This is exactly why I still like the traditional way of developing sites in that you are relying on any single solution for your work. People who think coding is dead are short sighted.
I agree! No code is a convenience tool, not the future. But some people’s livelihoods rest on using them (and fair play) they just need to swallow the costs of that convenience.
@@webflowandcode oh I agree but if your livelihood depends on any one of these maybe it’s time to at least diversify your knowledge base. Any technology can be a preference but it can’t be all you can do. I started programming in Flash & in those days it was everything but nothing lasts forever.
@OneBrighDay you have to remember a huge demographic for these tools are designers. Many of them have little to no interest in learning how to code. My whole channel tries to help diversify but it’s a tough crowd. Trust me
Totally agree with you! Last year, Plans were already increased and only a small amount of people said something and now this. We must talk about these things and we need to be heard as a strong community this time because I think that Webflow is going against us.
I’m not categorically against price hikes. They are a business who need to operate and profit, I just think Webflow have put themselves is a tricky position for me to recommend them.
So.. looking for alternatives in some cases? I use Webflow for small business websites, love the UX and hassle free environment. But monthly costs do matter. Framer? Webstudio? Excellent video btw 👍
Thank you! Check out yesterday’s video. I think a lot of the sites built in Webflow can be achieved with other tools. Webflow is reserved for particularly special websites for me
@@seanwashere The moment I can copy paste designs from Webflow to Wordpress themes and not be worried about costly (sometimes crappy) subscribed plugins, than I’m all in 😎 Edit: found Udesly, thought they only did Shopify conversions 😅
Pricing for the Enterprise Lite Hosting + Compliance plan at **$15,000 per year**. Adding 14 locations to this plan costs **US$36,000 per year**. The Enterprise Design Control plan costs **US$1500 per year per location**. An additional 200,000 words on the Enterprise Design Control plan is charged at **US$1,000 per year**.
@@webflowandcode We've given up on Webflow a long time ago for many of the same reasons you mention and found success in Sveltekit + Strapi stack. I was also ready to say the Enterprise pricing is crazy then I thought at that level, as a medium to large company, it's not that bad. Considering you can get your internal marketers to launch campaigns themselves with WF Uni providing more than enough training to keep them going, not have to worry about infrastructure, not needing to bother the dev team to implement something, no need to be concerned about CI/CD pipelines, etc etc. Even one full-stack engineer on payroll costs more than hosting WF Enterprise. Is it really that crazy?
I heard from a earlier client whom considered going Enterprise that the pricing would be about 60.000 NOK (about 5.5K USD) a month. Cannot confirm this, but he mentioned it on a call
I think you are right regarding Webflow trying to push more users to Enterprise. I still love Webflow however and these bandwith changes has not really scared me (yet at least). The sites I have built is not even near the bandwidth restriction. Webflow has changed my career for the better. I am first and foremost a designer, Webflow has enables me to develop websites myself, really empowering my skillset!
Webflow's awesome for design, but man, it's kinda lacking in the backend department. So here's what I do: I split my process into two parts. First, I whip up a slick frontend in Webflow. Then, I use this secret tool (it's like Udesly, but way better) to hook it up to WordPress. Best of both worlds, you know? Funny story - I had this client who wanted everything done in Webflow. But then I tried to add a nested collection in the footer (just a simple dropdown with categories and stuff), and Webflow was like "Nope, can't do that in a component." Talk about annoying! 😤 WordPress, though? You can pretty much do whatever you want. No sweat. Anyway, that's my two cents. Cheers!
I don’t understand paying for Webflow just as a designer. Way too expensive. I’d rather learn another. Pinegrow and Bricks are my favourite for Wordpress
Let me know, do the new updates positively or negatively effect you or your clients?
This is exactly why I still like the traditional way of developing sites in that you are relying on any single solution for your work. People who think coding is dead are short sighted.
I agree! No code is a convenience tool, not the future. But some people’s livelihoods rest on using them (and fair play) they just need to swallow the costs of that convenience.
@@webflowandcode oh I agree but if your livelihood depends on any one of these maybe it’s time to at least diversify your knowledge base. Any technology can be a preference but it can’t be all you can do. I started programming in Flash & in those days it was everything but nothing lasts forever.
@OneBrighDay you have to remember a huge demographic for these tools are designers. Many of them have little to no interest in learning how to code. My whole channel tries to help diversify but it’s a tough crowd. Trust me
@@webflowandcode very true 😊
Totally agree with you!
Last year, Plans were already increased and only a small amount of people said something and now this.
We must talk about these things and we need to be heard as a strong community this time because I think that Webflow is going against us.
I’m not categorically against price hikes. They are a business who need to operate and profit, I just think Webflow have put themselves is a tricky position for me to recommend them.
"Surge protection" for "confidence in your pricing." I am always both impressed and aghast at the audacity of marketing people.
So.. looking for alternatives in some cases? I use Webflow for small business websites, love the UX and hassle free environment. But monthly costs do matter. Framer? Webstudio? Excellent video btw 👍
Thank you! Check out yesterday’s video. I think a lot of the sites built in Webflow can be achieved with other tools. Webflow is reserved for particularly special websites for me
wordpress is the best value still and most powerful
DivHunt seems really appealing right now.
@@seanwashere The moment I can copy paste designs from Webflow to Wordpress themes and not be worried about costly (sometimes crappy) subscribed plugins, than I’m all in 😎
Edit: found Udesly, thought they only did Shopify conversions 😅
What other solutions do you recommend
Pricing for the Enterprise Lite Hosting + Compliance plan at **$15,000 per year**.
Adding 14 locations to this plan costs **US$36,000 per year**.
The Enterprise Design Control plan costs **US$1500 per year per location**.
An additional 200,000 words on the Enterprise Design Control plan is charged at **US$1,000 per year**.
Crazy. Thanks for the clarification
@@webflowandcode We've given up on Webflow a long time ago for many of the same reasons you mention and found success in Sveltekit + Strapi stack. I was also ready to say the Enterprise pricing is crazy then I thought at that level, as a medium to large company, it's not that bad. Considering you can get your internal marketers to launch campaigns themselves with WF Uni providing more than enough training to keep them going, not have to worry about infrastructure, not needing to bother the dev team to implement something, no need to be concerned about CI/CD pipelines, etc etc. Even one full-stack engineer on payroll costs more than hosting WF Enterprise. Is it really that crazy?
Insane pricing, I know people running big "naughty" 🌶️ tube sites burning bandwidth like there's no tomorrow and they don't reach that "Lite" pricing
I heard from a earlier client whom considered going Enterprise that the pricing would be about 60.000 NOK (about 5.5K USD) a month.
Cannot confirm this, but he mentioned it on a call
Sounds like the prices are flexible. I’ve never been “that side” of billing but I can’t ever imagine spending that on a marketing site
I think you are right regarding Webflow trying to push more users to Enterprise.
I still love Webflow however and these bandwith changes has not really scared me (yet at least). The sites I have built is not even near the bandwidth restriction.
Webflow has changed my career for the better. I am first and foremost a designer, Webflow has enables me to develop websites myself, really empowering my skillset!
wordpress is the best value still and most powerful
But what builder tho?
With a few overheads. Maintenance is something Webflow takes care of
Webflow's awesome for design, but man, it's kinda lacking in the backend department. So here's what I do: I split my process into two parts. First, I whip up a slick frontend in Webflow. Then, I use this secret tool (it's like Udesly, but way better) to hook it up to WordPress. Best of both worlds, you know?
Funny story - I had this client who wanted everything done in Webflow. But then I tried to add a nested collection in the footer (just a simple dropdown with categories and stuff), and Webflow was like "Nope, can't do that in a component." Talk about annoying! 😤
WordPress, though? You can pretty much do whatever you want. No sweat.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Cheers!
What is that secret tool (like Udesly). I would be interested.
I don’t understand paying for Webflow just as a designer. Way too expensive. I’d rather learn another. Pinegrow and Bricks are my favourite for Wordpress
And why exactly is it secret?
Bandwidth hasn't cost anything in 15yo and Webflow reduces their limits 😂 What is this ... 2006???
$49 for 100GB of bandwidth 😂🤣🤣🤣
So glad I went with Framer - webflow is now unaffordable 💢😡
It’s getting pretty difficult to justify for a basic marketing website for sure
I also moved to Framer after using Webflow for 6 years.
Not sure Framer's bandwidth limitations are any more generous.
ohh wait till framer does this, it already has some weird pricings :)