You Won't Believe What We Found in These Old History Textbooks

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    0:00 Introduction
    4:13 Five Historical events we'll look at
    6:59 Modern textbooks
    13:48 Let's meet the cast!
    15:17 Old textbooks
    16:02 The War of 1812
    26:13 Causes of the Civil War
    34:03 The presidency of Ulysses Grant
    36:20 The Philippine-American War
    41:43 The Gulf of Tonkin Incident
    44:15 Why textbooks are overrated

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  • @iammrbeat
    @iammrbeat  2 года назад +466

    The five events we focused will all be future videos on this channel, but which one should I make first?
    1. The War of 1812
    2. The main causes of the American Civil War
    3. The presidency of Ulysses Grant (actually I'll probably look at his whole life)
    4. The Philippine-American War
    5. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident
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  • @jeanhartely
    @jeanhartely 2 года назад +1861

    When I was a kid in the '60's, our history textbook talked about Andrew Jackson. It said that the Indians were "behaving badly," and that Jackson "punished the Indians." I read it to my father and he was furious.

    • @Madronaxyz
      @Madronaxyz 2 года назад +226

      I was a kid in the 1960's also. Unfortunately I was in Texas. My high school government teacher only had one outside person come and talk to us. The speaker was a representative of the John Birch society. Unfortunately for the man from the John Birch society, my high school was in a suburb of Dallas and 70% of the students went on to college. About half of my class was from either California or the East Coast because their fathers had come to the Dallas area to work in computer companies. I was from a small town in Texas originally and also rather tongue tied so I did not participate in questioning the man from the john birth society. However my classmates tied him in knots with questions that made obvious propaganda that he was spewing.
      My AP government teacher was the wife of one of the football coaches. I guess that is how she got her job because she wasn't able to teach and didn't seem to know that much about government. For example on one essay exam, several students decided to just write as long as they as possibly could and see how the teacher braided the extra long essays.
      What she did was give one point for each sentence. Some students receive scores of over 200 because they wrote very long essays. I bet she hated us.
      On the other hand, my APUSH teacher was the head football coach. My high school had a really lousy football team and I don't remember it ever being winning. The history teacher wasn't able to make the team win either so he left after 2 years. This is one unfortunate because he was one of the best teachers ever had my entire educational career which extended into a doctoral degree.
      We studied American history by reading original documents and drawing conclusions from them and then comparing that to what the historians add written. That course really taught me how to think it came in very handy as I became a physician was often confronted with people with medical illnesses that required a lot of investigation to figure out what was wrong. I'm almost 70 and I unfortunately can't remember his name, but he had a positive impact on my life and the lives of my patients.

    • @jeanhartely
      @jeanhartely 2 года назад +87

      @@Madronaxyz Thank you for this very interesting story. What a shame that the football team was more important to the school than a critical review of history. You know what they say, those who fail to learn history are condemned to repeat it.

    • @mike04574
      @mike04574 2 года назад +34

      your father was different

    • @jeanhartely
      @jeanhartely 2 года назад +39

      @@mike04574 He sure was. I was lucky to have him!

    • @Danielson1818
      @Danielson1818 2 года назад

      Well, there you have it folks. The Indians were behaving badly, and had to be punished. I almost want to laugh, but this is the sh!t people were teaching. There is other people of your generation who soaked in that explanation.

  • @snekula5353
    @snekula5353 2 года назад +487

    As a Filipino, I have always been surprised by how most Americans I meet online don't even know that the Philippines was an American territory for 48 years.

    • @stevemccarty6384
      @stevemccarty6384 Год назад +50

      One can hardly underestimate how little Americans know about their/our history!

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Год назад +49

      US schools do a poor job of teaching history and geography. Many history teachers in public schools seem to be phys ed majors. They also shun controversial topics. Even when they record them, they still present whatever version of the story they select as the One True Narrative and never offer any hints of debates among historians.

    • @franciscoalpizar8011
      @franciscoalpizar8011 Год назад +18

      I learned more about the Spanish-American war in Spanish 5 than in US history. I did not know about the Philippine-American war until today.

    • @toddstroger9505
      @toddstroger9505 Год назад +14

      Americans are not taught much of America's history.

    • @travis7davidson
      @travis7davidson Год назад +9

      Most Americans don't know that West Virginia is a state. They think it's just the west part of Virginia. Probably less than 10% know anything about the Philippines and couldn't locate it on a globe. Even less people would know the Philippines were ever part of the U.S.A.

  • @misscuttlefish
    @misscuttlefish 2 года назад +263

    My mom helped my elementary school's librarian clean out old books and take them out of circulation. She kept one book cause it was published the year she was born (late 1950's), was about space, and had a sentence along the lines of "when we eventually have a man visit the moon..."
    This book was still in the library in the mid 1990's 😅

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 2 года назад +16

      Even Jules Verne mentioned reaching the moon as a possibility, but it seems it wasn't until the 50's when it was thought to be inevitable.

    • @adityasanthanam1945
      @adityasanthanam1945 Год назад +3

      I also have a book like that. It is a British history book from the 1950s. I got in 2018 from a library that was getting rid of its older books. It also discusses if man will reach the moon and also showed the Comet airplane as the latest innovation in aviation, with jet engines starting to appear in more planes.

    • @Balon-Breakspear
      @Balon-Breakspear Год назад +10

      Just because a book is old or outdated that doesn’t mean it should be removed from the library. I used to have old history books, with one being written the year of MLK’s March on Washington and it described the black people as “negros”. The point is those books are essential to figuring out the majority perspective at the time of the book. At least it’s good at what the author thought about issues they could editorialize on.

    • @adityasanthanam1945
      @adityasanthanam1945 Год назад +4

      @Robert Scannell I agree. Such books are fascinating to see and should be kept as reminders of how people viewed things during those times. The history books themselves have now become a part of history.

    • @AnyahEMB
      @AnyahEMB Год назад +8

      @@Balon-Breakspear School and public libraries have finite space to store books. Students need access to current and accurate information. Holding on to older, outdated books does not serve their mission. These books may be preserved in a research library or other facility for the historical perspective these books offer.

  • @michaelgreaves2375
    @michaelgreaves2375 2 года назад +408

    I distinctly remember my honors history teacher emphatically stating that the Civil War was not about slavery but for State's Rights! I didn't have the knowledge or the resources to correct her. These days, students point out that the constitutions of the confederate states make no equivocation about it. Certain school boards don't like it! The kids these days have the internet. GOD, I wish we had that in the 70's and 80's.

    • @They0ungTravler
      @They0ungTravler 2 года назад +83

      I mean…she’s not wrong…..it was for States rights…….to have slaves 😂

    • @michaelgreaves2375
      @michaelgreaves2375 2 года назад +28

      @@They0ungTravler That was the very phrase that echoed in my mind at the time!

    • @quiricomazarin476
      @quiricomazarin476 2 года назад

      So all of the union states had abolished slavery by the Civil War?

    • @They0ungTravler
      @They0ungTravler 2 года назад +8

      @@michaelgreaves2375 no, actually 4 states were still slave states. These are referred to as the Border States. Maryland, Kentucky, Delaware and Missouri.
      This also means the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t free the slaves in those 4 states since it clearly stated that it only took effect in rebelling states. Aka, the entire confederacy.

    • @They0ungTravler
      @They0ungTravler 2 года назад +3

      Oops, I replied to someone else but I guess it went to you lol

  • @DiamondKingStudios
    @DiamondKingStudios 2 года назад +977

    1825 textbook:
    "We got our independence, fought a war recently... not much else to say. Time to talk about English history for the next however long pages, since most of our target audience is probably British"

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +180

      lol

    • @lisacook8235
      @lisacook8235 2 года назад +2

      The phrase "target audience" was around in 1825? Really? The fraudulence of "history" keeps getting more transparent. But I suppose that's the point.

    • @jamesohearn2364
      @jamesohearn2364 2 года назад +38

      @@lisacook8235 my dude it's a joke. How on earth did that fly over your head?

    • @E4439Qv5
      @E4439Qv5 2 года назад +9

      @@jamesohearn2364
      "my dude"
      "Lisa"
      ...Nice. 😙

    • @jamesohearn2364
      @jamesohearn2364 2 года назад +43

      @@E4439Qv5, I’m Californian, so “dude” is extremely gender neutral, but also people like this get absolutely NUTS about trans people and pronouns, so if I’m being honest I wouldn’t have cared either way XD

  • @christophercheck1590
    @christophercheck1590 2 года назад +71

    I'm a Latin teacher who has to deal with a bevy of imperfect textbooks which are careless with history, so I feel this pain. Often I have my kids read incorrect data, and then show them sources which indicate how inaccurate our textbook is, as a sort of exercise in reminding them not to trust "authoritative" texts.
    In APUSH a decade and a half ago, I remember we used the previous edition of American Pageant. It was not great, and our teacher, thankfully, supplemented the hell out of it with other resources.

    • @GuapoJhimi
      @GuapoJhimi Год назад

      Yeah, I had a "world history" "professor" in college who didn't know Gen. Tojo from Adm. Togo. And another who was confused about "< and >", and called them wrong and when corrected by THE ENTIRE CLASS told us she "didn't care" and we were to use them the way SHE said. In effect: backwards. Makes math, prob & stats, organic chem just a little difficult. It ain't always the books.

    • @dinkster1729
      @dinkster1729 Год назад

      @@GuapoJhimi I've had 2 Canadian history profs in Ontario tell me that they didn't know much about Newfoundland and Labrador history. They had no trouble admitting that. And they are educating the next generation of Canadian history students and teachers! Huge gap!

    • @AnyahEMB
      @AnyahEMB Год назад

      By doing that, you are teaching your students to be critical thinkers . . . 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @PkmnMasterNeb
    @PkmnMasterNeb 2 года назад +169

    As someone going into the history teaching profession, I really want to try looking at different textbooks, new and old with my students. Seems really educationally enriching for students.

    • @diohyuga6737
      @diohyuga6737 2 года назад +4

      I'm going to be a social studies teacher with government teaching and I don't really rely on textbooks. I would find books that has up to date historians and gives students reasons to think about.

    • @glenparker234
      @glenparker234 2 года назад +11

      I have long recommended using newspapers as teaching aids. A big city newspaper will cover a wide variety of subjects from current events to ancient history, social events, economics, science, marketing, etc. With very little effort, most teachers can find a wealth of information and topics is each issue. Language teachers can find typos and bad sentence structure to illustrate proper writing skills. The possibilities are endless, and the cost is minimal. Besides, it would help save the failing newspaper publishing business if all the schools started subscribing to multiple newspapers. Maybe it would force the newspapers to be more accurate and less propaganda. In the old days, many newspapers used to also publish fiction. That’s how Charles Dickens got his start, stories in serial form in the weekly newspaper. Today, too much emphasis is placed on that glowing screen which needs to be recharged, and people have a meltdown if the power goes off. Books and newspapers don’t suffer from that problem.

    • @cricketmusic62
      @cricketmusic62 2 года назад

      The ones promoting the radical everythings a lie that youve been told except what were telling you because would never lie to you. Oh, by the way, old biological and previous scientific facts are presently being redefined by the mentally and criminally insane. Disregard any objective truths and embrace your truth.

    • @globaladdict
      @globaladdict 2 года назад

      I hope you consider making curriculum around oversimplified for your classes :) if you've already seen it, my bad, but if I taught history, I'd show all of these to get kids initially interested ruclips.net/user/OverSimplified

    • @elizabethhh2460
      @elizabethhh2460 Год назад +3

      I did this with my history teacher. We read South Korean, North Korean, and an American textbooks' descriptions of the Korean War. It was fascinating!

  • @That_AMC_Guy
    @That_AMC_Guy 2 года назад +198

    This makes me laugh. As a high school student in the 90's in Western Canada.... we were using text books that had our parents' names in them and the books didn't know how the Vietnam War ended.

    • @stevemccarty6384
      @stevemccarty6384 Год назад +3

      We lost...

    • @ricovali9245
      @ricovali9245 Год назад

      It was never declared a "war."

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 Год назад +2

      LOL, when I first read that about your parents' names, it sounded as if many of them had been distinguished political or business leaders who rated a mention in the text!

    • @dinkster1729
      @dinkster1729 Год назад +2

      @@billolsen4360 Canadian schools are very underfunded. Here, in Ontario, I don't think we use textbooks. We just xerox pages out of other textbooks, if that.

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 Год назад

      @@dinkster1729 Wow, that's sad. Thought things were all going great economically north of the border.

  • @ahscott2001
    @ahscott2001 2 года назад +785

    It’s interesting that the “don’t mention the last 10 - 15 years” rule seems to hold true for a long time.
    1859: don’t talk about the civil war that hasn’t even started yet
    1872: we aren’t going to pass judgement on Grant because he just got elected
    Modern textbooks: stop right after 9/11

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +339

      And these days, many teachers don't get past 9/11 because there is simply not enough time to teach it all

    • @gamerinc7410
      @gamerinc7410 2 года назад +116

      @@iammrbeat yah every teacher I have only get half way threw the civil war by the time the year ends. It gets to the point that the American Revolution feels very repetitive for me because I already learned it like 5 times already.

    • @chosenonea2992
      @chosenonea2992 2 года назад +89

      ​@@iammrbeat There are teachers that get to 9/11? I wish I had one of those. It's really weird how elementary school history went up to about the civil war, and then middle school history went slightly more in depth and a little further back... then up to about the civil war... and then high school history went slightly more in depth and up to about the civil war, and then undergrad history gave me the option to start at reconstruction and I leapt on it without a single regret.

    • @spacingoutstudios382
      @spacingoutstudios382 2 года назад +31

      @@iammrbeat In my highschool our history book goes all the way up to the Trump presidency.

    • @Dragonite43
      @Dragonite43 2 года назад +5

      @@chosenonea2992 We got to 9/11 in College, but that's about it.

  • @deteon1418
    @deteon1418 2 года назад +358

    In Sweden I would estimate that around 75% of all history lessons are about the history of other parts of Europe. While this does make sense it is still somewhat weird since we most often only receive an overview of our history and certain times in Swedens history are barely covered.

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +125

      That IS weird, especially considering Texas teaches A FULL YEAR of Texas history. 😏

    • @SeasideDetective2
      @SeasideDetective2 2 года назад +24

      Well, at least there's no - or little - danger of Swedish kids coming out of classrooms all Swedo-centric, thinking, "Sweden is the greatest and the best!"

    • @Panda-ss3zh
      @Panda-ss3zh 2 года назад +21

      In Germany its kind of the same. Although a lot of history just overlaps with development inside of "Germany" so it kinda makes sense but its also a massive undertaking from ancient egypt up to modern day

    • @sheleavitt06
      @sheleavitt06 2 года назад +7

      Fourth grade is pretty common in the US for your local state history as the subject of the year and is usually students first year learning any history. K-2 is spent learning to read and 3rd grade they start reading to learn. It’s a massive shift in kids education and why many students who found school easy up to that point because they learned to read quickly start slipping. 3rd graders typically start learning social studies stuff like “what is a mayor and social services like police and fire departments” but not really any history. I loved it when we finally started learning history in school and finally had a subject that I was good at.

    • @huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehu6687
      @huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehu6687 2 года назад +5

      @@iammrbeat Georgia also teaches a full year of Georgia history in 8th grade

  • @Mandark020
    @Mandark020 2 года назад +89

    As a Greek guy I gotta say, modern US textbooks seem to be a lot more nuanced than ours are.
    When it comes for example to the various wars we've had with Turkey in the last 200 years, it's always "us good, them bad", they are always the ones doing the atrocities and we are always the victims.
    I'd go as far as to say that your history textbooks are actually not too bad :)

    • @E4439Qv5
      @E4439Qv5 2 года назад +5

      Thanks for the vote of confidence.

    • @GasPipeJimmy
      @GasPipeJimmy 2 года назад +10

      Most countries textbooks are written that way. We have academics who were trained to hate our country, much like the author of this video

    • @Mandark020
      @Mandark020 2 года назад +45

      @@GasPipeJimmy I don't think that that's fair.
      Saying that "x,y,z are wrong with the US" and hating the US are vastly different things.

    • @collinbeal
      @collinbeal 2 года назад

      To be fair, Turkey has done some pretty fucking atrocious things in the last 200 years. *cough* thenotwidelyaknowkledgedgenocideofArmenians *cough*

    • @GasPipeJimmy
      @GasPipeJimmy 2 года назад +3

      @@Mandark020
      Always siding with “the other”, absolutely IS self-hatred.
      You can’t camouflage that as “nuance”, because it isn’t.
      The Philippines would have gained independence decades earlier had it not been for their extraordinary violent and mostly pointless revolts.
      They also failed to grasp the fact that had the US just unilaterally granted them independence, they would have been immediately re-colonized by the Japanese. That didn’t work out so well for them, did it?

  • @nachofilament294
    @nachofilament294 2 года назад +221

    I went to school in a rural area in the Deep South (thus a very conservative area) at about the same time as Mr Beat, and we were taught the Civil War was about slavery and only slavery.
    I have no idea what was up with Kansas.

    • @beckyschauer7650
      @beckyschauer7650 2 года назад +12

      That's what we were taught at my school in Nebraska too.

    • @stanleyshannon4408
      @stanleyshannon4408 2 года назад +4

      So, what were you taught about the cause of slavery?

    • @charlescourtney4402
      @charlescourtney4402 2 года назад +16

      That's what I was taught in South Carolina. We were told that the Civil War was about slavery.

    • @stanleyshannon4408
      @stanleyshannon4408 2 года назад

      @Yummy Spaghetti Noodles And what caused slavery? Why did it exist?

    • @jasonwhite2050
      @jasonwhite2050 2 года назад +1

      I was taught the same in Kentucky.

  • @sofiadri2638
    @sofiadri2638 2 года назад +437

    As a latin american I always had the idea that Americans got kind of a simplified version of history with a washed out narrative of good vs evil. I'm glad to see there are teachers like you that take a careful and nuanced approach to teaching American history, especially considering how influential the US was (and is) in the world. Keep up the good work :)

    • @Compucles
      @Compucles 2 года назад +34

      It depends on the subject in question. There are a few subjects where most textbooks will be negative in the way the United States acted such as the way we treated Native Americans, how we interred Japanese-Americans during WWII, how blacks were treated in the South leading up to both the Civil War and the Civil Rights Movement a century later, and how unpopular the Vietnam War was in general.
      But yes, several other things have been whitewashed, another notable example being how we unilaterally conquered a foreign sovereign kingdom when we "annexed" Hawaii.

    • @sofiadri2638
      @sofiadri2638 2 года назад +20

      @@Compucles thanks for the detailed answer! Maybe that image I had was from a different time. And I believe whitewashing and dumbing down concepts kinda happens everywhere. I'm from Uruguay, and we never learned about the war we had with Paraguay where we halfed their population, and we never talked about the military dictatorship that happened just four decades ago.
      It's just meant not to tarnish the national identity and whatnot. It's very sad

    • @cwbb76
      @cwbb76 2 года назад +23

      Every town, in every state teaches history different.
      A history lesson in Massachusetts public school will be drastically different from a history lesson in an Alabama public school.

    • @mongoose1628
      @mongoose1628 2 года назад +7

      @@sofiadri2638 yeah that was definitely a problem in the twentieth century but not so much anymore. a bigger problem is boomers still sticking to what they learned in the 60s

    • @blackcitroenlove
      @blackcitroenlove 2 года назад +12

      @@cwbb76 the biggest problem is that we don't have one national curriculum. Aside from state history, it should all be the same. Then again, there wouldn't be the uneducated to fight wars for the wealthy...

  • @Marylandbrony
    @Marylandbrony 2 года назад +57

    I think one of the main reasons why the gulf of Tonkin insistent is not widely discussed in both many U.S history courses and in most textbooks until the 2010s is because baby boomer parents are generally uncomfortable talking about the Vietnam war and many history classes if they try to cover all of U.S history in a single school years usually ends sometime near the Vietnam war.
    I recall in my high school history class that my honors course ended with the Watergate scandal and we never got into detail about the Vietnam war and in a preparation we had a team trivia contest and I helped win because I explained Reaganomics. This was in 2014 to give you a reference on how recent it was and I wonder how my generation is going to explain the war on terror and the coronavirus pandemic in history class.

    • @russbear31
      @russbear31 2 года назад +11

      You're basically right. I'm an older coot who was in elementary school during Vietnam. By the time I reached high school none of my teachers would touch Vietnam because it was still a recent event. I even had one teacher who told us flat out that Vietnam was off the table. Same thing happened when I went on to college. But my old professor for Amer. History II was fun. He was a WWII vet set to retire, so he spent the whole semester telling us his war stories about shooting Nazis. Little else was covered.

    • @stevemccarty6384
      @stevemccarty6384 Год назад +5

      I am a Vietnam Era vet and a retired high school history teacher. I loved teaching. We were issued text books, several, and started thru them on day one and we'd just make it to the Vietnam War at the very end of the year. Students can only move thru the material ( history) at a measured pace and we had to pass over lots of material. As a teacher what one wants to do is to teach enthusiasm for the subject so that the student will go on a pursue the subject for themselves. That is what we who love history do and it brightens our lives.

    • @dinkster1729
      @dinkster1729 Год назад +1

      @@stevemccarty6384 You probably love it more the older you get, right? You also find younger people treating you as an historical resource. My mother died on a WW2 veterans floor in Ottawa. Some of the men had really interesting tales to tell about the 2nd World War. They were all in their early 90s. It really made WW2 history live for me, a Boomer.

  • @bootycakessss
    @bootycakessss 2 года назад +36

    when we were cleaning out my late great-aunt's house, we found a history textbook from like 1905. my mom, her sister and I read it and oh boy it was NUTS

    • @philipkoekemoer4705
      @philipkoekemoer4705 Год назад +3

      It's going to get even more nuts with the rewriting of history today. Don't you worry, you are the villain in this version

    • @GuapoJhimi
      @GuapoJhimi Год назад

      I have a copy of Meyer's here and love it. You can feel the mood, values, inclinations of the time. Now, you just know people are lazy, whiney POS.

  • @ItsJustMe0585
    @ItsJustMe0585 2 года назад +35

    I've learned far more about history in the last few years from RUclips than I ever learned in school.
    I'm still horrible with dates, but I think learning more about culture and events (and how they are intertwined) in every era is more important than names of politicians, generals and exact dates.
    Edit: I really wish that we would learn more about Asian history, and even some African history, instead of only focusing on Europe and the US.

    • @glennduke5853
      @glennduke5853 2 года назад

      I agree, but then what do I know? Very few dates and not many names of small nations especially the many that no longer exist. Not much from the Old Testament Bible, which is pretty much useless in my opinion.

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Год назад

      Try to visualize a time line and fit major events onto it in your head. That will help you with the dates. The approximate period in which something happened is more important than the exact year in most cases.

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Год назад

      @@glennduke5853 The OT is often the only source we have for the history of the Jews prior to the Roman conquest.

    • @dinkster1729
      @dinkster1729 Год назад

      I think you mostly focus on the U.S., don't you?

  • @bign828
    @bign828 2 года назад +145

    I am taking APUSH right now and am using the American pageant. My class only really uses it for standard notes assignments not really for anything significant. We do use the American YAWP which is an online primary source textbook which is very good.

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +20

      Thanks for sharing that. YAWP is pretty solid.

    • @stanbrown32
      @stanbrown32 2 года назад +2

      I have a collection of American Pageant editions, from the 1st (1956) to the 11th. It's very intetesting to see how Bailey's 1956 text was gradually moderated, toned done, revised, then comprehensively rewritten by David Kennedy and later authors, while trying to keep the quirky authorial voice Bailey used.

  • @Drag0nfoxx
    @Drag0nfoxx 2 года назад +193

    40:17 This "We gave them everything but they rebelled" narrative is exactly the same as how I was taught Indonesian history in the Netherlands (which had colonised Indonesia). Nice that we are not the only ones whitewashing our history, I guess...

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +59

      That imperialistic narrative!

    • @joakimhalstensen9604
      @joakimhalstensen9604 2 года назад +32

      I'm from Norway and we're like, yeah we pillaged, raped and murdered our way through Europe, kept and sold slaves and did blood sacrifice with animals to the gods. Good times 😅

    • @steppedonmyglasses
      @steppedonmyglasses 2 года назад +18

      I'm Indonesian and that's i think that's somehow understandable. My textbook outright cencor anything that will make Indonesia looks bad. It either doesn't mention anything about the Chinese Genocide of 1965... or make some justification for it.

    • @Chaotic_Pixie
      @Chaotic_Pixie 2 года назад +3

      FAR FROM IT!!! Some of my favorite countryball cartoons show the US getting crapped on for atrocities against indigenous peoples -which we absolutely did and I'm not excusing- but in these cartoons places like Canada, Britain, Spain, Portugal, and others are just quietly whistling in the background hoping not to draw attention to themselves. Similar cartoons of say, Belgium getting crapped on because of Congo while the US, Britain, Spain, etc are whistling, trying to draw attention to themselves. If you haven't checked out countryball cartoons, you should. They're hilarious and a copyright free form of self expression.

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 2 года назад +5

      It’s also got that old “White Man’s Burden” implication, that moralist justification for so much aggressive imperialism

  • @ValiantVicuna
    @ValiantVicuna 2 года назад +17

    The casts' reaction to most of the historic textbooks really made me remember why I hated history in school, but I love history as a self-learning adult. "They are just plowing through the information" and "the students are just reciting facts, and once you are done with one subject you can just forget it and move on to the next"

  • @johnking6252
    @johnking6252 Год назад +6

    I was lucky enough to have a history teacher who after I read everything in the classroom gave me a permanent hall pass to wander around the library learning whatever I wanted . Good teacher.

  • @HistoryandHeadlines
    @HistoryandHeadlines 2 года назад +215

    What a neat topic to cover! I wonder what how we'll look back at our current textbooks?

    • @theshenpartei
      @theshenpartei 2 года назад +3

      Only time will tell

    • @HistoryandHeadlines
      @HistoryandHeadlines 2 года назад +4

      @@theshenpartei Did you like any of your textbooks?

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +78

      I think they'll be like "why did they use textbooks?"

    • @HistoryandHeadlines
      @HistoryandHeadlines 2 года назад +4

      @@iammrbeat I am tempted to write my own "textbook" on my website.

    • @gavinr.3170
      @gavinr.3170 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/kbr1M-S4tMQ/видео.html

  • @ThunderHOWL16
    @ThunderHOWL16 2 года назад +181

    wow. i can tell there was an immense amount of effort put into this. thank you for the incredible content Mr. Beat!

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +19

      It was my pleasure! I enjoyed every second of making it. :)

    • @funsizedi88
      @funsizedi88 2 года назад +3

      Yes, thank you! I am starting my daughter's homeschooling this summer. Yes she is only 3, but I'm doing research into what companies/brands are the best to use. I love history, so I figured this would be a good way to make a grading criteria for choosing the material.

    • @insightfulhistorian1861
      @insightfulhistorian1861 2 года назад +3

      @@iammrbeat Yeah, great video, well done.

  • @Tupelo927
    @Tupelo927 2 года назад +56

    What a phenomenal video!
    For several years now, I've searched eBay for the textbook we used in my 4th grade Alabama history class. (1983-84 school year)
    I still remember 2 things: a poem about orange trees we memorized & the grotesque descriptions (& illustrations!) of "ignorant but grateful, happy slaves."
    Our teacher referred to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression." Being the daughter of a Michigander, I cringed every time scalawags & carpetbaggers were discussed.

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +12

      Wow, thanks for sharing that, and thanks for the kind words!

    • @dino0228
      @dino0228 Год назад

      No wonder the Civil War never really ended.

    • @GuapoJhimi
      @GuapoJhimi Год назад +3

      Gosh. Way back THEN? Did they have parchment yet or was you still using stone tablets? Lazy.

    • @Tupelo927
      @Tupelo927 Год назад +3

      @@GuapoJhimi I get that your childish snark is sarcastic but what's with the "lazy" comment, "Handsome?"

    • @Donnie_M.
      @Donnie_M. Год назад +1

      Do you have any memory of the cover picture of the book or title, I collect textbooks from the 1980's and am very familiar with the various publishers and may be able to help you pin it down.

  • @kathryncainmadsen5850
    @kathryncainmadsen5850 2 года назад +17

    I worked on the textbooks that have been coming out in the last 3 years. I was a writer. We did original research. I know they are based on national standards and state standards like Texas, California, and Florida so if you want better textbooks, change the way textbooks are PAID FOR and how standards are edited by those fearful of parents. Having said that. THERE ARE GREAT TEXTBOOKS OUT NOW if I do say so myself.

  • @jeromemckenna7102
    @jeromemckenna7102 2 года назад +69

    They never taught the Philippine American war in schools in the 1960's, but our family had a history of the US produced by American Heritage magazine that had a good bit about the efforts to capture Emilio Aguinaldo. If you've read the 3 vol Mark Twain biography you find that Twain has a bit to say about the war.

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +14

      Thanks for sharing that, and you bet your britches that Twain did. Have you ever read The War Prayer?

    • @jeromemckenna7102
      @jeromemckenna7102 2 года назад +1

      @@iammrbeat Yes.

    • @erynlasgalen1949
      @erynlasgalen1949 2 года назад +4

      You mentioned Twain before I could. All I learned about the Phillippine American War came from Twain. There was nothing about it in my primary and secondary education, 1955 through 1967.

    • @anniesue4456
      @anniesue4456 2 года назад +1

      I love Mark Twain!

    • @voxveritas333
      @voxveritas333 2 года назад +1

      @@erynlasgalen1949 same here, as far as history classes go.

  • @luisandrade2254
    @luisandrade2254 2 года назад +91

    I love Victorian era historiography they had such a different perspective on everything

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +30

      Ya got that right

    • @richardwills-woodward5340
      @richardwills-woodward5340 2 года назад

      They built the modern world from a small island over the Atlantic. We should be very grateful tot he British Empire AND they abolished the slave trade - but you wouldn't think so according the ignorant Millennial media.

    • @spencerhardy8667
      @spencerhardy8667 2 года назад +3

      "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" written in mid nineteenth century is one of the best.
      If you've read that, the extraordinary popular delusions and post modern insanity of today just become another example of the craziness of Empires about to collapse. The similarities are chilling.

    • @wesleywyndam-pryce5305
      @wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Год назад

      @@spencerhardy8667 one can only hope that America is on the brink of collapse. really though thats just fucking nonsense lol.

  • @Bears2024
    @Bears2024 2 года назад +22

    When I took AP US History I used The American Pageant from 2011. Our teacher only used it for some homework assignments and he cherry picked what he wanted us to read and take from the textbook and made his own lectures for in class. He was one of my favorites and he tried to go a little faster to be able to touch on topics that aren't specifically in the curriculum or very basic (Asian American Internment Camps, Late/Post Cold War Wars, etc) and he told the same cheesy dad jokes every year which everyone loved (A blank slide where he asked what everyone saw, the answer was George Washington in a snow storm)

  • @jacobharstad5696
    @jacobharstad5696 2 года назад +86

    "Lies My Teacher Told Me", James Loewen. Easy to find and a great read on this same vein.

    • @gold_green2001
      @gold_green2001 2 года назад +7

      Yeah, it was an insightful read. I read it in a college US history course I took fall semester of last year. I talked about it enough that my mom bought a copy. 😂 Anyways, just a heads-up for anyone who wants to read it, the author’s name is actually James W. Loewen, not Robert.

    • @jacobharstad5696
      @jacobharstad5696 2 года назад +5

      @@gold_green2001 Whoops!

    • @gold_green2001
      @gold_green2001 2 года назад +2

      @@jacobharstad5696 it’s all good, mistakes happen!

    • @thebestofallworlds187
      @thebestofallworlds187 Год назад +1

      "Excuse Me, Professor: Challenging The Myths Of Progressivism" is a great book.

    • @jacobharstad5696
      @jacobharstad5696 Год назад +4

      @@thebestofallworlds187 I sincerely and deeply doubt that.

  • @TehGalvanator
    @TehGalvanator 2 года назад +40

    Hey Mr Beat, great video! I didn’t take APUSH in High school but rather I took the IB version of US History in 2014. I had a history teacher that was clearly very passionate about teaching history here in Northern California. We covered all these topics in some meetings detail. You remind me a lot of him! Shout out to Mr Peterson! I learned a lot more in that class than I did in my college history classes.

  • @okiguess3795
    @okiguess3795 2 года назад +45

    This reminds me of when I did my A-Level Modern History, and our Depth Study was Russia from 1855 to 1964. Initially, we were given the textbook that the exam board recommended for us, however our teachers realised that the information there lacked enough depth (not to mention that it was divided into four themes and would go back and forth across the timeline), so we were then given another textbook that they believed was much more in depth (and it was), and it was actually arranged in chronological order. However, we were then given *another* textbook that, whilst being more condensed, had useful information that the other two left out. Moreover, my friend bought a study guide online which we both used to prepare for exams and even that had facts and figures that the three textbooks we were given before left out. So in the end, we ended up using *three* textbooks and a study guide to learn about a period of 109 years, and even then I still had to use the internet to learn about some facts that turned out to actually be useful for one of my essays I had to write in my final exam.
    So yeah, textbooks definitely aren't the best way to learn history across the board and hopefully this changes for the better one day

    • @MitzvosGolem1
      @MitzvosGolem1 2 года назад +2

      Talk to Russians about their history... Not like versions we are told.
      My Russian grand father would burn western texts .

    • @benmclinjr9607
      @benmclinjr9607 2 года назад +3

      That's why they taught us to use multiple sources when writing a paper. Ding dong. This makes me sad.

    • @stacialavergne
      @stacialavergne Год назад

      P

  • @Necrotoxin44
    @Necrotoxin44 2 года назад +19

    This sort of prevalent deficiency in textbooks is what has lead to my current interest in history. Firstly, as you mentioned, you learn so much more when you explore history yourself! But also, there are so many things that you either don't learn about, or are de-emphasized.

    • @stevemccarty6384
      @stevemccarty6384 Год назад

      Nothing is more interesting to me than history. I adore all kinds of history and there is lots to know from ancient to medieval to modern, all fascinating. History is the story of what went on before. That's a lot of stuff! Can I transport to Ancient Rome? Please...

  • @toob1979
    @toob1979 2 года назад +16

    I was in school from the late 70s through the early 90s. If I took a modern history test, I'd probably fail it based on my knowledge from school. History is such a tricky subject, because you're always going to have a bit of a "reliable narrator" problem and you have to pick and choose which bits get attention and which get glossed over because the average person's memory and attention span is limited.

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Год назад

      I have always thought that for earlier (not recent) periods of history, it would be better is we took one good history book from the past, nothing too contemporary, and amended it from time to time only by means of same page footnotes rather than revising the text itself. The politics would still be there, but they would be transparent because students could see the original text and the changing perspectives. Even better if every footnote had to include the date it was added or altered.

  • @TheGeoScholar
    @TheGeoScholar 2 года назад +36

    As much as I liked my geography textbook in high school, I learned even more from reading encyclopedias, National Geography, watching all kinds of travel documentaries, the History Channel, PBS. A large part of my learning when it comes to geography has taken place outside of classrooms. And this is coming from someone who learned alot in my high school geography class.

  • @distantsalutations9120
    @distantsalutations9120 2 года назад +16

    Babe wake up Mr. Beat just dropped

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +5

      Wake up the entire hood. I give you permission to. :D

  • @kencollins1186
    @kencollins1186 2 года назад +4

    My grandfather was born in 1891. My grandmother was older than Utah. I heard of the Spanish American War, but but I never knew there was a Philippine American War until this video. The Vietnam War was an ominous cloud of nationalism that hung over my high-school years and through college. I had to get permission from the government to study abroad in my junior year in college. Yet I never knew that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was faked until now. This is a very informative video.

  • @ironic_iron8770
    @ironic_iron8770 2 года назад +26

    As a Gen Z (born 2000), I can't remember learning much at all about Grant's presidency, and I can't remember learning anything at all about the Philippine-American war or the Tonkin Gulf incident (throughout high school and college). Maybe I was not paying attention for some parts of my classes, but I can't remember ever being tested or reading about them.
    Edit: In college I took two history classes: one on ancient civilizations up to 1500 I think, and US history up until 1865. So that is why I didn't learn them in college.

    • @Mysticmoon62
      @Mysticmoon62 2 года назад +1

      I will agree I never learned about both of those things

    • @thunderbird1921
      @thunderbird1921 2 года назад +4

      I bet you NEVER learned about the Korean War then. My schools barely covered it (other than it's very basic premise), so beginning in 2019 I started studying it myself. Today, now knowing what I know, I am FLOORED it is not talked about, you literally HAVE to study it to truly grasp the whole Cold War and the "Red Scare" (which was partially in response to the war, and at least in some ways similar to Japanese or German saboteur fears during World War II). Plus, it wasn't just us and the two Koreas involved, China was backing the Norks while the British Commonwealth and France among others supported our side. It's honestly not just America's history, it's humanity's story similar to the two World Wars. It's so important that I now tell folks our schools should teach it even more than Vietnam or perhaps even a handful of other US conflicts. It should NOT be a "forgotten war".

    • @ironic_iron8770
      @ironic_iron8770 2 года назад

      @@thunderbird1921 yep, the at this point in my life the Korean war is a war that I know happened but I can't remember learning much if anything about it during high school. Definitely one of those things that I know I should learn more about

    • @Mysticmoon62
      @Mysticmoon62 Год назад

      @@thunderbird1921 I know what it is but they hardly covered it

    • @Mysticmoon62
      @Mysticmoon62 Год назад

      @@thunderbird1921 but I am going into 11th grade

  • @gregm766
    @gregm766 2 года назад +46

    I first heard about the Philippine-American war in Marine Corps boot camp in 1984 and that was mostly what involvement the Marine Corps had in it.

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +14

      Fascinating. I'm sure it didn't make the Marine Corps look bad did it? 😏

    • @gregm766
      @gregm766 2 года назад +14

      @@iammrbeat No, definitely not. Just another conflict in which we kicked a$$

    • @thunderbird1921
      @thunderbird1921 2 года назад +3

      How many know about the Commodore Perry expedition to Japan in the 1850s I wonder (the one where our Navy forced them to open up)? Stuff like that isn't talked about much because of the American people being preoccupied with the slavery issue and other matters at that time, but MAN did it open a pandora's box for us. Combine that with the Philippines and the aftermath of the Spanish-American War, and we paid DEARLY for the reckless 19th Century Pacific actions from World War II onward. It's like our government did everything possible to infuriate the Japanese and related powers.

    • @GasPipeJimmy
      @GasPipeJimmy 2 года назад

      @@iammrbeat
      Did you ever teach anything that would make the Moros look bad?

    • @0816M3RC
      @0816M3RC Год назад

      @@gregm766 Read up on what the Marine Corps did in Haiti from 1915 to 1934.

  • @PeachWookiee
    @PeachWookiee 2 года назад +10

    I love that you mention that history is about people, Mr. Beat! It’s what drew me to history in the first place.

  • @201170jjb
    @201170jjb 2 года назад +5

    you're absolutely right RUclips is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to history on these History Channels. I really enjoyed this video Mr. Beat thank you for making it

  • @Tadfafty
    @Tadfafty 2 года назад +7

    I have a textbook from the late 1940s that goes out of its way to mention some boxing match in the 1920s that I never heard of before and mostly forgot about since.

  • @americanhistorygeek1926
    @americanhistorygeek1926 2 года назад +19

    This is a really awesome video, I really enjoy when you dive into unique content that hasn't been covered by other RUclipsrs. Keep up the great work Mr. Beat and congrats to all of the guest channels as well!

  • @BladeEdge86
    @BladeEdge86 2 года назад +10

    This has the be one of the best videos you have made in quite a while, it truly is fascinating to see how these old history textbooks compare to the ones published in more recent years.

  • @ghintz2156
    @ghintz2156 2 года назад +48

    I'm ashamed that as a teenager one of my independent American History research projects I covered was why the Civil War was about states rights instead of slavery. My dad was a bad and constant influence on me politically. He's deep into conspiracies currently...no big shock that it's where he ended up.

    • @NegaRenGenX2gay2lift
      @NegaRenGenX2gay2lift Год назад +1

      my dad is somewhat like this too

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Год назад

      Young people tend to be more trusting of authorities. As you get older, you tend to become more cynical as you realize how much stuff happens in the world as a result of behind the scene machinations. Take for example the Gulf of Tonkin incident: a conspiracy that even school textbooks now acknowledge however delicately. I assure you it is not the only one! Indeed, even the decision to keep certain events out of public school textbooks is, by definition, a conspiracy of silence - a conspiracy being a decision made by a small number of persons in secret for some purpose that many others would not approve of it they knew. There are people who make these decisions, and we are not even told their names.

    • @jacobitewiseman3696
      @jacobitewiseman3696 Год назад +2

      How do you know he ain't correct.

    • @ghintz2156
      @ghintz2156 Год назад +16

      @@jacobitewiseman3696 Bescause I’ve earned two degrees that taught me what real research is. My dad believes randos making Tik Toks know the real Epstein flight list. Pretty sure he’s not correct on much of anything these days.

    • @lovesupreme1
      @lovesupreme1 Год назад +1

      Your dad is smarter then you think

  • @grantgoodman8415
    @grantgoodman8415 2 года назад +4

    I firmly believe that history/social studies teachers are among the most important people in shaping students’ knowledge and perspectives on the world around them, and by proxy, shaping the future of our country. Thank you Mr. Beat for always being honest and informative. It is people like you who will ensure we survive and prosper for years to come.

  • @irkhanbasc
    @irkhanbasc 2 года назад +25

    I’m actually a math teacher, with some experience teaching science and computers, but I have an interest in history on the side. I have always wondered how history teachers do their job, given that they have so much content to work with when they teach their students. In math and science, at least for me, it’s somewhat more straightforward, though not without its challenges and some changes over time. Usually, when we find a good textbook, we generally tend to stick to it and rely on it significantly, especially for student self-study. For example, for Grade 12 calculus, we use a textbook by Larson and sometimes another one by Stewart (which is very popular in first-year university courses). But what do you do with history? How do you find a textbook that you are comfortable with and that is suitable for your students? Especially when there are SO many other resources online and in libraries? As well, history is one of those subjects that can become so easily politicized. I’ve never heard parents loudly complain about how their kids are being taught Pythagorean Theorem or quadratic equations.

    • @guychocensky3585
      @guychocensky3585 2 года назад +2

      YOU completely get the problem of teaching history, IMran.
      What's more you also described why writing any history is bound to a subjective process where one must decide what is important enough to include in the narrative. EVery event that occuss is history. Not all of them are significant to the subject under study. The historian must decide what is important and no history can ever be complete.

    • @Silverhawk100
      @Silverhawk100 2 года назад +2

      From what I can tell, there are two major teaching philosophies when it comes to American History today.
      1. You teach the trends and ideologies, where you spend more time teaching the causes and lead-up to a major moment and the effect that moment had on the future decisions than the actual moment. This gives students a firm grasp on why things happened, but not so much on how it happened. For example, more emphasis is paid to the KKK than to the Election of 1876 for the failure of Reconstruction.
      2. You teach the people. It's a bit more memorization, but you teach the impact significant people or groups had on history and the decisions they made that shaped events. This might give students a stronger interest in history later down the line because it creates more compelling narratives, but it is more vulnerable to selection bias. For example, you can only pick 2, who do you focus on to embody the Abolitionist movement? Fredrick Douglass? Harriett Beecher Stowe? John Brown? William Garrison? Etc.

    • @N1ghtH4wk86
      @N1ghtH4wk86 2 года назад

      Unless you're in Florida

    • @stevemccarty6384
      @stevemccarty6384 Год назад

      Teaching history is not only about material, but attitude as well. You are given a text book. All of the students have the same book. You start at the beginning of the book and go from chapter to chapter, but you are not limited to just teaching from the book. What you must do is to bring into the classroom experiences and knowledge that you, as the teacher have. After all by the time you get into the history classroom the teacher has already had many classes and experiences in and about history. I had lived in all of the regions in the US and had traveled and lived all over Europe and Asia. I had participated in the Vietnam War. I taught my students, for instance, how to land a fighter plane on an aircraft carrier. Not too many teachers can do that. I had visited the death camps in Germany and had been to Gettysburg. I had climbed to the top of the Tower of Pisa and had been to the Louve. Yet when I interviewed for the job as a history teacher, this after I had finished by teaching credentials they hired a 22 year old girl who was married to the daughter-in-law of the Superindent of schools. She lasted a year and a half and they hired me as a substitute.

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Год назад

      @@Silverhawk100 But no. 2 confronts another question: is history made by individuals, a "triumph of the will" as one famous film from the 1930s described it, or is history usually the result, as Hegel and Marx thought, of broad, impersonal forces and if different figures had occupied the historical stage would have turned out much the same any way?

  • @patsyleeoswald9912
    @patsyleeoswald9912 2 года назад +137

    "History is a set of lies agreed upon."
    - Napoleon Bonaparte

    • @haruhisuzumiya6650
      @haruhisuzumiya6650 2 года назад +9

      That's also religious dogma

    • @tomcherry7029
      @tomcherry7029 2 года назад +8

      Napoleon Bonaparte what a great person right and yes that was sarcasm

    • @drew25music
      @drew25music 2 года назад +1

      Just because Napoleon said it doesn't mean it's true.

    • @patsyleeoswald9912
      @patsyleeoswald9912 2 года назад +3

      Just because Napoleon said it doesn't mean it's not true. Suzy Jones could have said it, and it would still be true.

    • @henriquepacheco7473
      @henriquepacheco7473 2 года назад +5

      @@patsyleeoswald9912 It isn't really true. It's a narrative agreed upon (or many such narratives, but let's not get too caught up on details). At any one moment, there is both some degree of truth and some degree of lying in the construction of a historical narrative. Said "lies" are not always intentional, some can be genuine mistakes. One would hope that all the lies are honest mistakes, but individual historians are still human and thus, not entirely trustworthy. Generalizing it as a set of lies gives ample breeding grounds to historical denialism, esp. of atrocities such as the Holocaust and many other genocides, which is a bad thing.

  • @catherinecrawford2289
    @catherinecrawford2289 Год назад +3

    I found a similar disconnect when I borrowed an American History text for my homeschooled kids that I only found out later was an Abeka published book, or maybe it was Bob Jones. The early colonies were described with the major church leaders of their communities. My kids stared at me and finally my eldest asked, "Why are they telling us about ministers instead of history?" My answer was, "I'll get a better book tomorrow."

  • @jackjackson2419
    @jackjackson2419 Год назад

    Great segment! One of my favorites since so many editions reviewed and so many educators contributed!

  • @MomentsInTrading
    @MomentsInTrading 2 года назад +31

    I went to middle and high school in the very early 1980s. Back then, what we learned was kind of censored a bit. It was taught in such a cleaned up version, it made people from history seem different than modern people, and unable for me to relate to. I found history in those days very uninteresting.

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +16

      Well a sanitized version of history often does that. Glad you like history now though!

    • @MomentsInTrading
      @MomentsInTrading 2 года назад +2

      Sanitized… That is a good term for it.

    • @johnblossom8447
      @johnblossom8447 2 года назад

      I was lucky. I graduated in 1983 and had three really good history teachers in high school. The teacher who taught American History was my best friend’s dad. He was a fun and interesting teacher who taught us a lot of things that weren’t in text books.

    • @jennifersilves4195
      @jennifersilves4195 2 года назад

      They make history uninteresting on purpose.

    • @Mysticmoon62
      @Mysticmoon62 2 года назад

      The cool thing about today's history class atleast where I am from in the US is really legit and not censored.

  • @sheleavitt06
    @sheleavitt06 2 года назад +64

    I remember my high school history teacher telling us that text book companies aim to get approval from Texas school districts because there are a lot of schools there that buy a lot of books and that state is supposedly “middle of the road” for America (or used to be). This is why so many text books don’t correctly diagnoses the reason for the civil war being slavery because they need to appeal to the myth of the lost cause folks that are in Texas in droves😖

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +19

      There is truth in this, and I used to believe this wholeheartedly as well, but as I researched for this video I guess that whole thing is a bit overblown.

    • @alanlight7740
      @alanlight7740 2 года назад +6

      The old history books are more accurate in this respect than the new ones.
      Isn't it curious that Union monuments to their war dead almost always mentioned "preserving the union", but almost never say a word about slavery?
      We might say that slavery was one of the chief causes of secession, but under the prevailing American ideas about government at that time those states should have been allowed to peacefully leave. Secession solved the issue of the fugitive slave act - at least as far as the departed states were concerned. The northern states were no longer under any compulsion to return escaped slaves to those states. When Lincoln came to office he inherited an armistice and a Confederate delegation attempted to meet with him to conclude a peaceful departure. Lincoln chose to violate that armistice without even informing Congress, much less getting their approval as the law required.
      We can also look at comments by men like Lysander Spooner or Charles Dickens, who were no friends of slavery. Neither thought the war had anything to do with slavery - unless it was to increase the number of slaves by enslaving all Americans.
      The claim that the war was about slavery is a northern myth, because after the war they were ashamed to admit their real reasons for attacking the people who had made and kept them free.

    • @TheBIGJOE13579
      @TheBIGJOE13579 2 года назад +1

      History is written by the winner.

  • @morganmcallister2001
    @morganmcallister2001 2 года назад +10

    Historiography is just as interesting as history sometimes. Nice work.

  • @Raveler1
    @Raveler1 2 года назад +6

    "Explore history, don't be spoon fed it" - that's exactly what we did in school. Granted, I was in an IB program, but we spent two years studying the cold war, looking at causes, incidents, and exploring texts available to us - in the late 90s, so not too long after the fall of the USSR. It was great training for how history is actually studied, and I appreciate that the only history textbooks we used were those in the library, at our discretion!

  • @B1GPUDD1NG
    @B1GPUDD1NG 2 года назад +24

    Man you’re always coming up with good video ideas!

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +1

      Well thank you Harry

  • @XOguitargurlOX
    @XOguitargurlOX 2 года назад +29

    Now I'm curious if kids still pass notes in school!! Haven't thought about those in years, especially after texting became easier!

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +9

      They rarely do these days 😏

    • @narwaler2898
      @narwaler2898 2 года назад +2

      No we don’t, we usually just talk to each other

    • @TheSlipperyNUwUdle
      @TheSlipperyNUwUdle 2 года назад +2

      Smartphones were a thing when I was in high school and kids still passed notes. Not very often tho. I think maybe they texted more. I never did either cause I always got caught texting. Lol

    • @Mysticmoon62
      @Mysticmoon62 2 года назад +1

      I am in hs rn and I have never seen anyone pass notes lmao

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Год назад +1

      @@narwaler2898 Talking is allowed during class now? Aren't all those kids talking at once distracting?

  • @brianedgar3413
    @brianedgar3413 2 года назад +2

    Oh what? I'm supposed to "LIKE" this video just because of all the hard work and time you spent on IT!?!?!? And you also managed to post it one week before I decide to look up "Old History Books" on RUclips!!!! Is that coincidence supposed to impress me!?!?!?!? Get a job Mr. Beat and keep up the good work Mafk!!!

  • @latinhero1818
    @latinhero1818 2 года назад +10

    If I were teaching history, I’d have 4 years of US history all throughout HS. One for the colonial period up to the end of the French and Indian war, one for the buildup of the revolution to Abraham Lincoln’s assassination, one for reconstruction up to the end of the Second World War, and the last round would cover everything from Potsdam to the 2016 election.

    • @xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu
      @xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu Год назад

      I agree, except it should start with America's history before 1492. Over 30,000 years of the original American history from the Artic to the Antarctic. The correct history of colonization from 1492 until 1609. Emphasizing how the rest of America was very integrated racially from the beginning especially Saint Augustine in Florida, which had 3 generations of Americans, Europeans, and Africans living together and mixing peacefully before the first Anglo European arrived in Jamestown and Plymouth rock. The differences with Spanish European colonization and British European colonization. And how that affected the racial integration in the rest of America to this day and the lack of racial integration and apartheid of Anglo American colonization, of which we are still paying for to this day. Those would be key to understanding others in America and ourselves.

    • @latinhero1818
      @latinhero1818 Год назад

      @@xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu I should clarify that. 1492 would be the starting point for American history. There’s only so much I can cover in 4 years. Particularly that first year when we start it all. We could talk about the theories of how the native tribes first came to the Americas. The ice age, and a brief demographic survey of the North American tribes as well as the Inca, Maya, Aztec and Mississippi mound builders. There is also a problem with the lack of written information from the natives at the time. Only the maya developed a written language. If I were to go that route, I don’t know that I could spend more than 10 weeks of comprehensive study on that whole section. Although at the end of each year, I’d make sure to give students a reading sheet pointing them to primary sources and books for further interest and study.

  • @DownToTruck
    @DownToTruck 2 года назад +9

    I used American Pageant back when I took APUSH in 2010! That was one of my favorite classes I took in high school. I remember being super surprised when I got a 5 on the AP Exam - I remember mostly "studying" by watching American history youtube videos.

  • @iconpoet
    @iconpoet 2 года назад +12

    This is very interesting.
    To me, these history books are written like this because I don't think everybody knew everything about those events. We have the luxury of having decades to find various perspectives and new information about these events...theoretically

  • @realteamwall
    @realteamwall 9 месяцев назад +1

    most history teachers dont go out of their way to learn more about history and to share that knowledge like you do

  • @edwardbickford4666
    @edwardbickford4666 2 года назад +1

    1st time viewer here. I have always enjoyed history and open to learning new things. Being older with the ability to listen to both sides I find it interesting how views can differ greatly. What is the true history? We will never know, for our own opinions and interpretations are swayed by our own experience. You definitely fuel the fire to keep researching and learning. Keep it up.

  • @StoicHistorian
    @StoicHistorian 2 года назад +7

    History is the interpretation of the past, this interpretation is present and should always be changing. Great video as always

  • @BA-ji1zh
    @BA-ji1zh 2 года назад +4

    I am eternally grateful that you've made a RUclips channel so you can share your passion for teaching with the world.
    Ashamed to admit it, but I always found history boring when I was in school. You've made it interesting and it's not hard to hang onto your every word. Not only that, but your passion drives further reading on one's own.

    • @stevemccarty6384
      @stevemccarty6384 Год назад

      If you consider history boring it is your teacher's fault. History should be taught as a story. It is the story of what happened before and what can be more exciting than that? My students would cut all of their classes but mine! As a teacher of history I was excited by the subject and passed that interest onto my students and they learned to love it too! I would ask them, "what would you do if such and such happened? Then I would tell them, or we would decide what people actually did when confronted by trying situations. That makes history interesting and the student becomes an historical individual. We had a lot of fun in my classroom we'd laugh. I took their questions seriously and I'd llisten to them and respond honestly. The students were charming and I loved teaching them history and English, subjects that I adore.

  • @dalton8046
    @dalton8046 2 года назад +5

    We did not use a single textbook in our APUSH class this year. After the AP test most of the students seemed confident as well, and personally, I think I got a 5

  • @mikemccomas9268
    @mikemccomas9268 2 года назад

    Best of your offerings I have seen yet. Much appreciated.

  • @trewqwert1869
    @trewqwert1869 2 года назад +21

    6:04 My experience, like a lot of other Gen Z/Millennials, was similar. I think that Grant is so often grouped in with underwhelming or outright terrible Reconstruction-era presidents (Arthur, Garfield, Hayes, Harrison, Cleveland), which was what justified teachers to not go beyond a few paragraphs’ worth of information for each (ex. Cleveland’s wedlock baby scandal). If I remember correctly, the teaching of the presidents from around this time started with Abraham Lincoln and maybe a reference to Andrew Johnson’s presidency, glanced over most of the Reconstruction presidents (like Grant), and came back at maybe William McKinley but definitely Teddy Roosevelt.

    • @austinreed7343
      @austinreed7343 2 года назад

      Remember the “Mediocre Presidents” song?

    • @DrForrester87
      @DrForrester87 2 года назад +4

      I don't know if it's fair to consider Garfield a terrible president since he got shot so quickly after getting into office.

    • @Line...
      @Line... 2 года назад

      @@night6724 *Some people Grant chose to trust, particulary in his administration, were pretty corrupt. He was guilty of being naive and overly trusting, but not of corruption himself

    • @Enochkers
      @Enochkers 2 года назад

      Grant and Johnson were the only "Reconstruction Presidents", a period of roughly 12 years. Reconstruction ended when Grant left because in the 1876 election, the southern Democrat Tilden won the popular vote (he had 3% more votes than Hayes), but lost the electoral vote. So the Republicans "compromised" by ending Reconstruction when their guy Hayes took office. Hayes had 185 electoral votes to Tilden's 184, a 1 electoral vote margin.

    • @Mysticmoon62
      @Mysticmoon62 2 года назад

      What grade do you learn those presidents in

  • @gunterke
    @gunterke 2 года назад +4

    Another very interesting video Mr. Beat! I'm not from the US so I can't say much about US history, which I largely picked up from books and mostly YT videos over the years. But I also thought about why we learned a lot about topic x and not topic y. In general, we got a pretty overview of the history of what now is our nation, but there are significant gaps and I now would've asked a lot of questions about that. I'm not a history teacher, but I work for a historical museum on the Holocaust in my country.

  • @salvadorvela8146
    @salvadorvela8146 2 года назад

    Thank you Mr Beat this was a great post.

  • @ScoutWolfSW
    @ScoutWolfSW 2 года назад +1

    I really appreciate the lessons learned from this video especially regarding having students spend more time with primary sources over Textbooks. I was not a history major in college (I actually studied political science), but I took a few intro and some upper level history courses in college and all of my professors emphasized the importance of engaging with primary sources. We often didn't have a textbook in my college courses and mostly were assigned various primary sources and they used these sources as additional substance for lectures and as discussion pieces. That is what I would say was the biggest difference between my high school and college history courses. Less focused on general events and dates and more focus on analyslzing points of view of and the relationship between events throughout history.

    • @stevemccarty6384
      @stevemccarty6384 Год назад

      My favorite history text books are old Life magazines. Not history books, of course, but they actually are.

  • @DwayneIsK1NG
    @DwayneIsK1NG 2 года назад +5

    I love history and would have absolutely loved going through those old history books

  • @elijahpaden4151
    @elijahpaden4151 2 года назад +5

    Have you heard of the textbook The American Yawp? Its a "collaboratively built" textbook that's free online and my apush class used it. I have a pretty high opinion of it and I think I remember distinct stuff about all five events.

  • @stefanhoimes
    @stefanhoimes 2 года назад +2

    I do very distinctly remember a high school history teacher telling us that the district was requiring him to tell us that states' rights was a major factor in the Civil War, but really emphasizing the over what "rights" part as a caution to not telling half-truths... especially when it comes to fellow human lives. This was in eastern PA in the late-1990s/early aughts, which tends to sway more liberal. Looking back, I'm proud of having had educators who got creative with how to teach facts within an increasingly limiting set of rules as to what they were allowed to teach. That teacher has since passed away, but I'll never forget his casual resistance to being forced to teach lies.

  • @CrazyDancer-me8od
    @CrazyDancer-me8od Месяц назад

    I’m coming from the Daily Bellringer video that was just posted and as one of Jared’s past students, I want to say that he is an amazing teach and I’m so excited to see the success he as achieved

  • @keithwolschleger2411
    @keithwolschleger2411 2 года назад +5

    Good video Mr beat once again!!!

  • @sorenchemamanapalmito8334
    @sorenchemamanapalmito8334 2 года назад +10

    Fantastic video ! If you're ever interested in doing a similar video about how the rest of the world learns about US history (I personnaly think I would love seeing such a video with your perspective on it), I would be very happy to help you research it by sending you and translating what our textbooks say about US history, or whatever else you might find interesting, I am sure that a lot of international viewers of your channel would be able to provide great material as well. I could also try to contact some of my old history teachers who I know for a fact speak english, since I'm not a history teacher myself, just a random college student haha.
    Anyway thanks a lot for this video and looking forward to see your future ones !

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +3

      That's a terrific idea, and thanks for offering to help!

    • @BladeEdge86
      @BladeEdge86 2 года назад +1

      Yes, I would to see a video like that.

    • @sorenchemamanapalmito8334
      @sorenchemamanapalmito8334 2 года назад

      @@iammrbeat well thank you haha, if you ever attempt to do such a video (which I have to admit must represent a LOT of work) and ask your audience for help or contacts, I would happily participate and I'm sure a lot of subscribers around the world also would !

    • @albudrow5436
      @albudrow5436 2 года назад +1

      @@iammrbeat looking at history from the other side was always a question in my mind . "history is always written by the victors" may be true but never a satisfactory trope. i will subscribe to your channel in the hopes that i will see such content. a series would be great.

  • @mrschorbastechnologyvideos3729

    Thank you for this!

  • @LegoAssassin098
    @LegoAssassin098 2 года назад

    This was super cool! Would love to see more!

  • @angusb99
    @angusb99 2 года назад +4

    Hey Mr. Beat in my APUSH class we used Out of Many (6th edition, Faragher, Buhle, Citzrom, Armitage). Haven't read it since high school but it got me a 5 on the APUSH test back then. Seek out a copy!

  • @Kairi98503
    @Kairi98503 2 года назад +4

    I went to high-school between 2010 and 2014 and I remember clear as day having an argument with a history teacher about if the civil war was really about states rights or not. And I went to school in the PNW, which is considered more liberal & progressive.

  • @senoreljoynes6442
    @senoreljoynes6442 2 года назад

    The idea of studying history textbooks from different eras is something I wish someone had when I went through history class in high school. Seeing the way academics of different times thought of the same historical events can help to further contextualize the cultural sensibilities of their respective eras. It would be interesting to analyze the way those books were written, what they focused on, what got censored, what didn't get censored, and even, if possible, how students of the time reacted to learning what they were taught. Knowing what was important for people to learn in the past is a great way to recontextualize what we consider important to learn today and how perceptions of the past can change despite the past itself never having changed. This video made me think a lot and I believe it's certainly worth a few rewatches just to be able to consider all of the perspectives that were shown throughout history.

  • @amesstarline5482
    @amesstarline5482 2 года назад +1

    I remember my APUSH class using the American Pageant- While I admittedly didn't read much directly, the omission of some key details is startling, while also helping explain why Grant felt under-explored in that course.

  • @TPChatter
    @TPChatter 2 года назад +6

    Mr Beat, off topic, but I think you know why you made your video about ranked choice voting a few days ago: Andrew Yang and the #YangGang has been actively promoting it on Twitter, maybe other platforms but I mostly just see it on Twitter.
    And now because of you and Andrew, I’m behind the idea!

  • @sfo45
    @sfo45 2 года назад +3

    This is such a great video! I'm going to take APUSH soon, and the textbooks look pretty good. Also, did you teach AP European History at any point of time?

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +1

      Just world history, and thank you!

  • @helicopterharry5101
    @helicopterharry5101 2 года назад

    Really enjoyed this, thanks.

  • @3numa3llis
    @3numa3llis 2 года назад

    I deeply enjoys this close examining of American history artifacts, like textbooks.
    You should do more of it, such as different textbook versions jn different states!

  • @jeffreyault7771
    @jeffreyault7771 2 года назад +26

    Mr. Beat this is such an incredible idea, way to go! I just recently discovered your channel a few weeks ago and have become a huge fan. You briefly referenced Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States, what are your thoughts on that book?

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +13

      Thank you! Zinn's book was a reaction to previous history books and it had a clear agenda, but I still recommend everyone read it.

    • @thunderbird1921
      @thunderbird1921 2 года назад +2

      I've read some of his materials myself, Zinn has some good points, but as Mr. Beat said in his response before me, be warned that it too is a biased view with an agenda. I really don't like how Zinn leaves out some important details and sort of twists other ones to fit his narrative. The best way to learn history is to research thoroughly yourself whenever you can.

  • @MrSkeltal268
    @MrSkeltal268 2 года назад +9

    Mr Beat! You know what topic I’d love to hear your thoughts on? The brief time before 1776 when other colonies of Britain considered but ultimately ended up not joining the war for independence, and the population differences (French vs English) and military presence of Britain in what would be known as Canada pretty much stamping out support for independence there.

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +1

      Great idea!

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Год назад

      And don't forget the French and Indian War. Many Americans don't understand that it was basically just a sideshow of the Seven Years War.

  • @mikesandate3222
    @mikesandate3222 2 года назад

    Awesome topic and execution!

  • @sleekoduck
    @sleekoduck Год назад

    A good teacher and taking good notes makes a huge difference. When I took APUSH in high school, I left both of my textbooks in my locker for just about the entire school year. I still managed to score a 5 on the AP exam.

  • @dropoutst0ner
    @dropoutst0ner 2 года назад +3

    the states rights thing with slavery and it being blamed on economics is very common in the southeastern US. i grew up in east tennessee and i only heard states right in school until high school where i heard the economics thing. it’s about the states rights to make slavery legal or not and about the economics value of having free slave labor. i think most everyone can agree slavery is one of the most disgusting and deplorable things the US and the rest of the world has ever participated in but it’s insane that all the ignorant people who only get info from facebook and the stuff they remember from high school and earlier will never truly understand this

  • @rileylyons1374
    @rileylyons1374 2 года назад +3

    Another great video

  • @jackiepollard3843
    @jackiepollard3843 2 года назад +2

    Omg, you remind me of shades of my dad!! History teacher, obviously passionate about history and what and how things are covered...my dad, rip, was a high school history teacher in 🇨🇦. Subbed just for that.

  • @warnegoodman
    @warnegoodman Год назад

    Fantastic video, thank you. When I took APUSH in 2006 our class actually used Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States as our primary textbook.

  • @abrahamlincoln937
    @abrahamlincoln937 2 года назад +7

    Mr. Beat, do a video on the 12 major wars in American history, the American Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Mexican-American War, American Civil War, Spanish-American War, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, War in Afghanistan and the Iraq War.

  • @ellasmommy9278
    @ellasmommy9278 2 года назад +3

    Back in the 60s, my mother had a set of encyclopedias that ended in the year 1936. Was actually pretty cool to read.

    • @shrimpflea
      @shrimpflea Год назад +1

      When I was a kid (early 80s) me and my friend found a full encyclopedia set from the 1950s in a dumpster. It was cool to read.

  • @haackermann13
    @haackermann13 2 года назад

    Douglassian here. Neat to see you're basically my neighbor!! Glad you're doing good work ☺️

  • @firecracker3911
    @firecracker3911 2 года назад

    Great job , thanks 👍

  • @pleaseenteraname1103
    @pleaseenteraname1103 2 года назад +9

    Second,Mr.Beat you should do a video on the radical Republicans, and the Federalist Party, I know you briefly talked about in your Alexander Hamilton video and in your presidential election videos but I would like to see a entire video dedicated to it, overall keep up the good work, I think your channel will undoubtedly get bigger as the years go on, maybe by 2024 you’ll hit 1 million subscribers.

    • @abrahamlincoln937
      @abrahamlincoln937 2 года назад +1

      I predict that Mr. Beat will reach 500,000 subscribers by the end of March 2022.

    • @iammrbeat
      @iammrbeat  2 года назад +5

      Those are all wonderful suggestions, and thank you for the encouraging words!

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 2 года назад +2

      @@abrahamlincoln937 wouldn’t doubt it.

    • @abrahamlincoln937
      @abrahamlincoln937 2 года назад +2

      @@pleaseenteraname1103 Agreed because he is already at 489,000 subscribers.

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 2 года назад +2

      @@abrahamlincoln937 by 2023 he’ll probably hit 600,000.

  • @cicibrown5979
    @cicibrown5979 2 года назад +3

    I was born and raised in Wichita! I actually went through high-school in the 90's too and I remember roughly the same amount of these historical topics as you. To be honest I don't feel my textbooks covering near as much of some of the topics as yours.

  • @emmahardesty4330
    @emmahardesty4330 Год назад

    Thanks for this, all very important.