Best Full Range Drivers - 4" AIYIMA v Markaudio CHR 70. Which is the best for speaker building?
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Which Full Range Driver is the best for your speaker build? I have put together a short review of both the Markaudio CHR-70 and AIYIMA 4" Full range drivers. The box sizes may not be ideal but, they are the same so, should give a great representation of the comparable differences. I have, using Dayton Audio DATSv3 put the Small Thiele (T/S) parameters in the video too.
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I found the Aiyima to be brighter and clearer in the upper midrange, say in the 1-4khz range. The Mark Audio sounded more balanced but a bit flat. Purists often chase this flat sound, but truthfully not many people really enjoy listening to a flat speaker. In all of the demos except the beethoven piano, I liked the Aiyima sound better (I also prefer a slightly bright speaker). The piano tracks sounded the same to me. Not surprising since Pianos don't really have a lot of high frequency harmonics or details compared to the horns and strings in the other tracks.
Thanks for your comments!
however reprodicing a piano accuratly is still sought after and in countless speakers still remains to be heard. just the impact of a piano key can not be replicated by a traditional driver of any type
@@djfirestormx or is it the microphone that can't capture a piano in the first instance?
@@TurdbassistAny decent speaker could reproduce the piano. Its just hard to record it's sound realistically.
Totally agree
The difference is huge. The Aiyima sounds so much better!!!!
Thanks for your input!
aiyima is way more clear on higher frequency
@@johanijohani absolutely. Without losing in the low frequencies, too!!!!! The Aiyima is in a completely different league. Much higher sound quality. Many of these drivers seem to lack either in high frequency extension or in low frequencies. This Aiyima seems to sound perfect. Not lacking anywhere!!!!
Well, you can hear the difference. Now at 46, I'm leaning towards detail rich dynamics, so white funnel broadband is better👌👍
@@Jil8840 Mark Audio má prevýšenie od 10 kHz. Aima je v tom prípade absolútne nevyrovnaná, a vy počujete len to že hrajú vysoké frekvencie ale to neznamená že to tak má byť.
3" and 4" fr drivers are excellent to use as the "tweeter" in a 2-way build.
Take much of the stress off the bass driver with a very low XO point of 300hz or lower.
Opens up the sound quite a bit.
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Agreed I have a pair that I have crossed with just a capacitor at 300hz 1st order filter and use subwoofer. If the full range doesn't go low it also has THD
you will ruin the flat response if you crossover at 3k, let a full range speaker play full range.... if you want bass get a subwoofer... don't mess around with crossovers on a full range speaker, it's not a subwoofer...
Beautiful job on the boxes!
Thankyou!
So i just built a pair of Voigt pipes of old pallet-wood and mdf and slapped a 10euro pair of 4" full range drivers on them and just hooked them up and watched your vid with the sound through them (thats a lot of thems lol) The Aiyimas sounded much better in your video, to my ears at least. Think i´ll be looking for Aiyimas for my next build. Nice vid. Thumbs up :)
Thanks and good luck for your next build!
In my opinion, the Aiyima is brighter. The Mark was quite dull in the upper frequencies. I'd likely end up pairing the Mark's with a tweeter.
where would u cut markaudio to bed in with tweeter?
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Mark Audio má na vysokej frekvencii prevýšenie. Nehrá plocho. V skutočnosti aima je absolútne nevyrovnaná. Iba nahrávka falošne ukazuje že výšky chýbajú. Nie nechýbajú. Mark Audio ide až do 40kHz a od 10kHz má vrchol. Aima je úplne mimo.
in the ayiima I could better distinguish all frequencies which is a more defined sound
Thanks for your comments!
Subjectively comparing them in that circumstance the two presentations were totally different. The Chr's being very laid back with the Aiyima's being lively. I found the sparkle of the Aiyima's particularly pleasing and can imagine in your listening room they readily produce holographic imaging whereas the Chr's imaging would be more solid. Bass on both was good, but I felt the Aiyima's were a tad more defined and articulate. again purely down to the design traits of the drivers. I was very impressed with the Aiyima's and your videos have enticed me to buy a pair on that strength, for my upcoming Frugel Horn Mk III build.
They are both good, I prefer the aiyima for certain music's and the bass is very good for a 4" driver. I have also got that Markaudio Pluvia 7hd and they are superb and smooth.
@@DIY-AUDIO Funny enough the Pluvia 7HD or PHD are on my list for trying at some stage. I also have a pair of Fostex FE105s (too coloured for me by current standards), and also a pair of CHN110 which are superb but too big for the FH3.
Incidentally I opted for the sister by Audio Labs as the two had an identical specification and were cheaper.
Listening through HD800S headphones high end headphone amp and good DAC. Sound is different and I prefer the Markaudio CHR 70. The Markaudio is more natural sounding with lovely mids the AIYIMA is just a bit hard/brittle and forward in highs.
I prefer the sound of the Markaudio too!
Great video! I definitely prefer the laid back full sound of the Mark Audio speakers in this video. I have spent more than 30 years mixing audio professionally and prefer a more flat frequency response. I find bright speakers to be very fatiguing. What is that device sitting between the speaker and the Onkyo? Is that a streamer? I'm very curious about this lol
👍Yes a DIY one, Allo Boss 2 Dac on a Raspberry Pi with volumio installed
Thank you so much! Watching now. Keep it up. :)
Thanks for your comments
Thanks for the helpful videos! Now you have a new subscriber from Russia!)))
Glad you like the videos!
Strange, i can hear a big difference between the two. The Aiyima seems stronger in the highs while the Markaudio has a stronger midrange. Since I am listening to headphones on youtube it might not represent the actual differences between the two. They only were close on the piano passage. Thanks so much for doing this!
Headphones probably the way to go!! My hearing isn't great any more so, thanks for the feedback!! 👍
The stronger Markaudio midrange gives it an more open sound.
This is where showing the audio frequency spectrum would be helpful. To show what frequencies each speaker is actually producing
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I think I'd prefer the MA driver over a period of time. Easy to get wowed by a bright speaker and then find it fatiguing
Mark Audio speakers really come into their own after a lot of usage!!
The Aiyima sounds ten times better. More punch in the lows and much more clarity in the highs.
Thanks for your opinion!
Interesting you could not hear a difference. Aiyima seems to have more upper detail,nice treble. They both sound great to me, but if I had to choose I'd take the Mark. Percussion,wood instrument, overall sound is more to my liking. Laid-back sound maybe 🤔 I am certainly no expert...they both sounded very nice
Thanks for watching!
Yes but this is a recording. Real world listening is probably different.
@@thethirdman225for sure. Plus one certainly can't pick up on any spatial or soundstage cues. Also have to consider the sound signature of the headphones I'm using to listen to the recording. Can only comment on what I subjectively hear
@@NosEL34 Not to mention the room.
@@NosEL34 I’m undecided about which one I prefer. On this recording it sounds like chalk and cheese but like you, I was surprised the channel owner couldn’t hear much difference.🤷♂️
Listening several times with headphones: Is not easy to say in an unsuitable environment, but it seems that Ayma has a clearer sound in the mids and greater extension in the bass; it is a little hissing on the highs but it seems to have more detail. Hard to say about linearity without sweep measurements. Bye!
Much appreciated. Most of the comments are the same
I watched this on my iPhone 13 Pro and I hear clearly a huge difference! AIYIMA has deeper bass and higher highs and much cleaner sound!
👍Mixed bag in opinions from everyone!
i think the aiyima is good but the Markaudio speaker just sounds accurate more and just sounds more realistic if you know what I mean thats why I would prefer them
They do sound great for such a small fumm range driver once run in
I can even hear a difference on my phone! I have a pair of chr70 mk3's in fenlon designed boxes. They sound amazing on a strong class d amp like the aiyima a07. I will buy the aiyima fr drivers too. You made me curious😅
👍. I've also used/built with the MA Pluvia 7.2HD. Also a great sounding and lovely looking unit!!
i prefer choose aiyima its crispy sound and so natural...
It certainly is but after burn in, the Markaudio is really good!!
I found the Aiyima has a nice upper range and the mids are clearer.
Thanks for your comments
I agree with BobbyKinstle the Aiyima sound a bit clearer ------ just like people have different vision and require different eyeglass prescriptions they also have different hearing abilities -- if you truly can not hear a difference maybe a trip to have your hearing tested is in order. There truly is a difference in sound!
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重複聽了很多次,A一開聲,有種先聲奪人的感覺,高音很亮麗,相比M就狀似暗淡無光!
但只要仔細聽聽,你會發覺A的高頻只是搶閘一般,而中頻有明顯的凹陷, B整體平衡度很好,沒有像A的過分渲染!
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Ayma sounds clear in high frq. Range:)
Thanks for your comments
Even through mobile phone speakers I can hear the difference. Aima is brighter and forward.
Thanks for your comments
Very interesting!
I'm chasing the one driver dream at the moment. Crossovers and phase problems are a headache.
Have you tried open baffle designs yet?
Nope, not tried open baffle yet. Reckon I'll need a larger full range for that. The Markaudio now run in is great
Chr70 more refine tone balance and have more deep ambience.
Aiyima is like what its come from 😃 light,forward,crisp.
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Definitely Aiyima sounds better.
issue with mark audio is, it sounds like someone has kept something in front of the drivers, whereas Aiyima is clear. Mark Audio will need a tweeter to get aiyima like output.
Thanks for your comments!
Interesting to read the comments🎉🎉🎉
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how long did you let them break in? i found after 30ish hours, the markaudio finally opened up.... I am hearing here, a bit of that closed sound. its a strange phenomenon... but now my markaudio have some base, and much more air to the midrange...
Similar here. Longer they play the better they seem to get. Same with th chn-50 and Pluvia 7
@@DIY-AUDIO I have the alpair 11ms, said to need about 10hours break in... I did not hear 100hz tone on it until after 10 hours. after 20 hours, it was more than deep enough for the size of the drivers. And then about 30 hourrs, there was finally a nice soundstage.... i was breaking them in with my main room setup with 400w per channel.
great video, thx for sharing, but Aiyima it is sharper .-
Thanks for your comments. That's what most people appear to confirm!
Aiyima is better defined and present in the mids, and not lacking of bass either. I would buy them
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hello friend, would you have the cutting plan and design of this box please?
HI Emerson, which build? This message has come up on the speaker review. Let me know and I will pass on the measurements!!
Listening to these through some quality headphones I definitely prefer the Aiyima. The Mark audio sounds a bit dull in comparison, kind of like you are underwater but not as bad. The Aiyima also look better IMO but that's not as important as how they sound.
They do look good (Aiyima) but same in a way can be said about the MA. Weird thing with MA is they take a way to burn in and the sound does get better. Saying that the AIYIMA is clear straight from the box and half the price!!
Idk? They both sound ❤
They have different characteristics but agree, they both do sound good👍
The Markaudio boxes sound very dull and lacking in the upper range compared to the AIYIMAs. If I had to build with the Markaudios, I'd build a two-way. And that would mean I could choose from a wider range of 4" elements, and I wouldn't build with the MA's anyway :)
Could be that the MA drivers haven't been run in enough. Probably only aboy 20 hours when I made the video?
the best is "hands down" the Kartesian Wib120_vHE
Nice I guess but 6x price of AIYIMA and nearly 4x cost of the Markaudio. So, depends on your budget!
@@DIY-AUDIO yes but still very affordable ...
I liked the markaudio better. Less brittle sounding.The others were very bright but seemed louder. The markaudio sounded warmer although they were quieter probably less top end
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Pls include frequency response graph
That will have to be next time
@@DIY-AUDIO awesome
For me AIYIMA sounded better, it sounded way better and more precise on higher frequencies, without loosing lower frequencies, CHR 70 sounded more like a midrange and muddy on higher frequencies. So as full range speaker AIYIMA is a winner for me.
Out of the box, the Aiyima is certainly better on higher frequencies but after a year i am still listening the the MA, mellow and much nicer on the ears but took some running in!!
Well its difficult for us to decide witch is better from youtube video. @@DIY-AUDIO
Ayima has the clearer sound
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I prefer the Aiyima
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When I built my house 28 years ago I installed highly regarded Pioneer 8" dual cone speakers in the ceiling of the kitchen and family room (HT surrounds). They sounded a little dull (like the Mark) so I added a Pioneer 5/8" tweeter crossed over at 6KHz, surface mounted, that made all the difference.
Do your speakers employ baffle step compensation? If not, why not?
You were ahead of your time!! The Markaudio drivers if you haven't used them are specifically designed to work without the need for baffle compensation apparently.
Aiyima is the classiest speaker . Expensive but worth it
Its the cheapest of the two!
Aiyima sounds much better!
You must have better ears than me!! 👍
@@DIY-AUDIO Not exactly :) I used my studio monitors to compare these speakers from your video. In my opinion Aiyima wins!
The Mark audio had a greater output I don't know if that's the recording or the driver? It seem to be a bit more revealing
(did keep the volume the same and recorded at same distance and both 8ohm) The Markaudio seem to get better the longer they are run in!! But opinions vary a lot between the two in the comments
@@DIY-AUDIO yeah I think they recommend 200 hours for the drivers surprised by some of the comments because that doesn't sound like what I've heard actually the opposite is the case
My pick is AIYIMA, much more warm sounding bass and more transparent top end
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The Mark Audio was flatter. 4 inch? Would rather use a 6.5 or 8 inch instead with a slightly larger enclosure.
Will be using a 6.5 in one of my next builds. Audio Chn 110
The copper speaker win because they got a little bit on the bold pitch underrated to the white one the white speakers are bold
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My old ears are glued on but to me the Aiyima was brighter, a bit fuller, the Mark Audio dull by comparison.
Pity, I wanted to prefer the Mark Audio....
I think the Aiyama having the whizzer makes the difference. Having said that I do most of my listening through a pair of Voigts with 4 inch Fostex full range drivers, which don't have the whizzer cone....
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Chr-70 sounds a bit closed. Airman sounds a bit open.
Thanks for your comments
Tang Band test please W5 5"
If only I had the money or Tang Band wanted to send me a pair!!
Aiyima is clearer, but Markaudio has better imaging/soundstage.
I have found that the sound stage from MA is very good. I have the Pluvia-7 HD in another set of speakers and for the price they are truly great
@@DIY-AUDIO Can you do a demo of Pluvia7HD and compare them to others? Thanks :)
can this be use in cars? to replace my stocks speakers at the front.
I guess so but there's probably more specific drivers for cars.
The aiyima is 15-30 watts, right? Can these drivers be played at loud volume without problems? Can this amp drive them without problems??
Yes they do admirably well and amp is fine. Never actually played above 30-40% as room is smallish and even that is incredibly loud!!
@@DIY-AUDIO Thanks. I have noticed that there are two different versions. One is 8 ohms and the other 4 ohms. There is also one square and one round edition. Do you know if there might be any difference in sound and general performance between 4 and 8 ohms? You use the round 8 ohms edition.
@@Jil8840 no idea I'm afraid Bill as I have only tried the 8ohm version
i think the ayima sound a little bit better bass is deeper and high frequencies are nicer sounding....
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Aiyimy best rounded sound highs and lows. I like the mid of the markaudio, For the buck Aiyima is best
Good looking driver too and for about £50 a pair I agree with you!
Do these full range drivers need a crossover????
No they don't but some people do put on a notch filter to take into account the front baffle size. Plenty on line about it.
In my opinion aiyima wins.
Thanks for your comments
Aiyima full of flavor
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Which one won?
😂 That's a much mixed bag of results. I'd say almost a 50/50 result!!
Aiyima 👌🏻
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How many cost of AIYIMA speaker
Links to not in description! 👍
@@DIY-AUDIO ok
Mark audio sounding are more natural, the other sounding more hush.
Thanks for your opinion.
Aiyima
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Mark audio 👍
👍Great drivvver once they are run in!!
The Aiyima is the better one. Much more open sound.
👍Mixed emotions and thoughts from different people on this one!!
Aiyima brighter
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Genial
Ta!
I'm terribly sorry, I can't spel woorthless.
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Aiyima clear, Markaudio flat
Markaudio has taken a long time to run in and starting to sound much crisper now.
@@DIY-AUDIO interesting. Thank you so much for this quick answer. So which one would you prefer? Honestly
@@paparazzizi for price and looks Aiyima great in a modrrn enclosure ie painted finish but MA looks great in with a veneered finish. Sure you wont be disappointed either way.
I'm concerned for your ears.
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Sorry aber... ist schon doof genug,leute lasst euch nicht verarschen dem tauben auch noch eine Frage zu beantworten..auf die Spitze getrieben in dem er auch noch Geräuschabsorber unterstellt!!!??
I'm sorry I can't answer. Google translate doesn't make any sense!
Mark Audio are terrible. Cheap and nasty.
Really, not what the majority think. Have you actually tried the various drivers they produce?
they're both bad.
And your suggestion would be?
in my opinion, Aiyima is better every side.
Long term which I have now run them both in, Markaudio is better in my opinion for jazz, classical music (less harsh for many hours of listening) but, Aiyima more punchy for other types of music!!
and spend a little more €. use a fostex. Fe 103. long on market. a lot horn enclosures.
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