i really dont know how to feel about van buren. alot of the design docs are kinda iffy especially the ghoul supremacists. however a modernized (of the time van buren would of released) top down fallout would of been lovely and mechanically its pretty great. honestly im glad it got canned because nothing good could come from its development history. the fo3 we got for all its faults is alot more realized and less out there than what this could of been.
@@amymorgan886 Ant here, honestly much agreed Black Isle studios despite making Fallout 1 and 2 both being incredible games but their next 2 games Fallout BOS and Tactics story wise are similar and there's reason we don't talk about those games, Bethesda isn't the best, but without them we probably wouldn't have gotten New Vegas, 4, 76, and the especially the TV Show
@@CreatorTheater_ WRONG. it would have gone to Troika which was made of Former Fallout devs. Bethesda used scum practices to get their hands on the license and have proceeded to GUT the Franchise. And dont get me started on the " TV" show. Its another bastardization is all i'll add. I want Bethesda to sell the license to another studio, Fire that **** up Emil, and GET BETTER Writers.
Fallout 3 under Bethesda was nothing but a rehash of the Plots from Fallout 1 and 2, Poorly Written and slapped on the East coast. I'd love it if Bethesda stopped f***ing up the Franchise.
@@MLPDethDealr32 my favorite fallout is fallout 1. I love the top down fallouts and wish they could of continued in that format. I do not think fallout 3 ruined fallout. im tired of delusional people pretending that fallout 3 is some god awful franchise killer when it literally brought it back from the dead. it has problems but its hardly as bad as the very very annoying side of the fandom makes it out to be. id rather a game that plays it safe and reuses older ideas to revitalize a very dead franchise over a game from development hell that would of likely put the final nail in the coffin. people seem to have forgotten the context around fallout 3 and it deeply bugs me. tbf however that's usually because they weren't there yet to understand why the game is the way it is. bethesda has its problems but they did the best they could with 3.
very interesting video, kinda wish the game got finished or at least was close since this is pretty cool....minus that middle section lol i typed this before hearin all that
Epic here, I do somewhat agree from a gameplay prospective it seemed like Van Buren was going to be really cool plus the first multiplayer fallout game, on the story side I think it would've been received about as well as Fallout 4 was since it does away with a number of the elements that make fallout for me personally, but that's just a personal take.
@@CreatorTheater_ yeah i agree with that, personally to keep it short i like fallout 4 i think its a good game in its own right but agree that the things that it took out made it not feel like a fallout game and more just a game based on it, using the world and some ideas but not feeling like a continuation. And as for Fallout 76 i just couldn't get into it, love the idea(like multiplayer and all that)but personally not the same and kinda creates its own issues with that. I hope if ever another Fallout game comes out it will be some blend of f03, fnv with fo4/76 graphics and be more like those games with a multiplayer story option then what they been doin now.
Fallout Tactics is a good game if you actually play through it. Id prefer the franchise get sold to someone else. As long as Bethesda maintains a grip, the writing will continue to go to sh*t, the rpg elements will keep getting sacked, and the franchise will be on life support. People say be glad Bethesda got the license.. Why should i be happy to watch a franchise i love continuely by R worded and gutted for what amount to Borg Drones.
Epic and DrivemeCrazy here, We're a little lost on what got you so heated about this video but we will put a small reminder if you watched the video we can say with a great deal of certainty Van Buren was going to flop and worse be about as good if not worse then Fallout 4's story, overly convoluted with little good execution, and honestly based on what happened with BIS, I don't think Fallout could've landed in better hands, plus we saved the original comment, the writers and actors on the TV show care a ton about the games and story, while 4 has done damage at the end of the day Fallout isn't a dead forgotten husk of it's former self. We think that is more important then having every single game be a knock out since at least it isn't dead and forgotten. You are entitled to your opinions but please don't just flat out say we're wrong on something that wasn't even the focus of the video.
@digger6843 Epic here, It's all down to personal taste but I do believe what makes fallout truly special, is the light tone it can have and the true hope of a tomorrow, many games and stories in the same style lack that, as well Black Isles have said in interviews they "learned" from fallout 2 which has a number of light jokes and dumb interactions, if you truly believe that New Vegas is just some "frontier' style game then I encourage you to take some more time to look into it and you'll see the cynical and grim wasteland of Fallout 1 is still very much alive in that entry same with Fallout 3 to a degree.
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i really dont know how to feel about van buren. alot of the design docs are kinda iffy especially the ghoul supremacists. however a modernized (of the time van buren would of released) top down fallout would of been lovely and mechanically its pretty great. honestly im glad it got canned because nothing good could come from its development history. the fo3 we got for all its faults is alot more realized and less out there than what this could of been.
@@amymorgan886 Ant here, honestly much agreed Black Isle studios despite making Fallout 1 and 2 both being incredible games but their next 2 games Fallout BOS and Tactics story wise are similar and there's reason we don't talk about those games, Bethesda isn't the best, but without them we probably wouldn't have gotten New Vegas, 4, 76, and the especially the TV Show
@@CreatorTheater_ exactly.
@@CreatorTheater_ WRONG. it would have gone to Troika which was made of Former Fallout devs. Bethesda used scum practices to get their hands on the license and have proceeded to GUT the Franchise. And dont get me started on the " TV" show. Its another bastardization is all i'll add.
I want Bethesda to sell the license to another studio, Fire that **** up Emil, and GET BETTER Writers.
Fallout 3 under Bethesda was nothing but a rehash of the Plots from Fallout 1 and 2, Poorly Written and slapped on the East coast. I'd love it if Bethesda stopped f***ing up the Franchise.
@@MLPDethDealr32 my favorite fallout is fallout 1. I love the top down fallouts and wish they could of continued in that format. I do not think fallout 3 ruined fallout. im tired of delusional people pretending that fallout 3 is some god awful franchise killer when it literally brought it back from the dead. it has problems but its hardly as bad as the very very annoying side of the fandom makes it out to be. id rather a game that plays it safe and reuses older ideas to revitalize a very dead franchise over a game from development hell that would of likely put the final nail in the coffin. people seem to have forgotten the context around fallout 3 and it deeply bugs me. tbf however that's usually because they weren't there yet to understand why the game is the way it is. bethesda has its problems but they did the best they could with 3.
very interesting video, kinda wish the game got finished or at least was close since this is pretty cool....minus that middle section lol i typed this before hearin all that
Epic here, I do somewhat agree from a gameplay prospective it seemed like Van Buren was going to be really cool plus the first multiplayer fallout game, on the story side I think it would've been received about as well as Fallout 4 was since it does away with a number of the elements that make fallout for me personally, but that's just a personal take.
@@CreatorTheater_ yeah i agree with that, personally to keep it short i like fallout 4 i think its a good game in its own right but agree that the things that it took out made it not feel like a fallout game and more just a game based on it, using the world and some ideas but not feeling like a continuation. And as for Fallout 76 i just couldn't get into it, love the idea(like multiplayer and all that)but personally not the same and kinda creates its own issues with that. I hope if ever another Fallout game comes out it will be some blend of f03, fnv with fo4/76 graphics and be more like those games with a multiplayer story option then what they been doin now.
Fallout Tactics is a good game if you actually play through it. Id prefer the franchise get sold to someone else. As long as Bethesda maintains a grip, the writing will continue to go to sh*t, the rpg elements will keep getting sacked, and the franchise will be on life support.
People say be glad Bethesda got the license..
Why should i be happy to watch a franchise i love continuely by R worded and gutted for what amount to Borg Drones.
Epic and DrivemeCrazy here, We're a little lost on what got you so heated about this video but we will put a small reminder if you watched the video we can say with a great deal of certainty Van Buren was going to flop and worse be about as good if not worse then Fallout 4's story, overly convoluted with little good execution, and honestly based on what happened with BIS, I don't think Fallout could've landed in better hands, plus we saved the original comment, the writers and actors on the TV show care a ton about the games and story, while 4 has done damage at the end of the day Fallout isn't a dead forgotten husk of it's former self. We think that is more important then having every single game be a knock out since at least it isn't dead and forgotten. You are entitled to your opinions but please don't just flat out say we're wrong on something that wasn't even the focus of the video.
I think I would prefer the cynical and grim wasteland of fo1 than some rdr2 style frontier game like fnv or some circus like the show.
@digger6843 Epic here, It's all down to personal taste but I do believe what makes fallout truly special, is the light tone it can have and the true hope of a tomorrow, many games and stories in the same style lack that, as well Black Isles have said in interviews they "learned" from fallout 2 which has a number of light jokes and dumb interactions, if you truly believe that New Vegas is just some "frontier' style game then I encourage you to take some more time to look into it and you'll see the cynical and grim wasteland of Fallout 1 is still very much alive in that entry same with Fallout 3 to a degree.
YOu do know that Obsidian was made of devs that MADE FALLOUT 1 and 2 RIGHT??? So where the F888 do you get the idea to compare FNV to Red Dead 2? WTF.