those exact same fears of isolation, ostracism, loss of family at some point during their lifetimes! There is a reason so many thousands remain in the closet, permanently.
I hate AI!
I assume that these are AI images that are supposed to stand in for gay Amish men and are not actual footage of gay Amish men. Very deceptive!
Plus, the Amish don’t have churches. They worship in homes. He blabbed on and on and really said nothing.
No, they are standing in, as you say, for the Amish in general. Where will anyone find gay Amish pictures?? 🙄
also they dont build churches, but Mennonites maybe do... some Mennonites are accepting of gays...
No real information. The Author kows nothing about the Amish.
they are some of the most kind and giving people in NY State ! the rest of the state population are despicable!
Nice 🙂
If you look like the Amish gay guy in the thumbnail, enjoyable things will happen! 👍😜
Why do people constantly talk only about gay men. Talk about the women for once .
Possibly because women, as in most fundamentalist, religious cults (yes, cults), are seen as the servants of men. Men are the masters of the family, and hold the society together. What women do themselves is really unimportant. A woman who finds other women sexually attractive shuts her mouth, marries whomever male her father approves of, and lets her man have his way with her. Much like as when the Amish began their religious cult in the 1500s. Another thing: domestic abuse (wife beating) is "handled" totally within the cult itself, no outside law intervention or reporting of such to the police. They are their own "police".
We are creatures of sex. How can Amish or any other people lie about their true sexual feelings? Such lies create miserable and less productive life. Assuming there is a 'God", that "God" put that sexual feeling inside us. Going against our true feeling must be considered a 'sin'.
Oddly enough, or perhaps not, but it is mainly scandals of a sexual nature that read about concerning priests. In my lifetime in my country I lived through two Bishops involved in scandals with married women and who stepped down, and a Cardinal who was seducing his seminarians. In the 1980's we had a cathedral priest administration arrested for indecency in a public lavatory, and many others in many places who were unable to resist their natural carnal needs despite vowing or promising a life of chastity.
This video keeps repeating the same thing over and over again. Instead of 9 minutes, it can be condensed to 3 minutes. Valid points, but not succinct and to the point.
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Thank you😍
Why do you use these horrible fake AI images ?
Try going to an Amish community and taking some pictures. Tell them that you're researching gay issues.
Where the hell would you get actual pictures of gay Amish men?
😂@@МиколаЧорнозем
Thank you, and I absolutely wouldn't want to our anyone on such a public platform
Nope, didn't want to out anyone, it wouldn't have been fair
Just another problem with religion in general. Another set of ways religion causes harm and dysfunction. Trying to warp real life into a fairy tale. We could do it the other way and make the fairy tales reflect real life. But where would the cruelty be in that?
Amish AI? Really? What's next? I'm sure it is a struggle for gay individuals within the Amish community but this video was too repetitive. How many times did the narrator have to say the same thing over and over in slightly different ways? Interesting topic but could have been presented better.
Please edit video scripts. Chat GPT creations are incredibly boring and repetitive.
How many times can you say the exact same thing ? No insight here at all.
it sounded like an AI presentation... robots didnt take logic or writing classes very well...
Talk about drawing the short straw. Being born gay and Amish. Oofda.
Wow they go through things like regular gays. Yaasssss
What wonderful Christian people they are. All those guys appear virtually identical. I think investigations should be made after all consanguinity is a sin and a crime.
Interesting. But very repetitive. With a little bit of editing you could have said everything in about 4 minutes. It discourages me from following you because i dont want to waste a ton of time watching other repetitive videos.
The narration is in English. Why are subtitles used? In this video the Amish men are very handsome. That has to be tough for an Amish Gay man. Why would they want to leave all those handsome men to associate with less than handsome men in the sinful outside world?
IT IS AI..GENERATED!
When you're deaf, subtitles are important
Subtitles help a lot my understanding. My native languagge is Portuguese. ❤
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