Arantxa made the best decision going to UKvTW instead of Espana All Stars. While she got exposed to a larger audience and was universally beloved by fellow contestant and viewers alike (even not doing that well in the competition), the Espana All Stars girls got a lot of drama and hate - and most of what happened was out of their control
I LOVE that...but it doesn't excuse the judges and other queens for going along with the bullying. That's a stain that's not coming out by rehiring a director.
@@user-qv5sn3pw4h it doesnt excuse but it explains a lot cuz in the eyes of production that's what they wanted to display to go along with global storyline
I love Drag Race España, and I love so many Spanish queens. BUT they have the same storyline for the winner every year. It’s like they have to make sure the winner wins almost every challenge.
the fact that they tried to give Sagittaria a brat edit but it didn't even work and she became the breakout star of the szn was so crazy to watch in real time
Well I dont know about that, like sure we all know she shoud have been top2 in a ball, but throwing pillows around… we arent in a kindergarden, so they didnt have to try too hard to give her a brat edit.
I think another thing that rubbed people the wrong way was what happened in the Sethlas vs Juriji lipsync. Sethlas literally broke a real mirror and left glass shards on stage, production let the lipsync go on and that led to Juriji getting hurt.
I think it's also important to point out the finale. Clearly the popular vote wanted Samantha to win. Also, it seems that most viewers (myself included) felt that Sethlas lost the first finale lipsync against Hornella. Production also allowed her to jump from the judges booth on the final lipsync which seemed too desperate (and even disrespectful) in the viewers' eyes. It's not Sethlas fault at all. Production's differential treatment affected how we all felt for this season. Hope they learn from their mistakes
Controversial opinion: the javis are running the show and their opinion is the only one that counts. The javis call are the shots and the favoritism of production is just a reflection of the javis own bias. Even more, the javis seem to have anna locking restricted to only judge based on fashion and styling but she is not allowed to comment on anything else. Supreme is just a place holder drag queen for the javis to pretend that the show is actually run by a drag queen but in reality Supreme has no say about any important decision on the show. I started noticing this on s2 after they kept saving Samantha just because they liked her, then s3 became just too obvious that the show was running by their likes and favorites. I recall watchin the short javi about to redirect the conversation to ana and he said "ana, the fashion...." and I immediately thought "anna is there for the clothes, Supreme is there for the illusion of a local rupaul like person" but the real judging and decision is coming from the bootleg boulet brother like couple aka the javis
I do as well! I’d also love to see Jota come back and say she got more clothing pieces from that famous lady what was her name Lola Fuentes or something XD I’d love that gag too
Rumors here in Spain say that there has once again been a change in the producer for the fourth season and also in the direction of the season. Returning to the vibes of the first and second seasons and without a clear winner for the final.
My opinion that nobody asked but still i'm going to talk about this season: Positive things: - the cast - challenges performance ( rarely some performances like sagittaria's snatch game were bad) - Samantha & Juriji rudemption - Sethlas dominating the season , even though ( this will be also in my negative things ) - Pupi finally won a snatch game - for the most part it was an entertaining season. - the runways ate down. Negative things: - the pakita's mistreatment ( I mean she could ve top 2 in the talent show, high for the snatch game and wasn't bad to be bottom 2 in the ball) - Sethlas favoritism in some ways ( Like honestly she shouldn't have win the ball, but if we were fair , she should have been top 2 in the girl groups) - Samantha some favouritism ( Love her , happy that finally she get some recognition, but she shouldn't be high in the snatch game and top 2 in the girl groups) - Sagittaria some mistreatment ( Like i get it , she should have been in the top 2 in the ball , but it was fair that she should have been in the bottom 2 for girl groups) Conclusion: I really like this season for the most part , better than españa 3 , but not better than españa 1 and 2 , i was sad that juriji didn't make it to the top 2 for the crown , but anyways congratulations to sethlas she deserves it. It was a nice try for españa to redeem herselfs for the last season, but i hope españa 4 would be better than this.
i've said the same thing to my boyfriend at the time. much like pitita, sethlas was dominating the game there was no need to push them because they're probably gonna get to the finale with a great track record anyways. sethlas could've been either high or low for the ball and the final product would still be the same. IF sagi had a top 2 that day maybe she wouldn't flip on production like she did.
Rightfully so, I haven’t watched the season but I just looked over the looks, it’s very clear to me that Juriji and Sagittaria were the top two, I can see clearly how well constructed Sagi's gown was compared to others, and Juriji had the best concept. Sethlas's look should honestly be low.
I'm glad you brought up the story arc of Sagittaria. Sethlas, Pupi and Samantha dogpiling her for no reason soured me on the season more than the Sethlas favoritism tbh. Seasons 1-2 of España also had winners who bulldozed the competition but production still allowed all the other queens to shine in their own way. On the other hand, Season 3 and All Stars sacrificed and pushed aside all the other queens in order to prop up the winner that would have bulldozed the competition anyway.
also it wasn't just ep3 that annoyed me, in the next ep, it was the "the far can we break Sagittaria" game, and also for the other 2 eps, they were all still talking shit ab her even after she left. they literally had nothing narratively to add after their martyr left, so they kept bringing her up.
3 things in my opinion that hurt this season: 1. Biased judging: it's very evident in the ball challenge with all the drama, but overlooking Pakita in the first 2 episodes was sad for me. The biggest problem with the production was that it was so obvious that Sethlas was their choice to win. 2. The mistreatment of Sagittaria: completely agree with you! They tried to push the narrative that Sagi is stupid and just because of that her opinions and feelings were not valid. 3. Sethlas twitter reaction: it added even more to the fuel that Sethlas wrote on Twitter "la envidia tiene nombre" which means the envy (or the jealousy depending on the context) has a name. This continues the narrative that Sagi can't have an opinion on the production (even Sagi told her respectfully "I don't agree with how this episode was judged"), because it wasn't personal, she was calling out the production. Even Sethlas had to deactivate her Twitter because fans called her out about her behavior and Drag Vulcano (Sethlas friend) was super aggressive towards Sagi and her fans, I understand she wanted to defend her friend but it was really chaotic to say the least. Anyway, I enjoyed the season and I think there were some highlights and the majority of the queens ended the season winning something: Juriji: cementing herself as the fan favorite, winning challenges and most importantly being herself in the werkroom and the confessionals. Her life journey is amazing and it's really good to see her fully realized self. Pupi: finally winning a snatch game! It was the best feeling. Pakita: the "robbed" queen. Sometimes losing is the new winning and it resonates with the fans. Sagi: i think the drama fueled her fan favorite status. She was THE meme queen of the season intentionally or not. And how she handled everything was really good to see. Samantha: what a glow up! She managed to adapt her persona and drag to Drag Race (something really hard for some drag legends who flop in the show), she was funny, she was lovely, had great runways and it felt really good to see. I love Hornella and Onyx but this wasn't their time. Onyx is THE alternative look queen of the Spain franchise, but her persona is not for a format like drag race. And Hornella is underrated, I need her on a Vs the world where she can receive her flowers.
I would love to see Hornella in a vs the world season (not sure if she speaks English but anyways would love to see her). She was my favourite and even though I don't think she should've won any challenge that she didn't win instead of someone else, I'm still sad we didn't get to see "more of her" since the storyline did not revolve or involve her much
Even though it can be debatable, I think that ep 3 was absolutely deserved. That third look might not have been the best made, but I think the way she styled and portrayed the theme really sold it. And her second look may be one of the top 10/20 best looks of all time!
¡Excelente análisis! Kids, this is what media literacy looks like! P.S. The concept of "fair use" does NOT exist under Spanish law. 22:53 "Martirizadas", which basically means martyred.
This season challenges and cast was amazing. But the season was bad the first two episodes was excellent. But after ep 3 where sethlas get that win she does not deserve. It just feels like what's the point we all know sethlas is going to win.
In my opinion they wanted to crown a Canarian winner at all costs, but not necessarily on a main season, so All Stars was the perfect opportunity to do it. Canarian drag is a weird paradox here in Spain, on the one hand the Canary Islands is like synonymous with drag, the drag galas during carnival are hugely popular and are even shown on national tv, but on the other hand there is this idea, particularly on mainland Spain, that the quality of the drag is a bit naff and samey (the platform shoes, no wigs, body suits, feathers). And I think the show in all three regular seasons before All Stars leaned into both these aspects, the judges would talk about their respect for traditional Canarian drag and how it has paved the way etc, but then they would bemoan how the looks are all too samey or that they didn't take care of the details (they were particularly harsh on Drag Vulcano and Drag Chuchi). So the general perception was starting to become one that the judges/show were being disingenuous, and that they did not truly appreciate Canary drag as much as they were saying. So along comes All Stars, they invite Sethlas back, who is arguably the more "polished" and versatile Canarian queen of the franchise, and this was the shows chance to put things right. A thing you mentioned a few times was that Sethlas was a fan favourite from her season, from personal experience I wouldn't really say that was the case. Jurijee was thee stand out fan favourite from season 2, meanwhile Sethlas was seen as bit too serious and annoying (or at least amongst my friendship groups). Like you said, she definitely could have won the season without the help of production and people would have been like "OK fair play, she deserved it" but the blatant favouritism has left yet another black mark on the franchise.
They tried to screw Sagittaria but they only screwed themselves more. Imagine if they put Sethlas low (or even bottom) at the ball. This season really can be a fine example of a butterfly effect.
The way the judges and other queens treated Sagittaria was pretty disgusting. Espana was my favorite franchise outside of the US. Not anymore. They burned the whole thing to the ground for me.
That singular undeserved win and using Sagi as a tool to further justify their decisions didn’t make the watching experience very delightful (I might as well add the mistreatment of Pakita). The cast was good, the runways were excellent and Sethlas is a deserving winner, but I wasn’t particularly very invested. I hope ES gets back to form, there’s so much potential, but production needs to figure it out. All of that to say 🤭 I really enjoyed this video! You perfectly captured what I felt about the season. I am always fascinated by the way you structure your scripts and masterfully tune them. Keep it up!
I’M SO GLAD YOU ENJOYED MY VIDEO - the scriptwriting process was definitely a…well, process! I also love Sethlas as a winner and think her reign could’ve been GLORIOUS if the producers didn’t drop the ball :/ (literally)
The way my heart gets excited to see a Belakboy video 🥰🥰 I was also hoping that this season would redeem the faults of season 3, but the judging soured my desire for a revival of España being the international franchise leader. I'd love to hear your thoughts on Belgium 2. Something's just not quite hitting. The first season was pretty lacklustre but season 2 was even worse :/ it's like they all turn up, do the done thing, then go back to the hotel! :/ No drama, no storylines, no fights and seriously questionable judging 😅
Thanks Belaaak! This video hits all the important points and so eloquently on top of all that! The mistreatment of Sagittaria is so clear to me that it almost invalidates Sethlas winning the crown
I agree with your analysis of the damage control of Sagittaria calling out production. What’s funny is that that sequence could simply not have made the final edit. That’s what the RPDR productions commonly do. In AS8, a lot of queens apparently called out riggory on camera and yet the final edit merely suggested Heidi disagreed with the judging to explain why she left the competition. The fact they included it in the final edit makes me think production wasn’t confident in post prod they’d manage to convince the audience with the rush they had, so they kept the Sagittaria sequence to preemptively create a delulu edit and convey it would be stupid to believe the game is rigged.
For me, as a spaniard quite vinculated to spanish drag scene, the problem is one (and a huge one): Drag Race España is completly disconected from spanish drag scene and it own audience. They did quite good in S1 and S2 because of the spontaneity of those casts, the contest let them be free and their personalities and their work where the spot of the season. But after those seasons they have tried to be something more like an american reality I guess, with more drama and looking for the reactions from the audience on social media, but they don't know how to mange it correctly, they don't understand that people don't expect the same from USA than from Spain. But it's just an opinion. I guess they are getting what they want because it seems this is going to be the way the show will drive its narrative from now, as far I know.
Also despite Sethlas being portrayed as the moral winner of the fight against Sagittaria she kept bringing her up all season long even after she was long gone. The edit they gave Sethlas was too positive so it basically made her look like a bully who punches down and gets protected by the teacher. Compare this to Plane Jane in s16 who "won" the fight against amanda and did bring her up later on (although not as much) but seing as she was potrayed as an antihero/villain no one really cared as much. They should've either made sethlas an antihero or just not include the moments of her being bitter.
Samantha Ballentines carried the whole season for me, probably best rudemption we've seen of a queen on drag race. But that Sethlas vs Sagi fight certainly left a bad taste in my mouth and that's why DREAS is not on the same level as the first two seasons.
I loved the 3rd look from sethlass on the ball. I feel it's inspired by a magic the gathering card that also is a good portrait of envy: "Eriette of the charmed apple" who is based on the witch of the snow white
It's sad to see one of the international franchises with the most potential get ruined by production's narrow view of what the show should be. The fact that they haven't allowed later seasons to run organically, giving room to unpredictable moments, just shows that they don't know the audience at all. Casting is done so well every year, they seriously need to let the queens talent be the show.
Really good analysis. Sagitaria edits remind me of the Salina Estities edit during reunion and the final to discredit her totally since her tantrum with Ross Matthews when she was eliminated. I'm pretty sure they portrayed her has an angry-bitter queen with the "Ok white girl" or her "Rolling eyes" during Kornbread song just to punish her in some kind of way to punish her for insulting a judge.
Baby I Stan ESTITTIES right with u! The judges ‘we don’t get ur drag’ bullshyt if the queens gotta learn references from the 60s to 80s for rupaul the judges can educate themselves in Latino west coast culture! And that design challenge made me almost break my tv! Salina should’ve WON with the back pack thing it was clean!
To me what made the season bad was the judging. Sethlas did do well in the season but after win in the ball I noticed that they were gonna crown her. It felt like they gave her a free pass to win the season no matter how bad she would perform. Like in the final episode she didn’t win neither of her lip syncs yet they wanted her to win. I think that’s why her win doesn’t feel justified because in the very two episodes she did falter production just saved her or straight up rewarded her.
Interesting fact: yet again, a Canary Island queen wins the Talent Show challenge in a different franchise - Perseo in EP 2 of France S3 😊🇮🇨 But she ends up receiving similar critiques as in Spain counterpart regarding lack of versatility in looks getting the chop in EP 6
Sometimes I feel that Drag Race producers (from all franchises) mostly treat their audience as being dumb. I mean, it's a dumb show, but the audience AND THE QUEENS aren't, give a little respect!
Your closing statement about how episode 3 messed up the season for so many fans really speaks more on how short sighted and ridiculous the fan base can be than anything else. This season was packed full of talented queens that brought entertainment, fashion, humour.. the lot. And yet that can be largely disregarded and forgotten because some people are salty about the judges choices on one episode… And because a noisy vocal “majority” run their mouths on Twitter suddenly that’s the perspective of all the fans and the legacy for the season? Thats honestly so nutty. Also you talk about things like a group consensus of % values for runways on balls.. thankfully you admit that that isn’t official from the show because clearly it’s not and their isn’t consistent evidence to support it.
The only thing consistent about DR is that it’s inconsistent. S16 Plane Jane won the makeover challenge with a “twin” look and we have seen it before when the judges and production will pick and choose when that is a good or a bad thing. It’s a tv show with a lot of bullsh1t and yet these nutty fans take a bunch of hate to the queens for things that are often not in their control or even remotely “their fault”. It just sucks. “Support your local drag” comes to mind. How this season can be considered to you as a second strike against expana over one episode is wild.
Last comment one my fav running gags was everyone clothes and wigs falling off every lipsync I call it the SAMANTHA BALLENTINES I wanted Samantha to do it ONE time on all stars SO BAD 😭😭😭
It’s especially disappointing seeing the parallel with Samantha coming back and really showing why All Stars was created, just for it to be invalidated because the cards were stacked against her (which is wild considering she’s also a production fav and a close friend of Supremme). Had it honestly been fair, Sethlas and Samantha would have been more on par with each other and Hornella wouldn’t have got carried as far as she did, giving her an overall disappointing showing on her return. Juriji despite winning two challenges was virtually invisible in the edit until the finale. The edit was the nail in the coffin bc even that was stacked in Sethlas’ favor. No shade to her but every challenge (except snatch game) was something to make Sethlas look better than everyone else.
I totally agree with you except for the part that Sethlas deserved the top at the roast. Good look and good roast but nothing beyond that. And… you are right most of the Spanish DR fandom dislikes now Sethlas not only for her favouritism but also because of her attitude towards Sagi
And commenting again STOP PLAYING WITH ONYX UNLESHED!!! Ugh I never wanted to break my tv how they play with her I hope she goes on dragula or vs the world where she will SLAY IT
When i saw sagittaria saying those things i knew she clocked production nut i dont think she was the one to win tho, because the second sethlas look on the ball was so good she deserved the high placement but not the top 2 like you said and instead pakita should have been saved bcs i loved the 3 looks and the judges and production just rigged the critiques for the 3rd look.
Sethlas and Samantha dominated the whole season. People focusing on one episode to discredit their whole achievement are just delusional. Sagittaria would never win this pageant
This season made me love Sethlas less because she was a clear front runner and if in untucked vs bullying sagataria for her opinion and saying it’s the conception that won and was humble id love her more. Like girl that nipples out glass corset was NOT a good third outfit! Some self awareness there and humility would’ve made her look good. When u clearly are the favorite and acting entitled behind the scenes it’s not a good luck.
I must say the one queen to come out basically the winner of españa all stars is Samantha she is the only one to truly come out with nothing but fan support and new success
The way Espania keeps PLAYING in Onyx face PISSED ME OFF and they hold their head so high it’s INSANE ! I never been so pissed I assumed in all stars they were gonna right their wrongs but no let’s phuck over one the most talented in make up looks creating and personality queens of all time. My god
I had such a completely different issue than most with that season. I understood why Sethlas had to be high about the ball; what happened to her after her performance at Carnival of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria and how she was targeted gives her political importance in the context of queer Spain well beyond Drag Race so when she highlights that moment with an exceptional look, possibly the best of the night, it has to be showcased. I do think she should have been just high. But I just did not see Sagi's point of view there. Yes, Sagi had the better constructed look but she completely failed in the runway presentation of Lust. Sethlas' look was basic but it was very effective, Sagi gave a completely covered up look for Lust and embarassingly trying to use a whip so softly I could hear Alexis Michelle scream "harder". I've always felt that runway prompts should matter way more than they do and if you fail to meet the prompt, it doesn't matter if your look make my jaw drop, you shouldn't be winning. My issue was Pakita. Her final look was absolutely gorgeous, it was also a political statement in its own right. The look itself depicted Wrath mainly through reference (which is what Art often does) and her runway presentation was exceptional and theatrical. Like Sethlas, it was performance art only she actually had a complex look on the runway as well. And from the edit we saw, Samantha should have been safe on Snatch Game with Pakita on the third high spot (though not top) So it's not just about whether Sethlas was favored. The entire elimination Order felt predetermined. They wanted to keep Hornella so they kept her from being low in this challenge although she was nearly as bad as Pupi. And after that I felt the fandom just went crazy with discrediting Sethlas every time she so much as breathed on set. It's just sad that they did not just keep Sethlas high for that challenge and if they wanted to give her a fourth win, she could have easily won the girl group challenge over either Samantha or Sethlas; they were all so evenly matched imo.
I agree completely that Sethlas' win was unjustified and completely wrong. However, acting like this is the "second strike" for España that tarnished the entire season in an otherwise really great show is, honestly, pretty insincere to me. I think people hold España in super high regards thanks to the first two seasons, but as we are seeing this is also the reason people have a huge magnifying glass on the season and blow everything out of proportion. This isn't the first nor the last time Drag Race has made baffling decisions. And I'm not talking easy targets the likes of Down Under 1, Holland 2, US 13, UK 3 or Italia 1, I'm talking about seasons that are generally well received or middle of the road. Jorgeus' ball win in US 14, Dakota's bottom placement in UK 4, Pearl winning over Trixie on the lipsync in season 7, Jinkx winning the lipsync over Monet in AS7, several makeover challenges like Yvonne winning in Germany... Most of us (not everyone, it's subjective) as viewers see these as bad decisions. However, they are still well liked seasons that weren't completely ruined by it. España All Stars checked on almost every aspect. The comedy challenges landed even for international viewers, the fashion was top tier, the talent show was spectacular and, despite what transpired in and out of the show, seeing the Sagi/Sethlas drama was pretty entertaining. The only crimes this season committed were messing up the positions in the Ball episode (I don't think Pakita should have been in the bottom) and mistreating Sagi in the edit. That's it. Most of everything else was some of the best drag from last year! If this is really all that needs to happen in a season to have a distaste for it, no season of Drag Race gets spared, or very few. Non-english seasons really don't need to be easily discarded in this way. Comparing this to España 3 which was riddled with problems is just... Just no, honey. And I say this as someone that wanted Samantha to win. But I just can't be mad at Sethlas winning since she killed every other episode. Like, there's a universe where she was in the top in the girl group episode and that would have been justified as well. TL;DR: Yes, episode 3 was poorly judged. But singling out this one decision and saying this is the second strike towards an amazing franchise and implying that another bad decision might be the final nail in the coffin is just wrong. If this were the case, Down Under should be in the gutter by now. And, well, it isn't. (Holland is a different can of worms).
THIS!!!! and for what its worth Id like to see another Holland season anyway at some point, because I enjoy the queens that came out of it and was exiced to see them on UKvtw. Its sad that international seasons get written off entirely to the point most the dr fans will never watch it.
Absolutely agreed. I mean by this logic of one bad decision and editing choice is a strike . . . Drag Race should never have made it to season 4. People are way more harsh with the non- English speaking seasons which already get so much less viewership.
Thanks for the video! I haven't watched the season, I stopped mid S3 and never came back, so I was hesitant, but as far as I've seen, a lot of people are attacking the Javis, for their comments and judging, Ana is regarded pretry well and Supremme has mixed feelings. I hope Sethlas is not treated harshly, she's amazing, definitely deserving of the crown, but the production really gutted her run, and the show with S3's mistakes. Hopefully S4 is a good one
I've never liked their judging. 1st season Puppy was over rated, 2nd season Sharone too. And poor Pakita was under appreciated both times smh. First I thought maybe is cuz I dont get the references but no. They laugh at anything if they like you and if Ana does like your look, you are done. Much preferred France tbh.
It was certainly a better season than season 3, but still not a great season Imo Sethlas could've been in the bottom for the roast, she totally ignored the hair salon theme
This season was bitter-sweet indeed I loved the cast and I really hoped the season had stepped away from the derailment of S3. But the storytelling and production was AWFUL. I was really hyped Sethlas was there and we can't deny she DEMOLISHED her run. She could have easily won 3 challenges in all fairness and leaving the ball with a Top Top placement. But you can see she was really pushed the last 2 episodes bcs her roast wasn't that funny and Hornella surprisingly beat her :0 but it was obvious the outcome at the end. I still love the queens, Sagittaria has rised a super lovely queen to me and if she said she and Sethlas had settled everything up for the tour I'm ok with it bcs the queens were kinda pushed by production to be liked that in such stressful environment in the set 😢
I'mma be real, it was a good, enjoyable season and it wasn't that rigged. The ball has a concept to embody, Sethlas had two of the best looks of the night, and one of a few looks that actually embodied their sin. In a lineup I can tell that's pride. Wtf is Sagittaria's? Lust is the easiest sin to represent and she made a nice red dress. (That didn't hit the floor) I'm pretty sure she was even coached into making it sexier by Anna Locking and didn't. Most of the criticism was about how you embodied the assigned sin, and it was like that to everyone meaning it was fair. It being different than what the audience expects doesn't make it rigged. And then Sethlas should've won the girl group too.
@@petelouis1110 it was pride, she showed skin, was tall and had mirror pieces everywhere. Very clearly it did. And it's actually one of the hardest sins to showcase in a look as it's more conceptual. Somehow Sagi got the most literal and easy to do amd still didn't hit it on the head. If the dress she made had an ass out moment like detox she would've won that, hands down.
@@joaogouveia2224 nah, it was heavily rigged. I did not get “pride” from her look, just some unfinished corset 🤦🏻♂️🫠 ideally the same as pupis look just different stuff glued to it 😂
22:52 The word is "martirizadas" (mar.ti.ri.za.das), martyrs in English. I know the video is more about the cataclysmic downfall of DRES from the grace of the public and the storylines pushed in AS but I would've liked to hear your opinions on MADRE SAMANTHA BALLENTINES, SIEMPRE SERÁS FAMOSA!🥺🦋
I think is the judging in the sense that how they praised Sethlas was just different from the other queens it felt like they just wanted Sethlas and eveyone else felt overlooked, maybe not Samantha that was clearly the other favourite. Maybe give them some acting classes so it's not that obvious. And dont get ne wrong Sethlas is the clear winner of the season.
I still think that s3 is hated too much. I think it has so many fun moments, great fashion and best lipsyncs on España yet. Personally, I liked Pitita, I think she deserved to win. Yes, the judging could have been different but I don’t think that the ending would be different. Same with AS. I think that Sethlas deserved all her wins in the season and clearly deserved her crown. I don’t even think that Sethlas winning ball is that crazy. Her hell look is amazing! Basically, I feel like people didn’t like the winners of s3 and AS and that makes them hate on seasons that honestly aren’t that bad.
I stopped watching after episode 4 as the treatment of Sagittaria on the episode was so horrendous. Literally just felt like production trying to assassinate her character for a whole hour!
Espana All Stars was messy for so many reasons 1. Heavy Pakita and Sagittaria mistreatment 2. Samantha favouritism 3. They did 9 queens and a top 4, for me that doesn’t work
Forced wins by production mess up a season just have Sethlas lose the design episode. Boom just like all stars 8 y’all want Jimbo to win cool cast mainly FIERCE queens like Jimbo that also got 3 left feet like Jimbo so it’s not so forced why she never lip syncing or falling to the bottom. That’s all u gotta do cuz it’s plenty fierce bytches with 2 left feet to choose from!
I was on board watching eps 1 and 2 but 3 I could hardly go through. Seeing a queen get so much hate for being RIGHT was such a hard watch. I gave a chance to ep4 expecting a redemption but it was the ultimate let down. I'm not sure I'd watch another season...
I don't think Sagittaria is dumb at all, she is just immature. She conducted herself unprofessionally with absolutely no regards for anyone but herself.
I don't think this is a tin foil hat crazy theory at all, like for me it makes perfect sense haha and also this was a really enjoyable season with all this drama and talent, the worst part was the ongoing hate towards Sagitaria knowing she was right (and also Sethlas shouldn't have won the roast at all, love her but she couldn't even speak fluently)
I hate to disagree because I love that you cover the international seasons but I was excited for this season before, during and after. I still recommend Espana to everyone. I think you are pushing a negative opinion on purpose. Yes, Pakita was amazing. Sagitteria deserved everything she got and she didn't really deserve to be there anyway. I loved Samantha's improvement. Of course, Sethlas got some favorable edits and treatment but that doesn't diminish my loyalty to the show. It is much more watchable than many other franchises - Sweden, Canada, Belgium, Holland, etc.
No cuz like, Sagittaria acted like a crybaby for not getting favoured and everyone acted like she was in the right? And then saying Sethlas deserved to be in the bottom when Samantha's mess of a dress was right there
I mean, really?? Well, maybe I was so biased towards Sethlas that I didn't see the riggory set up for her to win. However, I felt that on Samantha, like they pushed so hard in order to restore her reputation and put her on the place they originally planned on Season 2. Seriously, it felt so forced how production did everything to make Ms Ballentine happen, at all costs. Whatever!!! 🙄💁♀️🤷♀️ PS: Hahaha, "Little Javier", I cackled!!! 😂😂😂
This was such a weird season, amazing queens, runways, personalities, challenges. But the editing of what they tried to make us believe Sagittaria did was really weird, the fact that the lipsyncs were horrible, Samatha and Hornella did good solo performances, but the rest was a disaster. Honestly I would love the season and Sethlas as a winner if that edit and attitude was better.
Episode 1 and 2 were great, I would only disagree with some high or low placements and with the decision of Sethlas winning the first lipsync, other than that, AMAZING episodes
Arantxa made the best decision going to UKvTW instead of Espana All Stars. While she got exposed to a larger audience and was universally beloved by fellow contestant and viewers alike (even not doing that well in the competition), the Espana All Stars girls got a lot of drama and hate - and most of what happened was out of their control
I mean, in spain not a lot of queens speak fluent english, so I guess aranxa was one of the few ones that could go there.
Arantxa would have also been a first out in Espana All Stars, she is delightful but she did not stand a chance with this cast.
@@c.k.8585 another reason she made the best decision
appearantly they fired the director from s3 and esas1 and rehired the one from 1 and 2
thank god
I LOVE that...but it doesn't excuse the judges and other queens for going along with the bullying. That's a stain that's not coming out by rehiring a director.
source?
@@user-qv5sn3pw4h it doesnt excuse but it explains a lot cuz in the eyes of production that's what they wanted to display to go along with global storyline
WE WON
I love Drag Race España, and I love so many Spanish queens. BUT they have the same storyline for the winner every year. It’s like they have to make sure the winner wins almost every challenge.
I'll admit Sethlas came through and genuinely deserved all their wins (except perhaps the ball) but when it happens every season it gets sooo old
the fact that they tried to give Sagittaria a brat edit but it didn't even work and she became the breakout star of the szn was so crazy to watch in real time
Well I dont know about that, like sure we all know she shoud have been top2 in a ball, but throwing pillows around… we arent in a kindergarden, so they didnt have to try too hard to give her a brat edit.
@@samnovak3024well they make stuff like Jimbo and Kandy's play fighting light hearted, why are we making Sagittaria look bad?
@@sunnydays07 because she posed a direct threat to the producers view of sethlas narrative
I think another thing that rubbed people the wrong way was what happened in the Sethlas vs Juriji lipsync.
Sethlas literally broke a real mirror and left glass shards on stage, production let the lipsync go on and that led to Juriji getting hurt.
That all very telling of how the production DOES NOT care about the queens or their safety
It’s very unfortunate that the production didn’t stop the lip sync to clean up the glass for the queens’ safety 🥺
I think it's also important to point out the finale. Clearly the popular vote wanted Samantha to win. Also, it seems that most viewers (myself included) felt that Sethlas lost the first finale lipsync against Hornella. Production also allowed her to jump from the judges booth on the final lipsync which seemed too desperate (and even disrespectful) in the viewers' eyes. It's not Sethlas fault at all. Production's differential treatment affected how we all felt for this season. Hope they learn from their mistakes
Controversial opinion: the javis are running the show and their opinion is the only one that counts. The javis call are the shots and the favoritism of production is just a reflection of the javis own bias. Even more, the javis seem to have anna locking restricted to only judge based on fashion and styling but she is not allowed to comment on anything else. Supreme is just a place holder drag queen for the javis to pretend that the show is actually run by a drag queen but in reality Supreme has no say about any important decision on the show. I started noticing this on s2 after they kept saving Samantha just because they liked her, then s3 became just too obvious that the show was running by their likes and favorites. I recall watchin the short javi about to redirect the conversation to ana and he said "ana, the fashion...." and I immediately thought "anna is there for the clothes, Supreme is there for the illusion of a local rupaul like person" but the real judging and decision is coming from the bootleg boulet brother like couple aka the javis
Giving Ukvstw rigged bc of BBC conspiracy realness. I mean it’s highly probable, but we just don’t know….
I just hope Puppi's right about she is back every season of DRES I's love that running gag 😂
I do as well! I’d also love to see Jota come back and say she got more clothing pieces from that famous lady what was her name Lola Fuentes or something XD I’d love that gag too
Pikachu looks high...That smile 😁
He’s so like me! (Jk)
Rumors here in Spain say that there has once again been a change in the producer for the fourth season and also in the direction of the season. Returning to the vibes of the first and second seasons and without a clear winner for the final.
That producer needs to let onyx come back I don’t get how they eliminate her so fast when she’s MILES more talented
The whole season to me was “oh we need a canary queen to win”
Nah
She did the best tho expect one challenge…
@@Daniel-qj5jm didn’t say otherwise only said what I thought about the whole season
Totally. She was chosen to win from the very beginning.
@@C_Clapthats production value from the very beggining like with Sonique...
My opinion that nobody asked but still i'm going to talk about this season:
Positive things:
- the cast
- challenges performance ( rarely some performances like sagittaria's snatch game were bad)
- Samantha & Juriji rudemption
- Sethlas dominating the season , even though ( this will be also in my negative things )
- Pupi finally won a snatch game
- for the most part it was an entertaining season.
- the runways ate down.
Negative things:
- the pakita's mistreatment
( I mean she could ve top 2 in the talent show, high for the snatch game and wasn't bad to be bottom 2 in the ball)
- Sethlas favoritism in some ways
( Like honestly she shouldn't have win the ball, but if we were fair , she should have been top 2 in the girl groups)
- Samantha some favouritism
( Love her , happy that finally she get some recognition, but she shouldn't be high in the snatch game and top 2 in the girl groups)
- Sagittaria some mistreatment
( Like i get it , she should have been in the top 2 in the ball , but it was fair that she should have been in the bottom 2 for girl groups)
Conclusion:
I really like this season for the most part , better than españa 3 , but not better than españa 1 and 2 , i was sad that juriji didn't make it to the top 2 for the crown , but anyways congratulations to sethlas she deserves it. It was a nice try for españa to redeem herselfs for the last season, but i hope españa 4 would be better than this.
i've said the same thing to my boyfriend at the time. much like pitita, sethlas was dominating the game there was no need to push them because they're probably gonna get to the finale with a great track record anyways. sethlas could've been either high or low for the ball and the final product would still be the same. IF sagi had a top 2 that day maybe she wouldn't flip on production like she did.
Rightfully so, I haven’t watched the season but I just looked over the looks, it’s very clear to me that Juriji and Sagittaria were the top two, I can see clearly how well constructed Sagi's gown was compared to others, and Juriji had the best concept. Sethlas's look should honestly be low.
16:58 not JackFed catching strays
NEVERRRR
I'm glad you brought up the story arc of Sagittaria. Sethlas, Pupi and Samantha dogpiling her for no reason soured me on the season more than the Sethlas favoritism tbh. Seasons 1-2 of España also had winners who bulldozed the competition but production still allowed all the other queens to shine in their own way. On the other hand, Season 3 and All Stars sacrificed and pushed aside all the other queens in order to prop up the winner that would have bulldozed the competition anyway.
I don't think S3 sacrificed and pushed aside queens to prop up Pitita though; it did it to save Vania.
also it wasn't just ep3 that annoyed me, in the next ep, it was the "the far can we break Sagittaria" game, and also for the other 2 eps, they were all still talking shit ab her even after she left. they literally had nothing narratively to add after their martyr left, so they kept bringing her up.
3 things in my opinion that hurt this season:
1. Biased judging: it's very evident in the ball challenge with all the drama, but overlooking Pakita in the first 2 episodes was sad for me. The biggest problem with the production was that it was so obvious that Sethlas was their choice to win.
2. The mistreatment of Sagittaria: completely agree with you! They tried to push the narrative that Sagi is stupid and just because of that her opinions and feelings were not valid.
3. Sethlas twitter reaction: it added even more to the fuel that Sethlas wrote on Twitter "la envidia tiene nombre" which means the envy (or the jealousy depending on the context) has a name. This continues the narrative that Sagi can't have an opinion on the production (even Sagi told her respectfully "I don't agree with how this episode was judged"), because it wasn't personal, she was calling out the production. Even Sethlas had to deactivate her Twitter because fans called her out about her behavior and Drag Vulcano (Sethlas friend) was super aggressive towards Sagi and her fans, I understand she wanted to defend her friend but it was really chaotic to say the least.
Anyway, I enjoyed the season and I think there were some highlights and the majority of the queens ended the season winning something:
Juriji: cementing herself as the fan favorite, winning challenges and most importantly being herself in the werkroom and the confessionals. Her life journey is amazing and it's really good to see her fully realized self.
Pupi: finally winning a snatch game! It was the best feeling.
Pakita: the "robbed" queen. Sometimes losing is the new winning and it resonates with the fans.
Sagi: i think the drama fueled her fan favorite status. She was THE meme queen of the season intentionally or not. And how she handled everything was really good to see.
Samantha: what a glow up! She managed to adapt her persona and drag to Drag Race (something really hard for some drag legends who flop in the show), she was funny, she was lovely, had great runways and it felt really good to see.
I love Hornella and Onyx but this wasn't their time. Onyx is THE alternative look queen of the Spain franchise, but her persona is not for a format like drag race. And Hornella is underrated, I need her on a Vs the world where she can receive her flowers.
I would love to see Hornella in a vs the world season (not sure if she speaks English but anyways would love to see her). She was my favourite and even though I don't think she should've won any challenge that she didn't win instead of someone else, I'm still sad we didn't get to see "more of her" since the storyline did not revolve or involve her much
They wanted a winner Canarias to compete against a versus between Queens...
Even though it can be debatable, I think that ep 3 was absolutely deserved. That third look might not have been the best made, but I think the way she styled and portrayed the theme really sold it. And her second look may be one of the top 10/20 best looks of all time!
¡Excelente análisis! Kids, this is what media literacy looks like!
P.S. The concept of "fair use" does NOT exist under Spanish law.
22:53 "Martirizadas", which basically means martyred.
This season challenges and cast was amazing. But the season was bad the first two episodes was excellent. But after ep 3 where sethlas get that win she does not deserve. It just feels like what's the point we all know sethlas is going to win.
In my opinion they wanted to crown a Canarian winner at all costs, but not necessarily on a main season, so All Stars was the perfect opportunity to do it. Canarian drag is a weird paradox here in Spain, on the one hand the Canary Islands is like synonymous with drag, the drag galas during carnival are hugely popular and are even shown on national tv, but on the other hand there is this idea, particularly on mainland Spain, that the quality of the drag is a bit naff and samey (the platform shoes, no wigs, body suits, feathers). And I think the show in all three regular seasons before All Stars leaned into both these aspects, the judges would talk about their respect for traditional Canarian drag and how it has paved the way etc, but then they would bemoan how the looks are all too samey or that they didn't take care of the details (they were particularly harsh on Drag Vulcano and Drag Chuchi). So the general perception was starting to become one that the judges/show were being disingenuous, and that they did not truly appreciate Canary drag as much as they were saying. So along comes All Stars, they invite Sethlas back, who is arguably the more "polished" and versatile Canarian queen of the franchise, and this was the shows chance to put things right. A thing you mentioned a few times was that Sethlas was a fan favourite from her season, from personal experience I wouldn't really say that was the case. Jurijee was thee stand out fan favourite from season 2, meanwhile Sethlas was seen as bit too serious and annoying (or at least amongst my friendship groups). Like you said, she definitely could have won the season without the help of production and people would have been like "OK fair play, she deserved it" but the blatant favouritism has left yet another black mark on the franchise.
They tried to screw Sagittaria but they only screwed themselves more. Imagine if they put Sethlas low (or even bottom) at the ball. This season really can be a fine example of a butterfly effect.
The way the judges and other queens treated Sagittaria was pretty disgusting. Espana was my favorite franchise outside of the US. Not anymore. They burned the whole thing to the ground for me.
You should watch Thailand, it’s so much better
That singular undeserved win and using Sagi as a tool to further justify their decisions didn’t make the watching experience very delightful (I might as well add the mistreatment of Pakita). The cast was good, the runways were excellent and Sethlas is a deserving winner, but I wasn’t particularly very invested. I hope ES gets back to form, there’s so much potential, but production needs to figure it out.
All of that to say 🤭 I really enjoyed this video! You perfectly captured what I felt about the season. I am always fascinated by the way you structure your scripts and masterfully tune them. Keep it up!
I’M SO GLAD YOU ENJOYED MY VIDEO - the scriptwriting process was definitely a…well, process!
I also love Sethlas as a winner and think her reign could’ve been GLORIOUS if the producers didn’t drop the ball :/ (literally)
The way my heart gets excited to see a Belakboy video 🥰🥰 I was also hoping that this season would redeem the faults of season 3, but the judging soured my desire for a revival of España being the international franchise leader.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Belgium 2. Something's just not quite hitting. The first season was pretty lacklustre but season 2 was even worse :/ it's like they all turn up, do the done thing, then go back to the hotel! :/ No drama, no storylines, no fights and seriously questionable judging 😅
Thanks Belaaak! This video hits all the important points and so eloquently on top of all that! The mistreatment of Sagittaria is so clear to me that it almost invalidates Sethlas winning the crown
This video is perfect. I’m in Spain and the way you captured the audience’s reaction is amazing ❤
I agree with your analysis of the damage control of Sagittaria calling out production. What’s funny is that that sequence could simply not have made the final edit. That’s what the RPDR productions commonly do. In AS8, a lot of queens apparently called out riggory on camera and yet the final edit merely suggested Heidi disagreed with the judging to explain why she left the competition.
The fact they included it in the final edit makes me think production wasn’t confident in post prod they’d manage to convince the audience with the rush they had, so they kept the Sagittaria sequence to preemptively create a delulu edit and convey it would be stupid to believe the game is rigged.
For me, as a spaniard quite vinculated to spanish drag scene, the problem is one (and a huge one): Drag Race España is completly disconected from spanish drag scene and it own audience.
They did quite good in S1 and S2 because of the spontaneity of those casts, the contest let them be free and their personalities and their work where the spot of the season. But after those seasons they have tried to be something more like an american reality I guess, with more drama and looking for the reactions from the audience on social media, but they don't know how to mange it correctly, they don't understand that people don't expect the same from USA than from Spain.
But it's just an opinion. I guess they are getting what they want because it seems this is going to be the way the show will drive its narrative from now, as far I know.
Honestlt if instead of Win Win Win High Win , her track record was Win Win High Win Win , nobody would be saying nothing
She slayed because this format is for production value
i FULLY agree with u
Also despite Sethlas being portrayed as the moral winner of the fight against Sagittaria she kept bringing her up all season long even after she was long gone. The edit they gave Sethlas was too positive so it basically made her look like a bully who punches down and gets protected by the teacher. Compare this to Plane Jane in s16 who "won" the fight against amanda and did bring her up later on (although not as much) but seing as she was potrayed as an antihero/villain no one really cared as much. They should've either made sethlas an antihero or just not include the moments of her being bitter.
Why are you waving the microphone around when it has a stand? 😂
This review is so on point. Thank you
Samantha Ballentines carried the whole season for me, probably best rudemption we've seen of a queen on drag race. But that Sethlas vs Sagi fight certainly left a bad taste in my mouth and that's why DREAS is not on the same level as the first two seasons.
Samantha was everyyyyything this season!!
My other problem with DREAS was the roast, they excuse to give sethlas the win was “you mentioned Canarias congrats”
I loved the 3rd look from sethlass on the ball. I feel it's inspired by a magic the gathering card that also is a good portrait of envy: "Eriette of the charmed apple" who is based on the witch of the snow white
It's sad to see one of the international franchises with the most potential get ruined by production's narrow view of what the show should be. The fact that they haven't allowed later seasons to run organically, giving room to unpredictable moments, just shows that they don't know the audience at all. Casting is done so well every year, they seriously need to let the queens talent be the show.
What baffles me is that sagittaria was suuuch a fan favorite after s1 I feel
she was literally my fave going into all stars and i thought the same, or that at least most fans enjoyed her. i was shocked about the edit tbh
@@rebelkallus same 100%
Really good analysis.
Sagitaria edits remind me of the Salina Estities edit during reunion and the final to discredit her totally since her tantrum with Ross Matthews when she was eliminated.
I'm pretty sure they portrayed her has an angry-bitter queen with the "Ok white girl" or her "Rolling eyes" during Kornbread song just to punish her in some kind of way to punish her for insulting a judge.
Baby I Stan ESTITTIES right with u! The judges ‘we don’t get ur drag’ bullshyt if the queens gotta learn references from the 60s to 80s for rupaul the judges can educate themselves in Latino west coast culture! And that design challenge made me almost break my tv! Salina should’ve WON with the back pack thing it was clean!
I’ve been waiting for this!
Wow!!! You read my mind!
To me what made the season bad was the judging. Sethlas did do well in the season but after win in the ball I noticed that they were gonna crown her. It felt like they gave her a free pass to win the season no matter how bad she would perform. Like in the final episode she didn’t win neither of her lip syncs yet they wanted her to win. I think that’s why her win doesn’t feel justified because in the very two episodes she did falter production just saved her or straight up rewarded her.
I didn't finish watching the season after I turned if off when Supreme told Sagi she can't quit. It went downhill so quickly and so hard.
ok this will be a long one so first of all, love your channel and content
Interesting fact: yet again, a Canary Island queen wins the Talent Show challenge in a different franchise - Perseo in EP 2 of France S3 😊🇮🇨
But she ends up receiving similar critiques as in Spain counterpart regarding lack of versatility in looks getting the chop in EP 6
What an amazing cast! The season was…very interesting but I enjoyed it overall. Not sure it was the besssst for the franchise in some ways.
Sometimes I feel that Drag Race producers (from all franchises) mostly treat their audience as being dumb. I mean, it's a dumb show, but the audience AND THE QUEENS aren't, give a little respect!
I hate what they did to Sagittaria. I love her so much. Need her for a vs the world. Fck production lol
Maria Edilia should've won season 3 and All Stars.
And All Winners 2
Sagittaria could’ve been Patrick from SpongeBob level slow we ALL saw Sethlas glued glass whack corset!
Your closing statement about how episode 3 messed up the season for so many fans really speaks more on how short sighted and ridiculous the fan base can be than anything else.
This season was packed full of talented queens that brought entertainment, fashion, humour.. the lot. And yet that can be largely disregarded and forgotten because some people are salty about the judges choices on one episode…
And because a noisy vocal “majority” run their mouths on Twitter suddenly that’s the perspective of all the fans and the legacy for the season?
Thats honestly so nutty. Also you talk about things like a group consensus of % values for runways on balls.. thankfully you admit that that isn’t official from the show because clearly it’s not and their isn’t consistent evidence to support it.
The only thing consistent about DR is that it’s inconsistent. S16 Plane Jane won the makeover challenge with a “twin” look and we have seen it before when the judges and production will pick and choose when that is a good or a bad thing.
It’s a tv show with a lot of bullsh1t and yet these nutty fans take a bunch of hate to the queens for things that are often not in their control or even remotely “their fault”.
It just sucks. “Support your local drag” comes to mind. How this season can be considered to you as a second strike against expana over one episode is wild.
Last comment one my fav running gags was everyone clothes and wigs falling off every lipsync I call it the SAMANTHA BALLENTINES I wanted Samantha to do it ONE time on all stars SO BAD 😭😭😭
It’s especially disappointing seeing the parallel with Samantha coming back and really showing why All Stars was created, just for it to be invalidated because the cards were stacked against her (which is wild considering she’s also a production fav and a close friend of Supremme). Had it honestly been fair, Sethlas and Samantha would have been more on par with each other and Hornella wouldn’t have got carried as far as she did, giving her an overall disappointing showing on her return. Juriji despite winning two challenges was virtually invisible in the edit until the finale. The edit was the nail in the coffin bc even that was stacked in Sethlas’ favor. No shade to her but every challenge (except snatch game) was something to make Sethlas look better than everyone else.
I totally agree with you except for the part that Sethlas deserved the top at the roast. Good look and good roast but nothing beyond that.
And… you are right most of the Spanish DR fandom dislikes now Sethlas not only for her favouritism but also because of her attitude towards Sagi
And commenting again STOP PLAYING WITH ONYX UNLESHED!!! Ugh I never wanted to break my tv how they play with her I hope she goes on dragula or vs the world where she will SLAY IT
When i saw sagittaria saying those things i knew she clocked production nut i dont think she was the one to win tho, because the second sethlas look on the ball was so good she deserved the high placement but not the top 2 like you said and instead pakita should have been saved bcs i loved the 3 looks and the judges and production just rigged the critiques for the 3rd look.
First time I don’t agree with you at all. Sagittaria was a big big baby.
I must be in a very happy state of mind, I liked the whole season and thought the winner wine fair and square 😅
The way I'm so attracted to this man 😍😍
Sethlas and Samantha dominated the whole season. People focusing on one episode to discredit their whole achievement are just delusional. Sagittaria would never win this pageant
This season made me love Sethlas less because she was a clear front runner and if in untucked vs bullying sagataria for her opinion and saying it’s the conception that won and was humble id love her more. Like girl that nipples out glass corset was NOT a good third outfit! Some self awareness there and humility would’ve made her look good. When u clearly are the favorite and acting entitled behind the scenes it’s not a good luck.
I must say the one queen to come out basically the winner of españa all stars is Samantha she is the only one to truly come out with nothing but fan support and new success
The way Espania keeps PLAYING in Onyx face PISSED ME OFF and they hold their head so high it’s INSANE ! I never been so pissed I assumed in all stars they were gonna right their wrongs but no let’s phuck over one the most talented in make up looks creating and personality queens of all time. My god
I had such a completely different issue than most with that season. I understood why Sethlas had to be high about the ball; what happened to her after her performance at Carnival of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria and how she was targeted gives her political importance in the context of queer Spain well beyond Drag Race so when she highlights that moment with an exceptional look, possibly the best of the night, it has to be showcased. I do think she should have been just high. But I just did not see Sagi's point of view there. Yes, Sagi had the better constructed look but she completely failed in the runway presentation of Lust. Sethlas' look was basic but it was very effective, Sagi gave a completely covered up look for Lust and embarassingly trying to use a whip so softly I could hear Alexis Michelle scream "harder". I've always felt that runway prompts should matter way more than they do and if you fail to meet the prompt, it doesn't matter if your look make my jaw drop, you shouldn't be winning.
My issue was Pakita. Her final look was absolutely gorgeous, it was also a political statement in its own right. The look itself depicted Wrath mainly through reference (which is what Art often does) and her runway presentation was exceptional and theatrical. Like Sethlas, it was performance art only she actually had a complex look on the runway as well. And from the edit we saw, Samantha should have been safe on Snatch Game with Pakita on the third high spot (though not top)
So it's not just about whether Sethlas was favored. The entire elimination Order felt predetermined. They wanted to keep Hornella so they kept her from being low in this challenge although she was nearly as bad as Pupi.
And after that I felt the fandom just went crazy with discrediting Sethlas every time she so much as breathed on set. It's just sad that they did not just keep Sethlas high for that challenge and if they wanted to give her a fourth win, she could have easily won the girl group challenge over either Samantha or Sethlas; they were all so evenly matched imo.
I utterly agree
I agree completely that Sethlas' win was unjustified and completely wrong. However, acting like this is the "second strike" for España that tarnished the entire season in an otherwise really great show is, honestly, pretty insincere to me.
I think people hold España in super high regards thanks to the first two seasons, but as we are seeing this is also the reason people have a huge magnifying glass on the season and blow everything out of proportion. This isn't the first nor the last time Drag Race has made baffling decisions. And I'm not talking easy targets the likes of Down Under 1, Holland 2, US 13, UK 3 or Italia 1, I'm talking about seasons that are generally well received or middle of the road. Jorgeus' ball win in US 14, Dakota's bottom placement in UK 4, Pearl winning over Trixie on the lipsync in season 7, Jinkx winning the lipsync over Monet in AS7, several makeover challenges like Yvonne winning in Germany... Most of us (not everyone, it's subjective) as viewers see these as bad decisions. However, they are still well liked seasons that weren't completely ruined by it.
España All Stars checked on almost every aspect. The comedy challenges landed even for international viewers, the fashion was top tier, the talent show was spectacular and, despite what transpired in and out of the show, seeing the Sagi/Sethlas drama was pretty entertaining. The only crimes this season committed were messing up the positions in the Ball episode (I don't think Pakita should have been in the bottom) and mistreating Sagi in the edit. That's it. Most of everything else was some of the best drag from last year! If this is really all that needs to happen in a season to have a distaste for it, no season of Drag Race gets spared, or very few. Non-english seasons really don't need to be easily discarded in this way.
Comparing this to España 3 which was riddled with problems is just... Just no, honey. And I say this as someone that wanted Samantha to win. But I just can't be mad at Sethlas winning since she killed every other episode. Like, there's a universe where she was in the top in the girl group episode and that would have been justified as well.
TL;DR: Yes, episode 3 was poorly judged. But singling out this one decision and saying this is the second strike towards an amazing franchise and implying that another bad decision might be the final nail in the coffin is just wrong. If this were the case, Down Under should be in the gutter by now. And, well, it isn't. (Holland is a different can of worms).
OMG this. All this.
THIS!!!! and for what its worth Id like to see another Holland season anyway at some point, because I enjoy the queens that came out of it and was exiced to see them on UKvtw. Its sad that international seasons get written off entirely to the point most the dr fans will never watch it.
Absolutely agreed. I mean by this logic of one bad decision and editing choice is a strike . . . Drag Race should never have made it to season 4. People are way more harsh with the non- English speaking seasons which already get so much less viewership.
Thanks for the video! I haven't watched the season, I stopped mid S3 and never came back, so I was hesitant, but as far as I've seen, a lot of people are attacking the Javis, for their comments and judging, Ana is regarded pretry well and Supremme has mixed feelings. I hope Sethlas is not treated harshly, she's amazing, definitely deserving of the crown, but the production really gutted her run, and the show with S3's mistakes. Hopefully S4 is a good one
Mama kudos for saying that, for spilling
I've never liked their judging. 1st season Puppy was over rated, 2nd season Sharone too. And poor Pakita was under appreciated both times smh. First I thought maybe is cuz I dont get the references but no. They laugh at anything if they like you and if Ana does like your look, you are done. Much preferred France tbh.
So France 1 had good judging? I know S2 was an exceptional season but are we forgetting how they treated Lolita Banana in S1? Where is their strike?
@@c.k.8585 Lolita was mainly mistreated by the other queens. She was under appreciated by the judges but not on the spain level
It was certainly a better season than season 3, but still not a great season
Imo Sethlas could've been in the bottom for the roast, she totally ignored the hair salon theme
Such a shame because Sethlass could’ve won without the riggory
15:07 I was where’s my baby girl sagi mention ??!!
To me episode 4 was worse. They just keeeept insulting Sagittaria, it was actually hard to watch (and thats when I dropped the season)
As usual, Belak Boy says exactly what im thinking! Never stop speaking on it!
I cannot forgive the erasure of Pakita and the gaslighting of Sagittaria
Drag race España and the number 3 don’t mix 💀
Drag race España 3
Episode 3 of DREAS
This season was bitter-sweet indeed
I loved the cast and I really hoped the season had stepped away from the derailment of S3.
But the storytelling and production was AWFUL. I was really hyped Sethlas was there and we can't deny she DEMOLISHED her run. She could have easily won 3 challenges in all fairness and leaving the ball with a Top Top placement. But you can see she was really pushed the last 2 episodes bcs her roast wasn't that funny and Hornella surprisingly beat her :0 but it was obvious the outcome at the end.
I still love the queens, Sagittaria has rised a super lovely queen to me and if she said she and Sethlas had settled everything up for the tour I'm ok with it bcs the queens were kinda pushed by production to be liked that in such stressful environment in the set 😢
worst is they say season 5 is exactly the same
I'mma be real, it was a good, enjoyable season and it wasn't that rigged.
The ball has a concept to embody, Sethlas had two of the best looks of the night, and one of a few looks that actually embodied their sin. In a lineup I can tell that's pride. Wtf is Sagittaria's? Lust is the easiest sin to represent and she made a nice red dress. (That didn't hit the floor) I'm pretty sure she was even coached into making it sexier by Anna Locking and didn't.
Most of the criticism was about how you embodied the assigned sin, and it was like that to everyone meaning it was fair. It being different than what the audience expects doesn't make it rigged.
And then Sethlas should've won the girl group too.
So you’re saying drag sethlas look they made, embodied her sin? Really? 🤦🏻♂️
@@petelouis1110 it was pride, she showed skin, was tall and had mirror pieces everywhere. Very clearly it did. And it's actually one of the hardest sins to showcase in a look as it's more conceptual. Somehow Sagi got the most literal and easy to do amd still didn't hit it on the head. If the dress she made had an ass out moment like detox she would've won that, hands down.
@@joaogouveia2224 nah, it was heavily rigged. I did not get “pride” from her look, just some unfinished corset 🤦🏻♂️🫠 ideally the same as pupis look just different stuff glued to it 😂
Pupi won snatch game and drag syphilis was in the top two
NOT SYPHILIS
22:52 The word is "martirizadas" (mar.ti.ri.za.das), martyrs in English.
I know the video is more about the cataclysmic downfall of DRES from the grace of the public and the storylines pushed in AS but I would've liked to hear your opinions on MADRE SAMANTHA BALLENTINES, SIEMPRE SERÁS FAMOSA!🥺🦋
I think is the judging in the sense that how they praised Sethlas was just different from the other queens it felt like they just wanted Sethlas and eveyone else felt overlooked, maybe not Samantha that was clearly the other favourite.
Maybe give them some acting classes so it's not that obvious.
And dont get ne wrong Sethlas is the clear winner of the season.
I still think that s3 is hated too much. I think it has so many fun moments, great fashion and best lipsyncs on España yet. Personally, I liked Pitita, I think she deserved to win. Yes, the judging could have been different but I don’t think that the ending would be different.
Same with AS. I think that Sethlas deserved all her wins in the season and clearly deserved her crown. I don’t even think that Sethlas winning ball is that crazy. Her hell look is amazing!
Basically, I feel like people didn’t like the winners of s3 and AS and that makes them hate on seasons that honestly aren’t that bad.
Pakita was robbed once again🥲
You said it perfectly. I stopped watching after episode 3
I stopped watching after episode 4 as the treatment of Sagittaria on the episode was so horrendous. Literally just felt like production trying to assassinate her character for a whole hour!
Maybe an unpopular opinion but her bottom 2 placement on that episode was fair and square
@@marioalbertomurillo3426they didnt say anything ab the placement, its the edit
I love sethlas but winning the ball was criminal. Sagitaria was so mistreated. Anyway, I actually loved the season because they all did sooooo well.
Espana All Stars was messy for so many reasons
1. Heavy Pakita and Sagittaria mistreatment
2. Samantha favouritism
3. They did 9 queens and a top 4, for me that doesn’t work
not little javier lmao
Forced wins by production mess up a season just have Sethlas lose the design episode. Boom just like all stars 8 y’all want Jimbo to win cool cast mainly FIERCE queens like Jimbo that also got 3 left feet like Jimbo so it’s not so forced why she never lip syncing or falling to the bottom. That’s all u gotta do cuz it’s plenty fierce bytches with 2 left feet to choose from!
I was on board watching eps 1 and 2 but 3 I could hardly go through. Seeing a queen get so much hate for being RIGHT was such a hard watch. I gave a chance to ep4 expecting a redemption but it was the ultimate let down. I'm not sure I'd watch another season...
I didn't like some of Sethlas' looks, but they deserved to win the Season. This whole video, and some of the comments, are sour grapes.
I would LOVE Pakita on France vs the World but can she speak french ?
McDonals!!!?? okay suureee... but no jk, but fr
I don't think Sagittaria is dumb at all, she is just immature. She conducted herself unprofessionally with absolutely no regards for anyone but herself.
How? By having feelings that everyone bullied her for?
I don't think this is a tin foil hat crazy theory at all, like for me it makes perfect sense haha and also this was a really enjoyable season with all this drama and talent, the worst part was the ongoing hate towards Sagitaria knowing she was right (and also Sethlas shouldn't have won the roast at all, love her but she couldn't even speak fluently)
McDonald's theme lmaoooo
honestly?... work.
I hate to disagree because I love that you cover the international seasons but I was excited for this season before, during and after. I still recommend Espana to everyone. I think you are pushing a negative opinion on purpose. Yes, Pakita was amazing. Sagitteria deserved everything she got and she didn't really deserve to be there anyway. I loved Samantha's improvement. Of course, Sethlas got some favorable edits and treatment but that doesn't diminish my loyalty to the show. It is much more watchable than many other franchises - Sweden, Canada, Belgium, Holland, etc.
No cuz like, Sagittaria acted like a crybaby for not getting favoured and everyone acted like she was in the right? And then saying Sethlas deserved to be in the bottom when Samantha's mess of a dress was right there
I mean, really??
Well, maybe I was so biased towards Sethlas that I didn't see the riggory set up for her to win. However, I felt that on Samantha, like they pushed so hard in order to restore her reputation and put her on the place they originally planned on Season 2. Seriously, it felt so forced how production did everything to make Ms Ballentine happen, at all costs.
Whatever!!! 🙄💁♀️🤷♀️
PS: Hahaha, "Little Javier", I cackled!!! 😂😂😂
This was such a weird season, amazing queens, runways, personalities, challenges. But the editing of what they tried to make us believe Sagittaria did was really weird, the fact that the lipsyncs were horrible, Samatha and Hornella did good solo performances, but the rest was a disaster. Honestly I would love the season and Sethlas as a winner if that edit and attitude was better.
Episode 1 and 2 were great, I would only disagree with some high or low placements and with the decision of Sethlas winning the first lipsync, other than that, AMAZING episodes