He does this really characteristic stumbling where he tries to figure out what to say next. Which is funny because thats exactly what his movies are like. Hell throw all these interesting ideas into the air and catch none, he needs someone elses material, period. The end result is always this psuedointellectual trite where not a godamn plot thread gets resolved.
Back when I was studying film, our lecturer warned us about using 3 bad film student story cichés. 1. mental illness or it's all in your head and not real, or is it! 2. Too much unfounded weapon violence, 3. titles that dosen't fit the film to be edgy af or evert audience expectations. Welll...... WEEELLLL
Lol, true, though there were some amazing little bits of hilarity if you look close enough, like the low-key snub the actress in the center gives the actress at right at 9:40 when she's trying to talk. XD "Yeah, sure."
I don’t know why they do interviews all actor sound like their making stuff up . They should just say I’m actor or actress I just act I don’t care about the story lol instead trying to sound smart or make it have a deep meaning
oh my god, finally, someone else felt like cringing during the interview segments, each time those come up, i always mute them, the actors always sound like they have a hard time fishing for something to say about the movie they were in, sure they're in the hot seat, but it used to be, that a lot of actors had so much fun in the movie, making it, that they had no problem coming up with something to say, but now, its either some kind of message, regardless of if the product was intended that way or not, or its got bright colors and flashing to keep people invested, its sad how few actors have much to say anymore :P
I'm surprised at just how un-articulate some of these directors are? It's the movie they created and envisioned months/years on end, yet they can't even explain their own movie??
This movie straight up plagiarizes American McGee's Alice (Alice Madness Returns predecessor). The story of the game: Alice's home burns down. She is the sole survivor. *She is sent to an asylum because she feels guilty over her family dying. She deals with her issues through exploring Wonderland (her mind). Wonderland and it's characters reflect things that happen around her and her personal feelings.* Call me crazy, but I'm seeing a few similarities. This movie came out 11 years after the game.
Exactly what I thought. When I heard of the movie when it came out, I thought it was a grim retelling of Alice in Wonderland just like American Mcgee’s.
great game sooooooo under..........played..........noticed ..........got it for my daughter on her 16th anyhoot please chech out Automated Alice and Falling Out Of Cars books by Manchester author Jeff Noon great takes on the Alice theme ........oh thats Manchester England not "by the sea"
If I hear one more actress say they are "empowered" because they get to shoot some action scenes I will scream. I mean, characters don't actually have to be written like realistic people with personalities and motivations, right? As long as they kick some ass? It's fucking lazy. That goes for the writing of male characters too.
how many years have women been doing action scenes anyway? it's got to stop being a ground breaking stride forward for female empowerment eventually right?... right!?
No... It's never going to stop. It's always going to be an "empowering" thing for women, as long as women subscribe to Feminism. I have no problem at all with "feminism", but "Feminism" is a problem in the US. It's a monster that has nothing left to fight for, but it just keeps fighting.
300 is great because it's a straight up action movie that doesn't try to sell itself as anything else. You don't watch 300 for the nuanced character development haha
Interesting story that no one cares about: When this movie came out I, being the poor bastard I was, torrented it. I thought it was short but good, mindless action. Turns out I downloaded an "Action Only" copy without realizing it, which means everything except the fight scenes were removed. I didn't find this out until months later.
Sure, these characters look cool, they're sexualized and they're doing a lot of big action things, but maybe if you don't want your movie to be called sexist then you shouldn't set it in a fantasy brothel where everything's in their heads, so nothing matters while Baby Doll gets raped IRL against her will??? You literally gain powers with sexy dancing in the fake world. Maybe this isn't as progressive as you want it to be, Snyder.
I mean you can hav a fantasy brothel, but make clear it doent look cool but ugly. And rally come together how it is allowing the audience , an maybe show her sister too, And let it linger. And imply, yeah he did abuse them, and maye have the dad actor howing up sort as customer? But neve ever make a brothel cool unless it like run by the sexworkers themselves. And if it was intened to be about trauma and abuse in hollywood, dont make it sexy! Also a violnt grim not skipped scene with a music running could work as theme for that.
@@marocat4749 I don't think the brothel itself is the problem as much as it's the combination of all of this stuff together. It really does just all congeal into this big weird message about how your lead character is just a sexual object instead of someone with agency. It's so weird on so many levels. Like this movie feels like THE guide on how to not write a female protagonist, you know? And so much of that is about the context together instead of any specific thing, I think. I'm not even against the idea of someone exploring a dream world to make sense of their trauma with sexual abuse, but the framing is just so important to that, and having it be this obvious that it doesn't matter is just such a bad move from that perspective.
@@dracocrusherI think the brothel fantasy is supposed to signal that because of the sexual abuse her mind was affected to think this was ideal for her
+Dan Slash Maybe the world is really bright to his eyes, too bright, and that's why he tones down all the color and light in his films.Maybe that's not just a vision... but has to indeed do with his vision. XD
@@The80sWolf_ if thats the case, maybe movie director(where you have to speak to large crews and then the press) is'nt the best career choice. also it feels like his interviews got worse over time not better, you'd think it would be the other way round.
I remember watching this when I was like 12 and being so confused that I was like " I gotta watch it to the end theres gotta be a explanation for all this!?" And getting nothing and just sitting on the living room floor feeling empty...
@@katttscratchfever I get it proably interesting but the way too cool action distracts even from it as good messy movie. And i dont find anime style girls for the sak of doing sexy anime scenes good? Which already i bad in anime when good doe at leat show agency or character or , something . If its good. Things can b ffanservicy and have a meaning.
"And I kinda like Zack Synder's directing style. Whenever he's working with someone else's ideas he seems to do a good job." Then Dawn of Justice happened..
BlueZapLewis Synder sucks. Only thing he's done for cinema is letting us see Eva Green nude. Other than the movie sucked, Watchmen sucked, Dawn of Justice sucked, suckerpunch was very mediocre.
He didn't even write 300 did he? Isn't it a Frank Miller comic? And even then, there have been movies based on the whole 300 spartans at Thermopylae legend, so the story itself isn't original anyway
+AG TEX He speaks like a guy who's in totally shock. His eyes say "Holy shit I can't believe they gave me all this money to make such an unbelievable mess."
+AG TEX I can't watch those interviews with anyone; directors, actors, producers... It's all bullshit anyways, they're contractually obligated to sell the movie.
+AG TEX Well you see, he sucks at explaining things because... the thing you have to understand is that when you are explaining something, certain things need to come together and he tries to put them together... but then the third and fourth worlds are just totally different. It's all about the tone ya know?
When I'm asked to explain my thoughts I just say: it's up for interpretation, because it sucks to be put on the spot to explain yourself, especially after you are relieved that you are now done worrying about making one of your ideas into a story.
No... just no. If you were to deadlift beyond your body's limits without gradually working up to that, you would hurt yourself really badly. Strength of will won't save you from your muscle fibers being torn to shit because you wanted to show off.
I love how this movie took something as horrifying as sex slavery and forced prostitution and turned into a "wuwu GURL POWER believe in urself!!" shitshow and by love I mean hate
I know your comment is 3 years old but I really didn't get that from this film. It's more lik "we're abused and we're looking for a mental escape so let's pretend we have power"
"So, they gotta get fire, right? Well, where do they get fire? A... a dragon. Cuz dragons have fire." 3 seconds later "So, yeah, so, naturally, uh, for the knife, they gotta go disarm a bomb."
This is the guy behind Suicide Squad and Man of Steel whose also going to be behind The Flash, Wonder Woman, Dead Shot, Suicide Squad 2, and Aquaman. The future of DC movies doesn't look too bright....
This film is creative, that is undeniable. Now for all those praising this film for it's ingenious intentions that somehow, only a few people got, consider this... I painted a picture of a crow wearing a gold necklace at the base of a cherry tree with hands for its leaves. The crow is pecking at the bloody halo of a sleeping demon wearing the suit of a businessman. The painting was meaningless, but you wouldn't believe the amazing interpretations that I got for it. For every piece of crap work of art, there is someone who finds beauty in it. I don't mind that you like it, just stop acting like the director was actually making something more meaningful, he wasn't. This was made for entertainment, unfortunately it wasn't entertaining.
I've done the exact same thing with poetry. Literally writing pseudo-intellectual prose, purposely with no inspiration or meaning behind it. And having people "interpret" the meaning always makes me laugh. Not like, mocking laughter, just at the fact that if people *WANT* to find meaning in something they will. **coughreligioncough**
TheBlarggle does it matter if the person writing it meant for it to have meaning? what about if the creator is long dead, will people know if they intended for it to have meaning or not? Chances are people wouldn't get the exact same intended meaning out of it anyway. So all we have is what we think a movie/poem/painting means, whether we saw it or made it. It doesn't make it any more valid if the maker agrees with you and had the same intended meaning or if every person on the planet agrees or disagrees with you. What does matter if there is proof of the meaning.
But art is supposed to have meaning. It's not surprising that people try to interpret a painting that looks like it has all sorts of symbolism tied to it. Surely, it meant something, whether it was just to have fun. It's not some random bag floating in the wind, but a deliberately crafted piece of art that took time, skill, and dedication to make.
Part of the reason why the story didn't make sense is because he did the same thing that David Cage does with his games; he envisioned a bunch of individual SCENES and different scenarios that he thought would be cool to put in a movie, and then he had to find a way to torturously contrive a story around those scenes he envisioned. When you write a story around various scenes instead of envisioning/writing scenes around a solid premise and cohesive story, the whole thing is almost inevitably going to come across as a completely non-sensical mess.
@@andrewr1858 I wonder how the guy got so much creative liberty. Sucker Punch was a bomb. Legends of Ga Hoole was a bomb. Man of Steel was divisive. He is now making his super ultra justice league cut. What on earth gave him power? It´s not like he directed an acclaimed box office hit like Star wars or Matrix.
Yeah. But look at the difference in the results. Lucas produced an enduring masterpiece (until Disney got involved, of course), and Snyder produced a pretty packet of $#!* that hurt my brain.
The quote, "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything." is actually from founding father Alexander Hamilton. So both this movie and the song you say it was referencing where both quoting a founding father.
So is no one going to address how one of the staff members at this insane asylum murdered two of the patients?? Like, did he just symbolically murder them by separating them from the other girls or did he actually kill them?
No one really die. All girls are Sweet Pea imagination. At the start you can see Sweet Pea on the stage, going to remove her memory. Then she decide to rewrite all her story. That she is the star of the show.
Yeah, "empowered" young women imagine themselves in pedo-bait makeup with pigtails in a sparkly, midriff/miniskirt sailor schoolgirl uniform and being called "Babydoll" while being made to work in a forced brothel. I was unfortunate enough to get suckered into paying real money to watch this incoherent shitstorm mess in the theater. That man is almost as incoherent at points of his interview as the film itself. ....And is that a fucking Silent Hill map at 1:55???
I feel like it's all be much more clear if each world literally bled into one another at specific parts throughout the movie. That and constantly change little details about the scenes in her head, you know, food appears/disappears, amount of enemies fluctuates during fight scenes, even room layouts and colors changing so that the keen eyed viewers would know and be reminded that 'reality' isn't exactly all there.
One of the dumbest parts of this film is the fact that the sexual abuse in the film doesn't add anything to the story, themes or characters. It's just there for shock value and to force people to sympathize with the characters. It's basically somebody shouting down your ear "LOOK HOW HORRIBLE THIS IS! DOESN'T IT MAKE YOU FEEL SAD THAT MISOGYNY EXISTS!? CRY, DAMN YOU, CRY!!"
Then he must have the worst wet dreams ever then. Considering there are barely any nudity, and the theme of the movie is about how women have been treated in psychriatic wards etc.
@@boobysr They thought "this is the film that will shoot my career into been a A Lister". You can see in their faces none of them really believed half the crap they were saying.
yeah it really sucks that they were probably paid to say "this is empowering!" when they know its not, there's literally nothing empowering about a sexy badass female character with no other redeeming qualities other than sexy and badass. and "oh she has a tortured past so... female rights!!" like what... no... that's not how it works...
WalterLiddy I haven't seen Pain & Gain so I can't really comment. Although I heard that his film The Island was critically well received but not commercially (haven't seen that one either).
The sexism thing was because they actually weren't powerful or did anything that showed they were strong. They hallucinate that they're shooting up zombies videogame style, but not a single female character in this movie stood up for themselves. Even the lady who's the dance instructor just shrivels up and hides despite knowing the girls are being abused (both physically and sexually, and eventually, killed). In one scene every woman except 2 dies while they cower in the hallucinated dressing room. Had 300 been about a man hallucinating the entire fight because he was too emotionally weak to do anything but sacrifice himself (and several others in the process) to get one person out of the situation alive we wouldn't think of him as empowered or strong; especially if they were hallucinating they were forced into prostitution in a brothel. The fact that this story is supposed to make the female characters look strong is laughable. That's where the real sexism lies, not in the superficial outfits.
The Bandog He actually described exactly what’s sexist about it (hence: male characters would never be considered “strong” or “empowered” if they literally did nothing through the entire movie outside of hallucinations, but because it’s women, Zack Snyder and every man watching this decided to champion it as some sort of female empowerment). If you look at it objectively, it is quite sexist-maybe not intentionally, but whatevs-and is far removed from movies like Mad Max and, dare I say, anime like Ghost in the Shell. But honestly, me and my friends (most who are girls) kind of liked it, mostly in the same way we like cheesy B horror movies or over-the-top action slop.
"I'm not being influenced by anything subjective" Oh boy, someone said that therefore it is true. And honestly, a definition of bigotry that would allow the whole world to be remade with exactly the same actions, but without exact clearly stated intent of bigotry is worse then useless. It makes any discussion about "bigotry you insist can't exist" impossible.
I get what Zack Snyder was going for but considering the man is incompetent he created a mess of a movie. I think the problem is that the girls are barely characters and they’re so vapid they’re not memorable. They’re just hot chicks fighting in short skirts and also hot chicks in a brothel. The fact that they’re being exploited could have been explored a little more but it wasn’t which is very Zack Snyder. His vision was Alice in Wonderland. What we got as a shitty mess. At least Emily Browning was hot.
Zack Snyder is that gym guy you knew in college who got really into anime and comic books but doesn't actually understand what makes "the classics" work on a storytelling level. I bet he loves Youngblood and Spawn unironically. Like they have value. Or actually have thought put into them. Errgh.
+Paulino Garcia Though, like Adam says, Zack Snyder directs other people's writing really well, if the writing is good. The problem? Man of Steel was written by David S. Goyer, who's probably the most incompetent and overrated writer who still gets a lot of work for some reason because he is lucky enough to work with good people.
+kurvos Well Goyer gets a lot of work mainly due to how quick he can churn something out, and he is really good at sounding smart to dumb people. I disagree with Snyder being a great director. I think Snyder is competent at best.
In terms of "offensiveness" or whatever, the only thing that kind of legit bothered me was the use of (implied) rape as like an "ooooooh spooooooky" gotcha 2deep4u plot device. I can't stand movies where the emotional brunt of the movie is "isn't it Scary when women are raped? Aren't you uncomfortable?? Isn't rape bad?????" because we already know rape is terrible. We don't need to be told. Movies which are unable to say anything new or interesting and aren't entertaining enough in their own right are not movies worth my time. (see: precious)
+Jane Do And, by the end, I kinda feel bad myself. The movie fetishizes Baby Doll so much that I feel dirty afterwards. I understand that's how the world sees her, they only see a sexy piece of meat. But they literally show me a sexy piece of meat instead of a character!
+Malcom Chase what's even dumber is that the marketing concept of the movie was sexy female action character and her sexy female friends go on sexy and deep action adventures in the "subconscious". Did we mention it's sexy????
+Jane Do Exactly. Most of the time when someone mentions women being objectified, their a feminist complaining a female character is wearing a tight outfit or showing some cleavage, but this movie goes so far beyond the normal Hollywood standard of "everyone, male or female, is unrealistically hot" I just can't enjoy it. None of the female characters in this movie have any traits other than being hot.
Sully 1991 The most baffling thing to me is, there are PLENTY of feminists who claim this movie is "empowering" because they... beat people up I guess even though it's the most straight forward example of objectification I can think of off the top of my head. PoMo libfems who think wearing make up and "Slut Walk" are activism make me gag lmfao.
"I kind of like Zack Snyder's Directing style--whenever he's working with someone else's ideas he seems to do a good job"... Oh, just you wait, Adum from the past...
@@supereero9 Zack snyder lost his touch unfortunately. It's like he literally forgot what was cool about his early films in the first place and we are left with only the weaknesses of his filmmaking
Two words, man: fetish movie. All the story is just an excuse to the director to put all those thing he most like. He said he was inspired by animé and it show, because just in animé could you see a woman in a mini mini skirt fighting with swords agains gigantic samurais. All the movie to me felt a little like Sin City, in the sense that they all about estetics, about how it looks, or at least like this all was thought to be a comic book. I actually was surprised to find out that it wasnt a comic book, but for what this is... is watcheable. The costumes are cool, the settings are fun. It doesn´t make any sense because it doesn´t intended to have it. Is just something to look at.
***** So what you're saying is you didn't understand it and ended up not liking it because it wasn't just girls in slutty outfits fighting in fantasy environments but actually had a multi-layered story with very heavy-handed metaphors. Gotcha.
***** Actually that is the very definition of deep, something that have many layers. I don´t say this movie is deep, I am just saying that is the defenition of the word.
I think the best word to describe Sucker Punch is 'confused'. Not 'confusING, but 'confused'. It doesn't know if it's dark or whimsical. It doesn't know if it's a dumb fun action film or a deep philosophical sci-fi. It doesn't know if it's a over-sexualized exploitation flick or an empowering feminist piece. It doesn't know if it's serious or tounge-in-cheek. It has some cool ideas, but none of it comes together to make anything coherent.
Confused tone is my number one complaint with modern films. Rom coms have an action subplot. Comedies have a dramatic undercurrent. Action films try to be philosophical. There are about five directors who can handle mixed-tone scripts, and all five are deceased.
@@SuperTonyony Mixe genre ar pretty norma, iman most media does fall in several, and comedy and drama ere always ar connected, usually drama is better with some (dark) comedy. And And comedy is best with serious stuf that just is told within a comedy, and that goes traight up to shakespeare always having a bit of both in some way.
Too bad it wasn’t intentional like Babylon. That’s what made Babylon work. He said himself that he wrote it as an R film but had to make it PG 13 so there’s your confusion.
I like some of the aspects of this movie, including the OST (Browning's renditions of Asleep & Sweet Dreams are cool) and visuals (the costumes and backgrounds are kinda nice- as well as the fact that there's glances of Hot Damn, Jon Hamm, beautiful ladies, and so on), unfortunately, it just doesn't come altogether very well plot wise.
Tyranno - I think Snyder is a fine director, although he's one of those directors where you need to be ready to see a Snyder movie before you go, because his style is going to distract the fuck out of you otherwise (Robert Rodgriguez is similar - I like his movies, but I like them as Robert Rodriguez movies). As a writer, though, I don't think he's all that great.
@@giancarloamaya1774 " I went in thinking that the movie was going to a full fledged action film and it ended up being some terrible drama/mediocre action movie. " So the fault lays with you rather than the movie?
@@The80sWolf_ Those commercials and trailers were pretty deceiving, and zack synder didn't even know the fuck his own movie was about so I wonder whos in the wrong here.
He’s saying he’s transcended video games by switching from 1 world to a 2nd world to a 3rd world that have nothing to do with each other & that the video game industry should aspire to do this because it was a huge success for his movie.
+Stre Led why stop at Samus? There is a bunch in justice league, original dmc female roster, pretty much every single anime out there has one and so on... It's actually more of an annoying trope now then something unique xD.
We could also point out how Samus wears a standard Varia suit, there is no female variation of the Varia suit, it's just one variation. Samus is a good example of this trope due to the fact that her armor isn't designed to accentuate her curves, only her zero suit does that and even that's meant to work with her body contortions and protect her body from chaffing on the metal armor she wears, not to sexualize her.
Y'know what? Pan's Labyrinth does this whole thing better. At least when she faced danger in her (debatably) imaginary world, it was empowering because she had agency where she didn't in reality. It wasn't just done because it's cool- the entire damn film demonstrates the only real defense children have against the horrors they face in life. This film takes the best ideas from Pan's Labyrinth and shits on them. Also lobotomies don't work that way, good night!
I watched this a few months ago and its just literally made my brain cry. I loved the visuals but the story confused me so much. It was such a basic film yet it did so many tricks giving the illusion that it meant something. My brain struggled to piece it together. There was a lot of "symbolism" that left the entire story empty like. I cant even make my opinion make sense. I still struggle to explain how this movie made me feel. I just am so glad i was able to find somewhere to unleash this word barf.
When asked "what made you come up with these dream scenes" Zack Snyder should have said "Ninja Scroll, Call of Duty, World of Warcraft and I, Robot the movie mixed with the Matrix". Seriously, I saw the trailers for this movie and was like "Blizzard is soooo gonna sue them" when I saw that scene where the Horde and Alliance fights over baby dragons. I half expected a Hell world too with Diablo thrown in, since this movie seems to have tried to put as many references to games popular at the time as it could.
Swift Nimblefoot Man the dragon scene was literally Mordor complete with orcs. I looked at that and literally though, "Holy Shit, you better hope Peter Jackson never see this."
imo it's more like he had a lot of songs on his ipod and favorite anime scenes that he thought he was a genius for liking because they're so ~cool and eclectic~
Is it just me, or is the plot eerily similar to Alice: Madness Returns? You know, with the girl in therapy because she thinks she killed someone but really plot twist happens?
@4:16 how can you expect us to give a fuck about your movie when you *CLEARLY DON'T* . Its like his sober mind is trying to explain a script his "coked out of his mind" mind wrote.
9:51 - Huh? What are you talking about with the soundtrack? I really like this son-- 9:56 - Ohhhh....wow... How in the hell can one movie screw up such an amazing song this badly?
If that song is in the movie then at least that’s 1 thing good about the movie. Most ppl are prob half asleep or chilling with their eyes closed by that point anyway. It’s a privilege to hear this song on any THX certified sound system.
+paddy hughes if they kept this general theme of real world vs fantasy world, but had it be Harley as the main character and there be HUGE Batman franchise motifs in the fantasy sequences, it'd be an incredible movie.
Snyder seemed so awkward in the interviews, like he was trying to curve round awkward questions and answer in as sterile a way as he could. That implies to me the film was made for some odd fantasies of his.
He said it himself, the film is an homage to Heavy Metal. People are either going to like it or hate it but if you're a filmmaker doing interviews for your insanely expensive film that requires as many asses in seats as possible you're going to choose your words very carefully like you were running for office. Especially in this climate where people freak out over sex and violence in film.
I kind of wish the worlds and imaginations we see in this film were the character's. Something that would make sense for this girl from this old-fashioned home. It makes sense that Zack Snyder would daydream about samurai and robots and dragons and girls trapped in a burlesque house doing sexy dances, but why would the character in the film? If this were as intellectual of a film as Zack Snyder thinks it is, there could have been a lot of things to set stuff like that up ahead of time. It could even be something as simple as some books on a shelf or a toy set. Maybe have the hallucinations or whatever mirror the actual world in some way like if her sister had been the one who died first and the mother blamed her for it all and had a bad smoking habit, the dragon scene could be a reflection of that somehow. No, that's probably a shit idea, but it'd be nice if the movie at least tried to have something of substance.
@@The80sWolf_ Chances are that women imprisoned in a mental institution would probably fantasise about the world outside and the events that lead them to where they are, y'know like they were just saying in their comment.
@@thanatoast And what do you take that from? I have been in mental institutions and seen the creative work of those there, what drawings they have made and such. And that was no fucking way just "world outside events leading there", they painted monsters and fantasy beings. You must have no clue whats going on inside these peoples heads.
Eh, it's just that the whole concept is iffy. It's written by a man who doesn't seem to understand how women interact with each other and it just seems less like a female power fantasy and more like a movie for the male gaze? It's great that they try to save themselves from their situation but this movie isn't in a vacuum. This man intentionally wrote them in this situation where they are being controlled by men the whole time and in the end, she is lobotomized anyway. :/ How empowering
""It's empowering to see women strip dance in school girl outfits because.. reasons! /sweats and goes back to barely legal porn and writing scripts trying to get into the mind of women/" -Zack, probably
Why is everyone still caught up on the idea that this movie has to be empowering? Its a cool movie but never one i would take seriously. I'm so tired of hearing people talk about scantily clad women like its just male pigs that enjoy the visuals, there is such a thing as lesbians. I'm a pansexual female and I enjoy seeing nice cleavage from time to time but I guess that automaticly makes me sexist as well. Women are told to embrace their body's and then when they do decide to show it off the body they're so proud of all the people telling them to embrace it turn around and call them sluts. Others may think differently but as I said this isn't a movie to be taken seriously. If you enjoy it cool. If you think it's stupid that's cool too.
Except this movie isn't supposed to be empowering? It's a really sad, dark story. Hence the Goth themed production style. Like seriously, the fact that all the actors and even Zack pretend like this film is empowering only shows America is riding a toxic feminism train. All women are supposed to be self-sufficient and independent, strong individuals? Fuck you.
Anyone who says that men only saw this film to gawk at girls should probably, yes, acknowledge that we like 300 far more for the same content, good action and actual tension and spectacle.
Oh come on, we like 300 because the dudes are ripped and awesome. It's okay to admit that. It's all part of spectacle, always has been, always will be.
basically shows that he just slapped his name on it and didn't really have anything to do with it... "girls fighting half naked? yeah sounds great, do what you want!"
Every time Zach Snyder opens his mouth in an interview, it's just like film-related jargon he's heard other directors talk about. It's a sheer miracle he's actually in the movie-making business.
They tried to slap an oh-so-deep story on it Seriously, if anyone wants to see this movie the best way to do so is skipping anything that's not the fighting hallucinations
Zach Snyder put 10 minutes of thought, and his dick, into this movie. That's why even he cannot explain it. It's a series of scenes that Snyder thought would look cool. It's TOTAL $#!*. It's funny listening to the actresses talking about how this film full of rape and abuse is empowering. Great stuff!
I wouldn't have minded how the women looked if the film actually felt like they were kicking ass with some stakes. It was 100% guaranteed they were going to succeed because, as was pointed out here, there was no real consequence to anything they did given it was a dream. In 300, there was real empowerment because they actually WERE fighting with consequences in the real world (or at least THEIR real world). In Sucker Punch I felt nothing for any of them because what was the point? I think that's where my issue lies. Not exactly with how sexy they were or whatever, but the fact that that was their only real defining feature: sexy women in dreamscapes.
They could have had fights in dreams they lost and affect their mental state negatively so that they need to do better in the next dreams, actually giving us stakes.
the film was sold as a feminist flick but ended up being a poor excuse to get women half naked and degrade them. That ending was super stupid just like the rest of the storyline. The only good thing was Oscar Isaac's performance
Seems like a movie that has a lot of style and very little substance. It's like one of those movies tell a friend about how cool something looked and then he asks you what it's about and you say I don't know but it looked cool. Zack's strongest points seem to be the more superficial aspects of movies, if it makes sense or not becomes secondary to the visual style of the movie.
Tarantino is the best at letting you know he doesn’t give af what you think of his movies while being just polite enough to keep you from talking sht about him.
+Sayuri Kusanagi It is. It's also boring, badly acted, badly written, boring, pretentious, insubstantial, boring and boring. Oh wait, one final thing! It's boring.
+Sayuri Kusanagi For someone who has never seen the film, I must say that your description of its plot is dead on. Comparing it to Alice in Wonderland and Inception is exactly what I did when I finished watching it (frothing from the mouth with disgust at the film), and your comparing it to Kill Bill just adds to that. My girlfriend wants me to write a review for it on my website, but it's within the very few films I've ever seen that I never want to again in my life. By the end, I was completely disengaged and had more questions than answers; for a one-off film, that is *not* the response you'd be going for as a director, writer and/or producer.
As someone who has heard countless awful comments about this movie, the acting & pretty much knows exactly what happens as far as plot, I still think there’s a possibility I’ll like it just for the action & aesthetics. It wasn’t until I heard the knife being a literal bomb that I actually began to lose hope. But all of the concepts/fantasies/reasoning/plot/script aside, is it a good action film?
I think Sucker Punch would have been fine if they just stuck with like ONE fantasy world if they wanted to go that route, like it's not my favorite, but still why two?
"If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything." Is actually a Malcolm X quote. I knew it couldn't have come from either rappers OR Zach Snyder, it's too clever. My bullshit filter wouldn't accept it.
I for one never thought the "brother" part were an imagination, that the girls quest to collect the different items to plan their escape from the "Asylum" were the reality.. and then they symbolically put in the kick-ass thematic action scenes as symbolic, metaphorical segments instead of just having a slutty dance. The different action scenes were just representative eye-candy for what was actually going on in the real-world. And I for one didn't have a problem with that concept at all.
The only problem is that it's overloaded. You didn't need the brothel part to frame the escape from the asylum if you were going to turn the brothel dancing sequences into metaphors for the dance which is actually them setting up the plan to escape the asylum. You can have her sent to an asylum and have the metaphors be how they escaped or have her sold to a brothel and have her dances represent the various objectives they need to capture to escape. Generally speaking one of the three elements aren't needed but the action sequences are the selling point of the movie so ideally you don't even need the framing devices because we'll be so detached to reality that it won't even matter what's actually happening. Especially if we only really find out at the end. With the way they made this movie Baby Doll could have just hooked up to the Matrix. I mean why not?
Oda Swifteye The brothel setting is because that's what the place is "in reality", because the wardens were sexually abusing the patients, as it is shown in the end when the main antagonists tries to rape Babydoll. the "sexy dances" are just euphemisms, and the escape to a fantasy world serve to reinforce that they aren't dances at all. That's why they're not shown.
Mario Morales that could be true. BUT Suckerpunch just Shows a lack of storytelling Talent. HOW the hell should i know that the wardens are Abusers? just like u said there is ONE Scene at the END of the Movie that Kind of implicaded that Theory. there is a flying word in the Movie industry that says: "Show, dont tell" and for the most time These are true words. but SP just Shows and Shows and Shows.. but it tells NOTHING. and we as audience are free to guess what this all means. i for my self like it if i have to strugle with a movie. if the Movie makes me think about its meaning then its a good movie. but on SP i just Dont get the grip. everything is just implied and vague. this movie has literaly no solid ground i could walk on. therefore: bad Movie.
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I love how he finds clips of the directors and actors that show how little they actually can explain about their own film.
I know lol. Especially when they contradict themselves and the entire time they're boasting about how ground breaking the film is.
Or how the interviewer is trying to complement a shitty as film.
That's best thing about YMS, nobody else does that!
***** true. Assuming it is executed correctly, of course.
art should do whatever the hell it wants and shouldn't listen to what other people have to say about what it should be
snyder in interviews reminds me of BSing an essay for the word count
Kyle Schneid mood
Snyder suffers from social anxiety, dyslexia etc.
He does this really characteristic stumbling where he tries to figure out what to say next. Which is funny because thats exactly what his movies are like. Hell throw all these interesting ideas into the air and catch none, he needs someone elses material, period.
The end result is always this psuedointellectual trite where not a godamn plot thread gets resolved.
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Ahahaha I can’t Unthink this
Back when I was studying film, our lecturer warned us about using 3 bad film student story cichés.
1. mental illness or it's all in your head and not real, or is it! 2. Too much unfounded weapon violence, 3. titles that dosen't fit the film to be edgy af or evert audience expectations.
Welll...... WEEELLLL
all in your head/mental illness is like every horror game ever
omg those interview sections were so cringey i had to hide in the comments sections a few times.
Lmao😂
Lol, true, though there were some amazing little bits of hilarity if you look close enough, like the low-key snub the actress in the center gives the actress at right at 9:40 when she's trying to talk. XD
"Yeah, sure."
I don’t know why they do interviews all actor sound like their making stuff up . They should just say I’m actor or actress I just act I don’t care about the story lol instead trying to sound smart or make it have a deep meaning
oh my god, finally, someone else felt like cringing during the interview segments, each time those come up, i always mute them, the actors always sound like they have a hard time fishing for something to say about the movie they were in, sure they're in the hot seat, but it used to be, that a lot of actors had so much fun in the movie, making it, that they had no problem coming up with something to say, but now, its either some kind of message, regardless of if the product was intended that way or not, or its got bright colors and flashing to keep people invested, its sad how few actors have much to say anymore :P
Marc Alcatraz that's what I'm doing right now
I'm surprised at just how un-articulate some of these directors are? It's the movie they created and envisioned months/years on end, yet they can't even explain their own movie??
Is that your real pic?
Rinoa Heartilly *inarticulate
Marq Vince Yes...but why? :/
DojoMuppet Unarticulate and inarticulate are actually interchangeable, but probably should have gone with inarticulate.
Rinoa Heartilly
Just checking.
This movie straight up plagiarizes American McGee's Alice (Alice Madness Returns predecessor). The story of the game: Alice's home burns down. She is the sole survivor. *She is sent to an asylum because she feels guilty over her family dying. She deals with her issues through exploring Wonderland (her mind). Wonderland and it's characters reflect things that happen around her and her personal feelings.*
Call me crazy, but I'm seeing a few similarities. This movie came out 11 years after the game.
That was my impression as well. Same thing with Tim Burton's Alice films, no one gives the game any credit.
Exactly what I thought. When I heard of the movie when it came out, I thought it was a grim retelling of Alice in Wonderland just like American Mcgee’s.
Another tragedy is that A:MR was such a clean, stylish, and well produced game, yet it received little to no fanfare or recognition for any of it.
great game sooooooo under..........played..........noticed ..........got it for my daughter on her 16th anyhoot please chech out Automated Alice and Falling Out Of Cars books by Manchester author Jeff Noon great takes on the Alice theme ........oh thats Manchester England not "by the sea"
You said it.
The real movie I want to see is an adaptation of the American McGee Alice games.
If I hear one more actress say they are "empowered" because they get to shoot some action scenes I will scream. I mean, characters don't actually have to be written like realistic people with personalities and motivations, right? As long as they kick some ass? It's fucking lazy. That goes for the writing of male characters too.
how many years have women been doing action scenes anyway? it's got to stop being a ground breaking stride forward for female empowerment eventually right?... right!?
No... It's never going to stop. It's always going to be an "empowering" thing for women, as long as women subscribe to Feminism. I have no problem at all with "feminism", but "Feminism" is a problem in the US. It's a monster that has nothing left to fight for, but it just keeps fighting.
all I have to say to that is I loved 300
300 is great because it's a straight up action movie that doesn't try to sell itself as anything else. You don't watch 300 for the nuanced character development haha
300 pissed me off, mostly for the blatant historical innaccuracy and oddly homophobic undertones. I much prefer the way Samurai Jack told the story.
Interesting story that no one cares about: When this movie came out I, being the poor bastard I was, torrented it. I thought it was short but good, mindless action. Turns out I downloaded an "Action Only" copy without realizing it, which means everything except the fight scenes were removed. I didn't find this out until months later.
that's why i always torrent the extended (uncut) movie
lmao
loool
It's like this guy played through Alice: Madness Returns, and thought "oh, I could do that" and then tried and failed.
Why is the movie even called Sucker Punch?
Who is getting Sucker Punched? The audience?
At least you tried. L
+Dexter Colley Please don't start this bullshit on Adam's channel.
Fat
Yep! It's a sucker punch because you went in expecting craaaazy Alice in Wonderland dream fighters and you got mopey bullshit fake dream world drama.
Because Zack Snyder is a dumb dude-bro type who probably thought the title sounded mad legit, brah.
it's really funny to watch Zack Snyder try to explain his film and not know what the fuck he's saying
Sure, these characters look cool, they're sexualized and they're doing a lot of big action things, but maybe if you don't want your movie to be called sexist then you shouldn't set it in a fantasy brothel where everything's in their heads, so nothing matters while Baby Doll gets raped IRL against her will??? You literally gain powers with sexy dancing in the fake world. Maybe this isn't as progressive as you want it to be, Snyder.
I mean you can hav a fantasy brothel, but make clear it doent look cool but ugly. And rally come together how it is allowing the audience , an maybe show her sister too, And let it linger. And imply, yeah he did abuse them, and maye have the dad actor howing up sort as customer?
But neve ever make a brothel cool unless it like run by the sexworkers themselves.
And if it was intened to be about trauma and abuse in hollywood, dont make it sexy!
Also a violnt grim not skipped scene with a music running could work as theme for that.
@@marocat4749 I don't think the brothel itself is the problem as much as it's the combination of all of this stuff together. It really does just all congeal into this big weird message about how your lead character is just a sexual object instead of someone with agency. It's so weird on so many levels.
Like this movie feels like THE guide on how to not write a female protagonist, you know? And so much of that is about the context together instead of any specific thing, I think. I'm not even against the idea of someone exploring a dream world to make sense of their trauma with sexual abuse, but the framing is just so important to that, and having it be this obvious that it doesn't matter is just such a bad move from that perspective.
@@dracocrusherI think the brothel fantasy is supposed to signal that because of the sexual abuse her mind was affected to think this was ideal for her
Why does Zack Snyder always look like he is staring into the sun?
+Dan Slash like a boss.
+Занудный Лис
I wonder if he sneeze alot.
+Dan Slash Maybe the world is really bright to his eyes, too bright, and that's why he tones down all the color and light in his films.Maybe that's not just a vision... but has to indeed do with his vision. XD
Sabrina Dean
That makes sense
+Dan Slash Praise the sun...?
If only Zack could string together a coherent sentence every once in a while.
I know right?! Every interview I see him in it seems like he just got told he was doing an interview a minute before.
If you would suffer from bad social anxiety, dyslexia and whatnot. You would have trouble do the same.
@@The80sWolf_ if thats the case, maybe movie director(where you have to speak to large crews and then the press) is'nt the best career choice.
also it feels like his interviews got worse over time not better, you'd think it would be the other way round.
@@spiderjeranimo4992
Because directing movies has much to do with how you act in interviews lol. Come on, got any more bullcrap?
@Booper Dooper
But the dream world is part of the main story and pretty much the whole point with the movie, so that does not make sense.
I remember watching this when I was like 12 and being so confused that I was like " I gotta watch it to the end theres gotta be a explanation for all this!?" And getting nothing and just sitting on the living room floor feeling empty...
I find it visually interesting to watch at least???
It .might make sense high as fuck. Kinda most movies do then tbh. Just don't think about them after it wears off.
@@katttscratchfever I get it proably interesting but the way too cool action distracts even from it as good messy movie. And i dont find anime style girls for the sak of doing sexy anime scenes good? Which already i bad in anime when good doe at leat show agency or character or , something . If its good. Things can b ffanservicy and have a meaning.
"And I kinda like Zack Synder's directing style. Whenever he's working with someone else's ideas he seems to do a good job."
Then Dawn of Justice happened..
It seems that every time he writes a movie, it has major problems (with 300 being the exception).
BlueZapLewis Dawn of Justice is very much Snyder's own story based on characters someone else owns.
It's not like any of the other movies he showed were very good. 300 is fine, but Watchmen was a disgrace
BlueZapLewis Synder sucks. Only thing he's done for cinema is letting us see Eva Green nude. Other than the movie sucked, Watchmen sucked, Dawn of Justice sucked, suckerpunch was very mediocre.
He didn't even write 300 did he? Isn't it a Frank Miller comic? And even then, there have been movies based on the whole 300 spartans at Thermopylae legend, so the story itself isn't original anyway
I cringe so much whenever Snyder tries to explain something during interviews.
+AG TEX But they needed to go to the future because robots are cool.
+AG TEX He speaks like a guy who's in totally shock. His eyes say "Holy shit I can't believe they gave me all this money to make such an unbelievable mess."
+AG TEX I can't watch those interviews with anyone; directors, actors, producers... It's all bullshit anyways, they're contractually obligated to sell the movie.
+AG TEX Well you see, he sucks at explaining things because... the thing you have to understand is that when you are explaining something, certain things need to come together and he tries to put them together... but then the third and fourth worlds are just totally different. It's all about the tone ya know?
When I'm asked to explain my thoughts I just say: it's up for interpretation, because it sucks to be put on the spot to explain yourself, especially after you are relieved that you are now done worrying about making one of your ideas into a story.
No... just no. If you were to deadlift beyond your body's limits without gradually working up to that, you would hurt yourself really badly. Strength of will won't save you from your muscle fibers being torn to shit because you wanted to show off.
Btw the her form during the lift was pretty bad
I love how this movie took something as horrifying as sex slavery and forced prostitution and turned into a "wuwu GURL POWER believe in urself!!" shitshow
and by love I mean hate
M_MKULTRA I didn’t think of this movie like that and I hate this movie more now
I know your comment is 3 years old but I really didn't get that from this film. It's more lik "we're abused and we're looking for a mental escape so let's pretend we have power"
Because it's not an escape or a feeling of power to be a sex slave..
This movie's concept is squandered, because of coarse it is.
@@DCNRS90YT squandered beneath a nicotine-stained filter
"So, they gotta get fire, right? Well, where do they get fire? A... a dragon. Cuz dragons have fire."
3 seconds later
"So, yeah, so, naturally, uh, for the knife, they gotta go disarm a bomb."
That interview at 10:54 makes me laugh so hard. Zack's thought process is like a weightlifter directing a film sometimes.
Wow, listening to Zack Snyder stumble through talking about his own movie... I really get the impression he has no fucking clue.
+Ellie Gray I feel like before he speaks he inhales copious amounts of drugs.
+Ellie Gray You know he just wants to say "cuz it looks cool!"
This is the guy behind Suicide Squad and Man of Steel whose also going to be behind The Flash, Wonder Woman, Dead Shot, Suicide Squad 2, and Aquaman.
The future of DC movies doesn't look too bright....
dracocrusher I don't think Snyder made Suicide Squad
This film is creative, that is undeniable. Now for all those praising this film for it's ingenious intentions that somehow, only a few people got, consider this...
I painted a picture of a crow wearing a gold necklace at the base of a cherry tree with hands for its leaves. The crow is pecking at the bloody halo of a sleeping demon wearing the suit of a businessman.
The painting was meaningless, but you wouldn't believe the amazing interpretations that I got for it. For every piece of crap work of art, there is someone who finds beauty in it. I don't mind that you like it, just stop acting like the director was actually making something more meaningful, he wasn't. This was made for entertainment, unfortunately it wasn't entertaining.
I've done the exact same thing with poetry. Literally writing pseudo-intellectual prose, purposely with no inspiration or meaning behind it. And having people "interpret" the meaning always makes me laugh. Not like, mocking laughter, just at the fact that if people *WANT* to find meaning in something they will. **coughreligioncough**
TheBlarggle does it matter if the person writing it meant for it to have meaning? what about if the creator is long dead, will people know if they intended for it to have meaning or not? Chances are people wouldn't get the exact same intended meaning out of it anyway. So all we have is what we think a movie/poem/painting means, whether we saw it or made it. It doesn't make it any more valid if the maker agrees with you and had the same intended meaning or if every person on the planet agrees or disagrees with you.
What does matter if there is proof of the meaning.
Best intellectual conversation on youtube :o
Now I really want to see sleepy time business demon.
But art is supposed to have meaning. It's not surprising that people try to interpret a painting that looks like it has all sorts of symbolism tied to it. Surely, it meant something, whether it was just to have fun. It's not some random bag floating in the wind, but a deliberately crafted piece of art that took time, skill, and dedication to make.
Snyder’s interviews are always gold. Dude can never explain anything in his films 😂 he always looks up and to the right (a common tell).
trying to watch Snyder talk was straight up painful
TheMadisonMachine I get the same feelings from watching his movies too
Snyder suffers from social anxiety, dyslexia etc.
@@The80sWolf_ he also suffers from being a shit writer
@@The80sWolf_aww🤣
Zack Snyder really reminds me of George Lucas in his interviews just not making sense at all
Part of the reason why the story didn't make sense is because he did the same thing that David Cage does with his games; he envisioned a bunch of individual SCENES and different scenarios that he thought would be cool to put in a movie, and then he had to find a way to torturously contrive a story around those scenes he envisioned. When you write a story around various scenes instead of envisioning/writing scenes around a solid premise and cohesive story, the whole thing is almost inevitably going to come across as a completely non-sensical mess.
JonahtheMann I can't escape the Cage, not even in YMS videos.
"It's like poetry, it rhymes."
@@andrewr1858 I wonder how the guy got so much creative liberty. Sucker Punch was a bomb. Legends of Ga Hoole was a bomb. Man of Steel was divisive. He is now making his super ultra justice league cut. What on earth gave him power? It´s not like he directed an acclaimed box office hit like Star wars or Matrix.
Yeah. But look at the difference in the results. Lucas produced an enduring masterpiece (until Disney got involved, of course), and Snyder produced a pretty packet of $#!* that hurt my brain.
The quote, "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything." is actually from founding father Alexander Hamilton. So both this movie and the song you say it was referencing where both quoting a founding father.
So is no one going to address how one of the staff members at this insane asylum murdered two of the patients?? Like, did he just symbolically murder them by separating them from the other girls or did he actually kill them?
No one really die. All girls are Sweet Pea imagination. At the start you can see Sweet Pea on the stage, going to remove her memory. Then she decide to rewrite all her story. That she is the star of the show.
Yeah, "empowered" young women imagine themselves in pedo-bait makeup with pigtails in a sparkly, midriff/miniskirt sailor schoolgirl uniform and being called "Babydoll" while being made to work in a forced brothel. I was unfortunate enough to get suckered into paying real money to watch this incoherent shitstorm mess in the theater. That man is almost as incoherent at points of his interview as the film itself.
....And is that a fucking Silent Hill map at 1:55???
yes i think that is the silent hill map
Ryudenki well really it all happened when she was being stabbed in the brain after a traumatic experience so I doubt she would be having good dreams
I feel like it's all be much more clear if each world literally bled into one another at specific parts throughout the movie. That and constantly change little details about the scenes in her head, you know, food appears/disappears, amount of enemies fluctuates during fight scenes, even room layouts and colors changing so that the keen eyed viewers would know and be reminded that 'reality' isn't exactly all there.
One of the dumbest parts of this film is the fact that the sexual abuse in the film doesn't add anything to the story, themes or characters. It's just there for shock value and to force people to sympathize with the characters. It's basically somebody shouting down your ear "LOOK HOW HORRIBLE THIS IS! DOESN'T IT MAKE YOU FEEL SAD THAT MISOGYNY EXISTS!? CRY, DAMN YOU, CRY!!"
I love how the interviewer implied that Zack Snyder is an overgrown 12 year old.
It's funny cause these actresses think they're being empowered but really this movie is just a recreation of one of Zack Snyder's wet dreams
they were part of this project, it's their duty as much as the director to make people understand why they chose it.
Then he must have the worst wet dreams ever then. Considering there are barely any nudity, and the theme of the movie is about how women have been treated in psychriatic wards etc.
@@stevecheevers7337 Basically. I doubt any of them actually thought they were being empowered, that's just what they were told to say.
@@boobysr They thought "this is the film that will shoot my career into been a A Lister". You can see in their faces none of them really believed half the crap they were saying.
yeah it really sucks that they were probably paid to say "this is empowering!" when they know its not, there's literally nothing empowering about a sexy badass female character with no other redeeming qualities other than sexy and badass. and "oh she has a tortured past so... female rights!!" like what... no... that's not how it works...
There is nothing worse than a stupid movie trying to be smart. At least Michael Bay films know exactly what they are...
I don't know----in my experience, dolts almost always think they are smart.
Tony Midyett Michael Bay literally has said that he basically makes popcorn flicks that he knows will pull in cash.
Sousabird
He also said Pain & Gain was his art film masterpiece that all the dumb ones were meant to pay for.
WalterLiddy I haven't seen Pain & Gain so I can't really comment. Although I heard that his film The Island was critically well received but not commercially (haven't seen that one either).
Except Transformers 4, which took itself far too seriously and was hence utterly ruined.
The sexism thing was because they actually weren't powerful or did anything that showed they were strong. They hallucinate that they're shooting up zombies videogame style, but not a single female character in this movie stood up for themselves. Even the lady who's the dance instructor just shrivels up and hides despite knowing the girls are being abused (both physically and sexually, and eventually, killed). In one scene every woman except 2 dies while they cower in the hallucinated dressing room. Had 300 been about a man hallucinating the entire fight because he was too emotionally weak to do anything but sacrifice himself (and several others in the process) to get one person out of the situation alive we wouldn't think of him as empowered or strong; especially if they were hallucinating they were forced into prostitution in a brothel. The fact that this story is supposed to make the female characters look strong is laughable. That's where the real sexism lies, not in the superficial outfits.
The Bandog He actually described exactly what’s sexist about it (hence: male characters would never be considered “strong” or “empowered” if they literally did nothing through the entire movie outside of hallucinations, but because it’s women, Zack Snyder and every man watching this decided to champion it as some sort of female empowerment). If you look at it objectively, it is quite sexist-maybe not intentionally, but whatevs-and is far removed from movies like Mad Max and, dare I say, anime like Ghost in the Shell. But honestly, me and my friends (most who are girls) kind of liked it, mostly in the same way we like cheesy B horror movies or over-the-top action slop.
*instead of writing a comment, I’m writing a book apparently. Buy it in stores now*
Not sexist
"I'm not being influenced by anything subjective"
Oh boy, someone said that therefore it is true.
And honestly, a definition of bigotry that would allow the whole world to be remade with exactly the same actions, but without exact clearly stated intent of bigotry is worse then useless. It makes any discussion about "bigotry you insist can't exist" impossible.
I get what Zack Snyder was going for but considering the man is incompetent he created a mess of a movie. I think the problem is that the girls are barely characters and they’re so vapid they’re not memorable. They’re just hot chicks fighting in short skirts and also hot chicks in a brothel. The fact that they’re being exploited could have been explored a little more but it wasn’t which is very Zack Snyder.
His vision was Alice in Wonderland. What we got as a shitty mess. At least Emily Browning was hot.
Zack Snyder is that gym guy you knew in college who got really into anime and comic books but doesn't actually understand what makes "the classics" work on a storytelling level.
I bet he loves Youngblood and Spawn unironically. Like they have value. Or actually have thought put into them.
Errgh.
you mean spawn the movie or comic, because the comic is un-ironically a classic
At least gym bro has an interest in literature. Hand him Sandman, Preacher or Watchmen and watch that interest mature.
@@kenimaticjuggallo A Zach Snyder Spawn film would either be really good, or really good-bad lol.
Either way, it'd be entertaining as hell.
lol, and then Warner Bros. and DC comics saw it and were like, "Dis is da best direktar evar, leht dis giy mak ower moovees"
and the fans wept...
+Paulino Garcia Though, like Adam says, Zack Snyder directs other people's writing really well, if the writing is good. The problem? Man of Steel was written by David S. Goyer, who's probably the most incompetent and overrated writer who still gets a lot of work for some reason because he is lucky enough to work with good people.
+kurvos Well Goyer gets a lot of work mainly due to how quick he can churn something out, and he is really good at sounding smart to dumb people. I disagree with Snyder being a great director. I think Snyder is competent at best.
Well, he had already worked with DC comics before to make Watchmen. :P
+Paulino Garcia Watching this review really explains a lot about Man of Steel.
+Paulino Garcia He's alright
In terms of "offensiveness" or whatever, the only thing that kind of legit bothered me was the use of (implied) rape as like an "ooooooh spooooooky" gotcha 2deep4u plot device. I can't stand movies where the emotional brunt of the movie is "isn't it Scary when women are raped? Aren't you uncomfortable?? Isn't rape bad?????" because we already know rape is terrible. We don't need to be told. Movies which are unable to say anything new or interesting and aren't entertaining enough in their own right are not movies worth my time. (see: precious)
+Jane Do And, by the end, I kinda feel bad myself. The movie fetishizes Baby Doll so much that I feel dirty afterwards.
I understand that's how the world sees her, they only see a sexy piece of meat. But they literally show me a sexy piece of meat instead of a character!
^^^^^^yep
It isn't even an issue with character design, but with the fact that her only character traits are Sexy Crazy Girl.
+Malcom Chase what's even dumber is that the marketing concept of the movie was sexy female action character and her sexy female friends go on sexy and deep action adventures in the "subconscious". Did we mention it's sexy????
+Jane Do Exactly. Most of the time when someone mentions women being objectified, their a feminist complaining a female character is wearing a tight outfit or showing some cleavage, but this movie goes so far beyond the normal Hollywood standard of "everyone, male or female, is unrealistically hot" I just can't enjoy it. None of the female characters in this movie have any traits other than being hot.
Sully 1991 The most baffling thing to me is, there are PLENTY of feminists who claim this movie is "empowering" because they... beat people up I guess even though it's the most straight forward example of objectification I can think of off the top of my head. PoMo libfems who think wearing make up and "Slut Walk" are activism make me gag lmfao.
"I kind of like Zack Snyder's Directing style--whenever he's working with someone else's ideas he seems to do a good job"... Oh, just you wait, Adum from the past...
It got worse
@@supereero9 Zack snyder lost his touch unfortunately. It's like he literally forgot what was cool about his early films in the first place and we are left with only the weaknesses of his filmmaking
Zac Snyder weeaboo confirmed
Zack Snyder jew confirmed.
What is your 'weeaboo'?
''People are gonna constantly taking hits to the face'' She didnt lie, so many facepalms.
I just love when actors bullshit their way through interviews when they cleary know the movie is shit.
Two words, man: fetish movie. All the story is just an excuse to the director to put all those thing he most like. He said he was inspired by animé and it show, because just in animé could you see a woman in a mini mini skirt fighting with swords agains gigantic samurais. All the movie to me felt a little like Sin City, in the sense that they all about estetics, about how it looks, or at least like this all was thought to be a comic book. I actually was surprised to find out that it wasnt a comic book, but for what this is... is watcheable. The costumes are cool, the settings are fun. It doesn´t make any sense because it doesn´t intended to have it. Is just something to look at.
www.slashfilm.com/video-you-dont-understand-sucker-punch/
Watch it. You will understand.
You mean Sin City?
*****
I still like it.
***** So what you're saying is you didn't understand it and ended up not liking it because it wasn't just girls in slutty outfits fighting in fantasy environments but actually had a multi-layered story with very heavy-handed metaphors. Gotcha.
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Actually that is the very definition of deep, something that have many layers. I don´t say this movie is deep, I am just saying that is the defenition of the word.
I think the best word to describe Sucker Punch is 'confused'. Not 'confusING, but 'confused'. It doesn't know if it's dark or whimsical. It doesn't know if it's a dumb fun action film or a deep philosophical sci-fi. It doesn't know if it's a over-sexualized exploitation flick or an empowering feminist piece. It doesn't know if it's serious or tounge-in-cheek. It has some cool ideas, but none of it comes together to make anything coherent.
Confused tone is my number one complaint with modern films. Rom coms have an action subplot. Comedies have a dramatic undercurrent. Action films try to be philosophical. There are about five directors who can handle mixed-tone scripts, and all five are deceased.
And yet despite all this I still enjoy watching it unironically from time to time
@@SuperTonyony Mixe genre ar pretty norma, iman most media does fall in several, and comedy and drama ere always ar connected, usually drama is better with some (dark) comedy. And And comedy is best with serious stuf that just is told within a comedy, and that goes traight up to shakespeare always having a bit of both in some way.
Too bad it wasn’t intentional like Babylon. That’s what made Babylon work. He said himself that he wrote it as an R film but had to make it PG 13 so there’s your confusion.
Zack Snyder looks like someone pepper sprayed him the day before.
I like some of the aspects of this movie, including the OST (Browning's renditions of Asleep & Sweet Dreams are cool) and visuals (the costumes and backgrounds are kinda nice- as well as the fact that there's glances of Hot Damn, Jon Hamm, beautiful ladies, and so on), unfortunately, it just doesn't come altogether very well plot wise.
He definitely needs to get business cards identifying him as Hot Damn Jon Hamm.
That’s why i bought The Art of Film book and the OST, i hate Sucker Punch/Zack Snyder haters with a passion.
I think it's even more sexist that Zach Snyder thinks he can just make female characters without any character besides that they're badass.
Badass and sexy. Don't forget sexyness must be the main trait in a female character.
And S E X Y
Duesux Machinin What's wrong with that?
Nothing's wrong with it!
Duesux Machinin Good to hear it:)
Zack Snyder used Sucker Punch!
It's not very effective...
Adam used Review!
It's super effective!
I like Snyder and he certainly had an interesting concept, but I think this movie needed a lot more thought put into it
Rowan J Coleman he's not a good director
Tyranno - I think Snyder is a fine director, although he's one of those directors where you need to be ready to see a Snyder movie before you go, because his style is going to distract the fuck out of you otherwise (Robert Rodgriguez is similar - I like his movies, but I like them as Robert Rodriguez movies).
As a writer, though, I don't think he's all that great.
I went in thinking that the movie was going to a full fledged action film and it ended up being some terrible drama/mediocre action movie.
@@giancarloamaya1774 " I went in thinking that the movie was going to a full fledged action film and it ended up being some terrible drama/mediocre action movie. "
So the fault lays with you rather than the movie?
@@The80sWolf_ Those commercials and trailers were pretty deceiving, and zack synder didn't even know the fuck his own movie was about so I wonder whos in the wrong here.
12:40 what the actual FUCK is he even trying to say
He has no idea himself.
He’s saying he’s transcended video games by switching from 1 world to a 2nd world to a 3rd world that have nothing to do with each other & that the video game industry should aspire to do this because it was a huge success for his movie.
Zack Snyder's a hack. An edgelord teenager whose Mom dropped him off at Hot Topic and never picked him up.
Why dafuq did they turn her into a Japanese school girl...
To satisfy his fetish
It’s supposed to be similar to a manga
It make sense in the manga
@CG Vallejos 🤣
they look hot
Zack Snyder looks fucking high
He always does
*is
Derp13465256 he had to have been high when he wrote this
_"Whenever he's working with someone else's ideas he seems to do a pretty good job..."_
Oh you say that now but just wait.
Powerful and sexy woman?
What about Samus Aran?
+Stre Led why stop at Samus? There is a bunch in justice league, original dmc female roster, pretty much every single anime out there has one and so on... It's actually more of an annoying trope now then something unique xD.
+Stre Led Bayonetta?
AnimeFanFTW
Like the guy with a russian username said, there's many MANY examples.
I said Samus, because that's the one I had in mind.
We could also point out how Samus wears a standard Varia suit, there is no female variation of the Varia suit, it's just one variation. Samus is a good example of this trope due to the fact that her armor isn't designed to accentuate her curves, only her zero suit does that and even that's meant to work with her body contortions and protect her body from chaffing on the metal armor she wears, not to sexualize her.
Ditto, Master of Disguise it's still sexy tho )
Y'know what? Pan's Labyrinth does this whole thing better. At least when she faced danger in her (debatably) imaginary world, it was empowering because she had agency where she didn't in reality. It wasn't just done because it's cool- the entire damn film demonstrates the only real defense children have against the horrors they face in life. This film takes the best ideas from Pan's Labyrinth and shits on them. Also lobotomies don't work that way, good night!
I watched this a few months ago and its just literally made my brain cry. I loved the visuals but the story confused me so much. It was such a basic film yet it did so many tricks giving the illusion that it meant something. My brain struggled to piece it together. There was a lot of "symbolism" that left the entire story empty like. I cant even make my opinion make sense. I still struggle to explain how this movie made me feel. I just am so glad i was able to find somewhere to unleash this word barf.
"they decide the other girls will get an item every time babydoll dances because she's the only one who knows how to dougie" hahaha
When asked "what made you come up with these dream scenes" Zack Snyder should have said "Ninja Scroll, Call of Duty, World of Warcraft and I, Robot the movie mixed with the Matrix". Seriously, I saw the trailers for this movie and was like "Blizzard is soooo gonna sue them" when I saw that scene where the Horde and Alliance fights over baby dragons. I half expected a Hell world too with Diablo thrown in, since this movie seems to have tried to put as many references to games popular at the time as it could.
Swift Nimblefoot And while we're at it, let's add in some Wolfeinstien!
Swift Nimblefoot Man the dragon scene was literally Mordor complete with orcs. I looked at that and literally though, "Holy Shit, you better hope Peter Jackson never see this."
Don't forget to add Final Fantasy to the pile., the fight in the train looks so similar to the opening fight inside the train in Final Fantasy 13.
This just sounds like Zach had a lot of ideas and wanted to put EVERY SINGLE ONE in his movie.
Eventually turning it into a clusterfuck
imo it's more like he had a lot of songs on his ipod and favorite anime scenes that he thought he was a genius for liking because they're so ~cool and eclectic~
Is it just me, or is the plot eerily similar to Alice: Madness Returns? You know, with the girl in therapy because she thinks she killed someone but really plot twist happens?
That game was awesome.
Jericho Swain
never played it, thanks for the info.
Querty Beighteen The concept for this movie reminds me of Total Recall and Lost Highway with the whole "it was all a fantasy," angle.
The Disney Alice movie also includes some of that 'the characters exist in the real world' stuff.
Remembers this movie should have just been a video game
And now we have Batman v Superman and are fully aware that Zach Snyder cannot be trusted
*****
I am
And 'myself' is correct
*****
I'm sorry you don't like facts
*****
*your
Why would anyone trust a review by someone like you
*****
lololololol
holy shit
you are NONE of those things
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@4:16 how can you expect us to give a fuck about your movie when you *CLEARLY DON'T* . Its like his sober mind is trying to explain a script his "coked out of his mind" mind wrote.
9:51 - Huh? What are you talking about with the soundtrack? I really like this son--
9:56 - Ohhhh....wow... How in the hell can one movie screw up such an amazing song this badly?
If that song is in the movie then at least that’s 1 thing good about the movie. Most ppl are prob half asleep or chilling with their eyes closed by that point anyway. It’s a privilege to hear this song on any THX certified sound system.
The main character's actor looks like how I imagine a live-action Harley Quinn.
that's what I thought!
That would be a much better movie
+paddy hughes if they kept this general theme of real world vs fantasy world, but had it be Harley as the main character and there be HUGE Batman franchise motifs in the fantasy sequences, it'd be an incredible movie.
+TheLastHylianTitan Fuck you for making me think of a great movie that will never exist.
TheHoratiosvetlana Suicide Squad happened, but it was shit
Everytime Zack Snyder talks, I feel my brain cells dying.
Snyder seemed so awkward in the interviews, like he was trying to curve round awkward questions and answer in as sterile a way as he could. That implies to me the film was made for some odd fantasies of his.
I think you're reading into it, Duke.
He said it himself, the film is an homage to Heavy Metal. People are either going to like it or hate it but if you're a filmmaker doing interviews for your insanely expensive film that requires as many asses in seats as possible you're going to choose your words very carefully like you were running for office. Especially in this climate where people freak out over sex and violence in film.
Snyder suffers from bad social anxiety and dyslexia(among other stuff?) of course that affects him in interviews. Just the preassure in itself.
I kind of wish the worlds and imaginations we see in this film were the character's. Something that would make sense for this girl from this old-fashioned home. It makes sense that Zack Snyder would daydream about samurai and robots and dragons and girls trapped in a burlesque house doing sexy dances, but why would the character in the film? If this were as intellectual of a film as Zack Snyder thinks it is, there could have been a lot of things to set stuff like that up ahead of time. It could even be something as simple as some books on a shelf or a toy set. Maybe have the hallucinations or whatever mirror the actual world in some way like if her sister had been the one who died first and the mother blamed her for it all and had a bad smoking habit, the dragon scene could be a reflection of that somehow. No, that's probably a shit idea, but it'd be nice if the movie at least tried to have something of substance.
What do you know what females inprisoned in psychriatic wards daydream about?
@@The80sWolf_ Chances are that women imprisoned in a mental institution would probably fantasise about the world outside and the events that lead them to where they are, y'know like they were just saying in their comment.
@@thanatoast
And what do you take that from?
I have been in mental institutions and seen the creative work of those there, what drawings they have made and such. And that was no fucking way just "world outside events leading there", they painted monsters and fantasy beings.
You must have no clue whats going on inside these peoples heads.
That's how I deadlift, you know, 235 pounds. It's not muscle, it's will.
Yeah..... I'll let you know how lifting a tree out of the ground goes!
Zack Snyder: "I may have gone too far in a few places."
Eh, it's just that the whole concept is iffy. It's written by a man who doesn't seem to understand how women interact with each other and it just seems less like a female power fantasy and more like a movie for the male gaze? It's great that they try to save themselves from their situation but this movie isn't in a vacuum. This man intentionally wrote them in this situation where they are being controlled by men the whole time and in the end, she is lobotomized anyway. :/ How empowering
""It's empowering to see women strip dance in school girl outfits because.. reasons! /sweats and goes back to barely legal porn and writing scripts trying to get into the mind of women/" -Zack, probably
It could've been a very heavy and tragic movie if they portrayed the situation as tragic rather than EMPOWERING
Why is everyone still caught up on the idea that this movie has to be empowering? Its a cool movie but never one i would take seriously. I'm so tired of hearing people talk about scantily clad women like its just male pigs that enjoy the visuals, there is such a thing as lesbians. I'm a pansexual female and I enjoy seeing nice cleavage from time to time but I guess that automaticly makes me sexist as well. Women are told to embrace their body's and then when they do decide to show it off the body they're so proud of all the people telling them to embrace it turn around and call them sluts. Others may think differently but as I said this isn't a movie to be taken seriously. If you enjoy it cool. If you think it's stupid that's cool too.
Except this movie isn't supposed to be empowering? It's a really sad, dark story. Hence the Goth themed production style. Like seriously, the fact that all the actors and even Zack pretend like this film is empowering only shows America is riding a toxic feminism train. All women are supposed to be self-sufficient and independent, strong individuals? Fuck you.
@@IzayaV
"It's empowering to see women strip dance in school girl outfits "
We never see any strip dancing at all :P
I saw this film about a year ago and had already forgotten everything except Oscar Isaac's performance.
lyricsfromsweden Because that is the best performance in the whole movie. More than Scott Glenn. And Scott Glenn's awesome.
Smith Curry Pretty much, terrible movie though.
lyricsfromsweden he has a dance sequence in the film that got removed. Good singer
Anyone who says that men only saw this film to gawk at girls should probably, yes, acknowledge that we like 300 far more for the same content, good action and actual tension and spectacle.
Oh come on, we like 300 because the dudes are ripped and awesome. It's okay to admit that. It's all part of spectacle, always has been, always will be.
D. Poul Jack Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I agree with you :)
saw this pop up on recommends and I can't believe Sucker Punch is 8 years old now.
It really shows how little Zach Snyder put into this film, when he has no fucking idea how to talk about the damn movie!
basically shows that he just slapped his name on it and didn't really have anything to do with it... "girls fighting half naked? yeah sounds great, do what you want!"
I want to see a movie about those samurai statues kicking ass.
Every time Zach Snyder opens his mouth in an interview, it's just like film-related jargon he's heard other directors talk about. It's a sheer miracle he's actually in the movie-making business.
Why wasn't this a cross between Deadpool and Kill Bill? You know, like the trailers.
They tried to slap an oh-so-deep story on it
Seriously, if anyone wants to see this movie the best way to do so is skipping anything that's not the fighting hallucinations
Good heavens! Oscar Isaac went FAR in his career after this.
Zach Snyder put 10 minutes of thought, and his dick, into this movie. That's why even he cannot explain it.
It's a series of scenes that Snyder thought would look cool.
It's TOTAL $#!*.
It's funny listening to the actresses talking about how this film full of rape and abuse is empowering.
Great stuff!
Hey thats Stick from Daredevil!
Yeah. Thank god he got a much better role in a much better piece of media.
playing a kung-fu-esc mentor
I still can't believe I paid to see the movie.
My heart goes out to you. I still can't believe I paid money to see Dragon Ball: Evolution. I hope that makes you feel better.
jayops my god.
i feel bad for all of you...my deepest sympathies
Gianluca Bartalucci Someone get that man a pony STAT! He needs a drastic infusion of joy in his life IMMEDIATELY!
So would you say you wasted your time and your money on it?
4:25
Did he get *too* much inspired by Inception, or smth ?
Inception: 2010
Sucker Punch: 2011
Inception, matrix, Alice in wonderland, late night infomercials.
I wouldn't have minded how the women looked if the film actually felt like they were kicking ass with some stakes. It was 100% guaranteed they were going to succeed because, as was pointed out here, there was no real consequence to anything they did given it was a dream. In 300, there was real empowerment because they actually WERE fighting with consequences in the real world (or at least THEIR real world). In Sucker Punch I felt nothing for any of them because what was the point? I think that's where my issue lies. Not exactly with how sexy they were or whatever, but the fact that that was their only real defining feature: sexy women in dreamscapes.
They could have had fights in dreams they lost and affect their mental state negatively so that they need to do better in the next dreams, actually giving us stakes.
Fear Factor clip made this video 100x better. LOL
4:16 what the fuck are you even talking about zack. He himself is confused about this movie.
the film was sold as a feminist flick but ended up being a poor excuse to get women half naked and degrade them. That ending was super stupid just like the rest of the storyline. The only good thing was Oscar Isaac's performance
+Mer Feraine You are very stupid mein freind but I also think this is a shit movie. i'm very torn
NuhbLiDeUmph I don't know how that makes me stupid.
Mer Feraine It doesn't im bored
NuhbLiDeUmph that was unecessary
Mer Feraine Indeed
Seems like a movie that has a lot of style and very little substance. It's like one of those movies tell a friend about how cool something looked and then he asks you what it's about and you say I don't know but it looked cool. Zack's strongest points seem to be the more superficial aspects of movies, if it makes sense or not becomes secondary to the visual style of the movie.
Zack Snyder has literally said "Substance doesn't matter as long as it looks cool."
So your assumption is pretty much spot on.
TheBlarggle so he's like michael bay of mediocore movies?
Zack: BvS is like a comic book
Me: well, have you ever read a comic book?
Zack: Well, no.
Me: That's a weird thing to say then.
He just likes the pretty pictures.
I adore how Zack Synder is bullshitting his way through the interviews. 😅
Tarantino is the best at letting you know he doesn’t give af what you think of his movies while being just polite enough to keep you from talking sht about him.
SuckerPunch description: Kill Bill meets Alice In Wonderland meets Inception meets One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
...meets shit.
Tom Oliver I've never seen it so I can't say. But so far all of what I've seen, yeah, looks like an idiotic movie.
+Sayuri Kusanagi It is. It's also boring, badly acted, badly written, boring, pretentious, insubstantial, boring and boring.
Oh wait, one final thing! It's boring.
+Sayuri Kusanagi For someone who has never seen the film, I must say that your description of its plot is dead on. Comparing it to Alice in Wonderland and Inception is exactly what I did when I finished watching it (frothing from the mouth with disgust at the film), and your comparing it to Kill Bill just adds to that.
My girlfriend wants me to write a review for it on my website, but it's within the very few films I've ever seen that I never want to again in my life. By the end, I was completely disengaged and had more questions than answers; for a one-off film, that is *not* the response you'd be going for as a director, writer and/or producer.
Nitpick of the day: the trench-war scene refers to the first world war, not the second. So the girls did not fight nazis in that scene.
I watched the trailer for this film and I loved the style and action and really wanted to see it.... Then I actually watched it. Oh God.
As someone who has heard countless awful comments about this movie, the acting & pretty much knows exactly what happens as far as plot, I still think there’s a possibility I’ll like it just for the action & aesthetics. It wasn’t until I heard the knife being a literal bomb that I actually began to lose hope. But all of the concepts/fantasies/reasoning/plot/script aside, is it a good action film?
I think Sucker Punch would have been fine if they just stuck with like ONE fantasy world if they wanted to go that route, like it's not my favorite, but still why two?
Because Zack Snyder fantasizes about brothels & being a war hero. Gotta have both.
When I was younger I had a cd of this movie and I ate this movie up literally every day.
mr.director, it's time to put away the bong.
Seriously.. He didn't even understand his own movie.
velliebellie ikr :D
lol medical drugs made this film XD
X times Y equals NAR hahahahaha omg
:p lol
"If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything."
Is actually a Malcolm X quote. I knew it couldn't have come from either rappers OR Zach Snyder, it's too clever. My bullshit filter wouldn't accept it.
It blows my mind that there are people that like this movie.
What if you just watch it like you’re watching a 2 hour matrix training program?
I for one never thought the "brother" part were an imagination, that the girls quest to collect the different items to plan their escape from the "Asylum" were the reality.. and then they symbolically put in the kick-ass thematic action scenes as symbolic, metaphorical segments instead of just having a slutty dance. The different action scenes were just representative eye-candy for what was actually going on in the real-world. And I for one didn't have a problem with that concept at all.
The only problem is that it's overloaded. You didn't need the brothel part to frame the escape from the asylum if you were going to turn the brothel dancing sequences into metaphors for the dance which is actually them setting up the plan to escape the asylum.
You can have her sent to an asylum and have the metaphors be how they escaped or have her sold to a brothel and have her dances represent the various objectives they need to capture to escape.
Generally speaking one of the three elements aren't needed but the action sequences are the selling point of the movie so ideally you don't even need the framing devices because we'll be so detached to reality that it won't even matter what's actually happening. Especially if we only really find out at the end.
With the way they made this movie Baby Doll could have just hooked up to the Matrix. I mean why not?
Oda Swifteye The brothel setting is because that's what the place is "in reality", because the wardens were sexually abusing the patients, as it is shown in the end when the main antagonists tries to rape Babydoll. the "sexy dances" are just euphemisms, and the escape to a fantasy world serve to reinforce that they aren't dances at all. That's why they're not shown.
Mario Morales that could be true. BUT Suckerpunch just Shows a lack of storytelling Talent.
HOW the hell should i know that the wardens are Abusers? just like u said there is ONE Scene at the END of the Movie that Kind of implicaded that Theory.
there is a flying word in the Movie industry that says: "Show, dont tell" and for the most time These are true words. but SP just Shows and Shows and Shows.. but it tells NOTHING. and we as audience are free to guess what this all means.
i for my self like it if i have to strugle with a movie. if the Movie makes me think about its meaning then its a good movie. but on SP i just Dont get the grip. everything is just implied and vague. this movie has literaly no solid ground i could walk on. therefore: bad Movie.
"whenever he works with someone else's ideas, he seems to do a pretty good job"
>batman vs superman