same for me) Tried barb, druid, sorc - nah, my minion necro is always the way to go. Will later try centipede spiritborn, but minion necro is sure a priority
@@JINQ_vy yeah. I always wanted blizzard to give minion necro more options - like new minion skills, new minion variants (still no reanimate skill (-_-) ), minions skins for better looks. And they treat necro like mage. That is sad. Well, at least the 6th season would give us more fun with minions. Looking forward to it.
When i played early seasons i played it for the minion build, necro is about summoning, about minions, yes there are alternatives, because the minions are poor in S5 for infernals. I do think this will be my go to class after spirit class fun wears off, followed by Druid. I always play 3 in the end, i expect a rebalance of spiritborne in S7 making it standard compared to everyone else, so will go back to what i love playing, Druid, necro…then waiting for my Paladin to come!!!!
Excited for my plan for a shadow explosion build with shademist, x'fal's, morticrux, unmaker and shadowblight. Not sure how powerful it will be but there will be instances of shadow explosions all over the screen and that's what I want.
Question for the necros, I’m just coming back to D4 for the new season and am interested in playing a summon necro. I’m not familiar at all with the play style. Will this build (in the video) play well for a casual? I’d like to try Ubers and try to get my first mythic. Would I have to start as a summons and respec into a different build? Not a big deal, just wanted to know what I’m getting into.
One of the most casual friendly builds is absolutely a minion necro build.. all you have to do is to position yourself to escape incoming attacks..minions do the rest bro..dont worry.
Yes, necro is very beginner friendly. Just begin to follow the linked skill and gear guide, and over time you’ll become totally accustomed to the class and its playstyle. Don’t sweat the details too much, have fun and if you begin to feel burned out or overwhelmed: remember, that you don’t have to work the build to perfection in order to already kick some serious butt and have a great time 😊
@@scottymaddox7753 In season 5 that was definitely true. But, how can you be so sure, that with all the necro buffs and changes for season 6, it is still not an endgame build? We have to play the new meta to find out.
Tbh I'm more of a blood/overpower necro. It's a slow start but it ramps up real quick when you get your paragons in. Trying minion necro for the first time today
You are my go to source for builds. You do an amazing job and really make understanding why you have made the choices you have really clear. When I use one of your builds I feel more comfortable experimenting because I truly understand the build.
@@P4wnyhof Honestly the most fun I had was last season with sorc. It was so op that I just speed run pit 100... lightning spear killed everything before they even spawn on my screen. was funny that run through pit without seeing mops.
Kalan's Edict att speed bonus never showed in the stats menu. I hope they fixed that. Made it a pain to know whether my max att speed for Cult Leader was reached. (Although with Mendeln, it may be worth it to go as high as possible with att speed to trigger it as much as possible?)
Just remember that the bonus for skeletal mastery only impacts the explosions from skeletons, etc... For Great Feast all you need is one essence per second roll and masterwork the item to 8 and you always have enough to cast skills
That is factually wrong depending on how heavy you actually spam your core skill considering that we are having tons of attack speed :) Great Feast ain't bad iam simply not a fan
I feel like minions are a little boring to play personally, so just looking for other builds that are high Torment viable as well. Good to see minions are back as an option for those that like it but I really loved the Bone Spirit playstyle in S5. I might try Spirit Wave just for variety but knowing I have Bone Spirit to fall back on make me feel like trying Necro again this season.
There was "once" when the minions were so powerful, the bosses were dead before you showed up. After that, Blizzard nerfed them to the ground and they've never become viable. The minions were absolutely USELESS in Compass 8 as the mobs easily overwhelmed them. Redemption time?
And AotD is also buffed, sir! The CD is going down to 60s for Rank 1 and the damage is doubled as well. 😎 So that will be a 42% damage buff with Kalan's Edict for me, since I like to have 7+6 Skelies around wearing Occult Dominion always at the Amulet. There was a good suggestion in the DIV US Forums - take Occult Dominion out as an aspect and give also + 1 added to Skeletal Masteries per Point. That would be crazy in a good way, haha. Would be nice to see insane Minion numbers like in DII(R) (up to 15+15, the Golem AND 8 Resurrected on top). I hope that they increase the base damage for the Warriors later, as they lack way behind and on top of that only have 15% damage/life per Mastery Point whereas Mages have 20% and the Golem 25%. Would be very cool when Minions are that strong that you could use all three glyphs and the give them each between 70-100 stat points inside the radius. At the moment I have to use GF for proper Mendeln procs.^^
@@romanohwang2792 seems also to be strong - saw a Minion Build doing Pit 9x @ PTR together with it with the new key passive. But IT seems that SR dmg is nerfed for S6.
@@drshoe7803 MacroBioBoi mentioned it for the Unmaker Helmet - no more ranks to SR but Chance for double damage - but there is also already a Temper for the same where 2x Crit already gives a 97%+ chance for it. So that is a nerf to the SR damage base.
I tested minions on ptr with both of these skills. Soulrift worked better for minions. With AotD I could clear a maximum pit 75 lvl, with soulrift I cleared pit 90 lvl.
T_T I have been cursed with horrid luck. I have never gotten the ring of Mendeln to drop since the game release and I only have/and shall ever play minion necro T_T. Im hoping this season smiles upon me unlike the others
Playing Minion Necro since launch. Looking forward to play S6. I also love the super lazy approach, with a lot of your skills on auto, thanks to the one unique ring and aspekt of curse aura. For speed content, its then a walking simulator. 😎
Obviously, everyone will be playing Spiritborn, but I've been more excited about trying out the changes on the existing classes. Spiritborn aka Vegan Monk can wait.
Necro seems very good with these changes. At last a real army commander coming ha? But, again, will spiritborn the most op class? While there's this doubt, I can't focus other classes...
Watched first video about VOH, me, maybe i pass this season again. Watched the second vid, Spiritborn me: i will skip this season! Watched P4wny‘s video, f**k i can‘t start before Okt 10!!!!
Hope this build still works, going to try it as I don't like to wade into packs of minions with the new ultimate. Going to use army of the dead. Tired of cringeborn
@@P4wnyhof why is no one talking about this ?? i worked for a year to find good items for my necro and ill never find another amulet with hellbent commander with greater affix...all my grind is just be nothing ???
i love necro minions, its a rollercoaster with blizzard ....terrible for ages then BOOM op AF, then shit again. then BOOM mega power.... now i just wait for the nerf again lol
@@P4wnyhof yeah I'm sure they will be very strong but most playing SB maybe they won't see a dire issue with necromancer xD I'm a necro main anytime Devs don't mess it up. So naturally I didn't play minions in D4 for a while and believe me I tried ALOT in base game lol
Ppl always complain about their AI, but in helltide that the best thing about them!. You WANT them to attack random monsters all over the place, that means cinders and xp.. For bosses is irrelevant as there's only one target. So i hope they keep it as is, it's a double edged sword.
People wouldn't complain if they just gave us a command minion skill like D3 has. You make it seem like the people who complain are the problem when the problem is the devs not giving us things that are obvious. There's nothing less satisfying than playing a minion necro with the intention of being an undead commander, yet your minions do whatever they want instead of listening to you.
Doesn't the apothic aspect still Proc your curses I just thought it would help till you get all your gear so you have big cooldown for army of the dead😅I could be wrong tho
So this could be it? Idk man, I'll believe it when I see it : ) I'll never understand why Blizz fears minion necro being "OP". Yea it's easy to play its SUPPOSED to be. Let him be guys, who cares, this is a casual game, lot of old/young/busy dads/ slow people are playing D4 and there is nothing wrong with that. PoE never had those problems(summoner being "too easy to play") and yet the game was fine.
Why don't people stack AS for minions over 100%. Ive tested it and they Do keep getting faster and faster with their attacking beyond 100%. Yeah they don't get anymore dmg bonuses from legendary node. But I would rather do 3.5 attacks per second over 2 attacks per second at end game....
Me shamelessly goin in with minoin build every season not even trying any other class or build
same for me) Tried barb, druid, sorc - nah, my minion necro is always the way to go. Will later try centipede spiritborn, but minion necro is sure a priority
I like the attitude!
Minion necro is true necro cuz other builds are more like poison mage blood mage and bone mage
@@JINQ_vy yeah. I always wanted blizzard to give minion necro more options - like new minion skills, new minion variants (still no reanimate skill (-_-) ), minions skins for better looks. And they treat necro like mage. That is sad. Well, at least the 6th season would give us more fun with minions. Looking forward to it.
Minion Necro is my main from day 1 of D2 and d4
Great video and thanks. I am a minions or die necro and this will help me so much to hit the ground running on launch day - and beyond!
When i played early seasons i played it for the minion build, necro is about summoning, about minions, yes there are alternatives, because the minions are poor in S5 for infernals. I do think this will be my go to class after spirit class fun wears off, followed by Druid. I always play 3 in the end, i expect a rebalance of spiritborne in S7 making it standard compared to everyone else, so will go back to what i love playing, Druid, necro…then waiting for my Paladin to come!!!!
Excited for my plan for a shadow explosion build with shademist, x'fal's, morticrux, unmaker and shadowblight. Not sure how powerful it will be but there will be instances of shadow explosions all over the screen and that's what I want.
Question for the necros, I’m just coming back to D4 for the new season and am interested in playing a summon necro. I’m not familiar at all with the play style. Will this build (in the video) play well for a casual? I’d like to try Ubers and try to get my first mythic. Would I have to start as a summons and respec into a different build? Not a big deal, just wanted to know what I’m getting into.
One of the most casual friendly builds is absolutely a minion necro build.. all you have to do is to position yourself to escape incoming attacks..minions do the rest bro..dont worry.
Yes, necro is very beginner friendly. Just begin to follow the linked skill and gear guide, and over time you’ll become totally accustomed to the class and its playstyle. Don’t sweat the details too much, have fun and if you begin to feel burned out or overwhelmed: remember, that you don’t have to work the build to perfection in order to already kick some serious butt and have a great time 😊
@@scottymaddox7753 In season 5 that was definitely true. But, how can you be so sure, that with all the necro buffs and changes for season 6, it is still not an endgame build? We have to play the new meta to find out.
Minions is a easy playstyle let the minions do the Job
Tbh I'm more of a blood/overpower necro. It's a slow start but it ramps up real quick when you get your paragons in.
Trying minion necro for the first time today
You are my go to source for builds. You do an amazing job and really make understanding why you have made the choices you have really clear. When I use one of your builds I feel more comfortable experimenting because I truly understand the build.
Thanks mate that's what IAM trying to help with the most understand the build to the basics
I love necro, played beta and first 4 seasons. Then I switched to Sorc in S5, totally wild how much more fun (and OP) sorc was.
Sorcs been exceptionally op in the past season so that checks out :D
@@P4wnyhof Honestly the most fun I had was last season with sorc. It was so op that I just speed run pit 100... lightning spear killed everything before they even spawn on my screen. was funny that run through pit without seeing mops.
Kalan's Edict att speed bonus never showed in the stats menu. I hope they fixed that. Made it a pain to know whether my max att speed for Cult Leader was reached. (Although with Mendeln, it may be worth it to go as high as possible with att speed to trigger it as much as possible?)
The stat cheet is painfully inaccurate :D Don't worry the bonus attack speed is there
Can you update the leveling path on the website. It does not match exactly as the video.
Well, that's it. I'm starting with necro this time, my favorite class actually. 😁
It looks like minions will be even better than it was in season 4. I might have to give this a go.
They will be strong effortless - All the multipliers are easy to achieve even without uniques
Great changes overall. Now we are only missing lucky hit from minions for minions to truly be god tier
It might be straight overpowered then :D
Damn you blizzard i decided to start season with spiritborn and now you bring back minion necro stronger and now i have second thoughts hahahah
Mate iam in pain :D
Literally me. What an awful conundrum. Actively suffering indecision. Got a Spiritborn to like lvl 45 and then started my Minion Necro :(
I haven't touched necro since the first week of season 4. Are corpse explosion builds still trash?
Yes!
started, like everyone else, to play for spiritborn. at some point decided to check the necro summoner. and oh my god... i'm right where i need to be
Aspect of the Damned also work for minion damage. So Shademist and Damned will go hand in hand.
100% but won't boost mendeln - gotta decide which brings more dmg
@@P4wnyhofyeah aspect bloat still plagues the minion necro sadly.😕
Just remember that the bonus for skeletal mastery only impacts the explosions from skeletons, etc...
For Great Feast all you need is one essence per second roll and masterwork the item to 8 and you always have enough to cast skills
That is factually wrong depending on how heavy you actually spam your core skill considering that we are having tons of attack speed :)
Great Feast ain't bad iam simply not a fan
If we want to tank up a little/a lot more once getting to T4 what changes would you recommend?
Is Bone Spirit still good? Didn't look like anything went bad for that build.
Bone Spirit will be absolute top tier :) Apart from Spirit Wave its just boring to play :D
I feel like minions are a little boring to play personally, so just looking for other builds that are high Torment viable as well. Good to see minions are back as an option for those that like it but I really loved the Bone Spirit playstyle in S5. I might try Spirit Wave just for variety but knowing I have Bone Spirit to fall back on make me feel like trying Necro again this season.
There was "once" when the minions were so powerful, the bosses were dead before you showed up. After that, Blizzard nerfed them to the ground and they've never become viable. The minions were absolutely USELESS in Compass 8 as the mobs easily overwhelmed them. Redemption time?
It might be sir it might be!
@@P4wnyhof P4, is your review up today?! Looking forward to it!!!
Next season they will rise once again
@@P4wnyhofSo, is it an S tier build or there will be blood spirit all over again?
I have had the ring of mendeln for a while. i love it.
Did Hellbent Commander lose its range requirement? I was watching my minions, and they never lost the glowy hands.
Yes its slightly weaker strength wise but therefore always active :D!
Pog man!
Make minions great again,
but not so that everyone takes it.
What do you think of the new mythic that gives 1 to passives. Could it work for the minios build?
I am very much looking forward to the bloodwave spirit build but this one looks very promising. Which one would you go for 1st?
I'm still looking for the Bone Spear build... That's my favourite and the funniest build, but I do really think that bone spear has been left behind 🙃
Bone Spear Sadly can't scale all the way to be amazing :S
That's still sad loved mine in previous seasons.@@P4wnyhof
Only thing I really want now is Lucky Hit on my Necro Minions, so I can run with FIST OF FATE combined with X-FALL.
That might turn way too op sir!
I know but is it not Necros turn to be best S Build
If you have some spare time can you run fist of fate test on minion build
If i cast bone prison its 18% more attacks speed and damage ?
for its duration
Bone Prison will aid with that for sure - The worst of using the Prison just for that ain't there
Bro, can you share the link to your build? Thanks.
@P4wnyhof are u adding ur Minion Build to Mobalytics ?
Ooh Boy! These changes make me happy and I’m super eager to start Into season 6 with a nice crowd of Mendeln powered minions. 💀💀💀💀💀💀❤
Choice for alt char after Spiritborn will be a headache in S6. Rogue or Necro?
Wow, bigger numbers, glad I sat down for this
And AotD is also buffed, sir! The CD is going down to 60s for Rank 1 and the damage is doubled as well. 😎
So that will be a 42% damage buff with Kalan's Edict for me, since I like to have 7+6 Skelies around wearing Occult Dominion always at the Amulet.
There was a good suggestion in the DIV US Forums - take Occult Dominion out as an aspect and give also + 1 added to Skeletal Masteries per Point.
That would be crazy in a good way, haha. Would be nice to see insane Minion numbers like in DII(R) (up to 15+15, the Golem AND 8 Resurrected on top).
I hope that they increase the base damage for the Warriors later, as they lack way behind and on top of that only have 15% damage/life per Mastery Point whereas
Mages have 20% and the Golem 25%. Would be very cool when Minions are that strong that you could use all three glyphs and the give them each between 70-100 stat points inside the radius.
At the moment I have to use GF for proper Mendeln procs.^^
What do you think about Soulrift? :)
@@romanohwang2792 seems also to be strong - saw a Minion Build doing Pit 9x @ PTR together with it with the new key passive. But IT seems that SR dmg is nerfed for S6.
@@edge8616 didnt see anything about it in Patchnotes 2.01-2.02
@@drshoe7803 MacroBioBoi mentioned it for the Unmaker Helmet - no more ranks to SR but Chance for double damage - but there is also already a Temper for the same where 2x Crit already gives a 97%+ chance for it. So that is a nerf to the SR damage base.
I have 1 Minion Necromancer as well. I could try this build. Thank you
the bone one is absolutely insane
I wonder if shademist summoner with +6 from amulet maxing number of summons and wolves from runrs will carry as well? Someone had a chance to test?
How on earth you get 925 item power in season 6? Wasn't it capped at 800 from the start? I'm confused
May we now have a stier pure minion build??? Maybe I should buy the expansion
hope they do something that summon druid also works after they nerf the storm build to death now
How about using Soulrift instead of AotD? I'm curious about other people's opinions
I tested minions on ptr with both of these skills. Soulrift worked better for minions. With AotD I could clear a maximum pit 75 lvl, with soulrift I cleared pit 90 lvl.
Its possible and gives you bonus survivability - For leveling it ain't a good choice :)
Patch 2.02 will be test in depth with everything!
Will they add kbm support to console ( Xbox )?
T_T I have been cursed with horrid luck. I have never gotten the ring of Mendeln to drop since the game release and I only have/and shall ever play minion necro T_T. Im hoping this season smiles upon me unlike the others
Playing Minion Necro since launch. Looking forward to play S6. I also love the super lazy approach, with a lot of your skills on auto, thanks to the one unique ring and aspekt of curse aura. For speed content, its then a walking simulator. 😎
I do like some agency as automated is never as efficient as - But you can absolutely build it lazy
Zählt der Söldner eigentlich als Minion?
Nein! Wäre aber toll :D
So we get more and more dmg for Minions but can we survive the high torment difficultis and bossdmg?
This was my biggest problem with the necro.
Yes you can easily :) The Barrier on Lucky hit is amazing and you can swap AOD for Soulrift for even more barrier!
@@P4wnyhof ❤️
Yes „soulrift“ looks amazing.
I bought D4 without really playing it. Would I be able to play this build without buying the expansion?
"So it's gonna be like: Poof, poof!" Love your excitement! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on all this!
Iam easy to excite :) Reality should match this time!
About time necro needed love long time
Obviously, everyone will be playing Spiritborn, but I've been more excited about trying out the changes on the existing classes. Spiritborn aka Vegan Monk can wait.
Necro seems very good with these changes. At last a real army commander coming ha? But, again, will spiritborn the most op class? While there's this doubt, I can't focus other classes...
Watched first video about VOH, me, maybe i pass this season again.
Watched the second vid, Spiritborn me: i will skip this season!
Watched P4wny‘s video, f**k i can‘t start before Okt 10!!!!
Well now I'm excited for the update
The future is bright, the future is DIABLO 4 ALL
Hope this build still works, going to try it as I don't like to wade into packs of minions with the new ultimate. Going to use army of the dead. Tired of cringeborn
Minions look incredible!
after nerf spear sorc, Necro minions my srarter build.Thanks you
The question is how many minions variety have? Buffs and nerfs but same skill from season 1 until now at season 6 😂
Do i still have to refarm all my items that i worked a year for ????
Yes sir - All your items on eternal realm will drop in quality
@@P4wnyhof why is no one talking about this ?? i worked for a year to find good items for my necro and ill never find another amulet with hellbent commander with greater affix...all my grind is just be nothing ???
Please rebuild the bone spear summoner for us!
i love necro minions, its a rollercoaster with blizzard ....terrible for ages then BOOM op AF, then shit again. then BOOM mega power.... now i just wait for the nerf again lol
They might to get balanced after this actually xD Not sure how strong it will really turn out to be but they changes and the multipliers are insane
@@P4wnyhof yeah I'm sure they will be very strong but most playing SB maybe they won't see a dire issue with necromancer xD I'm a necro main anytime Devs don't mess it up. So naturally I didn't play minions in D4 for a while and believe me I tried ALOT in base game lol
I dont like the idea of you playing spiritborn - stay true to your necro mate.
Thanks bro !
Minions are fun, but the AI inhibits DPS. Shadowmist is best since D4's inception.
Ppl always complain about their AI, but in helltide that the best thing about them!. You WANT them to attack random monsters all over the place, that means cinders and xp.. For bosses is irrelevant as there's only one target. So i hope they keep it as is, it's a double edged sword.
People wouldn't complain if they just gave us a command minion skill like D3 has. You make it seem like the people who complain are the problem when the problem is the devs not giving us things that are obvious. There's nothing less satisfying than playing a minion necro with the intention of being an undead commander, yet your minions do whatever they want instead of listening to you.
Awesomeness ....no blood wave necro 😢😢😢😢
Sir blood wave necro is still ultra s-tier!
Let it Rainnnnnn hahahaha 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I would play the new mythic chest with the + ranks to all passives. That's plus to all those minion damages
Only what i want is Blood Lance on S tier.
Spirit Wave is S-Tier and thats a blood lance build!
Mercenary’s?
Doesn't the apothic aspect still Proc your curses I just thought it would help till you get all your gear so you have big cooldown for army of the dead😅I could be wrong tho
So this could be it? Idk man, I'll believe it when I see it : )
I'll never understand why Blizz fears minion necro being "OP". Yea it's easy to play its SUPPOSED to be.
Let him be guys, who cares, this is a casual game, lot of old/young/busy dads/ slow people are playing D4 and there is nothing wrong with that.
PoE never had those problems(summoner being "too easy to play") and yet the game was fine.
sorc nerf go necro
necro is the biggest joke of d4 😂
Never mind your german hahaha😂😂😂great pronounciation
Giddy Up!
Love me necro summoner again :)
Giga skellies
wow! so crazy of an update
Mercenary ?? !! ## !! !! !!
Necro pisses me off since it has absolutely zero source of healing that I could find. I don't know how you stay alive without blood orbs
What is your nationality? Can't figure out your accent
German from Germany :) Not the german accent thou!
Summoner is just so boring.
are you telling about your whole life story ? HALF HOUR VIDEO ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?
Oh iam so sry for a detailed in depth video on the necro changes + a whole build :S
Why don't people stack AS for minions over 100%.
Ive tested it and they Do keep getting faster and faster with their attacking beyond 100%. Yeah they don't get anymore dmg bonuses from legendary node. But I would rather do 3.5 attacks per second over 2 attacks per second at end game....
You can stack over 100% with attack speed cap 1 and 2 and yes it works but there are also diminishing returns :)