Why is the Most Advanced Japanese Car of its Time so Unloved? Mitsubishi 3000GT / GTO
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2021
- It should be a legend, it was 20 years ahead of the curve and yet the Mitsubishi GTO has never measured up to to other Japanese JDM legends like the Nissan R32 or Subaru Impreza. Is this because it is genuinely bad or is there another reason for this lack of love for one of the most significant cars of its time.
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THAT'S MY CAR! Was an awesome day filming. Thank you Jack!
Nice car mate, fair play to you for buying one.
Great car Dev. I was close to importing one back in 1995 but new job took me to Zurich and I missed out.
Really nice car.
Hi Dev. Lovely example of a brilliant car that only a few of us understand. I to have a mark 2 GTO and wondered who does maintence work on it for you.
@@davedewey868 Hey man, Westfield Motors in Rayleigh do most of the maintenance work. I get a lot of parts from Evil Empire, and the respray and most of the restoration was done by the Paint Shop Pros in Aylesbury. All awesome people who all made this car absolutely amazing
Had the US 3000GT VR4 version in the 90s when living in W Virginia - added bigger turbos and loved it. Great car - never had any reliability issues at all.
Whats the horsepower of that thing ? :D
My dad imported a red one from Japan back in the 1990s and drove it from Ireland to London. Says it was an absolute head turner.
I think back in the 90s, there was still a lot of anti-Japanese bias in the UK motor industry and they just didn't want to admit that so many Japanese cars were technically more advanced, with better standard equipment and generally better put together and more reliable. Pricing was also very attractive and even the styling was more in line with European tastes. It would be interesting to try and find a European car from that time and see how it compares in some of these areas.
I guess the BMW 850i, Jaguar XJS, Porsche 928 or Maserati Bi-Turbo (or Ghibli or whatever it was called at the time) would have been a comparable European car from the time? 🙂
@@TassieLorenzo Yes, if you ignore the price difference.
Yeah, The older guys were saying things like 'its only a Japanese car' so those old bias existed from an earlier time and I am sure it is like how I view Korean cars, They used to be crap and even though I know they are much better now I would not buy a Korean car and find it hard to find one desirable.
@@heilong79 I’m also a bit wary of Korean cars although a number of years ago a friend had a Kia Opirus that was a bit like a Mercedes E-Class and I think he said it had some Mercedes mechanicals such as the V6 engine. Quality was good and it was pleasant to drive but still I’d go for a Japanese car over Korean if I had the choice.
Back in the 90's when i was in my last years at Primary School, my Father was at the time a sales executive at the local Mitsubishi Dealership. Amazing cars and it felt the nuts being taken to school in one!
Have had one of these for over 20 years now. 1994, Twin Turbo, manual in black. Totally standard, still even has the original radio with CD multi changer in the boot.
Power is good, loads of torque, reliable, I've had to do virtually nothing other than service work, a rad and air con condenser in all that time.
The only down side is the weight, you'll very quickly find the limit of the handling, and the brakes are very much 'of their time'.
This brings back good memories thank you. I bought a 2000 year W reg UK spec Mitsubishi 3000GT in red when it was 5 years old with 21k miles. By far my best car I have ever owned and I had wanted one for many years. Sadly my wife persuaded me to sell it after 2.5 years and 12 years later I still miss it. A true GT legend.
This phase 2 looks so beautiful. I have always loved the way it looks and its low ground-hugging profile. This and the Nissan Z-300 look like supercars for the not-so-rich general public.
Wish they carried on making this.
300ZX (Z32) and 3000GT are very advanced compare to other JDMs
The clue is in the name, GTO = Gran Turismo Omolagata, it's a sports tourer, not a race car. They couldn't use that name outside of Japan because of the Pontiac GTO, hence the 3000GT. I have two of them and they're nice motors. Handling wise, if the suspension is set up 'correctly', not as many places wrongly adjust it, the car handles very well. The secong tub does not cut in separately, they both work at the same time, hence one for each bank of cylinders.
I absolutely agree with the steering.
I own a 1992 VR4 with only 34k miles on it.
All the gadgets still work perfectly including the ECS system. I've also driven one with traditional coilovers on it.
The coilovers are nice, better than being stuck in 'Sport' mode, but when the ECS system is functioning as intended, the car rides and handles fantastically!
Most examples on the road no longer have their ECS functioning and I think this helps give the car a more 'meh' reputation in the handling department than it deserves.
You've really got to judge the car on how it drove when it was new, because if you get the chance to drive one that's still so new and fully functioning, it really is a different feeling.
I owned a 1995 UK spec. 3000GT (not to be confused with the GTO) for 14 years. Purchased in 2001 for £15000 from a main Mitsubishi dealership. The car was one owner from new, I replaced my Toyota Supra.
The Mitsubishi was superb, tons of power, fantastic acceleration (0-60 in 6 sec.) Great handling due to the active suspension when set in sport mode & the four wheel steer caperbility.
The car went around corners as it was on rails. The top speed was limited to 155 mph (don't ask!)
Problems?
The only major problem I had was having to replace the power transfer box... it was not cheap!
In 2015 due to circumstances I traded my 3000GT. After lovingly looking after the car for 14yrs with no expense spared, there's not a day passes that I don't regret doing so! 😢
A truly superb car.
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Had a mitsubishi GTO MR Japanese spec model a few years back, rare car that was a stripped back racing model ( no FWS, aero spoilers etc ) Only sold in Japan when new..it was freaking awesome, looked a million dollars in gloss black, never missed a beat in the time I had it..stopped the traffic with its looks, wish I still had it now ,but got made a cash offer I couldn't refuse
Thanks for the look at that Mitsi Jack, I wasn't even aware that they'd produced anything like that, don't think I be ever seen one here in Australia. A very "ahead of it's time" car.
Sydney here, with a Gen1 GTO. There are not many of us but there are a few downunder. There was even a 3000GT made for the Aus Market.
Interesting and enlightening review Jack. Thanks. I wasn’t aware of the tech on this car, one which has slipped under my radar over the years. It is amazing for it’s time. I have a certain rear-engined German sports car from 2017……one with with 4wd, 4ws, active aero and twin turbos. But that particular model of the evergreen German was introduced very many years later than this car, which Mitsubishi was putting all that tech on in the 90s. Made me think, that.
Nice machine.
I worked in the service department when these came out. Me and a guy did the pick ups for our customers. Driving these, VR4 and the GSX were some really fun times. A few of the Boeing engineers had gumballs on theirs and did SSCA trails. All the upgrades were dealer installed. Boost controllers, Getrag upgrades, extra coolers we did two cars with everything.
Thanks Jack, another awesome video, keep them coming
On the reliability, here's a little indication. I worked at a Mitsubishi dealership in '95. We sold mostly Eclipses, Galante, Mirages, and the odd truck. Very seldom a 3000GT. But if you went around to our service department, more than half the cars being worked on were 3000 GTs. It really seemed that if you bought one of these it would spend a great deal of time with the mechanic.
I serviced and maintained one for a local farmer for years up until his stroke,a fastidious obsessive when it came to the car. He gave up using his Mitsubishi dealer after coming to the conclusion that they,in his own words, "Didn't show it the respect it deserved", even with the very little use he gave it the service intervals alone were in the realms of a rally team😁, being canny he had amassed a raft of new genuine and now many unobtainable parts over the years too,which alone were worth thousands! In those 17-18 years in my care the only issue was an intermittently faulty interior light switch,causing a drain and occasionally the blower motor would stick from lack of use,a quick well placed thump cured that though and he said the radio was replaced under warranty after it packed up on the day he collected it brand new.He vetted all the prospective buyers,those he chose were brothers, both ex Mitsubishi techs from that era.I believe that If you own such machinery or its peers nowadays you really must be able to do a bit yourself or be loaded,they can and likely will at some time cripple you otherwise.
Probably because how complex the VR4 is and people who buy these car aren't gotta baby them
I do plan on buying a SL model soon
@@Undertaker93 not trying to dissuade you, I might get an SL myself, but I was talking about the SL model. Our lifts were always full of SLs. I dont think we ever sold a VR4, though we did have a beautiful Pearl Yellow VR4 in inventory for awhile. Scary fast.
I just bought a 93 VR4 and for the first 6 months, it was on a jack stand while I performed all required maintenance. This car is a pain to work on but I love it.
I beg to differ. I have daily driven a 92 twin turbo for 13 years & it has never left me anywhere. If you take care of it, it takes care of you. It's a fantastic machine. Most people can't take care of their civics let alone a car of this caliber. The car gets a bad rap because of careless owners frankly.
I remember when one of these GTOs back in 1992, was speeding down a big long straight section of road (Thomas Lewis Way) that takes you into Southampton, the car hit a dip section in the road that is still there at around 100-120mph and bottomed out and lost control and then literally took off and flew over the left side fence and landed on the adjacent railway track line and exploded pretty much instantly killing the two inside the car. My friends Dad was an electrical engineer for the railway who got called out that night.
The Mitsubishi GTO is right on par with the Toyota Supra, Nissan Skyline, Nissan 300ZX! I have been daily driving one since 2003! My current version is a ‘95 GTO AWD ATX TT with paddle shifters and 19T turbos that make about 600hp on 93 octane! Mitsubishi should have used that size turbos from the factory… By the way, the actual horsepower of the 1st generation was 300 and the second generation came with 320. However, the Gentleman’s Agreement in Japan had all manufacturers declare 280hp as their top power level. For that reason they all underreported their power numbers.
How does your 1995 car shift with paddles?
@@JoJoJoker,
I have installed a Forced Four shift box to control my ATX. The paddle shifters connect to that box.
@@IlianNachev That’s really cool! I assumed you added a sequential manual or something.
@@JoJoJoker ,
Thank you! It is probably the only one 3/S in the world that has paddle shifters at the moment. There were a couple of other ones, but I am not sure they are still on the road.
Thanks Jack for this, I’ve seldom seen any press on this car and it’s totally under the radar. Looking at the attention 200SX, 300ZX, skylines and Supras get it hard to believe the technical marvel that is the Mitsubishi is so overlooked.
I think the biggest issue for the GTO is it doesn't actually excel the best in any one category. All of the other 90s Japanese sports cars more of less fill a particular niche and as a result attract people who want that particular niche. The GTO doesn't have that. The only area you could say it excels at perhaps is technology for its time. But the issue there is that doesn't age well. A great engine or chassis is timeless, great technology becomes antiquated and obsolete very quickly.
Having said all that, I still really like them, and I'm literally saving up money right now to buy one, if I can find a clean MK1 that is.
Removed all the unecessary tech off the GTO, and it will fly :)
Great cars, ive allways had one, and currently have a very late 99 model, and previously had an R reg 97 which was my daily for over 5 years and never went wrong once!!!
I also think its one of the Best designs to come out of Japan from all angles they look superb till this day!!
Jack. Top marks for the video. Lots of great info on a forgotten car. I worked in Tokyo for much of the 90s and saw cool cars ages before they hit the UK. Yet still most Japanese coveted a German or British car. I think Jack in Japan would be a great series.
Great review, very much the under dog, extremely interesting car , always loved them since the first time I saw one 👍
I loved the 3000GT and the Nissan 300ZX in the 90:s.... both still looks really good!
I think the price was also a factor in why they didn't sell very well, They still have a strong following I know.
Thanks Jack I enjoyed the video.
None of them were bad cars but when you have the nsx and r34gtr it's kind of in the shadows. If you ranked them.
1 nsx
2 gtr
3 rx7
4 supra (3/4 are so close that they could easily swap)
5 300zx
6 gto
What a list, the 2 at the top are next level but really there isn't much between the rest. They all look good, great power, handle well and all very tunable. We were spoilt then.
... and if you couldn't afford those... Probe GT/MX-6, Prelude, Corrado.
Tried several of these out twenty-odd years ago, they all felt disconnected. One of the dealers had a Nissan 300 ZX Twin Turbo, tried it out and it was like night and day, the thing fitted like a glove. I loved the muscular looks of the GTO but it was really only for parking up. So I purchased the 300ZX.
Saw a really nice one of these on the road yesterday ironically! The oddest thing about them is having a transverely mounted front engine in a car of that shape.
Older video I know but awesome video I’m about to buy one of these with the 6 speed and quite excited about it. Definitely going to look into some mods for it. I know they are heavy cars but if I want quick I have others for that. I just like the styling and in my area you rarely see one.
3s was always one of my realistically obtainable dream cars ever since I was a kid playing GT1 and it monstered pretty much everything else and looked damn good doing it. They are more of a highway bomber than a car for tight technical roads/courses, not that they don't do well there as well, but it's not their strong suit. I've had a 93 vr4 for about 7 years now, unfortunately sitting for most of them after wrecking it(Insurance low balled on the value and repair estimate was high, eventually gave up fighting and took the payout knowing it would sit for yrs...), but it's finally getting body and paint about to go back on the road looking better than when it left the factory. They get a bad rap for reliability imo, I was daily driving mine including frequent cross state trips and the only time it let me down was a brake line blowing out because the PO drove it in salt and didn't keep the rust at bay well enough, and a heat shield falling off the exhaust for the same reason.
Please keep these cars under wraps, I've been wanting to buy one of these for a while now (I'm literally saving up money for one).
They're the last 90s Japanese sports car that is actually somewhat affordable.
It's no secret we only got dsm left I'd buy one quick goodluck
Same here, my goal is to save up to one of these for my first car. This is my FAV JDM and always wanted one when I heard of it
Hi Jack...I had a Stealth Twin Turbo from new in 1991...and then two Mitsu VR4 TT.... wow....
Great channel, you present very well, the footage is excellent, the camera likes you!
Very kind thank you!! Not sure it loves me but still!
The 'active' suspension just adjusted the shocks...springs were too soft and it sat too tall. Rod bearings were weak and the transmissions, though by Getrag, had terrible synchros....Seats were INCREDIBLY HEAVY, replace with lightweight buckets and do a rear seat delete and the car comes alive....Front and rear struts braces really help too.....
Glad you mentioned grand tourismo. This car was the one to have, fully upgraded it was near 1000bhp and pretty undriveable
That thing is stunning, Jack. I used to play Grand Turismo on the PS2 back in the 90’s and always got this car and specked it up with upgrades and it’s was seriously unbeatable, never lost a race. Always wanted to own one but never got the chance to. Interested to see how many there are still registered in the U.K.
Thanks for that, when you did the jiggly cut I thought you crashed and I spilt my coffee 😀
It might well have been “tech overkill” but here in Australia it arrived at the same time as we got 110 R32 GTRs imported here by Nissan Australia. They were similarly priced. The GTO/3000 GT stood no chance and almost none were sold here. I don’t think it helped that the GT-R had already acquired it’s Godzilla name (thanks to Wheels Magazine, Australia) and had slaughtered the opposition in Australian Group A racing, where the GTO was not raced at all here. So that kinda stuffed the street cred of the GTO. Still, the GTO is a rare car indeed these days
Never go into racing ? Really ? Have you seen the PUMA Racing 3000GT N1 ? That thing wiped the floor on cars with double the horsepower
Loving these history lessons Jack always thought they were a cool shape and could almost go for one just for the sound
I had a friend here in the states who bought a new full up 3000GT and he didn’t like it at all. Not sure why, could have had something to do with a pretty poor US dealer network. But as I recall he kept it for a couple of years and traded it in for a Supra, which he loved and still has. Thanks for the video review.
The weight thing is dead on.. I had a 92 Rx7 back in the 90s and a friend had one of these and they are night and day in terms of agility and driving experience.
Back in the 90s I remembered seeing one. never forgot that moment, impressed me so much. And it was the fastest car in Grand Turismo.... so absolute legend on my book
I remember these being on sale and the spec sheet was very exotic. As you said it's weight was part of the problem.
I'm not really into Japanese cars but the 1990s was a fabulous time for Japanese sports cars. Be that more affordable cars like the MX5 and MR2 right upto the halo cars that every Japanese car manufacturer seemed to have back then.
You hit all the relevant points about this car's character, Jack, well done. At roughly the same time as it came along, a group of other cool cars did as well. There were the Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo, the Supra Turbo, the RX-7 Turbo, the BMW 8-series, the MX-5 Miata, and Honda Prelude Si V-TECH, to name a few that 'dethroned' the C4 Corvette, Porsche 944, Honda CR-X Si, and others from the 1980s. The 3000GT VR4 (equivalent to the 'GTO', I think) was an enigma. I see it now as a conceptual cross between a Porsche 959 and a BMW 8-series, but rendered in typical high-quality, affordable Japanese form. All the Mitsu and Chrysler variants -- mostly base, FWD, non-turbos -- sold like hotcakes here in the US, but then they all vanished off the road within just a few years. No respect given, whatsoever.
Awesome cars, not fun to work on tho. I had the Dodge version here in the US. Sold it within a few weeks of buying out of fear of it breaking 😂
Theyre actually easy to work on. I have 3 Stealths and 2 3000GT's currently, and love them all. Been driving these cars since 2007, but oogling them since about 92.
@@Mortimusmoose someone I used to work with who worked on these when they were new went on a rant about how difficult they were to work on. I suspected he knew what he was talking about. Plus I made some money when I sold it.
Back then they were probably about like working on a Corvette (C4/C5). A lot of stuff under the hood. Now, lol....they're a breeze to work on when compared to BMW, Nissan, etc.
The Galant VR4 was similar, amazing tech, great to drive
One of my all time favourites. All because of Gran Turismo
Indeed it was, it gets more power than the GTR and Supra when max out, also theres the LM version which is OP as well
Absolute unit
I owned a 1991? Silver twin turbo GTO, had it for 3 years, a few mechanical problems including fuel pump failure and some other stuff I can't really remember now, the repair bills were always a worry. When I needed a new exhaust the cheapest quote I could find was 500 quid, so that was basically my decision to sell it, there were a few other little mechanical issues that I also didn't want to spend a lot of money on.
I loved the car, but as a daily driver it was a bit too much, I also had a 88 non turbo supra, and a 95 ford probe. Interestingly the ford probe was by far the nicest to drive, most reliable and really good mpg.
obviously the GTO was much much faster, but I never felt confident in the GTO to drive it around corners at a good pace- its like I didn't get enough feedback through the car to know when it was at or near its limit of traction, and that made me nervous to drive it like perhaps it was designed for. The ford probe although much slower felt so much more nimble and had great feedback to the driver, like I could feel the asphalt through the steering wheel.
Have wanted one of these for ever, way more desirable to me than a Supra/Skyline etc. To cap it all, it looks absolutely fabulous!
You Diamond, another oddity ive always liked.
As you intimated...'what a hell of a car at the time it came out' Fantastic sports car, fantastic review
These things came in FWD primarily in the states, some came with AWD. The main problem with these cars is that they have a glass jaw trans, engine is not exactly Stout, you can build up massive power but they become fragile. These tend to crab their way through corners. The issue is this car tried to be everything and does everything poorly. The 1st and second gen eclipse was a better car to build here. The legendary 4g63 can pull in excess of 1000hp when built. And they handle better.
Glass jaw trans is not particularly accurate. More accurately, Getrag intially refused to supply parts (bad rep part 1) then Mitsi specced the wrong g/b oil in a few service docs (GL5 kills the brass synchros), bad rep #2 and folks started noticing that you could get 1100HP+ out of these....and DID, and that stressed the bell housing and transfer case when launched hard repetitively (which, of course, you'd never do when you have 1100HP ;)...nope...never lol)...kinda finished the whole reputation of both the Getrag 5 and 6 speed (especially if the splines were left unloved, and became rust grinders).
Club members have these with many many HP under the hood (there are some big single turbo kids around) running the original box with a brace, GL4 oil and having very good runs.
They usually get "getrag rattle" (caused by the selector fork buzzing on the back of one of the synchros)....there is an online vid on how to fix that internally....I just used a spring to hold it clear (10 min job and almost free....surprised that nobody else has done this akaik.)
Such a cool car. Tavarish has one ans he done a video about it and how to sort the suspension out :)
the reason the 3000GT/GTO is so underrated is because they sold more with the 3000GT name and less of the GTO name. The other reason is most of the 3000GT/GTO was VERY expensive as the VR-4 model was sold for 49,000 USD in 1992 making the car very rare in some spots.
Always wanted one of these.
To be honest these were amazing but it had two main issues.
1. R34 GTR
2. Mk IV Supra
That and it didn't really have any motorsports heritage compared to both of those, plus the EVO was always the baby.
today you cant compare it to r34 or supra really. They became colletor items for millionaires, while average person can still buy and enjoy 3000gt
Those 2 kind of cars are for wankers
The 3000GT has a race version called the N1 from PUMA Racing, its a monster on track, capable of taking down JGTC and GT3 cars
Beautiful and quite rare car, it's a sort of hidden in the soil truffle that you are happy with if you find one
Ive Own a 1991 gto twin turbo for about 5 years now and done a fair amount of road and track driving. like you said about the Corning it's not bad at sharp Bends at low speed but trying to carry speed through any sort of corner the car will loose grip very easily and start to slide (down to the weight) I've also got a 1993 Rx-7 fd which is the complete opposite really in every way of the GTO but I still think the GTO is my favourite out the two.
I had a VR4 back in the day. What a machine. That of course evolved into the evo lancer . Only fault with the VR was a tiny fuel tank.
Mitsubishi had so many interesting cars in the 80's and early 90's and now they are pretty much dead, selling only low end junk
hey, yes they're low end but, it could be worse
Mitsubishi makes good trucks tho
I have one, had it thirteen years, now on 19T turbos and its a beast would not swap it for anything else I can afford.
Had a 91 registration model. Very quick, but annoying lifter tick problems got on my nerves so sold it. Could be a future classic.
Knew I recognised that road, hope you asked a certain Harry for permission to use that road 😂😂😂 do love these cars,
Still looks modern I think it looks better than all its rivals, very rare to find a good example.
Nice episode. Can you mount your camera where you don't have to keep taking your eyes of the road? Making me nervous, especially on our wonderfully bendy roads😃
Was just thinking the same! Will see for next vids!
Always wanted one of these
Just watched and not sure if anyone else commented from the states but we had Many options with these and most were non turbo front wheel drive including the dodge stealth. Only the Mitsubishi vr4 and dodge stealth rt had twin turbo and options. Most of the obese we had were base models but still looked cool for the time and even today.
Still a few of these floating around here on the roads in New Zealand 🇳🇿
To put the 3000GT/GTO in perspective, only a few years before Porsche introduced the 959, which pioneered most of the innovations, and it was a high-dollar supercar.
My god I have been saying this forever. What kills it is the front wheel drive standard ones. I want one so bad and always did. I feel you. As a teen this was the car to have.
Always loved the 3000GT after I learned of it from a Quartets deck of cards as a kid. Maybe I _should_ start looking if an affordable one surfaces… 🤔
Love the video. Just something to correct :) It's not sequential turbos. The full fat version is called the vr4. The front wheel drive variants were available everywhere the vr4 was, afaik.
What does "the VR4 was, afaik" mean...its nonsense
@@richardsmith9509 afaik= as far as I know.
Vr4 was the American twin turbo UK 3000gt tt import was GTO tt all manuals all 4x4 4 wheel steer the auto were not turbocharged most not 4x4 ..
@@garyford5536 I have a UK 3000gt vr4 (RHD) that was sold from a dealer in UK. But yes most of them were called GTO outside of the US. Anyway my post was just to correct that it was not sequential turbos :)
We had one at BCA in 2020 from Bristol Street Motors. I was lining up the sale that it was in. It was very clean, drove very nice, less than 100k on the clock. The very next day lockdown hit us ( March 23rd 2020 ) the reserve was £1,700 not sure what happened to it I was furloughed
I know someone who had one of these and a R32 GTR. He said that the R32 was the more track focused of the two, where the 3000GT was a comfortable weekend getaway cruiser.
I own a 3000GT and stock he's right.
R32 GTRs are dull and cheap af
@@hybridAbsol are you even old enough to have a license?
@@carseyeadmire im in my 20s here
@@hybridAbsoland I'm sure you've driven them all.🤦♂️
Ooh, this is a bit different and out of the blue. Always found these a bit "meh", but I'm not entirely sure why! Great review, keep 'em coming 👍
Presume there's no turbo lag because one turbo is for low revs, one for high
The Stealth wasn't even re-bodied. It was the same basic car with slight differences in the bumper covers. I sat in one of these back in the 90's when I was shopping for a car post university. I'm 6-4 and my head was almost touching the headliner. Any bump would have had me bouncing off the roof. In the US the top spec was the VR4, which was the twin turbo, AWD, 4-wheel steering version. It was a competitor for the Supra, Corvette, and Nissan 300ZX. Personally the Nissan was my favorite at the time, especially the 300ZX twin turbo.
interesting I have always wanted to drive one
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The grip this car has is unreal in the wet , great fun in the snow if you want to practice the Scandinavian flick. All in all a really fast and reliable car, change the suspension for a bilstine set up because old suspension is worn out.
I remember seeing one of these in Romsey in the 90s and it was badged a Dodge Stealth.
I have a 1991 3000GT VR4 and it is absolutely awesome. I do not find the weight any problem at all. I cannot say enough good about this car.
Love these cars…one day ill get one
i work at maccis and have one, can have anything if u put mind to it
Its not Unloved by Real car people
But unloved by the ones who came into the car scene the day they saw Fast and The Furious
I always wanted one of those
Had a gto mr 1997.sold it for 4K .4 years ago ... loved it .. but another regret selling it
My brother bought a brand new red dodge stealth r/tt and had it shipped over to europe. Amazing car! I also prefer the stealth roof line over 3000gt.
As Supras become more and more out of reach, these cars will strt to go up in value
Maybe but very slow, the gen 4 Supra Turbos are a joke, its only hard to get becuz of that stupid movie franchise not its racing heritage
One of these in white on a J plate round the corner from me..Looks in decent enough condition..Parked on the road but not moved in years..
Shhhhh....that'll put the price up and I don't want that until it's time to sell mine (when I can no longer lower my old ass into my car). I've had my Twin Turbo about 10 years and it's been very reliable. Just maintenance items...so I'm pretty happy :) I got it when it had very low Km and have slowly chugged her up to 117K km. Looking forward to making her a bit more perfect over this holiday break. Maybe keep her 2-3 more years before I progress to an old-man's car (SLK 171 350AMG?... has some pep...bit of a hairdresser's car tho....Hmmm)
Whatever you do Geoff, please don't buy a Jeep.
i been looking to get one of these fora while
"All the things we come to expect today" lol, tell that to my van!
I almost bought one of these in highschool. But ended up deciding on a 300zx.
Think these are a bargain for such a distinctive and interesting spec car. If I remember they was sold in UK as 3000 GT's GTO everywhere else.
Without the stock struts it's hard to give a fair critique of the handling. Especially when stock has electronic control settings
GT game had the 3000GT handling much better than the dodge stealth which was more rear end torque causing more tail wag. This was a fun car to drive and it was consistent in the game, a confidence builder withing the racing circuits.
Remember a time when these would crop on in the classifieds at the back of Practical Classics or bargain section of Autotrader for a couple of grand. Sometimes less.
Ahh I wish I still had mine, was the second car I owned after my Celica was written off. Loved driving it and I got it for dirt cheap, but the service costs were too much for me at the time. Sold it to a mate and he put it into a tree about a year later 😖
When I was stationed in Germany back in the 90’s an army mate px’d his Tommi Makinen Evo for one of these. An official UK car too. To this day he regrets it, even more so with the mad prices now.
I seem to remember that the general consensus was that there was too much to go wrong and that it would cost too much to put right.
Probably the most comparale technological competitor of its era was BMW 850 CSi with EHK RWS....Nissan 300ZX was pretty close too but wasn't loaded with "Batman-car" gadgets so much.
If there are turbo issues, I read somewhere that it's an engine out job to fix it. Is that right ?