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Hey brother, your video was really good as they all are but as a Combat Engineer of over 20 years you have under represented the usage of the "combat engineer" in the last part of your video. When the unit assaulted the bunker the combat engineer would be the first to the wire with covering fire from the tanks and infantry, after creating the holes in the wire and possibly other booby traps the engineers would then utilize the demolitions they brought with them to destroy the bunker(if any engineers were left). After the engineers are done or have no assets left to contribute they get absorbed back in as the battle goes on. Being that combat engineers are like a glorified heavy infantry weapons wise. These tactics for engineers are borne out of the lessons of WW1 on both sides when dealing with complex obstacle assaults. Nobody would lay one row of wire and even modern tanks and such will bog down quiet quickly in multi wire obstacles. Infantry can and do better but can also be seriously hindered by even the most simple wire obstacle systems.
Falls es mal wieder Tassen geben sollte... bitte aus amtlichen Emaille, die Keramiktasse mit meinem schönen Panther hat den Blitzkrieg in der Kantine nicht überlebt.
Das war für mich als Laien ganz ordentlich; Aber die Aussprache des Panzers, der ja auf Englisch "tank" heißt, sollte dann auch Deutsch bleiben. Panzer. nicht Penntser.
Thanks for the tips against pill boxes. I can finally take out that obnoxious pillbox obstructing my way to class instead of waking up early and taking a detour.
Yeah pretty much. That's still sorta the doctrine for armor forces today. Well 'combined arms' actions at least. You've still got some out there who use independent armor and infantry units. God help 'em.
@Rifleman Well then of course look at how dictator's tend to operate and you'll notice they often deliberately keep their military operating inefficiently so they tend to keep too independent unit types.
Thanks so much for this!!! Literally 5 minutes after I finished watching I ran into a French pillbox on my way to the office. Without this video who knows what could have happened!!
Please keep making more tactics videos. It's a sight for sore eyes. Rarely do I get to find elaborate descriptions of what tactics were used in military history, and this channel is the only place I could go for learning tactics.
This is immensely useful for Graviteam Tactics: Mius Front players. I've never incorporated caterpillar movement before, nor have I used artillery fire to cover the flanks of an attack with smoke/fire (both of which seem obvious to me now >.
@@randall172 Germans achieved the largest encirclement in warfare history, even to this day, by surrounding the entirety of the Southwestern Front of the Soviets in the Battle of Kiev. It worked but it can't work forever.
If CoH is a company-level operation then imagine the off-map artillery as battalion or brigade-level artillery you can only call it on targets you can see. Though I would love to have harassing fire blindy into the unknown.
can't tell you enough how much I enjoy this series of tactics videos!! I'm finally able to make some progress in the graviteam games now :) Please make more!
Well, pretty much everything covered is what we used to game exhaustively in "Squad Leader" back when I was an Inf. NCO 40 years ago. Except we were doing it on the defensive side as at the time it was expected we'd be defending West Germany against a Soviet assault. The key was attrition and flexibility. By 1943 the Russians had it perfected by the time Kursk rolled around. In the Northern attack Model led with his armor (granted Wehrmacht trained infantry was as rare as gold by then) and saw very little success. In the South Manstein tried breaking in with infantry VERY closely followed by armor; he did a little better until he ran out of infantry. The KEY to defeating a Combined Arms Attack is to "un-combine" it. And the easiest way to do that is to strip out the attacking infantry. You don't have to actually kill the infantry; just force them to cover using pre-plotted arty, or even grazing fire frrom machine guns along pre-sited lanes of fire. Tanks are gonna do tanky things and they only work well with organic infantry they trained with a LONG time. It takes one about 5 seconds flat to completely out run covering infantry; in 10 seconds they're 300 meters ahead; in 30 seconds they're out of sight. It's just their nature to wanna go find and kill other tanks. That's why Wehrmacht Inf units preferred assault guns in support; not least because they were manned by artillery branch personnel. NOT PanzerTruppen. IF, and it's a BIG IF; you have the resources... Then the first 2 defensive zones 1-5 kilometers should be penetrated by "assault infantry", only then should the tanks and mech infantry be committed. Another informative video.
This also worked for the Americans at Bastogne. German armour broke into the perimeter, but the accompanying infantry was stop at the perimeter, thus the tanks were shot to bits by artillery, tank destroyers and infantry with at weapons.
@@hauptmanndosman World of Tanks sponsors an old armor officer who does really great reviews of various tanks. This channel recently referred to him on a T-34 presentation. One of the things he checks is each tanks "visibility" for the crew when buttoned up... Even in modern tanks it ALWAYS SUCKS. SSSOOO.. you call in arty, the tank commander buttons up and immediately hits the gas to get out of "the beaten zone"... leaving the infantry behind. The infantry immediately scatters trying to find a hole to crawl into. Even a few shells will work everytime. The attack bogs/breaks down. Your guns displace, you fall back a klick or two.. Lather, rinse, repeat.. Of course you and your guys gotta be well trained AND KEEP YOUR NERVE. Easier said than done.. but it can be done. On the Eastern Front Russian offensive opening artillery barrages were God's own hammer. BUT they were fairly inflexible once they fired their pre-planned schedules. On the Western front the Germans HATED American artillery because any Lieutenant w a radio could n would call it in instantly. And depending on the target he'd get it coming in all the way up to Corps level. Once the proximity fused shells were available, airbursts just annihilated German infantry in the open. In the Ardennes 3 SS Panzer Grenadier divisions were gutted attacking the high ground around Elsenborn Ridge.
Ob's stürmt oder schneit, Ob die Sonne uns lacht, Der Tag glühend heiß Oder eiskalt die Nacht. Bestaubt sind die Gesichter, Doch froh ist unser Sinn, Ist unser Sinn; Es braust unser Panzer Im Sturmwind dahin. :D
I like these tactics videos a lot, helps me create more realistic scenarios in Men of War! Could you do one on german smaller unit tactics late war? How they would execute a local counterattack with platoon or company strength of mixed quality, perhaps supported by a Stug?
0:49 In the end it always comes down to the infantryman and his rifle. 6:36 You'd need a lot of artillery if positions are dispersed. But such dispersion means a weaker front.
Yes, but that tactic became more and more obsolete as many of the late war tanks possessed very good self-immolation capabilities, allowing the crew to abandon the tank even more quickly and efficiently.
@BlackDeathViral03 You've got something fundamentally wrong boy. The electric motors would overheat, the wire insulation would melt and cause shortages, wich un turn would cause a fire ;D. Think of it as trying to drill a hole with a battery drill that got stuck. That thing has not enough torque to overcome the friction, pulls to much current because of the stand still, overheats due to no cooling of the cooling blades and you'll see the magic smoke coming out og it ;D.
Two questions: 1) how well does the intended/doctrinal artillery use in these operations line up with reality? It seems like a lot of tubes and guns are meant to support what is a very small fraction of the division at any one time so I'm curious how often the commander would have access to the perfect storm of enough guns, enough ammo, enough artillery spotters/safe positions to deploy mortars, and enough time to get the shells on target. 2) Would tank commander actually ram artillery pieces to destroy them or is that just what they were meant to do according to doctrine? Seems like a brilliant way to throw a track or otherwise get bogged.
Very interesting! I was surprised by the prominent role of smokescreens via artillery. Have you seen any anecdotal reference on how much smoke vs HE rounds were used by artillery (eg expended or supplied rounds, any nation and caliber >60mm)?
Do you know if British or Soviet or American doctrines were much different than this?
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TheLoyalOfficer US - Advance on wide front, focus on enemy strong points. Redirect more and more reinforcements and support untill they break. Oposite to german tactic that is all about bypassing strong points. Soviet - Arty and tank spam. Britts - Discipline and stiff upper lip.
At first, no, that's what allowed Rommel to not die in Africa in three seconds, but around in early 1942 British actually surpassed Germany in terms of doctrines.
Mechanized units are fairly unique, still, to this day. I enjoy the dialect. I listened to this when I was in the kitchen. By the time I made it back to this position, you had closed. I might watch it again, later. I know you worked on this, and I enjoy it. Maybe, you could program some good Wehrmacht stuff for wargamers? They are looking for experts.
I understand this is an optimal scenario, but were smoke rounds all that plentiful? In all the wargaming I've done I'd love to smoke every possible enemy position before wading into battle, but there never seems to be that much to call on. And how many panzers are you attacking with? You show 4 here, but that looks like alot to take on for a single platoon. Is this a company sized action? Love your videos. I'm really enjoying them since discovering you a couple months ago. [Thumbs Up]
I agree. That's a lot of smoke for just one platoon of tanks and infantry each. Then again, this all probably comes from a manual, where often only the optimal scenario is described. I don't think that, especially by the late war, Germany could afford to spend that many shells on a single position.
Very informative has the Wehrmacht tactics for the early years defeated all opposition. Indeed, the greatest flattery to these tactics was the establishment of the Tank Destroyer branch by the American Army has a tactical means to overcome them. However, from around October 1942, it all went a bit pear shaped has the Allies learnt methods to defeat these systems, with first at Stalingrad and El Alamein. August 8 1944 is a good example, the eight Tigers led by Wittmann typically using the leapfrog approach in open country could be considered as one of the most, experienced German units in the theatre at the time. Despite this or because of it with the application of this tactical leadership, they were defeated in 12 minutes due to the effective application of Allied armour warfare tactics. Described has the inexorable dynamic application of materialschlacht where the overall Allied numerical superiority would eventually succeed - through simple attrition. Put simply the German Army was always guaranteed to counterattacked, the Allies had learnt the tactics to defeat them.
Alexander Challis yes 7th Royal Armoured Regiment at Arris. The latest modern revisionist Historians, have higher opinions of Montgomery and his men abilities of the execution and prosecution of war than those of the last century as more classified information is released. Though, he did bring down a lot on himself through his attitudes. In the cold light of day many of his statements for the execution of war in the European Theatre, have subsequently been proven correct. Importantly, he and his generals executed war at the lowest human cost to his men. Indeed, he was highly rated by a number of German Generals, often quoted has the only Field Marshal who never lost a battle.
Both battles (Stalingrad and El Alamein) were battles of wear were that the Germans couldn´t afford because of their inferiority in all sort of means of battle (men, tanks, fuel, artillery, air support) which played a nasty roll against them. The battle of Stalingrad should never had been fought because the 6th army was not designed for urban battle in close range against an army which outnumber them, especially in men power (fitted for that sort of combat). In El Alamein Montgomery (a conservative general) piled such a quantity of material that outnumberd Rommen in a rate of about 6:1. Besides, Rommel had no fuel to fight a mobile combat and, utmost, Hitler prohibited him to withdraw, which was imperative to reduce casualties and to save the Afrika Korps.
Excellent information. Remind me of the movie Fury's initial battle scene to take on a German anti-tank position, who did exactly the opposite. Frontal attack in a straight line of formation, just shoot anything that fire back.
The use of combined arms was the great strength of the German Army in WW2. The techinical ability to co-ordinate infantry, artillery, and armour using radios. This was something adopted by the US?UK/USSR after the war.
GunboatDiplomat very few historians know about medieval combat since most useful records are gone. Lindy is a line of hands on, practical historian who actually try out what he finds before accepting it as truth. I respect him for that. But he either did not do too much research or is biased when it comes to WW2.
It's funny that the movement drills used by tanks that you talked about, the Caterpillar and leapfrog techniques are infantry tactics. I learned those exact same drills in basic training. I'm an engineer so I dont know what tactics tank platoons use but a lot of the stuff you talked about is used by the infantry and during infantry assaults
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How would the caterpillar type movement work? I understand the moving unit moves to a similar line as the firing unit, but how would they advance further than that? Wouldn't you have to intermittently switch to leapfrog movement?
Would be nice if you did another one that contrasts this 1940 doctrine with later in the war when they would have StuGs to support the infantry attack on the pillbox.
Are caterpillar-like and leapfrog movements because they couldn't aim properly while moving? The guns not stabilized like in modern tanks or something?
yes, and its generally a good idea to have one element providing cover fire while the other element moves up. I believe this is also the case for infantry movement.
@@chang.stanley Well,gun stabilizer wasn't really that simple to design.One of few tanks that had it was M4 Sherman, and it only allowed for slow speed movement at best, although it only allowed for tank to not have to wait for gun to stabilize after short stop (most had to wait few seconds to wiggle out, and those could be critical seconds).
I searched quite a while for that, but never found a "written answer". Medium (Pz IV) 1941 were 4 tanks, Light (Pz III), where 5. Later Medium Pz IV long hat 5 tanks. Heavy (Tiger) had 4.
Hi MHV! Japan made first underwater aircraft carrier called i-400 submarine .it could carry only 3 seaplanes. It sound good and stealthy but i didn't understand what kind of mission they could do with those 3 planes. it couldn't attack battleship or couldn't do any pearl harbour. couldn't attack Panama canal as it was heavily guarded with AA guns (don't forget proximity fuses😉). that submarine came late but even if it came in early 1942 what it could do? bio warfare ? most likely those 3 plane so.
yes...biowarfare... the weatherballoons with firebombs from Japan did little damage..but at least it reached the USA. Then.1 year later the bio/germs development was better and a small plane at least could target specifically a densely populated area...but avoiding flak or military complexes in/near a city. But the sub with airplanes was not DESIGNED for this purpose..the idea was to have the 3 waterplanes for better and further scouting..if need be attack a SINGLE enemy destroyer (of the known old obsolete type of
I'm no expert, but how about building more "subcarriers"? One with 3 planes is like a drop on the hot stone, but 10 of those subs and you've got 30 planes.
Not in the air as his aircraft could get shot down,so on the ground,with accurate maps,good communication lines,his subordinate officers constantly close to the telephone line and informing him of the progress of operation at regular intervals and always informed about condition of his troops.
The real question is what type of co-ordination you require. The Germans would often use observers in light observation aircraft to acquire targets and call down air support. If you want a ground based observer to call down air support, the Germans normally placed Luftwaffe observers at divisional or regimental HQ level. In Spain they went down to battalion level, but for some reason rarely did this in WW2. I am uncertain why. The ground troops would call their regimental/divisional HQ, though their battalion HQ, and request air support. The request would go to the Luftwaffe observers who would assign priorities and call down air support. The targeting was not as specific as calling down fire support from artillery, I expect because it was expected the pilot would do the final target selection. The timing was rather variable. The Germans sometimes used cab rank, which was aircraft circling round in the rear waiting for a command to attack, but this was normally controlled by Luftwaffe observers directing calling down air support. As a result a ground request for air support could take a while to arrive. The other type was pre-planned air support, such as occurred at Sedan in 1940. This was normally planned well before the attack and any fine tuning as done at divisional level before the attack began. I think from memory the original plan was a single large air attack, but at the last minute the ground commander requested a constant stream of attacks over an 8 hour period. Regardless, this was done well before the actual battle occurred. The British and US had a superior air support doctrine by late 1944, with the British placing observers in the front line to call down cab rank aircraft as required. The US normally liked using observers in aircraft to call down air support, but as US pilots normally did not like waiting round for a call to strike, the cab rank was often not as responsive.
2nd Treffen focuses on Bren Guns. As we were tought by Lindy these were the best Lmg´s of the world and they could easily take out Tiger tanks. So better watch out. :-)
Speaking of armour, yes. But the point is that the tank would move so fast that the gun could not rotate with the lateral movement of the target. Thus guns could not even engage the tank. Especially with the howitzers slight adjustments are possible, but larger movements require rotating the entire, very heavy, carriage.
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the historians here in CGSC Fort Leavenworth found your videos very interesting. They liked your voice pacing.
Hey brother, your video was really good as they all are but as a Combat Engineer of over 20 years you have under represented the usage of the "combat engineer" in the last part of your video. When the unit assaulted the bunker the combat engineer would be the first to the wire with covering fire from the tanks and infantry, after creating the holes in the wire and possibly other booby traps the engineers would then utilize the demolitions they brought with them to destroy the bunker(if any engineers were left). After the engineers are done or have no assets left to contribute they get absorbed back in as the battle goes on. Being that combat engineers are like a glorified heavy infantry weapons wise. These tactics for engineers are borne out of the lessons of WW1 on both sides when dealing with complex obstacle assaults. Nobody would lay one row of wire and even modern tanks and such will bog down quiet quickly in multi wire obstacles. Infantry can and do better but can also be seriously hindered by even the most simple wire obstacle systems.
Arent you German ? Why cant you make at least a few German videos ? Maybe you ahve please show me then :D
Falls es mal wieder Tassen geben sollte... bitte aus amtlichen Emaille, die Keramiktasse mit meinem schönen Panther hat den Blitzkrieg in der Kantine nicht überlebt.
Das war für mich als Laien ganz ordentlich; Aber die Aussprache des Panzers, der ja auf Englisch "tank" heißt, sollte dann auch Deutsch bleiben. Panzer. nicht Penntser.
Thanks for the tips against pill boxes. I can finally take out that obnoxious pillbox obstructing my way to class instead of waking up early and taking a detour.
it is actually useful info if you live in albania
@@alany3805 Aren't there a bunch of pillboxes left over from Communist times there?
@@seanshin1615 Like... a bunker for each family. Enver Hoxha spent all the budget on building bunkers everywhere.
Podemos URSS so jealous, i dream of a bunker.
splo1nger not that hard to build
So the short list is:
-Do it for the infantry
-Do it with the infantry
-Screw the infantry
Yeah pretty much. That's still sorta the doctrine for armor forces today. Well 'combined arms' actions at least. You've still got some out there who use independent armor and infantry units. God help 'em.
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@Rifleman Well then of course look at how dictator's tend to operate and you'll notice they often deliberately keep their military operating inefficiently so they tend to keep too independent unit types.
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Thanks so much for this!!! Literally 5 minutes after I finished watching I ran into a French pillbox on my way to the office. Without this video who knows what could have happened!!
Please keep making more tactics videos. It's a sight for sore eyes. Rarely do I get to find elaborate descriptions of what tactics were used in military history, and this channel is the only place I could go for learning tactics.
"I don''t feel suppressed" =)
From the Von Halen hit “Hot for Panzer”
German army was represented by men's bathroom signs
Pinkelpause is a very important pre-op duty.
That's your imagination, because you only think about dic*s!
I would've crap't seeing Germans coming. .
@@orgami100 ja
BFV fans are gonna be salty.
Hooray, I am mentioned...
Thanks for the video.
Wait you are subscribed to Wang Gang? Do you come from China per chance?
@@fryingpancakes8445 Yes.
@@torbai Nice :D
This is immensely useful for Graviteam Tactics: Mius Front players. I've never incorporated caterpillar movement before, nor have I used artillery fire to cover the flanks of an attack with smoke/fire (both of which seem obvious to me now >.
Had never heard of that game, time to try it :)
good comment
How have i never heard of this game, its 100% my kinda game. Thank you ;_;
This is exactly the type of thing I had in mind while watching this video. Graviteam, and Steel Division.
ikr this is most usefull in Graviteam Tactics: Mius Front
90% of panzer tactics: Drive around them, then make them surrender.
Worked in France
Didn’t work in the SU, too far to far to drive.
Not in Britain.
Or the USSR.
Or Amerika...
@@DZ-1987 it worked quite well in Russia. Supply lines are a mother fucker though.
@@randall172 Germans achieved the largest encirclement in warfare history, even to this day, by surrounding the entirety of the Southwestern Front of the Soviets in the Battle of Kiev. It worked but it can't work forever.
At 4:27 you put "50cm PaK 38". That's gonna hurt a T34...
Martin Kirk The PaK 38 showed itself fully capable to take out a t34 within medium to close range.
Kaaaaarl, this hurts T-34s!
I was just about to point that out!
Who needs superheavy mortars when you got a 500mm PaK?!
@Markiplier777 the point of the post was the typo. He put CM instead of MM. So a 500mm pak 38.
That's a half metre gun, like something out of 40k, and you know they'd put it on a tank the same size too.
Company of Heroes player here, can confirm. Would very much like to suppress off map arty.
The feels
arty makes it more realistic
If CoH is a company-level operation then imagine the off-map artillery as battalion or brigade-level artillery you can only call it on targets you can see. Though I would love to have harassing fire blindy into the unknown.
a fight conducted on company level can find themselves have the ability to own 240mm heavy pounding, or even railway artillery....
Would also love to suppress V1 and firestorms, everything else you can live with
Thanks!
Thank you!
can't tell you enough how much I enjoy this series of tactics videos!! I'm finally able to make some progress in the graviteam games now :) Please make more!
You've been rolling out your best ever work these past few weeks!!
Excellent very educational these pesky pillboxes have been making me late for work all week!!
More tactics videos please! So Gooooood!
Great vid again still not running out of ideas!
Another awesome video, keep em coming!
Well, pretty much everything covered is what we used to game exhaustively in "Squad Leader" back when I was an Inf. NCO 40 years ago. Except we were doing it on the defensive side as at the time it was expected we'd be defending West Germany against a Soviet assault. The key was attrition and flexibility. By 1943 the Russians had it perfected by the time Kursk rolled around. In the Northern attack Model led with his armor (granted Wehrmacht trained infantry was as rare as gold by then) and saw very little success. In the South Manstein tried breaking in with infantry VERY closely followed by armor; he did a little better until he ran out of infantry. The KEY to defeating a Combined Arms Attack is to "un-combine" it. And the easiest way to do that is to strip out the attacking infantry. You don't have to actually kill the infantry; just force them to cover using pre-plotted arty, or even grazing fire frrom machine guns along pre-sited lanes of fire. Tanks are gonna do tanky things and they only work well with organic infantry they trained with a LONG time. It takes one about 5 seconds flat to completely out run covering infantry; in 10 seconds they're 300 meters ahead; in 30 seconds they're out of sight. It's just their nature to wanna go find and kill other tanks. That's why Wehrmacht Inf units preferred assault guns in support; not least because they were manned by artillery branch personnel. NOT PanzerTruppen. IF, and it's a BIG IF; you have the resources... Then the first 2 defensive zones 1-5 kilometers should be penetrated by "assault infantry", only then should the tanks and mech infantry be committed. Another informative video.
This also worked for the Americans at Bastogne. German armour broke into the perimeter, but the accompanying infantry was stop at the perimeter, thus the tanks were shot to bits by artillery, tank destroyers and infantry with at weapons.
Awesome reply
@@hauptmanndosman World of Tanks sponsors an old armor officer who does really great reviews of various tanks. This channel recently referred to him on a T-34 presentation. One of the things he checks is each tanks "visibility" for the crew when buttoned up... Even in modern tanks it ALWAYS SUCKS. SSSOOO.. you call in arty, the tank commander buttons up and immediately hits the gas to get out of "the beaten zone"... leaving the infantry behind. The infantry immediately scatters trying to find a hole to crawl into. Even a few shells will work everytime. The attack bogs/breaks down. Your guns displace, you fall back a klick or two.. Lather, rinse, repeat.. Of course you and your guys gotta be well trained AND KEEP YOUR NERVE. Easier said than done.. but it can be done.
On the Eastern Front Russian offensive opening artillery barrages were God's own hammer. BUT they were fairly inflexible once they fired their pre-planned schedules. On the Western front the Germans HATED American artillery because any Lieutenant w a radio could n would call it in instantly. And depending on the target he'd get it coming in all the way up to Corps level. Once the proximity fused shells were available, airbursts just annihilated German infantry in the open. In the Ardennes 3 SS Panzer Grenadier divisions were gutted attacking the high ground around Elsenborn Ridge.
Wow, hi mate. I played Squad Leader for many years. I've still got all the stuff. Hill 621 forever!
@@MrArtbv the book was titled "No silent night, the Christmas battle for bastogne"
I use these tatics videos to help me with my games and love learning about this kind of stuff appreciate the content man
Ob's stürmt oder schneit,
Ob die Sonne uns lacht,
Der Tag glühend heiß
Oder eiskalt die Nacht.
Bestaubt sind die Gesichter,
Doch froh ist unser Sinn,
Ist unser Sinn;
Es braust unser Panzer
Im Sturmwind dahin. :D
Louder!
Meine Ehre, heißt Treue!
The other version is much longer lmao, if ur willing to yell the whole thing
Something about beer, night sausages, and tanks?
@@neilwilson5785 More like bout yellow sands and dying for the fatherland
1:46 I see that lindybiege reference... You ain't sly
what is the reference
@@seanrae3544 go watch the video about the bren and the "spandau"
Excellent work on the documentary
i really wish i had a better time understanding his accent, he makes such good videos with really good info
I like these tactics videos a lot, helps me create more realistic scenarios in Men of War! Could you do one on german smaller unit tactics late war? How they would execute a local counterattack with platoon or company strength of mixed quality, perhaps supported by a Stug?
I just found your channel and loving your videos so far!
0:49 In the end it always comes down to the infantryman and his rifle.
6:36 You'd need a lot of artillery if positions are dispersed. But such dispersion means a weaker front.
Super Folge wieder einmal!
I thought the main German Panzer tactic of ww2 was to remember to grenade the interior of the tank when you bail out from lack of fuel?
Yes, but that tactic became more and more obsolete as many of the late war tanks possessed very good self-immolation capabilities, allowing the crew to abandon the tank even more quickly and efficiently.
@@brotlowskyrgseg1018
As quick as the bad positioned escape hatches allowed ;D.
@BlackDeathViral03
You've got something fundamentally wrong boy. The electric motors would overheat, the wire insulation would melt and cause shortages, wich un turn would cause a fire ;D. Think of it as
trying to drill a hole with a battery drill that got stuck. That thing has not enough torque to overcome the friction, pulls to much current because of the stand still, overheats due to no cooling of the cooling blades and you'll see the magic smoke coming out og it ;D.
Wie immer ein sehr interessantes Video
Two questions: 1) how well does the intended/doctrinal artillery use in these operations line up with reality? It seems like a lot of tubes and guns are meant to support what is a very small fraction of the division at any one time so I'm curious how often the commander would have access to the perfect storm of enough guns, enough ammo, enough artillery spotters/safe positions to deploy mortars, and enough time to get the shells on target. 2) Would tank commander actually ram artillery pieces to destroy them or is that just what they were meant to do according to doctrine? Seems like a brilliant way to throw a track or otherwise get bogged.
The Germans were masters in administering scarce resources.
Is Fritz dating the daughter of that surrendered French general?
Frits's mother is dating a french soldier in berlin 1945 ;)
macfly72 more like raped by Ivan XD
Must've raped Ivan's daughter then
This Video is really Offensive!
I find described tactic offensive.
These videos are great. I would also really like to see similar videos about the divisional level and also the army level.
Your videos are great, and full of inspiration for our hobby course
Ich bin prinzipiell null für dieses Gebiet interessiert, aber diese Videos sind immer wieder unterhaltsam
10:35 ah what a great advice make sure I'll make use of it
Thank you for this video! I shall study all their tactics and use them for...peaceful things ^^)
Very interesting! I was surprised by the prominent role of smokescreens via artillery. Have you seen any anecdotal reference on how much smoke vs HE rounds were used by artillery (eg expended or supplied rounds, any nation and caliber >60mm)?
9:25 From someone who plays Company Of Heroes 2 that is the most true statement I've ever heard.
No feelings were hurt in the making of this video.
Fantastic tic tac video !!
I think the Panzerlied song suits at the start of the video. :)
I liked the increased use of maps to illustrate battle tactics. MHV is always raising the quality of production!
I read this as seizing the quality of production, I gotta lay off of the communism memes 😂
something every company of heroes player would love to do, man I loved that
Omg dude u know so much and everyone learn from you we will be doomed if u werent here thank you
10:59 "Armour Protection" because even the armour must be kept safe from French baguette launchers.
I love ur vids about panzer tactics
combined arms is the key to sucessful attack
Combined arms, and mobility....
So this is why the sIG 33 was so well liked~
Do you know if British or Soviet or American doctrines were much different than this?
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US - Advance on wide front, focus on enemy strong points. Redirect more and more reinforcements and support untill they break. Oposite to german tactic that is all about bypassing strong points.
Soviet - Arty and tank spam.
Britts - Discipline and stiff upper lip.
@ And your sources?
At first, no, that's what allowed Rommel to not die in Africa in three seconds, but around in early 1942 British actually surpassed Germany in terms of doctrines.
And Soviet doctrines were very good... unfortunately, Stalin at first abandoned them.
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Dont think the British would have lasted on the Eastern Front for a week.
@4:21 Pak 38 antitank gun I thought was 5cm/50mm but in the video appearing as 50 CM Pakistan 38.
Mechanized units are fairly unique, still, to this day. I enjoy the dialect. I listened to this when I was in the kitchen. By the time I made it back to this position, you had closed. I might watch it again, later. I know you worked on this, and I enjoy it. Maybe, you could program some good Wehrmacht stuff for wargamers? They are looking for experts.
I understand this is an optimal scenario, but were smoke rounds all that plentiful? In all the wargaming I've done I'd love to smoke every possible enemy position before wading into battle, but there never seems to be that much to call on. And how many panzers are you attacking with? You show 4 here, but that looks like alot to take on for a single platoon. Is this a company sized action?
Love your videos. I'm really enjoying them since discovering you a couple months ago. [Thumbs Up]
I agree. That's a lot of smoke for just one platoon of tanks and infantry each. Then again, this all probably comes from a manual, where often only the optimal scenario is described. I don't think that, especially by the late war, Germany could afford to spend that many shells on a single position.
Very informative has the Wehrmacht tactics for the early years defeated all opposition. Indeed, the greatest flattery to these tactics was the establishment of the Tank Destroyer branch by the American Army has a tactical means to overcome them. However, from around October 1942, it all went a bit pear shaped has the Allies learnt methods to defeat these systems, with first at Stalingrad and El Alamein. August 8 1944 is a good example, the eight Tigers led by Wittmann typically using the leapfrog approach in open country could be considered as one of the most, experienced German units in the theatre at the time. Despite this or because of it with the application of this tactical leadership, they were defeated in 12 minutes due to the effective application of Allied armour warfare tactics. Described has the inexorable dynamic application of materialschlacht where the overall Allied numerical superiority would eventually succeed - through simple attrition. Put simply the German Army was always guaranteed to counterattacked, the Allies had learnt the tactics to defeat them.
Alexander Challis yes 7th Royal Armoured Regiment at Arris. The latest modern revisionist Historians, have higher opinions of Montgomery and his men abilities of the execution and prosecution of war than those of the last century as more classified information is released. Though, he did bring down a lot on himself through his attitudes. In the cold light of day many of his statements for the execution of war in the European Theatre, have subsequently been proven correct. Importantly, he and his generals executed war at the lowest human cost to his men. Indeed, he was highly rated by a number of German Generals, often quoted has the only Field Marshal who never lost a battle.
Both battles (Stalingrad and El Alamein) were battles of wear were that the Germans couldn´t afford because of their inferiority in all sort of means of battle (men, tanks, fuel, artillery, air support) which played a nasty roll against them. The battle of Stalingrad should never had been fought because the 6th army was not designed for urban battle in close range against an army which outnumber them, especially in men power (fitted for that sort of combat). In El Alamein Montgomery (a conservative general) piled such a quantity of material that outnumberd Rommen in a rate of about 6:1. Besides, Rommel had no fuel to fight a mobile combat and, utmost, Hitler prohibited him to withdraw, which was imperative to reduce casualties and to save the Afrika Korps.
Excellent information. Remind me of the movie Fury's initial battle scene to take on a German anti-tank position, who did exactly the opposite. Frontal attack in a straight line of formation, just shoot anything that fire back.
6:13 It seems like there's a Maus near the second hill position too, but it left the game soon after joining
Where do you get the panzer graphics. I'd like to use them for measurements
The use of combined arms was the great strength of the German Army in WW2. The techinical ability to co-ordinate infantry, artillery, and armour using radios. This was something adopted by the US?UK/USSR after the war.
IT was the blueprint for modern warefare. Principles still used today.
Thats why i loved (4) vet 2 panzer 4 in coh2 in combination with vet 3 mordar and 2 grenadier squads
If you ever run into a pillbox blocking your way to school or work, now you know what to do.
Can you do a video comparing WW2 PzGr tactics vs Cold War and more recent tactics?
Can you make video about the Chechoslovak army in the 1938?
have you done a series on how Italy used their tanks? I think that would be interesting.
Bren* ---- *wins wars
A dig at Lindybeige? ;-)
Lindy digs at himself.
Bren > Schpandau. Remember your A-level Physics lessons? It's a law of nature.
I highly respect Lindybeige for his knowledge of medieval combat, but he is pushing his limits when it comes to modern tactics.
@@thomaszhang3101 I'd be wary of respecting Lindy for his knowledge on anything tbh, he's an entertainer not an educator.
GunboatDiplomat very few historians know about medieval combat since most useful records are gone. Lindy is a line of hands on, practical historian who actually try out what he finds before accepting it as truth. I respect him for that.
But he either did not do too much research or is biased when it comes to WW2.
I wonder how the US Marine's tactics differ from the Wehrmacht's as far as pillbox clearing.
Hardly at all....
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It's funny that the movement drills used by tanks that you talked about, the Caterpillar and leapfrog techniques are infantry tactics. I learned those exact same drills in basic training. I'm an engineer so I dont know what tactics tank platoons use but a lot of the stuff you talked about is used by the infantry and during infantry assaults
it is fire and movement, you can use it with almost everything that can move and shoot.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized original German PanzerGrenadiere tactics video 1943.
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How would the caterpillar type movement work? I understand the moving unit moves to a similar line as the firing unit, but how would they advance further than that? Wouldn't you have to intermittently switch to leapfrog movement?
Does it make a difference in cases where it storms or snows?
What about hot days?
I feel like cold nights could make a difference, too...
And not to forget mines, barricades and guns hidden in yellow sand. Those could be a problem aswell.
Guess a storm blowing away all the smoke clouds, would suck.
The last word of a Panzer advancing past its infantry.
Would be nice if you did another one that contrasts this 1940 doctrine with later in the war when they would have StuGs to support the infantry attack on the pillbox.
6:36, lol just artillery everything at this point.
I like seeing the MG42 suppress the Bren Guns. ;)
You know what I mean!
The Discipline of the Wehr ! ✊💪💥🔥🙏
Are caterpillar-like and leapfrog movements because they couldn't aim properly while moving? The guns not stabilized like in modern tanks or something?
yes, and its generally a good idea to have one element providing cover fire while the other element moves up. I believe this is also the case for infantry movement.
@@herrkommissar4604 I didn't know WW2 tanks were still so primitive :o
@@chang.stanley Well,gun stabilizer wasn't really that simple to design.One of few tanks that had it was M4 Sherman, and it only allowed for slow speed movement at best, although it only allowed for tank to not have to wait for gun to stabilize after short stop (most had to wait few seconds to wiggle out, and those could be critical seconds).
Gonna try these tactics in Battlefield 5 on the upcoming tank-focused map.
Oh and the Panzer IV is my absolute favorite tank in that game.
Ideally, the Luftwaffe was able to gain local air-superiority and provide Ju-87's for ground-attack.
Now I know how to handle that damn pillbox right outside my office parking lot.
What were the German opinion on 4 vs 5 tank platoons? Weren’t the medium platoons of 1940 or something 5 tanks?
I searched quite a while for that, but never found a "written answer".
Medium (Pz IV) 1941 were 4 tanks, Light (Pz III), where 5. Later Medium Pz IV long hat 5 tanks. Heavy (Tiger) had 4.
Hey mate, any chance of a video on S-Boat (aka E-Boat) tactics and operations? Keep up the great work!
Hi MHV! Japan made first underwater aircraft carrier called i-400 submarine .it could carry only 3 seaplanes. It sound good and stealthy but i didn't understand what kind of mission they could do with those 3 planes. it couldn't attack battleship or couldn't do any pearl harbour. couldn't attack Panama canal as it was heavily guarded with AA guns (don't forget proximity fuses😉). that submarine came late but even if it came in early 1942 what it could do? bio warfare ? most likely those 3 plane so.
yes...biowarfare...
the weatherballoons with firebombs from Japan did little damage..but at least it reached the USA.
Then.1 year later the bio/germs development was better and a small plane at least could target specifically a densely populated area...but avoiding flak or military complexes in/near a city.
But the sub with airplanes was not DESIGNED for this purpose..the idea was to have the 3 waterplanes for better and further scouting..if need be attack a SINGLE enemy destroyer (of the known old obsolete type of
I'm no expert, but how about building more "subcarriers"? One with 3 planes is like a drop on the hot stone, but 10 of those subs and you've got 30 planes.
The Japanese had in mind the idea to use the I-400 class to attack and destroy the locks of the Panama Canal.
ManilaJohn01 could it work with 3 tiny planes? do planes had enough bombs to destroy locks also it was very well protected by AA defence as mentioned
T M S I really not sure they had plan to make 10 sub with limited resources
1:46 Of course the Bren is a high priority target. It wins wars...
So the morning commute to work needs a combined arms approach to deal with obstacles...
might be useful for my next Steel Division 2 game
In what position a commander should be to best coordinate air and land forces? Is he should be on air or on the ground? Thanks. :-)
Not in the air as his aircraft could get shot down,so on the ground,with accurate maps,good communication lines,his subordinate officers constantly close to the telephone line and informing him of the progress of operation at regular intervals and always informed about condition of his troops.
The real question is what type of co-ordination you require. The Germans would often use observers in light observation aircraft to acquire targets and call down air support.
If you want a ground based observer to call down air support, the Germans normally placed Luftwaffe observers at divisional or regimental HQ level. In Spain they went down to battalion level, but for some reason rarely did this in WW2. I am uncertain why.
The ground troops would call their regimental/divisional HQ, though their battalion HQ, and request air support. The request would go to the Luftwaffe observers who would assign priorities and call down air support. The targeting was not as specific as calling down fire support from artillery, I expect because it was expected the pilot would do the final target selection. The timing was rather variable. The Germans sometimes used cab rank, which was aircraft circling round in the rear waiting for a command to attack, but this was normally controlled by Luftwaffe observers directing calling down air support. As a result a ground request for air support could take a while to arrive.
The other type was pre-planned air support, such as occurred at Sedan in 1940. This was normally planned well before the attack and any fine tuning as done at divisional level before the attack began. I think from memory the original plan was a single large air attack, but at the last minute the ground commander requested a constant stream of attacks over an 8 hour period. Regardless, this was done well before the actual battle occurred.
The British and US had a superior air support doctrine by late 1944, with the British placing observers in the front line to call down cab rank aircraft as required. The US normally liked using observers in aircraft to call down air support, but as US pilots normally did not like waiting round for a call to strike, the cab rank was often not as responsive.
5:47 2 hills? miffed up the shadows on one. It's a ditch now.
2:33 'I dont feel supressed'
I do find these tactics highly offensive
Now I know what to do with that pillbox that keep slowing me down on my way to school
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I’d be a millionaire CEO if there weren’t so many pillboxes on my drive to work....
2nd Treffen focuses on Bren Guns. As we were tought by Lindy these were the best Lmg´s of the world and they could easily take out Tiger tanks. So better watch out. :-)
oh boi, my crew gonna need this for BFV
The lens flare from the sun will obscure your vision and game balance will drastically degrade every second to the point where tactics is useless
If the panzer was moving in at a 90° wouldn't it be more vulnerable against AT guns and allied tanks?
Speaking of armour, yes. But the point is that the tank would move so fast that the gun could not rotate with the lateral movement of the target. Thus guns could not even engage the tank. Especially with the howitzers slight adjustments are possible, but larger movements require rotating the entire, very heavy, carriage.
@@Unknown1355 yeah ik but its just a big risk to take and not the smartest
The point was to have different directions of advance in order to hinder the accuracy of the antitank guns.
Hanz Guderien the Panzer leader ( if I am not mistaken) use and learn tactics from a Bulgarian Cavalier general Ivan Kolev.
source?
4:28 a 50cm pak ? i think i found a typo
You found a Wunderwaffe for destroying allied warships lol
Can someone explain the organisation of an engineer squad and platoon and how they attack a pillbox pacificaly what the engineers do please
Bei 4:30 ist das eine 5cm Pak, keine 50cm Pak...
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Pretty good, pretty good - pretty neat, pretty neat.
Help a german tank destroyer(stug iii f) is blocking the way to my school and I only have a M24 chaffee, what do I do?