I've always made the choices I thought Geralt would make, I can't bring myself to change on each playthrough, have relied on RUclips to see the rest of the game.
I've decided to use random generated number for most choices to get myself to do some things I've never done before (I only didn't use it to reject doing quests unless rejecting on its own brought a consequence) Felt like a total dick after ending up in Velen killing last witch so I've reloaded and got happy ending lol. But I can't complain in general, got some dialogues and situations I haven't seen yet.
I got so confused. I don't know what was wrong with me at the time, but I was under the impression that she's gonna use the plague research to become a plague spreading supervillain. Not sure where that came from.
I made the same mistake (playing though currently). I’m also currently reading the books. Trying to go through it choosing options that seemed to match his character in book. The Keira thing is so deceptive. I freaked out when I had to kill her. Did not expect it. The way it was going was for sure Kiera potentially spreading a plague to enemies and Geralt would not have that. Really dumb they dramatically turned it into killing her. Oh well. Lol
I could never betray Roche and Ves since they literally drop everything to go to Kaer Morhen to fight the Wild Hunt with you, even though it's a hopeless situation anyway. Turning on them there just seems monstrous
Hi. I was the 69th like. I just tried recruiting everyone (first playthrough) and discovered who said no. Emiir. And djikstra. Mainly because geralt refused to betray his friends and family. How tf would that be a dumbass witch hunters plan let alone djikstra in return?
@@212mochaman yeah, Dijkstra is actually kind of hard to figure out how to get in the first place since it specifically forces you to let Triss be tortured long enough to learn where his treasure is. Even then, he only gives you 1000 gold at a point in the game where you probably have 10-20k anyway. Its really not worth it
I picked the betrayal option by accident and totally freaked out when I realized it, some time later Needless to say, I immediately reloaded even though I lost some progress. Let Nilfgaard take the North, screw it. Roche and Ves won't die on my watch.
It's actually a brutal choice, cause Roche's solution with selling North to Nilf's is unbelievably stupid. There's pure loyalty against reason situation
Dijkstra didn't even need to betray them right then and there. Wait till Geralt is gone, set up a meeting to discuss future plans in private, send assassins or at the very least don't stand there yourself. Geralt could, in a quest after killing Radovid, find out about a betrayal. Depending on choices made during Roche's entire quest line, you can save them or not.
or Djiksta could just have told the others from the start that there is no way Nilfgaard was going to honor their part of the deal and instead suggest his own plan.
Yes. I could live with Dijkstra's idea of ruling the North, but not at that price. Roche and company continue to fight for a free Temeria after you save them or whatever.
@@countluke2334 No, ''Temeria'' becomes Nilfgaard's whore, because Roche sold it to them, his country and his people, while the rest of the North suffers under Nilfgaard. Roche's incredible selfishness and betrayal of anything that doesn't involve his Temeria is why leaving him to die was a fairly easy choice. Though for Geralt himself, is more a of decision to save Roche, a supposed ally in arms, a soldier or side with Dijkstra who helped save his friends. Tough choices either way, but it always amuses me how people get blinded by emotion and quick to kill, when Dijkstra has done more for Geralt than Roche ever has and will do a lot for the North as whole.
@@Kristers_K Yes, I completely agree. I was suggesting that would happen after you side with Dijkstra at first but then he doesn't immediately kill them, but imprison them, from which you could free them again - then they continue to fight for Temeria or whatever.
@@countluke2334 I never actually thought about it, you never see them being killed. But In my own headcanon i want to believe they were captured, they are patriots after all, in reality we don't know what happens to Roche, Ves and Thaler and i think it's done so for a reason by the game devs. Also, i find it odd that Roche and the rest would be against Dijkstra, because Dijkstra seeks to liberate all of the North, not just Temeria, so technically Roche should be on his side, despite the ''betrayal'', if you can even call it that. Roche's stance further shows his biases, he wants free Temeria, but condemns the rest.
I will never get over how unbelievably stupid Djikstra is in that moment to expect Geralt to walk away and let his friends be murdered. Love the idea of that doppler Djikstra mod though, also saves you from having to kill the thief doppler for the mutagen!
in fact it would be better if Djikstra was a doppler, and something out of scene happened and that was the plan, another incident similar to Dudu's in the books.
Agreed, this one never sat well with me. I get that the idea of a culturally progressive, economically capitalistic country beat an empire and a religious extremist nation, and it put the player in a tough situation. But Djikstra is supposedly one of the smartest men in the Witcher universe, and he knows Geralt doesn’t care about politics. He had to know that he was goading him into a fight to the death.
That's one of the few issues I have with the writing for Witcher 3. It was so unbelievably stupid for me on two counts. 1. Geralt just wouldn't walk away and let his friends get murdered. Especially after they had gone to Kaer Morhen and helped defend Ciri against the wild hunt. 2. Its so wildly out of character for Dijkstra, he's basically a genius. He would know very well that Geralt would easily kill him and any goons he had with him.
I actually had the same thing happen on my first playthrough with Keira. I was so taken aback when I killed her, seemed like the dialogue was poorly written here and didn't communicate what those options would lead to properly.
I killed her under the pretense she was going to sell a plague to Nilfgard, I'd never thought I'd made the wrong decision until she could have helped at Kaer Morhen. The murdering was a real surprise.
The singing troll outside of the city always makes me genuinely laugh in pure amusement for 5 minutes straight, it's the most random thing that amuses me and that I adore beyond words. Not to mention if you let Geralt draw the shield of arms of of Redeinia, it'll be WORSE than if the troll did it, it's hilarious. I swear that quest is a core memory of mine.
I’m currently reading the novels and I can attest that you’re definitely right with what Geralt would do. Honestly he probably wouldn’t kill Dijkstra though, just break his other foot.
Personally, I played TW3 before reading the books and looking back I made many mistakes. Geralt is too much of a passive person for a majority of the situations he's put into.
@@Soot_38 thats the problem clown, you played only witcher 3 and that's trilogy with non linear world and different choices where player makes Geralt choices not some books, in Witcher 2 you making friends who saving your Life imagine being passive and not saving them? Just casual clown
@@ТАДАМ-ю4ж actually reading the books after the fact like I just said means I know Geralt the Witcher far better than most. Yes the player makes choices in the third game for Geralt but like I was saying, and this goes for most people in their first play throughs, mistakes were made by choosing these incorrect choices that don’t follow the Witcher order or Geralts moral code. The books, the first installation into the Witcher world which sets in stone much of the lore, tell and explain all of Geralts personality and very clearly shows his opinions on many affairs and what he would and would not choose to do. Playing the Witcher 3 where you are playing a set character that already has mountains of lore and much story build up behind him you are playing that character only and do what that character would do, you don’t just make any choice you want. The books literally depict what he will do and say and how he does it. And when I said he was passive this was referring to how Geralt and many Witcher’s stay away and don’t involve themselves in unnecessary situations that have no business involving a Witcher. Such as politics, war, land disputes so on an so forth. Geralt himself is not passive at all when it comes to saving anyone he deems a friend. He makes it very clear that anyone close to him he is the most loyal to and would protect them at any cost. Given many of these friends also saved Geralt at one point or another which solidifies their bond. Friendships that you get to see spark and flourish in the books. Especially triss which explains that their relationship was a more friends with benefits situation and not actual lovers, a love interest option they give you in the W3 that shouldn’t be there. You my friend are the clown
@@Soot_38 you mentally slow, people change after events and time so Geralt moral code too, Geralt changes with time, with your choices so THERES NO BAD CHOICES cos every Geralt different play first and 2st game you clown
@@ТАДАМ-ю4ж you’re just wrong, you’re incredibly dense. Geralt never strays from the Witcher and his personal moral code unless an exception is made due to destiny. Destiny which plays a huge part of Geralts character delusion, doubt that you knew anything about that. There are set in stone opinions that geralt would rather die then go against it. There are many bad choices to make that wouldn’t make any sense following the story and following Geralts previous actions and statements. There is no way around anything I’ve said, it’s all correct and backed up throughly with two previous games and 8 fully fleshed books.
The one where you can betray Roche and Vess and CHADler is absolutely not something Geralt would ever do, especially when Djikstra is standing in front of him. This is the same Djikstra that Geralt crippled when Sigi tried to persuade Geralt to hand Ciri over to him and then tried to slow him down from finding and saving Ciri and Yen during the Coup at Thanedd when attempts at persuasion failed.
The whole quest is poorly written and the whole plot felt like an afterthought in the writing room, book Dijkstra would never do something so stupid in front of Geralt. They really needed to do the whole political plot line better in addition to expanding it.
@@MountAverage28 I had no problem to break his second leg when he stood in my way. Some things are just fun to do. I don't remember how the coup went on after that. I don't think Deikstra participated after taht.
The thing about Dijkstra is, that book-Dijkstra never would have acted like that. He's by far the most intelligent person on the continent, only rivaled by Esterad Thyssen, Emhyr and some of the sorceresses and mages. He would have known that Geralt is loyal to Roche, Ves, and Thaler. And he would have known that he is no match to Geralt. He was there when Geralt almost single-handedly destroyed the Scoia'tael group during the massacre of Thanned. Dijkstra is the one character of the books that CDPR totally messed up in the games. And it's a shame. I liked book-Dijkstra a lot. The trolls. You're spot on. That's why I haven't got the "Trollslayer" achievement in TW2. I'd like to spare all trolls in the game but unfortunately some are too rabid in TW3.
even leaving geralt out of it, dijkstra wouldn't trust his future plans for the continent to his personal fighting skills against two elite special forces veterans. he'd have them killed indirectly, preferably in a way geralt wouldn't trace back to him.
@@arkarmoethouk2445 for him to not drop his game plan until Radovid is dead or decree a far cleverer scheme. It literally could have been re written for another quest later where you learn of a threat to Ves and Roche and can choose to intervene or not. Investigating further reveals the perpetrator to be djkstra and can lead to a confrontation. Spitballing here but splitting the quests could have provided the necessary material.
My biggest regrets in my first playthrough were killing Keira (didn’t know better at the time) and missing the unique Gwent cards from the party you attend with Triss.
When I choose not to let Keira walk away with that scroll I was just super weirded out that this would result in Geralt and her fighting to the death. That just didn’t fit into their characters at all, so I reloaded my last save and choose another option 😵💫😵💫
For some reason I thought that if I let her go she would give a bio weapon to Radovid, and that I would be locked out of certain quests cause the peasants to the south of the map would be plagued, but now I see that would be an insane amount of work for a decision to entail
Some of them are quite misleading tho. You are under time pressure to respond and the short text does often not reflect what you actually end up doing. It's easy to mess up on a first time play through simply by accidentally making a choice you wouldn't have given more time and info.
@boomerix I especially dislike the one at the laboratory. It doesn't make any sense - why is encouraging someone supposed to be a bad choice? And being with Ciri and the Lodge - out of context it doesn't look like surpressing her or something, it's just being there - doesn't make any sense to me either.
For that Dijkstra choice, I honestly feel like the devs planned something you and many of us discussed before, namely have Dijskstra silently assassinate Temerians after Geralt's long gone and only show it happening in the epilogue recap... but they probably decided it was too big of a moment to fully take away player's agency. Not knowing Dijkstra's plan to kill them, probably the majority of players would support him and then feel cheated with that conclusion. As such, the devs ended up giving us this last minute weirdness sacrificing character's consistency to maintain player's agency in that moment. And, purely gameplay-wise, it is a good decision. Alas, not so much narratively and in RPGs story is often a more important aspect than pure gameplay. Open betrayal is something as out of character for Dijkstra as killing innocents/friendlies is for Geralt (or, case in point, abandoning them to be killed). He's too smart and too aware of Geralt's morals to ever attempt that so I see the appeal of the doppler mod/theory. As such, sorry Sigi, you're one of my all-time favourites from both books and games, but if you're planning to kill others who are on that list (and all 3 of those Temerians are), it's you going down.
i'd rather have preferred a solution where Djikstra persuades the three temerians to not trust Emhyr, this would have caused a rift between them, and then Geralt is given the choice, leave after this or see this through till the end, then you do an additional side quest.
It's funny because I was extremely annoyed and disappointed by Dijkstra's sudden stupidity. I would have been much happier with the original plan. Sometimes your choices have consequences you didn't predict. You are not in control of the world. Sacrificing Dijkstra's character to give us unnecessary agency was entirely a bad choice
Well the solution to that would be to have a way for Geralt to discover Dijskstra's plan before hand. Like through a note or an npc that showed up throughout the quest line. Imagine if Philipa mentioned she read Dijskstra's mind during their brief meeting. This prompts a dialogue choice to dig further or ignore Philipa with some snide comment. If you inquire further then she says something like, "I saw the wheels turing in his head once you mentioned the emperor, and got a vague impression of the plot and something about needing to 'tie up loose ends'." Now Geralt can be skeptical about it because its PHILIPA who's telling him this, but it could lead to an optional objective later on of searching Dijskstra's headquarters or alerting Roche who, being a master spy himself, would be able to foil Dijskstra's plan off screen. And that's just one possibility. There's probably a dozen more scenarios you could think of that wouldn't lead to supposed mastermind that is Dijskstra being so stupid as to gamble on Geralt letting his friends and allies die for no reason.
I wish there was an option to immediately give the money you get to Ciri and be like "Here, invest this in stocks or something" I cant imagine she has a big allowance
My favorite part of the Dijkstra's doppler mod is that it also lets you get the doppler mutagen without doing the other out of character decision of killing the doppler you reference earlier in the video
i just wanna say that i have the attention span of a literal goldfish but with the way youre giving us the information is not only fun and very well articulated, but also clear to understand. not to mention, the quality of the video ideas. youre doing a great job!
@@myopicautisticmetal9035 they do indeed, up to a year if im recalling correctly, however i am mentioning attention span, which they have about 9 seconds of
My experience with Keira was exactly the same! I’d promised myself I wouldn’t do any reloading after decisions on my first playthrough, like a “what will be will be” thing. But then Keira died and I just sat there for a few minutes, hand over my mouth, and that became the only reload I did all game 😂 Agreed on all points in this one, my typical run sees me struggling with alchemy because I’m so against killing things that don’t deserve it. Anything requiring troll liver is a real pain in the arse, because I have to try to track down those rabid trolls to get any. Can’t kill any of the ones we get to talk to, they’re weirdly cute. Especially Trollololo (the White Eagle Fort guy) and Bart.
And then there's me, killing everything on sight. I played Skyrim before Wither 3 and because I came into the game with a dragonborne mindset, anyone who pissed and ticked me off was bound to lose his head.
Killing Keira was a very unexpected result of asking her for the notes. I was totally shocked and surprised and this wasn’t even my first play-through, and even though it was sort of an “experimental” play-through where I was making different choices than I did with the first in many cases, I still couldn’t go with this result, so I reloaded the game.
I completely agree they are cute in their own way, they have an innocence almost childlike. I don't see how anyone could kill Trollololo as he has a very important job to guard the boatsis. I love his ingenious plan to protect the boats by using the boats to make a wall, now that is some next level master planning 🤣 no peasant would ever suspect the wall to actually be the boats they want to steal
@@DARTH-R3VAN personally I think Skyrim was the best game I have ever played, the size of the map and amount of quests is unreal. Also liked the fact you could go anywhere, your objective is the other side of a mountain, do you walk round the mountain? Hell no you just jump up and over the mountain 🤣🤣 plus all the titles you can get in that game. OK I think I need to crack Skyrim out again as its been awhile.
i think the Kiera Quest was just not given enough dialogue options. My thought was that Radavid was potentially going to use the notes to make a biological weapon against Nilfgaard potentially killing millions. I also didn't know who Kiera was
I think the Kiera quest was part of cut content. There was supposed to be whole plot line with the plague and a better Radovid plot line that got cut. Which is why you have many references to the plague with barely any impact and that wonky assassination quest.
I remember first time I killed Keira, because I felt used as heck. Then later in the game discovered that she could be an ally to defend Kaer Morhem. On my second playthough I invited her, but still the feeling of being used and betrayed didn’t leave me.
yeah same here i dont like beeing betrayed and used thats why i was like " give me that notes and leave as long as i let you " and she was like "naha i just attack you" ...."well then you choose death !"
I literally cannot even bring myself to watch the cutscene where Geralt accepts the Emperor's coin in front of Ciri, even when it's put in the video as a joke! 🤣
On my very first playthrough, knowing absolutely nothing of the witcher series, or it's lore, I think I pretty much screwed Ciri over. On completion of the game, again knowing nothing of the multiple ways of getting multiple endings, I was totally and utterly ashamed of myself, and devastated at the way the game ended. Of course, I got the worse possible ending but luckily I was told by a friend of the multiple endings and the many ways in which you could achieve the different endings. I couldn't wait to correct my mistakes. I remember nearly being in tears when I completed the game again having gotten the ending I wanted. The witcher series are the only games I've played in my near 30 years of gaming that brought out the full range of emotions a human is capable of feeling. I doubt any developer or studio will ever come close to this level again. Bravo CDPR and bravo to you neon Knight for reminding us all of the sheer joy this game brought to millions of like-minded people. 👏👏👏
I didn't played any games or read the books but I felt the need to watch a nutshell recap of the lore to actually play the game near to right. And it matterd very mucu because I did very good almost every aspect of the game. I made geralt a littlebit aggresive to strangers but it was me, not how you should roleplay as him.
@@laszlonagy02 as a huge fan of the books I'd say having Geralt a bit aggressive to strangers is within his character. He has a good heart but by no means is a nice guy. In the books he's rude, cynical and often threatens people (mostly as scare tactics as he only pulls the blade out on real evil bastards or in defence). That's how RP him too in games.
It was also one of the weird options. The option said "Roughly Push Dijkstra aside" Which seems like it would be a case of knock him to the floor or shoulder check him or something. Not punch him in the face and break his good leg.
Given how massive of a cunt Dijkstra is to Geralt in the books and given that has already done that once, this is in fact very much the in-character option, quite satisfying I must admit.
At first, I refused to visit Skjall's grave because i thought Ciri would've found out that Yenneferr used necromancy on Skjall and that'll upset her and ruin their relationship. But after i reloaded the save and chose to visit the grave, it wasn't being mentioned anyway so the option not to visit the grave feels like Geralt just being a bad dad.
"Although if you, the player, needed to kill him to get that mutagen..." "...Seventeen roasted chickens in your pocket..." I did not come here to get called out that hard, sir.
11 mins in and big YES to that djikstra decision. Personally, I want Djikstra to rule because he's an economist and has proper values where it counts (most times), but right in that moment?? There's no way Geralt, who values relationships the most, would ever walk away to let his friends be murdered. So in my first playthrough, it was regretful to have to give up a better leader... but I can't not play Geralt correctly. Thans for making this video! It's very original and brings up an interesting discussion.
Right.. my solution to this was that Roche was not my real friend, as I didn't sided with him in Witcher 2. And as for Vess - I didn't "manage" to save her during the village ambush. Was my only failed quest. However the game decided one death is not enough for her, so she appeared again just to be killed again by Dijkstra... The game intentinally pushes you to one of bad choices... Radovid is clear no-go due to his violent xenophobia, I hate Nilfgaard to the core since their first mention in the book... so if I have to choose, there is no real choice from both mine and Geralt point of view as I understand it.
@@Adamos321 Roche is a great guy tho, my first W2 playthrough I went with Iorveth (as why tf would I not be on the same side as Zoltan), but even during that playthrough, you run into Roche and he actually helps you despite the fact that you sided with his hated enemy
Funny how in my very first playthrough I made ALL the choices Geralt would make (sending Keira to Kaer Morhen, sparing the doppler in Novigrad, killing Radovid AND Dijkstra, and so on) without even knowing much about Geralt. Though I gotta say I like the fact that the game gives you the right to choose, even with the possibility of Geralt acting “out of character”. Realistically speaking, we all can act “out of our character” from time to time, especially when tired, worried or angry. And if you want Geralt to stay most true to himself, you just make all the respective choices - and I bet you'll feel better knowing that it wasn't predestined by devs, but rather you yourself deliberately CHOSE Geralt to stay canon. Thanks for awesome videos, keep it up!
When you start the game, at the very beginning, Geralt asks Vesemir which side they are in, and Vesemir says The Northern Realms. So i decided to do one of my many playthoughs taking every decision having that in mind, and funnily enough, some of them are in this video. Like 1:16 , 8:36 , 15:33
There's another choice Geralt would never make. In Crow's Perch there's an interaction where the baron's men try to "defile" an innocent woman. You can choose to walk away here but that's just non-sensical.
I dunno man. The wiki states this; "Originally, Geralt was convicted, enthusiastic, incentive and held faith that he was needed in a world full of monsters and beasts to protect the innocent, although Vesemir greatly advised him not to play at being a knight errand or uphold the law. After travelling about 50 miles after leaving Kaer Morhen, Geralt was anxious to kill his first monster. He encountered a bald man with rotten teeth, who stopped a peasant's cart and pulled out a young girl whilst his companions held down her father as the bald man tore off her dress yelling it was time for her to meet a real man and attempted to rape her. Geralt rode up and told him the time had come for him to meet one too, The thug released the girl and charged at him with an axe, Geralt managed to strike him twice with his blade and killed him. The young witcher turned expecting gratitude, however the father fled with the attackers and the girl who was drenched in the man's blood vomited, became hysterical and fainted in fear when Geralt approached her. This event caused Geralt to rarely interfere with such matters.[2]"
@@jayspeidell he actually says to that mute girl in the first book how he tends to avoid those situations. He has still gotten involved of course, but there's no doubt that he's looked the other way before.
During my current playthrough, I killed both the doppler and the succubus in Novigrad, in order to get the steam achievement, for completing 2 contracts without oils; signs or potions (didn't get it, in the end). I've never taken these options before, because like you said, the doppler doesn't mean any harm and, in my opinion, the succubus acted in self-defense. so now I'm playing a "cursed" playthrough, where I made decisions I, or Geralt, would never make otherwise
I've always thought Gerald was a cold-hearted killer who would do anything for coin until I finished the game and learned more from this video after. Glad to know he's so kind.
Its just a facade. He likes to look like it, sometimes he may even believe it himself. But he would rather starve than killing innocents. The books are full of him declining contracts.
That Keira thing is so weird though, like I picked that option of her not leaving with the notes, cause bioweapon bad, but I had no idea it lead to a fight, it's quite jarring imo.
@@tobiasL1991 accidents can happen, she died of bleed when I killed her recently. Teleport, zap zap zap, gets cut a few times, teleports, insults, dies of bloodloss.
Love this concept. Also, I can totally relate on the Keira quest. My first playthrough I wasn't very clear on all the options I had to pick in that scene and ended up at that same point. I read "gimme the notes" as "Oh, well if Geralt has the notes, she can't go to Radovid and if she can't go to Radovid, she won't get executed" (I at least knew she'd die if she went to Radovid and I was stupidly hopeful that "gimme the notes" was sort of a third neutral option where you don't shelter her at Kaer Morhen but you don't send her to her death). Then the sword came out and I was just like "wait wut? ... Okay, how far back was my last save?" XD
Yes but of you cared about Keira a little bit, you know that she do any dumb thing she decides so you have to be careful to not anger her. I did it first try and was so confused how other decisions would turn out because I couldn't understan why would Geralt choose those answeres. She is the best tutorial character for roleplay because going straight to the point is not always the best decision. And you can f*ck up if you not emerge into the character of Geralt. This game is not something you can rush.
I was shocked and had to reload my save after entering combat with Keira which I did not expect to happen at all, I just thought she would give the papers or the battle would have ended early with her giving up, it definitely confused me lol
Very cool concept for a video. There were a lot of decisions that, just knowing who Geralt is, I passed on. Killing the succubus on Skellige whose just living in her cave with her boytoy, for example. The way the Witcher games handle Geralt is similar to the way the Yakuza games handle Kiryu Kazuma. They are both fully developed characters with their own codes of conduct. There are things neither of them will do, period. This let's the games meaningfully explore their characters by looking at what they WILL do, which you can't do if with a blank slate.
@@jissjily857 Geralt does not kill sentient monsters if they aren't harming anyone. The succubus wasn't doing anything bad, so when the choice came to help the druid kill her or to let her live in peace, I knew Geralt would choose not to attack.
Dunno if you've ever talked about it, but there's this little side quest called The Nithing that pisses me off to no end. Basically, a man left a woman for another woman, she got pissed, and, being somewhat knowledgeable in magic, created a nithing totem that would curse the man's underage son he's raising now to fall ill and die. The only choices in this quest are either to force the poor man to go back to live with the crazy witch, in which case she undoes the curse, or to turn it into a HUMAN CONTRACT by carving her name into the nithing YOURSELF so that the curse reflects on her and she dies eventually. The real Geralt would just tell the man HOW to reverse the curse and leave HIM to make this choice for HIMSELF (he knows ho to write, he posted that note on the notice board) and LEAVE. I was so appalled I just loaded an earlier save and pretended my Geralt never stumbled upon this abominable choice.
For the Kiera decision, I actually didn't kill her in my first play through but my second playthrough by accident since I was just speeding through the dialogue. I was extremely confused during the whole fight and surprised that there was even a possibility of fighting Kiera, but not feeling comfortable with having her dead I reloaded a save and sent her to Kaer Morhen like my first playthrough.
I accidentally killed Keira during my first playthrough too! I didn't reload, and when I found out later that there was an option to send her to Kaer Morhen, I felt so bad about it xD
hey man, found this through my recommended and just had to binge all your videos. insane how good your first video was, you have a great attention to detail so it's no surprise you're getting new people in. i like your takes and appreciate how you let the whole scene play out the most common way first in your 'what happens' vids, then show the changes. psyched to see you grow and appreciate the quality vids :)
Wonderful video. Strange to me that I hadn't seen this theme discussed before, in all these years TW3 has been out! It's much more compelling truly roleplaying Geralt, certainly far more than the shallow paladin you get the option to turn him into.
4:58 damn it was absolutely the Same for me. In my first playthrough i felt like geralt would offend her to give him the notes. Never thought it would escalate so quickly😂
Exactly :D I was scared at that moment, how she attacked me and I was supposed to kill her... Wohooo calm down your tits, just give me the papers and go away woman!
I still remember killing Kiera on my first play through. I was shocked when my long time ally and friend just started coming at me like that. I even tried just running away and avoiding the fight. In the end, I felt bad afterward but didn’t know how to reload so just carried on
My story was the same, Neon, serving playthrough I wanted to try different answers and had no idea "gimme the notes" was going to kill Keira. I felt terrible afterwards.
I played the Keira quest with my gf recently. She was calling the dialogue options while I just walked and fought. We ended up fighting Keira, but I just ran away. That resulted in her going to Radovid, as the journal suggests.
I always thought that the only reason why Geralt would ever consider killing Keira would be to prevent what he mentions, which is using the disease as weapon that can get out of hand and kill tens of thousands of innocents so he would go to the length of killing Keira to do that. But that doesn't change the fact of how random killing Keira seems to be in the quest and just like you said I also never though "gimme those notes" would end in a fight to the death I was baffled the first time I played the game it was so out of nowhere. Anyways great video as always loved it and greed with everything you said! Also I see what you did there with putting Geralt and Triss together in a thumbnail of a video called "choices Geralt would NEVER make" lmfao I love that so much
Yup, I thought that maybe after defeating her, she´d just surrender. (There are some games like that.) After she died, I know I wanted to reload, but for whatever reason, I decided not to. (corrupted save? would lose too many hours?)
Yep. Didn't reload in this case because I don't generally like undoing major decisions unless they lock me in a significant way, but I certainly did not expect this to go the way it did.
Yeah, the same thing happend to me when I first played. Literally had no idea things could escalate into killing her. Only time I reloaded my save in the Witcher.
I never noticed the Harry Potter reference at the end of the Unpaid Debt quest. Volund says "For a minute there...For a minute I thought you'd do it. Thought you'd kill me." and you can respond "For a minute there, so did I". In the Goblet of Fire movie, Cedric says to Harry "For a moment there, I thought you were gonna let it get me." and Harry says "For a moment, so did I." I love all the references they put in this masterpiece of a game!
To be fair when you're playing this game for the first time the dialogue options in that Keira scene are not at all clear in regards to the outcome. Saying "gimme those notes" doesn't feel like it should be a death sentence for a close friend lol
Bruh that Keira Metz quest, I swear to god, my first playthrough of the the game was my first ever RPG playthrough so I was under the impression that my decision couldnt be reloaded - so I acted as an angry Geralt, which I thought was fair, and suddenly had to frickin kill her. I remember legitimately staring in shock at my screen at her corpse. Made sure to pay attention on the second run. XD
@@vhyles which is exactly what I did - two full playthroughs, another half playthrough on a new account, now onto my third full playthrough, second one on the second account - just can't stop :P
If I remember right, in the books Geralt remembers killing a werewolf with a family. He regrets it but he needed the coin. Edit: I re-read the book and the werewolf did not have a family, but Geralt saw it was afraid and it just gave up when it saw Geralt and Geralt killed it.
Both before and after reading the books I never made even one of these decisions in any of my playthroughs, I could never conceive of Geralt nor myself making these choices
I have every choice mapped out in my head from making sure Kiera survives to not killing any sentient creatures like the succubus or trolls along with how to save Olgierd Von Everic from Gaunter. I play it the same way every time (probably over 6 or 7 full playthroughs) and I love it. Read all the books at a weird time in my life and I have to say they have always stuck with me.
@@xscissor524 my personal reasoning is that olgierd is a horrible person and brought the entire shit show down on geralt to begin with. Say what you will about Gaunter, but he was very fair with Geralt and saved Geralt from the consequences of Olgierds own bad choices (cursing the prince, lying about it, etc). Olgierd made those wishes with gaunter on his own free will for his own benefit, and thinking he could out smart gaunter was a gamble he took and predictably lost, and roach needs a better saddle for ng+ As for canonical geralt, I think there is even less of a chance geralt makes that decision, for the reasons listed above and the fact that it would be a horrible idea to make an enemy out of such a powerful entity, especially for someone like olgierd. Not to mention, if he can't solve the riddle he'd lose his soul for olgierd? No way geralt does that.
@@griffinq8003 agreed.. My reason to let Gaunter kill Olgierd was that Gaunter didn't lie or cheat and didn't forcefully make that contract, I understand Olgierd lost his fortune but he got greedy with the wishes and his poor choice of words trapped him, Gaunter fulfilled his end of the bargain and Olgierd tried to outsmart him..
I loved this video! Really interesting, never thought about some of these choices being out of character because I never choose them. Also the mention of XLetalis hahaha Another great content creator like you!
Some of the decisions in this game are lessened from a gameplay perspective. Take the doppler for example. I think most everyone can agree that Geralt would let him live, however from a gameplay perspective, this is the only chance you get to obtain the doppler mutagen, so if you're looking to "complete" everything, the choice is kind of made for you. Same thing with choosing Skellige's new ruler. Choosing Cerys is the only way to reach a certain Place of Power, so if you choose another path, you'll miss out. This doesn't speak to Geralt's character so much, but it is the devs deciding there's a "right" choice.
I'd say, that its not the devs deciding "right" or "wrong" choice. It's just yours - do you play story, trying to forge a new, your's Geralt, or you tried him to be as consistent as possible. At first I was really surprised, that there even a choice to got coins for searching Ciri, or not... like really? After some time later I get that it's... well.. a bit of trolling from CDPR project. A way to spark a lot of debates in community.
The Kiera quest messed me up, didn't realise id be forced to kill her as I wanted her to live and it didn't make sense for me to kill her. but it had been done and I didn't really want to reload a save as it was a choice that had been made.
I did exactly the same with Keira. Was forced to kill her as that dialogue option didn't seem like it would lead to that and so reloaded. I don't like reloading to change choices but this one I thought was both completely against how I wanted to play and so unexpected from the dialogue choice. I also thought the Dijkstra one was weird when I played through. I thought he was one of the best characters as he was clever and always just stayed on the side of being a bad guy rather than evil. Then he is suddenly so stupid as to force Geralt to kill him. That seemed so far out of character.
I was honestly startled by that dialogue with Kiera as well. I thought we'd have a longer conversation, maybe he'd, I dunno, restrain her hands or something until she calmed down, or they'd play a bit of childish "keep away" since Geralt can be rather childish from time to time, and given their whole date thing. I was really surprised it'd just jump instantly to "find, I'm going to kill my (obvious) friend". And yeah, this is from the perspective of a canon newbie. I didn't know who Kiera was, but clearly she's a friend or long-time acquaintance he's only mildly annoyed by and genuinely likes. What soldier of the people just jumps to murder of a friend for some paper?
I was having the feeling, that I was walking a thight rope with that Keira questline. Luckily managed to resolved it peacefully. Sent her to Kaer Morhen, and took the notes.
The funny ( stupid ) thing about Djikstra is that he mentions that he doesn't believe Witchers are neutral in Now or Never quest, he already knows it's bullshit but he chooses to wager on it by murdering Roche and co in front of geralt, maddening.
There are some pretty uncharacteristic choices for geralt in the previous two games as well, and I don't even think that Amnesia could excuse that. I'd love to see a video on that some day. For example - Letting Eredin take alvin's soul Killing Ada Not saving triss in Loc Muine
Not saving Triss in Loc Muinne is the correct choice in both playthroughs though, especially the Iorveth path. If you jump the gun to save Triss, you forgo curing Saskia from Philippa's control. Secondly, running to save Triss betrays Roche in his attempts to rescue Princess Anais, Foltest's last heir, from Detmold. It breaks like 4-5 quests on both sides if you just run off to grab Triss, and it's wasted effort anyway since Letho will personally rescue her if you take the other path.
@@SellingSouls Aye, especially since at the time, Triss is part of the Lodge who are actively messing with the Northern Realms. The only right choice Geralt could've made is not getting involved in the politics of it at all. But since we actively are involved in them throughout Witcher 2, it is definitely the wrong choice to attempt to throw all of them out the window. The only time you'd want to save Triss is if you want to prevent the Massacre of Loc Muinne with the mages, but this event happens regardless in Witcher 3 as the books canonize the beginning of the Witch Hunts in 1272 right after W2 ends.
@@Terror_Official "Letho will personally rescue her" how tf should geralt know that? Geralt shows time and time again that he breaks everything to save the few ones he loves.
@@SellingSouls It is. Geralt always puts his friends first. He'd never let her stay captive , for the sake of some political agenda. Its the same as not letting Dijkstra kill roche. If you read the books, you will understand where Geralt's true priorities are
Geralt, despite being a rather flawed man, is violently loyal to those he loves. He doesn't seem to make friends or trust very easily, but those who earn it, have him in their corner for the rest of their lives. Or until they betray him beyond what most people would forgive. The gossip of witchers having no emotions is proven completely wrong by the fact that Geralt has a moral code, and that he is, in fact, romantically involved with Goth Mommy. The man is well and truly a fuckin chad.
Some of the "controversial choices" Geralt would definitely make/not make- 1. Don't kill Kiera but also don't send her to Kaer Morhen. As much as players and me myself like sending Kiera to Kaer Morhen. Geralt would never in a million years reveal the location of someplace like Kaer Morhen to someone like Kiera Metz. 2. Spare Whoreson Junior. I kill him, always kill him on my playthroughs. But Geralt wouldn't, he was a down, without a weapon and wasn't a threat to Geralt anymore. Even if he was involved with Ciri, Geralt didn't know that if he hurt Ciri or not. And in Season of Storms, Geralt comes across a predator, rapist, pedophile, child murdered and a serial killer, Geralt doesn't kill him because he was no threat to Geralt himself. 3. Choose Yennefer and tell her "I love you". I agree Triss is better for many people but for Geralt? Nah, not even close. Yennefer is the only one that has Geralt heart. 4. Spare the Cat School Witcher. People might kill him for butchering the villagers but Geralt himself was in the same situation- getting stabbed with a Pitchfork so he'd understand. 5. Choose the Witcher's way in the Cerys side quest. From a gameplay and story perspective, trusting Cerys and putting the Baby in the Oven, is a much better choice. But you know what Geralt trusts more than Cerys? Himself and his ways. 6. Help both Cerys and Hjalmar but don't choose the Ruler of Skellige. Simple as fuck- Geralt doesn't get involved in politics by his own choice. 7. Don't let Ciri talk with the Lodge alone. Even if Ciri is confident now, Geralt's hate for the lodge and the fact that he even literally said that he would chase the lodge away from ciri if he has to. 8. For the end of Djikstra and Roche/Ves quest I do not know why the fuck would someone as intelligent as Djikstra would do something that stupid. Book Djikstra would never in a million hears betray Roche and Ves right in that moment in front of Geralt. Most un-characteristic thing from any character in The Witcher 3. But since he does it, its simple Geralt would side with Roche & Ves but another thing I'd like to say is that Geralt would never get involved in the plot of killing of killing Radovid in the first place but I'm not quite sure here as Radovid also poses a threat to Yennefer since she is a mage. So maybe maybe not.
I deffinitelly not agreeing with Keira. Geralt know she going to kill her self with her decision so she have no chice to go to what you offer. If you chossed the right anweres you know Keira don't want to harm anyone and she is just dumb and try to do the right thing. Not evil. I think that's why Gerat would let her go there. She has no one to tell the location to and would not do it anyway because she respects you. And as you progress through the story this get's confirmed anyway.
@@laszlonagy02 Lmao, not at all. She just fucking used Geralt for her own benefit and you think Geralt is going to reveal Kaer Morhen's location to her? Not in a million years lol.
I disagree wholeheartedly on saying Geralt would let Whoreson live. Besides the fact that Geralt DID know that Juniour attempted to hurt Ciri, Geralt also said this exact quote in regards to what he would do to protect her. "Whoever dares harm Ciri will end up like those four lying there. I won't swear an oath. I have nothing by which to swear. I simply warn you. You accused me of being a bad guardian, that I don't know how to protect the child. I will protect her. As best I can. I will kill. I will kill mercilessly..." Geralt would have killed Whoreson. That's just how it is.
@@cultofpersonality1145 Geralt wouldn't have mate! I always kill Whoreson. I've played the game 4 times and I always kill that piece of shit bastard. Geralt would have killed him if he would have tried to put up a fight. But in the moment he was lying and begging for his life Geralt wouldn't have. I could be wrong tho. But whatever the fuck dude that fucking piece of shit monster deserves death over and over again.
@@laszlonagy02 Is Keira really a friend of Geralt, though? From what I remember of the lore, Geralt's relationship with mages and sorceresses who aren't Triss or Yennefer usually boils down to "kind of aloof allies, until the inevitable moment when it's revealed Geralt's been used since the beginning", and I don't remember Keira really being any different. In fact, even Triss and Yennefer routinely manipulate him, both in the books AND in the games, Geralt is just more okay with that if it's them. Geralt would definitely warn Keira what she's doing is dumb, but other than that, I don't think he would have really stuck out his neck if she refused to see reason. "Don't say I didn't warn you." and all that.
I presumed that Radovid might use those notes to unleash a plague uppon his enemies and I kinda thought it's better to sacrifice Keira than heck knows how many people.
"Gimme those notes", Dumbledore asked calmly.
😂😂😂😂
Best comment of the section ! 10/10
"[Shove Dijkstra forcefully]"
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So yeah. I murdered Keira in my first playthrough and didn't reload the game. I felt really bad. There's sad music playing after you killed Keira.
Ciri: Will you visit his grave with me? I‘d like to ... to say goodbye.
Geralt: Sorry Ciri, I hate portals...
🤣, Geralt is not a Selfish guy
One of my friends actually picked the don't follow Ciri. I was like wtf
@@Kratos-dy4sz That's not Egoistic, It's Selfish
@@layzey9340 sorry my bad🤣
@@notsosecretsnacker5218 I think you mean ex-friend 💀
I've always made the choices I thought Geralt would make, I can't bring myself to change on each playthrough, have relied on RUclips to see the rest of the game.
Same. There are quests you have to Stick to the real geralt no matter what
Haha same here
Same, the reason why i always pick yen
I've decided to use random generated number for most choices to get myself to do some things I've never done before (I only didn't use it to reject doing quests unless rejecting on its own brought a consequence) Felt like a total dick after ending up in Velen killing last witch so I've reloaded and got happy ending lol. But I can't complain in general, got some dialogues and situations I haven't seen yet.
Lol It’s tough. I always say I’m gonna do a playthrough of being good and then being an ass and I always end up trying to be what geralt would be
I can absolutely relate to the accidentally killing kiera choice. I panicked so hard trying to quit out 😂
I got so confused. I don't know what was wrong with me at the time, but I was under the impression that she's gonna use the plague research to become a plague spreading supervillain. Not sure where that came from.
@@lipov7083 haha yes! I didn't know much about Keira at that point so I assumed she was doing something bad at the time
@@lipov7083 same thought.. damn
I made the same mistake (playing though currently). I’m also currently reading the books. Trying to go through it choosing options that seemed to match his character in book. The Keira thing is so deceptive. I freaked out when I had to kill her. Did not expect it. The way it was going was for sure Kiera potentially spreading a plague to enemies and Geralt would not have that. Really dumb they dramatically turned it into killing her. Oh well. Lol
I accidentally saved her, sent her to Kaer Morhan. Went on RUclips to see if I made the correct decision, and realised that there was a kill option.
I could never betray Roche and Ves since they literally drop everything to go to Kaer Morhen to fight the Wild Hunt with you, even though it's a hopeless situation anyway. Turning on them there just seems monstrous
Hi. I was the 69th like. I just tried recruiting everyone (first playthrough) and discovered who said no. Emiir. And djikstra. Mainly because geralt refused to betray his friends and family. How tf would that be a dumbass witch hunters plan let alone djikstra in return?
@@212mochaman yeah, Dijkstra is actually kind of hard to figure out how to get in the first place since it specifically forces you to let Triss be tortured long enough to learn where his treasure is. Even then, he only gives you 1000 gold at a point in the game where you probably have 10-20k anyway. Its really not worth it
I picked the betrayal option by accident and totally freaked out when I realized it, some time later Needless to say, I immediately reloaded even though I lost some progress. Let Nilfgaard take the North, screw it. Roche and Ves won't die on my watch.
It's actually a brutal choice, cause Roche's solution with selling North to Nilf's is unbelievably stupid. There's pure loyalty against reason situation
you should play witcher 2, more character development for ves and roche, even more reason why geralt would never let them be killed
Dijkstra didn't even need to betray them right then and there. Wait till Geralt is gone, set up a meeting to discuss future plans in private, send assassins or at the very least don't stand there yourself. Geralt could, in a quest after killing Radovid, find out about a betrayal. Depending on choices made during Roche's entire quest line, you can save them or not.
or Djiksta could just have told the others from the start that there is no way Nilfgaard was going to honor their part of the deal and instead suggest his own plan.
Yes. I could live with Dijkstra's idea of ruling the North, but not at that price. Roche and company continue to fight for a free Temeria after you save them or whatever.
@@countluke2334 No, ''Temeria'' becomes Nilfgaard's whore, because Roche sold it to them, his country and his people, while the rest of the North suffers under Nilfgaard. Roche's incredible selfishness and betrayal of anything that doesn't involve his Temeria is why leaving him to die was a fairly easy choice. Though for Geralt himself, is more a of decision to save Roche, a supposed ally in arms, a soldier or side with Dijkstra who helped save his friends. Tough choices either way, but it always amuses me how people get blinded by emotion and quick to kill, when Dijkstra has done more for Geralt than Roche ever has and will do a lot for the North as whole.
@@Kristers_K Yes, I completely agree. I was suggesting that would happen after you side with Dijkstra at first but then he doesn't immediately kill them, but imprison them, from which you could free them again - then they continue to fight for Temeria or whatever.
@@countluke2334 I never actually thought about it, you never see them being killed. But In my own headcanon i want to believe they were captured, they are patriots after all, in reality we don't know what happens to Roche, Ves and Thaler and i think it's done so for a reason by the game devs.
Also, i find it odd that Roche and the rest would be against Dijkstra, because Dijkstra seeks to liberate all of the North, not just Temeria, so technically Roche should be on his side, despite the ''betrayal'', if you can even call it that. Roche's stance further shows his biases, he wants free Temeria, but condemns the rest.
I will never get over how unbelievably stupid Djikstra is in that moment to expect Geralt to walk away and let his friends be murdered. Love the idea of that doppler Djikstra mod though, also saves you from having to kill the thief doppler for the mutagen!
in fact it would be better if Djikstra was a doppler, and something out of scene happened and that was the plan, another incident similar to Dudu's in the books.
It was probably on late development that they decided to change it, Keep in mind Reason Of State was supposed to happen before you met Ciri
Agreed, this one never sat well with me. I get that the idea of a culturally progressive, economically capitalistic country beat an empire and a religious extremist nation, and it put the player in a tough situation. But Djikstra is supposedly one of the smartest men in the Witcher universe, and he knows Geralt doesn’t care about politics. He had to know that he was goading him into a fight to the death.
That's one of the few issues I have with the writing for Witcher 3. It was so unbelievably stupid for me on two counts.
1. Geralt just wouldn't walk away and let his friends get murdered. Especially after they had gone to Kaer Morhen and helped defend Ciri against the wild hunt.
2. Its so wildly out of character for Dijkstra, he's basically a genius. He would know very well that Geralt would easily kill him and any goons he had with him.
@@BM-wf9uf absolutely. Djikstra is way smarter than Geralt ever will be. He would've known better.
I actually had the same thing happen on my first playthrough with Keira. I was so taken aback when I killed her, seemed like the dialogue was poorly written here and didn't communicate what those options would lead to properly.
Totally agree
I killed her under the pretense she was going to sell a plague to Nilfgard, I'd never thought I'd made the wrong decision until she could have helped at Kaer Morhen. The murdering was a real surprise.
Does she fight back? Or can you lose against her?
You can kill Keira? Wtf
Same i was trying to peacefully resolve and suddenly she was attacking me, had to reload
The singing troll outside of the city always makes me genuinely laugh in pure amusement for 5 minutes straight, it's the most random thing that amuses me and that I adore beyond words. Not to mention if you let Geralt draw the shield of arms of of Redeinia, it'll be WORSE than if the troll did it, it's hilarious. I swear that quest is a core memory of mine.
Trollolo 😂
It's one of my favorite and he didn't kill anyone he just eat them after they kill each other because he was hungry
And his songs are great
I’m currently reading the novels and I can attest that you’re definitely right with what Geralt would do. Honestly he probably wouldn’t kill Dijkstra though, just break his other foot.
Personally, I played TW3 before reading the books and looking back I made many mistakes. Geralt is too much of a passive person for a majority of the situations he's put into.
@@Soot_38 thats the problem clown, you played only witcher 3 and that's trilogy with non linear world and different choices where player makes Geralt choices not some books, in Witcher 2 you making friends who saving your Life imagine being passive and not saving them? Just casual clown
@@ТАДАМ-ю4ж actually reading the books after the fact like I just said means I know Geralt the Witcher far better than most. Yes the player makes choices in the third game for Geralt but like I was saying, and this goes for most people in their first play throughs, mistakes were made by choosing these incorrect choices that don’t follow the Witcher order or Geralts moral code.
The books, the first installation into the Witcher world which sets in stone much of the lore, tell and explain all of Geralts personality and very clearly shows his opinions on many affairs and what he would and would not choose to do.
Playing the Witcher 3 where you are playing a set character that already has mountains of lore and much story build up behind him you are playing that character only and do what that character would do, you don’t just make any choice you want. The books literally depict what he will do and say and how he does it.
And when I said he was passive this was referring to how Geralt and many Witcher’s stay away and don’t involve themselves in unnecessary situations that have no business involving a Witcher. Such as politics, war, land disputes so on an so forth. Geralt himself is not passive at all when it comes to saving anyone he deems a friend. He makes it very clear that anyone close to him he is the most loyal to and would protect them at any cost. Given many of these friends also saved Geralt at one point or another which solidifies their bond. Friendships that you get to see spark and flourish in the books. Especially triss which explains that their relationship was a more friends with benefits situation and not actual lovers, a love interest option they give you in the W3 that shouldn’t be there.
You my friend are the clown
@@Soot_38 you mentally slow, people change after events and time so Geralt moral code too, Geralt changes with time, with your choices so THERES NO BAD CHOICES cos every Geralt different play first and 2st game you clown
@@ТАДАМ-ю4ж you’re just wrong, you’re incredibly dense. Geralt never strays from the Witcher and his personal moral code unless an exception is made due to destiny. Destiny which plays a huge part of Geralts character delusion, doubt that you knew anything about that. There are set in stone opinions that geralt would rather die then go against it.
There are many bad choices to make that wouldn’t make any sense following the story and following Geralts previous actions and statements.
There is no way around anything I’ve said, it’s all correct and backed up throughly with two previous games and 8 fully fleshed books.
The one where you can betray Roche and Vess and CHADler is absolutely not something Geralt would ever do, especially when Djikstra is standing in front of him.
This is the same Djikstra that Geralt crippled when Sigi tried to persuade Geralt to hand Ciri over to him and then tried to slow him down from finding and saving Ciri and Yen during the Coup at Thanedd when attempts at persuasion failed.
i was so glad that the game made that choice to help djikstra he is my second favourite in the books i had to support him
True. But I just cannot allow Nilfgaard to win.
The whole quest is poorly written and the whole plot felt like an afterthought in the writing room, book Dijkstra would never do something so stupid in front of Geralt. They really needed to do the whole political plot line better in addition to expanding it.
@@MountAverage28 I had no problem to break his second leg when he stood in my way. Some things are just fun to do. I don't remember how the coup went on after that. I don't think Deikstra participated after taht.
I had to let Djikstra win.
The thing about Dijkstra is, that book-Dijkstra never would have acted like that. He's by far the most intelligent person on the continent, only rivaled by Esterad Thyssen, Emhyr and some of the sorceresses and mages. He would have known that Geralt is loyal to Roche, Ves, and Thaler. And he would have known that he is no match to Geralt. He was there when Geralt almost single-handedly destroyed the Scoia'tael group during the massacre of Thanned. Dijkstra is the one character of the books that CDPR totally messed up in the games. And it's a shame. I liked book-Dijkstra a lot.
The trolls. You're spot on. That's why I haven't got the "Trollslayer" achievement in TW2. I'd like to spare all trolls in the game but unfortunately some are too rabid in TW3.
even leaving geralt out of it, dijkstra wouldn't trust his future plans for the continent to his personal fighting skills against two elite special forces veterans. he'd have them killed indirectly, preferably in a way geralt wouldn't trace back to him.
@@joshridinger3407 True
Getting the trollslayer achievement hurt
Dijkstra in the game was also really smart UNTIL that stupid ass ending of the request.
@@arkarmoethouk2445 for him to not drop his game plan until Radovid is dead or decree a far cleverer scheme. It literally could have been re written for another quest later where you learn of a threat to Ves and Roche and can choose to intervene or not. Investigating further reveals the perpetrator to be djkstra and can lead to a confrontation. Spitballing here but splitting the quests could have provided the necessary material.
My biggest regrets in my first playthrough were killing Keira (didn’t know better at the time) and missing the unique Gwent cards from the party you attend with Triss.
Not the card! D:
So does it affect ur final ending in some sort ??? Cuz I also accidentally killed her.
@@shaikahamed3575 There are different endings, but as the video says, they kind of just ignore that decision if it happens.
@@shaikahamed3575 It does change one relatively minor thing. But I wouldn't say it's worth replaying the entire game to fix.
Never missed a card in my life because there was no shot I was leaving that party without playing a round of gwent
When I choose not to let Keira walk away with that scroll I was just super weirded out that this would result in Geralt and her fighting to the death. That just didn’t fit into their characters at all, so I reloaded my last save and choose another option 😵💫😵💫
Lol I felt bad when Keira said I'll tell Yennefer about what we did 🤣
@@sebastianc2077 Keira was a bad bitch for that one.
Hang on...I didn't let her leave with the scroll and didn't fight with her either. I even invited her to Kaer Mohren 🤔
@@aleksandarpolak maybe cause u destroyed the notes nd lab
For some reason I thought that if I let her go she would give a bio weapon to Radovid, and that I would be locked out of certain quests cause the peasants to the south of the map would be plagued, but now I see that would be an insane amount of work for a decision to entail
The Ciri-related decisions always hit me the hardest. Refusing to let her grieve and especially accepting the money.
The emotion on her face says it all
@@TH_Zireael2077 truly a masterpiece this game
Some of them are quite misleading tho. You are under time pressure to respond and the short text does often not reflect what you actually end up doing.
It's easy to mess up on a first time play through simply by accidentally making a choice you wouldn't have given more time and info.
Of the 5 pivotal decisions that determine her fate, you need at least 3 for the "best" ending and by pure luck I got 3
@boomerix I especially dislike the one at the laboratory. It doesn't make any sense - why is encouraging someone supposed to be a bad choice? And being with Ciri and the Lodge - out of context it doesn't look like surpressing her or something, it's just being there - doesn't make any sense to me either.
There’s no time for visiting the graves, but we always have time to play a round of gwent!
For that Dijkstra choice, I honestly feel like the devs planned something you and many of us discussed before, namely have Dijskstra silently assassinate Temerians after Geralt's long gone and only show it happening in the epilogue recap... but they probably decided it was too big of a moment to fully take away player's agency. Not knowing Dijkstra's plan to kill them, probably the majority of players would support him and then feel cheated with that conclusion. As such, the devs ended up giving us this last minute weirdness sacrificing character's consistency to maintain player's agency in that moment. And, purely gameplay-wise, it is a good decision. Alas, not so much narratively and in RPGs story is often a more important aspect than pure gameplay. Open betrayal is something as out of character for Dijkstra as killing innocents/friendlies is for Geralt (or, case in point, abandoning them to be killed). He's too smart and too aware of Geralt's morals to ever attempt that so I see the appeal of the doppler mod/theory. As such, sorry Sigi, you're one of my all-time favourites from both books and games, but if you're planning to kill others who are on that list (and all 3 of those Temerians are), it's you going down.
i'd rather have preferred a solution where Djikstra persuades the three temerians to not trust Emhyr, this would have caused a rift between them, and then Geralt is given the choice, leave after this or see this through till the end, then you do an additional side quest.
It's funny because I was extremely annoyed and disappointed by Dijkstra's sudden stupidity. I would have been much happier with the original plan.
Sometimes your choices have consequences you didn't predict. You are not in control of the world. Sacrificing Dijkstra's character to give us unnecessary agency was entirely a bad choice
Well the solution to that would be to have a way for Geralt to discover Dijskstra's plan before hand. Like through a note or an npc that showed up throughout the quest line. Imagine if Philipa mentioned she read Dijskstra's mind during their brief meeting. This prompts a dialogue choice to dig further or ignore Philipa with some snide comment. If you inquire further then she says something like, "I saw the wheels turing in his head once you mentioned the emperor, and got a vague impression of the plot and something about needing to 'tie up loose ends'." Now Geralt can be skeptical about it because its PHILIPA who's telling him this, but it could lead to an optional objective later on of searching Dijskstra's headquarters or alerting Roche who, being a master spy himself, would be able to foil Dijskstra's plan off screen. And that's just one possibility. There's probably a dozen more scenarios you could think of that wouldn't lead to supposed mastermind that is Dijskstra being so stupid as to gamble on Geralt letting his friends and allies die for no reason.
I peak Dijkstra any time: he is one of my favorite character from the books. However, Roach, ves and Tyler are no one for me.
The assassination plotline in general is one that has been said to have been massively shortened by time constraints.
you: talking about selling Ciri and how it's out of character
xLetalis: 👁️👄👁️
Just imagine Gerald telling the kids good luck and then eating 7 grilled chickens right in front of them
I wish there was an option to immediately give the money you get to Ciri and be like "Here, invest this in stocks or something"
I cant imagine she has a big allowance
Ciri: immediately buys 10000 shares of Nilfgaard
I felt like a goof after choosing that option recently. But I needed the money for grandmaster gear lol.
@@josiah_4241 😂 exactly. I went to hell trying to find you can I atleast get paid? Damn Ciri.
@@dazcrypto Ciri don't want Geralt to make that bread. Like chill girl, even witchers need to eat like everyone else.
My favorite part of the Dijkstra's doppler mod is that it also lets you get the doppler mutagen without doing the other out of character decision of killing the doppler you reference earlier in the video
i just wanna say that i have the attention span of a literal goldfish but with the way youre giving us the information is not only fun and very well articulated, but also clear to understand. not to mention, the quality of the video ideas. youre doing a great job!
It's 2022, we all have low attention spans.
Mythbuster busted that years ago, Goldfish have a memory.
@@myopicautisticmetal9035 they do indeed, up to a year if im recalling correctly, however i am mentioning attention span, which they have about 9 seconds of
My experience with Keira was exactly the same! I’d promised myself I wouldn’t do any reloading after decisions on my first playthrough, like a “what will be will be” thing. But then Keira died and I just sat there for a few minutes, hand over my mouth, and that became the only reload I did all game 😂
Agreed on all points in this one, my typical run sees me struggling with alchemy because I’m so against killing things that don’t deserve it. Anything requiring troll liver is a real pain in the arse, because I have to try to track down those rabid trolls to get any. Can’t kill any of the ones we get to talk to, they’re weirdly cute. Especially Trollololo (the White Eagle Fort guy) and Bart.
And then there's me, killing everything on sight. I played Skyrim before Wither 3 and because I came into the game with a dragonborne mindset, anyone who pissed and ticked me off was bound to lose his head.
@@DARTH-R3VAN finally someone playing the game right.
Killing Keira was a very unexpected result of asking her for the notes. I was totally shocked and surprised and this wasn’t even my first play-through, and even though it was sort of an “experimental” play-through where I was making different choices than I did with the first in many cases, I still couldn’t go with this result, so I reloaded the game.
I completely agree they are cute in their own way, they have an innocence almost childlike. I don't see how anyone could kill Trollololo as he has a very important job to guard the boatsis. I love his ingenious plan to protect the boats by using the boats to make a wall, now that is some next level master planning 🤣 no peasant would ever suspect the wall to actually be the boats they want to steal
@@DARTH-R3VAN personally I think Skyrim was the best game I have ever played, the size of the map and amount of quests is unreal. Also liked the fact you could go anywhere, your objective is the other side of a mountain, do you walk round the mountain? Hell no you just jump up and over the mountain 🤣🤣 plus all the titles you can get in that game. OK I think I need to crack Skyrim out again as its been awhile.
i think the Kiera Quest was just not given enough dialogue options. My thought was that Radavid was potentially going to use the notes to make a biological weapon against Nilfgaard potentially killing millions. I also didn't know who Kiera was
I think the Kiera quest was part of cut content. There was supposed to be whole plot line with the plague and a better Radovid plot line that got cut. Which is why you have many references to the plague with barely any impact and that wonky assassination quest.
Keira is a bit self serving in the books so this checks out. She still cares about u and Ciri a lot so she's good overall
I remember first time I killed Keira, because I felt used as heck. Then later in the game discovered that she could be an ally to defend Kaer Morhem. On my second playthough I invited her, but still the feeling of being used and betrayed didn’t leave me.
yeah same here i dont like beeing betrayed and used thats why i was like " give me that notes and leave as long as i let you " and she was like "naha i just attack you" ...."well then you choose death !"
Yea could’ve died getting those notes, kill her every time
I literally cannot even bring myself to watch the cutscene where Geralt accepts the Emperor's coin in front of Ciri, even when it's put in the video as a joke! 🤣
It's traumatizing, I couldn't either.
On my very first playthrough, knowing absolutely nothing of the witcher series, or it's lore, I think I pretty much screwed Ciri over.
On completion of the game, again knowing nothing of the multiple ways of getting multiple endings, I was totally and utterly ashamed of myself, and devastated at the way the game ended.
Of course, I got the worse possible ending but luckily I was told by a friend of the multiple endings and the many ways in which you could achieve the different endings.
I couldn't wait to correct my mistakes. I remember nearly being in tears when I completed the game again having gotten the ending I wanted.
The witcher series are the only games I've played in my near 30 years of gaming that brought out the full range of emotions a human is capable of feeling.
I doubt any developer or studio will ever come close to this level again.
Bravo CDPR and bravo to you neon Knight for reminding us all of the sheer joy this game brought to millions of like-minded people. 👏👏👏
I remember thinking I made mostly decent choices...until I sold Ciri. That felt awful.
Have you read the books since then? If not, I highly recommend them if you loved the game.
First playthrough is the real one.
I didn't played any games or read the books but I felt the need to watch a nutshell recap of the lore to actually play the game near to right. And it matterd very mucu because I did very good almost every aspect of the game. I made geralt a littlebit aggresive to strangers but it was me, not how you should roleplay as him.
@@laszlonagy02 as a huge fan of the books I'd say having Geralt a bit aggressive to strangers is within his character. He has a good heart but by no means is a nice guy. In the books he's rude, cynical and often threatens people (mostly as scare tactics as he only pulls the blade out on real evil bastards or in defence). That's how RP him too in games.
I love how the section is called “sorry xLetalis”
But why exactly? Does xLetalis like to sell Ciri to Emhyr?
@@countluke2334 It’s a running gag on his channel where he sells Ciri in basically every video
Wasn’t there a quest where you had the option to break Dijkstra‘s leg while he begged you to stop?
That always felt super brutal for Geralt.
It's really an easter egg, Geralt already breaks Dijkstra's leg in the books, that's why he has a crutch around his left shin
It was also one of the weird options. The option said "Roughly Push Dijkstra aside" Which seems like it would be a case of knock him to the floor or shoulder check him or something. Not punch him in the face and break his good leg.
Well...Geralt totally did that in the books with the first leg
@@Ranadinn Ye I was so shook when Gerald fucking destroyed Djikstra when I just wanted to shove him aside lol
Given how massive of a cunt Dijkstra is to Geralt in the books and given that has already done that once, this is in fact very much the in-character option, quite satisfying I must admit.
At first, I refused to visit Skjall's grave because i thought Ciri would've found out that Yenneferr used necromancy on Skjall and that'll upset her and ruin their relationship. But after i reloaded the save and chose to visit the grave, it wasn't being mentioned anyway so the option not to visit the grave feels like Geralt just being a bad dad.
"Although if you, the player, needed to kill him to get that mutagen..." "...Seventeen roasted chickens in your pocket..." I did not come here to get called out that hard, sir.
11 mins in and big YES to that djikstra decision. Personally, I want Djikstra to rule because he's an economist and has proper values where it counts (most times), but right in that moment?? There's no way Geralt, who values relationships the most, would ever walk away to let his friends be murdered. So in my first playthrough, it was regretful to have to give up a better leader... but I can't not play Geralt correctly.
Thans for making this video! It's very original and brings up an interesting discussion.
oh and yes to a blood and wine version!
Right.. my solution to this was that Roche was not my real friend, as I didn't sided with him in Witcher 2. And as for Vess - I didn't "manage" to save her during the village ambush. Was my only failed quest. However the game decided one death is not enough for her, so she appeared again just to be killed again by Dijkstra... The game intentinally pushes you to one of bad choices... Radovid is clear no-go due to his violent xenophobia, I hate Nilfgaard to the core since their first mention in the book... so if I have to choose, there is no real choice from both mine and Geralt point of view as I understand it.
@@Adamos321 Roche is a great guy tho, my first W2 playthrough I went with Iorveth (as why tf would I not be on the same side as Zoltan), but even during that playthrough, you run into Roche and he actually helps you despite the fact that you sided with his hated enemy
Loved the video, I agree with all of your choices! Would love to see a Blood and Wine edition of this!
Same
Funny how in my very first playthrough I made ALL the choices Geralt would make (sending Keira to Kaer Morhen, sparing the doppler in Novigrad, killing Radovid AND Dijkstra, and so on) without even knowing much about Geralt.
Though I gotta say I like the fact that the game gives you the right to choose, even with the possibility of Geralt acting “out of character”. Realistically speaking, we all can act “out of our character” from time to time, especially when tired, worried or angry. And if you want Geralt to stay most true to himself, you just make all the respective choices - and I bet you'll feel better knowing that it wasn't predestined by devs, but rather you yourself deliberately CHOSE Geralt to stay canon.
Thanks for awesome videos, keep it up!
I made SO many mistakes on my first playthrough.
When you start the game, at the very beginning, Geralt asks Vesemir which side they are in, and Vesemir says The Northern Realms. So i decided to do one of my many playthoughs taking every decision having that in mind, and funnily enough, some of them are in this video. Like 1:16 , 8:36 , 15:33
There's another choice Geralt would never make. In Crow's Perch there's an interaction where the baron's men try to "defile" an innocent woman. You can choose to walk away here but that's just non-sensical.
I dunno man. The wiki states this;
"Originally, Geralt was convicted, enthusiastic, incentive and held faith that he was needed in a world full of monsters and beasts to protect the innocent, although Vesemir greatly advised him not to play at being a knight errand or uphold the law. After travelling about 50 miles after leaving Kaer Morhen, Geralt was anxious to kill his first monster. He encountered a bald man with rotten teeth, who stopped a peasant's cart and pulled out a young girl whilst his companions held down her father as the bald man tore off her dress yelling it was time for her to meet a real man and attempted to rape her. Geralt rode up and told him the time had come for him to meet one too, The thug released the girl and charged at him with an axe, Geralt managed to strike him twice with his blade and killed him. The young witcher turned expecting gratitude, however the father fled with the attackers and the girl who was drenched in the man's blood vomited, became hysterical and fainted in fear when Geralt approached her. This event caused Geralt to rarely interfere with such matters.[2]"
@@levicarney1162 That's from one of the books where he's explaining his dispassion, and goes on to contract himself many times in his adventuring.
@@levicarney1162 in the most recent book, he goes out of his way to save someone in this same situation because of his “scruples”
@@jayspeidell he actually says to that mute girl in the first book how he tends to avoid those situations. He has still gotten involved of course, but there's no doubt that he's looked the other way before.
@@randomfactsthatdontmatter3466 I think in between Levi's comment and the Blakiven incident is when he turned his head the other way the most.
During my current playthrough, I killed both the doppler and the succubus in Novigrad, in order to get the steam achievement, for completing 2 contracts without oils; signs or potions (didn't get it, in the end). I've never taken these options before, because like you said, the doppler doesn't mean any harm and, in my opinion, the succubus acted in self-defense. so now I'm playing a "cursed" playthrough, where I made decisions I, or Geralt, would never make otherwise
If you are trying yo get this achievement make sure you don't have any decooctions active or mutagens equipped because they also count against it
I also killed Keira because I didn't expect it to escalate so fast
Good thing saves exist
I've always thought Gerald was a cold-hearted killer who would do anything for coin until I finished the game and learned more from this video after. Glad to know he's so kind.
Its just a facade. He likes to look like it, sometimes he may even believe it himself. But he would rather starve than killing innocents. The books are full of him declining contracts.
😂😂😂
I mean that's how I played it I thought that was his character...
It's lierally wrtten in the back cover of the books...A COLD BLOODED ASSASSIN AND A RUTHLESS KILLER
@@535phobos In one of the short stories "A Little Sacrifice", he and Dandelion actually did starve for several days because of his scruples.
That Keira thing is so weird though, like I picked that option of her not leaving with the notes, cause bioweapon bad, but I had no idea it lead to a fight, it's quite jarring imo.
She attacks him. Geralt did nothing wrong.
@@The_Custos I disagree, you might fight but Geralt doesn't have to kill her. It's just not in his nature.
@@tobiasL1991 accidents can happen, she died of bleed when I killed her recently. Teleport, zap zap zap, gets cut a few times, teleports, insults, dies of bloodloss.
So, in your mind bioweapon is bad unless Keira has to die? Then it's good?
@@miloradowicz What? No.
I'm just saying Geralt can just incapacitate Keira and destroy the notes, he doesn't have to outright kill her.
You forgot to mention most important decision game leave in player hands. He would never choose Triss over Yennefer.
Love this concept. Also, I can totally relate on the Keira quest. My first playthrough I wasn't very clear on all the options I had to pick in that scene and ended up at that same point. I read "gimme the notes" as "Oh, well if Geralt has the notes, she can't go to Radovid and if she can't go to Radovid, she won't get executed" (I at least knew she'd die if she went to Radovid and I was stupidly hopeful that "gimme the notes" was sort of a third neutral option where you don't shelter her at Kaer Morhen but you don't send her to her death). Then the sword came out and I was just like "wait wut? ... Okay, how far back was my last save?" XD
Yes but of you cared about Keira a little bit, you know that she do any dumb thing she decides so you have to be careful to not anger her. I did it first try and was so confused how other decisions would turn out because I couldn't understan why would Geralt choose those answeres. She is the best tutorial character for roleplay because going straight to the point is not always the best decision. And you can f*ck up if you not emerge into the character of Geralt. This game is not something you can rush.
I think the main thing geralt would NEVER do is choosing triss over yennifer
true
I was shocked and had to reload my save after entering combat with Keira which I did not expect to happen at all, I just thought she would give the papers or the battle would have ended early with her giving up, it definitely confused me lol
Very cool concept for a video. There were a lot of decisions that, just knowing who Geralt is, I passed on. Killing the succubus on Skellige whose just living in her cave with her boytoy, for example.
The way the Witcher games handle Geralt is similar to the way the Yakuza games handle Kiryu Kazuma. They are both fully developed characters with their own codes of conduct. There are things neither of them will do, period. This let's the games meaningfully explore their characters by looking at what they WILL do, which you can't do if with a blank slate.
Cómo describirías a Gerald.../? Porque debo matar al súcubo?
@@jissjily857 Geralt does not kill sentient monsters if they aren't harming anyone. The succubus wasn't doing anything bad, so when the choice came to help the druid kill her or to let her live in peace, I knew Geralt would choose not to attack.
Dunno if you've ever talked about it, but there's this little side quest called The Nithing that pisses me off to no end. Basically, a man left a woman for another woman, she got pissed, and, being somewhat knowledgeable in magic, created a nithing totem that would curse the man's underage son he's raising now to fall ill and die. The only choices in this quest are either to force the poor man to go back to live with the crazy witch, in which case she undoes the curse, or to turn it into a HUMAN CONTRACT by carving her name into the nithing YOURSELF so that the curse reflects on her and she dies eventually. The real Geralt would just tell the man HOW to reverse the curse and leave HIM to make this choice for HIMSELF (he knows ho to write, he posted that note on the notice board) and LEAVE. I was so appalled I just loaded an earlier save and pretended my Geralt never stumbled upon this abominable choice.
For the Kiera decision, I actually didn't kill her in my first play through but my second playthrough by accident since I was just speeding through the dialogue. I was extremely confused during the whole fight and surprised that there was even a possibility of fighting Kiera, but not feeling comfortable with having her dead I reloaded a save and sent her to Kaer Morhen like my first playthrough.
Same. All the good answeres just came as the game gave me. It was logical if you made the right dicisons to reveal Kiras personality to Geralt.
Cool story bro
Same I was being silly and chose the FU dialog. Saved Lambert at least
leaving Sweet Nettie to get tortured after questioning Nathaniel is another one.
Yeah same, on the Metz quest. But I forgot to save beforehand, and couldn’t reload.
I love how you named the section, where you sell out Ciri ' Sorry xLetalis' .
I accidentally killed Keira during my first playthrough too! I didn't reload, and when I found out later that there was an option to send her to Kaer Morhen, I felt so bad about it xD
hey man, found this through my recommended and just had to binge all your videos. insane how good your first video was, you have a great attention to detail so it's no surprise you're getting new people in. i like your takes and appreciate how you let the whole scene play out the most common way first in your 'what happens' vids, then show the changes. psyched to see you grow and appreciate the quality vids :)
I had the same issue with Kira, but I fixed it in a reload.
Wonderful video. Strange to me that I hadn't seen this theme discussed before, in all these years TW3 has been out! It's much more compelling truly roleplaying Geralt, certainly far more than the shallow paladin you get the option to turn him into.
4:58 damn it was absolutely the Same for me. In my first playthrough i felt like geralt would offend her to give him the notes. Never thought it would escalate so quickly😂
Exactly :D I was scared at that moment, how she attacked me and I was supposed to kill her... Wohooo calm down your tits, just give me the papers and go away woman!
same for me 🤧
Please, more Witcher 3 vids from Neon Knight. Always clear and calm, unlike some doing Witcher vids who just get annoying. Love your work.
I still remember killing Kiera on my first play through. I was shocked when my long time ally and friend just started coming at me like that. I even tried just running away and avoiding the fight. In the end, I felt bad afterward but didn’t know how to reload so just carried on
3:32 There are two mutagens I'll never get unless by cheating. Doppler and Succubus
5:47 something does happen, when you go back to novigrad after finding ciri, you discover that Keira was burned at the stake
My story was the same, Neon, serving playthrough I wanted to try different answers and had no idea "gimme the notes" was going to kill Keira. I felt terrible afterwards.
*second playthrough
As I recall there's a mod that allows Dijkstra to live and rule and spare Roche and Ves. Best ending and much more logical.
Unfortunately the doppler has to die in order for u to make the doppler decoction....it's how the cookie crumbles.I've made peace with it!
I played the Keira quest with my gf recently. She was calling the dialogue options while I just walked and fought. We ended up fighting Keira, but I just ran away. That resulted in her going to Radovid, as the journal suggests.
Gimme those notes was definitely diminished.... like "shove dijkstra"
Triss on the thumbnail with this title? I see, u are a man of culture...
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Yes please do a blood and wine version! Lovely video!
I always thought that the only reason why Geralt would ever consider killing Keira would be to prevent what he mentions, which is using the disease as weapon that can get out of hand and kill tens of thousands of innocents so he would go to the length of killing Keira to do that. But that doesn't change the fact of how random killing Keira seems to be in the quest and just like you said I also never though "gimme those notes" would end in a fight to the death I was baffled the first time I played the game it was so out of nowhere. Anyways great video as always loved it and greed with everything you said! Also I see what you did there with putting Geralt and Triss together in a thumbnail of a video called "choices Geralt would NEVER make" lmfao I love that so much
Yup, I thought that maybe after defeating her, she´d just surrender. (There are some games like that.)
After she died, I know I wanted to reload, but for whatever reason, I decided not to. (corrupted save? would lose too many hours?)
Yep. Didn't reload in this case because I don't generally like undoing major decisions unless they lock me in a significant way, but I certainly did not expect this to go the way it did.
Yeah, the same thing happend to me when I first played. Literally had no idea things could escalate into killing her. Only time I reloaded my save in the Witcher.
I really wasn't knew that geralt will kill keira if I choose that dialogue, an also wasn't aware of that i could have loaded save game :(
I also killed Kiera by accident. Didn’t expect that outcome as several other choices are not clear on what the expected consequences are.
I never noticed the Harry Potter reference at the end of the Unpaid Debt quest. Volund says "For a minute there...For a minute I thought you'd do it. Thought you'd kill me." and you can respond "For a minute there, so did I". In the Goblet of Fire movie, Cedric says to Harry "For a moment there, I thought you were gonna let it get me." and Harry says "For a moment, so did I." I love all the references they put in this masterpiece of a game!
Ha I agree, I thought the same thing. Too specific to be a coincidence.
Yes I deffo want a blood and wine version
As always top notch content! Would love to see a part 2 for this video!
To be fair when you're playing this game for the first time the dialogue options in that Keira scene are not at all clear in regards to the outcome. Saying "gimme those notes" doesn't feel like it should be a death sentence for a close friend lol
The problem of killing Keira is that Lambert dies in the battle for Khaer Morhan
Bruh that Keira Metz quest, I swear to god, my first playthrough of the the game was my first ever RPG playthrough so I was under the impression that my decision couldnt be reloaded - so I acted as an angry Geralt, which I thought was fair, and suddenly had to frickin kill her. I remember legitimately staring in shock at my screen at her corpse. Made sure to pay attention on the second run. XD
Same
I had to reload, lost about 10 hours of progress but it was worth it
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer a normal person would simply learn and make different decisions in NG+
@@vhyles which is exactly what I did - two full playthroughs, another half playthrough on a new account, now onto my third full playthrough, second one on the second account - just can't stop :P
If I remember right, in the books Geralt remembers killing a werewolf with a family. He regrets it but he needed the coin.
Edit: I re-read the book and the werewolf did not have a family, but Geralt saw it was afraid and it just gave up when it saw Geralt and Geralt killed it.
i don't remember anything about a family. just that the werewolf was scared
I guess Geralt has the right to kill all werewolves in W3
I felt bad for the werewolf, noticed you put an edit as I was going to say it doesn't mention the werewolf having a family just being scared 😔
there’s also a warewolf who he spared and became friends with in the books so it can go either way
Personally I think theres no way Geralt chooses Triss over Yennerfer
What about saving the old lady vs saving the kids from the witches?
Both before and after reading the books I never made even one of these decisions in any of my playthroughs, I could never conceive of Geralt nor myself making these choices
I have every choice mapped out in my head from making sure Kiera survives to not killing any sentient creatures like the succubus or trolls along with how to save Olgierd Von Everic from Gaunter. I play it the same way every time (probably over 6 or 7 full playthroughs) and I love it.
Read all the books at a weird time in my life and I have to say they have always stuck with me.
This game has so many different options why would u wanna play the exact same choices every time
To be fair though, I could easily see Geralt walking away and letting olgierd die
@@griffinq8003 what was your reasoning for letting Gaunter kill Olgierd?
@@xscissor524 my personal reasoning is that olgierd is a horrible person and brought the entire shit show down on geralt to begin with. Say what you will about Gaunter, but he was very fair with Geralt and saved Geralt from the consequences of Olgierds own bad choices (cursing the prince, lying about it, etc). Olgierd made those wishes with gaunter on his own free will for his own benefit, and thinking he could out smart gaunter was a gamble he took and predictably lost, and roach needs a better saddle for ng+
As for canonical geralt, I think there is even less of a chance geralt makes that decision, for the reasons listed above and the fact that it would be a horrible idea to make an enemy out of such a powerful entity, especially for someone like olgierd. Not to mention, if he can't solve the riddle he'd lose his soul for olgierd? No way geralt does that.
@@griffinq8003 agreed.. My reason to let Gaunter kill Olgierd was that Gaunter didn't lie or cheat and didn't forcefully make that contract, I understand Olgierd lost his fortune but he got greedy with the wishes and his poor choice of words trapped him, Gaunter fulfilled his end of the bargain and Olgierd tried to outsmart him..
I loved this video! Really interesting, never thought about some of these choices being out of character because I never choose them. Also the mention of XLetalis hahaha Another great content creator like you!
Some of the decisions in this game are lessened from a gameplay perspective. Take the doppler for example. I think most everyone can agree that Geralt would let him live, however from a gameplay perspective, this is the only chance you get to obtain the doppler mutagen, so if you're looking to "complete" everything, the choice is kind of made for you.
Same thing with choosing Skellige's new ruler. Choosing Cerys is the only way to reach a certain Place of Power, so if you choose another path, you'll miss out. This doesn't speak to Geralt's character so much, but it is the devs deciding there's a "right" choice.
I'd say, that its not the devs deciding "right" or "wrong" choice. It's just yours - do you play story, trying to forge a new, your's Geralt, or you tried him to be as consistent as possible.
At first I was really surprised, that there even a choice to got coins for searching Ciri, or not... like really?
After some time later I get that it's... well.. a bit of trolling from CDPR project. A way to spark a lot of debates in community.
The Kiera quest messed me up, didn't realise id be forced to kill her as I wanted her to live and it didn't make sense for me to kill her. but it had been done and I didn't really want to reload a save as it was a choice that had been made.
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I did exactly the same with Keira. Was forced to kill her as that dialogue option didn't seem like it would lead to that and so reloaded. I don't like reloading to change choices but this one I thought was both completely against how I wanted to play and so unexpected from the dialogue choice.
I also thought the Dijkstra one was weird when I played through. I thought he was one of the best characters as he was clever and always just stayed on the side of being a bad guy rather than evil. Then he is suddenly so stupid as to force Geralt to kill him. That seemed so far out of character.
I was honestly startled by that dialogue with Kiera as well. I thought we'd have a longer conversation, maybe he'd, I dunno, restrain her hands or something until she calmed down, or they'd play a bit of childish "keep away" since Geralt can be rather childish from time to time, and given their whole date thing. I was really surprised it'd just jump instantly to "find, I'm going to kill my (obvious) friend". And yeah, this is from the perspective of a canon newbie. I didn't know who Kiera was, but clearly she's a friend or long-time acquaintance he's only mildly annoyed by and genuinely likes. What soldier of the people just jumps to murder of a friend for some paper?
Always enjoy witcher 3 content discovered and analysed after so long! Thanks for the hard work.
I was having the feeling, that I was walking a thight rope with that Keira questline. Luckily managed to resolved it peacefully. Sent her to Kaer Morhen, and took the notes.
The funny ( stupid ) thing about Djikstra is that he mentions that he doesn't believe Witchers are neutral in Now or Never quest, he already knows it's bullshit but he chooses to wager on it by murdering Roche and co in front of geralt, maddening.
Thanks for the video! I also wanted to ask what would Geralt pick in the quest "In the heart of the woods", kill the leshen or spare it?
Geralt is really kind. The people in the game misjudge him.
He is. He's a good lad. When he gets judged by monsters, it's probably one of my fave quests.
There are some pretty uncharacteristic choices for geralt in the previous two games as well, and I don't even think that Amnesia could excuse that. I'd love to see a video on that some day.
For example - Letting Eredin take alvin's soul
Killing Ada
Not saving triss in Loc Muine
Not saving Triss in Loc Muinne is the correct choice in both playthroughs though, especially the Iorveth path. If you jump the gun to save Triss, you forgo curing Saskia from Philippa's control. Secondly, running to save Triss betrays Roche in his attempts to rescue Princess Anais, Foltest's last heir, from Detmold. It breaks like 4-5 quests on both sides if you just run off to grab Triss, and it's wasted effort anyway since Letho will personally rescue her if you take the other path.
Not saving Triss isn't the wrong choice though. lmao
@@SellingSouls Aye, especially since at the time, Triss is part of the Lodge who are actively messing with the Northern Realms. The only right choice Geralt could've made is not getting involved in the politics of it at all. But since we actively are involved in them throughout Witcher 2, it is definitely the wrong choice to attempt to throw all of them out the window. The only time you'd want to save Triss is if you want to prevent the Massacre of Loc Muinne with the mages, but this event happens regardless in Witcher 3 as the books canonize the beginning of the Witch Hunts in 1272 right after W2 ends.
@@Terror_Official "Letho will personally rescue her" how tf should geralt know that? Geralt shows time and time again that he breaks everything to save the few ones he loves.
@@SellingSouls It is. Geralt always puts his friends first. He'd never let her stay captive , for the sake of some political agenda. Its the same as not letting Dijkstra kill roche.
If you read the books, you will understand where Geralt's true priorities are
Same on the Kiera Metz dialogue, I didn't think it'd escalate that fast on my first playthrough. I just wanted geralt to be sassy as he is sometimes
I also accidentally killed Keira regretted it immediately reloaded a previous save and sent them to Kaer Morhen
Geralt, despite being a rather flawed man, is violently loyal to those he loves. He doesn't seem to make friends or trust very easily, but those who earn it, have him in their corner for the rest of their lives. Or until they betray him beyond what most people would forgive. The gossip of witchers having no emotions is proven completely wrong by the fact that Geralt has a moral code, and that he is, in fact, romantically involved with Goth Mommy. The man is well and truly a fuckin chad.
Geralt would never choose Triss...
Some of the "controversial choices" Geralt would definitely make/not make-
1. Don't kill Kiera but also don't send her to Kaer Morhen. As much as players and me myself like sending Kiera to Kaer Morhen. Geralt would never in a million years reveal the location of someplace like Kaer Morhen to someone like Kiera Metz.
2. Spare Whoreson Junior. I kill him, always kill him on my playthroughs. But Geralt wouldn't, he was a down, without a weapon and wasn't a threat to Geralt anymore. Even if he was involved with Ciri, Geralt didn't know that if he hurt Ciri or not. And in Season of Storms, Geralt comes across a predator, rapist, pedophile, child murdered and a serial killer, Geralt doesn't kill him because he was no threat to Geralt himself.
3. Choose Yennefer and tell her "I love you". I agree Triss is better for many people but for Geralt? Nah, not even close. Yennefer is the only one that has Geralt heart.
4. Spare the Cat School Witcher. People might kill him for butchering the villagers but Geralt himself was in the same situation- getting stabbed with a Pitchfork so he'd understand.
5. Choose the Witcher's way in the Cerys side quest. From a gameplay and story perspective, trusting Cerys and putting the Baby in the Oven, is a much better choice. But you know what Geralt trusts more than Cerys? Himself and his ways.
6. Help both Cerys and Hjalmar but don't choose the Ruler of Skellige. Simple as fuck- Geralt doesn't get involved in politics by his own choice.
7. Don't let Ciri talk with the Lodge alone. Even if Ciri is confident now, Geralt's hate for the lodge and the fact that he even literally said that he would chase the lodge away from ciri if he has to.
8. For the end of Djikstra and Roche/Ves quest I do not know why the fuck would someone as intelligent as Djikstra would do something that stupid. Book Djikstra would never in a million hears betray Roche and Ves right in that moment in front of Geralt. Most un-characteristic thing from any character in The Witcher 3. But since he does it, its simple Geralt would side with Roche & Ves but another thing I'd like to say is that Geralt would never get involved in the plot of killing of killing Radovid in the first place but I'm not quite sure here as Radovid also poses a threat to Yennefer since she is a mage. So maybe maybe not.
I deffinitelly not agreeing with Keira. Geralt know she going to kill her self with her decision so she have no chice to go to what you offer. If you chossed the right anweres you know Keira don't want to harm anyone and she is just dumb and try to do the right thing. Not evil. I think that's why Gerat would let her go there. She has no one to tell the location to and would not do it anyway because she respects you. And as you progress through the story this get's confirmed anyway.
@@laszlonagy02 Lmao, not at all. She just fucking used Geralt for her own benefit and you think Geralt is going to reveal Kaer Morhen's location to her? Not in a million years lol.
I disagree wholeheartedly on saying Geralt would let Whoreson live. Besides the fact that Geralt DID know that Juniour attempted to hurt Ciri, Geralt also said this exact quote in regards to what he would do to protect her. "Whoever dares harm Ciri will end up like those four lying there. I won't swear an oath. I have nothing by which to swear. I simply warn you. You accused me of being a bad guardian, that I don't know how to protect the child. I will protect her. As best I can. I will kill. I will kill mercilessly..." Geralt would have killed Whoreson. That's just how it is.
@@cultofpersonality1145 Geralt wouldn't have mate! I always kill Whoreson. I've played the game 4 times and I always kill that piece of shit bastard. Geralt would have killed him if he would have tried to put up a fight. But in the moment he was lying and begging for his life Geralt wouldn't have. I could be wrong tho. But whatever the fuck dude that fucking piece of shit monster deserves death over and over again.
@@laszlonagy02 Is Keira really a friend of Geralt, though? From what I remember of the lore, Geralt's relationship with mages and sorceresses who aren't Triss or Yennefer usually boils down to "kind of aloof allies, until the inevitable moment when it's revealed Geralt's been used since the beginning", and I don't remember Keira really being any different. In fact, even Triss and Yennefer routinely manipulate him, both in the books AND in the games, Geralt is just more okay with that if it's them. Geralt would definitely warn Keira what she's doing is dumb, but other than that, I don't think he would have really stuck out his neck if she refused to see reason. "Don't say I didn't warn you." and all that.
I presumed that Radovid might use those notes to unleash a plague uppon his enemies and I kinda thought it's better to sacrifice Keira than heck knows how many people.
Yeah I did the same
I always want to adopt the war orphans like you can in Skyrim
I wished you could find them later at the Novigrad orphanage.
@@MjollTheLioness-o4y Need a Witcher mod for this. And to allow me to fund the orphanage with my gwent winnings.