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Dyno Tuning The KRAKEN on METH!
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Today we got to test methanol vs e85, and methanol with an intercooler on the kraken camaro! Huge thanks to Steven Little for letting me hop on the keyboard and share all this data!
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Awesome Job, pretty cool seeing you to working together after all the record back and forth for sbe!
It was definitely really cool after all that! Turns out if you're both dumb enough to go 4s with a SBE 4.8 you get along pretty well lol.
Looking forward to seeing you both back in action soon!
Very cool results. Its interesting to see the gains from switching to M1 . I wonder what the difference would be if it was an air to water intercooler. Thanks for sharing this. I hope everything goes well for Steven's daughter and her surgery.
I think we would see similar results with an air to water. However I would be curious if you'd begin to have issues if the air temps got too low using ice as well with the methanol. Thanks for watching and supporting!
WOW! Looking like four point 0 is the way to go! SPICY, I LIKE IT!!!!!!
On this combo for sure! I've had others want much richer.
Nice my man. Getting a big name on the dyno. Now let's see you woop him on the track. Been waiting.
Watch my previous video. 😉
Was the guy in the white jacket a statue or something I don’t think I seent him blinking!! 😂😂😂 just fuggin with ya
Badass man! Fuckin love The Kraken Camaro!! She is one of the baddest small tire cars in the country!!🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲💪💪💪💪
You worry me Mr. Squirrel. Hope you are good bro. You have people out here that admire what u do, hope ur takin a break and will be back showing us how its done soon!
I'm all good man. I appreciate the concern! Been doing a lot of tuning but still plan to get some videos out when I can!
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Sweet! That little 5.3 is screaming...😮
The next step on the fuel tier list would be M5. Not quite the same amount of latent heat of vaporization of M1, due to the other additives but, the significant additional fuel quantity required over M1 makes up for the cooling difference….it’s quite a bit more expensive than M1 tho.
Yeah I like how cheap the m1 is. And haven't had a need for m5 yet but I would be curious to try it as well as m1 and nitro mixes but i think that's asking for problems especially on some weak little ls motors lol.
Super cool to hear from two tuning Legends! It’s crazy how much a little 5.3 can make when you know what your doin
Appreciate the kind words! It is a very impressive little 5.3 for sure!
@@SquirrelTunedalmost makes you wonder if Steven snuck in some 4.125 liners with a 4" arm. Lol, but seriously those little engines can make some steam, seems like i see folks doing more with it than the larger siblings.
really awesome results and comparison
Thanks! Spicy little 5.3 for sure.
I recommend using 20w50 oil suitable for climates from +5c to +45c and for high-output
I congratulate you my friend, on this unique achievement 👏🏼
On the N/A BBC bracket cars we switched to methanol, they ran very well and were very consistent. The downside was that methanol seems to be hard on fuel pumps (electric) and injectors. Never had an issue with fuel pumps or injectors on E85. Excellent Video. Thanks.
Yes sir gotta keep up on the maintenance more for sure but it's got some good upsides too. I stay on top of injector cleaning and don't let them sit. And I run mechanical pumps.
Good job guys
If you can make the intercooler work *with* Methanol.... youll gain alot more than the extra weight of the I/C setup...
Intake Air Temp is everything!
You alright man? Been waiting to see some footage of some passes!
Excellent comparison, just what I’ve been wanting to see for a long time. What are the engine specs? cubic inches, compression, camshaft, lifters, and injector size Thanks, best information I’ve seen. 👍👍
It is a stock bore and stroke 5.3, 325ci. Believe 10.5:1 on compression, custom BTR cam, johnson linkbar lifters, 16 210lb injectors on m1 and only 8 on e85. Thanks!
I would love for you to make a video on methanol tuning for beginners. Maybe through the terminator software. Thanks for the good info!
Terminator X is not designed to work with Methanol. The wideband that comes with them is not able to read rich enough unfortunately. I will keep the idea in mind though!
Good stuff thanks for sharing. Wonder how much more power could be made on methanol with timing changes as well.
I believe he played with timing some the next day as well and it didn't make much power difference. Which was surprising to me, that he was able to run the same timing on e85 mostly. I'm usually more conservative on e85.
Thank you again for doing this. Those are impressive gains. I plan on trying methanol this year coming from e85.
@@lukk4273 we haven't regretted the change on any of the cars I've been involved with!
@@SquirrelTuned Do you think you could make the same power without an intercooler and with fuel adjustment?
@@lukk4273 I think it would make less power without the intercooler because the cooler air is more dense. I don't believe that could be made up for with fuel changes personally. I think if the intercooler was enough of a restriction, it may make more without it even though the air would be hotter. But this one based off before and after pressure being within 1-2psi does not seem to be too restrictive.
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Great info! Do you feel that methanol can go farther regardless of whether or not you're maxing the turbos? Like, does it run out of turbine earlier on methanol is what I mean?
In my experience methanol still goes further in turbo limited situations. I'm not sure on why exactly. You would think more fuel and exhaust volume could hurt turbine efficiency, but all my fastest turbo limited stuff has been on methanol. Also if you look at class rules with turbo size limits. Methanol has to be heavier than intercooled race gas or ethanol.
@@SquirrelTuned interesting thanks for compiling all this data!
Regarding the AFR being leaner than normal. I bet if you pulled the intercooler off the car it would need probably a 3.4 and what sensor does the FT use ?
Ft can use Bosch or ntk but the majority have Bosch. I've found more recently that all ft stuff I've messed with has wanted to be leaner than holley on methanol. Similar combos non intercooled are happy in the high 3s. So little richer for sure.
man how are keeping the headgaskets in motor on a 4 bolt motor on 35psi , does it have fire rings ?
Tuning, converter, and combo are huge in that aspect. This one has half inch studs and ls9 gaskets and believe they do some extra work to the head as well. Kraken Race Supply would be the place to go to get these same heads setup like this. He has ran the combo at over 50psi on track.
Was gonna say 4.0 and even leaner are some of the methanol targets i've seen for intercooled meth cars. ESP. if the IC is super efficient. What is the typical percent of added VE table going from say E85 tune to a methanol tune that you use? How much more fuel was needed on this setup over E85 in total percent wise?
Fueltech doesn't have a true VE fuel model. Using right around 2x the fuel flow though at 35psi.
I think the turbos are tapped HOTT side isn’t big enough why it’s falling off on the big end
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I think dynos with torque converter cars can cause it to appear to fall off at high rpm when the engine isn't actually making less power. Back pressure was still 1-1 and he's made over 50psi on the track before and since this dyno. Torque converters multiply torque and they do that more when slip is the highest, so as rpm climbs and the slip drops, the tq multiplication goes away as well.
Pretty good for a honda
Hey , Guys great video I'm very interested in some details on the Engine. What Block and and anything your willing to share ?
It's a stock lc9 block. Btr forged crank rods and pistons, btr cam and valvetrain. Johnson link bar lifters i believe. And kraken cylinder heads.
Nice job that motor Ran real good . Really liked the comparisons
What sized turbos look like you could be having a back pressure problem on the top or are the compressors tapped out?
They are 72mm. Back pressure was still 1:1 with boost pressure. It has made 50+psi on the street/track.
@@SquirrelTuned perfect can’t beat 1 to 1
Hello guys,im interested in the intercooler. What size is it.the height,and how well it works.I bought an on 3 performance that has a 10 inch core. I haven't installed it yet.
I'll try to get those details for you. It works well though, after the 35psi pull with no nitrous the air temp was 128 degrees.
This was very informative. What do you attribute the extra power to when using the methanol? Is it the 2 oxygen molecule vs 1 in ethanol? Is it the stoich value of methanol requiring richer afr ? Etc and lastly from your experience if you should mix E98 and methanol 50/50 what would be the target lambda ?
@@SquirrelTuned thank you man, are you racing now?
@davidreed6070 I have not since earlier this year with my personal car. He is not 100% sure on the intercooler. But said it is roughly 12x24 and 4in thick.
@delano5214 Honestly I have not done enough research on it to give a good answer to that question. My answer would be guessing. I would bet high performance academy has a video going into more detail on something like that. And I have no experience with a ethanol/methanol mix. However if I were to start with a combo like that I would target closer to what I normally do with methanol to start, then see how it reacts and work my way leaner if that is what it wants.
How big of a shot was it on?
I believe it was 125 or 150 with 6-700psi bottle pressure so bit less than that due to the pressure.
Top fuel hooped heads? 1/2” studs?
1/2" studs and ls9 gaskets with an o ring in the head as well I believe. Not quite hoops.
@@SquirrelTunedYou don't run O rings or hoops on MLS gaskets.
@@funfun8095 That's what I was told it has. I'm not sure how exactly they have it setup. Steven could probably give a better answer.
He runs the low ram, not the ultra low ram, unless he just recently switched.
Oh yep you are right I made a mistake there. Good catch!
Is this an aluminum rod engine?
No sir it has basic off the shelf btr rods.
I thought it had gen 4 rods
@@Stevesbe not this one. His 4.8 he ran before did have stock gen 4 rods.
Should've put the giveaway car on the dyno 🤷♂️
He didn't have it at the time but would have been interesting to see for sure!
@@SquirrelTuned definitely
Thanks for showing the results.
Looks like the engine wakes up around 4400 rpm now.
You were fortunate to find that temperature fault on the dyno rather than having to find it at the track.
I like seeing the intercooler staying there , to me it means someone is genuinely serious about forcing as much air & fuel as possible into an engine.
How much below ambient were the air intake temps ?
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Intake air temp was 128°f on the hottest pull. Ambient temp was 66°f.
@@SquirrelTuned Some additional thoughts.
The combustion stability of methanol increases with increasing injection mass.
meth will always be leaner with a intercooler, your not having to use the fuel to cool the air charge as much. also fuel stays coolor and coolor fuel = power.
Yes sir, I expected it to want leaner. Just didn't expect as lean as we saw and didn't expect it to kill so much power when it was rich. Didn't previously have as much gains from afr changes on methanol.