MGS2 & American Politics [ELECTION SPECIAL]
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In this episode of our ongoing retrospective on 2001's METAL GEAR SOLID 2: SONS OF LIBERTY, we discuss the other side of American culture thus far we've ignored: the 'lunatic fringe'.
As much as MGS2 can function as an eerie premonition of the modern age, the game remains deeply rooted in the ongoing sociopolitical problems that defined the 1990s. Just how did the last decade of the American Century prefigure the same problems we're facing today, and how have these same issues dogged the American experiment, from one election to another, going all the way back to the original Sons of Liberty? Watch to find out!
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"The long awaited sequel to the PlayStation game Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty was released on November 13th, 2001. MGS2 does not star the former FOXHOUND agent Solid Snake. Instead, Hideo Kojima took players into the mind of super soldier Raiden, a stealth operative on his first live combat scenario. His objective is to stop a group of terrorists, calling themselves the Sons of Liberty. This includes blowing up a large oil cleanup facility and killing the President of the United States.
MGS2's innovations included its introduction of the laser sight mechanic for more accurate aiming, and a refined cover system that allowed both players and enemies to shoot from cover. It also introduced collective enemy AI routines that relied on squad tactics rather than working individually, while individual enemies expressed fear and even birds had their own AI routines. MGS2 was considered to have the best enemy AI in gaming for many years. The physics was also a major step forward for gaming, particularly the sophisticated particle effects for its time (including for individual drops of rain) and the way objects moved.
The game earned both critical and commercial acclaim upon release, with the highest sales and review scores in the series. However, the game's convoluted story, excessive use of Codec conversations and new protagonist Raiden was criticized by a number of fans, temporarily relegating him to a joke character (even with Kojima himself) until his popular transformation in Metal Gear Solid 4.
Despite the controversy surrounding the unexpected bait-and-switch and convoluted storyline at the time, Sons of Liberty is today seen as a landmark title in the history of video games. It is considered the first truly postmodern video game, is frequently cited as a primary example of artistic expression in video games, and is generally considered one of the most influential games of the past decade, both for its artistic influence on later video game storylines (most notably Eternal Darkness, Killer7, Portal, and especially BioShock, which even featured a very similar plot twist) as well as its influence on the gameplay mechanics of many action games since."
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Your description of the Anti-Federalists is absolutely incorrect. They FEARED a strong national government, and favored a system of independent states that could organize collective action through a CONFEDERAL government.
True, but in trying to discuss how these memes have evolved over time, I thought it would be too confusing to stick to that original distinction. Today, federalism roughly is much more associated with decentralized power, so it seemed appropriate to call the POV that calls for greater centralization, 'anti-Federalism'. This is cheating a bit, but it was necessary with the time frame I had.
I admit if I had had the time, I would have explained this issue with more of the nuance it probably deserves, tackling how the 'Federalists' and 'Anti-Federalists' gave way to the modern Democratic and Republican Parties. Bbut this video was already tacking too large a number of topics as it is. So this pinned comment will have to suffice.
Ironically, at the time of the Constitutional Convention, both sides declared the other side 'Anti-Federalist'. In a way this points to the very problem with words I'm describing throughout the entire video.
@@FuturasoundProductions Is too smart for his own good. Makes cool MGS videos tho😘
@Omar Briar you're pretty bad
After watching this video, I think it's safe to say that @Futurasound Productions is a Leftist.
Only a Leftist could see faith in a (secular) "gatekeeper" as a good thing-an especially ridiculous position considering most of the "conspiracy theories" concerning "gatekeepers" are proving to be true in this era of social media.
Case in point:
Is it "bad faith" to point out that RUclips's removal of the Like-Dislike ratio was to suppress public narrative, or are you actually willing to believe it was to help smaller content creators? 🤨
@@FuturasoundProductions Thats because right wing think tanks have hijacked many terms like federalism and twisted them around. typical orwellian crap. would make way more sense to stick the original meanings.
That's it, you're not human, you'r a patriot A.I, no one can pump this much well produced and researched content
I was going to say the same thing.
Now that you mention it, none of us have met Futura in person 😳
Gw?
@@MrMentos876 Illuminati confirmed?
La li lu le lo, We are the patriots.
"So you're the boss around here?" "No, not just around here"
I‘m the Boss to surpass Big Boss. Venom Snake
I like that line 😆
I love how Solidus just appeared out of nowhere in that scene. 👍🏿
@@MGSVxBreakpoint
No! That is NOT Solid Snake!
imagine writing an essay so long that it has election and holiday specials. that's what Jorin Lee has accomplished here
We are in the MGS2 era at the moment. When nanomachines get sufficiently advanced we'll move to the MGS4 era.
Bro were getting pretty close to mgs 4 era lol
Just a little longer and we will be in death stranding era..
@Golgo Onethree Biden definitely works for the Patriots.
Show me a "smart gun" technology that doesn't make the weapon itself extremely fragile, or that isn't easily taken off. I doubt it's mechanically feasible to do this until the concept is applied to an energy weapon's circuitry. Energy weapons are practically non-existent in infantry, and they're all essentially prototypes. I'd just call this political promises meant to placate voters.
@@SolarScion as an engineer i can tell you a gun is a very simple mechanical system, anything added to make it smart can be bypassed really easily
Anyone else find the irony in the youtube AI placing a U.S. Elections disclaimer on this video?
Not at all. This old ass game explains things I already figured out 6 years ago on my own. It's prophetic and intriguing.
Yes! It’s still there! lol
@@DelinquentDemon, doesn't make it any less ironic.
The only election content I need
The only content needed i think. Ive stood by this series since i was 8. It is amazing in every way. This sham is able to penetrate the series better than anyone.
Out of all the videos I've watched on philosophical theories in the modern world, I think this is the closest I've heard to an actual, no-holds-barred analysis and ANSWER to the main questions of postmodernism: "If every truth is fabricated to benefit the speaker and if everyone gets the same amount of say in what is happening, who should you believe and why?"
And it's a Metal Gear Solid video. I love this fandom.
EDIT: clarification
Can you link me some of those videos? Im not Amercian so it was a little hard to understand everything from this clip and the fact that absolutely all the comments on every video of this channel are never adressing the topic of the videos and are just crediting FuturaSound for his great content
@@adriannitoiu9925 I'd be happy to! But rather than link them (I don't know how to format the links) I'll just tell you their names if that's ok : )
For postmodernism in philosophy and what its aim is, I recommend Tom Nicholas' video on postmodernism, part of the WTF (What The Theory). I like his content because he always clearly defines what he's talking about, to the best of his ability, and uses a lot of example situations rather than relying on previous knowledge.
For the media's role in manufacturing consent I'd recommend reading Noam Chomsky's book by the same name, or watching Tom Nicholas' own video explaining it with an example (The Migrant Crisis).
If you're curious about the history of the United States' racism from the 20th to the 21st century, I'd recommend Contrapoints: "America, still racist?" as a nice introduction.
This video mentions a *lot* of different theories, ideologies and parties from the past 100 years and takes a lot of knowledge for granted, so I'm afraid I can't give a summary of all of them. Hopefully, however, these can provide an introduction to the topic~! :)
It's really really interesting, and I hope this helps in understanding *why* truth is becoming such a difficult term to use. If you have any questions about anything in specific, or would like me to provide links to explain other specific things let me know and I'd be happy to~! We're all here to learn together
@@Trakesh Also, postmodernism as a narrative really just means "after the cold war", which includes a lot of narratives. Which narrative are you talking about in specific? o:
@@adriannitoiu9925 Oh! Almost forgot! Tom Nicholas also has a video on The Culture Wars which are often mentioned here, useful for most of what's mentioned here.
Same here, this guy has come closer too kojimas work more then anyone and has stood with clarity on the issues we face. I always looked at mgs2 stood out from the rest and even fiction books or tales. It just pierces through our impules and desires and puts a mirror up even if we dont particular realize. Sons of liberty is in some way a scary creepy game when you think about it. Joker 2019 film quite recent gave a phyical demonstration of its audiance, us and mury for that matter of what truth really is and how its said by "facts" that film struck so close too me personally and gave that reminder of what mgs2 said.
I really liked the Tower of Babel / Post Truth Era analogy. Keen!
I had to listen to the video twice before really understanding the depth of that analogy, thanks for pointing it out! Out of curiosity, what do you think is a possible answer to this "flood" of information?
@@Cibershadow2 re-check for yourself if every Information is not just subjective thinking
@Cibershadow2 , an "ark" that collects only useful information while filtering out the useless.
This has been an headspinning year. It took confinement and me suddenly having too much time on my hands to discover your channel, but I am so so so very glad to have had the time to watch every single video you've published in recent years. Whatever happens this month I just want to take a moment to salute our kind host, and remark on what an inspiring and relevant communicator you've revealed yourself to be. o7
"Kept you waiting huh?"
Me : "naw I'm still watching old videos"
Vote for George Sears
George Sears wouldve saved us
George Sears did nothing wrong
Keep in mind how MGS2 sets us up to view Solidus/Sears as the villain when his goal is ultimately noble. Now ask yourself who the media wants us to see as this monstrous villain in today's political climate.
@@Staunts Better yet,who owns the media?
@@Staunts well, he killed Raiden parents and raise him as a child soldier among others kids while brainwashing them, his ultimate goal was noble but it didn’t excuse what he did and doesn’t make him a good person.
Loved you uploaded this in a polarising election 2020. Lol Perfect timing, and actually to make sense of what is going on. These videos kept me sane.
i have no idea how you're this prolific and your videos still have more insight than almost any other video game essays i see on youtube. This is much more my speed than a 30 minute analysis of how mario bros teaches you how to play without a tutorial.
of course the metal gear series is uniquely tied in with the politics and metapolitics of the time. Honestly the only pop culture thing I can think of that rivals it is Serial Experiments Lain.
New video!! This is a great way to relieve the election anxiety!
You’ve really been knocking it out of the park recently, boss
I’m starting to think Futura works for Cipher.......
Only as a means to take them down.
been watching so many of these that I'm starting to only be able to rationalize the world in terms of MGS-related media analysis. its a comfortable sort of psychosis. things just make more sense.
Dang a metal gear video for every holiday and event! Glad I subscribed
Thank you for all the MGS content you put out. Helps keep my favorite series alive. We salute you boss
the density of thought provoking insight on display here is something to behold. I find my brain having to actually work hard and pay attention rather than passively listen as a distraction.
Dear friend Jorin, yes friend, although I don't know him this is how I feel about MGS fans who have great interest and dedication with this incredible series, a big hug !!! I come to thank you for the wonderful work so far but also to ask that you include subtitles in your videos, I am Brazilian and I need them for a more specific understanding of the videos and discussions that ensued. Incidentally, this video does not contain subtitles and I am very curious to watch, could you do something about it ??? Thank you so much for everything you have produced so far, congratulations and stay well !!!
This still stands as your absolute best video. Every word gets more and more pressing by each day
I can't be the only one who keeps coming back & binge watching this guys content...
George sears vs Senator Armstrong, who yall voting for
Armstrong hands down
@@gabrielcornejo238 Don‘t f*ck with THIS Senator!
Nanomachines son!!!
*MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMELETTES HERE JACK. CAN'T FRET OVER EVERY EGG!*
Solidus
Nice thanks for this. I like how you used the term “Begging the Question” properly at 3:30 , but you used it incorrectly later in the video at 26:55.
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear...MEMES, SON!!!
Wow the comparison to the tower of babel is amazing. Never thought about that, but the similarities are enormous
Oh the irony:
“U.S. elections
Robust safeguards help ensure the integrity of election results.”
1984?
🎶Welcome, my son. Welcome to 2022.🎶
Well Joe Biden does Malfunction like Joseph Campbell in MGS2 maybe he forgot he is part of The Patriots.
Joseph? lol
@@aicampbell1381 Oh no wrong Campbell
@@aicampbell1381
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I can't tell you how much I enjoy that Existence is just an ongoing thing.
I think for a video about politics in present day, it was about as close as you're going to get without falling down into semantics about who was right and wrong that typically accompanies it. Magnificently neutral, arguably the only way you can stay sane in a world like this. I'm being a bit cheeky but I actually really did like the video, though I wouldn't dare to read the comments, if only to avoid long screeds about how you oversimplified X or mischaracterized Y. Good stuff!
Perfection of a good and well structured and explicit analysis. Keep the awesome work you're doing :D !
Damn dude this might be one of your best videos yet! I find it insane that some people still deride video games as mindless wastes of time when they can inspire discussions such as this (although, admittedly, not the majority of them)
For all this talk of Nazis, I am more concerned of the far left atm. Both are malicious and following paths of division and violence. It's just that one is more accepted as "noble" than the other.
I would rather have a socialist future than fascist. one
@@drewan6591 that's because you're ignorant. A better answer is neither, as both end up in genocide. If you really think your pathetic ideas can bend the shape of human nature in any beneficial way, you don't know yourself at all.
@@69meplease100 capitalism and the status quo is collapsing or at least dying
And i know you are smart enough to understand that we both may inevitably have pick a side
I am curious what would you pick if you were forces to choose?
Another great video. As a religious person I really enjoyed the different angle on the tower of Babylon.
This video is so conceptually dense that I had to pause, rewind, and replay various parts in order for the meaning of what you were trying to convey to sink in properly.
I welcome such stimulating content - thank you. Going to watch some more of your content.
This may be your best essay yet, Jorin. It's great to have videos like this that provide more perspective , and that not just explicitly call out the dialog conflicts and nature of our constructed human society’s created truths, but give historical background to how things evolved to exactly where they are today.
Another fantastic entry. Finally, someone who understands something.
You have teased me long enough with your thoughtful and concise think pieces about this series. Sub earned
At this point I'm seriously waiting for the Futurasound AI to take over my computer and start talking gibberish
Right wing and left wing are meaningless. It's a way for us to be divided up and categorized.
This is exactly right. Like voting, voting doesn't exist as far as I am concerned. It is only there to make the peasants feel like we have a say in what happens and who is in control. In actual fact, it's all corrupt, and they are placed in power. We and our votes don't mean a thing at all.
such high quality content... WHOOOOOOOO
This is one of the most enlightening perspectives on American political history I've ever seen/heard. Thank you for this Jorin Lee.
one of the complicating factors of history is that humans are logical and can hold contradictory viewpoints and inspirations for actions. the sports team-like political ideologies of the US force everyone to align with black and white thinking which is just too simple and myopia inducing to explain much of anything. it feels like the society was built around causing this way of thinking, like it was programmed by the arsenal ai
Not having ranked choice voting will do that. Gerrymandering and de facto stolen votes makes sure that such a binary arises. Other governmental and electoral systems have at least some kind of coalition government with concessions to minority political voices the more of the vote they get, especially when the leading parties fail to get a plurality. In that way it's not total power theft by the winner of s single office.
But a two party system is easier to control the populace and make sure legislation favors those at the top of the pyramid no matter what.
Watched this in preperation of staying up for and getting drunk on election night with my sister, thanks for the video!
Moving foward I'm calling it the "Lewinsky incident"
No matter how you spun it and look at the juxtaposition of "memes" among the characters on top of arsenal gear it's safe to say that Solidus Snake truly was the best choice among those guys. Solidus Snake truly wanted to Liberate the American people of the Patriots but a world without the Patriots is another issue a responsibility that is hard to discuss.
insanely good video that i will likely rewatch multiple times, as expected!
2:42 I think you got those two mixed up - Federalists were for a centralized government, and Anti-Federalists were more for state power
Thanks for commenting! If you have the time, please check the pinned comment for my response to this. Long story short, I realized that even while making the video, and had to make a conscious choice to do so due to shifts in the meaning of the word 'Federalism' (and with it, inherently, Anti-Federalism) over the years. Thanks for watching
This'll be good...
This man is an mgs content machine.
Gosh, you get better with every video, boss!
Thank you for this video, the most honest discussion.
These have been terrific. I really hope Kojima gets to see these. I'm sure he would feel incredibly validated that his legacy is being dissected and talked about the way he intended. 😊
It's curious that I find your videos so riveting despite never having played a mgs game.
The king has returned
While im slightly late, this content is amazing. Many things that were deep seeded in my mind and questions Ive had are acknowledged and expanded upon. Well said and put togethern glad that others can also love to talk and expand upon kojimas works and by proxy the world at large.
With these last few videos, you really earned my subscription. See you in the futura
Bro you deserve more subs ! Apart from the content the editing sound mixing and visuals are on point. Keep it Up !
Every once in a blue moon I really think that there's really all to have been said on MGS2 at the end of the day, and on a broad sense that might be the case it's still kind of ridiculous how deep the rabbit hole goes with this game. How many points can be made, connections drawn, etc, continues to astound me. Good video.
Really interesting content but not when there's more ads than a TV show
Very good point about the Clinton Third Way Centrism project leading to the collapse of the class politics and the fomenting of the culture war. The collapse of the USSR and the workers movement more broadly has been an absolute disaster for the workers the world over. Awesome video, thanks boss.
I love the first 10 seconds so f'ing much
I don't have a stake in your democracy, being a Canadian, but dude, this is a fantastic analysis!
I was brought up in the 90s there was no mention in Britain about a war what war what are you talking about there's nothing in the newspapers and news if there was a war we was not told about it. In the UK I don't remember going to a bunker
I am convinced the uploader is not an actual human.
Really enjoy your content, Just getting into Metal Gear, and your videos really help me understand this paradox of a universe.
I had to pause immediately because someone messaged me at work, but i think 0:07 is the perfect summary. LOL
Fantastic content as always!
This may sound weird.... but i love you
I love you
This game aged so much better than expected. Perhaps too well
Great content and video! well thought out and I learned a lot.
Excelent speech my friend! The gift of the silver tongue.
I just woke up in the morning thinking about Sons of Liberty.
Badass video my dood
I always my friends if they know what day is today every April 30th 🙃
its always memes!!
Maybe we are the memes
Memes are my home
Well this is a suprise
Why the increase in dislikes? Did my boy say something controversial much?
Dude, mgs2 always depresses me for some reason. Now you made it more depressing. Good job though.
doing great! love to see you ride your research alongside metal gear
Excellent essay as always.
Engulfed in truth. Even yours
Ich küsse Dein Herz Bruder, wir sehen uns nächstes mal Boss.
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@@steirabua861Top!
love all your vids man. Your idea that "no one really cared" about Clinton's scandal couldn't be more false. My best friend's parents and mine(I was like, 8) were talking about it when the truth finally became clear. His said they wish they could take their vote back. My parents have voted republican ever since(not strictly on that issue but they were disgusted that the president of the country was cheating on his wife) edit i dont particularly care about left/right or whatever nor do i blame billy lmao
Your edits are Insane! Love the work you got on Patreon! if anyone is not subbed do it NOW you will get your junkie needs of Metal Gear :D
I cannot like this video enough!
4:12 that's weird to me.
I highly recommend checking out Adam Curtis documentaries for more Post-Truth Era analysis.
You are a true patriot
Hands Down...Hands Up
Big Boss Would Be Proud!
What Is True Today Is Not Always True Tomorrow.
Brilliant And Beautiful
DUDE YES
I don't think living document means it can reinterpreted, rather it means its text can and has been changed.
Changing the text requires reinterpretation.
Just remember, if you believe in originalism, then that means you have to believe that black people were not only slaves. but 3/5ths of a person.
@@WeezaY5000 this woefully ignorant of history. Neither side of the 3/5 compromise believed black people were 3/5 of a person. Rather one side thought they were not persons but that should be counted as persons for electoral and representative purposes, the other side recognizes that if people were not free they should not be counted among the representation of slave holding states in Congress. For one side it was an attempt to artificially increase the influence of slave states, for the other it was about limiting the influence of slave states. Absolutely nothing about the compromise had to do with the value of slaves as persons. It was ugly stuff, yes, but it was one side trying to do something evil and the other trying to limit that evil while building a nation that would eventually go to do away with it altogether.
Originalists believe in interpreting the Constitution and its amendments using the meanings they had at the time. That’s the only way a constitution even makes sense. Otherwise the actual wording is utterly meaningless. This does not mean they believe in parts of the Constitution which were struck from it. Originalists believe the Constitution is a living document, only insomuch as it has a built in mechanism to change it. Forcing outside and inconsistent interpretations is NOT that mechanisms. If you don’t LIKE something in the Constitution you don’t get to change the meaning of words to get what you want, you go through the Amendment process, THAT is how it changes.
The Fourth Clone Of Big Boss Joseph Biden also known as Deflated Snake.
your responses to the existential/post structural/post modern prompts you present are really inline with the radical and optimistic left leaning figures those movements inspire. i almost don't want to say that because they have such bad reputations in the US but this is such an exciting video i can't help it.
It's always funny to say stuff like that and watch people nod along and agree, but then you go, "And it's like Kropotkin said-" and they suddenly start screeching like one of the body snatchers.
@@BobLogical my dad plays country music and is pretty old so ive been around a lot of libs as well as really conservative people my whole life. im reallyyyyy familiar with the situation you described haha. also, im reading conquest of bread right now and checked my notifications to see this, funny coincidence
I think we've tried the method of kid gloves for long enough. The left in the US has been dismantled through cooptation. Free school lunch came from the Black Panthers. The weekend and end of child labor through the struggle of the labor movement. We talk about MLK and ignore Malcom X. These men arguably needed each other. The threat of violence made MLK's message against it much more popular after all.
There's a middle ground, though. Start with healthcare and labor rights before we talk about land redistribution perhaps haha
Is this video about the practicality of ideologies? I mean its alot if things but the center of this video seems to use this to explain why the world is the way it is.
thanks
This video applealed to me in such a niche way Im suprised I loved it 👍
Thanks, Boss.