Electric Vehicle Revolution DELAYED What's Going On?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Breaking news: House Democrats and Republicans have voted to delay electric vehicle mandate. But this is far from the end of the mandated but bi-partisan support is a great start.
The U.S. House of Representatives on September 20th voted to overturn a Biden administration rule that sets tougher emissions standards for car manufacturers.
The joint resolution passed in a 215 to 191 vote (with 8 Democrats in support and one Republican in opposition) which would nullify the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) new restrictions on emissions from cars, light trucks, pick-ups, and vans for model years 2027 to 2032.
Although the rule does not explicitly impose an electric vehicle (EV) mandate, it is expected to force manufacturers to electrify their fleets in order to comply.
The passage of H.J. Res. 136 would also artificially constrain consumer vehicle choice, weaken U.S. manufacturing and energy security, and harm public health.
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Mandated electric cars. The only thing that's going to do is add more batteries to the landfill
Like I have said many Times , evs Are Not The Answer!
That depends on what the question is.
@@midnight4109Wrong, lithium batteries are not renewable energy. In no question are they the answer.
@lonniebeal6032 Lithium ion batteries are not long term for evs either. They were developed for portable devices and won't be the preferred choice for evs indefinitely.
I agree, now it’s time to sh*t can a whole bunch of the auto safety mandates as well.
@@thomaslthomas1506 Because you want to be on of the 1.19 million people that die each year globally as a result of road traffic crashes.
I know people that would be hear today if they had the cars we have today.
Let’s just hope the current admin gets replaced in November. Get out there and vote people!
They are going to be replaced. The question is by whom.
There have never been an EV "revolution". A revolution should be driven by consumers. Not to be forced by government to consumer's throat, through mandate and huge taxpayer's money.
So we should go back to allowing DDT and CFCs and allow consumers to choose if they want cheaper chemicals that kill wildlife indiscriminately?
@@stephkent2736 yes
@@jonjonr6 oh hell no. I like living next to a river that doesn’t catch fire and looking at bald eagles (our national emblem) to go back to that crap.
@@stephkent2736that wouldn’t happen now
@@A3A4Tom Bear in mind that Trump does what benefits him the most. If Elon wants EV subsidies, guess what. Vote with your brain!
It should be free market or consumer choice, not government mandates.
First the oil corporations buy congress, congress subsidize oil in a big way. That keeps gasoline cheap. Now you get to choose! hooray for free choice. 🇺🇸
It is free market and consumer choice. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. Part of the problem is that EVs are in their infancy and many would be customers can't afford them at the current prices. Old habits also die hard so that no matter what advantages exist, consumers are used to their polluting gas guzzler ICE models and this is going to be the case until a new generation decides otherwise. Change is difficult both from the production side to consumer sales.
@@midnight4109 How is banning non-EV's providing a choice? I guess the "choice" is EV or no car.
@bills5009 You have completely lost me here. Who is talking about banning any car? Aren't you free to buy whatever you like? There is going to be a strong difference of opinion for years to come.
@@midnight4109 The "EV mandate" is actually an ICE vehicle ban. The current administration wants to ban all ICE vehicles. This is not a free market action.
FJB!!!
Let's Go Brandon!!!!😊😊
Agree 100% - I love the tech of EVs but should be consumer choice. Hopefully that other BS about speed and monitoring drivers get squashed too.
How about we actually level the paying field. Few realize that the US has borrowed and spent over a trillion dollars on the military on behalf of oil corporations.
"According to the Center for Investigative Reporting (CIR), the actual price of gasoline should be closer to $15 per gallon when accounting for all costs associated with gasoline use" The Center for Investigative Reporting relies on a mix of foundation grants, individual donations, and some government support, with a significant portion coming from left-leaning organizations .
Here is your choice. Would you rather buy an EV w/o the $7500 credit or buy an ICE car and pay $10 or $15 a gallon.
@@danharold3087 Well put! I understand your position and don't believe that there is a big enough argument against either EV or ICE but that is going to change over time.
We didn't have to mandate cars to stop people from using horses. When alternatives to ICE vehicles are ready, people will naturally switch. Forcing the issue will end in disaster.
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To the best of our knowledge nobody was subsidizing horses when cars were introduced. They are ready but with $15 gas selling for under $4 there is little point.
@@danharold3087 We've been told that EV's are cheaper to drive than ICE - even at under $4/gallon. I won't even mention the electricity and EV subsidies.
@@bills5009 Just as I will not mention the $80+ billion the US oil industry gets each year. The wars fought due to oil, they run into the trillions. A left wing study pegs gasoline without congress's donations at $15 a gallon.
@@bills5009 And one more thing. The US vehicle fleet is only 1.2% eletric. About 40% can't charge at home. That means we have about 59% more of US drivers that could be charging at home for about 10 cents a KWh every nigh. This is what is selling EVs. More people need to understand it.
The EV mandate benefits only one entity, China.
China needs to meet them too if they want to sell their cars here.
Wait! They are already meeting them!
I guess they did not waste money lobbying to push emission standards back.
@@danharold3087 You missed the point. In the US we cant compete with Chinese EV prices.
@@MR3DDev Not at all. I get what your saying but have a much different take on it. Step back and look at the longer picture. Legacy created this problem. US automakers handed the BEV market to China just as they handed market segments to Germany and Japan. Only this time it looks like BEVs will be the whole enchilada. RIP
US auto is now making hybrids while they try to come up competitive/compelling BEVs that they can manufacture and make a profit. Can they do it?
The recent Supreme Court decision forms the legal basis to rein in the ability of government bureaus to pass laws/ mandates,/ regulations on their own. so , sue baby sue, besides drill baby drill. 💯💰🤑🧐🤔💥👍
The Chevron deference doctrine … It was a perfect tool to justify governmental overreach. It’s about time !!
Agree in principle, but that Chevron decision is really just the Supreme Court telling both the Congress and the President that (per the Constitution) its the Congress' responsibility to set standards and the President's responsibility to carry it out, not for Congress to establish a vague policy law and the president and all the agencies under his authority to establish the standards/regulations. It makes more work for the members of Congress, but if they don't like it they can always find another job. Trying to be as non-partisan as possible here, I like to offend both parties equally.
Lauren Fix keep up the great Reporting okay !!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪❤️
Finally. Some common sense prevails. Let the market decide. Whatever "works" the best for the most people wins
How can consumers decide fairly when they pay $3 and change for $15 gasoline.
"According to the Center for Investigative Reporting (CIR), the actual price of gasoline should be closer to $15 per gallon when accounting for all costs associated with gasoline use"
Tump will cancel this EV madness! Trump 2024 and beyond !!!!
Now I wonder how long he is going to be around for. That was one of the big questions surrounding Joe Biden and his party addressed it.
@@midnight4109 That was called ageism when Biden was still running...
@@bills5009 Can you imagine his running mate taking over the presidency? At least Biden had a capable VP.
Let's Go Brandon and FJB FKH and the Democrat Administration and these EV'S too 💪💪💪🗑🗑🗑🗑
EVs are objectively not environmentally friendly nor are they good cars.
People don't realize the extent of government mandates surrounding vehicles, cars, busses, trucks ect... The EV mandate is just another one. Admittedly there are some mandates that have benefited the consumer, e.g. seat belts installed in all vehicles. Most mandates though have substantially increased the cost of vehicles which is not a benefit to the consumer.
Your benefit to consumer seem a bit narrow. Are you saying smog is beneficial ?
@@danharold3087 Don't be a smart-**s. Of course, the smog in cities is down and it's partially due to automobile emissions. What about all the manufacturing and the related jobs that left the country due to government regulations. The manufacturing sector's business and job losses reduced smog too. Is there no cost to those job losses. The smog has been substantially reduced for 25 years yet the government continues with the mandates. When does it end? If the experts in the 70's/80's demanded changes by government mandate and they were implemented and the experts now say, there are a never-ending stream of new mandates it appears that government mandates are a business unto itself. Where was the cost-benefit in the 70's/80'/90's/2000's? There are none. The same is true for automobile deaths. The experts and government bureaucrat's position are that even 1 auto death is too much. Well, that's unachievable/unrealistic. Same with air pollution.
Sounds like a case of everyone being right, and everyone being wrong.
Thumbed this up! Great news
@@bobdavis3357 We know Biden / Harris would never sign it. We would have to over ride the veto
@@CarCoachReports That is why this election is so important to the world, not just the USA
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Why is allowing more pollution good news?
@@stephkent2736 You mean China? They're building one coal-electric plant every week, and EVs means we get more raw materials from them. That pollution drifts right into the US, btw. This while the US is the leader, by mass and percentage, of decreased pollution, meeting and exceeding global goals.
I'm getting an old Audi S8 with the V10 ✊🏾😤
Nice, I had one of those - super fun!
@@CarCoachReports Did they make those in Diesel? Must be pretty old!
Thank you for keeping us updated! ☕👋🏼🇺🇲
Stop making us buy cars we don't want.
Is a resolution a bill? Where's the courage to actually pass laws?
Only when Congress officially rescinds Executive rule (law) making authority, and demand Congress take its entire role back from the President, will any semblance of sanity return to DC.
How about just getting rid of EV’s altogether?
Thank you for this news. People should have the choice of what they want to buy and what works for them and their families. People should not be forced. This is another clear example of why who you vote for matters.
Communism does the choosing for you. Now let's address the gorilla in the room: Cars spying on us and reporting to police and insurance companies.
Nice to see this occur. EV's just don't seem to make much sense to me as a mandate. They have their niche in the vehicle mix but are not a solution to the overall automotive/environmental mix. I've always seen them as great for shorter trips, but not longer drives. Hybrids seem to be a better balance between the two.
As an aside its nice to see the House (and hopefully the Senate) making a decision. Its the Congress' responsibility to make these decisions (the president has a veto that can be overridden by Congress) per the USA Constitution. The president, whoever that may be, should not be pushed to issue Executive Orders or regulatory mandates through the various agencies to get something decided (or force the Congress to make a decision on an issue either way).
I have no desire to buy a stupid EV ever
Simple solution, buy one of the smart ones.
EV's are the biggest bamboozle and clusterfuck in automotive history...😮😢
The EPA has gone rogue.
Will never buy EV
You could lease one then..
The other issue with EV's is the high cost consumers will have to pay when companies with fleet vehicles have to purchase them. Companies will of course pass all the extra cost onto consumers. Fleet owners will have to purchase extra vehicles to compensate for long charging times. Plus long repair time issues, charging station costs, high insurance costs, and horrendous body repair costs. Hertz's experience was a nightmare.
Congress- here’s a new mandate
Public- we wont do it
Congress- ok well take it away
These mandates were done with little accounting for reality.
Given a choice, many consumers would gladly pick a cheaper, more reliable vehicle. But the mandates now are essentially throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Some people just need to live in a fishbowl and let the people who want to choose, choose freely., Lauren.
If there was no filibuster, this mandate within the infrastructure bill would have been much more strict (no gas/diesel vehicles for sale in USA somewhere between 2030-2035).
Not even Norway wants to immediately cut off sales. If we stop allowing new gas engines in 2035, it will be about 2050-2055 before 80% of the market cuts over. It might happen a little sooner if we add a pollution surcharge to gas the same way we add Medicare and Medicaid taxes to cigarettes at over $5/pack.
@@stephkent2736 it still isn’t right to make someone choose between purchasing a 16 year old gas vehicle or a new EV as the only options (using your 2050 example). And now that Biden has vowed to Veto this I’m happy the filibuster is in place as new gas/diesel vehicles will still be throttled back in the coming years like we’re seeing in the EU.
No government agencies should mandate anything that the people do not want, period.
Isn’t our government supposed be “by the people for the people”?
I don't want them subsidizing oil companies. How do you feel about $10 or $15 gasoline. Go look it up.
@@danharold3087I don’t want any subsidies but the EV thing is wrong.
Sure, at some point we probably should wean ourselves off of fossil fuels but it has to be done gradually and correctly.
Battery EV’s are not the answer simply because batteries are not an energy source, just a storage device and that energy will always be mostly fossil generated until another legitimate source is figured out.
Likely hydrogen ultimately in the long run.
@@matttravers5764
All energy sources, but nuclear, geothermal, and tidal, are ultimately derived from solar energy.
Battery Electric Vehicles are the ultimate multi-fuel vehicle. This means that as we improve our ability to generate electricity from whatever source, the BEV will consume it cleanly. Wind and solar are highly legitimate energy sources.
Hydrogen has to be one of the worst choices for widespread transportation use.
Hydrogen molecules are extremely small, making them prone to leaking through seals, joints, and even some solid materials.
If you follow rocket launches, you will have noticed that multi-million dollar space vehicles leak hydrogen when it's used.
Leaked hydrogen contributes to global warming. When it reaches the upper atmosphere, it can react with hydroxyl radicals, potentially extending the lifetime of methane, a potent greenhouse gas.
Not sure about the rest of the world, but the US fleet is about 1.2% EV after over a decade. At this rate it will take 83 years. Oil has a multitude of uses, we need to stop burning in the next few decades.
At some point, we need to stop funneling money into oil, both foreign and domestic. Do you know the US wastes over $81 billion a year on military spending directly in support of oil. Add in the oil wars and we have spent trillions. This has to stop. The oil company propaganda is telling you different. I don't know who else would be.
They've run out of idiots to sell them to!
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Joe Manchin is right
It isn’t delayed
This is another reason to vote for Republicans in 2024. Let the consumer decide what type of car they want to drive and suits their needs, not politicians and the government!!!
Do we also get to choose to cut oil subsides. Maybe charge the oil companies when the navy is called out on an oil related thing.
According to a 2018 study, the U.S. military spends approximately $81 billion per year protecting global oil supplies.
I don't think that is one of the major problems with this election, or the solution.
@ danharold3087-- Speaking of subsidies, several years ago my neighbor bought a new Tesla. She told me that she didn't have to pay any federal income tax that year because she received a $7,500 tax credit for buying an EV. As a hard working person who pays plenty of income tax such as myself, in effect have to help subsidize my neighbor, who buys an expensive EV? Especially for a vehicle that I don't want, and probably can't afford.
@@franknew9001 As a hard working person you will want to know that oil companies are costing US taxpayers, like you, $82 billion a year. If every BEV sold last year got the $7500 credit, they did not, the cost would have been $9 billion.
Stop listening to the oil companies. We are all subsidizing them and to a much greater extent. They are spending gobs of money to color our thinking. Artificially low gasoline prices, maintained through various subsidies and policies, indeed create an uneven playing field for alternative technologies like BEVs. This makes it harder for consumers to see the true cost comparison between traditional combustion engine vehicles and electric vehicles.
@@danharold3087 Do you support nuclear energy?
EV are not even environmentally better than ICE cars...check it out...the mining is way worse...
They need to delay that indefinitely
People will eventually realize that oil is very very expensive. Even when sold for sub $4 a gallon.
The 🇺🇸 military spend $81 billon a year to protect oil production and transportation. Trillions if one counts the oil wars.
Without Gov intervention the auto industry was shifting to electric vehicles on its own. Wealthy people were buying expensive EV's and the technology was developing rapidly. Hybrid vehicles were selling well as they are more affordable than fully electric. As technology develops the products always become less expensive and more refined. If Gov would just stay out and not interfere the auto industry would progress all by itself. I recently bought my first hybrid car because I was financially ready and I felt that the quality of the hybrid vehicles was at a level that I would appreciate. I was correct and I am happy with my new Toyota Venza. I didn't need the Nanny State to tell me when I should buy a hybrid vehicle. In the future if I see that fully electric vehicles are up to my standards and I can afford one I will buy one without pressure from the Gov.
The only reason it is delayed is the Legacy Auto makers can't build a EV at a profit yet so the Government is trying to protect the Auto Industry by giving them more time and if this is not correct then WHY did the Government put such high Tariffs on Chinese cars. Are they running scared ? ? ?
COOL fact! Lauren was a professional race car driver, probably still is!
Chances of it being signed into law or the President’s veto being overturned is nearly Zero.
Who was the one Republican ?
High cancer rates for longer.
It is understandable if a president makes a border policy or does something on tariffs; however it is highly questionable if he can can impact an entire industry, it's workers, suppliers, and possibly the economy. That's Congressional matter; Not to mention it but the new president is opposed to EVs even though he is buddies with Tesla maker Elon Musk. Jenny
PS#1 - What happened with Solyndra and the solar world? Not much since most of that money was stolen. Shoulda' taken the president with them.
@@JENNIFERGOTTI I was prepared to dispute you but your spot on. "inaccurate and misleading information" on the government loan application. But net says it was not stealing because it was government money. I want to cry. We soo need solar we can afford. Yet both red and blue placed tariffs on it.
Net zero is the new project fear…?
The move to net zero has been around since the GM EV1 in the early to mid 90s.
What is "net zero" exactly?
Oh and I will buy you a coffee Sunday for the last event of the season if you are there😉
See you there
Oh look, a crapload of democrats in the pocket of big oil or the car manufacturers voted against making them responsible for divesting profits into environmentally responsible vehicles. How surprising.
And why gasoline is not $10 or $15 a gallon.
Notice all the people driving Baker Electric cars in the 1940s🤔😉
Hybrid... is the way. Said it 5 years ago.
hybid, regular gas, diesel, electric, hydrogen, etc - all options should be available and let the consumer decide.
@@BrianNC81 we have.
@@Kevin-mk6jo I don't think the government should be picking winners and losers by giving tax credits to their preferred technology.
nah hybrids are junk too
@@BrianNC81 But first we need to place a tax on each purchase according to how much the energy source is subsidized by the government. That would be a level playing field.
Make it reliable and cheap and see how consumer will flock to EV!🤦
theyre gonna force it , just like theyre forcing ppl to buy hybrids. whether you want to or not you have no choice but to buy a hybrid if you want a new car
Car dealers are pushing hybrids because they need scheduled maintenance. And more repairs in general than a BEV. Most legacy car makers have not figured out that when they build an electric car efficiency counts. Nobody wants their warmed over ICE cars they call electric.
EVs are the most elegantly simple (drive train parts count 30:2000), safe (highest ever NCAP, fire ratio 1:60), environmentally friendly (by a huge margin) and economical (70,000km = 0 maintenance cost) engineering solution for humanities locomotve needs. Best of all, as with ICE Chariots of Fire, they will continue to improve a pace and relegate legacy technology to where it belongs: History...
Great. And when that happens, ICE will fade into history’s past without governmental mandates and overreach.
It is not a mandate but somehow you can't stop saying it. Legacy auto has had decades to figure out how to build ZEV vehicles that worked. Instead they mostly spent money lobbying as the did again this time. Oh what a SHOCK !
Ranks right up there with my dog ate my homework.
Do you support nuclear energy?
@@bills5009 Yes.
@@bills5009 Me too!
I agree! We really don't EV mandates. EVs will shortly be so much less expensive to buy and operate than gas cars, no one will want a gas car.
But government is needed to incentivize the transition to EV manufacturing, build American battery plants, start mining and refining minerals here. We also need cheap energy (fossil fuel) to "power" this transition since nuclear has a 10 year lead-time (due to archaic regulations).
If legacy auto doesn't figure out how to profitably build battery electric vehicles, China is going to put them all out of business. Government may have to regulate them to do this which is very different than an EV mandate but perhaps even more effective at getting them to make the transition.
@@pstary One of the reasons EV's are so much cheaper to build in China is US government regulation. Piling more regulations on EV and battery manufacturers will make the US even less competitive.